Fucking asshole liberals on one video a while back claimed how dangerous guns are because they and I'm paraphrasing but it's pretty damn close "The one guy there who had a gun admitted he almost shot other people because he didn't know what was going on. These conservatives who want everyone and their mother to have a gun are nuts". Not until I saw this did I realize he just recognized what was going on and never came close to shooting anyone.
This guy has a good head on his shoulders and is exactly the type of person I WANT to be carrying a gun. Someone should give him a free gun as reward. :)
The heros in this are the people who first grabbed and held down the shooter, not Joe, whose help was surely appreciated, but evidently wasn't necessary. And in not shooting, he surely did himself a big favour, for if he had shot Jarid while he was already being held down, then it'ld be another murder.
Joe nevertheless speaks very well, doesn't claim all of the credit for himself, and so on.
Geraldo Rivera, however, speaks like a jerk; not in everything, but in much of what he said.
This young man is wise beyond his years. He is a shining example of a law abiding citizen with a gun. His split second decision is admirable and his compassion toward everyone involved is amazing. A first class hero.... his parents must be proud.
Californians need to fight to lighten up gun laws, we need new Concealed carry law that would allow any trained law abiding citizen to obtain a cpl. and open carry should be changed to permit guns to be carried loaded.
@ABGAN100 - No...what we need is to ban all unnecessary laws that restrict the right of eligible citizens to own and carry guns: open carry or concealed. We also need to put the breaks on over-zealous policemen who are abusive: make them PERSONALLY liable WHEN THEY OVERSTEP THEIR AUTHORITY.
@NoMAIG Sigh. When did I ever say anything about publshing the names of people who DON'T own firearms?
To your second point, what happened to guns deterring bad guys from breaking into your house? You don't want the criminals to know that you're packing heat and think twice about breaking into your place?
So, on the one hand, it's "common sense" for criminals to not know your packing heat, and on the other, it's also a deterrent if they do know.
@NoMAIG And besides, what's the problem with having firearms records being public information. Aren't the gun nuts of the country the ones who argue that gun owners are responsible, law-abiding citizens who just want to exercise their constitutional rights (TM)? Why is it a problem if we know who's packing heat? You guys have something to hide?
@JRserver That's a violation of the 4th Amendment, that's why. Are you suggesting all law abiding citizens should be happy to submit to unwarranted searches?
@BenjaminStreifel No, I'm suggesting that you don't get to fly under the radar if you want to proclaim yourself a "law-abiding citizen who just wants to exercise his first amendment rights" (TM).
@JRserver You're anonymously writing this on the internet, using your 1st amendment rights. I am not aware of a list of your personal info because you chose to exercise that right.
@BenjaminStreifel Exactly, which is why when I jump through you're computer screen and attack you, you'll wish I were disclosing that kind of info (Yes, I am being facetious about the first part.)
@JRserver As for you attacking me (through the computer screen, of course), I'm not worried about your SSN or address...I'm a concealed carry license holder.
@BenjaminStreifel Apparantly my point went over your head. What I was trying to say is that I don't pose any kind of legitimate threat to you on a YouTube thread. My next door neighbor with six guns, a drinking problem, and a cheating wife who was just laid off at the cement factory on the other hand....
Interesting how often gun owners feel the need to remind people that they own firearms and will not hesitate to blow your head off every time any talk of gun regulation is brought up?
@JRserver I must have missed something. It is public record that ANY law abiding man or woman can own a firearm. As far as who has a CCPP that is no ones biz but the person that carries it. And the term is not gun nut it is shooting enthusiest. Shooting is an olympic sport you know. If a golfer has three sets of clubs is he a golf nut. And further who cares. It is not the law abiding you need to worry about.
@Sigp229TRT It becomes my business when said CCW permit holder sticks a gun in my face thinking I'm a madman. And this situation perfectly demonstrates that being concerned about the law abiding carrying guns in public is a legitimate concern.
@JRserver The term is for uneducated clowns and has no place with the educated. You are not educated on this subject. I have an issue with ANYONE CCW holder or not sticking a gun in my face. I tend to worry about Criminals not the law abiding. The article shows that the law abidng gun owner, was well aware of the situation and never drew his handgun. The nut that did the shooting is just that a nut. LAWS do not stop nuts now do they. They simply reduce the rest to sheep status.
@JRserver I see you are a whole 24 years old. Still in the liberal part of life. Not to insult but go learn something about this subject then come find me. At this point you are way out of you're league Sonny.
@NoMAIG Ok. How 'bout this? Criminals start carrying automatic weapons to fight back against CCW permit holders. Do you want the streets to be full of people carrying live, loaded, fully automatic weapons at all times?
@JRserver The 'slippery slope' argument is rarely a good one. Why not take it to its logical conclusion and assume everyone would start packing small nuclear devices? Is that what you want, full scale nuclear war in line for the grocery store?!
@BenjaminStreifel I have made that argument before, and yes, I HAVE encountered people who claim that they are Constitutionally entitled to own nuclear weapons.
In any case, the fully automatic argument is perfectly reasonable. The NRA and other gun rights organization have made it perfectly clear that they believe it's everyone's right to own fully automatic weapons. And, if the bad guys get to have them, why can't we? Cuz, if the bad guys don't have to obey the law, why should we?
@JRserver Fully automatic weapons ARE legal to own in many places...look up the national firearms act on wikipedia (you can read the actual NFA text if you don't like wiki). And your last question makes very little sense.
As for people thinking they have the right to nuclear weapons...NAMBLA believes man-boy love is OK, but we don't have to agree to that do we?
@BenjaminStreifel To the second point, these are the quote unquote "responsible, law-abiding citizens" of this country who make such points. These are the people who think that any and all regulation of firearms is government tyranny. These are the people who form militias and blow up federal buildings because they can't have the weapons they want.
And these are the people who, if we had the firearms regulation we ought to, would be determined legally insane if they tried to get a gun.
@JRserver I would agree that insane people blow up buildings with bombs because they aren't allowed to have bombs. Would you also agree that the same legally insane people are already banned from purchasing or owning firearms? The NRA supported the NICS and ATF form 4473 when it came out...
@BenjaminStreifel I was jokingly referring to you attacking me..this youtube video is about a CCW holder. If you feel your imaginary neighbor is a danger to himself and others, why don't you get involved instead of waiting for something terrible to happen? Would you feel at all responsible if you knew something bad could happen but did nothing to stop it?
@JRserver Take it from me, I am European, and I know something about government tyranny! The only insane people in America are the ones who even talk about gun control! I came from France 40 years ago, I have been a responsible and tax paying naturalized USA citizen, and I am not going to France because our politicians have a mentality like yours! You are the one who need his head examined! Vous etes le roi des cons, mon pauvre ami!
@JRserver No murder with any other weapon is rampent so is every other crime since EU is full of silly laws. I have good friends living in Germany I hear about what goes on in the EU daily. Crime is rampant among the EU sheep!!!!!!!!!!
@JRserver What have you been smoking? In Italy, they simply cut your throat in a dark corner and buy off the politicians to cover it up. That's what they call "getting whacked". Besides, ask the Jewish people of Europe how safe it has been for them over there. Cornuto!
@twombonu Isn't Switzerland considered one of the least violent countries in the world. Don't most if not all Swiss homes have at least one fully automatic weapon with ammo readliy available? Here in the US most gun and violent crime happen in regions with the stirctist gun laws. Kind of makes you go hmmmmmm.
@NoMAIG He didn't help subdue the guy, he was already subdued when he got there. He didn't exercise sound judgement, he only reletend from killing the guy when his mistake was pointed out to him, which he himself has never denied.
I'll never join the ranks of gun nuts who want to solve all the world's ills with bullets.
@NoMAIG In any case, you're ignoring the fact that this guy with a CCW permit DID almost add one more person to the body count, that he himself has never denied how close he was to pulling the trigger, and how lucky he was that his mistake was pointed out to him in time. If the best thing you have to argue for the safety of Concealed Carry is that luck was enough to safe the CCW permit holder in this incident from killing the wrong guy, you might as well give it up.
@NoMAIG And I assume that you have some God-given skill to peer through your computer screen at me and determine what I do and don't know about concealed carry. I give that claim about as much credit as the notion that I'm supposed to feel comfortable with your ability to pack heat in public because you can boast about what a great shot you are on a YouTube thread.
Can someone please explain to me how this guy who only showed up AFTER Loughner was subdued and disarmed and who almost killed the wrong guy has earned the title of "Hero"? Did I miss something? As far as I can tell, that's how things went down that day, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like the guy who actually took Loughner's gun away - the guy who almost got his head blown off by this guy - deserves the title of hero far more and I haven't seen him on the news yet.
@J3rEmY17 Maybe, mabye not. The problem with your logic is that it assumes that there is one foreseeable outcome to a CCW permit holder being present during an act of gun violence, and as this event clearly demonstrates, there are ways events may or may not have unfolded and not all of them good. You'd probably also be singing a different tune had this gentleman not realized his mistake in time and pulled the trigger.
@JRserver Yeah maybe but you could just as easily argue that he could have got there earlier and maybe killed the shooter before he harmed more people. What if the people being shot at didn't have the courage to restrain him what then. I'd rather take the chance of having the accident and subsequent death of one person vs not having the capability to stop violent shootings that kill multiple people at one time.
@J3rEmY17 "I'd rather take the chance of having the accident and subsequent death of one person vs not having the capability to stop violent shootings that kill multiple people at one time."
I'm sure the gentlemen who Zamudio mistook for the shooter and nearly blew away would be in total agreement with you on that point. I find it interesting that when I raise this issue, CCW supporters seem to support a certain level of human sacrifice if it means they get to pack heat in public.
@JRserver So you would rather see multiple people die than one person? Of course that one person would disagree but only because the accident happened to them thats human nature. Why are you mad at Zamudio, there is a big difference between almost and did, when it comes down to it this is a perfect example of CCW permit holders helping other people rather than harm. Tell me cops havent accidentally pulled a gun on an innocent person. What makes a cop so different from you other than a badge.
@J3rEmY17 How is this "a perfect example of CCW permit holders helping other people rather than harm"? The dude didn't do squat. Loughner was already disarmed and face down on the pavement by the time he showed up. All he did was draw his weapon and point it at the wrong guy. How does that argue for the efficacy of CCW permits?
@J3rEmY17 What makes a cop so different from us other than a badge? Oh, let's see. They're trained to go up against guys like Loughner, for one. They deal with this kind of situation on a regular basis and are, therefore, better equipped to hand the stress of the situation than people who have never been in a gun fight and have never trained to be in one, for another. A cop is also likely to be wearing a uniform, which makes it easier to tell him apart from the actual shooter.
@J3rEmY17 You're right, it is human nature. Would you be making this argument if Zamudio had stuck a gun in your face and nearly killed you because he thought you were the shooter?
@J3rEmY17 And no, my friend, there is not a BIG difference between what Zamudio did and what he didn't do, there's about a quarter of inch between them. He himself has said he was ready to kill the guy and only stopped when the others pointed out his mistake to him. Imagine if they had been just a bit more preoccupied with Loughner and didn't pick up on Zamudio's mistake until it was too late?
@J3rEmY17 Aside from the fact that he appears to be riding on a gravy train of heroism that he doesn't belong on, I'm not "mad at Zamudio" per se. I'm just pointing out the obvious - he made a mistake in a chaotic situation, he was fortunately alerted of his mistake before he went any further, but that doesn't change the fact that he could've compounded the tragedy and that he, by his own admission, was ready to pull the trigger. This incident serves as an example of the many problems with CCW.
@JRserver You didn't answer my question about the difference between regular people and the police but I'll give you the answer a uniform and a badge thats the difference. I would be ready shoot someone too if it were me, doesnt mean I would shoot the next person I see. Your argument is based off what "could've" happened but Zamudio didn't shoot anyone, he could have but he didn't. He was stopped by the police before the shooting he "could've" been arrested then but he wasn't so whats you point.
@J3rEmY17 So, apparently the training and daily experience dealing with crime and gun violence as well as being far more accustomed to the psychological side of gun violence that I addressed in my comment doesn't count as a difference between the police and the laymen?
@J3rEmY17 My point is that Zamudio was, in his own words, damn lucky that he didn't pull the trigger. Not exercising sound judgement, just damn lucky. And when the only thing to have prevented a CCW permit holder from escalating the body count artificially is luck, that does little to instill confidence that Concealed Carry is a good idea. To the contrary, it demonstrates what a bad idea it is, since you cannot tell me that the same amount of sheer luck will occur again with someone else.
@JRserver You still won't answer my question of what keeps police officers from accidentally shooting an innocent person what makes you think that it is safer to let a police officer carry guns but letting average people carry guns is just to dangerous and could get people killed. We have cases of police brutality more often than I am comfortable with yet you trust them more than your neighbor that doesn't make sense.
@JRserver That does not answer my question at all it just tells me CCW is a bad idea but Cops carry guns all the time and you no doubt see that as a good thing but I have stated that the only difference between you, me and a cop is that a cop has a badge what kind of difference like that makes it safer for people to let him carry gun in public but not you or me?
@J3rEmY17 Um, yeah it does. Cops are trained, you're not. Cops deal with this situation regularly, you don't.Cops are far more prepared to not fall apart under the psychologial stress of a gun fight, you're not. You said tell you how cops are different from you besides a badege and a uniform, that's three differences.
@JRserver Yet they still make mistakes and you can live with that "human sacrifice" but your not alright with a regular person who still has to have some documented firearms training to get a CCW, a little hypocritical don't you think. Not to mention I know of a person in my town who is trying to become a cop who has done and sold drugs, of course I have no proof. A cop is just as human as you and just as likely to make a mistake, which is why I protect myself instead of relying on cops.
@J3rEmY17 No, not really. That's kind of like saying that I'm being hypocritical for preferring a surgeon to perform open heart sugery on me than Dr. Dre. Or that I prefer the military to defend the United States over the laymen.
@JRserver Whatever I am done arguing I will support CCW permit holders and the right to defend oneself with a firearm and all you have done is try to refute my points without offering any of your own, so... goodbye.
@JRserver That is utter bullshit, if he would have been there any sooner, or some of those other courageous men that stepped in would have been carrying, alot more lives could have been saved! You are naive to think that good, moral citizens should not have the right to carry firearms. He did the right thing period. Why dont you just imagine what else might have happened if none of those men stepped in, how many more lives would have been lost?
@Fluentmotion I've got nothing against firearms ownership, in and of itself. I am against people packing heat in public where they might put two in me or someone else. Basically, if you want to own a gun, that's fine with me. All I ask is that you keep me out of it. And since Concealed Carry means that I am involved in your gun ownership, that's not gonna work for me.
And again, how did he do the right thing when he didn't do a damn thing except nearly escalate the body count?
@J3rEmY17 In any case, your point fails to demonstrate how this gentleman who almost added one more person to the body count that day has earned the titled of hero when he did virtually nothing to contribute to the disarming of Jared Loughner, and indeed, did nothing BUT almost compound the tragedy. This may come as a shock, but the act of carrying a live firearm, in and of itself, is not an act of heroism.
The Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner was a left-wing pothead. In order for a true mental illness to be diagnosed one must be clean for two years for brain chemistry to normalize enough for a proper diagnosis. The left is trying to blame it entirely on mental illness now that it has been established that he was a liberal. (see my About Me for link)
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At first the left not only blamed Palin & Beck for the shooting but campaigned to revoke Palin’s right to freedom of speech.
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We're mourning the loss of six in Az shooting. Just imagine if that crap crossed the border.
Who the hell criticizes this dude? Is somebody saying he did something wrong. I think he did a great job. He has a level head, and a heart, apparently. This has been harrowing for all the witnesses/victims.
Zamudio is the most likely suspect. He is the only one on scene who matches the shooters 911 description wearing a black hoodie and running away from the scene towards the walgreens. There is no witness who saw Jared with a gun at any point. Also, the police records indicate Jared was a victim of identity theft so anyone could have registered a gun under his name.
Except for the fact that the FBI, ATF, and TSD have video surveillance from several local facilities showing Loughner as well as eyewitnesses saying it was Jared not this heroic man. stfu
What a stretch but I love it. Verify info & robocall Alex Jones' followers. On line weekly series called Zamudio & Prison Planet: Season 1 Joe Grows up/learns to address everyone as SIR (from Geraldo to Maddow) starring Justin Bieber & that faggot from Glee).Dark Horse graphic novel by Frank Miller. Tucson Sin City 4 (Jessica Alba does Safeway). Then a FOX series Joe Glocks 'em all in Prison Break II costarring KIEFER SUTHERLAND as dad. Video game: 33 Round Magazine for Wii. PS3
@RandomConcepts You talking about small minds, that's funny... Let's be clear... Jackasses like you humor me, I was not offended. I'm not "small minded" enough for that to happen.
@19996669991 Perhaps it's F----d Up, but we created it for us, not for the rest of the world. If it were as ‘bad and F…..d Up as you say, WHY is it the destination of choice for people seeking freedom in all its forms. Europe and Canada are often ‘conciliation prize’ destinations for those not directly admitted here. WHY is the $ U.S. the international currency, Not the Euro, nor the Pound, nor the...... I'll keep it, protect it, .... you don't even need to visit... Won't hurt my feelings
Jared Lee Loughner ADMITS that he was involved with the RIGHT WING PAC Freedom's Defense Fund and had ATTENDED and FOLLOWED Tea Party events and politics.
As a result, the FBI has launched an ancillary investigation of Arizona Tea Party activities.
2 Thumbs up for this guy! That's a real hero, who didn't hesitate getting in the line of fire.. to help out. I like his conviction and bravery. One less citizen we should be afraid of! Great to have around in a life and death situation ! He should be very proud.
2 Thumbs up for this guy! That's a real hero, who didn't hesitate getting in the line of fire.. to help out. I like his conviction and bravery. One less citizen we should be afraid of! Great to have around in a life and death situation ! He should be very proud.
@LockINC I have been a member of the USPSA for 4 years, I shoot about 3 times a month, 1/month competitively, I shoot better than most cops I know, I think my training is good enough. at home its a no brainer, cause then I'm using a 12 gauge shotgun (only 5 shots, but its really hard to miss)
@LockINC thanks. I am definitely not overconfident, this guy in the video is 10x more hero than me, i would have probably run back into the store and called the police. My guns protect ME, and my loved ones. I aint getting shot or causing collateral damage in an attempt to be a hero.
If all of you that believe that we should not own guns, tell me now, that , this guy, if he had been there in time, could not have saved the the life of Christina? TELL ME NOW THAT YOU ARE AGAINST SOMEONE WHO CAN SAVE A 9 YEAR OLD GIRL'S LIFE THAT YOU ARE AGAINST GUNS THAT SAVE LIVES FROM LUNATICS! TELL ME NOW!!!!!!
@RandomConcepts I smoke and CCW. If it's not the liberals bitching about our guns, it's everyone else telling us how to live our lives bitching about smoking. . .
You are being lead to think that more violence is the answer. Is it? Who benefits from all this violence? Hasn't anyone noticed all the shootings over resent years? and how we are never told the truth? They almost seam scripted with only a few changes? We soon forget, and it hatpins again, and again? WHY
I don't know how people can reduce the conversation to politics. This guy did a heroic deed. He gets my respect for that even though we might not share the same political views.
I see lots of comments saying that Joe is a moron and other things by liberals and gun control people, but I did not see any liberals and gun control people running to help the vitcitms and to put a stop to the masacre, all of them where running away from the fire.
So in my humble opinion Joe is a simple man and responsible citizen that ran in to danger to help his fellow man in danger. Call him a nut, a moron, a gun nut or a hero want a be. But I wish we had more joes in society.
@JollySheepDog1 We DO have more Joes in society, Jolly. They just don't have the need to stand out and say, "Look at ME!" You may never even know they are there untill a crisis happens. Most of these Joes already wear a uniform of some sort or another. If they are in regular clothes, you can usually only tell them apart when something explodes and they are running toward the danger instead of away. Wannabe? Yup. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do the right thing when you are able.
fuck zamudio........wanna be hero. "nobody has the right to even think about doing this" he said. what a moronic statement. america can collectively go thru catharsis with this no-brainer good guys/bad guys shooting. just what america needs. a pure no-brainer to unify behind. america the brave!!!!!!!! go yanks!!!!!!!
Loughner had not been formally and legally determined to be mentally incompetent. Do you want your ex-mother in law and neighbor across the street to have the power to limit your rights based on their say-so? This is called due process folks. If Loughner had been adjudicated as mentally incompetent in the proper forum provided for by Arizona law he would not have been able to pass the background check. Is there a nut in your neighborhood? Find out what the applicable laws are and get to work.
Great hero!!!!! He also believes in the right to carry a gun.Probably why he wasn't sitting in the front row with Obama like Daniel Hernandez,another hero
What an amazingly young strong minded man . He gambled his own life in order to lookout for those who were caught up in a horrid unacceptable disaster that took place in my former town until 2007, Tucson, Arizona...
My heart goes out to all of those people who were so innocently caught off guard ...
Geraldo is from an age when you don't hesitate when it comes to putting an animal down, even if he's restrained. This kid is from a time when even an animal has a mother and a chance to be heard.
To all the ASSHOLES that degraded and belittled this man for his actions, you are entitled to your opinion. Now hear mine. This guy has the moral conviction and bearing of the highest order. He seeks no fame or money from his 5 minutes of popularity. He ran into danger to help, knowing a shooting had occurred and did so without regard for his own safety. He expressed a human trait of compassion for those directly affected by the shooting. These are the traits you are sorely lacking.
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so this dude sounds like he cant even read and he is allowed to carry a weapon? Fucking ridiculous, that poor poor little girl and her family are suffering so badly it makes me sick. This is why I say only trained persons should be allowed to bare arms, then again its some what wrong to say that as well, as its an ammendment. Oh well kinda like a lose lose....rip az
What other Constitutional right is threatened by the actions of one lone madman? The Westboro Baptist Church spews their bile at the funerals of our servicemen, yet I don't see Congress passing laws against free speech...do you? No, because their behavior (despicable as it is...) is protected under the 1st Amendment. So why should the 2nd Amendment be treated any differently? Our fundamental freedoms should not be called into question, every time some whack job's cheese slides off his cracker.
@zulucowboy AZ has just passed a law banning protests at funerals and we should be passing laws to prevent mentally ill people from possessing firearms as well
@TheMango121 The background checks are inadequate if Jared Lee Loughner can pass them. Which he did before legally buying his firearm although he was clearly mentally disturbed.
@yablebab Problem is though that he was never dignosed as mentally disturbed. If he wasn't diagnosed how would this information be available to the gun store that allowed him to purchase the firearm?
@yablebab Problem is though that he was never dignosed as mentally disturbed. If he wasn't diagnosed how would this information be available to the gun store that allowed him to purchase the firearm?
Any unarmed person would sensibly run away, any sensible ARMED man would have done what Joe did. Guns do save lives and if other people had been carrying that day, this tragedy may not have even happened.
"GUNS SALES SOAR.UP TO 60%"..oh how typically patriotic of uneducated-redneck-paranoid-racist-bigoted-homophobic-teabagger reaction..because they are very afraid of getting their guns taken away,you dont need a machine gun to hunt.and what they don't understand drives them crazy and nuts,plain and simple really when you only got a grade 3 education and racist,yes folks,its about racism too,people who never said they were suddenly became racist when obama got in office.and yes i am a "fag",lol
Take heed, all, of the wisdom of John Green, father of 9 y.o. Christina, who has said repeatedly that random acts like these are the necessary price we pay for our liberty, that the alternative, which I take to be tyranny although John has not used that word, would be worse.
For instance, watch?v=FshW-ob110M
The courageous words of this heartbroken father praising freedom, rather than demanding government action, is more important than anything said about Loughner's motives.
nobody care about the murdered of the judge and mr. wheeler...and any comment about why ms. gifford was suscribe at the shutter's you tube channel..and the judge had death treath and the gov. suspended his protection..why?why?why?
@cynthiabaudino: "ms. gifford was suscribe at the shutter's you tube channel"
You mean "shooter's",yes?
Apparently she recognized Loughner was a threat. I speculate that she wanted to keep current on his activities. Which was good security diligence, but a) she might have delegated to a staffer to keep her name out of it and b) it turned out not to be diligent enough.
The vitriol of the "RIGHT" has NOT Helped this situation. I "BLAME THE SHOOTER" but I don't EXCUSE Palin, Hannity, Beck and FatBoy Limbaugh. A good Example is how the Republican Majority has the pending legislation to repeal Healthcare Reform, called specifically the "Job-Killing Health Care Law Act". Why not call it the "Job Ending" or Job Reducing" why use the word "KILLING" in Congressional Legislation? Yes we have 'Freedom of Speech" but we must remember that 'Words Have Consequences'.
Collectivists = people who feel the lives of a few are expendable for the benefit of the state.
Dont be surprised when you see one who looks to exploit the deaths of a few people to help further their political agenda. Since their political philosophy has always ended up in failure, its impossible to sell with logic. So they resort to these tactics to further their agenda.
And remember - if you ever disagree with one of them, you're a racist, sexist, hate-mongering, uneducated, hillbilly.
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Bill Ayers who helped start Obama’s career have actually blown up the White House and Pentagon. watch?v=XkRBTH-eFoM. Van Jones, Obama’s former Green Jobs Czar wants a revolution to bring down capitalism. watch?v=4ZYPZP14XWY Chilling Video: Openly Rooting for Revolution, The Left Calls For American Civil Unrest watch?v=7Flv_sCxUek
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Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”; Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish our enemies.”; Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”;
Fucking asshole liberals on one video a while back claimed how dangerous guns are because they and I'm paraphrasing but it's pretty damn close "The one guy there who had a gun admitted he almost shot other people because he didn't know what was going on. These conservatives who want everyone and their mother to have a gun are nuts". Not until I saw this did I realize he just recognized what was going on and never came close to shooting anyone.
PatriotNotGovernment 1 month ago
This guy has a good head on his shoulders and is exactly the type of person I WANT to be carrying a gun. Someone should give him a free gun as reward. :)
RichfromNH 3 months ago
The heros in this are the people who first grabbed and held down the shooter, not Joe, whose help was surely appreciated, but evidently wasn't necessary. And in not shooting, he surely did himself a big favour, for if he had shot Jarid while he was already being held down, then it'ld be another murder.
Joe nevertheless speaks very well, doesn't claim all of the credit for himself, and so on.
Geraldo Rivera, however, speaks like a jerk; not in everything, but in much of what he said.
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brokenjwtimemachinwa 6 months ago
This young man is wise beyond his years. He is a shining example of a law abiding citizen with a gun. His split second decision is admirable and his compassion toward everyone involved is amazing. A first class hero.... his parents must be proud.
nerblebun 6 months ago 11
Buy the lie or buy the Bible,
Serve God or serve your elected officials.
theeinfo 8 months ago
@theeinfo Great comment
58fenix 3 months ago
When seconds count, I'd conceal or open carry.
Cops are not obligated to save your life in a life & death situation.
wellingtonian 9 months ago
break that fucker's arm!
EvolvedParadigm 9 months ago
Californians need to fight to lighten up gun laws, we need new Concealed carry law that would allow any trained law abiding citizen to obtain a cpl. and open carry should be changed to permit guns to be carried loaded.
ABGAN100 10 months ago
@ABGAN100 - No...what we need is to ban all unnecessary laws that restrict the right of eligible citizens to own and carry guns: open carry or concealed. We also need to put the breaks on over-zealous policemen who are abusive: make them PERSONALLY liable WHEN THEY OVERSTEP THEIR AUTHORITY.
ThePhnxman1 9 months ago
@NoMAIG Sigh. When did I ever say anything about publshing the names of people who DON'T own firearms?
To your second point, what happened to guns deterring bad guys from breaking into your house? You don't want the criminals to know that you're packing heat and think twice about breaking into your place?
So, on the one hand, it's "common sense" for criminals to not know your packing heat, and on the other, it's also a deterrent if they do know.
Can't have it both ways, friend. Pick one
JRserver 10 months ago
@NoMAIG And besides, what's the problem with having firearms records being public information. Aren't the gun nuts of the country the ones who argue that gun owners are responsible, law-abiding citizens who just want to exercise their constitutional rights (TM)? Why is it a problem if we know who's packing heat? You guys have something to hide?
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver That's a violation of the 4th Amendment, that's why. Are you suggesting all law abiding citizens should be happy to submit to unwarranted searches?
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel No, I'm suggesting that you don't get to fly under the radar if you want to proclaim yourself a "law-abiding citizen who just wants to exercise his first amendment rights" (TM).
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver You're anonymously writing this on the internet, using your 1st amendment rights. I am not aware of a list of your personal info because you chose to exercise that right.
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel Exactly, which is why when I jump through you're computer screen and attack you, you'll wish I were disclosing that kind of info (Yes, I am being facetious about the first part.)
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver As for you attacking me (through the computer screen, of course), I'm not worried about your SSN or address...I'm a concealed carry license holder.
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel Apparantly my point went over your head. What I was trying to say is that I don't pose any kind of legitimate threat to you on a YouTube thread. My next door neighbor with six guns, a drinking problem, and a cheating wife who was just laid off at the cement factory on the other hand....
Interesting how often gun owners feel the need to remind people that they own firearms and will not hesitate to blow your head off every time any talk of gun regulation is brought up?
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver I must have missed something. It is public record that ANY law abiding man or woman can own a firearm. As far as who has a CCPP that is no ones biz but the person that carries it. And the term is not gun nut it is shooting enthusiest. Shooting is an olympic sport you know. If a golfer has three sets of clubs is he a golf nut. And further who cares. It is not the law abiding you need to worry about.
Shoot,Move................Live!!!
Sigp229TRT 8 months ago
@Sigp229TRT It becomes my business when said CCW permit holder sticks a gun in my face thinking I'm a madman. And this situation perfectly demonstrates that being concerned about the law abiding carrying guns in public is a legitimate concern.
The term gun nut is correct.
JRserver 8 months ago
@JRserver The term is for uneducated clowns and has no place with the educated. You are not educated on this subject. I have an issue with ANYONE CCW holder or not sticking a gun in my face. I tend to worry about Criminals not the law abiding. The article shows that the law abidng gun owner, was well aware of the situation and never drew his handgun. The nut that did the shooting is just that a nut. LAWS do not stop nuts now do they. They simply reduce the rest to sheep status.
Sigp229TRT 8 months ago 4
@JRserver I see you are a whole 24 years old. Still in the liberal part of life. Not to insult but go learn something about this subject then come find me. At this point you are way out of you're league Sonny.
SIGP229TRT
Sigp229TRT 8 months ago
@NoMAIG Ok. How 'bout this? Criminals start carrying automatic weapons to fight back against CCW permit holders. Do you want the streets to be full of people carrying live, loaded, fully automatic weapons at all times?
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver The 'slippery slope' argument is rarely a good one. Why not take it to its logical conclusion and assume everyone would start packing small nuclear devices? Is that what you want, full scale nuclear war in line for the grocery store?!
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel I have made that argument before, and yes, I HAVE encountered people who claim that they are Constitutionally entitled to own nuclear weapons.
In any case, the fully automatic argument is perfectly reasonable. The NRA and other gun rights organization have made it perfectly clear that they believe it's everyone's right to own fully automatic weapons. And, if the bad guys get to have them, why can't we? Cuz, if the bad guys don't have to obey the law, why should we?
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver Fully automatic weapons ARE legal to own in many places...look up the national firearms act on wikipedia (you can read the actual NFA text if you don't like wiki). And your last question makes very little sense.
As for people thinking they have the right to nuclear weapons...NAMBLA believes man-boy love is OK, but we don't have to agree to that do we?
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel To the first point, that doesn't make it a good idea, simply because of the greater potential for collateral damage.
JRserver 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel To the second point, these are the quote unquote "responsible, law-abiding citizens" of this country who make such points. These are the people who think that any and all regulation of firearms is government tyranny. These are the people who form militias and blow up federal buildings because they can't have the weapons they want.
And these are the people who, if we had the firearms regulation we ought to, would be determined legally insane if they tried to get a gun.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver I would agree that insane people blow up buildings with bombs because they aren't allowed to have bombs. Would you also agree that the same legally insane people are already banned from purchasing or owning firearms? The NRA supported the NICS and ATF form 4473 when it came out...
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel I was jokingly referring to you attacking me..this youtube video is about a CCW holder. If you feel your imaginary neighbor is a danger to himself and others, why don't you get involved instead of waiting for something terrible to happen? Would you feel at all responsible if you knew something bad could happen but did nothing to stop it?
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@BenjaminStreifel ha, responded to my own post.
BenjaminStreifel 10 months ago
@JRserver Take it from me, I am European, and I know something about government tyranny! The only insane people in America are the ones who even talk about gun control! I came from France 40 years ago, I have been a responsible and tax paying naturalized USA citizen, and I am not going to France because our politicians have a mentality like yours! You are the one who need his head examined! Vous etes le roi des cons, mon pauvre ami!
twombonu 9 months ago
@twombonu Take it from me, I lived in Italy for five years, so I know as well as anyone that the murder in Europe is near non-existant.
JRserver 8 months ago
@JRserver No murder with any other weapon is rampent so is every other crime since EU is full of silly laws. I have good friends living in Germany I hear about what goes on in the EU daily. Crime is rampant among the EU sheep!!!!!!!!!!
Sigp229TRT 8 months ago
@JRserver What have you been smoking? In Italy, they simply cut your throat in a dark corner and buy off the politicians to cover it up. That's what they call "getting whacked". Besides, ask the Jewish people of Europe how safe it has been for them over there. Cornuto!
twombonu 8 months ago
@twombonu (see previous comment.)
JRserver 8 months ago
@twombonu Good on you brother. I am from Canada, and plan moving to usa
TheIronicBanana 8 months ago
@twombonu Isn't Switzerland considered one of the least violent countries in the world. Don't most if not all Swiss homes have at least one fully automatic weapon with ammo readliy available? Here in the US most gun and violent crime happen in regions with the stirctist gun laws. Kind of makes you go hmmmmmm.
Robbob9933 1 week ago
@NoMAIG .............You. Are. An. Idiot.
JRserver 10 months ago
@NoMAIG He didn't help subdue the guy, he was already subdued when he got there. He didn't exercise sound judgement, he only reletend from killing the guy when his mistake was pointed out to him, which he himself has never denied.
I'll never join the ranks of gun nuts who want to solve all the world's ills with bullets.
JRserver 10 months ago
@NoMAIG And I'm STILL waiting to hear how he is a "hero" for nearly killing the wrong guy.
JRserver 10 months ago
@NoMAIG In any case, you're ignoring the fact that this guy with a CCW permit DID almost add one more person to the body count, that he himself has never denied how close he was to pulling the trigger, and how lucky he was that his mistake was pointed out to him in time. If the best thing you have to argue for the safety of Concealed Carry is that luck was enough to safe the CCW permit holder in this incident from killing the wrong guy, you might as well give it up.
JRserver 10 months ago
@NoMAIG And I assume that you have some God-given skill to peer through your computer screen at me and determine what I do and don't know about concealed carry. I give that claim about as much credit as the notion that I'm supposed to feel comfortable with your ability to pack heat in public because you can boast about what a great shot you are on a YouTube thread.
JRserver 10 months ago
Fox News = F*ck's Propaganda
This Interview = little of the candid news they do.
It still doesn't make it any less horrible what happened, or any less impressive that he took such a heroic action.
Mortablunt 10 months ago
Fox News = F*ck's Propaganda
This Interview = little of the candid news they do.
Mortablunt 10 months ago
Can someone please explain to me how this guy who only showed up AFTER Loughner was subdued and disarmed and who almost killed the wrong guy has earned the title of "Hero"? Did I miss something? As far as I can tell, that's how things went down that day, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like the guy who actually took Loughner's gun away - the guy who almost got his head blown off by this guy - deserves the title of hero far more and I haven't seen him on the news yet.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver Had that guy been there one minute earlier you would be singing a different tune.
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 Maybe, mabye not. The problem with your logic is that it assumes that there is one foreseeable outcome to a CCW permit holder being present during an act of gun violence, and as this event clearly demonstrates, there are ways events may or may not have unfolded and not all of them good. You'd probably also be singing a different tune had this gentleman not realized his mistake in time and pulled the trigger.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver Yeah maybe but you could just as easily argue that he could have got there earlier and maybe killed the shooter before he harmed more people. What if the people being shot at didn't have the courage to restrain him what then. I'd rather take the chance of having the accident and subsequent death of one person vs not having the capability to stop violent shootings that kill multiple people at one time.
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 "I'd rather take the chance of having the accident and subsequent death of one person vs not having the capability to stop violent shootings that kill multiple people at one time."
I'm sure the gentlemen who Zamudio mistook for the shooter and nearly blew away would be in total agreement with you on that point. I find it interesting that when I raise this issue, CCW supporters seem to support a certain level of human sacrifice if it means they get to pack heat in public.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver So you would rather see multiple people die than one person? Of course that one person would disagree but only because the accident happened to them thats human nature. Why are you mad at Zamudio, there is a big difference between almost and did, when it comes down to it this is a perfect example of CCW permit holders helping other people rather than harm. Tell me cops havent accidentally pulled a gun on an innocent person. What makes a cop so different from you other than a badge.
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 How is this "a perfect example of CCW permit holders helping other people rather than harm"? The dude didn't do squat. Loughner was already disarmed and face down on the pavement by the time he showed up. All he did was draw his weapon and point it at the wrong guy. How does that argue for the efficacy of CCW permits?
JRserver 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 What makes a cop so different from us other than a badge? Oh, let's see. They're trained to go up against guys like Loughner, for one. They deal with this kind of situation on a regular basis and are, therefore, better equipped to hand the stress of the situation than people who have never been in a gun fight and have never trained to be in one, for another. A cop is also likely to be wearing a uniform, which makes it easier to tell him apart from the actual shooter.
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@J3rEmY17 You're right, it is human nature. Would you be making this argument if Zamudio had stuck a gun in your face and nearly killed you because he thought you were the shooter?
JRserver 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 And no, my friend, there is not a BIG difference between what Zamudio did and what he didn't do, there's about a quarter of inch between them. He himself has said he was ready to kill the guy and only stopped when the others pointed out his mistake to him. Imagine if they had been just a bit more preoccupied with Loughner and didn't pick up on Zamudio's mistake until it was too late?
JRserver 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 Aside from the fact that he appears to be riding on a gravy train of heroism that he doesn't belong on, I'm not "mad at Zamudio" per se. I'm just pointing out the obvious - he made a mistake in a chaotic situation, he was fortunately alerted of his mistake before he went any further, but that doesn't change the fact that he could've compounded the tragedy and that he, by his own admission, was ready to pull the trigger. This incident serves as an example of the many problems with CCW.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver You didn't answer my question about the difference between regular people and the police but I'll give you the answer a uniform and a badge thats the difference. I would be ready shoot someone too if it were me, doesnt mean I would shoot the next person I see. Your argument is based off what "could've" happened but Zamudio didn't shoot anyone, he could have but he didn't. He was stopped by the police before the shooting he "could've" been arrested then but he wasn't so whats you point.
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 So, apparently the training and daily experience dealing with crime and gun violence as well as being far more accustomed to the psychological side of gun violence that I addressed in my comment doesn't count as a difference between the police and the laymen?
JRserver 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 My point is that Zamudio was, in his own words, damn lucky that he didn't pull the trigger. Not exercising sound judgement, just damn lucky. And when the only thing to have prevented a CCW permit holder from escalating the body count artificially is luck, that does little to instill confidence that Concealed Carry is a good idea. To the contrary, it demonstrates what a bad idea it is, since you cannot tell me that the same amount of sheer luck will occur again with someone else.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver You still won't answer my question of what keeps police officers from accidentally shooting an innocent person what makes you think that it is safer to let a police officer carry guns but letting average people carry guns is just to dangerous and could get people killed. We have cases of police brutality more often than I am comfortable with yet you trust them more than your neighbor that doesn't make sense.
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 (see previous comment)
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver That does not answer my question at all it just tells me CCW is a bad idea but Cops carry guns all the time and you no doubt see that as a good thing but I have stated that the only difference between you, me and a cop is that a cop has a badge what kind of difference like that makes it safer for people to let him carry gun in public but not you or me?
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 Um, yeah it does. Cops are trained, you're not. Cops deal with this situation regularly, you don't.Cops are far more prepared to not fall apart under the psychologial stress of a gun fight, you're not. You said tell you how cops are different from you besides a badege and a uniform, that's three differences.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver Yet they still make mistakes and you can live with that "human sacrifice" but your not alright with a regular person who still has to have some documented firearms training to get a CCW, a little hypocritical don't you think. Not to mention I know of a person in my town who is trying to become a cop who has done and sold drugs, of course I have no proof. A cop is just as human as you and just as likely to make a mistake, which is why I protect myself instead of relying on cops.
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 No, not really. That's kind of like saying that I'm being hypocritical for preferring a surgeon to perform open heart sugery on me than Dr. Dre. Or that I prefer the military to defend the United States over the laymen.
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver Whatever I am done arguing I will support CCW permit holders and the right to defend oneself with a firearm and all you have done is try to refute my points without offering any of your own, so... goodbye.
J3rEmY17 10 months ago
@J3rEmY17 To quote Stephen Colbert, I accept your apology. Good day sir!
JRserver 10 months ago
@JRserver That is utter bullshit, if he would have been there any sooner, or some of those other courageous men that stepped in would have been carrying, alot more lives could have been saved! You are naive to think that good, moral citizens should not have the right to carry firearms. He did the right thing period. Why dont you just imagine what else might have happened if none of those men stepped in, how many more lives would have been lost?
Fluentmotion 10 months ago
@Fluentmotion I've got nothing against firearms ownership, in and of itself. I am against people packing heat in public where they might put two in me or someone else. Basically, if you want to own a gun, that's fine with me. All I ask is that you keep me out of it. And since Concealed Carry means that I am involved in your gun ownership, that's not gonna work for me.
And again, how did he do the right thing when he didn't do a damn thing except nearly escalate the body count?
JRserver 10 months ago
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@J3rEmY17 In any case, your point fails to demonstrate how this gentleman who almost added one more person to the body count that day has earned the titled of hero when he did virtually nothing to contribute to the disarming of Jared Loughner, and indeed, did nothing BUT almost compound the tragedy. This may come as a shock, but the act of carrying a live firearm, in and of itself, is not an act of heroism.
JRserver 10 months ago
did he just call him a cool cucumber?
Hazmat0357 10 months ago
BOYCOTT TUCSON AZ THEY KILLED MY DOG SUKI ON 1/5/2011
pimakilledsuki 11 months ago
is he high?
Martinez1887 1 year ago
Where did he get the money to buy the Gun?
WINSTON4747 1 year ago
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The Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner was a left-wing pothead. In order for a true mental illness to be diagnosed one must be clean for two years for brain chemistry to normalize enough for a proper diagnosis. The left is trying to blame it entirely on mental illness now that it has been established that he was a liberal. (see my About Me for link)
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At first the left not only blamed Palin & Beck for the shooting but campaigned to revoke Palin’s right to freedom of speech.
TheModelification 1 year ago 6
@TheModelification i dont think it makes a difference if he was a democrat or if he smokes weed or not. He was a nutcase and that sums it up.
pjicleanair420 1 year ago
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On 12 January 2011, the Mexican government unveiled a new database giving a total of 34,612 people killed over the past four years. This total included suspected drug gang members, members of the security forces as those considered innocent bystanders
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We're mourning the loss of six in Az shooting. Just imagine if that crap crossed the border.
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Allen West 2012
TheModelification 1 year ago 3
Who the hell criticizes this dude? Is somebody saying he did something wrong. I think he did a great job. He has a level head, and a heart, apparently. This has been harrowing for all the witnesses/victims.
wordgrrl71 1 year ago 2
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JayDeeLives 1 year ago
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JayDeeLives 1 year ago
Zamudio is the most likely suspect. He is the only one on scene who matches the shooters 911 description wearing a black hoodie and running away from the scene towards the walgreens. There is no witness who saw Jared with a gun at any point. Also, the police records indicate Jared was a victim of identity theft so anyone could have registered a gun under his name.
okiefreemen 1 year ago
@okiefreemen
Except for the fact that the FBI, ATF, and TSD have video surveillance from several local facilities showing Loughner as well as eyewitnesses saying it was Jared not this heroic man. stfu
Rchayes88 1 year ago
What a stretch but I love it. Verify info & robocall Alex Jones' followers. On line weekly series called Zamudio & Prison Planet: Season 1 Joe Grows up/learns to address everyone as SIR (from Geraldo to Maddow) starring Justin Bieber & that faggot from Glee).Dark Horse graphic novel by Frank Miller. Tucson Sin City 4 (Jessica Alba does Safeway). Then a FOX series Joe Glocks 'em all in Prison Break II costarring KIEFER SUTHERLAND as dad. Video game: 33 Round Magazine for Wii. PS3
eqsmooth 1 year ago
@RandomConcepts You talking about small minds, that's funny... Let's be clear... Jackasses like you humor me, I was not offended. I'm not "small minded" enough for that to happen.
guynearandover 1 year ago
" Shooter shooter !!! ".
That Americans appear ( my impression anyway) to have a colloquialism to describe a murdering gun toting maniac is frightening.
What a fucked up country you have created.
19996669991 1 year ago
@19996669991 Feel free to never visit if you like?
BrownLabRanch 1 year ago 2
@19996669991 Perhaps it's F----d Up, but we created it for us, not for the rest of the world. If it were as ‘bad and F…..d Up as you say, WHY is it the destination of choice for people seeking freedom in all its forms. Europe and Canada are often ‘conciliation prize’ destinations for those not directly admitted here. WHY is the $ U.S. the international currency, Not the Euro, nor the Pound, nor the...... I'll keep it, protect it, .... you don't even need to visit... Won't hurt my feelings
JustAFObserver 1 year ago
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Today the FBI REPORTS-
It was REVEALED during questioning...
Jared Lee Loughner ADMITS that he was involved with the RIGHT WING PAC Freedom's Defense Fund and had ATTENDED and FOLLOWED Tea Party events and politics.
As a result, the FBI has launched an ancillary investigation of Arizona Tea Party activities.
fleiva30 1 year ago
To Geraldo-fog of war.
liveecarbme 1 year ago
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agent1up 1 year ago
Joe Zamudio
Live long and prosper! Pass your love of country and passion for your fellow man on to your yet unborn.
JustAFObserver 1 year ago
Run in the direction of gun fire.Semper Fi dog!
AmanoJyaku71 1 year ago
WHEN IS PEOPLE GONNA LEARN... This is the world that we live in! Bad gus WILL get guns, Good guys need to repel them! Simple as that...
almagoh 1 year ago
2 Thumbs up for this guy! That's a real hero, who didn't hesitate getting in the line of fire.. to help out. I like his conviction and bravery. One less citizen we should be afraid of! Great to have around in a life and death situation ! He should be very proud.
almagoh 1 year ago
2 Thumbs up for this guy! That's a real hero, who didn't hesitate getting in the line of fire.. to help out. I like his conviction and bravery. One less citizen we should be afraid of! Great to have around in a life and death situation ! He should be very proud.
almagoh 1 year ago
Do you Americans feel safe now when people like Joe Zamudio are walking around armed with guns?
rabola55 1 year ago
@rabola55 I feel safe because I carry two handguns with we when I leave the house, I aint afraid of nothing.
bigcountrylolz 1 year ago
@bigcountrylolz Good for you, but if i may b bold to ask, do you feel you have sufficient training to keep you and your loved ones safe?
LockINC 1 year ago
@LockINC I have been a member of the USPSA for 4 years, I shoot about 3 times a month, 1/month competitively, I shoot better than most cops I know, I think my training is good enough. at home its a no brainer, cause then I'm using a 12 gauge shotgun (only 5 shots, but its really hard to miss)
bigcountrylolz 1 year ago
@bigcountrylolz good for you, be confidant in your abilities but not overconfident.
LockINC 1 year ago
@LockINC thanks. I am definitely not overconfident, this guy in the video is 10x more hero than me, i would have probably run back into the store and called the police. My guns protect ME, and my loved ones. I aint getting shot or causing collateral damage in an attempt to be a hero.
bigcountrylolz 1 year ago
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@bigcountrylolz Good for you, but if i may be bold to ask, do you feel you have sufficient training to keep you and your loved ones safe?
LockINC 1 year ago
@rabola55 HELL YEAH!
almagoh 1 year ago
You shitwits calling this guy a nut, a wanna be, and a moron make me like him that much more.
Deke101 1 year ago
If all of you that believe that we should not own guns, tell me now, that , this guy, if he had been there in time, could not have saved the the life of Christina? TELL ME NOW THAT YOU ARE AGAINST SOMEONE WHO CAN SAVE A 9 YEAR OLD GIRL'S LIFE THAT YOU ARE AGAINST GUNS THAT SAVE LIVES FROM LUNATICS! TELL ME NOW!!!!!!
radconserv86 1 year ago 2
@RandomConcepts I smoke and CCW. If it's not the liberals bitching about our guns, it's everyone else telling us how to live our lives bitching about smoking. . .
762Fanatic2 1 year ago 7
You are being lead to think that more violence is the answer. Is it? Who benefits from all this violence? Hasn't anyone noticed all the shootings over resent years? and how we are never told the truth? They almost seam scripted with only a few changes? We soon forget, and it hatpins again, and again? WHY
StigmataBOB1 1 year ago
What would you do - "until the authorities arrive"?
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
I don't know how people can reduce the conversation to politics. This guy did a heroic deed. He gets my respect for that even though we might not share the same political views.
mildseven2006 1 year ago
@RandomConcepts I just knew some jackass make a comment about the cigarettes...
guynearandover 1 year ago
I see lots of comments saying that Joe is a moron and other things by liberals and gun control people, but I did not see any liberals and gun control people running to help the vitcitms and to put a stop to the masacre, all of them where running away from the fire.
So in my humble opinion Joe is a simple man and responsible citizen that ran in to danger to help his fellow man in danger. Call him a nut, a moron, a gun nut or a hero want a be. But I wish we had more joes in society.
JollySheepDog1 1 year ago 3
@JollySheepDog1 That is the best thing I've heard, Jolly. You represent the very people that FOUGHT for our country.
radconserv86 1 year ago
@JollySheepDog1 We DO have more Joes in society, Jolly. They just don't have the need to stand out and say, "Look at ME!" You may never even know they are there untill a crisis happens. Most of these Joes already wear a uniform of some sort or another. If they are in regular clothes, you can usually only tell them apart when something explodes and they are running toward the danger instead of away. Wannabe? Yup. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do the right thing when you are able.
Deke101 1 year ago
fuck zamudio........wanna be hero. "nobody has the right to even think about doing this" he said. what a moronic statement. america can collectively go thru catharsis with this no-brainer good guys/bad guys shooting. just what america needs. a pure no-brainer to unify behind. america the brave!!!!!!!! go yanks!!!!!!!
3rdStoneObliterum 1 year ago
@3rdStoneObliterum go away.
AbqView 1 year ago
@AbqView you go first
3rdStoneObliterum 1 year ago
Loughner had not been formally and legally determined to be mentally incompetent. Do you want your ex-mother in law and neighbor across the street to have the power to limit your rights based on their say-so? This is called due process folks. If Loughner had been adjudicated as mentally incompetent in the proper forum provided for by Arizona law he would not have been able to pass the background check. Is there a nut in your neighborhood? Find out what the applicable laws are and get to work.
ruralguerilla 1 year ago
Moron sounds high as fuck.
nyznicca 1 year ago
@nyznicca What exactly makes him a moron?
thunder2falcon15 1 year ago
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
-Benjamin Franklin
wwwRENEWmyPETcom 1 year ago
@wwwRENEWmyPETcom That is so well said....Ben Franklin...a very wise man.
DramaDon83 1 year ago
Jerry, you are a faggot!
Downfacingdog 1 year ago
Great hero!!!!! He also believes in the right to carry a gun.Probably why he wasn't sitting in the front row with Obama like Daniel Hernandez,another hero
degray55 1 year ago 4
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
iannetta11 1 year ago 2
Respect for Joe. And the others who were so courageous.
Brenda2OOO 1 year ago 5
Joe is a man of amazing maturity, wisdom and courage all in a guy so young. God bless you for your courage and action. May the Lord bless you.
PJ3usa 1 year ago 37
thank God we have great Americans like this kid to help protect us against the nuts in the country
jamsid33 1 year ago 3
There should be a Street named after this guy!
platefullofbacon 1 year ago 2
EPIC AMERICAN
the real deal
Roachenator 1 year ago 6
What an amazingly young strong minded man . He gambled his own life in order to lookout for those who were caught up in a horrid unacceptable disaster that took place in my former town until 2007, Tucson, Arizona...
My heart goes out to all of those people who were so innocently caught off guard ...
~ZZ Scottsdale, AZ
ZaCelebrit 1 year ago
His name forever more shall be "Tucson Joe Zamudio". Epic American.
atlasdaddy 1 year ago 2
Geraldo is from an age when you don't hesitate when it comes to putting an animal down, even if he's restrained. This kid is from a time when even an animal has a mother and a chance to be heard.
Fitzcard 1 year ago 2
Crap !
subtrhs 1 year ago
To all the ASSHOLES that degraded and belittled this man for his actions, you are entitled to your opinion. Now hear mine. This guy has the moral conviction and bearing of the highest order. He seeks no fame or money from his 5 minutes of popularity. He ran into danger to help, knowing a shooting had occurred and did so without regard for his own safety. He expressed a human trait of compassion for those directly affected by the shooting. These are the traits you are sorely lacking.
JAQUEOBAUER 1 year ago 94
@JAQUEOBAUER I could not have said it any better my friend!
flyer54us 1 year ago
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so this dude sounds like he cant even read and he is allowed to carry a weapon? Fucking ridiculous, that poor poor little girl and her family are suffering so badly it makes me sick. This is why I say only trained persons should be allowed to bare arms, then again its some what wrong to say that as well, as its an ammendment. Oh well kinda like a lose lose....rip az
jej0701 1 year ago
What other Constitutional right is threatened by the actions of one lone madman? The Westboro Baptist Church spews their bile at the funerals of our servicemen, yet I don't see Congress passing laws against free speech...do you? No, because their behavior (despicable as it is...) is protected under the 1st Amendment. So why should the 2nd Amendment be treated any differently? Our fundamental freedoms should not be called into question, every time some whack job's cheese slides off his cracker.
zulucowboy 1 year ago 6
@zulucowboy That's the governments answer to every problem MORE government.
Verator 1 year ago
@zulucowboy AZ has just passed a law banning protests at funerals and we should be passing laws to prevent mentally ill people from possessing firearms as well
edition.cnn dot com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/?hpt=C2
yablebab 1 year ago
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They already can't own firearms... U dumb bro? They do a background check.
TheMango121 1 year ago
@TheMango121 The background checks are inadequate if Jared Lee Loughner can pass them. Which he did before legally buying his firearm although he was clearly mentally disturbed.
yablebab 1 year ago
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@yablebab Problem is though that he was never dignosed as mentally disturbed. If he wasn't diagnosed how would this information be available to the gun store that allowed him to purchase the firearm?
SrslyNotAZombie 1 year ago
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@yablebab Problem is though that he was never dignosed as mentally disturbed. If he wasn't diagnosed how would this information be available to the gun store that allowed him to purchase the firearm?
SrslyNotAZombie 1 year ago
@EpicGibson Was there an argument there ? because that was exactly my point.
spliffsperlunk 1 year ago
Joe is a normal great guy!! I will buy him a beer whenever I have a chance to go to Tucson!!
rumormater 1 year ago
Any unarmed person would sensibly run away, any sensible ARMED man would have done what Joe did. Guns do save lives and if other people had been carrying that day, this tragedy may not have even happened.
ostralopithicus 1 year ago
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The shooter was also a responsible gun owner
Wenutz 1 year ago
@Wenutz how can you be a responsible if you murder people? retard!!
shroomingnewman 1 year ago
@Wenutz Your a simple idiot, calling a murderer responsible is like calling a drunk driver who runs someone over responsible.
Please fix the connection between your brain and your keyboard.
spliffsperlunk 1 year ago
geraldo should be rebuked for being an advocate of violence against the mentally ill shame on you geraldo
yomamaizsofatt 1 year ago
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"GUNS SALES SOAR.UP TO 60%"..oh how typically patriotic of uneducated-redneck-paranoid-racist-bigoted-homophobic-teabagger reaction..because they are very afraid of getting their guns taken away,you dont need a machine gun to hunt.and what they don't understand drives them crazy and nuts,plain and simple really when you only got a grade 3 education and racist,yes folks,its about racism too,people who never said they were suddenly became racist when obama got in office.and yes i am a "fag",lol
thatsMYbeef 1 year ago
Take heed, all, of the wisdom of John Green, father of 9 y.o. Christina, who has said repeatedly that random acts like these are the necessary price we pay for our liberty, that the alternative, which I take to be tyranny although John has not used that word, would be worse.
For instance, watch?v=FshW-ob110M
The courageous words of this heartbroken father praising freedom, rather than demanding government action, is more important than anything said about Loughner's motives.
50srefugee 1 year ago
nobody care about the murdered of the judge and mr. wheeler...and any comment about why ms. gifford was suscribe at the shutter's you tube channel..and the judge had death treath and the gov. suspended his protection..why?why?why?
cynthiabaudino 1 year ago
@cynthiabaudino: "ms. gifford was suscribe at the shutter's you tube channel"
You mean "shooter's",yes?
Apparently she recognized Loughner was a threat. I speculate that she wanted to keep current on his activities. Which was good security diligence, but a) she might have delegated to a staffer to keep her name out of it and b) it turned out not to be diligent enough.
50srefugee 1 year ago
I'll gladly live next door to this guy vs a cowardly liberal who wants to disarm law abiding citizens.
staciepaul 1 year ago
I'll gladly live next door to this guy vs a cowered liberal who wants to disarm law abiding citizens.
staciepaul 1 year ago
The Parallax View (1973)
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CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
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The vitriol of the "RIGHT" has NOT Helped this situation. I "BLAME THE SHOOTER" but I don't EXCUSE Palin, Hannity, Beck and FatBoy Limbaugh. A good Example is how the Republican Majority has the pending legislation to repeal Healthcare Reform, called specifically the "Job-Killing Health Care Law Act". Why not call it the "Job Ending" or Job Reducing" why use the word "KILLING" in Congressional Legislation? Yes we have 'Freedom of Speech" but we must remember that 'Words Have Consequences'.
miltona635 1 year ago
Collectivists = people who feel the lives of a few are expendable for the benefit of the state.
Dont be surprised when you see one who looks to exploit the deaths of a few people to help further their political agenda. Since their political philosophy has always ended up in failure, its impossible to sell with logic. So they resort to these tactics to further their agenda.
And remember - if you ever disagree with one of them, you're a racist, sexist, hate-mongering, uneducated, hillbilly.
fargley001 1 year ago
3/3
Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat!”; Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“; Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard!”; Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”; Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun!”; Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
Fashionificationful 1 year ago
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Bill Ayers who helped start Obama’s career have actually blown up the White House and Pentagon. watch?v=XkRBTH-eFoM. Van Jones, Obama’s former Green Jobs Czar wants a revolution to bring down capitalism. watch?v=4ZYPZP14XWY Chilling Video: Openly Rooting for Revolution, The Left Calls For American Civil Unrest watch?v=7Flv_sCxUek
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Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”; Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish our enemies.”; Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”;
Fashionificationful 1 year ago