"I'm the greatest, and that's all there is to it." Ha. Your dogs were raised structured, mentally stimulated, and loved. Cesar works with dogs who have received the opposite. Your tender, loving methods would do nothing for the dogs he takes on. He doesn't train dogs, he rehabilitates them. Opinions should be backed up with facts.
I think cesar millan is a diffrent type of dog trainner. He handles extreme cases of agression. No offence but it dosent look like you are training extremely agressive dogs.
@AustinStudios I agree, I don't think Milan considers himself a dog trainer; he teaches people how to control dogs that are out of control. Once under control then they can be taught... which is more than can be said for most of the owners he has to deal with
This is all nice, but there is a HUGE difference between dog trainers and dog behaviorists, as they serve different purposes. If you wanna compare Cesar Millan from National Geographic to someone from the same category , compare him to Victoria Stilwell from the show 'It's me or the dog' (Animal Planet). They have different approaches but the results are similar. I like them both because they are good in what they're doing and you can see that the dogs end up loving them too.
Both Zak and cesar are good trainer. I have seen both of their programs and find that zak rarely handle dogs that are aggressive as Cesar's. Yea, we should understand our dogs and also let them understand us. But the question is. How do we train a unstable, aggressive, fearful, dominance dog to understand us and not charge at every single strangers or dogs? Do we go face to face like how Zak does and give them a treat once they make a eye contact? Zak do teach his dogs very nice tricks.
I will treat my dog as i treat my child. The dog will get a correction to the snout or side to indicate that i do not accept of what they just did, as i would slap my child's hand when they touch something there not aloud to touch. And most often when i catch her doing something i don't want her to do i will place her in a 'time out' , in a corner where she can not see my or my family but can freely leave it. but i will place her back until the time is up then i will welcome her back with love.
Cesar Millan is not a Dog Trainer, at beginning of his program he always metion the following words: "No dog is too much for me to handle. I rehabilitate dogs, I train people. I am the dog whisperer."
However, at the end of the day Cesar Millan is on National Geographic and you are still filming yourself...
I think that we aren't dogs or wolves so we shouldn't treat our dogs as if we were that, because they know we aren't. I quite understand Ceser Millan's methods but I think they're not the bests... I think positive reinforcement works much better :D
have you even seen the dog whisperer? He doesnt "train dogs" He rehabilitates unstable dogs. Ur dogs...are far from unstable so u wouldn't know, people don't know how to handle dogs like u so they need help. What you do, and what ceaser does are completly different. His way is rising and so is urs...not a big deal
It's interesting because David Mech, who was the first guy to coin the phrase "alpha male or female" has recently stated that his research has been hugely perverted by Dominance and Pack Theory proponents and that he now uses the term "breeding male or female". I fhte guy who started it says that it's not what he meant in the first place and that even wolves don't have these "alphas" why is everyone else still holding on to it? Google David Mech and pack theory and read some of it.
@KatMoFu I think you fit into a rare category of those who takes the time to learn from a variety of different people and can, in turn, see the good in the information that you have collected and mix and match to create a style that works for you and that you are comfortable with, without passing judgement on those in which have shaped your methods.
My biggest issue with Cesar's methods is that most people will improperly apply them and great damage to the dogs happens as a result, and at worst people can get bitten, the dog will often become more aggressive, etc. The methods shown simply should NOT be presented on TV to the public, the disclaimer they shown alone reflects how inappropriate these are for the average person to use, but of course, millions of people now follow his demonstrations with their own dogs.
Cesar Millan does NOT /shove/ his dogs on the ground.. he does put them on the ground if they are agressive. He makes them submissive.. and thats how it should be
@mustangirlie121 - research into dog behavior tells us otherwise. Holding a dog down does NOT make them submissive. It does cause them to shut down, but that is not anywhere near the same thing.
Simple leashes like Cesar uses are used in nearly every shelter, humane society, vets office, and animal hospital in the US. Try doing some volunteer work at one of these places and find out for yourself.
Cesar Millan being yesterday's dog trainer is a load of crap. Same is "that type of dog training has been quite popular in the recent years". I am 35 yrs old, and we got our first dog when I was 3 yrs old, and my father tought me the EXACT same thing as Cesar Millan is teaching us now; Be a good packleader. Work WITH Mother Nature, not against her.
cesar millan deals with troubled dogs. most of his cases the dogs are already beyond saving. sure with puppies raised with you his methods are a bit harsh. however, with dogs that are already conditioned by many years of neglect, lack of training and socialization, it is the only method to save them. for example u would not rehabilitate a serial murderer using the same methods to rehabilitate a toddler, it just doesn't work. it is not bullying them, it is giving structure and saving their lives!
Positive reinforcement and Cesar Millan is like comparing pears and apples. To teach a dog that is looking and listening to you and waits for the click/frisbee some tricks is different than teaching an aggressive dog in the red zone that you won't tolerate his behaviour.
I have watched many episodes of "the dog whisperer" and from my speculation the majority of these cases on the show would have been preventable if the owner taught the dog obedience in a consistent manner.
is essentially up to you to take what you learn in the class and apply it consistently at home and in public. You have to learn training and obedience classes direct you and provide guidance. They do not train your dog for you. The classes teach you to train your dog.
What Zak does is prevent behaviour problems to begin with. If you teach a dog obedience and how to do tricks you develop a bond with your dog. I would also venture to say that by doing these things (teaching obedience and tricks) in a timely and consistent way that you prevent 99% of "bad dog" behaviour. The problem lies with the human most of the time because they are not consistent with obedience. Taking your dog to a class once a week with a trainer isn't going to teach the dog obedience. It
I would like to see you try to handle even one of the dog that Cesar works with. Let's See how your "Dog Training of the Future" methods work then. You can teach dogs how to go bowling and go the the bathroom in the toilet...you can't stop two dogs from killing eachother like Cesar can. & at least Cesar is humble and accepting to other dog trainers. He never puts anyone down like you.
The only reason you chose to answer this question is because Cesar Millans name was in it and you thought it would be a good way to get attention. Otherwise you would have never given the video such a title. Get real, cesar rehabilitates dogs, if you watch any of his shows you would see that he's obviously not some egomaniac on a power trip. He aims to help, and his methods work, just because he doesn't use treats and a clicker 24/7 doesn't mean he's wrong.
Firstly Cesar does not claim to be a dog trainer - quite clearly! Secondly, if you have ever watched a mother dog discipline her pups, you would see the very corrections that he uses. A pack of dogs will maintain order in the same way.
He also respects all dog training professionals and welcomes learning from everyone - it is quite unfortunate that you seem to need to project your own issues and insecurities on to him and his success. His methods are simple animal truths, specific to canines!
@AgilityFox : ) Nor do they necessarily use biting, or even growling. My dog (German Shepherd) was from a large litter, and his mom was NEVER seen correcting any of the pups, ever! And you gotta know they were pains in her rear! LOL. And guess what? My guy is equally patient with unruly dogs. Simply put, don't put your dog in a situation where they will FAIL and learn bad behaviors!
@HeartdogGSD Oh they most certainly do!!! Just because noone was watching when mom corrected her pups doesn't mean she didn't. Today too many human parents do not discipline/correct bad behaviour and we have the highest youth crime rate, highschool drop out rate ever - Do not fool yourself. Discipline is a very necessary part of growing up, and imperative to rehabilitation - Check out drug rehab - if you think they modify severe behaviour problems with hugs and kisses you are crazy!
@AgilityFox Cesar doesn't use choke chains either, he uses a simple rope leash. Only when the owners already use that 'tool' does he help them incorporate it into their training-their choice not his! A theory cannot be proven wrong by another theory!
@AgilityFox nature has no expiry date - using methods that work with mother nature do not become outdated!
I'm not sure if you think my references to discipline mean that I am against positive methods - I'm lost with your train of though! Nonetheless-Cesar's methods are most definately positive. People have these same misconceptions when it comes to disciplining children - the watchdogs are CAS(kids) ASPCA(animals) both endorse physical discipline as long as the emotion behind it is not anger!
@WakeUpArt Oh so you are also stuck in the stone age of dog training (rehabilitating, educationg or whatever one wishes to call what we do with dogs) like CM. :-(
@AgilityFox Go search cesar millan pit bull terrier episode. i have 3 parts. The dog had been abused and neglected for 2 years and left in the yard after it was sold. The new owner of the house kept him tgt with their dogs and soon found out about its abusive side due to the previous owner.
Listen to the new owner. They contacted animal rescue organization and positive dogs trainer. The answer they get was, "No hope, the dog have to be put down". Cesar came and made the change.
Millan has used a choke collar several times. And the rope serves the same purpuse to choke the dog. That is why he places it high on the neck near the jawline where he can exert pressure directly on the trachea and there is little muscle to protect it. Makes the choking of dogs easier to sell if he makes it look easy.
Real trainers know how to instill internal discipline on their dogs instead of relying of fear to get them to behave.
@WakeUpArt - that's a large part of why many of us disagree with Cesar's methods - because they DON'T have any relationship to actual dog pack behaviors. Cesar has never had ANY training in behaviorism, all that pack stuff he talks about is way off the mark of what scientists that have studied dogs and dog behavior for years have found to be the case. The alpha roll for instance, is not something dogs use. A dog is never forced to submit to another dog, they *choose* to do so.
@WakeUpArt sorry to disagree with you but its like being a bully what cesar milan is doing its like me saying and bigger and do wat i say thats what he saying.. zak is saying i will bond with you and understanding you
Also a good point to remember is that Millan deals with alot of behavioral issues opposed to tricks and things. not saying i favor either one but its a point to remember
In his first book Milan came down hard on American female dog owners and said we are permissive. So how come most dog trainers are women and most dogs that compete in obedience work, agility, rally etc are women. He is stuck in machismo.
By what you are saying, it sounds to me like you are the insecure one feeling like another dog trainer, in this case Cesar Millan, is actually better than you and you are trying to bring him down by saying nasty things about him, My respect is COMPLETELY to Cesar, and if you think you are better than him in any way my friend i have NO respect for you and never will. Sorry to say, but you are a COMPLETE idiot :)
cesar millan rehabilitates dogs with serious behavior problems, completely different with your everyday dog trainer, if you watch his show he is not teaching dogs tricks, he is either getting them to overcome a debilitating fear, in which he never "bullies" the dog, or making an aggressive do passive before it has to be put down.
He rescues dogs not trains them, and is a good hearted guy who loves animals
It cracks me up at how such a simple thing as choosing a method on how to train your dog can get people so worked up...i just love my dogs to death that's all i know :)
I saw one of ur videos and thought lets try another and came across this one. Disappointing to see someone hit a jugular with negative comments that dont appear very well informed. I enjoy watching training videos and taking from them what i feel is good and ignoring the bad. No need to be hating. Stick to training and stay out of bs of that nature. Stay neutral. Disappointing.
one thing! Cesar millan has said several times, that he rehabilitate Red zone dogs! so basically he's not a dog "trainer"?
ive only seen him take action with aggressive dogs and his methods seems to work and ive not seen him hurt a dog in any way, and you think your methods would work as good on aggressive dogs? "red zone" where most people would put the dog to sleep...?
@barret89 - Cesar's show is not just about red zone cases.He's done episodes with fearful dogs, hyper and yappy dogs, etc. He had a whole series on raising puppies. Now I don't find much of what he does objectionable, but many things are so easily misapplied by inexperienced people. He has a whole range of training DVDs and books, so it's certainly silly to say he's not a "dog trainer" because clearly that's a large part of his appeal to the general audience.
I don't know where the person you are quoting gets his idea that Cesar says you have to be dominant! His methodology is to use calm assertiveness, never bullying. Insecure? Cesar? The whole idea is laughable. Truly. Watch him, study him and see how very understanding he is with all dogs as individuals. No 'one size fits all' for Cesar. I use his methods with my dogs and it is very successful. I use some other positive methods as well. Anything that works and isn't abusive to the dog is good.
Its very easy to criticise someone else verbally, but have you ever actually watched Cesar Millan? Have you studied the psychology of the dog to the same depth as Cesar? Incidentally, Cesar Millan is not a dog trainer, and he states this frequently himself. He also NEVER criticises another dog professional. He just says there are many different methods of training. I have never, ever seen Cesar brutalise any dog and I have watched most of his episodes and read all of his books. Have you?
@AgilityFox I have never seen Cesar kick any dog in the stomach. He may tap them on the side with the foot that is farthest away from them because that way there is no danger of the tap being too hard. He is not into bullying any dog. I watch Cesar's videos many times over to see exactly how he achieves the results he gets, and I have never seen any cruelty or bullying. His timing is impeccable, and I only wish I had a fraction of his gift with dogs.
@zakgeorge21 I think before releasing part 2 or part 3, you should watch a few episodes of "The Dog Whisperer" to get a better feel of Cesar Millan's so-called "training"
He's not a "trainer" but a "dog psychologist" that specializes in aggressive cases and aids the recovery of abused dogs. A lot of the things he does is very situational. Saying things like "shoving a dog to the ground" is said out of context. When I see Cesar Millan work with dogs, it doesn't seem cruel or inhumane (to me)
I just did a youtube search for "aggressive dog positive trainer" and the only hits were for "positive" trainers with non-aggressive, shy, and scared dogs, or other training methods that are denounced by PPers. VS in IMOTD has dealt with few truly aggressive and dangerous dogs. In "Living On The Edge", Sammy bit her and she was afraid to touch him after that. And she had a Springer Spaniel, Benji, euthanized when she couldn't help his "rage".
Cesar is on the way down? I could not disagree more. Cesar doesn't do dog training, he does dog psychology. In fact during his shows if he thinks a dog needs training he takes the dog to a trainer.
"Yes, we keep hearing this from the compulsion trainers but they have no actual proof to back that claim up. When talking to people who work in rescues and shelters, the majority or dogs given up have no real training at all or only fragmented bits of this and that or had CM type methods used that made them aggressive."
ROFL! Are you kidding? No proof of Positive-Only trainers doing harm, but you have documented proof to prove that CM methods do harm! Who are you trying to kid?
For those who claim that Cesar's methods produce only temporary fixes, and that there are no follow-ups, please watch the Dog Whisperer's 100th episode celebration, where almost all 100 people and their dogs participate in a huge picnic and show how well their dogs are doing after 1, 2, or three years. And one of Cesar's books on the first two seasons has followups with only a small percentage showing failure. I can't post a link but I'll try to use it as a video response.
Zak: Part 1? Is there a Part 2? I think you should add some further comment and qualify your opinions as they appear in this video. I agree with most of what you say, but not the insinuation that Cesar bullies or advocates bullying dogs, or that he does so from a position of insecurity. Many who incorrectly try to copy his more forceful methods may be guilty of this, and harsh corrections and intimidation are not to be used on a "soft", fearful dog.
I wouldn't say you are so "professional" as one may take you as. Perhaps a video will be in the making of all your mistakes and stupidity. Be careful where you go with this... ;)
Wow - good setup! Quite the agenda behind such a specific question. My two cents, for what its worth, is that this is not much more than some anti-cesar propaganda. I'm not sure whether its on Zak's end or the viewer who wrote the e-mail, but the question specifically addresses only the controversial bits from TDW - alpha rolls, dominance theory, etc. It sets up the type of response that Zak then gives. I'm kind of surprised - I didn't peg Zak as the type who vilifies other dog handlers.
I just did a youtube search for "Zak George dominant aggressive". No hits. Same with a Dogpile search. "Cesar Millan dominant aggressive" has a lot of hits. Of course, PP zealots deny the existence of dominance.
"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." Chief Dan George.
See Shaun Ellis, who lived with wolves and trains dogs.
OK, Zak, you accepted a challenge to teach a dog to pray. Now I challenge you to take on a dog labeled dominant agressive, with a serious bite record, and show us how you rehabilitate him to be a calm, submissive, and well-balanced family pet who can be walked safely in a crowd of unknown people, children and dogs. I'll even give you chances with three dogs, but you must show your attempts with all, and use no physical aversives. You may use a muzzle if you put it on the dog yourself.
Hey Zak, I wanted to say that I'm a big fan yours. Your videos have been helpful in Frisbee training with my border collies. I think your tricks are creative and I have trained my dogs to do many of them. I'm also a fan of Cesar Millan. As a trainer myself, I like keep an open mind and learn from as many trainers as I can. We may not always agree, but getting other perspectives helps us grow. Why don't you post a video of you training a dog that is aggressive and has bitten people and other dogs
@thatoneguy2 : I totally agree with you! I love watching Zak's trick training, love Kikopup's obedience training (although I don't use a clicker), I have Dog Star Daily bookmarked, and participate on the Cesar Millan Community forum frequently. I use R+ for teaching my dogs, but they know the word "NO!" so I can stop unwanted behavior and offer them an alternate behavior. I "sshhht" my dogs if they need it, and I don't alpha roll or pop their leashes. so where do i fit in??
wooooooo did that ever ruffle some feathers, i think there is a time and place for each method, all depends on the dog and the age at which you get the dog while understanding what personality has already set in with the dog when you get it. good video though i liked it
My original comment was deleted (I don't know how? It wasn't meant to be rude), so I thought I would comment again. My comment was one of the highest rated comments on the video (last I saw , it had 12 likes before it "disappeared"). Obviously others agreed with the advice that I gave. In your video about teaching a dog to stand on your back, you mention how you were featured on WITH CM in a highest-rated dog category. You used his fame to compare yourself to. Didn't have a prob with him then!
@socialist23: Lol! I don't think he has a problem with Cesar Millan. He was just stating that Cesar Millan is yesterday's dog trainer plus the reason why.
I like Zak, I like his methods, I really do. But I feel this is pretty harsh and shows that he hasn't taken the time to get a clear & whole picture of Millan (or the dogs he works with). Feels a little "designed" to stir up comment chatter and an endless, time-wasting YouTube debate..
Certainly he is entitled to his opinion, my problem here is he is directly bad-mouthing another professional and painting a very unfair & one-sided picture. Easy to do when it's just him in front of the camera.
@PatBattleBF1942 well...from what I have seen from CM, he is right....and dominance and all this in dog training is not solid information but a lot of myth...and with all due respect to other peoples methods, opinions and what not, brutality, pain, fear and all this should not be combined with dog training...we all move on , we all progress and so should how we treat our social partners
Just wanted to add that I wish we were all this fanatical and passionate about training ourselves to be good dog owners. In that case we wouldn't need Zak, CM or Victoria and my life would be more concerned about giving doggies their regural shots, rather than having to deal with spoilt or dangerous dogs...
My opinion - the reasons a lot of americans dont like cesar - he is a mexican who has done extremely well for himself. the reason most trainers dont like cesar - he believes it is usually the person who is in the wrong and not the dog. most people find it hard to face the fact the dogs issues are not helped my them.
Cesar practices a better way of living that can have positive affects in all areas of life. He is open minded and says that there is more than one way, shame others cant do same.
Different people,different training methods.Different opinions.I look at my dog as if he were my child.. No means NO. Now if I can leave out me hitting a dog that's great , if with showing dominance I get the result I'll use it,and yes.. It is my opinion that the dog has to have a leader,someone that will correct his behavior and show him how to act properly.I don't need a spoiled dog that does what he wants,I'm the one feeding and taking care of him,not the other way around .
Cesar is amazing and knows what he is doing. He in no way "bullies" dogs. You guys are two different types of trainers. While I understand you are giving your opinion..you are committing like 3 different types of logical fallacies. I would at least like to see some valid reasoning for your argument. Meh...distasteful.
The writer is incorrect in saying that Cesar is ONLY about dominance. Cesar is about rehabbing dogs that have serious behavioral issues. I am a rehabber and have used Cesar's methods to help many dogs. I take on aggressive dogs, fearful dogs and dogs that have serious behavioral issues. I have watched Zak's show and enjoyed it very much. However, for dogs with serious behavioral issues, I will stick with Cesar. The people who adopt my dogs will agree that my dogs are friendly and happy.
Cesar does't train dogs, he rehabilitates dogs and trains people. Zak demonstrates how to train and take care of dogs, while Cesar trains people who have led their dogs astray. These are not comparable. Zak chooses not to even address dog problems ex: recent video on dogs barking, unlike Cesar who trains the people not to leave their dog in an exited state.
Both are very helpful in different ways.
Whenever Cesar is over a dog, it is because the dog is dangerous, it is needed.
I love Zak and I think his methods are amazing....but for a dog without behavior problems. The point of the Dog Whisperer is to help those dogs that seem beyond their owners control....not to train your dog.
Standing over your dog isn't the only way to show dominance lol. That's only necessary if a dog is displaying behavioral issues. There's many simple ways to show dominance. I don't know if I agree completely but I like your approach towards training!
Continued from me AquaticZissou: The cases Cesar handle are dogs who have no purpose in life, does not get proper exercise and no mental challenge. And then become nervous, anxious, agressive etc. He then says he "trains" the owner to better understand their dog. But he does not claim to be a dog trainer. Sorry just felt the need to correct this missunderstanding. I like both Cesar and Zak. But if I could choose one method it would be. Give your dog a job and a purpose in life :-)
I agree and disagree. Cesar is NOT claiming to be a dog trainer. But claims to be able to stop unwanted behaviour, and does so. And in his cases he create some stability in a nervous frustrated dog who does not have people who understand what a dog need to be happy and stable.
Sack does from my point of view have a perfect understanding of what a dog need to be happy and stable. His dogs have a purpose in life and a job. That is what make a dog happy, just like humans, Having something to do.
~I think Cesar Milan's ideology is based on dog's natural instincts and behavior. They are gregarious animals and they have leader in the pack. In human family dog should follow his master. A dog with a good master is a happy dog. Upbringing should always be logical; the two dog trainers do well with different styles but being logical in training.~
@minnaslyfan actually and to me more interestingly - dogs don't have a pack leader - they form what is called fluid social groups with many of them taking turn to be "leader of the pack" - how do they choose their leader? The pick who is best at getting their resources - who ever is good at catching rabbits get's to be leader today - who ever is good at catching rats is leader tomorrow. Dogs are not wolves and live in a more socially cooperative group setting...
They both have some great methods. The thing is, dogs love unconditionally, and I think Caesars dogs love Caesar, just as much as Zak's dogs love Zak. Caesars methods are really good for controlling dogs who are more prone to dominance issues & I think with a lot of those dogs, it's also a thing of respect. The dog has to respect you as their authority.
It's like these dumb parents that just want to be their kids "friend". Great, but don't forget to be the parent, that's what earns kids' respect
@saxxxophoneee it isn't at all like a parent wanting to be there childs friend - positive does not mean passive. There are two ways to learn with pain or with pleasure - both are capable of increasing or decreasing a behaviour if you understand who to utalise basic techniques. It isn't about the cookie it is about access to resources if my dog co-operates with me, he gets that resource, if he doesn't he won't (that is a punishment) - that is the step that parents (and dog owners) miss...
in order to become a surgeon you need to learn how to be a doctor first. So in order to change dog behaviour you should learn such a basic thing like teaching a sit. Actually Cesar doesn't do any of them :(
GUYS NO NEED TO SAY THAT ZAK IS BETTER THAN CESAR, CESAR IS BETTER THAN ZAK. Cesar rehabilitates and Zak trains, that's where all the difference is. Cesar deals with severe behavioral issues, Zak teaches commands and TYPICAL behavioral issues, which Cesar can't really deal with. If you can't teach your dogs tricks or want to tell your dog to not pull/bark/do typical faults, Zak will help. If your dog has EXTREME aggression, anxiety, obssesion, Cesar will be your hero.
@FattyDudley If you follow Zak from the start or any good trainer for that matter you probably won't have to rehabilitate your dog. If you have to rehabilitate your dog that probably means you or somebody else did something you should have know not to do to your dog. Allot of what Cesar fixes can be prevented by being a decent parent to your dog.
@kristalghost Yeah, fortunately, with my past dog, I have no severe behavioral problems. The only problem I had with her is pulling when I take her for walks.
@FattyDudley Now see, here you go making me feel hostile again. You're wrong - Cesar will not fix aggression and especially not anxiety. We've already taken the time to illustrate the why: learned helplessness is not a fix it's a bandaid. BAT/CAT and similar R+ methods change the inner emotional response of the dog to the thing it fears/hates and is thereby the only long term solution.
@FattyDudley You asked for links but we cannot provide them in youtube comments: google pack theory 4pawsu. The post outlines all the information and provides additional information at the bottom, as well as outside references and sources.
I have a question, do you know indoor activity could do with my dog, cuz sometimes the weather really not conducive and I want to spend as much time with my dog. Thanks
As much as I agree that his methods from the past, I was hoping to actually hear *why* you thought so. I think you can do better than that. There are comments in here that make far more sense than what you said in your video unfortunately.
All CM done to Cotton was to make him a lot worse, Cotton was just a normal dog when he got involved, since then Cotton has just got worse and worse. Cotton isn't the only dog he has made worse, I wonder how many of the dogs are alive now that he has handled over the years and why were they pts.
@kaoimewolf You assume too much. Actually,I never use prong collars. And due to the fact that my fear of my dog shredding my arm (for the third time) had come to the point of me not wanting to touch him, I didn't even use a physical touch. I used the "Illusion" collar and firm commands. I changed my attitude towards my dog and used Cesar's body language techniques to help me.
@liefpandabeertje Thanks for the support. My original comment (which I don't think I was being rude or anything in) was one of the "highest rated" comments, and it was "somehow" deleted, so I'm sure he saw it - just got offended and deleted it. Too bad.... Think he just lost a sub.
@socialist23 when i watch cesar it just makes my day.. the guy is always so frikkin positive .. He makes me wanna be positive too. When i watch Zak i'm getting depressed because he's always whining and talking down on people ... WEIRD huh AND he never teaches me anything !!? or did i just miss that video?
There is a difference between training and helping dogs with behavioural problems. You can't train a dog to stop biting other animals/humans, as it is a behavioural problem. My dog is perfectly trained, will do all tricks under the sky, but still used to bite me really badly. I watched numerous people - experts and did my research, the only thing that saved my pitbul from being euthanised was Cesar's method. I wonder how many dogs you can save by trying to stop them biting by giving them treats?
@Vaggelis98 There are scientifically sound ways to rehabilitate a dog who has this behavior problem without alpha rolls and intimidation. Quite often people inadvertently teach their dogs to be aggressive to other dogs through their own training technique, specifically when they use aversive training tools like choke chains and prong collars.
@Vaggelis98 i don't understand why people would not like Ceasar? this guy (agilityFox) even said he would rather put it to sleep than let Ceasar touch it ??!!! are they insane!!
@Vaggelis98 Exactly, but most people don´t get it in their heads that you can´t solve such things with giving treats.
The best advice for most of the commentary posters on here is go look in your mirror, then ask yourself can I do the things that Ceasar does better? The human being in the mirror will answer NO I CAN´T, and at that point you should realize that you should stop running your mouth.
@SiberianAnubis Actually, I look in the mirror and say, "I CAN do it better than him and I will". Before you dismiss us you might actually want to read into some of the concepts we've talked about here - learned helplessness being at the top of that list since it applies most to Cesar's techniques.
@harr0der Don´t get me wrong but I can and I will says you haven´t yet. Sorry I haven´t read all th ecomments because there are too many but from what I read so far there were no real methods explained to rehab dogs. In th epast there was too much authority in education, today there is absolutely no authority, that´s why we have so many "problem dogs" and "problem children" today
@harr0der Don´t get me wrong but I can and I will says you haven´t yet. Sorry I haven´t read all th ecomments because there are too many but from what I read so far there were no real methods explained to rehab dogs. In th epast there was too much authority in education, today there is absolutely no authority, that´s why we have so many "problem dogs" and "problem children" today
@SiberianAnubis "I haven't read all the comments" ok then go find the comments where we explain or do you expect me to repeat myself to everyone who is too lazy to go find the information we already took the time to type? And there's nothing wrong with someone just starting out - you're really going to say just because I'm just getting going and all my responses thus far are backed by people much more experienced than I (with sources) that I'm not able to talk about something?
@SiberianAnubis Also, that is why places like APDT, BEN and ABC have started. To begin offering regulation and ways of sharing information/current research among trainers. We have already begun the movement to regulate and get credentials.
@Vaggelis98 Positive training isn't just giving treats, many dogs won't work for treats so they will be completely useless with them. You won't work for free, you want wages and so do dogs,their rewards is what they find is rewarding not what we find rewarding. Having taken on quite a few dogs who's next step was pts if I couldn't turn them round and turned everyone round, they are now living life as normal pets, I wouldn't use any of his methods on any dog, I respect dogs too much for that
@Maggienoname I am a trainer myself and use positive training methods on all my dogs. For example I am completely against the use of e-collars, prong collars etc. In my own experience I have found that training a dog and rehabilitating him/her is something completely different. I don't follow one method only. Each dog is seen as an individual and his/her training or rehabilitation is tailored accordingly. However I have found that in extreme cases CM method does do wonders for the dogs.
@Vaggelis98 I don't follow one method only, those using positive methods have to think outside the box to set the dog up to do what they want. Positive methods are not just stuffing a dog with treats, I rarely use them. The only method I use is, "If I won't do it to a toddler I won't do it to a dog, their learning capability is similar. Want to see what damage can be done to a dog's neck, have a look at tracheotomy-in-dogs.yolasite.com/
@Maggienoname I am also a vet and have done extensive research as to whether CM method hurts the dogs in any way. It doesn't. What does hurt them is when other people copy CM method. My way of respecting dogs is trying to find a method that helps them with their problem, no matter what I think of the personality/hype/public's love for the person's methodology. As long as it helps the dog, and in no way harms them, everyone's methodology is good in my book.
@Vaggelis98 I agree more harm is done by people trying to copy CM but hanging a dog from the end of a choke chain does hurt the dog as well as cut off the air supply. He cuts off the air supply quite a lot of times, this isn't training a dog, the dog has to give up he has no choice. In the UK a trainer was jailed for doing this. That isn't the only method he uses that does hurt the dog. As a vet you should know the damage to a dog's neck and trachea that somemethods can causes.
@Vaggelis98 There are plenty of studies out there that prove the harm those methods do. But I am curious can you supply the studies you have done and the results they had when you submitted them for appreciation? i will wait patiently
@segicm saying that he is a "dog psychologist" would imply that he has actually gone to school, studied animal behavior and, in so doing, gotten a degree. He has not, and thus is not a "dog psychologist."
@kaiomewolf He learns from nature and he doesnt need a school to understand animals psyhologi ...If u watch his show u can see that he's acting like a dog .He do what dogs naturaly do...
He was learned from his dogs and he studied a wolfs behaviors in nature...
@segicm Oh? Dogs "bite" with a clawed hand? And they bite for every infraction? No, I beg to differ. He did not study wolves behavior at all. He "studied" a pack of near feral dogs while a CHILD on a ranch. Dogs left to their own devices and not family pets. Wolves don't act like he does. At all.
@HeartdogGSD "And they bite for every infraction? " Do you ever watch a pack of dogs in wild ? And what alpha do if follower do something wrong ? THEY BITE .Alpha dont say "you will not eat today" he just bite.
And I think that clicker training is good. I used it to train my dogs, but i thing that you cant correct a dog behavior with clicker if he is in "red zone" .
and again you can't compare Zak and Cesar becouse they do completely different things...
@segicm - your comments alone show how little you know about dogs. The concept of "alpha" for instance is not appropriate with dog packs. Dogs do not have a strong alpha male and female the way wolves do. A alpha wolf has a very clear position in a pack. Dogs will have levels of dominance over each other, but they do not have an "alpha" like wolf packs do. And even in wolves, the alpha is not the one that would correct another wolf for misbehavior, the beta wolf is the one that is the enforcer.
"I'm the greatest, and that's all there is to it." Ha. Your dogs were raised structured, mentally stimulated, and loved. Cesar works with dogs who have received the opposite. Your tender, loving methods would do nothing for the dogs he takes on. He doesn't train dogs, he rehabilitates them. Opinions should be backed up with facts.
comptonzfinest 7 months ago
he isnt a dog trainer he is adog psycologist and rehabilitates dogs who need it
TrebbleMovement 7 months ago
I think cesar millan is a diffrent type of dog trainner. He handles extreme cases of agression. No offence but it dosent look like you are training extremely agressive dogs.
AustinStudios 7 months ago
@AustinStudios I agree, I don't think Milan considers himself a dog trainer; he teaches people how to control dogs that are out of control. Once under control then they can be taught... which is more than can be said for most of the owners he has to deal with
chrispoel 7 months ago
This is all nice, but there is a HUGE difference between dog trainers and dog behaviorists, as they serve different purposes. If you wanna compare Cesar Millan from National Geographic to someone from the same category , compare him to Victoria Stilwell from the show 'It's me or the dog' (Animal Planet). They have different approaches but the results are similar. I like them both because they are good in what they're doing and you can see that the dogs end up loving them too.
VrabiaHipnotica 7 months ago
Both Zak and cesar are good trainer. I have seen both of their programs and find that zak rarely handle dogs that are aggressive as Cesar's. Yea, we should understand our dogs and also let them understand us. But the question is. How do we train a unstable, aggressive, fearful, dominance dog to understand us and not charge at every single strangers or dogs? Do we go face to face like how Zak does and give them a treat once they make a eye contact? Zak do teach his dogs very nice tricks.
xiaoquan 7 months ago
I will treat my dog as i treat my child. The dog will get a correction to the snout or side to indicate that i do not accept of what they just did, as i would slap my child's hand when they touch something there not aloud to touch. And most often when i catch her doing something i don't want her to do i will place her in a 'time out' , in a corner where she can not see my or my family but can freely leave it. but i will place her back until the time is up then i will welcome her back with love.
Zaphyr1276 7 months ago
BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING YOU SHOULD SEE THIS CEASAR VIDEO:
/watch?v=RFCGtatpCwI
thats all.. thanks
belthazor000 7 months ago
Cesar Millan is not a Dog Trainer, at beginning of his program he always metion the following words: "No dog is too much for me to handle. I rehabilitate dogs, I train people. I am the dog whisperer."
However, at the end of the day Cesar Millan is on National Geographic and you are still filming yourself...
MadFantastic7 7 months ago
@MadFantastic7
Idiot, zak has 2 TV shows...
belthazor000 7 months ago
I think that we aren't dogs or wolves so we shouldn't treat our dogs as if we were that, because they know we aren't. I quite understand Ceser Millan's methods but I think they're not the bests... I think positive reinforcement works much better :D
PaulaFlanin 7 months ago 3
I would not like to be around your dog, because your not the boss of your dog, just his little friend... sad.
appelstroop4 7 months ago
@appelstroop4 Oh yes, I'm sure his dogs are ruling over him with those frisbees. I can't roll my eyes hard enough.
doxamully 7 months ago
have you even seen the dog whisperer? He doesnt "train dogs" He rehabilitates unstable dogs. Ur dogs...are far from unstable so u wouldn't know, people don't know how to handle dogs like u so they need help. What you do, and what ceaser does are completly different. His way is rising and so is urs...not a big deal
DisneyLover305 7 months ago
It's interesting because David Mech, who was the first guy to coin the phrase "alpha male or female" has recently stated that his research has been hugely perverted by Dominance and Pack Theory proponents and that he now uses the term "breeding male or female". I fhte guy who started it says that it's not what he meant in the first place and that even wolves don't have these "alphas" why is everyone else still holding on to it? Google David Mech and pack theory and read some of it.
Hieronymus851 7 months ago
@Hieronymus851 You kidding me? wolves don't have alpha? lol
xiaoquan 7 months ago
@KatMoFu I think you fit into a rare category of those who takes the time to learn from a variety of different people and can, in turn, see the good in the information that you have collected and mix and match to create a style that works for you and that you are comfortable with, without passing judgement on those in which have shaped your methods.
thatoneguy2 7 months ago
My biggest issue with Cesar's methods is that most people will improperly apply them and great damage to the dogs happens as a result, and at worst people can get bitten, the dog will often become more aggressive, etc. The methods shown simply should NOT be presented on TV to the public, the disclaimer they shown alone reflects how inappropriate these are for the average person to use, but of course, millions of people now follow his demonstrations with their own dogs.
maryjo313 7 months ago
Cesar Millan does NOT /shove/ his dogs on the ground.. he does put them on the ground if they are agressive. He makes them submissive.. and thats how it should be
mustangirlie121 7 months ago
@mustangirlie121 - research into dog behavior tells us otherwise. Holding a dog down does NOT make them submissive. It does cause them to shut down, but that is not anywhere near the same thing.
maryjo313 7 months ago
You video just shows that you have never seen Cesar Milan work. Period.
tltoburen 7 months ago 2
Simple leashes like Cesar uses are used in nearly every shelter, humane society, vets office, and animal hospital in the US. Try doing some volunteer work at one of these places and find out for yourself.
thatoneguy2 7 months ago
Cesar Millan being yesterday's dog trainer is a load of crap. Same is "that type of dog training has been quite popular in the recent years". I am 35 yrs old, and we got our first dog when I was 3 yrs old, and my father tought me the EXACT same thing as Cesar Millan is teaching us now; Be a good packleader. Work WITH Mother Nature, not against her.
14u2nv 7 months ago
SHAME ON YOU!! Using cesar millan good name to benefit yourself. You suck!!
jimmart32 7 months ago
cesar millan deals with troubled dogs. most of his cases the dogs are already beyond saving. sure with puppies raised with you his methods are a bit harsh. however, with dogs that are already conditioned by many years of neglect, lack of training and socialization, it is the only method to save them. for example u would not rehabilitate a serial murderer using the same methods to rehabilitate a toddler, it just doesn't work. it is not bullying them, it is giving structure and saving their lives!
misorange 7 months ago
Cesar milan is todays dog trainer
sloryder777 7 months ago
I never saw u dealing with aggressive dogs, do u have any videos?
sloryder777 7 months ago
Positive reinforcement and Cesar Millan is like comparing pears and apples. To teach a dog that is looking and listening to you and waits for the click/frisbee some tricks is different than teaching an aggressive dog in the red zone that you won't tolerate his behaviour.
EmmaShadyLilly 7 months ago
I have watched many episodes of "the dog whisperer" and from my speculation the majority of these cases on the show would have been preventable if the owner taught the dog obedience in a consistent manner.
Koreagrrl 7 months ago
is essentially up to you to take what you learn in the class and apply it consistently at home and in public. You have to learn training and obedience classes direct you and provide guidance. They do not train your dog for you. The classes teach you to train your dog.
Koreagrrl 7 months ago
What Zak does is prevent behaviour problems to begin with. If you teach a dog obedience and how to do tricks you develop a bond with your dog. I would also venture to say that by doing these things (teaching obedience and tricks) in a timely and consistent way that you prevent 99% of "bad dog" behaviour. The problem lies with the human most of the time because they are not consistent with obedience. Taking your dog to a class once a week with a trainer isn't going to teach the dog obedience. It
Koreagrrl 7 months ago 2
I would like to see you try to handle even one of the dog that Cesar works with. Let's See how your "Dog Training of the Future" methods work then. You can teach dogs how to go bowling and go the the bathroom in the toilet...you can't stop two dogs from killing eachother like Cesar can. & at least Cesar is humble and accepting to other dog trainers. He never puts anyone down like you.
mizznickjandtomk 7 months ago
@mizznickjandtomk If people did not raise dogs with prehistoric methods, they would not become agressive in the first place....:-/
AgilityFox 7 months ago
The only reason you chose to answer this question is because Cesar Millans name was in it and you thought it would be a good way to get attention. Otherwise you would have never given the video such a title. Get real, cesar rehabilitates dogs, if you watch any of his shows you would see that he's obviously not some egomaniac on a power trip. He aims to help, and his methods work, just because he doesn't use treats and a clicker 24/7 doesn't mean he's wrong.
Mkisho 7 months ago
@Mkisho EXACTLY... I was trying to figure out how to say what you said, but you just put it perfectly... thumbs up for this comment
iRuss876 7 months ago
@Mkisho This vid is a good opportunity to discuss a change of paradigm: from dominant and abusive, to a positive mindset.
CM ? - He's in it for the money !
AgilityFox 7 months ago
Firstly Cesar does not claim to be a dog trainer - quite clearly! Secondly, if you have ever watched a mother dog discipline her pups, you would see the very corrections that he uses. A pack of dogs will maintain order in the same way.
He also respects all dog training professionals and welcomes learning from everyone - it is quite unfortunate that you seem to need to project your own issues and insecurities on to him and his success. His methods are simple animal truths, specific to canines!
WakeUpArt 7 months ago 13
@WakeUpArt Amen!!
mizznickjandtomk 7 months ago
@WakeUpArt CM's methods are based on the "dominance theory" that has been proven wrong.
And......mother dogs don't use choke chains. >.<
AgilityFox 7 months ago 2
@AgilityFox : ) Nor do they necessarily use biting, or even growling. My dog (German Shepherd) was from a large litter, and his mom was NEVER seen correcting any of the pups, ever! And you gotta know they were pains in her rear! LOL. And guess what? My guy is equally patient with unruly dogs. Simply put, don't put your dog in a situation where they will FAIL and learn bad behaviors!
HeartdogGSD 7 months ago
@HeartdogGSD Oh they most certainly do!!! Just because noone was watching when mom corrected her pups doesn't mean she didn't. Today too many human parents do not discipline/correct bad behaviour and we have the highest youth crime rate, highschool drop out rate ever - Do not fool yourself. Discipline is a very necessary part of growing up, and imperative to rehabilitation - Check out drug rehab - if you think they modify severe behaviour problems with hugs and kisses you are crazy!
WakeUpArt 7 months ago
@AgilityFox Cesar doesn't use choke chains either, he uses a simple rope leash. Only when the owners already use that 'tool' does he help them incorporate it into their training-their choice not his! A theory cannot be proven wrong by another theory!
WakeUpArt 7 months ago
@WakeUpArt Oh...a "simple rope leash"...as if it would make any difference in CM's outdated methods.
You don't seem to realize that "positive" is not synonym of "permissive".
That's exactly what so many people simply do not understand about positive dog training.
*Positive is NOT permissive*...and it works with kids, dogs, athletes, spouses......
AgilityFox 7 months ago
@AgilityFox nature has no expiry date - using methods that work with mother nature do not become outdated!
I'm not sure if you think my references to discipline mean that I am against positive methods - I'm lost with your train of though! Nonetheless-Cesar's methods are most definately positive. People have these same misconceptions when it comes to disciplining children - the watchdogs are CAS(kids) ASPCA(animals) both endorse physical discipline as long as the emotion behind it is not anger!
WakeUpArt 7 months ago
@WakeUpArt Oh so you are also stuck in the stone age of dog training (rehabilitating, educationg or whatever one wishes to call what we do with dogs) like CM. :-(
AgilityFox 7 months ago
@AgilityFox Go search cesar millan pit bull terrier episode. i have 3 parts. The dog had been abused and neglected for 2 years and left in the yard after it was sold. The new owner of the house kept him tgt with their dogs and soon found out about its abusive side due to the previous owner.
Listen to the new owner. They contacted animal rescue organization and positive dogs trainer. The answer they get was, "No hope, the dog have to be put down". Cesar came and made the change.
xiaoquan 7 months ago
@xiaoquan Yeah, the Buddy case.
Positive dog trainers are like dentists - they are not all competent.
CM first said the dog was dominant, but Buddy was fearfull.
Later CM realized that the owners were projecting their own anxiety to their dog.
A competent positive dog trainer/behaviourist would have seen that too, and handle the issue accordingly.
AgilityFox 7 months ago
@WakeUpArt , you are a liar.
Millan has used a choke collar several times. And the rope serves the same purpuse to choke the dog. That is why he places it high on the neck near the jawline where he can exert pressure directly on the trachea and there is little muscle to protect it. Makes the choking of dogs easier to sell if he makes it look easy.
Real trainers know how to instill internal discipline on their dogs instead of relying of fear to get them to behave.
AboutDogTraining3 7 months ago
@WakeUpArt - that's a large part of why many of us disagree with Cesar's methods - because they DON'T have any relationship to actual dog pack behaviors. Cesar has never had ANY training in behaviorism, all that pack stuff he talks about is way off the mark of what scientists that have studied dogs and dog behavior for years have found to be the case. The alpha roll for instance, is not something dogs use. A dog is never forced to submit to another dog, they *choose* to do so.
maryjo313 7 months ago
@WakeUpArt thats the truth, i have never seen any one care so much for dogs and with such strong passion
TrebbleMovement 7 months ago
unsubcribing cos of this vid, sorry, dogs are not humans they need a stong and loving leader being dominant doesnt means bullying
TrebbleMovement 7 months ago
@WakeUpArt sorry to disagree with you but its like being a bully what cesar milan is doing its like me saying and bigger and do wat i say thats what he saying.. zak is saying i will bond with you and understanding you
lape12 7 months ago
that's no cool man,
eggypadua 8 months ago
Also a good point to remember is that Millan deals with alot of behavioral issues opposed to tricks and things. not saying i favor either one but its a point to remember
THISisSTEPHENryan 8 months ago 2
6KsM you are an idiot :) no offence of coarse...
kateastrophic23 8 months ago
In his first book Milan came down hard on American female dog owners and said we are permissive. So how come most dog trainers are women and most dogs that compete in obedience work, agility, rally etc are women. He is stuck in machismo.
anovelideabooks 8 months ago
By what you are saying, it sounds to me like you are the insecure one feeling like another dog trainer, in this case Cesar Millan, is actually better than you and you are trying to bring him down by saying nasty things about him, My respect is COMPLETELY to Cesar, and if you think you are better than him in any way my friend i have NO respect for you and never will. Sorry to say, but you are a COMPLETE idiot :)
6KsM 8 months ago 2
Because its the easier way. Thats all nothing else.
Churros714 8 months ago
cesar millan rehabilitates dogs with serious behavior problems, completely different with your everyday dog trainer, if you watch his show he is not teaching dogs tricks, he is either getting them to overcome a debilitating fear, in which he never "bullies" the dog, or making an aggressive do passive before it has to be put down.
He rescues dogs not trains them, and is a good hearted guy who loves animals
2 different things
dirtyfeeno 8 months ago
It cracks me up at how such a simple thing as choosing a method on how to train your dog can get people so worked up...i just love my dogs to death that's all i know :)
163mojo 8 months ago
cesar millan is beast his dog daddy died in 2009 daddy is the best and cesar is not that agressive he only does that as a last resort
manlyshaytard 8 months ago
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Bullying your dog.... lol, you're trash... that is all.
wshabel 8 months ago
Bullying your dog.... lol, you're trash... that is all.
wshabel 8 months ago
I saw one of ur videos and thought lets try another and came across this one. Disappointing to see someone hit a jugular with negative comments that dont appear very well informed. I enjoy watching training videos and taking from them what i feel is good and ignoring the bad. No need to be hating. Stick to training and stay out of bs of that nature. Stay neutral. Disappointing.
tris2go 8 months ago
Otherwise i would love to see more of your videos, they are amazing and i love the way you're with your dogs, very good trained
and great work!!
barret89 8 months ago
one thing! Cesar millan has said several times, that he rehabilitate Red zone dogs! so basically he's not a dog "trainer"?
ive only seen him take action with aggressive dogs and his methods seems to work and ive not seen him hurt a dog in any way, and you think your methods would work as good on aggressive dogs? "red zone" where most people would put the dog to sleep...?
barret89 8 months ago
@barret89 - Cesar's show is not just about red zone cases.He's done episodes with fearful dogs, hyper and yappy dogs, etc. He had a whole series on raising puppies. Now I don't find much of what he does objectionable, but many things are so easily misapplied by inexperienced people. He has a whole range of training DVDs and books, so it's certainly silly to say he's not a "dog trainer" because clearly that's a large part of his appeal to the general audience.
maryjo313 7 months ago
I don't know where the person you are quoting gets his idea that Cesar says you have to be dominant! His methodology is to use calm assertiveness, never bullying. Insecure? Cesar? The whole idea is laughable. Truly. Watch him, study him and see how very understanding he is with all dogs as individuals. No 'one size fits all' for Cesar. I use his methods with my dogs and it is very successful. I use some other positive methods as well. Anything that works and isn't abusive to the dog is good.
skbushbaby 8 months ago
Its very easy to criticise someone else verbally, but have you ever actually watched Cesar Millan? Have you studied the psychology of the dog to the same depth as Cesar? Incidentally, Cesar Millan is not a dog trainer, and he states this frequently himself. He also NEVER criticises another dog professional. He just says there are many different methods of training. I have never, ever seen Cesar brutalise any dog and I have watched most of his episodes and read all of his books. Have you?
skbushbaby 8 months ago
@skbushbaby To me, kicking dogs in the stomach for example, is brutalizing them.
If you've never noticed the kicking, try viewing in slow motion.
AgilityFox 8 months ago 2
@AgilityFox I have never seen Cesar kick any dog in the stomach. He may tap them on the side with the foot that is farthest away from them because that way there is no danger of the tap being too hard. He is not into bullying any dog. I watch Cesar's videos many times over to see exactly how he achieves the results he gets, and I have never seen any cruelty or bullying. His timing is impeccable, and I only wish I had a fraction of his gift with dogs.
skbushbaby 8 months ago
@skbushbaby That's why I said, If you've never noticed the kicking, try viewing in slow motion.
His "gifts" are mostly being charismatic to people and having good marketing skills...
AgilityFox 8 months ago 2
@zakgeorge21 I think before releasing part 2 or part 3, you should watch a few episodes of "The Dog Whisperer" to get a better feel of Cesar Millan's so-called "training"
He's not a "trainer" but a "dog psychologist" that specializes in aggressive cases and aids the recovery of abused dogs. A lot of the things he does is very situational. Saying things like "shoving a dog to the ground" is said out of context. When I see Cesar Millan work with dogs, it doesn't seem cruel or inhumane (to me)
renkinjutsu01 8 months ago 2
I just did a youtube search for "aggressive dog positive trainer" and the only hits were for "positive" trainers with non-aggressive, shy, and scared dogs, or other training methods that are denounced by PPers. VS in IMOTD has dealt with few truly aggressive and dangerous dogs. In "Living On The Edge", Sammy bit her and she was afraid to touch him after that. And she had a Springer Spaniel, Benji, euthanized when she couldn't help his "rage".
PaulAndMuttley 8 months ago
I'm a professional dog trainer, specifically a clicker trainer and I agree. Thanks for speaking out!
ilovecanines 8 months ago 3
Cesar is on the way down? I could not disagree more. Cesar doesn't do dog training, he does dog psychology. In fact during his shows if he thinks a dog needs training he takes the dog to a trainer.
jucoco1 8 months ago
@jucoco1 What exactly do you perceive "dog psychology" to be?
ilovecanines 8 months ago 6
"Yes, we keep hearing this from the compulsion trainers but they have no actual proof to back that claim up. When talking to people who work in rescues and shelters, the majority or dogs given up have no real training at all or only fragmented bits of this and that or had CM type methods used that made them aggressive."
ROFL! Are you kidding? No proof of Positive-Only trainers doing harm, but you have documented proof to prove that CM methods do harm! Who are you trying to kid?
DC08SI 8 months ago
For those who claim that Cesar's methods produce only temporary fixes, and that there are no follow-ups, please watch the Dog Whisperer's 100th episode celebration, where almost all 100 people and their dogs participate in a huge picnic and show how well their dogs are doing after 1, 2, or three years. And one of Cesar's books on the first two seasons has followups with only a small percentage showing failure. I can't post a link but I'll try to use it as a video response.
PaulAndMuttley 8 months ago
@PaulAndMuttley Great post! Wanted to mention this, but completey forgot! Cheers!
DC08SI 8 months ago
Zak: Part 1? Is there a Part 2? I think you should add some further comment and qualify your opinions as they appear in this video. I agree with most of what you say, but not the insinuation that Cesar bullies or advocates bullying dogs, or that he does so from a position of insecurity. Many who incorrectly try to copy his more forceful methods may be guilty of this, and harsh corrections and intimidation are not to be used on a "soft", fearful dog.
PaulAndMuttley 8 months ago
@PaulAndMuttley Yup. I will address many of the comments in this video to be posted soon. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.
zakgeorge21 8 months ago
@zakgeorge21 Looking forward to it!
I wouldn't say you are so "professional" as one may take you as. Perhaps a video will be in the making of all your mistakes and stupidity. Be careful where you go with this... ;)
PS: Keep your hands off museum pianos.
DC08SI 8 months ago
Wow - good setup! Quite the agenda behind such a specific question. My two cents, for what its worth, is that this is not much more than some anti-cesar propaganda. I'm not sure whether its on Zak's end or the viewer who wrote the e-mail, but the question specifically addresses only the controversial bits from TDW - alpha rolls, dominance theory, etc. It sets up the type of response that Zak then gives. I'm kind of surprised - I didn't peg Zak as the type who vilifies other dog handlers.
KatMoFu 8 months ago
I just did a youtube search for "Zak George dominant aggressive". No hits. Same with a Dogpile search. "Cesar Millan dominant aggressive" has a lot of hits. Of course, PP zealots deny the existence of dominance.
"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." Chief Dan George.
See Shaun Ellis, who lived with wolves and trains dogs.
PaulAndMuttley 8 months ago
OK, Zak, you accepted a challenge to teach a dog to pray. Now I challenge you to take on a dog labeled dominant agressive, with a serious bite record, and show us how you rehabilitate him to be a calm, submissive, and well-balanced family pet who can be walked safely in a crowd of unknown people, children and dogs. I'll even give you chances with three dogs, but you must show your attempts with all, and use no physical aversives. You may use a muzzle if you put it on the dog yourself.
PaulAndMuttley 8 months ago
Hey Zak, I wanted to say that I'm a big fan yours. Your videos have been helpful in Frisbee training with my border collies. I think your tricks are creative and I have trained my dogs to do many of them. I'm also a fan of Cesar Millan. As a trainer myself, I like keep an open mind and learn from as many trainers as I can. We may not always agree, but getting other perspectives helps us grow. Why don't you post a video of you training a dog that is aggressive and has bitten people and other dogs
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KatMoFu 8 months ago
@thatoneguy2 : I totally agree with you! I love watching Zak's trick training, love Kikopup's obedience training (although I don't use a clicker), I have Dog Star Daily bookmarked, and participate on the Cesar Millan Community forum frequently. I use R+ for teaching my dogs, but they know the word "NO!" so I can stop unwanted behavior and offer them an alternate behavior. I "sshhht" my dogs if they need it, and I don't alpha roll or pop their leashes. so where do i fit in??
KatMoFu 8 months ago
wooooooo did that ever ruffle some feathers, i think there is a time and place for each method, all depends on the dog and the age at which you get the dog while understanding what personality has already set in with the dog when you get it. good video though i liked it
hentree56 8 months ago
My original comment was deleted (I don't know how? It wasn't meant to be rude), so I thought I would comment again. My comment was one of the highest rated comments on the video (last I saw , it had 12 likes before it "disappeared"). Obviously others agreed with the advice that I gave. In your video about teaching a dog to stand on your back, you mention how you were featured on WITH CM in a highest-rated dog category. You used his fame to compare yourself to. Didn't have a prob with him then!
socialist23 8 months ago 16
@socialist23: Lol! I don't think he has a problem with Cesar Millan. He was just stating that Cesar Millan is yesterday's dog trainer plus the reason why.
onesweetfantasy 8 months ago 2
@socialist23 i think you are looking TOO much into it.
coal1987 8 months ago
@socialist23 Well...CM has no problem having Ian Dunbar participate in his book either...:D
AgilityFox 8 months ago
I like Zak, I like his methods, I really do. But I feel this is pretty harsh and shows that he hasn't taken the time to get a clear & whole picture of Millan (or the dogs he works with). Feels a little "designed" to stir up comment chatter and an endless, time-wasting YouTube debate..
Certainly he is entitled to his opinion, my problem here is he is directly bad-mouthing another professional and painting a very unfair & one-sided picture. Easy to do when it's just him in front of the camera.
PatBattleBF1942 8 months ago 15
@PatBattleBF1942: You're all overreacting a lot..
onesweetfantasy 8 months ago
@PatBattleBF1942 well...from what I have seen from CM, he is right....and dominance and all this in dog training is not solid information but a lot of myth...and with all due respect to other peoples methods, opinions and what not, brutality, pain, fear and all this should not be combined with dog training...we all move on , we all progress and so should how we treat our social partners
Ranidana 8 months ago 2
Just wanted to add that I wish we were all this fanatical and passionate about training ourselves to be good dog owners. In that case we wouldn't need Zak, CM or Victoria and my life would be more concerned about giving doggies their regural shots, rather than having to deal with spoilt or dangerous dogs...
Vaggelis98 8 months ago
My opinion - the reasons a lot of americans dont like cesar - he is a mexican who has done extremely well for himself. the reason most trainers dont like cesar - he believes it is usually the person who is in the wrong and not the dog. most people find it hard to face the fact the dogs issues are not helped my them.
Cesar practices a better way of living that can have positive affects in all areas of life. He is open minded and says that there is more than one way, shame others cant do same.
MsKC87 8 months ago 4
Different people,different training methods.Different opinions.I look at my dog as if he were my child.. No means NO. Now if I can leave out me hitting a dog that's great , if with showing dominance I get the result I'll use it,and yes.. It is my opinion that the dog has to have a leader,someone that will correct his behavior and show him how to act properly.I don't need a spoiled dog that does what he wants,I'm the one feeding and taking care of him,not the other way around .
Gordana21012008 8 months ago
@Gordana21012008 Very good comment!!
minnaslyfan 8 months ago
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Zak seeing that you like pick on Shock Collars (as you call them). Can you please tell me how this is such a bad thing?
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daudet1 8 months ago
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daudet1 8 months ago
Cesar is amazing and knows what he is doing. He in no way "bullies" dogs. You guys are two different types of trainers. While I understand you are giving your opinion..you are committing like 3 different types of logical fallacies. I would at least like to see some valid reasoning for your argument. Meh...distasteful.
ro143cky 8 months ago 3
The writer is incorrect in saying that Cesar is ONLY about dominance. Cesar is about rehabbing dogs that have serious behavioral issues. I am a rehabber and have used Cesar's methods to help many dogs. I take on aggressive dogs, fearful dogs and dogs that have serious behavioral issues. I have watched Zak's show and enjoyed it very much. However, for dogs with serious behavioral issues, I will stick with Cesar. The people who adopt my dogs will agree that my dogs are friendly and happy.
MsMegF 8 months ago
Cesar does't train dogs, he rehabilitates dogs and trains people. Zak demonstrates how to train and take care of dogs, while Cesar trains people who have led their dogs astray. These are not comparable. Zak chooses not to even address dog problems ex: recent video on dogs barking, unlike Cesar who trains the people not to leave their dog in an exited state.
Both are very helpful in different ways.
Whenever Cesar is over a dog, it is because the dog is dangerous, it is needed.
TimZarraonandia 8 months ago 2
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harr0der 8 months ago
I love Zak and I think his methods are amazing....but for a dog without behavior problems. The point of the Dog Whisperer is to help those dogs that seem beyond their owners control....not to train your dog.
Standing over your dog isn't the only way to show dominance lol. That's only necessary if a dog is displaying behavioral issues. There's many simple ways to show dominance. I don't know if I agree completely but I like your approach towards training!
ACrum615 8 months ago 2
Continued from me AquaticZissou: The cases Cesar handle are dogs who have no purpose in life, does not get proper exercise and no mental challenge. And then become nervous, anxious, agressive etc. He then says he "trains" the owner to better understand their dog. But he does not claim to be a dog trainer. Sorry just felt the need to correct this missunderstanding. I like both Cesar and Zak. But if I could choose one method it would be. Give your dog a job and a purpose in life :-)
AquaticZissou 8 months ago 2
Zak you are 200% right, keep up the good work !
AgilityFox 8 months ago
I agree and disagree. Cesar is NOT claiming to be a dog trainer. But claims to be able to stop unwanted behaviour, and does so. And in his cases he create some stability in a nervous frustrated dog who does not have people who understand what a dog need to be happy and stable.
Sack does from my point of view have a perfect understanding of what a dog need to be happy and stable. His dogs have a purpose in life and a job. That is what make a dog happy, just like humans, Having something to do.
AquaticZissou 8 months ago
~I think Cesar Milan's ideology is based on dog's natural instincts and behavior. They are gregarious animals and they have leader in the pack. In human family dog should follow his master. A dog with a good master is a happy dog. Upbringing should always be logical; the two dog trainers do well with different styles but being logical in training.~
minnaslyfan 8 months ago 2
@minnaslyfan actually and to me more interestingly - dogs don't have a pack leader - they form what is called fluid social groups with many of them taking turn to be "leader of the pack" - how do they choose their leader? The pick who is best at getting their resources - who ever is good at catching rabbits get's to be leader today - who ever is good at catching rats is leader tomorrow. Dogs are not wolves and live in a more socially cooperative group setting...
DoggyDogma 8 months ago
@DoggyDogma Very interesting indeed. Great comment! Thanks~
minnaslyfan 8 months ago
They both have some great methods. The thing is, dogs love unconditionally, and I think Caesars dogs love Caesar, just as much as Zak's dogs love Zak. Caesars methods are really good for controlling dogs who are more prone to dominance issues & I think with a lot of those dogs, it's also a thing of respect. The dog has to respect you as their authority.
It's like these dumb parents that just want to be their kids "friend". Great, but don't forget to be the parent, that's what earns kids' respect
saxxxophoneee 8 months ago
@saxxxophoneee it isn't at all like a parent wanting to be there childs friend - positive does not mean passive. There are two ways to learn with pain or with pleasure - both are capable of increasing or decreasing a behaviour if you understand who to utalise basic techniques. It isn't about the cookie it is about access to resources if my dog co-operates with me, he gets that resource, if he doesn't he won't (that is a punishment) - that is the step that parents (and dog owners) miss...
DoggyDogma 8 months ago
in order to become a surgeon you need to learn how to be a doctor first. So in order to change dog behaviour you should learn such a basic thing like teaching a sit. Actually Cesar doesn't do any of them :(
claudiahoyle 8 months ago
WHY does National Geographic support all that CM nonsense ?
- Because they're in it for the money too !
Those who are saying problems can't be solved by giving treats have no clue to what behaviour modification is.
Please do your research, read books, educate yourselves.
Can't you see this is only about BUSINESS, not about dog's well being ?!
AgilityFox 8 months ago 2
THE BOXERS NEED YOUR HELP!!!
SEE THEIR VIDEOS FOR EXAMPLE.
Politicalboxers 8 months ago
Thumbs up Zac :0)
klix4k9s 8 months ago
The name Ceasar Millan makes my blood boil. Zac, you and Ian dunbar are the real dog trainers.
AlienXCherie 8 months ago
GUYS NO NEED TO SAY THAT ZAK IS BETTER THAN CESAR, CESAR IS BETTER THAN ZAK. Cesar rehabilitates and Zak trains, that's where all the difference is. Cesar deals with severe behavioral issues, Zak teaches commands and TYPICAL behavioral issues, which Cesar can't really deal with. If you can't teach your dogs tricks or want to tell your dog to not pull/bark/do typical faults, Zak will help. If your dog has EXTREME aggression, anxiety, obssesion, Cesar will be your hero.
FattyDudley 8 months ago
@FattyDudley If you follow Zak from the start or any good trainer for that matter you probably won't have to rehabilitate your dog. If you have to rehabilitate your dog that probably means you or somebody else did something you should have know not to do to your dog. Allot of what Cesar fixes can be prevented by being a decent parent to your dog.
kristalghost 8 months ago 2
@kristalghost Yeah, fortunately, with my past dog, I have no severe behavioral problems. The only problem I had with her is pulling when I take her for walks.
FattyDudley 8 months ago
@FattyDudley Now see, here you go making me feel hostile again. You're wrong - Cesar will not fix aggression and especially not anxiety. We've already taken the time to illustrate the why: learned helplessness is not a fix it's a bandaid. BAT/CAT and similar R+ methods change the inner emotional response of the dog to the thing it fears/hates and is thereby the only long term solution.
harr0der 8 months ago
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harr0der 8 months ago
@FattyDudley You asked for links but we cannot provide them in youtube comments: google pack theory 4pawsu. The post outlines all the information and provides additional information at the bottom, as well as outside references and sources.
harr0der 8 months ago
You look good in white;)
I have a question, do you know indoor activity could do with my dog, cuz sometimes the weather really not conducive and I want to spend as much time with my dog. Thanks
co5nut 8 months ago
As much as I agree that his methods from the past, I was hoping to actually hear *why* you thought so. I think you can do better than that. There are comments in here that make far more sense than what you said in your video unfortunately.
nayjah 8 months ago
All CM done to Cotton was to make him a lot worse, Cotton was just a normal dog when he got involved, since then Cotton has just got worse and worse. Cotton isn't the only dog he has made worse, I wonder how many of the dogs are alive now that he has handled over the years and why were they pts.
Maggienoname 8 months ago
@ all the haters: Instead of us all squabbling about who is the best, why not take this time to be with our doggies we love so much?
Vaggelis98 8 months ago 4
@Agilityfox If you prefer a dog's death over keeping an open mind to the various methods out there, you should be checked out yourself
Vaggelis98 8 months ago
@kaoimewolf You assume too much. Actually,I never use prong collars. And due to the fact that my fear of my dog shredding my arm (for the third time) had come to the point of me not wanting to touch him, I didn't even use a physical touch. I used the "Illusion" collar and firm commands. I changed my attitude towards my dog and used Cesar's body language techniques to help me.
Vaggelis98 8 months ago
@socialist23 Exactly!
EvelineUK 8 months ago
@socialist23 this is exactly what i told him in another video but i think you said it better... i really hope he reads this
liefpandabeertje 8 months ago
@liefpandabeertje Thanks for the support. My original comment (which I don't think I was being rude or anything in) was one of the "highest rated" comments, and it was "somehow" deleted, so I'm sure he saw it - just got offended and deleted it. Too bad.... Think he just lost a sub.
socialist23 8 months ago 4
@socialist23 when i watch cesar it just makes my day.. the guy is always so frikkin positive .. He makes me wanna be positive too. When i watch Zak i'm getting depressed because he's always whining and talking down on people ... WEIRD huh AND he never teaches me anything !!? or did i just miss that video?
liefpandabeertje 8 months ago
I truly hope someday everyone will evolve from the stone age of dog training.
AgilityFox 8 months ago
There is a difference between training and helping dogs with behavioural problems. You can't train a dog to stop biting other animals/humans, as it is a behavioural problem. My dog is perfectly trained, will do all tricks under the sky, but still used to bite me really badly. I watched numerous people - experts and did my research, the only thing that saved my pitbul from being euthanised was Cesar's method. I wonder how many dogs you can save by trying to stop them biting by giving them treats?
Vaggelis98 8 months ago 4
@Vaggelis98 There are scientifically sound ways to rehabilitate a dog who has this behavior problem without alpha rolls and intimidation. Quite often people inadvertently teach their dogs to be aggressive to other dogs through their own training technique, specifically when they use aversive training tools like choke chains and prong collars.
kaiomewolf 8 months ago
@Vaggelis98 i don't understand why people would not like Ceasar? this guy (agilityFox) even said he would rather put it to sleep than let Ceasar touch it ??!!! are they insane!!
liefpandabeertje 8 months ago
@liefpandabeertje I'm a woman and yes I'll repeat: I'd rather have my dog put to sleep than have CM touch it.
No way I'd ever let CM even near to one of my dogs.
I have nothing personal against CM, I just purely and simply HATE the methods he uses.
Those methods are outdated and CM is NOT a psychologist.
He is an amateur who found a great way to make big bucks by manipulating people and abusing dogs.
AgilityFox 8 months ago
@Vaggelis98 Exactly, but most people don´t get it in their heads that you can´t solve such things with giving treats.
The best advice for most of the commentary posters on here is go look in your mirror, then ask yourself can I do the things that Ceasar does better? The human being in the mirror will answer NO I CAN´T, and at that point you should realize that you should stop running your mouth.
It is always easy to hate on others
SiberianAnubis 8 months ago
@SiberianAnubis Actually, I look in the mirror and say, "I CAN do it better than him and I will". Before you dismiss us you might actually want to read into some of the concepts we've talked about here - learned helplessness being at the top of that list since it applies most to Cesar's techniques.
harr0der 8 months ago
@harr0der Don´t get me wrong but I can and I will says you haven´t yet. Sorry I haven´t read all th ecomments because there are too many but from what I read so far there were no real methods explained to rehab dogs. In th epast there was too much authority in education, today there is absolutely no authority, that´s why we have so many "problem dogs" and "problem children" today
SiberianAnubis 8 months ago
@harr0der Don´t get me wrong but I can and I will says you haven´t yet. Sorry I haven´t read all th ecomments because there are too many but from what I read so far there were no real methods explained to rehab dogs. In th epast there was too much authority in education, today there is absolutely no authority, that´s why we have so many "problem dogs" and "problem children" today
SiberianAnubis 8 months ago
@SiberianAnubis "I haven't read all the comments" ok then go find the comments where we explain or do you expect me to repeat myself to everyone who is too lazy to go find the information we already took the time to type? And there's nothing wrong with someone just starting out - you're really going to say just because I'm just getting going and all my responses thus far are backed by people much more experienced than I (with sources) that I'm not able to talk about something?
harr0der 8 months ago
@SiberianAnubis Also, that is why places like APDT, BEN and ABC have started. To begin offering regulation and ways of sharing information/current research among trainers. We have already begun the movement to regulate and get credentials.
harr0der 8 months ago
@Vaggelis98 Positive training isn't just giving treats, many dogs won't work for treats so they will be completely useless with them. You won't work for free, you want wages and so do dogs,their rewards is what they find is rewarding not what we find rewarding. Having taken on quite a few dogs who's next step was pts if I couldn't turn them round and turned everyone round, they are now living life as normal pets, I wouldn't use any of his methods on any dog, I respect dogs too much for that
Maggienoname 8 months ago
@Maggienoname I am a trainer myself and use positive training methods on all my dogs. For example I am completely against the use of e-collars, prong collars etc. In my own experience I have found that training a dog and rehabilitating him/her is something completely different. I don't follow one method only. Each dog is seen as an individual and his/her training or rehabilitation is tailored accordingly. However I have found that in extreme cases CM method does do wonders for the dogs.
Vaggelis98 8 months ago 2
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@Vaggelis98 I don't follow one method only, those using positive methods have to think outside the box to set the dog up to do what they want. Positive methods are not just stuffing a dog with treats, I rarely use them. The only method I use is, "If I won't do it to a toddler I won't do it to a dog, their learning capability is similar. Want to see what damage can be done to a dog's neck, have a look at tracheotomy-in-dogs.yolasite.com/
Maggienoname 8 months ago
@Maggienoname I am also a vet and have done extensive research as to whether CM method hurts the dogs in any way. It doesn't. What does hurt them is when other people copy CM method. My way of respecting dogs is trying to find a method that helps them with their problem, no matter what I think of the personality/hype/public's love for the person's methodology. As long as it helps the dog, and in no way harms them, everyone's methodology is good in my book.
Vaggelis98 8 months ago 4
@Vaggelis98 I agree more harm is done by people trying to copy CM but hanging a dog from the end of a choke chain does hurt the dog as well as cut off the air supply. He cuts off the air supply quite a lot of times, this isn't training a dog, the dog has to give up he has no choice. In the UK a trainer was jailed for doing this. That isn't the only method he uses that does hurt the dog. As a vet you should know the damage to a dog's neck and trachea that somemethods can causes.
Maggienoname 8 months ago 2
@Vaggelis98 There are plenty of studies out there that prove the harm those methods do. But I am curious can you supply the studies you have done and the results they had when you submitted them for appreciation? i will wait patiently
claudiahoyle 8 months ago
Cesar Millan IS NOT DOG TRAINER, He's a DOG PSYHOLOHIST..
Millan himself says, "I don't train dogs." What he means is that he corrects behavior problems that are, at times, quite serious....
segicm 8 months ago
@segicm saying that he is a "dog psychologist" would imply that he has actually gone to school, studied animal behavior and, in so doing, gotten a degree. He has not, and thus is not a "dog psychologist."
kaiomewolf 8 months ago
@kaiomewolf He learns from nature and he doesnt need a school to understand animals psyhologi ...If u watch his show u can see that he's acting like a dog .He do what dogs naturaly do...
He was learned from his dogs and he studied a wolfs behaviors in nature...
segicm 8 months ago
@segicm Oh? Dogs "bite" with a clawed hand? And they bite for every infraction? No, I beg to differ. He did not study wolves behavior at all. He "studied" a pack of near feral dogs while a CHILD on a ranch. Dogs left to their own devices and not family pets. Wolves don't act like he does. At all.
HeartdogGSD 8 months ago
@HeartdogGSD "And they bite for every infraction? " Do you ever watch a pack of dogs in wild ? And what alpha do if follower do something wrong ? THEY BITE .Alpha dont say "you will not eat today" he just bite.
And I think that clicker training is good. I used it to train my dogs, but i thing that you cant correct a dog behavior with clicker if he is in "red zone" .
and again you can't compare Zak and Cesar becouse they do completely different things...
segicm 8 months ago
@segicm - your comments alone show how little you know about dogs. The concept of "alpha" for instance is not appropriate with dog packs. Dogs do not have a strong alpha male and female the way wolves do. A alpha wolf has a very clear position in a pack. Dogs will have levels of dominance over each other, but they do not have an "alpha" like wolf packs do. And even in wolves, the alpha is not the one that would correct another wolf for misbehavior, the beta wolf is the one that is the enforcer.
maryjo313 7 months ago
@segicm he isnt a canine psych