I wish they would get a vocal Islamic student to join the class. "But the Christian perspective is that..." [raise hand] "No, there is no God but Muhammed and Allah is his Prophet! Alalalalalala jihad!"
The Christians have the same opinion on evolution... we should not teach it in schools... so why is it allowed to be shoved down our throats but creationism is not? and as far as i know... evolution have absolutely no evidence.. and ive done my research ;) i believe both evolution and creationism should be out of public schools... both appose each...... and i get offended when my teacher tells me that i was a monkey.. and before a monkey i was a rock... and before that... i was nothing...
@ItstheAlexShow You weren't a monkey, or a rock. You were yourself, and that's all you will ever be. Monkeys and Humans share a common ancestor, and we know this by tracking multiple converging patterns in DNA, RNA, and various protein sequences. Why is this important? Immunology, virology, sustainable agriculture, to name a few. Not understanding evolution is not your fault-it is merely a testament to the failure of American scientific education.
I'd complain. I mean, which version of History does this guy want? Are there going to be separate answer sheets - one for "mainstream" historical scholarship and one for the "Christian Perspective"?
@AGNOSSI I dropped the course, but apparently his tests were like that according to some friends in the class. His essay questions were essentially on scripture, I heard.
Im from Ireland so something like this is unimaginable. Here you can only teach theories (ie facts, laws or principles are mathematical terms) and any sort of hypothesis cannot be asserted or insinuated to be valid or on par with a theory. These theological perspectives art even a hypothesis...
Ask your self the question that if a physics teacher thought his students that the sun in s fireball in the sky, that gravity makes heavy things move faster than light things etc; could you allow it?
Yes. Complain and launch that formal complaint! He may be a nice guy and helpful etc. but this is not a personal matter this is a serious matter to separate religious openings from actual historian fact and knowledge!
Well, inspite of them transferring you out to avoid you lodging a complaint, and inspite of this history teacher being a nice guy, I think you should probabbly still lodge a complaint because its quite simply unconstitutional. When I hear your story and about how they just allow students who might complain to just transfer out, you know what it reminds me of? when the catholic church transfers pedo priests to cover the problem. this needs to be dealt with. good luck man.
He's not there to teach theology, he's there to teach a fact based ciricullum: If he's not doing that and is instead teaching unsubstantiated conjecture, with no basis in reality, then yes you should complain. If you don't then you are complicit in the further education of nonsense.
@matthewlane The insinuation that the Bible has somehow been falsified is both untrue and left unsubstantiated by any serious scholar I've read. On the contrary, the Bible has been substantiated many, many times by outside documentation. Apparently group-think allows for these kinds of unquestioned assertions (the Bible contains contradictions, creationism is baseless, the theory of darwinian evolution has been proven, etc.) -- the same kind many people supposedly turn down their noses at...
"actually, every teacher I've had has been religious. Most of them Christian, so I can't validate the "atheist-academic establishment" comment."
Are you sure this is a state university you're attending? This was NOT the case where I attended. Christians were viewed as lunatics by many in the faculty, which made for some pretty hostile learning environments. I've disagreed with some professors over the years, and they've always told me "It's my job to 'profess' what I have found to be true.'
Your history teacher at your state-funded school has every right to teach information that he has found to be true. If he were to "profess" something other than this, it would be disingenuous. Don't worry, there will be a witch hunt soon and he'll be forced out of your school. It happens regularly to professors to question the self-perpetuating atheist-academic establishment. Separation of church and state has nothing to do with your problem with this man's class.
@terkanstan Are you trying to frame the argument as though I'm some kind of simpleton? Your statement is true, with the large exception being when a person who believes something, is believing something that is TRUE. Personal conviction and truth are not mutually exclusive. In the same way, your teacher is not imposing his "personal beliefs" on you any more than any of your other professors. The only difference is, you agree with your other profs. so they appear to be objective to you - I think.
Your history teacher at your state-funded school has every right to teach information that he has found to be true. If he were to "profess" something other than this, it would be disingenuous. Don't worry, there will be a witch hunt soon and he'll be forced out of your school. It happens regularly to professors to question the self-perpetuating atheist-academic establishment.
@gpierquet actually, every teacher I've had has been religious. Most of them Christian, so I can't validate the "atheist-academic establishment" comment.
@gpierquet So, if you had a teacher at your state-funded school who felt his belief that the world is a cube and that the sun revolves around the Earth was true, you wouldn't have a problem with this? I know my examples are ludicrous,but so is creationism.
@uknowispeaksense Why is creationism ludicrous? What part of it? The idea that God created the universe, or the idea that nothing can't turn into something? The Bible is not anti-science, and neither should Christians be. I for one view science as a study of creation. Everything we see has been created by some force. I trust that it is the God of the Bible, because I've seen nothing that would convince me otherwise. The wonders of the universe attest to this, in my opinion.
Universities that allow that sort of madness to continue are at risk of losing their funding, their students, and their accreditation. I would launch a formal complaint, BIG time! And if you can, get others from that class to do the same.
@gpierquet No its madness, because its madness. It would be like me teaching a history class & then splitting half my time between teaching histroy & then stating that what i just taught you is only one view, but post crisis, pre reboot DC comic continuity disagrees with demonstrable fact & here's why.
We don't rely on a work of fiction to back up reality, we use fact to back up reality.
Most Christians don't understand the scientific arguments supporting creationism. Please read my popular Internet articles: NATURAL LIMITS OF EVOLUTION, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS, SECOND COMING OF CHRIST MISUNDERSTOOD, CONSERVATIVE THEOLOGIAN NO LONGER BELIEVES ETERNAL TORMENT (Explains why eternal punishment in the Bible does not mean eternal torment).
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Species couldn't have survived while their vital tissues, organs, biological systems were still evolving. Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
@JungleJargon "No one is changing the recorded events in Scripure and they have been proven to be accurate literally thousands of times over."
Hahahahahahaha, no. The christian scriptures are completely wrong... An i don't mean those subjectively wrong parts, i mean the historically & demonstrably scientifically wrong parts, like salt losing its saltyness & the existance of a davidic empire.
@matthewlane Wow, you're busting out "salt losing its saltiness" as evidence for the Bible being anti-science? Obviously you've missed the point of the METAPHOR. No wonder people think the Bible is full of contradiction and false science, if they're unable to identify obvious imagery and metaphor from a statement about the natural world.
@gpierquet "Obviously you've missed the point of the METAPHOR"
Except that its impossible to tell the difference between metaphor & just getting it wrong in the bible. When jesus cures someone by forcing demons out of there bodies was he talking about actual demons or metaphorical, when the bible refers to bats as birds were they being metaphorical or just wrong.
Thats why the christian scriptures are constanrtly being proven wrong.
i think you're just being a picky douche. even though he stated the christian perspective many times he still mentioned both sides therefore it is unbiased. and there is no significant proof that god isn't real and that christians are wrong. if anyone's being biased it's you.
@bankaininjav2 Doesn't matter if its unbiased or not. Its like me teching you history & splitting my time between actual history & stories from DC comics. Teach the subject you are payed to teahc, but don't keep ion introducing the irrellevancy of the christian faith.
@bankaininjav2 So is DC comic book continuity, but we don't teach History 101 (now with long discussions on how Superman flies). And just keep in mind that while religion is a part of history, that christianity is part of religion: That makes Christianity the smallest, most minor aspect, a triviality to the actual subject of history.
@bankaininjav2 Co has DC comic book continuity. But the fact is the printing history of said medium is one thing & the actual continuity of the stories is another... Same goes for religion. The impact of religion one history is one thing, but the continuity of its fiction is another & outside of its impact, its continuity is in no way important to history at all, excpet for in the broardest of strokes. You most certainly don't use said continuity to argue with demonstrable facts.
well i think it might be a good idea just because its not a fairytale or magic class, its history. the teacher may be a nice guy and all but its not fair to the students to be given warped stories sprinkled with fiction about unfounded events and call it a history class. it just perpetuates ignorance. i guess its your call, if you feel he was blurring the line between history and cavemen riding dinosaurs then go ahead and complain.
@k0rps3gynd3r He sure as hell isn't teaching any unbiased, objective history...thats for damn sure. As you said, it just perpetuates ignorance, and it's not like we need any help with that down South...(where I'm from, btw)
My question is how is he being allowed to teach history? Why ( as strange as this might sound) is he not teaching geology seeing as how that's what he has a degree in. If I filed a complaint, that 's what it would be focused on.
@Foxcanine1 The few classes of his that I sat through before leaving gave such a distorted, biased, and dishonest account of history (as best determined by peer-reviewed archeological evidence).
I am embarrased for the school as well as for the quality of education in my state.
Well, this whole thing seems to be an ongoing problem. My local news is reporting that creationist are trying to get id taught in the public schools. The clash between our two worlds is going to be a rough ride.
My guess, I would hope that he re-evaluates his position and realizes that he's arguing against reality. Perhaps that's being too optimistic. I would file the complaint. Emphasizing his lack of degree and let the next class deal with him( continued )
Then with hope they would file a complaint that he's not teaching the correct material. So that he might get the message that he should teach what is backed by peer review. If he want's to teach his own views. He should teach at a private Christian School.
@jordog22 I disagree. As a teacher, as a man of science he should teach what has been proved by scientific methods. Not some fairy tale. Would you allow this if he would be teaching about flying spaghetti monsters and how pirates created the earth.
@torax Your "point" is hardly worthy of a retort. Asserting that biblical accounts are "fairy tales" shows a fundamental ignorance of biblical accounts and a blind acceptance of anti-biblical rhetoric.
i personally think u should complain as he is not teaching what is the known facts and i would say the same if he was teaching an out dated scientific theory because he likes it more
I would make a formal complain, but not because he's a creationist. I would do it because he is forcing his beliefs in with his teaching. This way, hopefully they will force him into being a better teacher, and targeting the actual problem, other than just allowing him to use up his tenure and teach however he wants for the next however many years.
dude the bible is the oldest history book on the planet, it goes all the way back to the beginning unlike any other book, all other written history outside the bible only goes back a little over 5000 years, that out to be a huge red flag to anyone, have a great day !!
@bailesie Predates Genesis? I don't think so, who's dating method was that, I haven't even ever heared that one. How would you know anyway? Because someone told you that? Maybe you read that somewhere? Sounds like faith to me. Faith verses faith I guess.
@whittle4u the written version of Gilgamesh is older than the Hebrew people. the bible says Abraham came from babylon. guess what that means. he brought much older myths with him. the story originates from around 2100 BCE. Abraham left babylon around 1900 BCE
I'm not sure it merits a complaint. I'm no historian, but I know that different philosophies impact the way we interpret history. This teacher seems to have given facts prior to giving the Christian perspective. That's no different to giving the known facts and then explicitly giving putting them in a Marxist perspective, for example. Perhaps the very fact that the teacher is so open about this helps students realise that they bring their own biases to bear when we interpret the facts.
Make the complaint. Get together with the others who have dropped the class and make the complaint. If no one complains, he will continue to teach theology in a history class however politely it is done. At the risk of going over the top, all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
I think you should contact the students union (if one exists) and ask if this has been a problem before. If it has, make a formal complaint. If it hasn't, make an informal notification so that the department can remind that guy to keep his Christian perspective somewhere more appropriate, then notify the students union so they can later step up the game if this falls through the cracks of polite intercourse.
I wish they would get a vocal Islamic student to join the class. "But the Christian perspective is that..." [raise hand] "No, there is no God but Muhammed and Allah is his Prophet! Alalalalalala jihad!"
stinky472 1 week ago
The Christians have the same opinion on evolution... we should not teach it in schools... so why is it allowed to be shoved down our throats but creationism is not? and as far as i know... evolution have absolutely no evidence.. and ive done my research ;) i believe both evolution and creationism should be out of public schools... both appose each...... and i get offended when my teacher tells me that i was a monkey.. and before a monkey i was a rock... and before that... i was nothing...
ItstheAlexShow 1 month ago
@ItstheAlexShow You weren't a monkey, or a rock. You were yourself, and that's all you will ever be. Monkeys and Humans share a common ancestor, and we know this by tracking multiple converging patterns in DNA, RNA, and various protein sequences. Why is this important? Immunology, virology, sustainable agriculture, to name a few. Not understanding evolution is not your fault-it is merely a testament to the failure of American scientific education.
xander55577 1 month ago 2
I'd complain. I mean, which version of History does this guy want? Are there going to be separate answer sheets - one for "mainstream" historical scholarship and one for the "Christian Perspective"?
AGNOSSI 4 months ago
@AGNOSSI I dropped the course, but apparently his tests were like that according to some friends in the class. His essay questions were essentially on scripture, I heard.
xander55577 4 months ago
@xander55577 That's the spirit -- way to stand up and learn about an alternative perspective to yours.
gpierquet 4 months ago
Im from Ireland so something like this is unimaginable. Here you can only teach theories (ie facts, laws or principles are mathematical terms) and any sort of hypothesis cannot be asserted or insinuated to be valid or on par with a theory. These theological perspectives art even a hypothesis...
Ask your self the question that if a physics teacher thought his students that the sun in s fireball in the sky, that gravity makes heavy things move faster than light things etc; could you allow it?
ArianExtist 4 months ago
yes! no doubt... if you can find a valid point of compain, i think you ethicly have to. Have a nice day.
anchor83 4 months ago
Yes. Complain and launch that formal complaint! He may be a nice guy and helpful etc. but this is not a personal matter this is a serious matter to separate religious openings from actual historian fact and knowledge!
Isshiresshi 4 months ago
Well, inspite of them transferring you out to avoid you lodging a complaint, and inspite of this history teacher being a nice guy, I think you should probabbly still lodge a complaint because its quite simply unconstitutional. When I hear your story and about how they just allow students who might complain to just transfer out, you know what it reminds me of? when the catholic church transfers pedo priests to cover the problem. this needs to be dealt with. good luck man.
OsyenVyeter 4 months ago
@xander55577 should you complain? FUCK YES!
He's not there to teach theology, he's there to teach a fact based ciricullum: If he's not doing that and is instead teaching unsubstantiated conjecture, with no basis in reality, then yes you should complain. If you don't then you are complicit in the further education of nonsense.
matthewlane 4 months ago
@matthewlane The insinuation that the Bible has somehow been falsified is both untrue and left unsubstantiated by any serious scholar I've read. On the contrary, the Bible has been substantiated many, many times by outside documentation. Apparently group-think allows for these kinds of unquestioned assertions (the Bible contains contradictions, creationism is baseless, the theory of darwinian evolution has been proven, etc.) -- the same kind many people supposedly turn down their noses at...
gpierquet 4 months ago
"actually, every teacher I've had has been religious. Most of them Christian, so I can't validate the "atheist-academic establishment" comment."
Are you sure this is a state university you're attending? This was NOT the case where I attended. Christians were viewed as lunatics by many in the faculty, which made for some pretty hostile learning environments. I've disagreed with some professors over the years, and they've always told me "It's my job to 'profess' what I have found to be true.'
gpierquet 5 months ago
@gpierquet. If you don't mind, where did you attend university? or at least what part of the country/world? I am in the Bible belt.
xander55577 5 months ago
Your history teacher at your state-funded school has every right to teach information that he has found to be true. If he were to "profess" something other than this, it would be disingenuous. Don't worry, there will be a witch hunt soon and he'll be forced out of your school. It happens regularly to professors to question the self-perpetuating atheist-academic establishment. Separation of church and state has nothing to do with your problem with this man's class.
gpierquet 5 months ago
@gpierquet You realize there is a difference between what one believes to be true and what is actually true yes?
terkanstan 4 months ago
@terkanstan Are you trying to frame the argument as though I'm some kind of simpleton? Your statement is true, with the large exception being when a person who believes something, is believing something that is TRUE. Personal conviction and truth are not mutually exclusive. In the same way, your teacher is not imposing his "personal beliefs" on you any more than any of your other professors. The only difference is, you agree with your other profs. so they appear to be objective to you - I think.
gpierquet 4 months ago
Your history teacher at your state-funded school has every right to teach information that he has found to be true. If he were to "profess" something other than this, it would be disingenuous. Don't worry, there will be a witch hunt soon and he'll be forced out of your school. It happens regularly to professors to question the self-perpetuating atheist-academic establishment.
gpierquet 5 months ago
@gpierquet actually, every teacher I've had has been religious. Most of them Christian, so I can't validate the "atheist-academic establishment" comment.
xander55577 5 months ago
@gpierquet So, if you had a teacher at your state-funded school who felt his belief that the world is a cube and that the sun revolves around the Earth was true, you wouldn't have a problem with this? I know my examples are ludicrous,but so is creationism.
uknowispeaksense 4 months ago
@uknowispeaksense Why is creationism ludicrous? What part of it? The idea that God created the universe, or the idea that nothing can't turn into something? The Bible is not anti-science, and neither should Christians be. I for one view science as a study of creation. Everything we see has been created by some force. I trust that it is the God of the Bible, because I've seen nothing that would convince me otherwise. The wonders of the universe attest to this, in my opinion.
gpierquet 4 months ago
@gpierquet You shouldn't answer a question with a question. That is rude. if you answer my initial question, i will endeavour to answer yours.
uknowispeaksense 4 months ago
Universities that allow that sort of madness to continue are at risk of losing their funding, their students, and their accreditation. I would launch a formal complaint, BIG time! And if you can, get others from that class to do the same.
wodentoad1 6 months ago
@wodentoad1 Really, madness? Disagreeing with you = madness...I see. Thanks for the perspective.
gpierquet 4 months ago
@gpierquet No its madness, because its madness. It would be like me teaching a history class & then splitting half my time between teaching histroy & then stating that what i just taught you is only one view, but post crisis, pre reboot DC comic continuity disagrees with demonstrable fact & here's why.
We don't rely on a work of fiction to back up reality, we use fact to back up reality.
matthewlane 4 months ago
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Mogley52 6 months ago
I am glad you are asking what to do before geting all excited so to speak even though you do seem to be a little on edge.
We do have a history and we do need to consider the evidence that we have.
A great deal of effort has gone into putting out bad information.
No one is changing the recorded events in Scripure and they have been proven to be accurate literally thousands of times over.
The only thing that accounts for 60 million cubic miles of sediments covering all life forms is the flood.
JungleJargon 6 months ago
@JungleJargon "No one is changing the recorded events in Scripure and they have been proven to be accurate literally thousands of times over."
Hahahahahahaha, no. The christian scriptures are completely wrong... An i don't mean those subjectively wrong parts, i mean the historically & demonstrably scientifically wrong parts, like salt losing its saltyness & the existance of a davidic empire.
matthewlane 4 months ago
@matthewlane Wow, you're busting out "salt losing its saltiness" as evidence for the Bible being anti-science? Obviously you've missed the point of the METAPHOR. No wonder people think the Bible is full of contradiction and false science, if they're unable to identify obvious imagery and metaphor from a statement about the natural world.
gpierquet 4 months ago
@gpierquet "Obviously you've missed the point of the METAPHOR"
Except that its impossible to tell the difference between metaphor & just getting it wrong in the bible. When jesus cures someone by forcing demons out of there bodies was he talking about actual demons or metaphorical, when the bible refers to bats as birds were they being metaphorical or just wrong.
Thats why the christian scriptures are constanrtly being proven wrong.
matthewlane 4 months ago
i think you're just being a picky douche. even though he stated the christian perspective many times he still mentioned both sides therefore it is unbiased. and there is no significant proof that god isn't real and that christians are wrong. if anyone's being biased it's you.
bankaininjav2 7 months ago
@bankaininjav2 Doesn't matter if its unbiased or not. Its like me teching you history & splitting my time between actual history & stories from DC comics. Teach the subject you are payed to teahc, but don't keep ion introducing the irrellevancy of the christian faith.
matthewlane 4 months ago
@matthewlane religion is part of history though.
bankaininjav2 4 months ago
@bankaininjav2 So is DC comic book continuity, but we don't teach History 101 (now with long discussions on how Superman flies). And just keep in mind that while religion is a part of history, that christianity is part of religion: That makes Christianity the smallest, most minor aspect, a triviality to the actual subject of history.
matthewlane 4 months ago
@matthewlane actually religion has had a HUGE impact on society throughout history. if you disagree then you obviously don't know your history.
bankaininjav2 4 months ago
@bankaininjav2 Co has DC comic book continuity. But the fact is the printing history of said medium is one thing & the actual continuity of the stories is another... Same goes for religion. The impact of religion one history is one thing, but the continuity of its fiction is another & outside of its impact, its continuity is in no way important to history at all, excpet for in the broardest of strokes. You most certainly don't use said continuity to argue with demonstrable facts.
matthewlane 4 months ago
I think you could contact Eugenie Scott of the NCSE and ask for advice, the NSCE has ample legal experience in this kind of matter
Direnaarz 10 months ago
@Direnaarz That's an excellent idea...
xander55577 5 months ago
Hell yes! You've a duty to.
quincyme001 11 months ago
Please make a complaint. If nobody does anything about it, it will continue.
If he is giving people a sub-standard education, he needs to catch up with reality and change what he's teaching.
AThagoras 11 months ago
Nah, debate him instead. A lot funnier.
Andy97009814 1 year ago
@Andy97009814 I'm sure he'd welcome a debate.
gpierquet 4 months ago
well i think it might be a good idea just because its not a fairytale or magic class, its history. the teacher may be a nice guy and all but its not fair to the students to be given warped stories sprinkled with fiction about unfounded events and call it a history class. it just perpetuates ignorance. i guess its your call, if you feel he was blurring the line between history and cavemen riding dinosaurs then go ahead and complain.
k0rps3gynd3r 1 year ago
@k0rps3gynd3r He sure as hell isn't teaching any unbiased, objective history...thats for damn sure. As you said, it just perpetuates ignorance, and it's not like we need any help with that down South...(where I'm from, btw)
xander55577 1 year ago
@xander55577 Wow, you've discovered unbiased, objective history? :) Congrats, you pioneer of the impossible.
gpierquet 4 months ago
You should
torax 1 year ago
My question is how is he being allowed to teach history? Why ( as strange as this might sound) is he not teaching geology seeing as how that's what he has a degree in. If I filed a complaint, that 's what it would be focused on.
Foxcanine1 1 year ago
@Foxcanine1 The few classes of his that I sat through before leaving gave such a distorted, biased, and dishonest account of history (as best determined by peer-reviewed archeological evidence).
I am embarrased for the school as well as for the quality of education in my state.
xander55577 1 year ago
@xander55577
Well, this whole thing seems to be an ongoing problem. My local news is reporting that creationist are trying to get id taught in the public schools. The clash between our two worlds is going to be a rough ride.
My guess, I would hope that he re-evaluates his position and realizes that he's arguing against reality. Perhaps that's being too optimistic. I would file the complaint. Emphasizing his lack of degree and let the next class deal with him( continued )
Foxcanine1 1 year ago
Part 2
Then with hope they would file a complaint that he's not teaching the correct material. So that he might get the message that he should teach what is backed by peer review. If he want's to teach his own views. He should teach at a private Christian School.
Foxcanine1 1 year ago
I am sure young minds can decide for themselves. As you said he is very well educated so it could be good to hear what his view is.
jordog22 1 year ago
@jordog22 I disagree. As a teacher, as a man of science he should teach what has been proved by scientific methods. Not some fairy tale. Would you allow this if he would be teaching about flying spaghetti monsters and how pirates created the earth.
torax 1 year ago
@torax Wow, a "flying spaghetti monster" sighting. I'm glad you're able to regurgitate a popular mantra of fundamental atheism.
gpierquet 4 months ago
@gpierquet And I´m glad you are able to ignore the point of my comment.
torax 4 months ago
@torax Your "point" is hardly worthy of a retort. Asserting that biblical accounts are "fairy tales" shows a fundamental ignorance of biblical accounts and a blind acceptance of anti-biblical rhetoric.
gpierquet 4 months ago
i personally think u should complain as he is not teaching what is the known facts and i would say the same if he was teaching an out dated scientific theory because he likes it more
ManicOpake 1 year ago
Well, yes. You should call bullshit on him and file a formal complaint.
FangFiftyFive 1 year ago
I would make a formal complain, but not because he's a creationist. I would do it because he is forcing his beliefs in with his teaching. This way, hopefully they will force him into being a better teacher, and targeting the actual problem, other than just allowing him to use up his tenure and teach however he wants for the next however many years.
silo123 1 year ago
You are a hell of a lot more intelligent than that "professor."
Godlesspanther 1 year ago
dude the bible is the oldest history book on the planet, it goes all the way back to the beginning unlike any other book, all other written history outside the bible only goes back a little over 5000 years, that out to be a huge red flag to anyone, have a great day !!
whittle4u 1 year ago
@whittle4u
Wrong. Homer's Iliad predates much of the scripture found in the bible. Learn your history.
bailesie 1 year ago
@bailesie Predates Genesis? I don't think so, who's dating method was that, I haven't even ever heared that one. How would you know anyway? Because someone told you that? Maybe you read that somewhere? Sounds like faith to me. Faith verses faith I guess.
whittle4u 1 year ago
@whittle4u the written version of Gilgamesh is older than the Hebrew people. the bible says Abraham came from babylon. guess what that means. he brought much older myths with him. the story originates from around 2100 BCE. Abraham left babylon around 1900 BCE
endthedisease 10 months ago
I'm not sure it merits a complaint. I'm no historian, but I know that different philosophies impact the way we interpret history. This teacher seems to have given facts prior to giving the Christian perspective. That's no different to giving the known facts and then explicitly giving putting them in a Marxist perspective, for example. Perhaps the very fact that the teacher is so open about this helps students realise that they bring their own biases to bear when we interpret the facts.
Misterb0z 1 year ago
He should loose his job.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
Make the complaint. Get together with the others who have dropped the class and make the complaint. If no one complains, he will continue to teach theology in a history class however politely it is done. At the risk of going over the top, all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
BeginWithDoubt 1 year ago
I think you should contact the students union (if one exists) and ask if this has been a problem before. If it has, make a formal complaint. If it hasn't, make an informal notification so that the department can remind that guy to keep his Christian perspective somewhere more appropriate, then notify the students union so they can later step up the game if this falls through the cracks of polite intercourse.
garouHH 1 year ago