@sandman640: No, I would not. I personally believe Zundel can blather all he wants. People have the right to salute his views or denounce them. I obviously take the latter. Having said that, democracies have the right to limit free speech if they suspect a public safety issue.
No one has the right to limit speech. It's up to each individual to decide whether the information is valuble not the rich media tycoons! Safety is in danger when other people decide what we should believe. I'm underwhelmed with you opinion.
@sandman640: Well, if you support hate speech...that is who you are and suppose that is your choice. No one can interfere with someone's belief. Thinking something and saying something is not the same thing but good try.
Of course I support hate speech! I have to support the stuff I don't like or I would be a hypocrite. There is a massive amount of lying going on in the media, if there is no freedom for the small guy how can he challenge it?
@sandman640: You challenge it by sifting through it. All you have done is slip over to the dark side and claim you are supporting the "small guy". You have not idea how small...thank goodness.
@AgouraMo I guess ultimately I'm I show me type of guy and of all the things you have said you haven't shown me anything. It's best to not buy into any ideology or belief system they tend to betray!
@sandman640: That is funny. You are not a "show me" guy. You are a very intellectually "lazy" guy. Maybe some neo nazi held your hand and made it easy for you. You might as well tell me to prove the moon is not made of cheese to you and that I need to show YOU proof...LMAO! You are the bomb. I am surprised you made the effort to stroke some keys in the form of comment.
AgouraMo I haven't been lazy, I found Ernst Zundle's material which has show me many very interesting things. I challenge you to refute some of the claims he has made in court!!!! Name calling and character assisination is only an attempt to divert attention away from a serious investigation.
@sandman640: Yea, well Astrology is interesting but I really don't rely on it. Pray, tell me what things you would like to see refuted? And if something is not refutable, how does that prove there was no holocaust? The holocaust is not one or a dozen separate events. It is the undeniable culmination of facts that lead to one conclusion. You see there is something called academic discipline and peer review. Something Zundel has avoided all his life for obvious reasons.
AgouraMo first of all academic discipline and peer reviews are a big farce, just look at the recent global warming e-mail scandle at the recent earth summit. Look at Irving opinions regarding the holocaust. Hasn't he been financially punished for holding the wrong opinion. Forbiden Archeology is another example of the academic establishment being contaminated. I'm talking about facts!
@sandman640: Poor examples. Global Warming enthusiasts have rejected peer review all along & will be now forced to come to terms with it. Irving has been forced in court to debunk himself due to peer review in a preceding he initiated. I have no idea what you are referring to in regards to "forbidden archaeology". Also, I am not clear as to what "facts" you are alluding to. Without academic discipline & peer review there is no objective view. History without objectivity is frankly meaningless.
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The extermination of the Jews was a very covert activity that was simply an extension of Hitler's T-4 programs which garnished the anger of the German public. Himmler stated that if the SS was assigned the T-4 program there would be no public outcry because the SS know how to follow orders. The German people and most of Europe know exactly what happened and have little tolerance of pretending otherwise. I am for free speech but you are talking about "liar rights".
The soap & lampshade incident was a sole event found in the position of an SS officer's wife. Lipstadt and others have stated honestly that there is no data to support any process (large scale) for this purpose. A killer can go on the bus and shoot a dozen people. Witnesses will vary and discredit themselves with the killer's description but who will say no crime took place?
Ernst Zundel represents "free speech" like Al Capone represents Catholics or Italians. LMAO! Ernst Zundel makes a mockery of free speech or in this case "liar rights".
if he lies then prove it in a court instead of say "truth is not a defense". Prosecutors in germany use this phase to avoid to debate based on proofs and arguments. If you support "truth is not a defense" it's clear who is the liar!
what about fake witness on the holocaust? why they never go to jail? human soap, lampshades, etc? why it's not illegal to fake the death tolls upward? e.g. assert that 9million dead in Auschwitz ("Night and fog"). Are the jews defending the historical truth?
Let me help you my poorly informed friend. The truth is what the court or jury determines not what the accused states and therefore it is not a defense. History is not an exact science. All historians are revisionists. Deniers like Zundel are simply liars. Numbers of those exterminated vary from 3.9 to 5.8 The numbers at Auschwitz have decreased as Ukrainian extermination have increased. A recent London Times article states the 6 mil # will have to be increased as more bodies are uncovered.
I will clarify it, since you don't or don't want to undestand it: prosecutors state "truth is not a defense" BEFORE the trial began. The accused said: I didn't falsified the history, since I CAN PROVE EVERYTHING I SAID. I just TOLD THE TRUTH. The answer was "TRUTH IS NOT A DEFENSE".
Whenever you revise the history you may prove that some "facts" never happened or were exaggerated. e.g. Deborah Lipstadt stated that Jews were not made into soap. According to her IT NEVER HAPPENED
If you want to throw away the legal system ....good luck with you devil analogy. Germar Rudolf debunked himself. First he said "Chemistry will prove there were no holocaust/gas chambers". Later, after being taken to task by other chemists and scientists he recanted and said chemistry will never disprove the holocaust/gas chambers. Using the human soap incident to discard the entire holocaust is incredibly silly. You can rearrange all of history into absurdity using your method.
He never said chemistry will prove the Holocaust, he proved there were no gassing at auschwitz since it was his goal at auschwitz. However chemistry is not the science which will debunk the holocaust. It's necessary several disciplines to do it. I referred the human soap to show you that any kind of revisionism can conclude something never happened, and that's quite graphic example. Even jewish historians are denying FACTS STATED AT NUREMBERG TRIAL as well as the human soap
Why Lipstadt can deny the human soap and I deserve to be jailed for denying the gas chamber?? She stated that IT NEVER HAPPENED but there were witnesses about the human soap, even the soap was presented as evidence. Is Lipstadt suggesting the witnesses LIED? Is she calling them LIARS?
Ernst Zundel left Germany to Canada to avoid military service. He is a printer of pamphlets by profession. He is a UFO enthusiast and believes UFOs are Nazi creations designed to monitor mankind. His second wife referred to him as "evil incarnate". His sole support is from Neo Nazis and White Supremacist groups.
That's a fiction book about UFOs, he didn't say that real as some jews state the human soap, for example. I'm not nazi and I support him and support freedom of speech. Their sole prosecutors are zionist jews like you, the lobby(jewish mafia such as JDL and ADL) and brain washed germans. To jail a man because his opinions is evil, and that's what the mafia did.
He has written a number of books or booklets regarding UFOs as Nazi creations made to monitor mankind under aliases in the 70s. He did not write them as fiction at all. He even tried to arrange expensive expeditions to the arctic to verify his claims. Germans are brainwashed and Jews control everything. Who controls the Jews? and who controls the Jew controllers? & so on...Mr. Conspiracy Man. The Germans know more than most what happened to the Jews in Europe. Where were you when it happened?
Read about Paul Rassinier who was kept at Buchenwald and one other camp and said there was nothing going on that was anything like the jew communists claimed. The Germans applied the tiny tattoos in order to provide the best possible medical care to the campers without making any serious ID errors while doing diagnoses or dispensing medicine or doing surgeries. If one truly listens when the jew communist liars tell their "survivor" stories it is plain that they are lying thru their teeth.
Hitler created "6 million jobs" for Germans in his 1st two years after kicking out all of the treacherous jews which was a massive propaganda tool for National Socialists to say that Hitler was correct in his belief that jews are nothing but parasites. So to counter the nazi's "6 million jobs" propaganda the jews concocted black propaganda at the close of WWII that Hitler created "6 million corpses" of jews. That is the true-life history of how the "6 million" figure was invented by jews.
What happened at the protective camps of the Germans such as Auschwitz was that The Allies bombed the shit out of all the German supply warehouses and railways which was the cause of all the suffering the last few months on WWII. The Allies didn't want the outside world to ever learn that they intentionally caused such starvation and disease so they agreed to make up lies about defeated Germany doing it on purpose.
One of the 3 stooges.
AgouraMo 2 years ago
AgouraMo I get the feeling you would probably enjoy being one of the prison guards.
sandman640 1 year ago
@sandman640: No, I would not. I personally believe Zundel can blather all he wants. People have the right to salute his views or denounce them. I obviously take the latter. Having said that, democracies have the right to limit free speech if they suspect a public safety issue.
AgouraMo 1 year ago
No one has the right to limit speech. It's up to each individual to decide whether the information is valuble not the rich media tycoons! Safety is in danger when other people decide what we should believe. I'm underwhelmed with you opinion.
sandman640 1 year ago
@sandman640: Well, if you support hate speech...that is who you are and suppose that is your choice. No one can interfere with someone's belief. Thinking something and saying something is not the same thing but good try.
AgouraMo 1 year ago
Of course I support hate speech! I have to support the stuff I don't like or I would be a hypocrite. There is a massive amount of lying going on in the media, if there is no freedom for the small guy how can he challenge it?
sandman640 1 year ago
@sandman640: You challenge it by sifting through it. All you have done is slip over to the dark side and claim you are supporting the "small guy". You have not idea how small...thank goodness.
AgouraMo 1 year ago
@AgouraMo I guess ultimately I'm I show me type of guy and of all the things you have said you haven't shown me anything. It's best to not buy into any ideology or belief system they tend to betray!
sandman640 1 year ago
@sandman640: That is funny. You are not a "show me" guy. You are a very intellectually "lazy" guy. Maybe some neo nazi held your hand and made it easy for you. You might as well tell me to prove the moon is not made of cheese to you and that I need to show YOU proof...LMAO! You are the bomb. I am surprised you made the effort to stroke some keys in the form of comment.
AgouraMo 1 year ago
AgouraMo I haven't been lazy, I found Ernst Zundle's material which has show me many very interesting things. I challenge you to refute some of the claims he has made in court!!!! Name calling and character assisination is only an attempt to divert attention away from a serious investigation.
sandman640 1 year ago
@sandman640: Yea, well Astrology is interesting but I really don't rely on it. Pray, tell me what things you would like to see refuted? And if something is not refutable, how does that prove there was no holocaust? The holocaust is not one or a dozen separate events. It is the undeniable culmination of facts that lead to one conclusion. You see there is something called academic discipline and peer review. Something Zundel has avoided all his life for obvious reasons.
AgouraMo 1 year ago
AgouraMo first of all academic discipline and peer reviews are a big farce, just look at the recent global warming e-mail scandle at the recent earth summit. Look at Irving opinions regarding the holocaust. Hasn't he been financially punished for holding the wrong opinion. Forbiden Archeology is another example of the academic establishment being contaminated. I'm talking about facts!
sandman640 1 year ago
@sandman640: Poor examples. Global Warming enthusiasts have rejected peer review all along & will be now forced to come to terms with it. Irving has been forced in court to debunk himself due to peer review in a preceding he initiated. I have no idea what you are referring to in regards to "forbidden archaeology". Also, I am not clear as to what "facts" you are alluding to. Without academic discipline & peer review there is no objective view. History without objectivity is frankly meaningless.
AgouraMo 1 year ago
Big Brother has him locked up in 'Room 101'. I bet he changes his tune about allot of things when he gets out.
popie333 2 years ago
I'll bet he doesn't.
mandelbaums 2 years ago 3
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popie333 2 years ago
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The extermination of the Jews was a very covert activity that was simply an extension of Hitler's T-4 programs which garnished the anger of the German public. Himmler stated that if the SS was assigned the T-4 program there would be no public outcry because the SS know how to follow orders. The German people and most of Europe know exactly what happened and have little tolerance of pretending otherwise. I am for free speech but you are talking about "liar rights".
AgouraMo 2 years ago
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AgouraMo 2 years ago
The soap & lampshade incident was a sole event found in the position of an SS officer's wife. Lipstadt and others have stated honestly that there is no data to support any process (large scale) for this purpose. A killer can go on the bus and shoot a dozen people. Witnesses will vary and discredit themselves with the killer's description but who will say no crime took place?
AgouraMo 2 years ago
Ernst Zundel represents "free speech" like Al Capone represents Catholics or Italians. LMAO! Ernst Zundel makes a mockery of free speech or in this case "liar rights".
AgouraMo 2 years ago
if he lies then prove it in a court instead of say "truth is not a defense". Prosecutors in germany use this phase to avoid to debate based on proofs and arguments. If you support "truth is not a defense" it's clear who is the liar!
what about fake witness on the holocaust? why they never go to jail? human soap, lampshades, etc? why it's not illegal to fake the death tolls upward? e.g. assert that 9million dead in Auschwitz ("Night and fog"). Are the jews defending the historical truth?
vacavaconve 2 years ago
Let me help you my poorly informed friend. The truth is what the court or jury determines not what the accused states and therefore it is not a defense. History is not an exact science. All historians are revisionists. Deniers like Zundel are simply liars. Numbers of those exterminated vary from 3.9 to 5.8 The numbers at Auschwitz have decreased as Ukrainian extermination have increased. A recent London Times article states the 6 mil # will have to be increased as more bodies are uncovered.
AgouraMo 2 years ago
I will clarify it, since you don't or don't want to undestand it: prosecutors state "truth is not a defense" BEFORE the trial began. The accused said: I didn't falsified the history, since I CAN PROVE EVERYTHING I SAID. I just TOLD THE TRUTH. The answer was "TRUTH IS NOT A DEFENSE".
Whenever you revise the history you may prove that some "facts" never happened or were exaggerated. e.g. Deborah Lipstadt stated that Jews were not made into soap. According to her IT NEVER HAPPENED
vacavaconve 2 years ago
"The truth is what the court or jury determines"
Wrong again, the existence of the devil, angels and witches are all "facts" proved into courts.
The truth is what can be scientifically proved. For example Germar Rudolf demostrated that there were not gassing at Auschwitz.
vacavaconve 2 years ago
If you want to throw away the legal system ....good luck with you devil analogy. Germar Rudolf debunked himself. First he said "Chemistry will prove there were no holocaust/gas chambers". Later, after being taken to task by other chemists and scientists he recanted and said chemistry will never disprove the holocaust/gas chambers. Using the human soap incident to discard the entire holocaust is incredibly silly. You can rearrange all of history into absurdity using your method.
AgouraMo 2 years ago
He never said chemistry will prove the Holocaust, he proved there were no gassing at auschwitz since it was his goal at auschwitz. However chemistry is not the science which will debunk the holocaust. It's necessary several disciplines to do it. I referred the human soap to show you that any kind of revisionism can conclude something never happened, and that's quite graphic example. Even jewish historians are denying FACTS STATED AT NUREMBERG TRIAL as well as the human soap
vacavaconve 2 years ago
Why Lipstadt can deny the human soap and I deserve to be jailed for denying the gas chamber?? She stated that IT NEVER HAPPENED but there were witnesses about the human soap, even the soap was presented as evidence. Is Lipstadt suggesting the witnesses LIED? Is she calling them LIARS?
vacavaconve 2 years ago
Ernst Zundel left Germany to Canada to avoid military service. He is a printer of pamphlets by profession. He is a UFO enthusiast and believes UFOs are Nazi creations designed to monitor mankind. His second wife referred to him as "evil incarnate". His sole support is from Neo Nazis and White Supremacist groups.
AgouraMo 2 years ago
That's a fiction book about UFOs, he didn't say that real as some jews state the human soap, for example. I'm not nazi and I support him and support freedom of speech. Their sole prosecutors are zionist jews like you, the lobby(jewish mafia such as JDL and ADL) and brain washed germans. To jail a man because his opinions is evil, and that's what the mafia did.
vacavaconve 2 years ago
He has written a number of books or booklets regarding UFOs as Nazi creations made to monitor mankind under aliases in the 70s. He did not write them as fiction at all. He even tried to arrange expensive expeditions to the arctic to verify his claims. Germans are brainwashed and Jews control everything. Who controls the Jews? and who controls the Jew controllers? & so on...Mr. Conspiracy Man. The Germans know more than most what happened to the Jews in Europe. Where were you when it happened?
AgouraMo 2 years ago
I think you should separate between opinions and facts.
ubbddu 2 years ago
the holocaust is bullshit!
eightrooks81 2 years ago
Read about Paul Rassinier who was kept at Buchenwald and one other camp and said there was nothing going on that was anything like the jew communists claimed. The Germans applied the tiny tattoos in order to provide the best possible medical care to the campers without making any serious ID errors while doing diagnoses or dispensing medicine or doing surgeries. If one truly listens when the jew communist liars tell their "survivor" stories it is plain that they are lying thru their teeth.
TheMovieNeverEnds 3 years ago
Hitler created "6 million jobs" for Germans in his 1st two years after kicking out all of the treacherous jews which was a massive propaganda tool for National Socialists to say that Hitler was correct in his belief that jews are nothing but parasites. So to counter the nazi's "6 million jobs" propaganda the jews concocted black propaganda at the close of WWII that Hitler created "6 million corpses" of jews. That is the true-life history of how the "6 million" figure was invented by jews.
EwaAulin 3 years ago 2
What happened at the protective camps of the Germans such as Auschwitz was that The Allies bombed the shit out of all the German supply warehouses and railways which was the cause of all the suffering the last few months on WWII. The Allies didn't want the outside world to ever learn that they intentionally caused such starvation and disease so they agreed to make up lies about defeated Germany doing it on purpose.
NewFromDisney 3 years ago 6