Stu Ungar in his last WSOP

[adsy999]

was a sunny day so they decided to have the final table poolside haha

[MrJonnyboy36]

LuckBox :D

[congressman1982]

this is skill.. 3time champion



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[memyselfandeye3]

i aggree "ggnub", they do say that skill outruns luck but a good run of luck can sometimes outrun luck, swings and roundabouts really, but the highly skilled player does ---usually---rise to the top....but luck helps :)

[memyselfandeye3]

Yes, Stuey had a buy-in and was backed by his close friend and backer Billy Baxter of his 1997 event in 1998, baxter rang stuey up in his hotel room, but stuey said he felt " too tired " and didnt want to play, therefore he did enter the 1998 event but did not turn up or sit at the table to play , a real shame ...

[memyselfandeye3]

Is luck LUCK, or is it calculated odds ? bit of both? : Discuss...

[ggnub100]

@memyselfandeye3 Sometimes I feel the same way. To say that your winnings are all attributed from skill is silly. At the end of the day I ask myself was what I did luck or skill? I tend to tell myself it was skill but I know sometimes I run better than other days.

[memyselfandeye3]

Stu Ungar had no equal, he was the ultimate cardplayer, in gin rummy and no limit poker : the GREATEST of all time. Bar none. Period.

[willftalbot]

the fact that he made the decision to to race against what he probably thought was a bigger hand held by his opponent to win the tournament right there required skill. You don't want your opponent to gain momentum and sometimes taking 40% chances or worse for the knockout when you have a strong chip lead is the correct decision.

[boylston1276]

@willftalbot first off, this isnt a race, stu is a 70-30 dog. what you say about taking chances is right, it isnt in this situation. If stu knew, or even thought, he was up against a bigger A he wouldnt have raised. A's heads up is a great hand. most of the time his opponent wont have an A and he will take it down right there.

[superdave31]

this wasnt actually his last wsop he went in 1998 but didnt turn up i think

[enolaniaga]

Now..think about this...for those people saying that Ungar played this hand perfectly , I bet if UNGAR knew his opponent was a 70 % fav to win , and his opponet was gonna call ungars all in, I bet Ungar would not have made his preflop play , because Ungar was a major underdog and put alot of chips at risk as a underdog.

[enolaniaga]

Dont get me wrong.. Ungar is one of my favorite players because I feel he was so great of a player, but THIS HAND, he played WRONGLY and got lucky and WON and therefore won his 3rd WSOP title. In order to win a WSOP tourney, you need LUCK ON YOUR SIDE ALSO. you cannot win these tourneys on skill alone, because sooner or later you have to put most of your chips at risk on a COIN FLIP HAND..thats not skill..thats LUCK,.

[enolaniaga]

LUCK IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS GAME...EXAMPLE :

all in preflop hand :

10 Clubs / 10 hearts

vs

A/Q SPADES

a basic coin flip hand , and whoever wins that hand, won because of LUCK..not skill. common fucking sense . Both players are all in preflop, so they have locked themselves into a hand where they are at the mercy of the luck of the flop/turn river.

[enolaniaga]

There is a certain irony to Ungars life. He once said " show me a good loser in poker, and I will show you a person that is a loser " . The irony is, Ungar was a loser, in the game of life. But I agree he was the best gin player ever, and in the top 3 of best N.L. hold em players of all time. But once again, if you dont have a decent amount of LUCK in hold em, you will not be a WSOP winner nowadays because the field of players are so large. You cannot beat 6,000 players with skill alone.

[enolaniaga]

If you dont have luck in this game, you will NEVER win a wsop toruney. You cant win these tourneys on skill alone...In the course of one of these tourneys, one will have to win every all in hand they play , whether its a 50/50 hand or a hand where they are a large underdog... that is not SKILL..that is pure luck. Besides, any game where you can put all your chips in preflop , on just 14% of your total hand { 2 out of 7 cards] proves the luck involved.

[enolaniaga]

This hand, is 100% proof { like millions of other hands played} that tourney No limit hold em is largely LUCK . Many of the WSOP winners only won because they went all in with hands that they were a 70 % or more underdog, but got VERY LUCKY to win that hand and hit a miracle card. Stu proves it here...and Chris Moneymaker proved it when he put all his chips in on the flop with a medium pair when his opponent had pocket aces and Monymkaer hit his miracle card on the turn.

[nickgen123]

ok so stu had A-4 but what was the other guys hand ???

[ARMEDSh0t]

@nickgen123 A 8

[memyselfandeye3]

so ONE singular hand defines a true genius, eh JTNugget? if you have brains enough, which you dont, to analyse the hand properly, Stuey had plenty of outs, not just what the commentators reduce it too, all kinds of opportunities to improve, learn how to play poker first before you try to critisize one of its TRUE GREATS....

[Yamakashi1]

Gabe Kaplan is a fukin looser but he lived exactly where he should've lived at the time where he still could've get in by knowing the middle guy ,the players, being cool with people

hes a nice guy

[JTNugget]

lol At Stu being the best player ever. He SEVERLY overplayed his hand here and sucked out to win. Not a great example of his prowess.

[enolaniaga]

Now, in GIN RUMMY stu WAS THE GREATEST SKILL PLAYER ,ever...gin is much more skill then crap shoot no limit hold em. A person cannot be a legendary hold em player on skill alone...THEY MUST have the luck to accompany it., This video proves it....and so does the fact that the last 10 years of the WSOP have seen no name amateur players win it ALL ! If it was just a skill game, then only the PROS would be winning it.

[NegreanuDan33]

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[superdave31]

uhmm this isnt the last wsop he was in? and quite clearly hes not over doeat the table?sed hes sitting

[MultiCrazyal]

see the look on the other guys face "like is this a fix" lmoa

[jtilak]

stu ungar the bruce lee of poker

[dannyoo2]

@jtilak yea but stu ungar is so legendary that you don't say that "stu was the bruce lee of poker" you say "bruce lee was the stu ungar of karate" but everyone knows that if stu could turn his skills into karate he would destroy bruce lee

[francescoivrea]

1997

[Patricio87]

Ivey vs ungar would have been a great match

[dannyoo2]

@Patricio87 in the future don't ever put someone's name next to stu ungar's name in a sentence. he would obviously flat out destroy phil ivey, phil is a good guy but don't ever compare him to the guy that destroyed everyone with this game, not even for a joke

[stuzaza]

who is other commentator, not Gabe? sounds like Doyle B

[somethinrather]

haha $1,000,000 in CASH

[ModeLTU]

Stu was truly one of a kind.

He was like in TOTALLY different level..

But with a talent comes a negative side and that was addiction to drugs which messed him up..

[SuperJumpback]

@ModeLTU YOU ARE SO RIGHT --THAT IS A SHAME -- (WAS IT THE WAY HE WAS BROUGHT UP??

[julesickdrums]

that's one epic win

[Alexjelegenda]

Stu was the best poker player

[enolaniaga]

@Alexjelegenda

Stu was great at hold em, but as this video proves, you MUST have luck also. Stu put all his money in as a underdog, drawing dead to 7 cards in the deck . He hit his miracle card to win it all . THAT IS NOT SKILL...it is not skill to misread your opponent , put all your chips in with the worst hand, and be a big underdog, and hit your magic card.

[ARMEDSh0t]

@enolaniaga Damn you're dumb as fuck. You assume he misread his opponent like he was an idiot or some shit

[enolaniaga]

@ARMEDSh0t

LOL..so you are saying Ungar put all his chips at risk, knowing he was a 70% underdog on the flop ? LOL..and you think thats a sign that Ungar is the greatest player ever ?

[ARMEDSh0t]

@enolaniaga Made over 30 million in his life time, only player ever to win WSOP 3 times by talent not by vote, only player to win Amarillo Slim's SBOP 3 times.

Sup bitch

[enolaniaga]

@ARMEDSh0t

We all know that , and it doesnt change the facts I stated about LUCK. You cannot win these types of tourneys without a certain amount of good luck on your side. A person has to win ALL of their all in hands to win one of these..which means there will be coin flip hands that are 50/50 and hands where one is a underdog, and they MUST win those hands in order to win it all..THAT IS LUCK..not skill...a coin flip hand is LUCK..not skill. Do you not understand that ?

[ARMEDSh0t]

@enolaniaga Lol you're so angry

[enolaniaga]

@ARMEDSh0t

sounds like you dont have a argument about luck being a significant factor in N.L. hold em tourneys , so you can only attack me ..now thats really LOL.

[bsamusement]

@enolaniaga NOT AT ALL!! This goes to show how much more you need to learn about poker before you go running your mouth. You are absolutely 100% wrong about your statement.

[bsamusement]

@enolaniaga how could he put all his chips at risk and be the winner of the tourney in the same hand unless they were perfectly even in stack sizes you dumbass!

[enolaniaga]

@bsamusement

dude, this isnt compicated at ALL ! Ungar went all in with a hand that he was a LARGE underdog and in which his opponent was WAY AHEAD and a large favorite to win. UNGAR GOT VERY LUCKY THIS HAND. He did the WRONG play AT THE right time and GOOD LUCK came his way. Very simple and truthful. 

[bsamusement]

@enolaniaga That's not the point, UNGER HAD A HUGE CHIP LEAD AND PUT HIM ALL IN! Unger was not the one at risk to lose the tourney and no matter what hand he was up against besides 24 he could still win the hand.

[enolaniaga]

@bsamusement

yes, ungar had chip lead...and if UNGAR LOSES THE HAND, LIKE HE SHOULDA , THEN HE PROBABLY DOESNT WIN THE TORUNEY... proving once again...that LUCK was a major factor in this hand...like so many other hands in these toruneys...these toruenys are largely based upon people putting much of their chips at risk , when they are a underdog....

[dannyoo2]

@enolaniaga son, go to google and read about stu ungar before you talk about his legendary playing style. He could remember the order of 6 decks of cards in 30 seconds, he actually won $100.000 when a casino owner bet him the he couldn't. His IQ was so high that an average individual like yourself cannot discuss any of the moves that he made, because of his super intellectual though process composition behind it. And he actually knew what cards were coming.

[enolaniaga]

@dannyoo2

I know more about Ungar then you ever will. I met him and even have a signed autograph from him.

[dannyoo2]

@enolaniaga First you share you retarded logic insight about his playing style and claim he played bad, now you act like a fanboy because you probably read his legendary stories on Google and realized that a person with your intelligence is just a ridiculous retard compared to his super genius approach. why don't you go play bridge and shut the fuck up or something, homo

[foreverguga]

@dannyoo2

And again. I suggest you look for a good psychotherapist to talk about your obsessive compulsive tendencies

[MATUSOWNED]

Gabe Kaplan,he goes WAY back in the industry! ( Commentator)

[fritzov]

Gabe Kaplan played high stacke poker against Stu Ungar in the 70th's and 80th's. Gabe Kaplan is not very new on the poker scene.

[Yamakashi1]

@MATUSOWNED hes like 200 years old, he goes way back in everything

[memyselfandeye3]

stuey RULES THE ROOST!, the rest are on a wing and a prayer! ( poor suckers are fighting it out for 2nd place, if they but knew it) GO STUEY!!! :)

[spjagoff]

he was an incredible player. imagine if he never took drugs! and helmuth thinks he's something lol

[MATUSOWNED]

Ungar would STILL be in the top 10 of players in the industry. Christ, the good ones go so quick.

[popeye135]

helmuth is something believe me

[memyselfandeye3]

not a suck out, stuey had a good idea what was coming, remember his incredible memory and mathamatical ability, plus he was 1980 wsop with a 1to 5 wheel also, this man was a true card-playing genius!

[amaizenblue]

Oh, give me a break. He's not a friggin psychic. His ability to remember cards comes into play during Gin and other games like seven card stud. But he never saw 85 percent of this deck, so how is his memory going to help him here, hmm?

[PhanatixDDH]

His memory wouldn't help there. He obviously wasn't 100% sure what the other guy had, so he moved in, and knew that if he was wrong he'd still have outs.

Worked out in the end..not a perfect play but still best NLH tournament player ever.

[shitearl88]

If im not mistaking, his chip lead was so big, one of the speakers on his ESPN sports century said, it was like a lion destroying a bunch of chickens.

[SerialThrillr]

a tiger, but you're right

[bullhead30]

no he didnt play in 98 his backer cant remember his name. got his money back minutes before the tournament started

[amaizenblue]

Ridiculous. The guy was an amazing player....but he's not a wizard from another dimension.

[bighorns101]

he might be god but that was a horrible raise but got lucky, he will only be called if he's beat and will fold out a worse hand

[furialatino]

ye but heads up most of the time, ur dealt an A, ur ahead. thats why the 4 kicker 2 him didn't really faze him right?

[bambambhoy]

stu unger poker god

[BriDirt]

1997...... but looks like 1970

[DutchCourageWhoohoo]

lol, yeah for real

[psycho6661]

I love Mr. Kotter's enthusiasm

[here2LQQk]

this video is shit , research it for better footage ....

[bpeterson2734]

No, he never played in the 98 WSOP. 10 minutes before the Main Event started, he decided he was to blown out to play.

WPT is way better. They actually show the game of poker. They talk about strategies and show those strategies being carried out. WSOP only shows the all in hands and occasionally others.

[hovdeeee]

many more pros comes to WPT too, and theres no easy tables even in hte beginning

[bpeterson2734]

There is no such thing as "easy tables" anywhere you go. It's all about the cards. You can be the best player in the world, but that doesn't mean squat if your opponent outdraws you. Why do you think Negreanu, Hellmuth, Greenstein, and Cunningham aren't in EVERY final table? People say it's all about playing the player not the cards, but even if you play perfect poker you won't always come out on top.

[hovdeeee]

well, theres no reason to get upset "bpeterson2734" i just wrote what Moneymaker said in an interviev, when he got questioned on whats the hardest tournament to win, and without doubt he answered WPT, because theres more pros attending and not just ppl with enough money who wants to be a part of WSOP ME. And why do u even comment on pros beeing in every finaltable? did i write anything about that? sounds like uve just been outdrawed by someone better than u.

[bpeterson2734]

lol I was never upset about it, well maybe a little because you are correct (I DID get outdrawn last night!! a few times haha), but I was pretty drunk when I came back from the casino and I got the e-mail and saw the comment that you posted, so being the drunken mess that I was I saw that as a source of venting lol. Looking at it now, I see it as just another drunken rambling from moi.

[bpeterson2734]

I'm not sure if that last comment even posted correctly. I have to post it in 2 comments now because of the 500 limit. Here's the last part:

Since you seem to know this stuff a little I'll ask you this: do you think Stu Ungar was the cause of the decline in gin rummy?

If you don't respond that's cool, but I think it's a pretty interesting topic.

[martinjr85]

stu unger was the best gin rummy player ever, people would actualy state that the would not participate in a rummy tourny of stu was in it!

as far as the decline of it, i just think holdem took over everything, because it allowed players to use more skill and mathematics instead of reling on mostly luck.

[SilentBob20]

Truth is this isn't his last WSOP. He played the 1998 WSOP before his death. So this video is his second to last WSOP.

[nevler035]

actually no he didnt play in 1998

[R1v3r3d]

he never played WSOP in 1998 he said he wasn't going to play right before the tournament started

[bash8000]

i love stu, the greatest ever, but this was suck out city!!!

[nolnic]

no he definitely played, but couldn't finish the tournament due to his drugs

[souljas4321]

i prefer the general whole atmosphere in these games than the more modern WPT setups for final table..in my opinion all the WPT lights etc look stupid..the tense atmosphere in the crowd, and the crowd being so near to the players makes the old school style better

[HIGHSTAKESPKRDOTCOM]

I agree... Minus the smoking becuse it bothers my lungs. I played under lights once and hated it. You would like the professional poker tour except once agina the lights at the final table... I like how they show many small hands.