1) Free-form Adaptive Combat/Street Self-defense Series

[912tennis]

Is Krav maga similar to this ? 

[mattkovsky]

@912tennis Great question. Original Krav was based on simple World War II Close Quarters Combat and was very effecive--to a point. Modern Krav has many variations and no one school may resemble any another. All are based on patterned self defense techniques. Guided Chaos uses enhanced WWII CQC as a beginner's starting point but its main methods use free-form, totally unpatterned fighting focusing on balance, body unity, power, looseness, sensitivity and adaptability. It's much closer to tai chi.

[nozislovenija]

@mattkovsky Krav Maga was NOT based on WWII CQC. It developed before World War II.

[mattkovsky]

@nozislovenija This is a point of contention among authorities with some saying Imi was influenced by Fairbairn and Sykes material while he was developing his own system and others saying it was completely independent. Regardless, overlap did occur and their goals and methods have much in common due to nearly parallel development fighting Nazis and/or enemies of Israel.

[912tennis]

@912tennis

Thanks Matt. I'll have to order some dvds and try guided chaos for myself.

[mattkovsky]

@912tennis Feel free to email us or post anytime with questions on the material. Also look on our website for local GC training groups in your area.

[MrEdium]

AWARENESS, ATTACK THE ATTACKER & RUN. IMPROVISATION - vs - MEMORIZATION. The exercises are really nice for keeping loose and for fitness, which everybody needs. The ALL OUT mindset & the DON'T GRAPPLE concept are what makes it different from MMA. There is NO TIME FOR ANYTHING ELSE. You cannot pace yourself like if you were boxing or sparring, you HIT & RUN. This is a system for the street. Combine MMA with Kali & Ki Chuan Do and you will not go wrong.

[MrEdium]

One of the main differents between MMA & Ki Chuan Do is The MINDSET. The next thing is the concept of awareness. There is no pace, it's ALL OUT AGGRESSION, ATTACK THE ATTACKER MINDSET. You do not have time to do any complicated moves to remember just ATTACK, then RUN. Now the only problem I see is if your a Police Office or just anyone who has to control and not do damage to someone who may be attacking you like a drunk brother or a mental pacient, you still need grappling skills. MMA/KALI/THIS.

[boomslang7]

This looks like yet another video trying to sell a shortcut. There are no secret street fighting styles or moves. Learn how to kickbox, learn how to wrestle, and learn how to grapple. You just have to put in the time. There Are No Shortcuts!!

[mattkovsky]

@boomslang7 This is not a shortcut. This is simply a different way to train and you still have to put in the time.

[boomslang7]

@mattkovsky I feel putting time in learning modern MMA, would be much more beneficial in any kind of fight, street or sanctioned. I would like to see an instructor of this style in a fight with an MMA fighter to see how they would do.

[mattkovsky]

@boomslang7 In a ring? All you have to do is come to one class and participate and you'll see why. Sportive submission fighting is very different from what we do; they are incompatible. Ask one of our BJJ blackbelts. See you soon and draw your own conclusion.

[boomslang7]

@mattkovsky In a ring or on the street, either one. Sure, any classes near MA? Im open to checking things out.

[mattkovsky]

@boomslang7 We have classes in Nanuet NY. Some of our students drive from Boston for Saturday class. Our goals are different than MMA: we train dirty "illegal" moves exclusively and how to counter them. No legal ring in the U.S. would sanction it. if it was in the street it would be for a serious reason and people would wind up with doctors and lawyers. There are methods for seeing how this works without injury; hope to see you.

[survival876]

I have studyed this system, book and dvds and met MR PERKINS and his top people. this system is all they say it is and much more.the drills and mind set have helped me in my work as a doorman.start off with the attack proff book.read it,practice the drills, you may be surprised how this will help your martial practice.

[thecj29]

so this is basically crazy fu

[goodforthemoney]

To billysue don't kid your self just because a man is big does not mean he can not move, or in fact it does not mean he is not healthy, why don't you go to N.Y. and introduce yourself I'm sure they would be happy to accommodate you with a demonstration.

[goodforthemoney]

I work as a cop I think your stuff is great, only wish you had a school in Northern CA. Why waist your time responding to people talking about Bruce Lee a man who has been dead for over thirty years, yeah he was good at what he did but he was by far the best, my training is based on the internal systems and this looks like the end result of putting those systems together for real world combat.In fact any one who criticises this way of movement really knows not what he is talking about.

[mattkovsky]

@goodforthemoney Trying to explain the advantages of internal arts to most people is like trying to describe a bicycle to a fish. Of course the useless esoteric practice of a lot of internal arts doesn't help much. Other than feeling it in person physically there's no way else to get it.

[invinciblekd]

@mattkovsky, i really liked this stuff and know that this is the most practical stuff on the streets, because the principle of UAC as per Fairbairn is the same, the art which can be applied when you are tired, exhausted and minimal in energy. Nice to see this video, My master in India trains in Indian combatives, whose base lies in WW2 combatives !

[Nhia89]

@sewerplantshaman hmm no not really. Size don't really matter if you just gotten your EYES GOUGE OUT

[warriorfire8103]

Can anyone tell me without doubt, this system works? No hype.  You have used it on larger people, not in the gym where it is patty cake? Real world experience. Not class room experience. Something I hate, is wasting time on some gimic.

[Nightwolf866]

Looks like completly terrible Wing Chun...oO

At least they build feeling and formlessness...so it could Work...mayby...

[mattkovsky]

@Nightwolf866 That's because it's not wing chun. My wing chun instructor workout partner who abandoned WC for GC could tell you better. You should really come by and try it, we'd be happy to show you...and you might really like it.

[SkeltonProductions]

I want to learn this, but i also want to learn mma just for sport. In a real life adrenaline situation will guided chaos take over? If im training in both?

[mattkovsky]

@SkeltonProductions You tend to fight the way you train and the goals of the two are completely different. That being said, we have a Gracie black belt on one of our DVDs who is also a 2nd degree in GC and he is devastating (he also took private lessons from John Perkins).

[billysue2]

@mattkovsky that is incredibly unlikely that ablack belt in a decent style would be associated with a beagal like perkins

[mattkovsky]

@billysue2 Come on by and we'll be happy to introduce you. See our Endorsements page for all the black belts, cops, forensic experts, etc who like to learn from the beagle.

[billysue2]

@mattkovsky if i was near you id definitely come by.Ive been training long enough to know that a black belt means nothing regarding effectiveness or knowledge and most are truely useless,likewise cops and forensic experts may know nothing about combat.Every single clip you have on the net is an outrigt joke,it reminds me of systema its that bad.Having a morbidly obese head instructor who can barey move isnt the greatest marketing move either

[mattkovsky]

@billysue2 Where are you located? We have several locations. Cops in Yonkers and NYC have more hand-to-hand experience than most soldiers. It's a forensic expert's *job* to know combat. It is what is.

[mattkovsky]

@mattkovsky BTW we have a school in London.

[nichard71]

It makes me smile watching stuff like this, the comments are just a bonus to add to me laughing at this crap, Bruce Lee would kick your asses

[mattkovsky]

@nichard71 See the JKD instructor under Jerry Poteet who endorses us on the endorsement page.

[TogieTung]

The close contact moves 0:32 looks like Wing Chun.

[mattkovsky]

In response to the video posted above by nbglass: This video is superb and raises excellent points, except that it leaves out one critical concept of true "aliveness": all of the "alive" demos shown are performed in a completely Sportive Context. In a real life-or-death fight (especially the grappling ones) people bite, snap necks, pierce throats, eye-gouge, fish hook, finger break, rip hair, and crush testicles. Alive training should not only free-form this offensively, but defensively as well.

[mattkovsky]

And by the way, Guided Chaos contact flow trains at all speeds, from excruciatingly slow to full speed, and always free-form and unchoreographed.

[HalfCracker4life]

I just recently picked up one of their Attack Proof books & I see that most of the stuff that they do, from my experience in martial arts, would probably end any fight quick. they system is mostly wham bam thank you ma'am.

[ed2276]

How effective is this really? The vid says that real fighting is chaotic and one can't afford to try the complex martial forms; they are ineffective. Yet, I don't see quick, devastating attacks in the training on the vid. There seems to be a lot of soft, blocking techniques going on.

[kempobrad]

i agree. fairbairn applegate...etc etc...where did they get thier skills? asian martial arts.

[mattkovsky]

It's a combination of WWII CQC and internal arts principles. No, they are not incompatible if done right.

[IronFistDemo]

bruce lee said the same thing, good video

[jogobonito1234]

The principles outlined in this video make a lot of sense. Real fights are ugly, chaotic, and unpredictable, but they have *some* typical recurring characteristics, so they can be scientifically studied from a psychological, pysical and tactical point of view.

[Samoobramba]

Best DVD series on realistic Self-defense!

Probably the best self-defense system ever.

[yankerstanker]

PERKINS!!! That's my friends uncle.

[navysealboy62]

Physics and flow is definately important in a fight.

[Shinkyu42]

This program is impressive. Those who are doubters are usually arm chair martial artists at best. It is easy to degrade something while sitting back and drinking their beer. I like it!

[Valclav]

Still not convinced... I heard the same arguments form TMA guys. "oh you don't understand the subtleties...". Well, I've had experience in real violence, not to mention many years of training - so thats what I base my opinions on. I appreciate the offer about popping down to the studio - but I live very very far away. I still think you guys should get some full contact demos up there, it may stop some of the flak.

To quote Carl Sagan "extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof".

[UniversalStandards]

The effectiveness of this system is undeniable when you touch hands with one of us.

Your problem is equating full force/full contact with "uncooperative". I allow people to do whatever they want and its easier when they move full speed. If on tape you still wouldn't know the difference because we're highly skilled at manipulating balance and it looks like a sloppy mess despite their best intentions.

But that's fine if you're not convinced. We're not going to please everybody.

[xxdummyfreshful]

only wish you had a school in the bay area of ca

[skywalkr2000]

As Spiderman says "with great power comes great responsibility" so were not about to throat someone or dislodge their skull and post it on youtube only to prove that we can handle full speed/ full force. Trust me -it's the real deal.

[Valclav]

"real combatives" legends training with us, so where does that leave your opinion?

Unchanged...

Get a demo up on youtube, which is against someone who is trying to knock the crap out of one of your students - ie full contact and power. At the moment all I see are typical fancy moves that will only work against a willing training partner. In short, I see nothing realistic in your clips so far. I will happily change my opinion if I see your system working against a "non-compliant" partner.

[UniversalStandards]

You wouldn't know the difference between them going what you THINK to be "full contact and power" and them being compliant anyway. You'd only know if YOU tried it, and you're welcome to come in and do so. There are so many subtleties that it would take far more space than is available here to explain.

When you feel, (not read) how we apply our movements, things will start making a lot more sense. Generally, if these weren't clips and demos, the conflicts would end a whole lot sooner.;-)

[Valclav]

Hmm... Doesn't look like what Fairbairn and Applegate would advocate if they were still alive. Just looks like more "artsy" nonsense to me.

REAL "Combatives" is the way to go.

[hans421]

When the adrenaline comes, forget about flowy fancy dancy movements.they're gone.You're stiff. Fairbairn knew the answer because he had to fight for his life numerous times.

[arikandel2002]

Well, we've got former long-time students of Carl Cestari, Charlie Nelson, and other "real combatives" legends training with us, so where does that leave your opinion?

[ZenWolfDances]

I've never trained in Ki Chuan Do, but I've read the "Attackproof" book, which says that they use Fairbairn's style to teach the basics (or if the student can't commit to an ongoing course) and layer the movement drills, etc. on top of that.

[recshooter]

Is Systema involved here?

[mattkovsky]

No relation. The looseness looks similar however.

[drmoreirafilho]

Hi. One question. You are one of the autors of the book attack proof. The DVD series can explain more details about the principes exposed in the book? Sorry for the english! I am braziliam and purchase the book via amazon, it is very good! and speak about some things that are considered very advanced in many martial arts like wing chun, tai chi and i chuan!

[mattkovsky]

Glad you found the book useful. Yes, Companion Series Parts 1, 2 and 3 were designed to go along with the book.

[wombatfredman]

This is great stuff...but it is nothing new...Silat, Wing Chun, Kali....they all have similar free flow drills....

This stuff is good though....but I doubt it came from Native Americans or some legendary cop...

It's just stuff drawn from other arts...

[mattkovsky]

As I said in other comments, some of this may look similar to Silat, Wing Chun or Kali but as someone who trained in all 3 I can tell you this is nothing like them. If anything it's closer to tai chi or bagua. We have a very large and very high level wing chun instructor who takes private lessons with John Perkins and several former JKD students in regular classes also.

[wombatfredman]

You guys bashing MMA are not realistic..

The guys in the ring tap out to avoid getting joints and arms broken...

In the street, you would crank the arm until it breaks..

Don't think for one second that MMA guys can't fight in the street

[UniversalStandards]

Yeah, that's if you can get to that point. I think your vision of a fight is the 3'o clock high style duels and going out in back of the garage to wrestle with your buddy. You're dreaming. However, I agree that if circumstances are right, breaking limbs and choking people out are beautiful ways to survive fights.

[philosopher2king]

Firstly, 3 O' Clock High is the best high school movie ever! : )

Secondly, MMA is as realistic as you are going to get without eye-gouging and biting. Most fights end on the ground regardless, those who don't think so have obviously been watching too much TV.

I've only been involved -thankfully- in one street fight as an adult, and my MMA training kicked-in instinctively; I had the assailant in a rear-naked choke in seconds after a take-down. MMA works.

[skywalkr2000]

1)What would have happened if his friends started kicking at your head while you had him choked out? 2)Would you have grappled him if he brandished a knife? 3)your MMA skills diminish quite a bit when you get to be over 50 years old because it greatly relies pon speed and stregnth to make work.

[skywalkr2000]

And what if a crazy bum attacks and he looks like he has T.B. do u want to rear naked choke him?

[UniversalStandards]

Some aspects of MMA are realistic, but many aren't. No one has time in a real fight to set up position a la BJJ to get an armbar.

In addition, you shouldn't be trying to simply emulate a street fight in your training, you should be trying to negate what happens in a street fight with natural human movement which is why this system is superior for realistic conditions.

[UniversalStandards]

BTW, I doubt you had a serious fight as it takes time and is very difficult to choke a seriously resisting attacker. It works against single, unarmed, untrained assailants when you have time. I'm sure you wouldn't purposely do a takedown if it was an overrun situation.

Also, all fights should end on the ground with the key difference being that you beat the assailant unconscious and stand over him when it's over.

We're in agreement on 3 O'clock High however.:-)

[Coads26]

Funny thing is Mma is entertainment. In real life there is no mma gloves, much less rules on striking or "tapping out". Don't get me wrong I enjoy watching it, but I would never for a second think a real life attacker would stop after I tap out =P

[UniversalStandards]

This is true. Gloves do change things considerably. I think MMA striking has the right idea once the parties actually engage and start freely exchanging in an uninhibited manner. The build up to this is not realistic though. Also, grappling is just a poor solution, but it does work in certain arenas very well. Time for new ideas for dealing with the ground.

[mattkovsky]

I trained in JKD for years and was going for apprentice instructor so I'm in a perfect position to judge. This is not JKD. At all.

[Thunderhouse2]

How would your system compare to JKD?

In other words, what do you think about JKD?

[mattkovsky]

JKD is a great, open-minded system that attempts to fill in self-defense gaps when dealing with violent chaos by mastering and combining techniques from 5 to as many as 10 different styles and then dissolving them. Guided Chaos approaches the problem of violent chaos from a different angle by discarding techniques entirely and instead teaching dynamic principles of motion and physics that weaponize any random movement, maximizing adaptation.

[satokun123]

Great concept. You should have one of your students fight a BJJ student (purple belt or higher) and post the vid

[mattkovsky]

We actually have a BJJ blackbelt in our classes (he's a 2nd degree in Guided Chaos). The problem is in a MMA sportive bout you can use full speed and power to achieve a submission (or knockout) and usually (not always) no one is seriously damaged. In GC the object of all training is maiming the attacker...

[mattkovsky]

...When we do free-form contact flow with each other (as opposed to bag work) power and speed is controlled (depending on student's level). We simply don't practice submissions. There is no way to match max speed and power without danger because the objectives are different, unless both were to ratchet it down somewhat to see what happens (which we often do to compare notes).

[gavjof]

Great comment. Everyone forgets that styles have different purposes, and that with some you cannot fully commit with speed and power as a lot of techniques are meant to be seriously disabling to your opponent.

This is why I find the arguments of mma/wc/jkd/etc/ all pointless.

[w4a8n1n1abe]

good stuff,but...Jeet Kune Do by other name,that is what it is.but,it is still good stuff.

[SKYWALKERFITNESS]

These are the best methods for unarmed self defense around today. As a student of John Perkins, my martial abilities are better than I could have imagined even after doing training BJJ, savate and escrima. The high level fighters in the classes are simply amazing!

[Indra420]

brazilian jiujitsu is an excellent martial art, but in reality any martial art is good if you train hard with a good teacher. This style vs style cross talking is actually BS. there is no bad MA, just lazy practicioners who claim to know more than they do. In any real street fight, nobody who wants to hurt or kill you will stop just because you tap out, and you wont have gloves to protect your fists from your own shitty punches. Train kung fu and grappling, maybe you'll live longer

[Coads26]

I liked your comment man. Keeping an open mind and realizing that martial arts in it's essence is a great thing, will take you as far as you want to go.

[pooalley]

some people can fight some cant, i know blackbelts that dont have that "something" about them and theyll get the shit kicked out of them by joe average.if you cant fight, befriend people who can, and dont start trouble you cant handle. Self defence classes are full of people that cant fight..but dont worry if i see any one of you guys getting beat up, ill save you.

[2muchfreetime4irakli]

Jiu-Jitsu works just fine in real life combat. So this whole "martial arts are useless on the street" applies to all other martial arts except Jiu-Jitsu.

[jerryknuck]

They're not saying that all martial arts are useless, they are saying that it is not necessary to learn any particular martial art for self defense. There are aspects of various MA's that are very useful, but the creator of attackproof - John Perkins - has culled what he has found first-hand to be the most directly effective aspects of various fighting systems into one.

[jerryknuck]

2. This is based on his legendary experiences as a Yonkers NY cop assigned to First Response to Violent Crimes in Progress in one of the USA's highest crime neighborhoods. 200 plus documented bloody street battles (and countless undocumented) have given Perkins a little bit of first hand knowledge of what works and what doesn't in Real Life. As for Jiu-Jitsu, it too is useful in some situations, but don't try it against a weapon or multiple attackers.

[Dharma73]

Finally Someone who understands and teaches the reality of combat.

[KSDS671]

very good reality system! attack proof rules!!!

[bajovato]

This style's push hands sparring is about as realistic as it gets. Fights are choatic and unpredictable.

[PLAYER888888888]

Part of the exercises look like chi sau from wing chun which is very good, it shows the validity of the exercise win chun guys do is both useful and effective in street situations...

[MistaGent]

Knowledge is only as good as its practicality. What may work for you may not work someone else. Knowledge can also expire. Being that you and your teacher are experienced in real life fighting; I'm sure you have effective knowledge to pass down. Do not forget, however, that experience and training go hand in hand.

[Shuuchan85]

Surprise,Agression,Speed...Tha­ts the real key!

[kokoro667]

agresion , endurance . is key

[RiseToHonor700]

people have fought and battled since the beginning of time. punching and kicking and grappling are common sense. no "art" is necessary.

[TheOneNo20]

Realy? So you dont think that passing down first hand knowlegde from generation to generation makes sense? My teacher used to be a security professional & has had more than his fare share of fights.I myself have had a few nasty street fights & come out on top.I study Wado Karate & it works for me, it works for real life.10 minuites of expeariance is worth 10 years of study.

[spritsengiggle]

for the street, a concealed weapon that`s not illegal, or doesn`t appear to be a weapon.(pepperspray ring forexample) -for multiple opponents, striking, throwing and grappling. then you can circle, get them in a line, knock out, throw, (knockout, head in pavement), and the wrestling also keeps you from being taken down. great knockout power is the best tool against multiples. full contact sparring is a must. that`s my recipy. :)

[sihingalkan]

also they make chi sau.. very good practical

[buffalo82]

never use grappling in a street fight i did once never again his mate put the boot in and i got my ass kicked you never know who is with the man you are fighting. the vid looks like a loos form of wing chun but i like it looks diffrent good work i like new stuff

[Raging5]

The difference between MMA and Defensive tactics is that MMA is a type of "sparring fighting" and Defensive Tactics is when someone invades your space in the street and you react with the most effective menuever in accordance to the threat.

[Horazio]

In a street fight the best advice is to hit first ,as hard as you can and the run away.

[FuseBox80A]

"It is hard to box when someone shoves a thumb in yer eye?"

I agree, no technic can be demonstrated or "safely learnd" agains "street fight" because the pain is missing and no damage is caused to opponent.

[jgr4507]

Street fights have no rules. Someone is looking to hurt you. Eye gouge, hit in the throat, nuts, back of the neck, what ever it takes. Ultimate Fighting and all that MMA stuff has rules. A 100 lb girl that shoves her thumb in a 200 lb guy's eye is gonna get away and go home safe. That's winning a fight.

[crackinthekraken]

maybe, but not always. dont depend on eye gouges or "omg deadly moves!!!" to win a fight, because a lot of times they just don't. if that 200lb guy is all ready to go, that thumb in his eye may not deter him. he may lob her with the punch he has coming anyways, and then who won? he may only have one eye for the rest of his life, but he's still conscious and the 100lb girl is out. i'm not saying don't use eye gouges, i'm just saying don't bank on it working perfectly every time.

[Raging5]

yeh well, you can't guarantee the success of ANY technique in a street fight.

[Ancephalic]

It is hard to box when someone shoves a thumb in yer eye?

[Schmidt54]

do some "cool kung fu moves", so the enemy will be scared and attack not so offensive, which gives you time to get him with chin-na or whatever you can handle. wing tsun works fine at that, but everything is good: boxing, karate, jiu-jitsu, taekwondo etc.

[Schmidt54]

biggest problem in street-fights are, that your opponent will fight completely random. so it depends on some things that you can beat him: your experience in such fights and your fastness and swiftness. in my opinion it is essential to make room between you and your oppnonent using stop-kicks or long-arm-techniques. also, try not to grapple or get on the ground; and you have to pose around.

[christopheclugston]

The above post makes no sense at all.

[goldplatedballs]

No shit! Once you've actually been in a few street fights, it's easy to predict.The motherfucker wants to kill you. How random can that be? Try not to grapple in a street fight? Please. I've used grappling in almost every street fight I've been in. The consequences? Broke a guys arm, choked another, mounted and punched a guy till he verbally tapped, held an armbar till the guy took my advice and took a 'chill dog'. The list goes on. Only street fight I've lost was against a much bigger grappler.

[thingshot]

goldplatedballs your right, most fights do end up on the ground unless someone gets caught clean. The funniest thing I ever saw was two guys who couldn't grapple tangled up on the ground. One guy(accidentally and unknowingly)had a collar choke on the other guy whose face was turning purple. We had to pull him off as he was faced the other way and couldnt see the other guys purple head.

[crackinthekraken]

grappling is well and good, but what if he has friends? are you gonna sit there rolling around with him while his buddy starts kicking you, or hitting you with shit? what if he has a knife? it isnt easy to predict, and it isnt necessary for you to be an internet tough guy.

[jerryknuck]

You're describing street contests, not life and death fights. The guy verbally tapped? Please. How come in none of your street fights did a guy with whom you were grappling pull a knife and slash you up? How come none of your opponents' buddies pounced on you while you were on the ground grappling? Because those were contests with implied rules, if not spelled out. Try grappling a deranged thug who wants to kill you.

[Poeticfavor]

I Am with you 100%, but we should specifically say Brazillian Jujitsu. Jujitsu the art is itself a mixed martial art employing Strikes, chokes, Grappling, locks and kicks. To employ only one aspect is to fall prey to many more differnt types of attackes ie Mupltiple attackers, stick, knife etc.

[bulaluhanoel]

good point. every bjj guy that talks of his "street" fights are only one on one, claiming they have their friends too, in case they get jumped. we know its not always possible to have them with us all the time.

[generalaggression]

f-the word system. sports and and self defense are apples and red meat.1. best defense is to avoid the problem and be aware 2 when no choices available. light switch is on and arts and sciences are over 3,remember theres no thought of fighting, its eliminate the threat that is present .a 100 pound chick ready to kill is going to destroy the 200 lb man who wants to rough up or fight her. so all the video, training,and such is good to take to yer grave

[mattkovsky]

Boxing is far better than nothing. But it depends, everything is relative. That being said, a boxer is limited by training and habit to sportive reactions. An experienced street thug has "trained" himself to do whatever is necessary.

[bulaluhanoel]

yes, if it's unarmed fight, boxing is good enough most of the times. however, there are no weapon defense in boxing.

[TheClips]

Wouldn't "boxing" be a formal and choreographed fighting system? Do you think a boxer would lose in a street fight to some inexperienced thug who's flailing around?...

[leeyoungsb75]

Its not a matter of "flailing away" but someone who was taught to Box is not trained in hot to defend in a grappling situation. so in choreographed martial arts his debate is that your mind is fixed to a fight that yourself will assume will follow that standards of your training.

[aussyt]

A boxer will usually win in any fight(Depending on experience). Eperience in fighting with the hands is very essential in a street fight against someone who does not know any style.