Pulsing Hydrogen Fuel Cell - Resonant Charging Choke Concept

[papaenojado92]

or translate it in a text?

[papaenojado92]

podrias explicarlo en español?

you could explain it in Spanish?

[a2zhandi]

somewhere along the way, I picked up 20khz is optimal. I have NO experience in any of the electronics :-( I'm afraid it's stifling my advancement.

[a2zhandi]

yes. Higher voltage is the way to go.

[dylan3657]

if i am wrong please excuses me

[dylan3657]

he is wrong about meyers facts for astart its 100 winds

[sharmaml2007]

I want to see auto gas toroidal tank manufacturing video

[thewonn]

Did you ever get to experiment with the toroid?

As well, did you hook up the inductor to the inverter - if so what were the results?

thanks

[drumstick9000]

how do you use the alternator as a step up transformer?

[waterwart]

Hey? What happened to sirhoax's chaneel? It's like, one day it was there and then the next its gone!

[xsports49]

this video helped alot

have you tested a ca coil yet?

[xsports49]

can you give me anymore info on how to build the ignition coil driver?

thank you

[myleftnutts]

@noimw so they wen't to all that trouble to "Poision" a scamartist???. now if u think that's true,what in da hell are u doing up in here???. when u could gettin yo azz back in that "GasLine".

[kapierenundkopieren]

Hi there! Any progress on this project? How about using a MOT in place of the step up transformer?

Check out

Stanley Meyer VIC resonant electrolysis mod

by user hdemartin

wish you luck ;)

[bartley440]

It's been awhile, any progress? I think I know what some of us are over looking and I even check Stan's patent again to make sure and after listening to Bob Boyce talk about how everyone is trying to us a PWM to find the freq.

[bartley440]

LIke Stan and Bob stated, You need to have a steady DC voltage across the plates with a AC freq riding on top. Bob said the DC is the carrier for the AC freq that actually improves the HHO production. Then you step the DC voltage up. Ramp charge the cell using the AC voltage on top of the applied (constant) DC voltage!

[sirHOAX]

Working on a injector tied to a high-voltage cell. Tube type, but its a center threaded rod. As of now the cell is complete, but the electronics are half way through. Looking forward to providing some updates in the near future.

Did you get my latest reply to your earlier message? Regards, ..S..

[bartley440]

Sure did, Thanks!

[digitalgod2]

you can buy fully assembled drivers with 555 for pretty cheap and their fully adjustable, you can even hook them up in series as primary and slave

they have different models for different applications they range form 5 to 36 volt, have fun

[bhaskarboye]

its an excellent circuit.can you please give the circuit details

[evolivid]

if you view the water as a capacitor then you need a reactive circuit to change the frequency based on the waters capacitance with a inductor

[sirHOAX]

We pray your ideology dies with your dead horse. Stanley Meyers was either a sinner or a saint, and if we replicate his set-up in-time this will all be figured out.

Time will be the judge. My recommendation to people that do not want to persue this technology is to go back to watching TV. Waste your time more efficiently.

We need people to start thinking for themselves. Be curious.

Einstein stated: 1-Cubic inch of water could pull a mile long train around the world. --fact--

..Think..H2O..

[thirdeyetemple]

@sirHOAX i agree totally!!! what the the hell is wrong with these people? u can't fix stupid.... keep doing your thing sirhoax. good stuff. i believe stan was for real no doubt.

[av8or98a]

In the video that I saw of Stan Meyers adjusting the frequency, he said the frequency was 20KHz.. You mention in this video 200 KHz. Why don't you try 20KHz?

[sirHOAX]

The patent information describes frequencies between 0Hz - 10kHz, but then again the bifiler coils act as a frequency doubler. An its unsure if the tube picks up its own frequency seperate from the circuit, or atleast translates differently. You really have to know what his circuit contains, its not a simple PWM. Its much more complex.

If you try to brute-force his technique it won't work. As in high-voltage pulsed staight to the cell. Doesn't work. Its a tuned circuit, that needs tracking.

[b0utch]

keep up the good work!!

[sirHOAX]

Thanks. Hope we can crack this thing together, release the information on youtube, and bit-torrent. Let people know the truth and pray for a better tomorrow.

[Goobelham]

Wait...so the coil limits the amperage...but now you need the tranformer to spike the voltage? Did i get that right? :)

So what Meyer was going for was high voltage low amperage electrolysis

[sirHOAX]

If you take a look at his schematics he shows the bifiler/trifiler choke wound with the step-up transformer. He winds the bifiler before the step-up that is found on top of the bifiler coil. He even has spacing between sections of the bifiler to split it up, like spacers. Then the step-up or VIC in on top with no spacing wound.

He combines the choke with the step-up. Rather interesting. People have tried it without completely understanding the concept. More tests need to be concluded. .-.S.-.

[Goobelham]

Happy Birthday Nikola Tesla!

Cool stuff, SirHoax!

[rickeg6]

great work keep it up,

[lvildos]

I don't see the point to the step up transformer, the coil/diode/capacitor combination should step voltage up if fed at its resonance frequency. Energy should keep flowing into the arrangement regardless of how small the peak voltage of the power source is in comparison to the water cell voltage

[sirHOAX]

There has to be a form of decoupling. The magnetic core of the transformer does this. It clearly will put out more energy than input by means of tracking frequency relative to input.

Its obvious if you start the cell cold with the step-up transformer in place. It pulls high amps, and low voltage. Once tuned, tracking, etc. The opposite happens. The transformer is needed. Once locked-on, resonance gets caught in the magnetic field of the xmfr+tube-cell. --S--

[AmandatronDhunder]

haha duty cycle. XD

[drewmaster74]

Do you have a schematic for this? If so can I have a copy of it?

[servall1]

i love all videos thanks for sharing

[recbo]

Iron core, your welding rods, are inefficient there. Have you looked at Lindemann, Bedini, et al for core materials that do not permanently magnetize like iron? You could trap back emf better if the material would give up the energy. I will go back and find the material. It is leftover from some metal refining process, and you would cast it using epoxy to form your core there.

[prototype9000]

stanley meyer also in his lectures spoke of raising the voltage to 1000 or more volts to let the voltage do the work and the voltage will resonate by itself in the capacitor in the water his cells were also round mabe ill try myself when i get the time

[96cobramustang]

sir hoax I have ran across a video that you have to see about resonance and electrical current being multiplied masses.You seem to be sharing info so I thought you needed to see this...............

[GentleManSteve65]

Stan said plates wouldn't work with his invention. That might be why your not getting the right HHO output

[GentleManSteve65]

I wonder if people know why Stanley meyrs had a lot of Patents. He was closing the market on doing electrolysis his way so he came up with patents to make sure somebody couldn't come in and change one thing in his patent and start using and patent it so he had multiple patents so people shouldn't change his patent in one way or another.

[flipster12000]

reverse the polarity on your negative side of the bifilar coil. it will make a huge difference in your cell.

[itsmrdavid]

Hi, I appreciate all your videos.

I just have a comment on the diode:

The "work" it's doing is passing current. There's no work in blocking.

I'm not sure what type you're using, but many have like a 0.7v drop. Much like a resistor, it will dissipate some power, and get hot.

[105octane]

Why not just use an automotive coil?

[flipster12000]

Automotive coil is not bifilar meaning it doesn't have two output coils inside.

[valveman12]

What is the PIV rating of the diode? If it's heating up a lot, you may be going over the PIV rating.

[evolution2015]

Hi sirHOAX, i was wondering if you could help me.

i want to build the Meyer resonant circuit but i am having trouble finding these capacitors

would you know where i can order them from.

100mf 16v electrolytic

47mf 16v electrolytic

10mf 16v electrolytic

1mf 16v electrolytic

220nf 0.22 mf ceramic or polyester

100nf 0.1 mf ceramic or polyester

10nf 0.01 mf ceramic or polyester thank you

[nowplanb]

Oh yes, I forgot. No electrolyte, just regular water, and elements were 2 tubes of stainless, one inside the other, at a .0045 inch gap between the inner tube and the outer tube with a few escape holes around the bottom part of the outer tube, all in a p.v.c. pipe bomb of sorts-(water in, h.h.o. out).

[nowplanb]

I downloaded his part of his manual once, but had a bad internet connection. But, I remember, he said the circuit should produce 1000v d.c. pulsed at 100 pulses per second, amperes only in the milliamps, so a car inverter only produces about a tenth of the voltage and a million times too much current.

Good luck my friend, and keep it up. Be careful.

[davidvasha]

Take out the diode. The diode was there to mislead and to not to be duplicated. Try without a diode and find a transformer.

[cribcat1]

Already tried A.C. with a microwave transformer with no elyte solution in distilled water. It heated the transformer well.

[rabrewer]

good job keep up the good work! what diode did you use

[cribcat1]

Very interesting. Are you using a programmable logic device or an op amp? Or a dual 555...for the osc/pwm.

[slider1860]

SirHoax, Are you still working on this?? I have not seen anything new for some time. Man I think that you are close. I think that we can get there for here. Post something if you are still here.

[slider1860]

I think that the capacitance of the cell varies with the content of the water and the HHO production. So this is a variable. I think that there is more to Meyers schematic than is shown. like his variable coil on the bottom side of the cell, i think that this is another circuit in itself. He also needs another circuit that senses the current draw that sets the duty cycle off for a period of time to "let the water rest" At the time you disassociate the molecule is when you draw the most current.

[kaboooom2000uk]

Hi your experiment looks quite interesting. I am thinking of doing a resonant system for my HHO cell i have made. I will be treating the cell as a lossy capacitive element of a standard parralell tuned circuit. Il be running an inductor in parallell with the cell in the hope to induce a circulating current through the plates and hopfully get a better hho yeild. Il try and post a vid if i get time. keep upt the great work.

[theoneagain]

its gonna take years to figure out how stan made all that hydrogen with his cell.?

AND without that little thing that we need or the bit that is missing we will never get engines running on the fly

[slider1860]

I think that SirHoax is close. I think also that he needs to get the voltage up into the KV range. I also think that his choke also needs to be tuned so that it does not filter out the signal to the cell at the frequency that he needs. another thing is NOT to use an electrolyte and that is not needed at a higher voltage anyway. That part of the circuit is an LC series circuit F= 1/2 pi sqrt LC. you need to know the value of C or the cell.

[prodeckman]

How do you "tune" the choke?

[slider1860]

Prodeckman. Do a search on Google for a series LC resonant circuit. This will explain better than I can do here. You want to try to achieve a frequency of 40-45khz then you need to find the capacitance value of your cell with h2o and no electrolyte. Then with the resonant LC formula you can figure what the value of L needs to be. The caveat is that the value of C or "your cell" changes with HHO production and content of h2o impurities.

[slider1860]

also if you look at Meyer's patent he has a variable inductor on the bottom side of his cell. This was part of a phase lock loop circuit that kept his circuit in resonance.

Hope this helps get things started. Wish I knew where SirHoax has been.

[prodeckman]

thanks slider1860!

[cribcat1]

theoneagain, There are thousands of people working on this, it will happen. This is the information age, it will be free.

[theoneagain]

stanley meyer used volts to make hydrogen restricting amp flow what s the key more volts you applied more the production

[flipster12000]

You also need a variable resistor on the negative side of your coil for tuning. Also maybe use the step up transformer from a fluorescent light. They have ferrite cores so it should be able to handle the frequencies you need. Also use a ferrite core on your bifilar coil.

[flipster12000]

You must use a ferrite core on the bifilar coil. Welding rods wont give a good strong resonance because of the iron.

[copleygsxr]

why dont you use a coil off of a car that is what im going to do lets say 20 50,000 volts

[bluestix]

Its musical.

If your guitar is out of tune the people won't dance.

[1miltond]

toes anybody knows of a elctronics component suppliers small orders on line please let me know

[theoneagain]

if stan was still here we wouldnt have to do all this messing keep up the good work keep posting and watch the petrol goons

[flyfisherholms]

Why arent you using the allow or platnum tubes instead of regular plates. I think that the tubes would create a better resonance which is the whole idea behind Meyer's hydrogen producer. anyway keep up the good work

[logger6126]

Do you think it would be difficult to build a stationary generator that ran on hydrogen? A V-8/15 KW Generator. You would start it on gasoline and switch to Hydrogen after you started making HHO. I am brand new to this. Just ideas I have. This is so interesting to me, Keep up the good work!!

[davidchenard]

I'm pretty sure the frequency you want to split water with is 42.8 kHz. and not 6.6 kHz. Specifically 42742.2 Hz. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Good luck.

[christiandusk]

the 43 kHz is know as the know as the Keely range. That for making the whole water molecule vibrate. But its not sound that Meyers refers to when using the word resonanse. Its electrical resonance. Just like the resonance circuit in a Tesla coil. The Meyers circuit is a mirror image of that. The way to make the Tesla coil work is to tune the resonance in both coils with the spark gap and Meyers uses a wiper arm on one choke to make his tuner equal to the spark gap in the Tesla circuit.

[Elcanom]

what no one ever seems to talk about in my opinion is on the patent diagram at the bottom on the charging choke labeled "wiper arm" it seems to me that this indicates that the choke is adjustable? Do you have any thoughts on this?

[christiandusk]

You have to use NO sodium and only clean water making the water more resistant.

The choke works great.

In pulsing you have to pulse it at the natural frequecy of water at around 6.6 kHtz.

[Gyva02]

got any further on this? awesome stuff.

[carbednotch]

Can you explain your plans for the Toroid coil?

[0ddba11s]

Have you thought about using a 12VDC to 240AC inverter then feed the 240 into a bridge rectifier but then pulse the 240 DC with a transistor and feed the pulsed 240 into the bifilar coil?

You see you will not be able to run the inverter input at 200 khz etc and get the same 200 khz at it's output it will try and create 50 or 60hz. So 50hz through a bridge rectifier will become 100hz then pulse the 100hz at any frequency you want.

[sirHOAX]

Have to rectify the house current possibly somehow throw off the phase on 2ndary coils?caps? Not sure, but it can be done.

Regards, --S

[Arrpegiofromhell]

are you talkin about useing house electricity because im trying to figure this out

[overunitydotcom]

Hi SirH,

so your bifilar coil is not setup to cancel its magnetic field, but setup like a normal transformer ? You have to be careful to

use the word bifilar, cause normally it is

used to describe a coil that just cancels its own magnetic field. So it is more a transformer with parallel would wire.

Where do these very short spikes come

from ?

From the water dissociation?

Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.

P.S. come to overunity dot com and publish your circuit,ifyou would like.

[0ddba11s]

No it is not used like a transformer DC wise + is to the anode straight through a diode and one side of the bifilar. Cathode is through other wire on the bifilar to NEG via the FET.

The step up transformer is still to be added.

[0ddba11s]

Your car inverter may not work at 200 Khz or 146 Mhz etc.

Some people talk about 42580000 Hz for resonant frequency of hydrogen on google.

[Simeneizer]

Hello, I see another frequency on our scope at the end of the video. It is very low and it's amplitude modulation frequency (the top and bottom peak going up and down ). I find this interesting.

[0ddba11s]

I was doing this last night on my 15 plate cell with out a choke it pulls 38 amps on pure water with choke I can not get higher than 15 amps. The wire on the diode turned red will put a video up when I have time.

Good video thanks.

[crazzieg]

A flyback xfmr primary is tuned to 15750 khz on a Tv, a computer mon uses a higher primary freq 85 khz maybe this is the easy way as some one else suggested. You don,t have to mess with making a core. The current will be limited by the size of the primary wire. And there are many taps on a flyback to play with.

The secondary has about a 1k to 3k feet of winding, might be worth trying. Making your own core is a total PAIN. Unless you have a way to test the permeability of the material.

[crazzieg]

Good work Hoax. I have been using your single clam shell as a base system for my test setup. And have measured rain water no electrolyte through the cell at around 30 meg. My meter does not go any higher than 400 uf, and the cell is some what higher, guessing around 750 uf to maybe 1F. Using these numbers gives a ballpark set to wind the coil by. Discounting Xc and Xl gives a 100 or so turns of 22awg on a 3/4" air core for the freq your trying.

[sirHOAX]

Yes that is funny your about right on the money. They recommend 100 turns 22awg on 3/8" ferrite rod.

We are well on our way.

[MattBlytheTheOne]

have you thought about using a tesla tuned coil, that way you would be able to produce high voltages for milliamp inputs, maybe enough to split the HHO molecules? that was the whole point about resonanting freqs it made the splitting process more efficient.

[MattBlytheTheOne]

if you could get the current right down and still produce from the cell that would be great. I suppose the trick is to find the optimal resonant frequency and set up to produce maximum HHO for minimum power input.

[Madmac306]

Hi there great work your doing, I know it's not relevant to this video but have u had any problems with the positive plates being eaten away? Also have u tried other metals like titanium

[massware]

One flyback television nucleous (squared "U" shape)can have the same rapid effect cause works to 20 or more khz! Do you agree?

[sirHOAX]

Yes they even said "E" cores work very well to make a "I" shape. Choke on the center core. Maybe two outside wound w/no inside. Either or. One I'm sure would work well.

The KHz is an entirely different story.

o.O

[ktservicescorp]

try using the metal core found inside an ignition coil(high pro if possible). It will surprise you :). I am going to shave these thin strips of metal(don't know what it is) down into small pieces and make a resin core. Someone in the world of science already(I believe with this material) found the best metal to collapse the magnetic field. just another bi-polar thought hehe

T

[mindjump]

Great work, has anyone measured resistance of their cell in water with connections/current, and without connections/no current in water? What resistances are you getting. My cell appears to drop resistance 10x with current. Tnx.

[dreamyear]

finally found it!

the key answer is not Charging Choke...

[m3sca1]

the plate is a capacitor-and with coil its a tank circuit.thats why no response at 200kHz

[sirHOAX]

Well the low-voltage isn't working correctly. This weekend will have a new circuit built to handle the 120Volt-Rectified house current. It will be 3-55Volt MOSFETs in series. See how it goes.

[ktservicescorp]

Hey Hoax,

Nice work. Instead of the 555 timer and transistor, I have my pulse motor and relay switch pulsing. I don't have an oscilloscope to track frequencies and if I did I wouldn't know how to use it :) What car transformer are you talking about?? I have a junkyard 10miles from my house (its a pick apart deal so I can go in and get what I want for a couple of bucks. I believe you are close bro...HIGHER VOLTS lol.

T

[sirHOAX]

Yes, if this is true with this coil and it is in-fact limiting amperage to the hho-cell-plates. Then the higher voltage is key. Just hope I don't blow my self up with the rectified house current and the 3x55Volt N-Channel MOSFET transistors.

The car inverter didn't appear to work correctly. Need to order a new one. :=)

[exanchorite]

hey Hoax,

I'm still learning a lot and have started to build the Stan meyer cell. I noticed you wanted some black sand from your post on pochintwin's vid. I get gold as a hobby out of a local river. I have about a pound of pure black sand right now, but I can get more in a couple weeks. Do you want it? PM me.

-Kevin

[sirHOAX]

Its called Magnetite, and its typically found as black-ink-toner. It has a ability to magnetize and de-magnetize quickly. Without holding a magnetic charge. Great for pulsing coils to get a quick sharp collapsing magnetic field that might harness more energy in the coil if built properly.

[ktservicescorp]

so mixing up a paste of resin and toner and making cores out of it would work better than Iron??

[sirHOAX]

These are things we have to conclude, possibly mix the magnetite with clear epoxy to make custom cores.

The way the choke works is it creates a north to south pole on one side of the bifilar. Then while that is taking place it makes the opposing south to north on the other side of the bifilar. Supposedly this will create the "resonant charging choke" we need for limiting current.

It can be designed in various shapes. :=)

[marthale7]

This is a cliff hanger, I want to see it with the missing part! :)  Thanks man you are an inspiration.

[bodziobran]

radiant electricity = magnetic current = back EMF

[sirHOAX]

SHHHHH! Don't tell anyone! :=)

[dreamyear]

the key is capacitor...it produce mass hho.

[sirHOAX]

Hopefully this weekend can make these attempts to apply the car inverter to the circuit for higher voltage to be used for production. Rather than lower voltage and higher amps.

The 12volt to 120volt inverter is rated 1500watts. So that is the 2nd half of the "resonant charging choke" test. Wish me luck.

Stay tuned.. :=)

[ktservicescorp]

by the way...I am showing .038 amps (pulsed of course, according to people who write me it makes a difference) and getting quite a lot of work from this motor. I ran my motor for 4 days and went from 12.5 volts down to 12.10 volts. Then my relay burnt out hehe. P.S. I burnt out my transistor, all the lights too. My diodes and resistors are still in tact though. Sorry I am just very excited and ramble on.

T

[sirHOAX]

That is good results on efficiency. Really interesting for sure. :=)