if you purchase the aem meth kit which supplys you with everything you need to use it tht comes with its own progressive controller which in turn allows you to start the controller say at 5psi then set your max psi say 14psi so then what will happen is the aem kit will start giving water/meth at 5 psi at a low percentage then increses the percentage throught out the boost which means you getting extra power threw the boosting proccess aswell as the main 100 percent shot at full boost a win win
The spray is too coarse (droplet size) - needs to be like mist or fog, and the injector ought to spray through the center of the inlet, not from one side to the other.
you need an accumulator tank on that setup? Your water jet is pulsing, which happens when you use certain on demand pumps (such as certain Shurflo pumps) plumbed straight through to the injection nozzle without an accumulator tank. I realize this vid is 5 years old.
the meth kit jet is inserted right b4 the throttle body. u set up the boost solenoid that comes with the kit at a certain level (eg 15psi). so when ur car reaches 15psi, the pump turns on & the meth/h2o gets injected into the engine. the meth allows you to run highr boost levels without having the engine knock. It decreased the temp of the air that gets sucked into the combustion chamber. the liquid gets evaporized almost instantly. so if you want to run 18psi u can w/ this.
@USGiorgi why would you want the octane to go up with higher boost levels ? just wondering out of curiosity ... i know that the higher the octane the more pressure it needs to ignite ... does low octane fuel predetonate at high boost levels ?
@brandonch25 Yes Exactly right. The higher the octane rating, the more compression the gasoline can take before igniting. With higher boost levels, the cylinders are already at a pretty high pressure from turoo before they start to go upward to compress the fuel and air mixture. If you run higher octane, the additional pressure will not predetonate the mixture. Basically you get the same effect with 93 octane gas and high boost as if you put 87 octane gas in regular boost which is engine knock
Terrible. Bad pulsing, (crappy pump) youhave the nozzel exposed so when air is running through it, it won't atomize it'll actually turn into more of a stream than you see right there. Take a look at modern fuel injection the injector's exit is sheilded or shrouded from air so it can form it's spray pattern first.
@kronikally420 NO sweat. AEM sells a nice continuous pump that is internally bypassed for smooth operation, and all this gent has to do is raise the tip about a half inch above the top of the plenum and he'll see waaayyy better results with less water too!
@Nettikturbo I should mention the depth of the recession has to do with the spray pattern angle btw. It's just tough because when there is no air moving by it, it looks sorta ok spraying into it, but when air is moving through that plenum at 4 tenths the speed of sound it'll literally just dribble right from the nozzle.
@ph7ryan For 300 HP you need about 250cc/minute. But only when you're at full power so a gallon would usually last a couple of tanks of gas at least. Less if you're racing. (If you're not metric savvy just look it up. Everyone else is metric now).
This maybe a stupid question even though covered it but is it possible to use methanol on stock engines w/ just bolt-ons? If so are there and bad side-effects?
The water cools the charge (Air entering the engine) and the meth increases the octane (makes it harder to light the fuel) so you can run more boost/timing without the risk of Det.
On a forced induction car the charge air gets very hot due to it being compressed before it reaches the combustion chambers. Water sprayed at a very high PSI through a very small nozzle causes the water to atomize. This water is then absorbed by the very hot charge air and cools the charge temps tremendously allowing you to run more boost/more timing at a much safer level. :) Hope this helps
@D666Shadow If you have a turbo car it will inject 50/50 Methane into the Air Intake then into the engine keeping your turbo cooler therefore being able to maintain a higher PSI on the turbo.
@DrJim44406 I've tried water and 50-50 water methanol (not methane... that's a gas) and I can't feel the difference (although ading methanol should give you a bit more power). But methanol is corrosive to some metals especially if it has copper in it (like bronze) so when you look at the cost, the corrosion risk and the minimal benefit, I wouldn't bother unless you're trying for the max such as in drag racing.
I've been running meth/water injection for some time now.
ChevyMuscle - It takes ALOT of water to cause trouble. Most of it is absorbed into the air and/or evaporated before reaching the cylinder. The air is much cooler/denser as is the exhaust gas.
They're GREAT on turbo cars, I love mine. I am current running a 150psi pump with a snow performance 675ml/min nozzle (rated at 60psi) with a 75% meth mix.
i've been wondering for a long time but, i got a AEM water injection kit, i was jus wondering where exactly do you get water/alcohal or methanol from? I've heard you use winshield wiper fluid.
Then i went to a hobby store which they sell 5 gallon tanks of 99% methanol, are you suppose to mix it with water cuz some injectors require 50-50 mixture of water and methanol.
you can use the 99% methanol but if 5 gallons is too much for you, you can go to any auto parts store (Kragens, AutoZone) and buy some HEET (the yellow bottle). It costs about $1.29 and its 99% methanol...Thats what i was running on my 12 second DSM and it worked great!
injecting water into your engine will massively increase pressure inside the cylinder. this will eventually kill you engine by forcing it to contain pressure it wasn't built to handle.
Totally wrong! meth injection lowers intake charge temps, and GREATLY reduces the chance of knock. Its more like turning pump gas into race gas but better! Very popular in turbocharged engines cuz it allows you to run more boost and add timing and not have to worry about knock.
@monandjay No it doesn't. I've been using Water Injection for almost 20 years and all it does is make your fuel behave like high octane. I went from audible detonation on a turbo RX7 at 10 psi boost on 96 octane to no detonation at 15 psi boost on 91 octane and my 80-120 kph went from 4.2 seconds in 3rd to 3.6 seconds. Ran it for years like that, no problem. It's one of the best kept secrets in gas engine performance!
A couple of friend grabbed a nontuurbo engine with high compression ratio and turboing it along with the water injection setup to see if the engine blows I find that pretty funny but smart at the same time
Wrong. Water injection helps cool the intake charge, improving effiecency due to better atomization from the cooled charge. And like Hanadia said, further tunning can be achieved from this. It's like adding a nitrous spary bar to an intercooler. ONly your injecting water into the intake.
thats normal for a M3 nozzle. you think thats alot? you should see my M5... its surging like that because you need an accumulator. Either way its normal. Might need to tighten down the nozzle alittle more. Make sure it sqeezes the rubber pretty good on the washer.
if you purchase the aem meth kit which supplys you with everything you need to use it tht comes with its own progressive controller which in turn allows you to start the controller say at 5psi then set your max psi say 14psi so then what will happen is the aem kit will start giving water/meth at 5 psi at a low percentage then increses the percentage throught out the boost which means you getting extra power threw the boosting proccess aswell as the main 100 percent shot at full boost a win win
NAKEDPERFORMANCECARZ 6 months ago
shit load of water to be spraying into your engine ...
Tj1056 6 months ago
The spray is too coarse (droplet size) - needs to be like mist or fog, and the injector ought to spray through the center of the inlet, not from one side to the other.
callmeshane303 6 months ago
what does it do give it more power, makes it faster, better takeoff
C11376 8 months ago
you need an accumulator tank on that setup? Your water jet is pulsing, which happens when you use certain on demand pumps (such as certain Shurflo pumps) plumbed straight through to the injection nozzle without an accumulator tank. I realize this vid is 5 years old.
scooterforever 10 months ago
AH thats a shit load of water dude ahahaha.
budzag 1 year ago
that looks like 2g intake right?
MrTurbo4G63T 1 year ago
@MrTurbo4G63T
It is not a 2g intake...the TB elbow is from the FMIC kit from slowboy racing
tavo80816 1 year ago
@tavo80816 iv been trying to understand how this works, what does water or methanol injection work? what does i do? and why do it? just curiouse lol
mrsledhead7 1 year ago
@mrsledhead7
the meth kit jet is inserted right b4 the throttle body. u set up the boost solenoid that comes with the kit at a certain level (eg 15psi). so when ur car reaches 15psi, the pump turns on & the meth/h2o gets injected into the engine. the meth allows you to run highr boost levels without having the engine knock. It decreased the temp of the air that gets sucked into the combustion chamber. the liquid gets evaporized almost instantly. so if you want to run 18psi u can w/ this.
tavo80816 1 year ago
@mrsledhead7
In simple terms, it increases the octane rating of the fuel going into the engine.
USGiorgi 1 year ago
@USGiorgi why would you want the octane to go up with higher boost levels ? just wondering out of curiosity ... i know that the higher the octane the more pressure it needs to ignite ... does low octane fuel predetonate at high boost levels ?
brandonch25 11 months ago
@brandonch25 Yes Exactly right. The higher the octane rating, the more compression the gasoline can take before igniting. With higher boost levels, the cylinders are already at a pretty high pressure from turoo before they start to go upward to compress the fuel and air mixture. If you run higher octane, the additional pressure will not predetonate the mixture. Basically you get the same effect with 93 octane gas and high boost as if you put 87 octane gas in regular boost which is engine knock
USGiorgi 11 months ago
Also I bet your pistons are very clean no need for seafoam/ or engine top cleaner two thumbs up
gsxellence 1 year ago
Terrible. Bad pulsing, (crappy pump) youhave the nozzel exposed so when air is running through it, it won't atomize it'll actually turn into more of a stream than you see right there. Take a look at modern fuel injection the injector's exit is sheilded or shrouded from air so it can form it's spray pattern first.
Nettikturbo 1 year ago
@Nettikturbo hey man good observation and helpful post thanks alot
kronikally420 1 year ago
@kronikally420 NO sweat. AEM sells a nice continuous pump that is internally bypassed for smooth operation, and all this gent has to do is raise the tip about a half inch above the top of the plenum and he'll see waaayyy better results with less water too!
Nettikturbo 1 year ago
@Nettikturbo I should mention the depth of the recession has to do with the spray pattern angle btw. It's just tough because when there is no air moving by it, it looks sorta ok spraying into it, but when air is moving through that plenum at 4 tenths the speed of sound it'll literally just dribble right from the nozzle.
Nettikturbo 1 year ago
which is better alcohol or water injection
IxLeGiTxI 1 year ago
@IxLeGiTxI
Alcohol lets you run more boost and decreases engine knock more.
tavo80816 1 year ago
@tavo80816 be careful with modern engines and alcohol though, if the MAF sensor detects alcohol it will swithc the car to limp mode
clutchplate 10 months ago
which is better alcohol or water injection
IxLeGiTxI 1 year ago
how long does a 1 gallon tank usually last you...like a couple tanks of gas, or do you refill it everyday?
ph7ryan 1 year ago
@ph7ryan For 300 HP you need about 250cc/minute. But only when you're at full power so a gallon would usually last a couple of tanks of gas at least. Less if you're racing. (If you're not metric savvy just look it up. Everyone else is metric now).
warren52nz 1 year ago
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This maybe a stupid question even though covered it but is it possible to use methanol on stock engines w/ just bolt-ons? If so are there and bad side-effects?
Mulletboi86 2 years ago
what pump and nozzle cc's is this?
alfsentra 2 years ago
Too much meth
trikemaster420247 2 years ago
why would you want a water injection? i dont really understand why you would do that... enlighten me
D666Shadow 2 years ago
The water cools the charge (Air entering the engine) and the meth increases the octane (makes it harder to light the fuel) so you can run more boost/timing without the risk of Det.
landy321 2 years ago
On a forced induction car the charge air gets very hot due to it being compressed before it reaches the combustion chambers. Water sprayed at a very high PSI through a very small nozzle causes the water to atomize. This water is then absorbed by the very hot charge air and cools the charge temps tremendously allowing you to run more boost/more timing at a much safer level. :) Hope this helps
liftercatcher 2 years ago
@D666Shadow If you have a turbo car it will inject 50/50 Methane into the Air Intake then into the engine keeping your turbo cooler therefore being able to maintain a higher PSI on the turbo.
DrJim44406 1 year ago
@DrJim44406 I've tried water and 50-50 water methanol (not methane... that's a gas) and I can't feel the difference (although ading methanol should give you a bit more power). But methanol is corrosive to some metals especially if it has copper in it (like bronze) so when you look at the cost, the corrosion risk and the minimal benefit, I wouldn't bother unless you're trying for the max such as in drag racing.
warren52nz 1 year ago
Nice video man.
I've been running meth/water injection for some time now.
ChevyMuscle - It takes ALOT of water to cause trouble. Most of it is absorbed into the air and/or evaporated before reaching the cylinder. The air is much cooler/denser as is the exhaust gas.
They're GREAT on turbo cars, I love mine. I am current running a 150psi pump with a snow performance 675ml/min nozzle (rated at 60psi) with a 75% meth mix.
CBTalon97 2 years ago
Loads of info can be found @ methanol-injection *co*uk on water and methanol injection
pimppulsar 2 years ago
isnt it bad to get water into your intake? How is ALL that water evaporating?
Chevymuscle218 3 years ago
lol
cnknguyen 2 years ago
wats the psi rating on ur pump. by the way that nozzle is shootin out that water, it looks like you got a pretty powerful pump
WaZzAp11010 3 years ago
hey cant you just drip and tap it and the intake manifold?? y does it have to be before the throttle body??? and can u feel the power difference??
dustinwaller87 3 years ago
Diesels aren't recommended to run more than 30% methanol but most petrols run a min of 50%
pimppulsar 3 years ago
ww11 old
5154952 3 years ago
i've been wondering for a long time but, i got a AEM water injection kit, i was jus wondering where exactly do you get water/alcohal or methanol from? I've heard you use winshield wiper fluid.
Then i went to a hobby store which they sell 5 gallon tanks of 99% methanol, are you suppose to mix it with water cuz some injectors require 50-50 mixture of water and methanol.
thanks
Mulletboi86 3 years ago
you can use the 99% methanol but if 5 gallons is too much for you, you can go to any auto parts store (Kragens, AutoZone) and buy some HEET (the yellow bottle). It costs about $1.29 and its 99% methanol...Thats what i was running on my 12 second DSM and it worked great!
tavo80816 3 years ago
does it require any mixture with water or you use it straight out the jug?
Mulletboi86 3 years ago
No need to have a methanol kit to get in the 12sec with a DSM ... Maybe more at 9sec :)
vinsspower 2 years ago
do that to ur exhaust after ur muffler (s) but wit gas and rig the flame thrower kit into it ull be the biggest flame shooter
Nikon89xj89 3 years ago
injecting water into your engine will massively increase pressure inside the cylinder. this will eventually kill you engine by forcing it to contain pressure it wasn't built to handle.
monandjay 3 years ago
That mist is instantly evaporated as it gets sprayed just before the throttle body. The water lowers the air's temp=more HP!
tavo80816 3 years ago
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LashoutUK 1 year ago
Totally wrong! meth injection lowers intake charge temps, and GREATLY reduces the chance of knock. Its more like turning pump gas into race gas but better! Very popular in turbocharged engines cuz it allows you to run more boost and add timing and not have to worry about knock.
ls1maro99 3 years ago
@monandjay No it doesn't. I've been using Water Injection for almost 20 years and all it does is make your fuel behave like high octane. I went from audible detonation on a turbo RX7 at 10 psi boost on 96 octane to no detonation at 15 psi boost on 91 octane and my 80-120 kph went from 4.2 seconds in 3rd to 3.6 seconds. Ran it for years like that, no problem. It's one of the best kept secrets in gas engine performance!
warren52nz 1 year ago
surely pumping water into your engine isn't good for it...
Blaeven 3 years ago
And obviously you have never owned a Turbo DSM....huh? First time at the track, the car ran a 12.6
tavo80816 3 years ago
whats the flow rate of that nozzle/ system?
whitenight639 4 years ago
you dont need water injection if your mapping is spot on
dontGIVEaFCUK 4 years ago
thats not the point ,you can run more boost and get more power and if you have a high CR ratio eg 11:1 then its a must
Janaida 4 years ago
A couple of friend grabbed a nontuurbo engine with high compression ratio and turboing it along with the water injection setup to see if the engine blows I find that pretty funny but smart at the same time
Sterlin876 3 years ago
Wrong. Water injection helps cool the intake charge, improving effiecency due to better atomization from the cooled charge. And like Hanadia said, further tunning can be achieved from this. It's like adding a nitrous spary bar to an intercooler. ONly your injecting water into the intake.
Frostman182 4 years ago
how you use this device? what kind of injector is? the presure delivered in psi?
alex681219 4 years ago
where is this from, and what is it good for ? please msg me..
BADtimmay 5 years ago
thats normal for a M3 nozzle. you think thats alot? you should see my M5... its surging like that because you need an accumulator. Either way its normal. Might need to tighten down the nozzle alittle more. Make sure it sqeezes the rubber pretty good on the washer.
mastadogg2 5 years ago