Family Values

[Charlenejl]

what is this woman's name?

[ClarksonsinUSA]

Abortion is murder....

[SuburbiaSurvivor]

"Abortion is a dead issue!"

Yet 90% of these comments are pro-life.

[ClarksonsinUSA]

@SuburbiaSurvivor actually the opposite is true...Read more..

[kimjam100]

stop killing the unborn babies! It is Not a form of "Birth Control". Just like the abortion mills that call abortion "reproductive surgery", whats reproductive about it. Whats being re-Produced? A DEAD BABY? Millions of women who have had abortions are suffering depression and even suicide!

[jrspike2ya]

Andrew, care to provide a little context for your comments directed at me? What do you mean '... someone who is sane'? Further, can you tell everyone please what side you're on, pro-life, or pro-killing of babies in the womb? If it's the former, then we are on the same side of this argument. If you're for the latter, then please state a little more clearly how you disagree with me.

[Patriot3332]

If they dont want the baby HAVE IT ADOPTED! You dont have to kill someone just because you dont want them.

[MsCampobasso]

What a smear against saving the life of our future children! The pro deathers use the ole "rape" termage to push their death agenda. Less than 2% of abortions are a result of rape and Plan Parenthood knows it. they even lie and cover up under age childrens abortions. They should be SHUT DOWN IMMEDIATELY! They have scammed the insurance companies, and they don't give a damn about the terrible repercussions the women have from killing their babies! SAVE THE BABIES! KEEP YOUR BABIES/ ADOPTION TOO!

[lambchopclmt]

@MsCampobasso Xd you do realize it has been PROVEN more than half of women who are raped do not report it. PP and other's have stated that 2% statistic is FALSE. More women are raped than they ever admit. that 2% is bs and pro lifers who claim it as fact need to either stop lieing or educate themselves.

[LordS3F]

Would anyone here adopt a rape baby? I mean eww yuck that baby needs to be killed stat.

Even a rape baby can be a blessing to our world it's all about perspective we are all just nearsighted.

[myname89yearsago]

the thing that gets me the most is that these people who are pro-life are also for the death penalty! they save life with one hand, while crushing it with the other!

[crosscountryfanatic7]

@myname

what really gets me is that people who are pro-choice will kill an innocent baby, but let a convicted murderer walk.

[myname89yearsago]

@crosscountry

personally i wouldn't make that choice, but i can understand where your coming from. everyone hates hypocrisy.

[crosscountryfanatic7]

@myname

yeah, I guess so.

[lambchopclmt]

@myname89yearsago couldnt agree more!!

[Vicatiti65]

Im a devout christian and i am pro choice

[eatenbyyou]

abortion is a dead issue (no pun intended lol!!!) most people in america believe it should be allowed.

[lancelovesgolf101]

@eatenbyyou

You go out and personally poll every American, then we'll talk.

[lilgucciification]

@eatenbyyou i apologize but i believe that it is the opposite that everyone believes it unethical and unfair for the baby to be denied a chance at life

[Mehandstuff]

haha what the fuck i know your dumb whore daughter got raped because she was wearing stupid slut clothes but does that give you the right 2 KILL!!!!!!!!!!

[YourHumanRights]

I love killing my children for my own convenience. I want to give my future children birth defects. I love breast cancer. I love paying children to talk about red herrings on youtube. I love making money crushing skulls and stopping hearts. I love grinding little bodies into the sewer system. I love preterm birth later in life. I love cerebral palsy in children. I love lying and keeping women in the dark. I love birth defects. I love Planned Parenthood.

[Jbrothersojd]

For all you pro-choice people, when judgement day comes, and God asks you why you thought it was okay for HIS CHILDREN to be murdered and why you thought your were worthy of living where as millions of children couldn't. What are you going to say to God, who suffered more pain than anyone in this world, because he loves us. What are you going to say. God gave life, not death.

[eatenbyyou]

I'm not saying anything to him because he doesn't exist, duh. Once you die thats it, there's gonna be nothing for you on the other side so stop wasting your time moron.

[BenJEMean]

lets see if your still preaching if "god forbid" (coming from an athiest) one of your children get raped, would you keep the rapists baby at 16?

[MyChoiceNotUrs]

SHUT UP. that comment was the biggest load of crap EVER omg, your so annying, you're freakin nauseating. not everyone believes what you do. which brings up another point. its just a belief. a fricken belief, an idea.

[Obelisk155]

Funny you said that, because, many of the bloodiest wars in history were because of God and your religion.

[ericaj58]

there is no god.

[DizzyDior12]

I... wish this woman had blinked.

[sicktoaster]

Once u mentioned kids I pointed out correctly that u can kick your kids out of your house. 2 me Kicking out just means making someone leave. It does NOT mean there is no formal process u have 2 go thru so mayb my choice of words caused a misunderstanding. As it is nobody is forced to continue 2 hold custody of children. Any1 can go put them up 4 adoption.

Again I need more space... Please wait till I have made at least 1 more comment.

[jrspike2ya]

dear sick.... you're not correct. You cannot simply kick kids, yours or anyone else's, out of your house. You will be arrested, and jailed, depending on the age of the 'child'. Furthermore, you cannot simply place your children up for adoption. There's a lot of professional assessment that will be mandated to discover the reason behind the actions of he parents..

[sicktoaster]

And to elaborate nowhere did I say you could kick out kids at your leisure. In my analogy I was thinking of roommates living without a rental contract in a house that you own.

[jrspike2ya]

dear sick... actually, you did elude to kicking kids out of your house. You're now being very revisionistic. Regarding your attempt at an analogy; again, you try to make a point that's apples to oranges. How do you equate, on any level, a baby or child, with a contractual agreement for living arrangements? And, I guess, equating a house with a womb? Please sick, stop being so ignorant, it's unbecoming of you.

[sicktoaster]

It was hard 2 find my original post the first time u replied 2 me so I actually thought I had mentioned kids in the 1st post but I hadnt. Go up & reread it if u have 2. I no its a pain trying 2 find them. youtube should include what is being replied 2 when notifying ppl of comments. In my original post there was nothing about a contract(ppl do live in other ppls houses w/o contracts) & nothing about kids.

Please wait till theres at least 1 more post b4 responding. I have 2 much 4 1 post.

[sicktoaster]

Sorry if u didnt notice the 2nd part of my reply. I hadnt put it under here. But it should right next 2 the other one on YouTube. Here's part 3.

If anything u compare apples & oranges. When I made my analogy u brought up how landlords cant just kick out tenants. Do fetuses carry contracts 2? NO they dont. Expelling a fetus is > analogous to kicking out a roommate(no contract) than 2 a landlord expelling a tenant.

Please wait till I have posted part 4.

[sicktoaster]

A house is NOT identical 2 a womb but the reason that gives a person the right 2 kick out a roommate as long as there's no contract that says otherwise even if its in the middle of nowhere during a blizzard the roommate has no chance of surviving is the same reason 4 allowing a woman to remove her fetus from her body even tho it has no chance of surviving outside. The reason is that it belongs 2 the person & there4 the person has the right 2 decide what is allowed in it. Ready 4 part 5?

[sicktoaster]

Part 5...

A persons body obviously belongs 2 them even more than a piece of property. There4 if we reject the idea that ppl can decide what is allowed in their bodies we must reject the idea that ppl can decide what is allowed on their property. 2 do otherwise is logically inconsistent.

As 4 apples & oranges kicking a kid out(w/ no formal adoption/foster care process) would NOT be analogous since its possible 2 remove the kid from the parents care but make sure they continue...(2 part 6)

[jrspike2ya]

First of all, you're logic is unquestionably flawed. This is not even debatable. However, I'll challenge you with your own flawed logic. If you think abortion is ok because a woman can do what she wants with her body... well what about the baby? Doesn't the babies instincts to survive and live qualify as 'doing what it wants with its body'? Shouldn't it be allowed to live, as it clearly wants to. The babies body is only IN the mother, it doesn't belong to the mother, but the mother is responsibl

[sicktoaster]

Regardless the woman shouldn't have to allow any person to be inside of her body that she doesn't to. It's unfortunate that if the baby is removed from her body it dies, but nobody has the right to live off another person's resources without their continuing consent(before you bring up child custody requiring a formal process to make sure a person is still getting their resources from somewhere is OK and the person's right to their resources isn't violated). Now I ran out of room again. Hold on.

[sicktoaster]

2nd part-If it was possible for the baby to be removed and then kept alive in an artificial womb that would be great. Unfortunately that's not possible. If you want to stop abortion then support ectogenesis(artificial womb) research. Then the woman can choose whether or not to have the fetus/baby in her body but the baby can still live regardless. Women are going to get abortions whether it's legal or not. The only way to stop it is to replace it with ectogenesis.

[sicktoaster]

...2 b cared 4. The parents right 2 decide who is allowed in their house is preserved. They just have 2 go thru a process instead of doing it immediately. However w/ a fetus unfortunately there is no way 2 remove it w/o killing it. Its still her body tho so she should b allowed 2 remove it. If it was possible 2 remove a fetus but keep it alive Id support requiring that procedure rather than abortion & they r working on it. Its called ectogenesis. When its available I'll support banning abortion.

[mandim93]

Rape is evil but so is Murder!

[DooDahDooDah]

It's a women's choice whether she want's to abort or not, for whatever reason she has.

It's hers [and her partners to an extent], but it's not ours, her family's or the governments. You take away that and you are taking away the basic right to freedom of choice.

[jrspike2ya]

Get you freedoms straight. There is no such right to choice. It's not in the Constitution, it's not in the Magna Carta. The only rights are God given, and include LIfe (unborn babies included), and Liberty. What if some day someone decides that your life is unnecessary, and wants to kill You? Should anyone intervene on your behalf, should you be unable to prevent your murder? After all, it's their choice to kill you, right?

[leiapeison]

not in the constitution? the 14th amendment outlaws slavery and involuntary servitude. forcing pregnancy is the cruelest form of slavery that can exist. once again god has nothing to do with secular law. there is a differance between killing with malice and terminating a pregnancy due restore one's bodily control and overall wellbeing. the unborn do not have rights to my body unless i deam that they do.

[jrspike2ya]

Anyone with half a brain knows that the 14th amendment frees black slaves of the 19th century, and ensures that no race will be enslaved going forward. Once again, you try to mince words by calling pregnancy something that it isn't. By your very logic, you are a slave to your limited thinking. I am a slave to the concept of justice and freedom for all. Justice for those who are most in need of it, the unborn baby.

[leiapeison]

its outlaws slavery of any kind. imposing something as life changing as pregnancy on an unwilling woman is indeed a form of slavery. if you understood the effects of trauma and how far reaching this type of crime goes, you would realize the cruelty of robbing her of a choice in this. i have spoken to rape victims who have gotten pregnant including a good friend of mine. i have seen the effects of what you would want to force on them. it would be unconsciouable.

[jrspike2ya]

The only enslavement is self-induced by the mother. After all, the government didn't force her to have sex, did they? She knew the consequences, didn't she? Don't try the rape or incest argument either please, because they amount less then half of half of 1%.

[leiapeison]

this video is not about consensual pregnancy it is about rape-induced pregnancy. 16000 rape victims have abortions every year in the US alone. these women arnt mindless baby factories with no interest in self governance at all. they are flesh and blood human beings who need all their options available to them so they can move on with their lives as best they are able. for some that means continuing a pregnancy for others it means terminating. whatever the woman decides is what is best for her.

[jrspike2ya]

You know those numbers are not accurate. The fact is that many woman provide the excuse of rape or incest as the reason they're seeking abortion. If they were legit, they'd be legally prosecuted. This detracts from the actual woman who need serious council after trauma. These outrageous and false numbers are also used by groups such as the hideous planned parenthood to try to demonstrate the 'Need' for more abortions. Again, what about what's best for the innocent party, the baby?

[sicktoaster]

So if I give someone permission to stay in my house I shouldn't be allowed to kick them out?

[jrspike2ya]

Can you explain what you mean precisely? I want to understand, what I believe is your analogy, in the right context before I respond.

[sicktoaster]

Saying that a woman has no right to an abortion if she has sex (& invites the baby in) is the equivalent of saying a homeowner has no right 2 kick somebody out after accepting them in. Its her body just like its the homeowners home. Its just like if there was a terrible blizzard & u threw people out in the middle of nowhere & they had virtually no chance of survival in the cold. Since its your home its legal even if u let them in in the 1st place. Your body belongs 2 u even more than your home.

[jrspike2ya]

Sicktoaster, your analogy is dumb. There's no moral equivalence. I did find it interesting that you referred to conception as 'mother inviting baby in'. Now why would mommy want to kick out baby? What could baby possibly have done wrong? There's no acceptable excuse. In addition to your analogy being dumb, it's also inaccurate. For example, landlords can't throw out dead-beat tenants in the winter. Parents can't throw out children under 18, legally. Hum... but they do sometimes, illegally.

[jrspike2ya]

No dummy. You're not allowed to throw out your minor children; that would be child abuse. In fact, there are many instances where you're not allowed to throw anyone out of your house. Get yourself some education if you really want to contribute with any substance.

[sicktoaster]

Point 1-Landlords have contracts w/ tenants. If u invited someone in2 ur house w/o a contract (roommate) u could kick them out whenever u want.

Point 2-U can kick them out. Just u need 2 follow a formal process called adoption where the child goes 2 another family. If fetuses could be placed in artificial wombs & adopted 2 somebody else Id support requiring that. Thats coming its called ectogenesis. Until then though on the same principle as eviction a woman should have a right to an abortion.

[leiapeison]

parents are allowed to give their children away. parents kick out kids all the time. what more personal dwelling does one have than their own body? if they cant get to decide what gets to stay in it and what stays out, what can they decide? where can they be free? what kind of liberty could they ever enjoy?

[jrspike2ya]

You need to learn to use analogies properly. They're inequalities in terms of morality, physically, or mentally. Anyway genius, you're NOT allowed to just kick kids out of you home, especially babies, infants, toddlers, or under age children. You'd go to prison for that. Why do I have to explain common f*****g sense to you people? Are you that insanely stupid? Why do you continually make a fool of yourself? Say something logical, just once, if possible.

[sicktoaster]

As I already pointed out you can get rid of your kids by putting them up for adoption. No, you can't just kick them out in a second but you can file papers and then they go to another family or to foster care. I wouldn't encourage parents to do that just like I wouldn't encourage them to have abortions, but I think both should remain legally available options.

[jrspike2ya]

Nice try... you didn't already point out anything. You were quite convinced that a grown up can simply kick someone out at their leisure. I proved you wrong, and you backed off your idiotic position, oh but not until some ignorant people read your foolish comments, and think it's true. Now you're singing a different tune.. foster care, another family, adoption.. blah, blah, blah. By the way, it's also illegal to simply GIVE AWAY A BABY... You'd go to jail for that too. Thank me very much.

[sicktoaster]

...if it was possible to just remove the fetus alive and stick it in an artificial womb Id be all for creating a formal procedure to make sure that happens and that the baby gets a home when a woman wants to kick the fetus out of her body. Unfortunately artificial wombs havent been invented yet but its still her body so she should still have the right to abort.

[jrspike2ya]

sicktoaster.. your reasoning not only defies all reason and logic, but once again you've demonstrated for one and all to see, your total and complete ignorance and insensibility. It's not her body you moron. A women who aborts her baby is killing the baby. She's not killing herself. Is that too difficult a distinction for you to understand? Well, at least you admit that the fetus is ALIVE, albeit a Fruedian slip, I'm sure. Have you given up on the 'kick-the-baby-out' of the house analogy?

[sicktoaster]

But it is IN her body just like a roommate is in your house. By not allowing her to remove the fetus from her body you are forcing her to have something in her body that she may not want in her body. Like I said it would be better if the fetus could be removed without the fetus dying, but it's still her body.

And yes I admit the fetus is alive. So is sperm and eggs. So are your skin cells.

[xgirlfiendx]

Great ad.

[jrspike2ya]

How so? What's so great about it? The acting? The message? Please, grace us with you wisdom.

[xgirlfiendx]

I found the message to be simple, yet very powerful in the way it was delivered.

[jrspike2ya]

Well that's nice. How about the content? How about the principle? You see, I thought it is a powerfully delivered message as well, but I don't let that sway my judgement about the issue. Do you agree with the content and the issue? If so, why? Powers of persuasion don't necessarily make it right, just persuasive.

[xgirlfiendx]

I most certainly do agree with the content and the issue. While I respect her beliefs and all and her right to do so, I find it beyond disgusting that she believes women should bear a baby as a result of incest/rape.

[uther37]

Jesus it is sort of scary how many people would condemn a rape victim to a minimum of an additional nine months of punishment by carrying an unwanted baby to term. And those of you who talk about adoption, how many babies have you adopted this year. If you know a normal amount of people then you probably know personally 2 or 3 people who have been raped this year. Can you provide the support that their babies would need? Let people choose themselves what to do with an unwanted pregnancy.

[Weasel7711]

So when did babies stop being blessings from God and becoming a form of punishment?

[jrspike2ya]

Where do you get your ridiculous statistics? This is typical liberal BS, fabricating false statistics to promote some insane movement such as justifying the murder of innocent babies. A rape victim may need council, to deal with with crime, as well as to help guide them though the child birthing process, as well help with the decision making process; keeping the baby, or adoption.

[carcultured]

There are enough children already born who need love and care. I wish the PRO LIFE people would see to their needs.

[rachelwf]

That would be wonderful--but it doesn't seem to be their problem. The informal slogan for Pro-Life is 'life begins at conception..and ends at birth.'

[paradoxicalcold]

Live fetuses = Dead Soldiers Says the G.O.P.

[Weasel7711]

I would feel more comfortable leaving it up to the woman and her doctor if it didn't involve murder.

Hey while we are at it, lets pass a law that allows mothers with postpartum depression legally able to kill their infants? No, that's wrong? Oh... but... its her choice, I mean its her mental health and it was her body at a period in time... so...

[leiapeison]

the differance between a born child is it can be seperated from the mother so she will not be harmed by it or vice verse. when a woman is pregnant it is inside her and affects her physically as well as emotionally. she will be a prisoner in her body for 9 months. she will not be able to escape the trauma. forcing a woman to give birth is a form of rape in and of itself. by not giving her a choice it is violating her autonomy once again.

[Weasel7711]

Yeah down thumb the guy who disagrees with you, silence the opposition, eh comrades?

Yeah it sucks that people get raped, its horrible, its terrible, I wish it didn't happen. But how is the solution to a horrible event the murder of a child who has committed no crime, so we issue it the death penalty. Why not give that baby up for adoption to a family that cannot have children and will love it no matter how it was conceived because humans beings have innate worth not based on who the parents ar

[princessdisney26]

I agree with you 100%...rape is a horrible thing and I have compassion for those who are but abortion isn't the answer. There is a family out there who would love and care for that child. I am so glad there are other people who think this way too.

you had taken the words right out of my mouth-I completely agree w/ you.

[leiapeison]

abortion may not be the answer for YOU but that doesnt mean it isnt for others. to deny choice to rape victims is to dehumanize them further than the rape itself. the fetus will not miss its life. it has no life to begin with. the woman will suffer though and possibly have her mind permanently shattered as a result. women arnt inanimate vessels that just pop out kids. pregnancy and childbirth are not like breaking a nail. it isnt that simply to "just give it up."

[jrspike2ya]

Abortion is not an answer to Rape. You are quite arrogant to believe the fetus will not miss life. You can't predict much of the future, but I think you'd miss Your future life, were it to end now, by having your arms, legs, torso, and brains dismantled and ripped from you body. Unborn babies aren't like breaking nail, we agree finally. They are innocent humans who need love and care from mommy.. not a needle in their brains.

[leiapeison]

you cant miss a future life. you cant miss something you dont have. i said giving birth is not like breaking a nail not unborn babies. there is no needle involved. it is simply self preserving to defend onesself against something as traumatic as childbirth especially when it is against ones will. just because you deem abortion to be unnecessary does not make it so. for many rape victims it is essential to their well being to have a say in such an intimate experience.

[saharacloud]

@jrspike2ya your sick and evil, your violating a mother's right, your going to leave them MORE SCARS

[jrspike2ya]

@saharacloud: Umm, to what mother's right are you referring? The right to life? Liberty? Pursuing happiness? Oh, I'll bet you're referring to the ridiculous notion that a mommy has the right to kill an unborn baby? Is that it Sara? You like that right? Sara dear, rights come from God, and God alone. You don't get to define them. Everyone has the same rights from God, and I don't think one of them is killing innocent babies. Grow up.

[rachelwf]

And YOU HAVE that CHOICE. Get it??!!

Keeping abortion safe & legal will not take that away from you.

[Tommygun264]

Like most everyone, I am not pro-abortion. I am not pro-amputation or pro-mastectomy either, but I believe there are times when one must make difficult choices and these choices should be between the person and their doctor. The same people who want to make abortion illegal are against national health care because they claim to oppose bureaucrats making their medical decisions for them. Cold-hearted Hypocrites, all of them.

[caaaakee]

well said

[paradoxicalcold]

damn you hit the nail on the head

[LauraluvsEdElric]

There's a difference between being able to choose your doctor and kill your unborn child. Just thought that needed to be said.

[rachelwf]

It should also be said that it is critical for rape victims and their families to be given proper help and therapy as well as choices which will help them best. Not to condemn them and make them feel worse or ashamed. There's been anough of that.

[Mehandstuff]

grats on raped daughter

[NoWayNoHowNoBush3]

Grats on losing the Election Ignorant Rethuglican Punks...

[fukeweup]

we may be losing the election to reputation, but you sir, and your heathen clan are in fact the ignorant thug punks- thanks for welfare, killing 5 million babies, and taking more of my money

Grats on losing your soul..

[DarkCrawler90]

They are not babies. They are fetuses. It doesn't really count as killing if they are a clump of cells that doesn't feel pain, think or have any other feelings.

But hey, feel free to be an ignorant freedom-limiting dictator punk. Who am I to tell you that you should respect the freedom of women...

[ruthiekeep]

you are an absolut ignorant outrageous peron...you obviously aren't in any medical proffession to hold an argument at this point are you?... or is it your mommy never discussed it with you when you were a little tyke?... let me help you... as soon as the sperm hits the egg there is a heartbeat dna is complete it is now at the "stage" fetus...that isn't any different from human...they had no choice to be raped but they have a choice to not be murderersand give the child away.

[TACKgirls]

LIE!

At 14 weeks, the baby has all the necessary parts to experience pain including the nerves and spinal cord.

[LauraluvsEdElric]

It has the potential to be child; an individual with a personality and a life. Although it doesn't have feelings yet, a fetus will. It'll turn into a baby, which will turn into an adult. By killing that fetus, you're destroying any chance at life that adult had.

[jrspike2ya]

Hey, guess what genius, you're a clump of cells. Did you know that? And, it is now a proven fact that fetuses are capable of feeling intense pain very early on in a pregnancy. Last I checked, women in the US are free. They are also required to abide by the same rules as everyone else, and they are not allowed to kill unborn babies. Correction, they should not be allowed to kill unborn babies.

[leiapeison]

i am not a clump of cells i am a fully formed funcitoning independant self unlike a fetus. as a woman i can attest that women are far from equal. the fact that the govt feels it can control my womb says it all. women are not breeding pigs. pregnancy is not a benign process even when it is wanted. it always carries risks. if a woman does not want to endure these risks that is her perogative. no one can force me to have a child.

[jrspike2ya]

I don't think you have to worry about being forced to carry a child. I'm not going to be critical of you either, because I really think you putting on a big hoax. No one can be as hopelessly cynical as you. After these numerous exchanges, I can only say that I'm so blessed and fortunate to be married to a woman who is the antithesis of you.

[leiapeison]

im hardly cynical just realistic of the complexity of this very individual experience. you dont know anything about me except from what you've gleaned from a few text comments. im hardly putting on any hoax. i have witnessed these scenarios unfold firsthand when my friend got pregnant by rape. i know what devastation is and what it means to lose your womanhood in such a violent manner and i also understand the need to keep womens voices from being silenced on this important issue.

[jrspike2ya]

Ignorant? You have the rocks to call someone ignorant? Look at the way you mangle the English language. And, I see you're not alone, you received many 'thumbs-up' from 12 equally ignorant friends.

[leiapeison]

right on!!!