Okay, but martial arts have nothing to do with this. Women learn their capabilities quickly in good martial arts training, as well as their limitations and how to work around them. This is an image promoted by the male-bashing media. Look at all the so-called action shows. The man is always buffoonish and ego laden, the woman is smarter, quicker to act and ready, willing and able to kick the tail of any defiant male who gets in her way.
@soetsme unfortunately not all women are ready to fight, the truth is most women don't put up a fight out of fear on retaliation from their attacker, btw i'm a Marine and i can tell you that about only 10% of female Marines would put up a fight if attacked, it's a shame they lack the confidence or maybe it's the way they were raised? who knows, however i have a 14 year old daughter and i'v made her into one tough lil girl, don't get me wrong she's all girly as she should, but TOUGH AS NAILS ;D
obviously just demonstrating but in a real fight that guy would break both her arms and then some. hes not going to allow her or anyone to just pull his arm while he does nothing. in a real fight he would keep his arms up in a gaurd not have his palms on the floor unless hes a really stupid inexperienced beginer. once again, more female empowerment crap and the guy allows himself to be the dummy. that guy could destroy all those women in a real fight.
Why is the concept of one beginning technique in an instructional difficult for some people to grasp? Do you think this is supposed to be the be-all and end-all of the fight, or one of thousands of options to be used in this position? And do you want to train with smaller and weaker people or larger and stronger people? Which gives you more benefit?
@soetsme youre missing my point. im tired of explaining this to all of you. but this vid is about female empowerment. its shows her demonstrating on him. it about showing how superior she can be. i know its self defense demo. but the deeper implication is to show her in charge, not him. in reality, she and any girl would have a tough time pulling this off in a street attack or even a real tournament match. because the guy would not offer his arm up so easily.
@bigblondman1, I directed this video, I know what the point was and it was not about female empowerment. Female empowerment has nothing to do with making a woman believe she can go out and kick butt and take names any more than personal empowerment has anything to do with convincing an average guy he can knock out NFL superstars. In fact, because of a lot of nonsense out there that puts potentially dangerous notions into women's mindsets. (CONTINUED)
@bigblondman1, CONTINUED: I was at a store and a woman, maybe 5'2" was being very rude to the cashier and I let her know what I thought, and she actually pursued me out of the store and confronted me with a bully smirk on her face, told me I didn't know with whom I was dealing and what she could do (and obviously she didn't know with whom she was dealing). If it was someone other than me, or some lowlife she could have been hurt or killed, because someone convinced her she was "bad." (CONTINUED)
@bigblondman1, CONTINUED: This is an instructional video, and to be able to do the move correctly, first you need correct form and application. For that you need a certain amount of cooperation from your partner. The actual learning takes place during actual grappling practice, where indeed no one will voluntarily offer his arm.
@soetsme i am a former karate instructor so i know what youre saying. i also know what im talikng about. i also know what most women are capable of doing. most are not that capable. only very few can pull of what you and i can do. but by comparison, im still stronger than all these women and far more capable, still. they wouldnt get away with much of anything on the street.they better be exceptional, only very few are, or theyll get killed. seriously.
@soetsme frankly you should have taught her a hard lesson then she seemed to be asking for it. id never strike first but if she tried anything i would respond. and i also know how as well.
@bigblondman1 dude, are you saying that bjj will NOT help a smaller weaker person defeat a larger stronger person?? That's pretty much what bjj is all about. I don't think this video is made to show how superior a woman is over a man, i think it's about showing a bjj technique. I know women who tap big tough guys every day. I think you're afraid of women and project your personal "issues" onto videos like this one. Man-up dude.
Yes lads, the women are hot.. but next time you objectify these martial artists, remember they can rip your rotator cuff for it. You are being shown a lot of technical work here, and if all you're looking at is the figures of the women you aren't learning anything. Kimura is a very powerful lock - even a strong opponent can have his shoulder broken easily. Ask Hélio Gracie ;) Very good demo; I've never used the thumb over for the FoF but then I am pretty strong so maybe I never had to.
If they give you a fair fight and square off. But if they catch you by surprise or get you from the back. My point is the well-rounded fighter is better off.
To continue: if a complete stranger jumps you unexpectedly and you have no idea as to the intent, you can go for it because you have reasonable fear of your life. But suppose it's a "step outside" parking lot fight and you try to crush a windpipe, it's you who gets the taser in your ass and who is looking down the barrel of a .40 S&W. Of if a guy's being a smartass and it's just a pushing match at a party, damage the spine? I don't think so.
@soetsme If someone comes with you with a Gun and points it to your head, then i feel sorry for that guy, because that kind of stuff happens in the movies. Anyone with any gun knowledge should know, that they have to have a distance while pointing a gun to someone.
But intelligent people don't point guns at people unless it's in self-defense. Trust me, there are a lot of morons out there who will make the mistake of getting to close, and they deserve what happens next.
@soetsme Mui Thai is a great fighting technique, so is bjj and even tae kwon do. but the most effective is the great stand up boxing. Looks at one of the greatest mma fighters of all time, Fedor Emalinenko, the guy is a genious when it comes to grabbling and sambo, however me most of his latest fights are knockouts.
I still say the most effective is to mix it up. Suppose you're a great boxer, but I've still seen too many fights to go the ground to rely totally on strikes. You're better off having a knowledge of something you might not need as a second line of defense. People get tackled, bum's rushed, the motivation could be robbery, it happens all the time. That was the whole lesson taught by NHB, you have to mix it up.
@soetsme and also one more things. when two guys attack you and you use your grabbling skills to take one down, what are you going to do with the other one, hes gonna come and get you. but if you are a great boxer, there is a possibility that you can knock both of them out.
Multiple attack situations are largely very different in the real world. It's really hard to beat two guys unless they're really really bad or you're really, really good. Could you beat two of you? The only reason martial arts teach multiple attack scenarios is because it could happen and you might have no choice other than to at least try. And a lot of them go to the ground where your escape skills can be vital.
@soetsme I have nothing against other forms of fighting, if it works out for them fine. As i said i respect all sports and athlethes, whether it be austalian football, rugby, american football, soccer or track and field. My point stands the same that a great standup will overcome any bjj. Look at Fedor Emalinenko, I dont think there is anyone else who has his ground game, but the guy is winning the fight via KO.
Not always. Different people have different physical attributes and have to work around their limitations. Emalinenko wins by KO but many won by tap out, choke out or submission. What you do is find what you're good at and develop that.
Fedor is a good example of how BJJ is so very useful in what it is designed for. I've been in many fights, BJJ, and street and I know that bigger guys like to take you down, it just is so. When Fedor beat Choi, he beat him by grappling techniques. Classic example of what BJJ was designed for. We dont have to go much further than Royce Gracie and the original UFC to prove this fact, BJJ is superior when in the hands of a master. I'm sorry, but those were some of the best strikers of the day
Fedor is actually sambo/judo player both styles are older then bjj and judo is the reason that bjj even excists that and cacc wrestling. basically bjj is actually judo with cacc influences so really it should be called, 'brazilian catch judo' lol
If you get provoked into fighting in either of those situations, then you're a failure as a martial artist and you deserve whatever happens to you. Didn't you know provocation is no reason to fight? I'm talking about a life or death situation, not some barroom brawl or frat party shoving contest. Any student of martial arts should be able to recognize the differences and respond appropriately. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve to be called a martial artist, let alone a teacher.
There are situations where someone will follow you and not let you walk away. That's provocation, but you have no choice. What if the motivation isn't to beat you up, but to rob you? What if he's drugged out and a beat removed from reality. A lot of attacks against women begin with someone coming up from behind and picking them up and throwing them down.
An escape from the mount is not represented as invincibility, it's one specific move, mainly when thrown to the ground. Generally if the attacker is armed he's not going to let you get close enough to do a whole lot. And you'd better be very careful as to the level of martial punishment warranted because there are different levels of force you can legally apply. The moves you're talking about are only justified by fear of your life.
A good punch to the throat followed by either an elbow to the spine or a knee to the face and then a dropping knee to either the spine (if you attacked the spine) or to the sternum (if you attacked the face) are far, far more effective than grappling moves and are capable of mauling even the largest opponents. A crushed windpipe and broken spine/sternum are far better deterrents to pursuit than a bit of pain that goes away as soon as you let go. Just me, though.
You have to have the ability to deliver those moves and the other guy isn't going to just stand there and let you hit him in the throat. Second, you've got to have a follow up because you never know if it's going to work. For some reason there are a lot of people out there who think one blow is going to be the be all and end all of the fight. You could be staking your life on that assumption. People with gunshot wounds get back on their feet and keep coming.
I do believe I said to follow up a throat punch with an elbow to the spine or a knee to the face; either works and afterwords you can drop your knee on their spine or sternum. I don't care who you are, you're not getting up with a broken spine, maybe a torn spinal cord, or even shards of bone lodged in your heart. As far as them not just standing there and taking it, you yourself said that any guy would be more prepared for a groin shot with a violent woman, not a throat punch.
What you're talking about is called a waza. A set of moves in a preplanned way. Sure, that would work if fate was smiling on you and everything went as planned. What if you miss? What if you don't get the angle? What if your strike isn't as powerful as required? And I've seen a woman hyped up on drugs yank the handle off of a shopping cart and hit a sheriff's deputy in the head with it. Fights are a scissors cut paper game, as I keep saying. Too many variables.
Hardly. I'm just talking about the quickest way to disable an attacker that I picked up from first hand experience. As emphasized by the art of Wing Chun, and made famous by Bruce Lee as the basis of Jun Fan Gong Fu (what you know as Jeet Kune Do) never commit 100% to any strike and be able to adapt easily. If a throat punch doesn't work, shift to an upward strike at the nose; if that doesn't work and they have both hands trapped, trip them. If even that doesn't work, well, use your imagination.
You don't have time to use your imagination. Bruce Lee used some Wing Chun as a base, like Chi Sao and trapping, but greatly diversified. And if the throat punch doesn't work maybe by then the guy will have hit you in the middle of the face. Fights are all about being prepared and conditioned for the unknown. But I appreciate yours and Arayik's intelligent comments here. Look how the majority of guys just say something sexual to let the whole world know they're not getting laid.
You can't do that until you first learn the moves. The best way to learn to swim is in the water, but how can you do that if you don't learn the breath stroke first.
Sure they will. That's why BJJ is so effective, it involves drilling until it becomes second nature. Remember, this is also a training vid, no one is going full tilt or trying to hurt or submit anyone.
Well, as you can see from a lot of the dialog here with both knows and know-nots, this is one little exercise, not a be-all and end-all. But the idea behind the jiu-jitsu training is drill, drill and more drill. Only through drilling does a move become second nature, where you do it automatically without thinking.
@soetsme bullshit stuff. bring these to the streets, see if jui jit su or whatever that fukc is called works. in the streets its all about punching and kicking, where a boxer and a brawlers had the edge.
I love it when people try to talk tough, then make a statement that shows they know absolutely nothing. If you'd ever been in the real world you'd know that a fight is a scissors cut paper game. You don't know what the other guy is going to do, whether he can take your punch, or whether it's going to end up on the ground. In the streets it's all about being a more well-rounded fighter.
As i said, jui jut su is good for MMA fight that has rules and regulation. In the streets a puncher wins, try to grab me in the streets, one punch to the chin or top of the head will end the fight with me trust me. And i do live in the real world.
@Arayik777 Arayik, you and I gotta have a serious talk. I'm worried about you, guy. You see, I've never met a serious fighter who didn't have a serious respect for BJJ. The only people I've known who say things like, "This is crap," are guys who read one of those "reality fighting" yo-yo's who BS'ed their way into a martial arts magazine run by corporate suits who don't know anything. Why don't you go up to Gene LeBell or into a Gracie school and tell them what you think?
hi there! sometimes is just not worth the breath trying to explain some ignorantes, the beauty of BJJ! like my master say, lets do the talking in the mat;-) keep up the good work!
@soetsme I have done that. I met Gene Lebell at Hayastan fight club in hollywood years ago. I was led there by friends who wanted me to get into MMA since i was a good ameature boxer. Gene and others saw my standup and they were amazed. After few days of training judo and grappling
Gokor is one of the best and really, and he could really explain the benefits of combative grappling. Trust me, it has its place. What if you get tackled or miss? Grappling skills are lke guns: better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
@soetsme , I told him that this isn't in my blood and i that i can beat up people in cage just with my fists. he agreed with me, however told me that I should appreciate his art. I do have respect for anyone, I love sports, and i like all kinds of sport and athlethes, however my point is that if I was young and immature and got into a street fight boxing and muy thai skills would overcome any ground fighting skills.
You're so confident in your "knockout punch" that you're willing to base your life on it? Do you have a crystal ball and you know who's going to be attacking you? What if he's twice your size and faster? What if he catches you buy surprise and tosses you to the ground? If you were a real fighter, you'd know that the most important attribute is timing, then speed. In the streets, anything goes and a real fighter is prepared for the unknown.
@soetsme Yes thats what I mean. If someone comes at you swinging an ax dont tell me that your jui jut su skills are going to overpower him and take the baseball bath away.
I was there back in the late 80's when the Gracies issued a challenged to anyone and everyone. They all had this, "I'll just punch him" or "I'll kick him" and they all got humiliated. Often they'd let them have a rematch knowing what they'd do, and it would happen a second time. If you lived in the real world, you'd know people have been hit with .45's, then come up shooting. In the real world you have to be ready for any possibility, and the bigger your arsenal the better your chances.
@soetsme Yes I saw how Gracies beat up nobody's. Anyone with any standup skills would have knock them out cold, including todays strikeforce or ufc guys.
In the beginning Royce regularly tapped out strikers. And Rickson is a legend. Yes, they beat up on some wimps and I told them that was a bad idea, made them look bad. But only an idiot goes into someone else's turf to fight them. BJJ is an effective fighting art and proven. As is Muay Thai. Check out the Muay Thai clips here with Walter Michalowski.
what kind of pure 100% the worse bull shit l ever ever heard b4???? did u watched the VALE-TUDO = Anything goes, in Brazil or the firts U.F.C, where there was no time limit, no rules, no size, and Royce Gracie fought few guys at same event, and won all with pure JIU-JITSU, also have a check on RIO-HERO, do yourk home work b4 u say jiu-jitsu s only good with rules! fucking wanker
if someone poked you in the eye during a fight and you just gave up because of it....
you sir, are a motherfucking pussy.
bitting, eye gouging, and groin shots only work in the movies. none of those things have the ability to incapacitate an attacker in the real world adrenaline induced street fight. unless you bite the jugular in which case...congratulations. you're spending the rest of your life in federal asspound prison.
Well, yes and no. You could also spend the rest of eternity sleeping in a coffin during the day.
An eye gouge, bite or groin shot usually will only serve to piss off someone who is already angry enough that he's trying to hurt you. However, if you use it as a distraction and have a follow-up, that's another matter.
and yes they would be a good distraction but people never follow up with that. they think it's just an end all move for any grappling situation. and as a GJJ student i passionately feel the need to defend BJJ as a whole from assumptions like that.
Nut shots -- not a good idea. First, every man in the world expects an attack to the groin and even untrained guys have worked out defenses against it. Second, from the ground it's hard to get the leverage to hit hard. Third, if it's a strong arm mugging or robbery, most attackers wear cups and elbow pads.
And if groin shots don't work, why are they illegal in every combat sport tournament? Why do people hit in the groin need a time out before they resume the match? And would you trade punches to the jaw for kicks to the jaw with someone?
Groin shots work but that's not the reason they're illegal in combat sports. They're illegal because you could permanently damage someone. The reason they're not advisable is that most guys anticipate them and have defenses against them. If a woman, for example, was getting in your face and looking like she was potentially violent, wouldn't you be ready for a groin shot.
well said...those things (eye pokes, groin shots, heel hooks, small joint locks, and spiking) are illegal for a reason, and not because they don't work. i've kicked i dont know how many guys in the pills, it works. as for these dirty tactics, they do work, the trick is to know when to, and when not to do them. for instance trying to poke someone in the eye while kickboxing...stupid. have them mounted? go for it.
That's precisely the point. You have to know when to use them, and be experienced enough when to know if you've got a shot. If a woman got in your face confrontationally, wouldn't you be expecting a groin shot?
they sure stop or at least pause enough mma fights. i've seen some top mma fighters taken out with groin strikes and eye pokes (inadvertant of course)..matt hughes, rich franklin...if they didnt have their recovery period they'd lose badly i think. of course those types of things are tricky to get. its best to have control over them before trying something like eye pokes. not from striking range.
You have to compare apples to oranges. If you're engaged in a fight and at close range that's one thing, In a street encounter when it initiates, every guy is anticipating a groin strike and ready for it. And in the street, many muggers wear cups and knee pads, So why try a groin strike when he's got a perfectly good instep or femoral artery?
thats instruction. in a real match he would not let her do that because he would be trying to do the same or more. so that only work if the opponent is a dummy who just lays there and lets it happen. its a whole other matter when he resists and counter with more. keep it in perspective.
I love it when the girls train in the gym. It cracks me up. Not that a woman cannot be tough, but when listening to the training I always have to smile. If you are being attacked by a larger person on the street and you are thinking of using this move, please at least start with an eye gouge before trying this to throw him off a little. It isn't as easy as it looks to maintain wrist control on a guy when he is pulling away, he may even start striking from above. Work on escape after also.
Roll with a jiu-jitsu guy, Tenn, you'll be shocked how much control someone can have on you when you are in their guard, and you don't sit there with your nuts exposed while in guaurd, your hips are tight with their hips...groin strikes aren't that easy at all.
Also, you can beat someone bigger than you using jiu-jitsu...easily even if you are good and they have. no idea what to do on the ground.
Anyone who makes a statement like BJJ is not practical on the street has virtually no knowledge of, or experience in, martial arts or physical combat. One of the reasons BJJ became so popular around the world in a very short time is because it works.
sorry but i would never get in 'guard' on the street, thats a bad name anyway what the hell is it guarding anyway, certainly not my nuts. yall wanna no y the gracies where so good back in the 90's, its cause ppl weren't used to striking the groin, look at all the vids there are so many chances for them 2 get hit there, the truth is 1 of the few if only was 2 get out of alot of bjj moves is to hit the groin and if anyone is smart they would do that especially if their life is on the line
People were always striking to the groin. I don't recommend it personally. Every guy in the world expects a groin attack and even untrained guys have worked out defenses against it. Strike to the eyes, cuff the ear, hit the throat or the femoral artery but don't try a groin attack. Many muggers even wear cups.
The is ONE specific technique, not the be all and end all. It's useful for when someone gets you on your back.
the kimura, as depicted in the vid, is useful when someone gets you on the ground and is on top. But in competition the idea is to tap someone out. In the street the idea is to get out of it and either follow with a strike or, if you can, just get out of there.
Rule of thumb: NEVER GET INTO THE GUARD IN A STREET FIGHT. Jiu jitsu is not for street fighting, its a sport. Take up something like Jeet kune do or arnis; you might even loose weight on the process.
Your an Idiot. I don't think you quite understand the concept of Jeet Kune Do - it's not a martial art, it's a system of training.
Bruce Lee trained in submission grappling as well as fencing, boxing Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu and fencing. A true Jeet Kun Do practitioner would not write off any martial art, he/she would train it, take what's useful and move on to train something different. Form in formlessness.
i got a question right. in todays day and age women are learning so many fighting styles so i guess they can roll with men now, so why is it that its still so generally bad if a man and woman get into a fight what with women bein so tough now especially you that take jujitsu. how come the man is seen as a coward,ass,pussy, etc if women can fight just as good or better
well if that man trained in stuff that keeps tellin him size dosnt matter and/or he goes startin shit cause he/she is so cocky oh sorry 'confident' in their skills then i see no reason why the bigger person should be labeled as an ass,coward, pussy, when they show that size does matter and handles em
Size and strength are factors. Training is a factor. Speed is a factor. The most important factor in a fight is timing.
Jiu-jitsu is very good against a larger, stronger opponent but nobody is invincible. If a girl were to be trained and start acting tough she should have an attitude adjustment. Anyone who starts something deserves to get hurt. I'm talking about a man who attacks someone he's pretty sure he can beat. That's cowardly.
Excellent professional demonstration and very nice moves. Very simple and effective moves for the ground work. I wish, there were more lessons for women on that subject. Interesting to watch and very educational. Very few women-instructors can teach self-defense so professionally, with insight and to the point. God bless.
everyones an instructor now. Pretty soo there should be some cardio kickboxing version of jiu jitsu and the self defense aspect of the art will be completely eliminated.
@bigblondman1
Okay, but martial arts have nothing to do with this. Women learn their capabilities quickly in good martial arts training, as well as their limitations and how to work around them. This is an image promoted by the male-bashing media. Look at all the so-called action shows. The man is always buffoonish and ego laden, the woman is smarter, quicker to act and ready, willing and able to kick the tail of any defiant male who gets in her way.
soetsme 1 year ago
@soetsme unfortunately not all women are ready to fight, the truth is most women don't put up a fight out of fear on retaliation from their attacker, btw i'm a Marine and i can tell you that about only 10% of female Marines would put up a fight if attacked, it's a shame they lack the confidence or maybe it's the way they were raised? who knows, however i have a 14 year old daughter and i'v made her into one tough lil girl, don't get me wrong she's all girly as she should, but TOUGH AS NAILS ;D
195WTF 1 year ago 5
im tired of this mma FAD
FiveEcho 1 year ago 8
obviously just demonstrating but in a real fight that guy would break both her arms and then some. hes not going to allow her or anyone to just pull his arm while he does nothing. in a real fight he would keep his arms up in a gaurd not have his palms on the floor unless hes a really stupid inexperienced beginer. once again, more female empowerment crap and the guy allows himself to be the dummy. that guy could destroy all those women in a real fight.
bigblondman1 1 year ago
@bigblondman1
Why is the concept of one beginning technique in an instructional difficult for some people to grasp? Do you think this is supposed to be the be-all and end-all of the fight, or one of thousands of options to be used in this position? And do you want to train with smaller and weaker people or larger and stronger people? Which gives you more benefit?
soetsme 1 year ago
@soetsme youre missing my point. im tired of explaining this to all of you. but this vid is about female empowerment. its shows her demonstrating on him. it about showing how superior she can be. i know its self defense demo. but the deeper implication is to show her in charge, not him. in reality, she and any girl would have a tough time pulling this off in a street attack or even a real tournament match. because the guy would not offer his arm up so easily.
bigblondman1 1 year ago
@bigblondman1, I directed this video, I know what the point was and it was not about female empowerment. Female empowerment has nothing to do with making a woman believe she can go out and kick butt and take names any more than personal empowerment has anything to do with convincing an average guy he can knock out NFL superstars. In fact, because of a lot of nonsense out there that puts potentially dangerous notions into women's mindsets. (CONTINUED)
soetsme 1 year ago
@bigblondman1, CONTINUED: I was at a store and a woman, maybe 5'2" was being very rude to the cashier and I let her know what I thought, and she actually pursued me out of the store and confronted me with a bully smirk on her face, told me I didn't know with whom I was dealing and what she could do (and obviously she didn't know with whom she was dealing). If it was someone other than me, or some lowlife she could have been hurt or killed, because someone convinced her she was "bad." (CONTINUED)
soetsme 1 year ago
@bigblondman1, CONTINUED: This is an instructional video, and to be able to do the move correctly, first you need correct form and application. For that you need a certain amount of cooperation from your partner. The actual learning takes place during actual grappling practice, where indeed no one will voluntarily offer his arm.
soetsme 1 year ago 9
@soetsme i am a former karate instructor so i know what youre saying. i also know what im talikng about. i also know what most women are capable of doing. most are not that capable. only very few can pull of what you and i can do. but by comparison, im still stronger than all these women and far more capable, still. they wouldnt get away with much of anything on the street.they better be exceptional, only very few are, or theyll get killed. seriously.
bigblondman1 1 year ago
@soetsme frankly you should have taught her a hard lesson then she seemed to be asking for it. id never strike first but if she tried anything i would respond. and i also know how as well.
bigblondman1 1 year ago
@bigblondman1 dude, are you saying that bjj will NOT help a smaller weaker person defeat a larger stronger person?? That's pretty much what bjj is all about. I don't think this video is made to show how superior a woman is over a man, i think it's about showing a bjj technique. I know women who tap big tough guys every day. I think you're afraid of women and project your personal "issues" onto videos like this one. Man-up dude.
masterblastertkd 1 year ago 2
awesome
Escortguy1 1 year ago
this bitch hot
hypersupermamado 1 year ago
Yes lads, the women are hot.. but next time you objectify these martial artists, remember they can rip your rotator cuff for it. You are being shown a lot of technical work here, and if all you're looking at is the figures of the women you aren't learning anything. Kimura is a very powerful lock - even a strong opponent can have his shoulder broken easily. Ask Hélio Gracie ;) Very good demo; I've never used the thumb over for the FoF but then I am pretty strong so maybe I never had to.
cjbramley 2 years ago 3
Nice. Looks very efficient.
gerardsollie 2 years ago
striking without grappling is DESTROYED by grappling.
Similarly, grappling without striking is destroyed by grappling.
But judging from the early UFC etc., grappling is more important.
As for a "REAL FIGHT with LOTS OF GUYS ATTACKING YOU"
Are they going to come at you with straight punches?
No, they're going to try to mob you - TAKE YOU DOWN and beat on you.
Striking is VERY effective, but if you don't have grappling experience, in the Real World you will get tackled and pawned.
PanKrato 2 years ago 2
Is it just me, or is there something very erotic abt watching this babe demo BJJ??
crane76 2 years ago
i wanna train with these hot womens
Lasseria 2 years ago
If they give you a fair fight and square off. But if they catch you by surprise or get you from the back. My point is the well-rounded fighter is better off.
soetsme 2 years ago
To continue: if a complete stranger jumps you unexpectedly and you have no idea as to the intent, you can go for it because you have reasonable fear of your life. But suppose it's a "step outside" parking lot fight and you try to crush a windpipe, it's you who gets the taser in your ass and who is looking down the barrel of a .40 S&W. Of if a guy's being a smartass and it's just a pushing match at a party, damage the spine? I don't think so.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme If someone comes with you with a Gun and points it to your head, then i feel sorry for that guy, because that kind of stuff happens in the movies. Anyone with any gun knowledge should know, that they have to have a distance while pointing a gun to someone.
Arayik777 2 years ago
@Arayik777
But intelligent people don't point guns at people unless it's in self-defense. Trust me, there are a lot of morons out there who will make the mistake of getting to close, and they deserve what happens next.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme Mui Thai is a great fighting technique, so is bjj and even tae kwon do. but the most effective is the great stand up boxing. Looks at one of the greatest mma fighters of all time, Fedor Emalinenko, the guy is a genious when it comes to grabbling and sambo, however me most of his latest fights are knockouts.
Arayik777 2 years ago
I still say the most effective is to mix it up. Suppose you're a great boxer, but I've still seen too many fights to go the ground to rely totally on strikes. You're better off having a knowledge of something you might not need as a second line of defense. People get tackled, bum's rushed, the motivation could be robbery, it happens all the time. That was the whole lesson taught by NHB, you have to mix it up.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme and also one more things. when two guys attack you and you use your grabbling skills to take one down, what are you going to do with the other one, hes gonna come and get you. but if you are a great boxer, there is a possibility that you can knock both of them out.
Arayik777 2 years ago
Multiple attack situations are largely very different in the real world. It's really hard to beat two guys unless they're really really bad or you're really, really good. Could you beat two of you? The only reason martial arts teach multiple attack scenarios is because it could happen and you might have no choice other than to at least try. And a lot of them go to the ground where your escape skills can be vital.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme I have nothing against other forms of fighting, if it works out for them fine. As i said i respect all sports and athlethes, whether it be austalian football, rugby, american football, soccer or track and field. My point stands the same that a great standup will overcome any bjj. Look at Fedor Emalinenko, I dont think there is anyone else who has his ground game, but the guy is winning the fight via KO.
Arayik777 2 years ago
Not always. Different people have different physical attributes and have to work around their limitations. Emalinenko wins by KO but many won by tap out, choke out or submission. What you do is find what you're good at and develop that.
soetsme 2 years ago
Fedor is a good example of how BJJ is so very useful in what it is designed for. I've been in many fights, BJJ, and street and I know that bigger guys like to take you down, it just is so. When Fedor beat Choi, he beat him by grappling techniques. Classic example of what BJJ was designed for. We dont have to go much further than Royce Gracie and the original UFC to prove this fact, BJJ is superior when in the hands of a master. I'm sorry, but those were some of the best strikers of the day
dunnhc3 2 years ago 2
Fedor is actually sambo/judo player both styles are older then bjj and judo is the reason that bjj even excists that and cacc wrestling. basically bjj is actually judo with cacc influences so really it should be called, 'brazilian catch judo' lol
Amarksyhk 2 years ago
If you get provoked into fighting in either of those situations, then you're a failure as a martial artist and you deserve whatever happens to you. Didn't you know provocation is no reason to fight? I'm talking about a life or death situation, not some barroom brawl or frat party shoving contest. Any student of martial arts should be able to recognize the differences and respond appropriately. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve to be called a martial artist, let alone a teacher.
ChishioAme 2 years ago
There are situations where someone will follow you and not let you walk away. That's provocation, but you have no choice. What if the motivation isn't to beat you up, but to rob you? What if he's drugged out and a beat removed from reality. A lot of attacks against women begin with someone coming up from behind and picking them up and throwing them down.
soetsme 2 years ago
An escape from the mount is not represented as invincibility, it's one specific move, mainly when thrown to the ground. Generally if the attacker is armed he's not going to let you get close enough to do a whole lot. And you'd better be very careful as to the level of martial punishment warranted because there are different levels of force you can legally apply. The moves you're talking about are only justified by fear of your life.
soetsme 2 years ago
A good punch to the throat followed by either an elbow to the spine or a knee to the face and then a dropping knee to either the spine (if you attacked the spine) or to the sternum (if you attacked the face) are far, far more effective than grappling moves and are capable of mauling even the largest opponents. A crushed windpipe and broken spine/sternum are far better deterrents to pursuit than a bit of pain that goes away as soon as you let go. Just me, though.
ChishioAme 2 years ago
@ChishioAme
You have to have the ability to deliver those moves and the other guy isn't going to just stand there and let you hit him in the throat. Second, you've got to have a follow up because you never know if it's going to work. For some reason there are a lot of people out there who think one blow is going to be the be all and end all of the fight. You could be staking your life on that assumption. People with gunshot wounds get back on their feet and keep coming.
soetsme 2 years ago
I do believe I said to follow up a throat punch with an elbow to the spine or a knee to the face; either works and afterwords you can drop your knee on their spine or sternum. I don't care who you are, you're not getting up with a broken spine, maybe a torn spinal cord, or even shards of bone lodged in your heart. As far as them not just standing there and taking it, you yourself said that any guy would be more prepared for a groin shot with a violent woman, not a throat punch.
ChishioAme 2 years ago
@ChishioAme
What you're talking about is called a waza. A set of moves in a preplanned way. Sure, that would work if fate was smiling on you and everything went as planned. What if you miss? What if you don't get the angle? What if your strike isn't as powerful as required? And I've seen a woman hyped up on drugs yank the handle off of a shopping cart and hit a sheriff's deputy in the head with it. Fights are a scissors cut paper game, as I keep saying. Too many variables.
soetsme 2 years ago
Hardly. I'm just talking about the quickest way to disable an attacker that I picked up from first hand experience. As emphasized by the art of Wing Chun, and made famous by Bruce Lee as the basis of Jun Fan Gong Fu (what you know as Jeet Kune Do) never commit 100% to any strike and be able to adapt easily. If a throat punch doesn't work, shift to an upward strike at the nose; if that doesn't work and they have both hands trapped, trip them. If even that doesn't work, well, use your imagination.
ChishioAme 2 years ago
You don't have time to use your imagination. Bruce Lee used some Wing Chun as a base, like Chi Sao and trapping, but greatly diversified. And if the throat punch doesn't work maybe by then the guy will have hit you in the middle of the face. Fights are all about being prepared and conditioned for the unknown. But I appreciate yours and Arayik's intelligent comments here. Look how the majority of guys just say something sexual to let the whole world know they're not getting laid.
soetsme 2 years ago
i got a boner!
megarepsol 2 years ago
@megarepsol
Congratulations and don't be afraid. As you get a little older this will be happening more and more.
soetsme 2 years ago
You can't do that until you first learn the moves. The best way to learn to swim is in the water, but how can you do that if you don't learn the breath stroke first.
soetsme 2 years ago
Looks good and all, but they'll never remember to fight like that when it gets to it.
AliG4life 2 years ago
Sure they will. That's why BJJ is so effective, it involves drilling until it becomes second nature. Remember, this is also a training vid, no one is going full tilt or trying to hurt or submit anyone.
soetsme 2 years ago
I'm not sure.
I think once someone is in danger, instincts take over.
These moves will work in an official fight, but not when you're unexpectedly attacked by someone on the street (mostly from behind).
AliG4life 2 years ago
@AliG4life
Well, as you can see from a lot of the dialog here with both knows and know-nots, this is one little exercise, not a be-all and end-all. But the idea behind the jiu-jitsu training is drill, drill and more drill. Only through drilling does a move become second nature, where you do it automatically without thinking.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme bullshit stuff. bring these to the streets, see if jui jit su or whatever that fukc is called works. in the streets its all about punching and kicking, where a boxer and a brawlers had the edge.
Arayik777 2 years ago
@Arayik777
I love it when people try to talk tough, then make a statement that shows they know absolutely nothing. If you'd ever been in the real world you'd know that a fight is a scissors cut paper game. You don't know what the other guy is going to do, whether he can take your punch, or whether it's going to end up on the ground. In the streets it's all about being a more well-rounded fighter.
soetsme 2 years ago
As i said, jui jut su is good for MMA fight that has rules and regulation. In the streets a puncher wins, try to grab me in the streets, one punch to the chin or top of the head will end the fight with me trust me. And i do live in the real world.
Arayik777 2 years ago
@Arayik777 Arayik, you and I gotta have a serious talk. I'm worried about you, guy. You see, I've never met a serious fighter who didn't have a serious respect for BJJ. The only people I've known who say things like, "This is crap," are guys who read one of those "reality fighting" yo-yo's who BS'ed their way into a martial arts magazine run by corporate suits who don't know anything. Why don't you go up to Gene LeBell or into a Gracie school and tell them what you think?
soetsme 2 years ago
hi there! sometimes is just not worth the breath trying to explain some ignorantes, the beauty of BJJ! like my master say, lets do the talking in the mat;-) keep up the good work!
BCTbjj 2 years ago
@soetsme I have done that. I met Gene Lebell at Hayastan fight club in hollywood years ago. I was led there by friends who wanted me to get into MMA since i was a good ameature boxer. Gene and others saw my standup and they were amazed. After few days of training judo and grappling
Arayik777 2 years ago
@Arayik777
Gokor is one of the best and really, and he could really explain the benefits of combative grappling. Trust me, it has its place. What if you get tackled or miss? Grappling skills are lke guns: better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme , I told him that this isn't in my blood and i that i can beat up people in cage just with my fists. he agreed with me, however told me that I should appreciate his art. I do have respect for anyone, I love sports, and i like all kinds of sport and athlethes, however my point is that if I was young and immature and got into a street fight boxing and muy thai skills would overcome any ground fighting skills.
Arayik777 2 years ago
You're so confident in your "knockout punch" that you're willing to base your life on it? Do you have a crystal ball and you know who's going to be attacking you? What if he's twice your size and faster? What if he catches you buy surprise and tosses you to the ground? If you were a real fighter, you'd know that the most important attribute is timing, then speed. In the streets, anything goes and a real fighter is prepared for the unknown.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme Yes thats what I mean. If someone comes at you swinging an ax dont tell me that your jui jut su skills are going to overpower him and take the baseball bath away.
Arayik777 2 years ago
@Arayik777
If he has an ax and I don't I'm dead anyway, so it wouldn't matter.
soetsme 2 years ago
I was there back in the late 80's when the Gracies issued a challenged to anyone and everyone. They all had this, "I'll just punch him" or "I'll kick him" and they all got humiliated. Often they'd let them have a rematch knowing what they'd do, and it would happen a second time. If you lived in the real world, you'd know people have been hit with .45's, then come up shooting. In the real world you have to be ready for any possibility, and the bigger your arsenal the better your chances.
soetsme 2 years ago
@soetsme Yes I saw how Gracies beat up nobody's. Anyone with any standup skills would have knock them out cold, including todays strikeforce or ufc guys.
Arayik777 2 years ago
@Arayik777
In the beginning Royce regularly tapped out strikers. And Rickson is a legend. Yes, they beat up on some wimps and I told them that was a bad idea, made them look bad. But only an idiot goes into someone else's turf to fight them. BJJ is an effective fighting art and proven. As is Muay Thai. Check out the Muay Thai clips here with Walter Michalowski.
soetsme 2 years ago
what kind of pure 100% the worse bull shit l ever ever heard b4???? did u watched the VALE-TUDO = Anything goes, in Brazil or the firts U.F.C, where there was no time limit, no rules, no size, and Royce Gracie fought few guys at same event, and won all with pure JIU-JITSU, also have a check on RIO-HERO, do yourk home work b4 u say jiu-jitsu s only good with rules! fucking wanker
BCTbjj 2 years ago
Thanks for this video. I just signed up for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and watching this and other videos make me even more excited about my 1st lesson.
illlllum 2 years ago
more woman should really learn this and i think the best move in that position is a triangle choke
mortalkombatfan24 2 years ago
more woman should really learn this and i think the best move in that position is a triangle choke
mortalkombatfan24 2 years ago
Nice!! But how bout a poke or finger jab to the eyes?!! That'll do it quicker
wingchundragon 2 years ago
if someone poked you in the eye during a fight and you just gave up because of it....
you sir, are a motherfucking pussy.
bitting, eye gouging, and groin shots only work in the movies. none of those things have the ability to incapacitate an attacker in the real world adrenaline induced street fight. unless you bite the jugular in which case...congratulations. you're spending the rest of your life in federal asspound prison.
6XstringXsamurai 2 years ago 2
Well, yes and no. You could also spend the rest of eternity sleeping in a coffin during the day.
An eye gouge, bite or groin shot usually will only serve to piss off someone who is already angry enough that he's trying to hurt you. However, if you use it as a distraction and have a follow-up, that's another matter.
soetsme 2 years ago
lol true! that could mean you are a vampire haha
and yes they would be a good distraction but people never follow up with that. they think it's just an end all move for any grappling situation. and as a GJJ student i passionately feel the need to defend BJJ as a whole from assumptions like that.
6XstringXsamurai 2 years ago
i can see how biting wouldn't affect someone so easily with adrenaline.. but.. nut shots? O.o
rifler27 2 years ago
Nut shots -- not a good idea. First, every man in the world expects an attack to the groin and even untrained guys have worked out defenses against it. Second, from the ground it's hard to get the leverage to hit hard. Third, if it's a strong arm mugging or robbery, most attackers wear cups and elbow pads.
soetsme 2 years ago
This isn't a fight - this is rape defense.
And if groin shots don't work, why are they illegal in every combat sport tournament? Why do people hit in the groin need a time out before they resume the match? And would you trade punches to the jaw for kicks to the jaw with someone?
KillerSalmon 2 years ago
Groin shots work but that's not the reason they're illegal in combat sports. They're illegal because you could permanently damage someone. The reason they're not advisable is that most guys anticipate them and have defenses against them. If a woman, for example, was getting in your face and looking like she was potentially violent, wouldn't you be ready for a groin shot.
soetsme 2 years ago
well said...those things (eye pokes, groin shots, heel hooks, small joint locks, and spiking) are illegal for a reason, and not because they don't work. i've kicked i dont know how many guys in the pills, it works. as for these dirty tactics, they do work, the trick is to know when to, and when not to do them. for instance trying to poke someone in the eye while kickboxing...stupid. have them mounted? go for it.
kempobrad 2 years ago
That's precisely the point. You have to know when to use them, and be experienced enough when to know if you've got a shot. If a woman got in your face confrontationally, wouldn't you be expecting a groin shot?
soetsme 2 years ago
they sure stop or at least pause enough mma fights. i've seen some top mma fighters taken out with groin strikes and eye pokes (inadvertant of course)..matt hughes, rich franklin...if they didnt have their recovery period they'd lose badly i think. of course those types of things are tricky to get. its best to have control over them before trying something like eye pokes. not from striking range.
kempobrad 2 years ago
You have to compare apples to oranges. If you're engaged in a fight and at close range that's one thing, In a street encounter when it initiates, every guy is anticipating a groin strike and ready for it. And in the street, many muggers wear cups and knee pads, So why try a groin strike when he's got a perfectly good instep or femoral artery?
soetsme 2 years ago
Desde que se invento la polvora se acabaron los valientes.
metaguacha 2 years ago
Sí. Dios creó a la gente, pero Coronel Colt hizo todos ellos igualar.
soetsme 2 years ago
Pressing Armbar to be precise. (not a Straight Armbar)
much more rffective and dangerous than a straight armbar.
odds are though in real life that your attacker won't be an experienced grappler so there's any number of submissions you could use.
just to name a few, Triangle, Armbar, and maybe even a guillotine if you're fast enough.
votedemocrat27 2 years ago
CAN U SAY HOTTY
mastergxx15xx 2 years ago
they both seemed to be enjoying themselves pretty well..lol lol lol lol
cage987 3 years ago
I want to workout with her.
blackspades0000 3 years ago 2
Pick me!
youthXZZ 2 years ago 2
thats instruction. in a real match he would not let her do that because he would be trying to do the same or more. so that only work if the opponent is a dummy who just lays there and lets it happen. its a whole other matter when he resists and counter with more. keep it in perspective.
bigblondman1 3 years ago
Of course it's instruction. You have to be shown how to do the technique before you can apply it.
soetsme 3 years ago
I love it when the girls train in the gym. It cracks me up. Not that a woman cannot be tough, but when listening to the training I always have to smile. If you are being attacked by a larger person on the street and you are thinking of using this move, please at least start with an eye gouge before trying this to throw him off a little. It isn't as easy as it looks to maintain wrist control on a guy when he is pulling away, he may even start striking from above. Work on escape after also.
WolfPeltSalesman 3 years ago
hott
disaster5150 3 years ago 2
Very informative video the instructor really knows what she is talking about
yorgo69 3 years ago
I would love to grapple this woman.
aaazzaoo99 3 years ago 2
she seems pretty good, good looking too..
GaryT85 3 years ago
oh i really love to be beaten by her...
she's fantastic
justerlos 3 years ago
christy has a nice ass
pistolero2007lv 3 years ago
Roll with a jiu-jitsu guy, Tenn, you'll be shocked how much control someone can have on you when you are in their guard, and you don't sit there with your nuts exposed while in guaurd, your hips are tight with their hips...groin strikes aren't that easy at all.
Also, you can beat someone bigger than you using jiu-jitsu...easily even if you are good and they have. no idea what to do on the ground.
angelmanfredy 3 years ago
I never said that JKD was a martial art, I just said BJJ was not practical on the street. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. Get it right genius.
theman91111 3 years ago
Anyone who makes a statement like BJJ is not practical on the street has virtually no knowledge of, or experience in, martial arts or physical combat. One of the reasons BJJ became so popular around the world in a very short time is because it works.
soetsme 3 years ago
sorry but i would never get in 'guard' on the street, thats a bad name anyway what the hell is it guarding anyway, certainly not my nuts. yall wanna no y the gracies where so good back in the 90's, its cause ppl weren't used to striking the groin, look at all the vids there are so many chances for them 2 get hit there, the truth is 1 of the few if only was 2 get out of alot of bjj moves is to hit the groin and if anyone is smart they would do that especially if their life is on the line
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
People were always striking to the groin. I don't recommend it personally. Every guy in the world expects a groin attack and even untrained guys have worked out defenses against it. Strike to the eyes, cuff the ear, hit the throat or the femoral artery but don't try a groin attack. Many muggers even wear cups.
The is ONE specific technique, not the be all and end all. It's useful for when someone gets you on your back.
soetsme 3 years ago
'The is ONE specific technique, not the be all and end all. It's useful for when someone gets you on your back.'
what technique is this
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
the kimura, as depicted in the vid, is useful when someone gets you on the ground and is on top. But in competition the idea is to tap someone out. In the street the idea is to get out of it and either follow with a strike or, if you can, just get out of there.
soetsme 3 years ago
Rule of thumb: NEVER GET INTO THE GUARD IN A STREET FIGHT. Jiu jitsu is not for street fighting, its a sport. Take up something like Jeet kune do or arnis; you might even loose weight on the process.
theman91111 3 years ago
Your an Idiot. I don't think you quite understand the concept of Jeet Kune Do - it's not a martial art, it's a system of training.
Bruce Lee trained in submission grappling as well as fencing, boxing Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu and fencing. A true Jeet Kun Do practitioner would not write off any martial art, he/she would train it, take what's useful and move on to train something different. Form in formlessness.
debergarac 3 years ago
Rule of dick : IN A RAPE ATTEMPT YOU PROBABLY WILL GET INTO THE GUARD AS A FEMALE.
... but taping out someone has to be replaced with poping out something. And practice the escape after THAT also.
23rdtry 3 years ago
HA HA agreed
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
agreed
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
i got a question right. in todays day and age women are learning so many fighting styles so i guess they can roll with men now, so why is it that its still so generally bad if a man and woman get into a fight what with women bein so tough now especially you that take jujitsu. how come the man is seen as a coward,ass,pussy, etc if women can fight just as good or better
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
The same reason a man is considered a coward ass and a pussy if he beats up on a man 50 pounds lighter than he is.
soetsme 3 years ago
well if that man trained in stuff that keeps tellin him size dosnt matter and/or he goes startin shit cause he/she is so cocky oh sorry 'confident' in their skills then i see no reason why the bigger person should be labeled as an ass,coward, pussy, when they show that size does matter and handles em
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
Size and strength are factors. Training is a factor. Speed is a factor. The most important factor in a fight is timing.
Jiu-jitsu is very good against a larger, stronger opponent but nobody is invincible. If a girl were to be trained and start acting tough she should have an attitude adjustment. Anyone who starts something deserves to get hurt. I'm talking about a man who attacks someone he's pretty sure he can beat. That's cowardly.
soetsme 3 years ago
'I'm talking about a man who attacks someone he's pretty sure he can beat. That's cowardly.'
AGREED
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
haha nice bitch...
OLO7 3 years ago
Excellent professional demonstration and very nice moves. Very simple and effective moves for the ground work. I wish, there were more lessons for women on that subject. Interesting to watch and very educational. Very few women-instructors can teach self-defense so professionally, with insight and to the point. God bless.
ProfRaphaello 3 years ago
everyones an instructor now. Pretty soo there should be some cardio kickboxing version of jiu jitsu and the self defense aspect of the art will be completely eliminated.
bjjkombat 3 years ago
is the dvd worth buying ?
curtin1 3 years ago
I'd roll with her any day.
Ohnani 3 years ago 3
guard
FranktheShanker12 3 years ago
sometimes, passing the gaurd just isnt an option
FranktheShanker12 3 years ago
I got next with her!
midknighttiger187 3 years ago
Basically showing some jiu jitsu.
She should take a class
thecheatedband2005 3 years ago