Did the Human get shocked when they got it wrong? What about rewards? when the Human got it right did they get a banana? That would be funny to watch. Let the Chimp just laugh, jump, and clap as the person is getting fried. Big monkey grin ear to ear.
This is actually a trick question for humans. Humans already know how to count so the human brain deposits and deals with numerical information totally differently. Chimps don't spend years doing maths at pre school instead they know a jumble of symbols (to them) that represent an order. Their brains devote large amounts of real estate to the problem over a huge amount of time. Humans use integer symbols to DO problems. Chipms see the numbers AS the problem.
If chimpanzees and other non-human primates are stupid, then we're just as stupid. Please stop placing humanity in a high pedestal. These non-human primates aren't the ones gradually, but surely, trying to obliterate this planet with corruption, crime, poverty, and incessant warfare.
@Llynok that isn't it. its a visual memory test, and it seems young chimps have very strong visual memory abilities. if you matched a human with a photographic memory against the chimp, the human would win. also, if it was changed into a auditory test, and humans with high functioning auditory memories were used, the humans would win.
very interesting and this may be the first video i have ever seen where the comments on the front page are all intelligent and add to the video. I will record this moment!
i agree that with evolution, you may lose an ability due to benefits of another that out weigh it.
My Parrot can store information and store and retreive it.....The human brain can also store information and retreive it........therefore l think that given the chance all animal can store information and retrieve it....(example video's of my parrot on my channel).....(of this example)
I'm interested in why as we evolved we lost the powerful memory that the chimps seem to have. I figured something like that would be important, evolution didn't seem to think so. But hey I don't know much about evolution
@binaryfinary2005 I believe it's because not everything evolves in a linear fashion, example: Great apes do not seem to understand if humans point at something and know to look where the finger is pointed, seem unable to put themselves into the others' state of mind - but my dog does this all the time :)
There recently has been proof that chimps have empathy, that they, to some extent, know what an other chimpanzee is thinking. For example, when a chimp is hiding a fruit by digging placing it beneath the ground, the chimp first carefully watches his/her surrounding before it places the fruit beneath the ground, making sure no one else has seen it.
They can put themselves into the others' state of mind, but not to figure out what the other is doing. In particular, when they are working with another chimp to get food, but their ability stops short of understanding the others' instruction because they've evolved to copy more than to actually be taught.
I think it's because we just didn't need photographic memory.. We need to keep a picture in mind, we either photograph it or draw it. If we need to keep numbers in mind, we write them down. there are also other ways if we don't have the tech nor writing/photography, we can draw it in the sand/dirt. making a photographic memory not as handy as it otherwise would. Great video right?
We didn't evolve from chimps, we evolved from a recent common ancestor with chimps, that ancestor may not have had this powerful memory ability. Also losing "abilities" is common in evolution simply because often the costs outweigh the benefits.
Chimps are able to perform well here because (1) their minds are not inhibited by thought as ours are, (2) because of which they have pure awareness and (3) enabling them to directly deal with stimuli perceived by their senses.
With humans, sensory inputs trigger memories and emotions, which force our brains to process multiple data -- often irrelevant, wasting brain power.
Solving this problem and thus harnessing our brain power effectivey is the objective of all meditation.
its disgusting that these animals are locked up in zoos considering they do have higher cognitive functions than some people think. no wonder they go insane in there. and to people who say that we are better cos we evolved into humans, it was a mutation, we didnt choose it or use our intellect to become what we are, u could just have easily been born a monkey. some of ye probably were.
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Wow another bunch of scientists trying to prove that chimps are better than us well i got some info for you which proves we are 100 times more intelligent than apes and that is we have fucking evolved if they are so amazing why didnt they evlove and take over and dominate the world.
it may be more subtle than that. its not like intelligence works as a single spectrum. Don't get so offended that some chimps have a better memory than some humans
At no point in its evolution did Homo sapiens or any of its evolutionary ancestors choose the direction it would evolve. Your argument is basically, "We are smarter because we turned out smarter," actually.
Although the first sentence of your comment (sentence as in where the period should be, not where you incorrectly placed it) suggests you are probably just an idiot. No scientist said at any point that chimps are smarter. But you can clearly see that some chimps may be better at this task.
You are quite an idiot. This does not show that chimps are better than us. This videos shows mainly 2 things: That the younger the age of a brain the more efficiently it functions, and chimps have much more control over their subconscious mind than we humans.
Humans have been evolving to be more conscious and logical than visual and artistic. Having photographic memory doesn't mean chimps are smarter, meaning they don't have problem solving abilities we do. They just remember things better.
The time varies depending on the amount of numbers. For example at 0:29 the chimp has to find 6 numbers, while the human has to find 5 numbers which are also closer together than the chimp's ones.
From the abstract of the new study: "The present report shows that when two humans are given practice in the Inoue and Matsuzawa (2007) memory task, their accuracy levels match those of Ayumu [i.e. the chimp]. " This is NOT to say that chimps are stupid (they are not) and this is NOT to say that evolution is wrong (it is instead right). I would be surprised if the media would now report on the "killjoy" data presented by Silberberg and Kearns. And that is a shame really.
It's so sad that they keep these chimps locked away in these scientific labs. They deserve a life out in the free... sadly, we humans are destroying that front too - soon there won't be any forests left for them to go to. It's so sad.
Attempting to convict me of your practices will not work. I am a real person and you are just crying because that guy got you good.
Maybe you should grow a sac ya fucking baby. Quit trying to talk shit to people you will never meet and get a life.
Seriously... do you have a tattoo on your forehead that tells people not to waste their time talking to you? If not consider dipshit. I think it suits you.
wow, your mother must've dropped you on your head good as an infant. you know you should really think about taking your own advice next time you try to use an anonymous account to reply to your loser self, the part in your profile where it says "YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE"
don't worry, it's not hard. all you need is a mirror. and maybe a girlfriend/boyfriend.
I invited you over ya fucking crybaby. I was even going to comp your cover.
You are the only one talking shit boy. All I am doing is pointing that out. Now kindly go and find someone else to pester. I am talking to people I like and am tired of your childish bullshit.
a cover for what? a cover charge for the LET'S-THREATEN-TO-HURT-PEOPLE ONLINE club cover?!
please, I really hope you're joking and that you're not some bouncer at a club threatening to kick people's ass online. because if you are, then you are so fired!!
For the last time I cannot even conceive the conditions needed for a person to become so bored in life that they start to have conversations with themselves. You obviously do what you are accusing me of so you obviously have serious social problems. Why you would want to advertise how sad you are is beyond me.
i like your new soliloquy. dont worry, like i said, it's probably better if you say that line to yourself in front of a mirror. just try not to sound too incestuous.
that's right, just keep typing behind that computer fairy boy.
Oh, geez. Just looked at your channel for the first time. Noticed how you share soooo much about YOU(!) for all of us because, after all, it's YOU!!!. hahahaha
Kid, you're one of those N-generation guys!
Had I only known the source. Jerk yourself off with the last word, but the conversation is over. You're just too N to even get it when you're getting slam-dunked, anyway. Oblivious.
Don't sweat that punk. He was tried to start an issue with me for hours yesterday. I told him to come by the club sometime and he started crying that I threatened him.
I seriously don't feel responsible if invitations threaten the lil guy. It's not my fault he is a wimp.
It might be good reading though. It starts with me laughing at someone who made a joke about his monkey mother. Then he started whining at me for no reason.
He's not sweat-eliciting, trust me. Just realized I was wasting my insults . He doesn't even get that he's outgunned, and he's too boring to bother with further. He doesn't even say clever shit, y'know? How annoying.
N-generation, WHAT DA FUCK. you failed at TRYING to be cool, FOR LIFE!!
ROFL you are a fucking loser!!!!!
i'm not narcissistic, i'm just sexy as fuck. you must be a pimple faced fairy boy who's no doubt still way below her chronological age. "Just realized I was wasting my insults?"
hAhAHha must say a lot about your own emotional maturity for trying to talk back to a "Kid"
I've got news for you, you're not the coolest fucktard on the internet. your time is over. go kill yourself
Geez, I searched the topic "chimps" for some comedy, and got to this video. But the real comedy is found in the comments below, where all these people try to talk like they're experts, when clearly the sum total of their expertise is based on watching the Discovery Channel...while stoned or on the phone to their pal, Fred.
I didn't talk about your "friend" Fred at all, queer-bait. Try reading it again. Maybe get someone to help you. If it's another guy, try not to jerk each other off.
That's called short term memory, the part of the brain that is giving its spaces away to the frontal lobe(the juice of human intelligence). The better your frontal lobe is developed, the more your short term memory is squeezed.
The less you think, plan, know, experience, the more potential (note here, potential) you have for improved short term memory. Explanation is: Human brain is adapted at filtering detailed information off.
Well, chimps also have excellent long-term memory and also can think :). Memory isn't related to planning and thinking, because they happen in different brain areas.
Long term memory goes through somewhere that's inside of the brain, further away from the "intelligence" part that is the surface area. the more detailed their memory is the less intelligent they are.
You can't easily refute my none sense either, since everything we know about the brain is in speculative and hyperthetical nature, so, HAAAAA
Evolution has never said we evolved from chimpanzees. We share a common ancestor with them. Orangutangs and gorillas too. We are on separate evolutionary paths but the four of our species broke from one common ancestor. This has been proven.
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hehehe its funny you say this makes it obvious that we share ancestry if your going by evolution this actual disproves evolution because we are the next step in the evolutionary process and a monkey out performing either means evolution is wrong or evolution made monkeys smarter? which practiaclly means the same thing or am i wrong and it was just a lucky moneky and there is no evolutionary explanation for it out doing us? they are also stronger then us by far
You misunderstand evolution - there is no such thing as the 'next step in the evolutionary process' - evolution has no defined path or goal. It makes no sense to say we are a step ahead of monkeys in our evolution (NB. the video is actually about chimps, not monkeys).
I can't be specific, but you can infer from evolution theory that there were environmental influences on chimps that favoured greater short-term memory and strength - whereas human evolution did not have the same influences.
We are not the "next step" to chimpazees or any other great ape. We are their evolutionary cousins; seperated by millions of years of evolution. We do NOT share the same evolutionary path as chimpanzees or other great apes.
"" It's so obvious monkeys and human share common ancestry, how can you deny it? Besides, i love monkeys, they're like un-inhibited humans. No shame, no sense of acting civilised, they are free.""
This is an example of evolution at work. Humans have complex things like language and higher math. We don't need to remember everything we see because we can look it up or ask someone else. Even when we navigate by memory, we don't remember the whole route-- we only remember the pertinent landmarks.
Chimps don't have that luxury. For them, visual memory is a highly prized survival skill. If a Chimp can't remember where the food or water is, it doesn't have the language to ask for directions.
Chimpanzees are infinitely more intelligent than the entrie guest appearances on Jerry Springer. Give me evolution any day over being created alongside those morons.
Evolution??? Chimps have more chromosomes than we do. How the hell did we de-evolve from chimps??? It makes absolutly no sense and even Darwin knew that. People should really read his work before proclaiming support for what they believe to be his theories.
I think you're misunderstanding the difference between the modern look at evolution and Darwin's look at evolution. We have him to thank for the concept, but the idea itself has evolved since then because science doesn't just pick some old scripture and stick with it on faith. They like actually study it using data and tests. And I never said the chimp was becoming a human, did I? Anyway evolution is proven and obvious when you look at the fossil record and humans in general.
How does this new look at the old concept address the fact that apes are more genetically advanced than humans? It seems this information that was gleaned since ol' Darwin took his dirt nap should have turned the whole following on it's head. I appreciate that you did not call our ancestors apes, yet I thought that fossil records have what is termed a missing link in the evolutional theory concerning man's development.
Evolution is not solely dependant on how many chromosomes a creature has. And it's not about one creature being MORE evolved than another. It's about the evolution being DIFFERENT. Adaptation to specific environments and situations. Humans are more advanced in the area of building structures and societies, but that doesn't make them superior beings. For example, I would probably lose an arm wrestling match with a chimp. But that doesn't make chimps superior beings either.We are just different.
Being "more evolved" is something you will hear every now and then, but it is just words. It is based on OUR prospect of intelligence and technological advancement. Just because something isn't technologically advanced though, that doesn't make it stupid. It's just a different kind of creature with no need for such things.
The possibility I am eluding to would be the manufacturing of man. As you say, the establishment of society is not proof of intelligence but is in my opinion a conditioned response and all creatures simply respond to stimuli. The theory of evolution assumes that there is a steady rise of human progression and this is stiffled by ancient devices that rival the tech of today such as a four thousand year old battery that detail human development as more of a rollercoaster ride.
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here, but I'll try and answer what I think you're saying.
Evolution IS a response to certain stimuli, but it is a gradual response for the most part.
And obviously there are different kinds of humans. So while one culture may be building plastic toys and sky scrapers, another culture may hate that culture, outnumber and slaughter them,thus ending the production of those plastic toys and sky scrapers.Then they will go back to Sun worship an lack of tech
Another possibility might be a single culture that has maintained it's integrity and agenda throughout recorded history. All people are intrigued by technology and architecture as we are curious beings by nature. We will instinctively build taller structures and more complicated machines until an event destroys or possibly buries our accomplishments. The explanation behind the regularly occuring destruction of technology might not come from nature but rather a group of Bohemians.
LOL, he says "young chimps outperformed both their mothers and human university students," as if there were other species besides humans enrolled in universities.
The system is designed to make people more stupid with every generation. Check out a public school curriculum from the 50's and compare it with one from today and you will see the truth. If you are left with the question of why then you might want to research who founded the Department of Education.
Reason in opposition to memory makes a whole lot of sense because when you reconstruct the past in your mind, past experience, logic, and emotions play a part in painting the "reality" of a memory. Perhaps we make ourselves less able to connect to memory efficiently by clouding it with judgment...
i remember playing a memory game with a kid once... i lost to a kid at the age of 11 and i was 15. now shes at age of 15 and i am at 19, i beaten her. The older you are the more life experience and emotions you have, which may distract you from many other task your brain wants to preform. just a thought... i know im no sciencetist
Because...I have better memory than her...she is just smarter when she have no worries.. now she does, so it distracts her more... since we both are older now, my distractions are not so much different from her. so, it shows i have better memory overall.
now i feel inferior to something we supposedly evolved from...so then did we evolve or de evolve, even though we do have reason...i guess its a matter of opinion
Nobody supposes that we 'evolved from' the chimpanzee. Humans and chimpanzees instead are part of the same 'family' (Hominidae) - they share a quite recent common ancestor from which the evolutionary split (speciation) occurred around seven million years ago.
Think of a family tree: humans and chimpanzees are on the _same_ horizontal level. The chimps are our _cousins_.
Humans are a reasoning species; They aren't innately, instinctually inspired to memorize anything, because humans can only survive through reason and though. Chimps, on the other hand, generally come with the knowledge to think at this perspective quickly, just around birth, because they have yet to evolve from the thoughtlessness of instinct. It's necessary for their survival to do such a thing; However, it isn't for us. Those that learn to memorize that quickly developed it themselves.
It might not be a specie thing. People in preliterate tribes are known to memorise songs that last hours to sing out in languages that they don't understand. Maybe reason is somehow in opposition to memory, but it's probably more nurture than nature. How would an Aborigine do in this test?
they seem to do just fine for themself in the wild- you know, where they belong. it's usually man's interaction with them that causes trouble. they don't have to pay for food, they know no fear or dred of bills to pay or matters to attend to... hmm. who's the real sorry beasts here? but, with a name like that, and beliefs that no doubt match it, some stupid and pointless remark like that was expected.
Technically, any animal that lives for very long has to have some sort of a job that pays for food and boarding - whether in the wild or not. The chimps in the movie clearly do have jobs - they're research subjects and get paid in food and boarding. The fact that actual money isn't involved in that exchange is just a matter of perspective.
I think humans can do it too if they have an incentive. There aren't so many number shown anyway so I don't think it's really impossible. Actually it's easy. Just look at the numbers as a collection of numbers rather than recognizing them one by one It's like when we recognize a face we do not focus on the details (nose, ears, eyes) but the face itself. Or like when reading words, we do not look at each letter. Well something like that.
the test shows the numbers flash up at (among other speeds) about a quarter of a second. this is too fast for the human eye movement to scan across the screen taking in the info. the chimps can do it becasue its almost like a photographic memory.. so it wouldnt be possible for humans, unless that was some sort of rare onomoly, luck, or repeated attempts at the same pattern. surely..?
I have a feeling the the chimps have been trained to do this type of task more than the human subjects, were. That being said, I don't discount the statement that chimp brains are better developed to accomplish tasks such as these.
Well, not necesarilly. As humans we have developed other skills that we needed to become what we are while losing the traits we didn't need. Chimps are much faster than us, can find food, are stronger and for some reason they need a very good short term memory. Meanwhile, no animal has such great environment understanding as we do. Also we have the most developed hands.
When we say evolve, we mean that we are adapted chimps, with a few skills changed, some are better, other worse.
I noticed something that might explain why the monkeys did better. After each test, I could see the monkeys getting a peanut. The humans did not receive a peanut.
You also have to factor in that the younger chimps have been doing it since they were born... If I had to memorize numbers since my birth I think I'd be pretty good at it too O.o
Our only predators are ourselves and we have a judicial system to help protect us from crime. Save alien abduction we are pretty much inclined to do what we want without fear of being eaten or probed. Monkeys still have these innate features intact and to a much more extended degree. They need to remember all the hiding places they place food because of scavengers, and they dont have malls or food outlets like we do.
both have atrophied via fastfood and shopping malls. We eat at fast-food restaurants,order delivery pizza and buy clothes we arent going to wear more than 6 months.
People today have gotten very lazy with the passage of time and technolgy, in terms of awareness; surroundings which includes foraging and the inherent dangers thereof:
If you search on youtube for "ayumu chimpanzee" you can find a very interesting clip about this test and the juvenile chimpanzee with the excellent memory.
What i think it is, is that animals have different abilities, AKA, we are all around more intellegent and more advanced whereas chimps have better memories along with being primative. am i ryt?
What rewards were the chimps receiving as opposed to the humans? Isn't motivation a major factor in operant conditioning? E.g. would a well fed chimp's memory perform as well as an incredibly hungry human's?
funny is, that baby chimps seen to have better eidetic(photographic memory) than adult chimps and humans. however human children have better eidetic memory but lose it as they grow up, i suspect because we're trained out of it
This is a whole branch of psychology I've yet to explore. I've often wondered how early childhood conditioning to (say) read & write may effect other processes of learning...including our faculty of memory.
Maybe we learn all the linguistic 'short-cuts' at the expense of
Was anyone else blown away by the opening sentence? 0:08
tomi1988 2 weeks ago
So do I ...275,461... they're all stuck up wenches.
HLecterPHD 1 month ago
i wonder how well it could do at a simple game of pong
megamanretro1 1 month ago
PLANET OF THE APES
SaturnAndItsRings 4 months ago 2
Mc Donalds should employ chimps, then they wont GET MY FOOKING ORDER WRONG EVERY TIME ;)
MrEnterthehole 8 months ago 10
that explains alot
elvis11mackey 9 months ago
Did the Human get shocked when they got it wrong? What about rewards? when the Human got it right did they get a banana? That would be funny to watch. Let the Chimp just laugh, jump, and clap as the person is getting fried. Big monkey grin ear to ear.
trekgeek1 10 months ago
Certain lucky humans still have photographic memories. My question, Why have the rest of us lost it?
FedupwithR 10 months ago
This is actually a trick question for humans. Humans already know how to count so the human brain deposits and deals with numerical information totally differently. Chimps don't spend years doing maths at pre school instead they know a jumble of symbols (to them) that represent an order. Their brains devote large amounts of real estate to the problem over a huge amount of time. Humans use integer symbols to DO problems. Chipms see the numbers AS the problem.
conradbate 11 months ago 2
Any idiot savant would blow away that chimp... Not impressed...
petmycatwiththose 11 months ago
lol, and the # on the human's screen showed up longer than the chimps, only slightly, but I notice the difference.
BluePi1313 1 year ago
humans pwnd
parasythe 1 year ago
Owned! :)
Onkelz2505 1 year ago
If chimpanzees and other non-human primates are stupid, then we're just as stupid. Please stop placing humanity in a high pedestal. These non-human primates aren't the ones gradually, but surely, trying to obliterate this planet with corruption, crime, poverty, and incessant warfare.
ChthonicRemains 1 year ago
The title of the video should be, "A few trained chimps outperform a few untrained humans."
Llynok 1 year ago
@Llynok that isn't it. its a visual memory test, and it seems young chimps have very strong visual memory abilities. if you matched a human with a photographic memory against the chimp, the human would win. also, if it was changed into a auditory test, and humans with high functioning auditory memories were used, the humans would win.
chris11sholtz 1 year ago
@Llynok
Woah! You just completely destroyed this scientific study out of the water. Bravo!
DR000 11 months ago
This is really not a joke!
I can also!
I am an alien???
PeppiPepp 1 year ago
I didn't know that chimps could be so smart.
eatcarpet 1 year ago
very interesting and this may be the first video i have ever seen where the comments on the front page are all intelligent and add to the video. I will record this moment!
i agree that with evolution, you may lose an ability due to benefits of another that out weigh it.
taubrt 1 year ago 3
Interesting FACT
k00bby 2 years ago
My Parrot can store information and store and retreive it.....The human brain can also store information and retreive it........therefore l think that given the chance all animal can store information and retrieve it....(example video's of my parrot on my channel).....(of this example)
amymint5 2 years ago
I'm interested in why as we evolved we lost the powerful memory that the chimps seem to have. I figured something like that would be important, evolution didn't seem to think so. But hey I don't know much about evolution
binaryfinary2005 2 years ago 2
@binaryfinary2005 I believe it's because not everything evolves in a linear fashion, example: Great apes do not seem to understand if humans point at something and know to look where the finger is pointed, seem unable to put themselves into the others' state of mind - but my dog does this all the time :)
hd26R601 2 years ago
There recently has been proof that chimps have empathy, that they, to some extent, know what an other chimpanzee is thinking. For example, when a chimp is hiding a fruit by digging placing it beneath the ground, the chimp first carefully watches his/her surrounding before it places the fruit beneath the ground, making sure no one else has seen it.
laurens890 2 years ago
They can put themselves into the others' state of mind, but not to figure out what the other is doing. In particular, when they are working with another chimp to get food, but their ability stops short of understanding the others' instruction because they've evolved to copy more than to actually be taught.
babyloniandream 2 years ago
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@babyloniandream I know, I love it :)
hd26R601 2 years ago
I think it's because we just didn't need photographic memory.. We need to keep a picture in mind, we either photograph it or draw it. If we need to keep numbers in mind, we write them down. there are also other ways if we don't have the tech nor writing/photography, we can draw it in the sand/dirt. making a photographic memory not as handy as it otherwise would. Great video right?
babyloniandream 2 years ago
And why exactly do chimpanzees need photographic memory?
skydark 2 years ago
@skydark I don't know but I think it could be useful when you jump from a tree to another.
davidrope81 1 year ago
We didn't evolve from chimps, we evolved from a recent common ancestor with chimps, that ancestor may not have had this powerful memory ability. Also losing "abilities" is common in evolution simply because often the costs outweigh the benefits.
Jonh4649 2 years ago
LIE!!!!!!!!!!! CHIMP ALREADY KNEW THE ANSWERS. LOL no it can't be the chimp outsmarted me lol.
calito0010 2 years ago
Chimps are able to perform well here because (1) their minds are not inhibited by thought as ours are, (2) because of which they have pure awareness and (3) enabling them to directly deal with stimuli perceived by their senses.
With humans, sensory inputs trigger memories and emotions, which force our brains to process multiple data -- often irrelevant, wasting brain power.
Solving this problem and thus harnessing our brain power effectivey is the objective of all meditation.
uppaimappla 2 years ago
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You got to feed chimps more omega 3,that's the deference between people and apes we started to eat fish and seafood witch made us smart.
Omega3chimp 2 years ago
err... not quite
TheFartoholic 2 years ago
its disgusting that these animals are locked up in zoos considering they do have higher cognitive functions than some people think. no wonder they go insane in there. and to people who say that we are better cos we evolved into humans, it was a mutation, we didnt choose it or use our intellect to become what we are, u could just have easily been born a monkey. some of ye probably were.
Pippitypopify 2 years ago
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Wow another bunch of scientists trying to prove that chimps are better than us well i got some info for you which proves we are 100 times more intelligent than apes and that is we have fucking evolved if they are so amazing why didnt they evlove and take over and dominate the world.
Cozzi0 2 years ago
it may be more subtle than that. its not like intelligence works as a single spectrum. Don't get so offended that some chimps have a better memory than some humans
Phinuix 2 years ago 3
At no point in its evolution did Homo sapiens or any of its evolutionary ancestors choose the direction it would evolve. Your argument is basically, "We are smarter because we turned out smarter," actually.
Although the first sentence of your comment (sentence as in where the period should be, not where you incorrectly placed it) suggests you are probably just an idiot. No scientist said at any point that chimps are smarter. But you can clearly see that some chimps may be better at this task.
RoKetha 2 years ago
why you so defensive? anyone would think you were jealous.
Pippitypopify 2 years ago
You are quite an idiot. This does not show that chimps are better than us. This videos shows mainly 2 things: That the younger the age of a brain the more efficiently it functions, and chimps have much more control over their subconscious mind than we humans.
Humans have been evolving to be more conscious and logical than visual and artistic. Having photographic memory doesn't mean chimps are smarter, meaning they don't have problem solving abilities we do. They just remember things better.
LupoProduction 2 years ago
wtf. why did the chimp get more time to see the numbers? Look at 0:29 and then look at 0:33 . how was that fair?
OrangeAndBlack1000 2 years ago
The time varies depending on the amount of numbers. For example at 0:29 the chimp has to find 6 numbers, while the human has to find 5 numbers which are also closer together than the chimp's ones.
Sisyphos23 2 years ago
From the abstract of the new study: "The present report shows that when two humans are given practice in the Inoue and Matsuzawa (2007) memory task, their accuracy levels match those of Ayumu [i.e. the chimp]. " This is NOT to say that chimps are stupid (they are not) and this is NOT to say that evolution is wrong (it is instead right). I would be surprised if the media would now report on the "killjoy" data presented by Silberberg and Kearns. And that is a shame really.
leipzigbased 2 years ago
["Generation N", btw, is my new term for the Narcissistic Xboxers of the world.]
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
My applologies to the poster of this vid for letting that child gain any of my attention.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
It has been a while since I saw such a prime example of the harmful effects of the media in western culture.
Looking for external validation on this thread should warrant a case study.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
I think it's because the chimp goes with its first impulse, whereas humans have doubts and second guess themselves.
anonysquirrel 2 years ago
It's so sad that they keep these chimps locked away in these scientific labs. They deserve a life out in the free... sadly, we humans are destroying that front too - soon there won't be any forests left for them to go to. It's so sad.
DeviousDeception 2 years ago
OMG!!!!
villvetamycket 2 years ago
monkeys are our distant cousins!
The End!!
trickmastermonkey 3 years ago 2
Wow
You sure lay down the evidence there. How can anybody argue with such spacious logic?
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
you obviously have never seen trickmastermonkey's mom.
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
touche
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
haHAah, was that the other account you use to leave replies to yourself when no one else does? i bet it is. how pathetic you are!!
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
Hrm...
Attempting to convict me of your practices will not work. I am a real person and you are just crying because that guy got you good.
Maybe you should grow a sac ya fucking baby. Quit trying to talk shit to people you will never meet and get a life.
Seriously... do you have a tattoo on your forehead that tells people not to waste their time talking to you? If not consider dipshit. I think it suits you.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
wow, your mother must've dropped you on your head good as an infant. you know you should really think about taking your own advice next time you try to use an anonymous account to reply to your loser self, the part in your profile where it says "YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE"
don't worry, it's not hard. all you need is a mirror. and maybe a girlfriend/boyfriend.
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
Seriously...
You are still trying to talk shit to someone you will never meet? Come to the club sometime. I will send you home crying.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
did you just threaten to physically hurt me online?
ROFL
seriously... i think it's way past your bed time. now go on before i tell your mum and she decides to put you back in your cage.
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
I invited you over ya fucking crybaby. I was even going to comp your cover.
You are the only one talking shit boy. All I am doing is pointing that out. Now kindly go and find someone else to pester. I am talking to people I like and am tired of your childish bullshit.
Like everyone else you know obviously.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
you were going to "comp" my cover?
ROFL
a cover for what? a cover charge for the LET'S-THREATEN-TO-HURT-PEOPLE ONLINE club cover?!
please, I really hope you're joking and that you're not some bouncer at a club threatening to kick people's ass online. because if you are, then you are so fired!!
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
For the last time I cannot even conceive the conditions needed for a person to become so bored in life that they start to have conversations with themselves. You obviously do what you are accusing me of so you obviously have serious social problems. Why you would want to advertise how sad you are is beyond me.
Just to be sure you understand what happened.
Someone made fun of you. I laughed.
You should be used to this by now.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
My god man!! For the last time, here are two pretend pennies of mine that you can have.
Go buy yourself a fucking CLUE!!!
Get a girlfriend, a blow up doll, or whatever I could give a shit. Just a GET A LIFE!! Do it for your mum, so she would be proud!!
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
yeah, you should see her. she's training your mom how to stop throwing her own feces at other people here near the local the zoo.
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
Yeah, well that will definitely take her a lot longer than it took to teach your mom to lick her own shit off my dick, loser.
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
i like your new soliloquy. dont worry, like i said, it's probably better if you say that line to yourself in front of a mirror. just try not to sound too incestuous.
that's right, just keep typing behind that computer fairy boy.
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
You're a 6th grader, huh?
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
Oh, geez. Just looked at your channel for the first time. Noticed how you share soooo much about YOU(!) for all of us because, after all, it's YOU!!!. hahahaha
Kid, you're one of those N-generation guys!
Had I only known the source. Jerk yourself off with the last word, but the conversation is over. You're just too N to even get it when you're getting slam-dunked, anyway. Oblivious.
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
Don't sweat that punk. He was tried to start an issue with me for hours yesterday. I told him to come by the club sometime and he started crying that I threatened him.
I seriously don't feel responsible if invitations threaten the lil guy. It's not my fault he is a wimp.
It might be good reading though. It starts with me laughing at someone who made a joke about his monkey mother. Then he started whining at me for no reason.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
He's not sweat-eliciting, trust me. Just realized I was wasting my insults . He doesn't even get that he's outgunned, and he's too boring to bother with further. He doesn't even say clever shit, y'know? How annoying.
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
Exactly,
If you are going to make an issue out of nothing then at least make it funny.
I swear I just stared at the screen dumbfounded by the complete lack of wit.
I just kept asking myself how it was possible for someone so stupid to be able to survive. This world has obviously become waaaaay too forgiving.
LastCynicStanding 2 years ago
Maybe he was first checking this out as an instructional video.
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
N-generation, WHAT DA FUCK. you failed at TRYING to be cool, FOR LIFE!!
ROFL you are a fucking loser!!!!!
i'm not narcissistic, i'm just sexy as fuck. you must be a pimple faced fairy boy who's no doubt still way below her chronological age. "Just realized I was wasting my insults?"
hAhAHha must say a lot about your own emotional maturity for trying to talk back to a "Kid"
I've got news for you, you're not the coolest fucktard on the internet. your time is over. go kill yourself
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
...bingo.
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
fag.
SayJanosz 2 years ago
lesbian
Omega3chimp 2 years ago
distant cousins? We share 99% of our DNA with Gorillas.
MrSarcasm1 2 years ago
Geez, I searched the topic "chimps" for some comedy, and got to this video. But the real comedy is found in the comments below, where all these people try to talk like they're experts, when clearly the sum total of their expertise is based on watching the Discovery Channel...while stoned or on the phone to their pal, Fred.
DrHMFIC 3 years ago 3
Don't talk about my friend Fred like that, asshole.
ralphthemagician 2 years ago
I didn't talk about your "friend" Fred at all, queer-bait. Try reading it again. Maybe get someone to help you. If it's another guy, try not to jerk each other off.
DrHMFIC 2 years ago
That's called short term memory, the part of the brain that is giving its spaces away to the frontal lobe(the juice of human intelligence). The better your frontal lobe is developed, the more your short term memory is squeezed.
The less you think, plan, know, experience, the more potential (note here, potential) you have for improved short term memory. Explanation is: Human brain is adapted at filtering detailed information off.
moxinghbian 3 years ago
Well, chimps also have excellent long-term memory and also can think :). Memory isn't related to planning and thinking, because they happen in different brain areas.
laurens890 3 years ago
Long term memory goes through somewhere that's inside of the brain, further away from the "intelligence" part that is the surface area. the more detailed their memory is the less intelligent they are.
You can't easily refute my none sense either, since everything we know about the brain is in speculative and hyperthetical nature, so, HAAAAA
moxinghbian 3 years ago
Queridos criacionistas, a memória do chimpanzé mostra que mesmo um cérebro menor "PODERIA" ter aprendido e evoluído.
julyfrct 3 years ago
Evolution has never said we evolved from chimpanzees. We share a common ancestor with them. Orangutangs and gorillas too. We are on separate evolutionary paths but the four of our species broke from one common ancestor. This has been proven.
I hope that is clear.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago 41
""I hope that is clear. ""
I agree with you completely. It's so obvious monkeys and human share common ancestry, how can you deny it?
Besides, i love monkeys, they're like un-inhibited humans.
No shame, no sense of acting civilised, they are free.
sonykroket 3 years ago 19
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hehehe its funny you say this makes it obvious that we share ancestry if your going by evolution this actual disproves evolution because we are the next step in the evolutionary process and a monkey out performing either means evolution is wrong or evolution made monkeys smarter? which practiaclly means the same thing or am i wrong and it was just a lucky moneky and there is no evolutionary explanation for it out doing us? they are also stronger then us by far
TruthsImage 3 years ago
You misunderstand evolution - there is no such thing as the 'next step in the evolutionary process' - evolution has no defined path or goal. It makes no sense to say we are a step ahead of monkeys in our evolution (NB. the video is actually about chimps, not monkeys).
I can't be specific, but you can infer from evolution theory that there were environmental influences on chimps that favoured greater short-term memory and strength - whereas human evolution did not have the same influences.
daichi2097 3 years ago 3
We are not the "next step" to chimpazees or any other great ape. We are their evolutionary cousins; seperated by millions of years of evolution. We do NOT share the same evolutionary path as chimpanzees or other great apes.
sexyloser 2 years ago
They still have their own social groupings though- acting without restraint may lead to abondonment by the rest of the group.
fourganger88 2 years ago
@sonykroket That's kinda racist but I agree. If only I could get them to give back my bike I might love them too.
AurynThePaladin 1 year ago
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@AurynThePaladin
And what exactly was racist about my comment?
"" It's so obvious monkeys and human share common ancestry, how can you deny it? Besides, i love monkeys, they're like un-inhibited humans. No shame, no sense of acting civilised, they are free.""
sonykroket 10 months ago
@bonangusacdc evolution nor creationism has been proven.
x211tigerx 7 months ago
This is an example of evolution at work. Humans have complex things like language and higher math. We don't need to remember everything we see because we can look it up or ask someone else. Even when we navigate by memory, we don't remember the whole route-- we only remember the pertinent landmarks.
Chimps don't have that luxury. For them, visual memory is a highly prized survival skill. If a Chimp can't remember where the food or water is, it doesn't have the language to ask for directions.
FallofDarkness55 5 months ago 2
Chimpanzees are infinitely more intelligent than the entrie guest appearances on Jerry Springer. Give me evolution any day over being created alongside those morons.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
OMG that is so awesome! Evolution proved again! Thanks for sharing that with me bonangus =D
KimLachelle 3 years ago 2
Evolution??? Chimps have more chromosomes than we do. How the hell did we de-evolve from chimps??? It makes absolutly no sense and even Darwin knew that. People should really read his work before proclaiming support for what they believe to be his theories.
LastCynicStanding 3 years ago
I think you're misunderstanding the difference between the modern look at evolution and Darwin's look at evolution. We have him to thank for the concept, but the idea itself has evolved since then because science doesn't just pick some old scripture and stick with it on faith. They like actually study it using data and tests. And I never said the chimp was becoming a human, did I? Anyway evolution is proven and obvious when you look at the fossil record and humans in general.
KimLachelle 3 years ago
How does this new look at the old concept address the fact that apes are more genetically advanced than humans? It seems this information that was gleaned since ol' Darwin took his dirt nap should have turned the whole following on it's head. I appreciate that you did not call our ancestors apes, yet I thought that fossil records have what is termed a missing link in the evolutional theory concerning man's development.
LastCynicStanding 3 years ago
Evolution is not solely dependant on how many chromosomes a creature has. And it's not about one creature being MORE evolved than another. It's about the evolution being DIFFERENT. Adaptation to specific environments and situations. Humans are more advanced in the area of building structures and societies, but that doesn't make them superior beings. For example, I would probably lose an arm wrestling match with a chimp. But that doesn't make chimps superior beings either.We are just different.
KimLachelle 3 years ago 3
Being "more evolved" is something you will hear every now and then, but it is just words. It is based on OUR prospect of intelligence and technological advancement. Just because something isn't technologically advanced though, that doesn't make it stupid. It's just a different kind of creature with no need for such things.
KimLachelle 3 years ago
The possibility I am eluding to would be the manufacturing of man. As you say, the establishment of society is not proof of intelligence but is in my opinion a conditioned response and all creatures simply respond to stimuli. The theory of evolution assumes that there is a steady rise of human progression and this is stiffled by ancient devices that rival the tech of today such as a four thousand year old battery that detail human development as more of a rollercoaster ride.
LastCynicStanding 3 years ago
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here, but I'll try and answer what I think you're saying.
Evolution IS a response to certain stimuli, but it is a gradual response for the most part.
And obviously there are different kinds of humans. So while one culture may be building plastic toys and sky scrapers, another culture may hate that culture, outnumber and slaughter them,thus ending the production of those plastic toys and sky scrapers.Then they will go back to Sun worship an lack of tech
KimLachelle 3 years ago
Another possibility might be a single culture that has maintained it's integrity and agenda throughout recorded history. All people are intrigued by technology and architecture as we are curious beings by nature. We will instinctively build taller structures and more complicated machines until an event destroys or possibly buries our accomplishments. The explanation behind the regularly occuring destruction of technology might not come from nature but rather a group of Bohemians.
LastCynicStanding 3 years ago
lol. Totally.
KimLachelle 3 years ago
LOL, he says "young chimps outperformed both their mothers and human university students," as if there were other species besides humans enrolled in universities.
Skates2much 3 years ago
Maybe it says more about an education system where 25% can't read the diploma they are handed.
mousepotato64 3 years ago
The system is designed to make people more stupid with every generation. Check out a public school curriculum from the 50's and compare it with one from today and you will see the truth. If you are left with the question of why then you might want to research who founded the Department of Education.
LastCynicStanding 3 years ago
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hoakzie 2 years ago
This maybe why I see more and more chimps on the streets of New York challenging the humans to a quick game of three card monty.
AquaCarb 3 years ago
It's only 1 experiment. Can't say they are 100% right
ramasosa 3 years ago
chimps outperforming college students? i think too many brain cells are being killed by booze
solfegg 3 years ago
I actually tried this test once. It's not really hard if you get used to it!
Dialgadude 3 years ago
Reason in opposition to memory makes a whole lot of sense because when you reconstruct the past in your mind, past experience, logic, and emotions play a part in painting the "reality" of a memory. Perhaps we make ourselves less able to connect to memory efficiently by clouding it with judgment...
jinkinsl 3 years ago
i remember playing a memory game with a kid once... i lost to a kid at the age of 11 and i was 15. now shes at age of 15 and i am at 19, i beaten her. The older you are the more life experience and emotions you have, which may distract you from many other task your brain wants to preform. just a thought... i know im no sciencetist
ahhotdog 3 years ago
if that's the case, then why would you beat her the second time? you're still older
goodtimes245 3 years ago
Because...I have better memory than her...she is just smarter when she have no worries.. now she does, so it distracts her more... since we both are older now, my distractions are not so much different from her. so, it shows i have better memory overall.
ahhotdog 3 years ago
well judging by this comment you are probably the smartest person there ever was.
fbsau 3 years ago
fbsau, learn to read, heaven's sake.
kaisergrendel 3 years ago
sarcasm babe!
fbsau 3 years ago
I, for one, welcome our new monkey overlords.
macrobug 3 years ago 6
chimps 1 humans 0
tom101086 3 years ago
I think you mean
chimps 1 humans 856211041332558.9
Talk for yourself
redangel745 3 years ago
I was merely referring to the headline run by the BBC regarding that story...why so snappy redangel?...too busy doing front flips I imagine.
Must agree with macrobug though.
tom101086 3 years ago
Wow yeah like jus saw this on the telly today.
Astonishing, really.
urquiza78 3 years ago
now i feel inferior to something we supposedly evolved from...so then did we evolve or de evolve, even though we do have reason...i guess its a matter of opinion
ushdr 3 years ago
Nobody supposes that we 'evolved from' the chimpanzee. Humans and chimpanzees instead are part of the same 'family' (Hominidae) - they share a quite recent common ancestor from which the evolutionary split (speciation) occurred around seven million years ago.
Think of a family tree: humans and chimpanzees are on the _same_ horizontal level. The chimps are our _cousins_.
Look up Hominidae on Wikipedia for more info.
1685JSB1750 3 years ago 5
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They are only great at short term memory.
dodgerfreak0834 3 years ago
so then....a chimp could theoretically learn to play piano
Mrmtjones 3 years ago 4
Humans are a reasoning species; They aren't innately, instinctually inspired to memorize anything, because humans can only survive through reason and though. Chimps, on the other hand, generally come with the knowledge to think at this perspective quickly, just around birth, because they have yet to evolve from the thoughtlessness of instinct. It's necessary for their survival to do such a thing; However, it isn't for us. Those that learn to memorize that quickly developed it themselves.
raphaelfaunus 3 years ago 2
It might not be a specie thing. People in preliterate tribes are known to memorise songs that last hours to sing out in languages that they don't understand. Maybe reason is somehow in opposition to memory, but it's probably more nurture than nature. How would an Aborigine do in this test?
LikeAPossum 3 years ago
Good lets see the sorry beasts get jobs and pay for their own food and boarding.
jezuzfreek777 3 years ago
haha
EDITquette 3 years ago
they seem to do just fine for themself in the wild- you know, where they belong. it's usually man's interaction with them that causes trouble. they don't have to pay for food, they know no fear or dred of bills to pay or matters to attend to... hmm. who's the real sorry beasts here? but, with a name like that, and beliefs that no doubt match it, some stupid and pointless remark like that was expected.
:B
tswyd 3 years ago 2
Technically, any animal that lives for very long has to have some sort of a job that pays for food and boarding - whether in the wild or not. The chimps in the movie clearly do have jobs - they're research subjects and get paid in food and boarding. The fact that actual money isn't involved in that exchange is just a matter of perspective.
Avalikia 3 years ago 3
Humans most likeley lost this ability when they learnt language and communeication, for some odd reason o.o
harvmiester1 4 years ago
I think humans can do it too if they have an incentive. There aren't so many number shown anyway so I don't think it's really impossible. Actually it's easy. Just look at the numbers as a collection of numbers rather than recognizing them one by one It's like when we recognize a face we do not focus on the details (nose, ears, eyes) but the face itself. Or like when reading words, we do not look at each letter. Well something like that.
bastee0611 4 years ago 2
its not easy its too fast,
meloooooooong 4 years ago
the test shows the numbers flash up at (among other speeds) about a quarter of a second. this is too fast for the human eye movement to scan across the screen taking in the info. the chimps can do it becasue its almost like a photographic memory.. so it wouldnt be possible for humans, unless that was some sort of rare onomoly, luck, or repeated attempts at the same pattern. surely..?
bencapgras 3 years ago
I have a feeling the the chimps have been trained to do this type of task more than the human subjects, were. That being said, I don't discount the statement that chimp brains are better developed to accomplish tasks such as these.
mykevelli 3 years ago
WOW, (Subhana Allah),
Thats amazing ! I couldn't catch all the numbers man, that so weird!
YousefAB 4 years ago
when chimps evolve, we are doomed
JasonLightfoot 4 years ago
We are evolved chimps
juanniyo 4 years ago
this video indicates that we have devolved lol
davo878 3 years ago 4
very true
jezuzfreek777 3 years ago
Well, not necesarilly. As humans we have developed other skills that we needed to become what we are while losing the traits we didn't need. Chimps are much faster than us, can find food, are stronger and for some reason they need a very good short term memory. Meanwhile, no animal has such great environment understanding as we do. Also we have the most developed hands.
When we say evolve, we mean that we are adapted chimps, with a few skills changed, some are better, other worse.
juanniyo 3 years ago
i saw this on Richard and Judy.
Richard and Judy are immense
sasquatch7000 4 years ago
Savants aren't smart. They're just simple.
Prometheus666333 4 years ago
chimps have hair all over their body and are funny on tv. So why isn't Tom Selleck funny?
joe64716 4 years ago 3
I think it's simply the fact that the chimps brain isn't cluttered with so much junk like a human brain is.
AlexClarke01 4 years ago 2
I noticed something that might explain why the monkeys did better. After each test, I could see the monkeys getting a peanut. The humans did not receive a peanut.
johnnybermo 4 years ago 20
lol
Geprodis 4 years ago
Zee roffles.
lopolo42 4 years ago
lol!
ipnotistis 4 years ago
lol! :))
bastee0611 4 years ago
Damn dirty apes...they desire nothing less than world domination!!
Geprodis 4 years ago 4
sounds like Oprah's new movie... they just might win the debate!
3rdknukl 4 years ago
You also have to factor in that the younger chimps have been doing it since they were born... If I had to memorize numbers since my birth I think I'd be pretty good at it too O.o
Superst1ckman 4 years ago
not since they were born
laurens890 4 years ago 2
but for a long time... it takes ages to teach chimps something and they tend to get a little obsessed after
Hoooyeeeaaah321 4 years ago 2
Merry Christmas!
BeechSundowner 4 years ago
Merry Christmas!
ArthBHx 4 years ago
We're all doomed!
JohnnyFavorite 4 years ago 4
So its understandable at least to me how they can score much better in these types of tests.
mburch1974 4 years ago
Our only predators are ourselves and we have a judicial system to help protect us from crime. Save alien abduction we are pretty much inclined to do what we want without fear of being eaten or probed. Monkeys still have these innate features intact and to a much more extended degree. They need to remember all the hiding places they place food because of scavengers, and they dont have malls or food outlets like we do.
mburch1974 4 years ago
both have atrophied via fastfood and shopping malls. We eat at fast-food restaurants,order delivery pizza and buy clothes we arent going to wear more than 6 months.
mburch1974 4 years ago
People today have gotten very lazy with the passage of time and technolgy, in terms of awareness; surroundings which includes foraging and the inherent dangers thereof:
mburch1974 4 years ago
i actually got them all except for the 1st one.
i guess i'm more chimp than human....
the chimp has probably been doing this for months if not years. Its been trained to do this.
give a person enough time, and they can do it too.
aliasnode2 4 years ago
did you also got the ones the human did in this clip?
laurens890 4 years ago
If you search on youtube for "ayumu chimpanzee" you can find a very interesting clip about this test and the juvenile chimpanzee with the excellent memory.
yutubertje 4 years ago
What i think it is, is that animals have different abilities, AKA, we are all around more intellegent and more advanced whereas chimps have better memories along with being primative. am i ryt?
numanumagirls 4 years ago
What rewards were the chimps receiving as opposed to the humans? Isn't motivation a major factor in operant conditioning? E.g. would a well fed chimp's memory perform as well as an incredibly hungry human's?
Answers on a postcard ;-)
whirlpoolzend 4 years ago
even with sufficient motivation, tht task is well outside most humans "normal range" of abilities
jb31975 4 years ago
Truly fascinating stuff jb. (thx)
Man has still SO much to learn about himself...
whirlpoolzend 4 years ago
funny is, that baby chimps seen to have better eidetic(photographic memory) than adult chimps and humans. however human children have better eidetic memory but lose it as they grow up, i suspect because we're trained out of it
jb31975 4 years ago
This is a whole branch of psychology I've yet to explore. I've often wondered how early childhood conditioning to (say) read & write may effect other processes of learning...including our faculty of memory.
Maybe we learn all the linguistic 'short-cuts' at the expense of