The Christian God is the only living God therefore He is the only one that can speak. However He is not speaking to His people on earth now. The time of direct revelation has ceased because He has given us everything we need in His Word, the Bible.
@buckeyesports1 I too believe in facts that can be proven by evidence but that doesn't mean everything I believe can be proven by things seen. Although there are things that do pt to Biblical truth such as Israel being in captivity of Egypt or mentions of Alexander the great in the Bible. The Binle can be proven. I can't make you believe though. I wish I could. But I can't. I do however know one day you will know that I was right.
@billy936: Just because everybody who has ever believed in any deity believes theirs is real doesn't mean there's not something there; in fact, it might actually help solve the problem of what's actually there. God could be manifest in all religions to a degree, if perhaps only completely in one, and since every group reports some kind of religious experience, it's quite plausible; if so, it's painfully obvious which god fits the bill. Choose wisely.
Are you suggesting that only the Christian god claims to speak to people outside of his own religion? That's not true. Also, "religious" experiences aren't evidence. Sort of like how halucinations aren't evidence, or like how you don't trust most abduction stories. Humans are imaginative creatures, we are fearful creatures, and we are addicted to feeling that we "know" what's going on. So much so that we combine our fears and emotions with a very limited knowledge to create superstition.
@quadrupleplay I would still like to know what makes the Christian god "painfully obvious". Is it just that you think he's the only one who could communicate outside of his own religion?
@billy936: If people of all religions report a supernatural force, then it’s not a problem which god they are finding. The Christian God loves and hears prayers from people in every religion and is everpresent, if not always completely manifest. This strikes a blow against the inconsistency argument.
Let’s see if you can’t answer your own question, Billy: suppose you knew there was one true religion and had to guess. What would you choose and why? Your answer will be enlightening.
This is WOW news! Its about speaking the truth and glorifying our living God. Sadly to say, only 2% of our church speak the word of God. God did not just love America, Islam or Europe..but HE loved the the whole world.
2nd of all doing good things for your "fellow man" is a good thing. People helping others is God's common grace in man. I know you may not accept this but it's true. But doing good works aside from God's saving grace won't do anybody any good after this life. I'm not saying they don't matter or aren't good because they are.
@ParadoxAnonymous Ok 1st of all it takes more than just your view of "belief" to go to heaven. It takes real substantial faith in the redemptive and saving work of Jesus Christ. It takes belief in the fact that He died in your place and in mine to save us from eternal punishment. And yes I do believe that a rapist/pedophile/thief/murderer can go to heaven if he truly repents from his sin and wrong deeds. This doesn't mean they did wrong and are accountable for their works
@ParadoxAnonymous I never said a person had to believe in God to be a relatively good person. Yes ppl do good things, but life isn't about doing good things. Doing good things isn't going to help you after this life. The ONLY thing that can help you there is faith an belief in the one true living almighty God
@ParadoxAnonymous unless ye repent ye shall all like wise perish. JEsus says that if a man looks at a women to lust for her he commits adultery in his heart, and that if we hate someone we murder them already. I more than sure you are guilty of this, so in Gods eyes, you are no more righteous than a pedophile or murdered. All of us have sinned. It is through Jesus Christ that we can have forgiveness, but we still must repent and turn from our sin.
@ParadoxAnonymous SLACKTIVISM ? Ill have to remember that one, we have so many isms in the world already I guess I can handle one more May I add to your list ? Mathew 5:17-20 Duet 13 Duet 18 math 26 39 mark 10 18 mark 15 34 luke 23 46 john 14 28 john 20 17 1 cor 11 13 col 3 1 1 tim 2 5 matt 3 17 matt 17 5 mark 1 11 luke 3 22 And many many more
@jusaLOSER don't go on wishing ppl to burn in hell. Christians need to show Christ's love through themselves. Yes the comment was extremely inappropriate, uncalled for, and wildly offensive but if you're a Christian what kind of message is that sending to people. Christians need to be lights to the world.
What makes you positive the true word of god is the bible? Why wouldn't the oldest known texts of deities found in the Mesopotamian region be true? After all they were the first. What makes Jesus and Mary a reality, and Mithras and Horus, a very similar story written a few thousand years earlier, total fiction? Have you bothered to read any other religious texts, or just trust the local faith because you were born here?
@buckeyesports1 what's sad is how many ppl don't believe in the word of God anymore. What do you believe in? Everybody believes and puts their trust in something?
@Yeahthatslife16 I believe in evidence and empirical observations which can be repeatedly tested. I don't believe in bronze age mythology. You are an atheist when it comes to Shiva, Brahma, Osiris, Thor and Zeus. I simply believe in one less god than you do.
Wow this is a great way for people to look up the word of God. I read all these negative comments and I feel bad for all those lost souls. Jesus loves all of you and wants to save you people
For God so loved the world, he raped Mary and sent himself to earth for a fraction of a second, compared to his eternity in heaven, so whoever dares to question the outlandish claims of his book can spend eternity in hell. Sounds like a selfish, egotistical prick to me. If that god is real, fuck him. I'll take my chances. Peace
@hatchirokuae86 whaT IF THAT god that you created doesnt exist? He is just a figment of your imagination. If that is the god you believe in I wouldnt believe in him either. However, the true living God of the bible is not so. He is merciful, forgiving, just and love. If you would just humble yourself and put aside your hate, he will reveal himself to you in your life. God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
Was watching the Bronco's game today and saw the John 3:16 commercial and was just like wow . . . That's pretty awesome for this to be on national tv! I'm sure ppl were upset by it, but the gospel isn't about making ppl feel good it's about truth and bringing ppl to Christ. "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life" - that's John 3:16, that's how much God loves you
@Yeahthatslife16 The words "gospel" and "truth" should never belong in the same paragraph let alone the same sentence. The bible is filled with so much bs, it's actually said people still believe in that 2000 year old book written by MEN
@jusaLOSER There is no Hell you deluded fuck... and there is no Jesus.. we made that loser up. Your god is as real as a unicorn, too.. but you're too ignorant and stupid to know that.. because you were never taught how to think critically.
and this commercial got rejected not only because of the religious message but because it sucks. also, airing a religious message would probably cause loss of viewers in the future. it's funny that the uploader emphasizes "Rejected John 3:16 Super Bowl Commercial".
Also, the play shown doesn't resemble football past everyone wearing football clothes.
Also, the website is embarrassingly bad, in the sense that it's worse than this shitty commercial. The fact that this has likes is absurd. Have some taste. Just because it's Christian doesn't mean it's good.
Is anyone else avoiding the fact that this is a terrible fucking commercial? It doesn't suck because it's about christianity and football, its because it blows.
@TheLegendaryMoja and @katelynfrye7 Yes ofcourse! you can claim that it's HIS fault and you don't believe in HIM. that's because, you're pertaining to the reality that we are just a creation and all of us are having no power above HIM(the creator). It might go like this, If you are a robot created by someone, would you hate your creator that you are like that(a robot)? What does robot do? Do the things that was programmed.But we're much more than robot because of the WILL, the WILL to ignore HIM
the USA are no Christian country no more.After watching this Video i understand why the Americans helped the Bosnian Muslims against Christian Serbs.The Gods of most Americans is $and xxx
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@RustyTroller666 That's not why He died.. He created us to be with Him,(Genesis 1,2) to be in a perfect relationship with each other.. He wanted to pour out His love on us. He also gave us the will to choose to follow Him or follow this world.. Adam and Eve messed it all up in that garden when they disobeyed God and ate from the tree which He told them not to eat from. They sinned, and got kicked out of the garden.. and now, our sins separate us from God(Genesis 3). and after that people (cont.)
@RustyTroller666 (cont.) have been trying to remove their sins by being "good", but sins can't be removed by good deeds(Genesis 3 - Malachi 4). In other words, we can't get to heaven by being "good". God is perfect and we must be perfect like He is.. that's not possible for us at all.. So God sent His one and only Son, Jesus, to live the life we can't and die the death we all deserve.. God loves you soo much that He sent His beloved only son to die for your sins and for mine. (cont.)
1. We are imperfect because Adam and Eve chose to go against God, and that was our punishment. Man's fault.
2. We are dead in our sins because sin was created by Satan, not God, we are born with a want to to sin and sin separates us from God. Satan/Man's fault.
3. We can remove sins by believing in Jesus Christ as your personal savior. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Because God loves us so much he sent his son Jesus to shed his blood on the cross and die for our sins, and take them away, forever.
4. God created hell for Satan, but because we sin, we are separated from God so thats where you go if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. God didn't put them there, your sins did, but like I said, ther is a way out, through believing in Jesus Christ and that he died for your sins. He loves you.
@sarahsings123 Actually, God did put them there, because God created humans and hell and indeed sins. God dictates what is and is not a sin, and where you go if you do sin. Everything is under God's control. Therefore, God banishes his supposed loved ones to hell.
@oysterjoe It was evolutionary, atheistic (and pagan) thought resulting in a complete rejection of the authority of God's Law that drove Nazism. They believed that some people were not worthy to live and that the world would be a better place without them. This gave them the impetus to murder millions of innocent people. To then blame God for what is by definition opposed to God and his Law is irrational. God doesn't have to intervene the way we want to prove himself just and true.
@priestap Your god sits on his ass and does nothing and people praise the big IT [or IF]. Give me a break. If your god is omnipotent and allows the travails of this world then IT deserves to be B-slapped. IT should be thanking us for being so gullible.
@oysterjoe Actually God created Plato. He also created the mind with which you blaspheme his name. Christ died for the sins of people like you (and me). Repent and have your sins washed away by his blood before it is too late. If you don't, you will have to give an account to him in person for your sins. Jesus' death, burial and resurrection didn't happen in secret, but broad daylight, witnessed by hundreds. Trust in him to save you and find rest for your soul.
@priestap Never ceases to amaze me that people who probably look askance at Jews find it in their hearts to worship one and a dead one at that. I prefer my Jews alive and defending Isreal.
@oysterjoe Bringing up the Holocaust is a bit of a tangent. Why argue whether or not one god or many gods exist, just focus on how you as a human being can become more wholesome *shrug* Be excellent to each other, that's all that is asked.
@katelynfrye7 May God bless u Katelyn Frye. U r preaching the truth and God loves that. He loves so keep up the good work and remember that ur labor in the Lord is not in vain.
@RustyTroller666 so paying the price for sin, Jesus died and rose again.. He died because He loves you. That's exactly what John 3:16 says.God loves you and wants a relationship with you. The only way you or anyone else could make it in heaven is by simply receiving (means putting your faith alone in Christ alone to save you.) Jesus' free gift of salvation from being eternally separated from Him forever in Hell.. I know I don't know you, and that's okay, just know I'm praying for ya. <3
@katelynfrye7 So how does God's suicide pay the price for my sins? Would you let your mother's murderer go unpunished if the murder's mother would suffer the death penalty in his place? Of course not, it wouldn't b fair or useful. But God goes one step further for the worse, he decides for you that the murder can go free if the mother dies in his place. The Bible is a fairy tale, accept that as you presumably accept the non existence of Santa, The Easter Bunny, Zeus and Athena and thousands more
That’s what’s so amazing about God’s grace. It is not about being fair or useful, it is a totally undeserved gift that pays our penalty for us. And God sent Jesus out of love, like John 3:16 says, “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.” And yes, God does forgive the murderer. Undeserved forgiveness is at the very heart of Jesus’ message. (cont.)
@katelynfrye7 Pays our penalty? He's the one who decided that we needed to be penalized in the first place, because of the rules he created. If God loved the world he would have simply snapped his fingers and willed his desired configuration into place; instant forgiveness. Don't tell me God is incapable, because he's not. Jesus' existence wasn't necessary, and it wasn't a sacrifice. You can't sacrifice something of which you have an infinite supply. Christians just don't know good fiction.
@RustyTroller666 Before you write the Bible off as a fairy tale, have you ever actually read Jesus’ teachings for yourself? I would encourage you to read the book of John (w w w . bible gateway . com) and then see if you would still declare the Bible a fairy tale. There’s a reason it’s a best seller in a far different class than Santa, the Easter Bunny and Zeus.
@katelynfrye7 Yes I read it cover 2 cover at least 5 times and spent countless additional hours re-reading my favourite parts. I also wasted several years of my life in seminary. It is a collection of stories which have had thousands of years 2 evolve maximum impact in deluding people into supporting the loafing class made up of priests, nuns, monks and preachers. It is also useful for politicians who what 2 manipulate people in2 killing one another in holy wars. That's why it is good reading.
The natural man does not understand the things of God, because they are foolishness to him. The cross of Christ is foolishness to them that are perishing. Natural eyes do not SEE spiritual things, because they are SPIRITUAL. A dog understands, dog's language. A cat understands cat's language. A spirit understands Spirit's language. Men living away from the light of God are DEAD in their spirits and can never understand spiritual things. God Bless You dear Brother.
Whether the historians and scientists agree with the Bible or not, it does not change. It does not need your approval. you need to change according to what the Lord says. He will have the last laugh.
@atheistprophet5760 you have some really good points about Jesus but if God made not only the earth but space and time it self he can do pretty much anything
JOHN 3:16 is truth. It was written close to 2,000 years ago, but what it says will live forever, as what it says means the difference between life foreever with God or no life foreever with God. Lookitup like this commercial says, learn it; What do you got to lose? Reject it and you lose life foreever, learn it and live it, and you can gain life eternal.
@porghog its true there is little proof for miracle but its has been very credible on many other things including geographic and even scientific evidence
@zscout1288 Some things in the bible are based on real places, persons, and events but much of it is pseudohistory. Its a mix of history, false history, mythology, inspirtational sayings, etc...but not the inerrant "word of God".
The NFL has judged itself and has found wanton. The only thing Superbowl did this year of importance ws USHER, ushering in a message to Mr. Obama. WHERE ARE THE JOBS? The time has come for the IDOLS to crumble as the LION KING comes center stage. WAKE UP football fans the day of consumption is OVER! WAKE UP! God is still God no matter what foolish men say. The whole earth is filled with HIS GLORY! Even so come Lord Jesus come! The Spirit and Bride say COME!
Every Christian should do a critical evaluation into the history of Christianity as well as the other world religions. I did, and I realized that Christianity was not what I had been taught it to be. Christianity does not show superiority over any other religions, its simply the religion that more people follow and therefore has the most positive political/media influence.
fox turned down 3 million to air this short commercial? No in your face fire and brimstone your going to hell drinking beer and watching the game. Nope just the word John 316
Fox is no longer fair and balanced.?... and they should be ASHAMED!
Hey, guys, Jesus was real, and hey, guys, there is a God. We don't know whether they are the same because "science proves it", but we do know even an atheist can draw inspiration from Jesus's words in the gospel. So, idgaf
@Zombies8Alex Yes, I draw inspiration from Jesus when he stated "we know a tree by the fruit it bears" and he points out it IS possible to be perfect, as he stated "be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect." He said "Follow the laws and the prophets until heaven and earth disappear" Paul corrupted what Jesus taught, and now we have a world where the doctrines of orthodox Christianity leads to moral laxity, and the results are "much bad fruit."
@Texfield91 If you are making reference to my earlier post concerning how Paul corrupted the words of Jesus, then you should realize that he, like every "apostle" since then are self-appointed, and they all claim to have direct knowledge etc. etc. Paul never knew Jesus, and he and Peter did not even agree with each other. If they were both apostles, why would they disagree? Because they, like every one after them, had their own agenda--it's not about god at all.
Juan 3:16 Porque de tal manera amó Dios al mundo que ha dado a su hijo unigénito para que todo aquel que crea no se pierda, sino que tenga vida eterna.
@athiestprophet5760 God has a will for everything. But we CHOOSE what we want. We either want a life with God or want a life without God. As for me .. I choose God ♥
@JesusFreakkk3 No..it states that "The lot is cast into the lap, but its EVERY decision is from the lord. " EVERY is a universal term for ALL. There are no exceptions in this passage, and making words mean whatever you want them to mean, is using "Humpty Dumpty semantics.--it does not work. And what does it mean to say "god has a WILL for everything" in relation to the passages I've cited?
@athiestprophet5760 What you say, some people choose to believe. Others don't. Let me just say: I'll pray for you. Really, I will. Jesus loves you & will forgive you. You can't blame God for things that go wrong. (which I am not accusing you of). It's just that I notice that you say "Its Gods fault." Believe I would know, you can't blame God. I'm going to heaven & I pray that one day you will join me there (:
@JesusFreakkk3 If god determines everything as it states in Proverbs 16:33, then you have no choice whether you believe or not. God determines your choices--just as the example of the potter and the clay in Romans 9 demonstrates.
You wrote: "There is no way you could know whether I was professor or not..."
Sure I could. I refuse to believe that any institution of learning would higher a person with little knowledge of theology, philosophy, and apparently history to be a professor of anything.
But perhaps you're right that I don't know. I just highly doubt you are. Something sure does look, sound, and walk like a duck, though.
By private message I've offered to appear in person for a debate.
@josephroccojones Never mind me then, let us assume that you are correct. Since you have such respect for professors and their institution then I know you must agree with Friedrich Nietzsche and what he wrote in "The Antichrist" about how horrible Christianity is; and Bertrand Russell and what he wrote in "The Problems of Christanity'; and Finkelstein, who wrote the "Bible Unearthed." As Nietzsche said, "god is dead".
@josephroccojones Professor Mary Daly who wrote in Gyn/Ecology chapter 2, titled "Dismemberment by Christian and Post Christian Myth":
I have shown that the christian trinity legitimates male mating (Prelude) This trio, which might be named "The LegitiMates," united with their offspring (Incarnation), Christ and with his corporation. The Mystical Body of Christ, attempt to incorporate the world."
This was written when she was a professor at Boston College, a Jesuit-run institution.
@josephroccojones Your claim of the knowledge and understanding of professors is just a RED HERRING. Following your logic, all the professors I have mentioned must be knowledgeable and have a clear understanding of their subject matter. If they are knowledgeable and have a clear understanding of their subject matter, then what they profess, argue, and assert must be true, or they would not be professors. I hope you see how absurd your reasoning is. Arguments are judged by validity & soundness.
@atheistprophet5760 You really are embarrassing yourself. The point I made is clear: You couldn't be a professor because you do not understand basic terms. Your current responses are further proof.
Whether these atheist or anti-Christian scholars reach the same conclusions as theists or Christians is irrelevant because they - unlike you - are familiar with and conversant in basic terms.
Your lack of agreement is not the problem; your ignorance is.
@josephroccojones Mere assertion of ignorance is not an argument. I can assert YOU are ignorant because YOU misused the word 'higher' when it should have read 'hire'.Therefore YOU are ignorant of the basic terms. YOU must be totally ignorant and do not have an understanding of the English language. Therefore, you are not writing or speaking English. See how ignorant your reasoning is?
I did not misuse the word 'immaculate". If I had, that would not determine whether or not I am a professor.
@atheistprophet5760 I have clearly demonstrated that I am conversant in the "basic terms" as I have pointed out to you the difference between "THE Immaculate Conception"--which I did not say in the first place--and immaculate conception. Furthermore, I pointed out to you other "basic" terms and arguments, and have corrected you multiple times in these areas. Using your reasoning, you must be very ignorant, and you are embarrassing yourself.
@atheistprophet5760 This is pathetic. You misused a technical term; a term of art that you should know if you are who you say you are. I made a typographical error - something I do constantly. Those are two entirely different things.
Everyone else: Don't allow this person's opinions on philosophy or religion to upset you. He/she is not an expert.
@josephroccojones I did not misuse a "technical term"--I never said THE Immaculate Conception--I said some women have claimed immaculate conception. You are so ignorant of the English language, because you made a basic English mistake, that you have no understanding of English, and do not speak or write English--no wonder you misrepresent my English, and do not stick to the arguments, but resort to ad hominem.
Final thoughts on this: You do not know what you are talking about. You have a shallow and pedestrian understanding of philosophy and religion. You hide behind anonymous posts. You use cut and paste and try to intimidate folks by attempting to use terms you do not understand.
@josephroccojones Mary Daly was a professor when she wrote Gyn/Ecology, and stated that the christian trinity "legitimates male mating" This has been taken to mean that the Christian creation would have been a "homosexual act"--as there was no goddess. Again, since she was a professor (deceased), following your reasoning, she must have understood the "basic concept of the trinity." So, I guess, following your reasoning again, the trinity "legitimates male mating." Professor=truth :)
@atheistprophet5760 Are you at least now admitting that you are not a professor of philosophy or religion? That you don't have any real credentials of your own? That you are not published?
I'm sure that Daly understood the classic Christian definitions of terms but did not agree with them. You, by contrast, do not know what they mean.
@josephroccojones No, I AM a professor of religion and philosophy. I am merely pointing out YOUR faulty reasoning, which is also why I suggested to you that you take an Intro course in logic.
@atheistprophet5760 Hence,the notion of "spinning" that I employ.It is in memory of the "witches" as the spinsters were spinners.
Again you show your ignorance by making claims you could not possibly know.I am published, and have gone as far as Poland and Russia to present papers.You show your ignorance as to how epistemology and logic works. You are merely trying to use ad hominem to avoid the arguments and issues. A true sign of ignorance. Degree or no degree, arguments stand on their own.
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote: "[Y]ou show your ignorance by making claims you could not possibly know.I am published, and have gone as far as Poland and Russia to present papers."
I don't believe you. Prove it. What is the name of the paper[s] and where was it [they] published? What schools in Poland and Russia.
Again - so there is no confusion. I believe you are lying and I, therefore, call you a liar. Prove me wrong.
@josephroccojones Notice again, your use of ad hominem. It won't work. I want to know whether you agree with Mary Daly that the trinity "legitimates male mating," or, whether she is mistaken about the "basic term" trinity. In your ignorant ways, you want to avoid the argument, and just use ad hominem. You lack "scholarly character" and demonstrate your ignorance and lack of honesty.
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote: I want to know whether you agree with Mary Daly that the trinity "legitimates male mating," or, whether she is mistaken about the "basic term" trinity.
Your continued presentation of a false choice - which along with your straw men - further prove that you are not who you claim to be.
At the very least, it is ironic that you claim that I argue from fallacy when you (albeit unknowingly since you apparently don't know any better) do far worse.
@josephroccojones Again, just a mere assertion, and no answer. A weak and meager general reply to the argument. If it is a false choice, provide the counter example, and give me a chance to respond. This is how a TRUE scholar does things. You have not shown my argument to be fallacious because you have not provided an alternative that gets you out of the dilemma. There might be many other choices, but if taking any one of them places you in an absurd position, then your argument has failed.
@josephroccojones I will contact you in the proper fashion. In other words,I agree to meet and debate you in a public forum, but before we work out the details I prefer NOT to give you my name, my university, and so forth.Given your reasoning skills, you may not be worthy of such a debate, and just pretending to want to debate so that you can find out which university I am at in order to harass me.
You still have not provided a counter example that gets you out of the dilemma.I am waiting.
I don't see a need to give a counter example of anything. Perhaps I lost the question somewhere. In any event, my point is that, were you to ask this Daly if she could explain what Christians believe, she probably could.
You, by contrast, cannot. Until this began, you did not know terms such as Immaculate Conception and Hypostatic Union. You were not aware of the teaching of the Council of Ephesus or Chalcedon or what they meant.
@josephroccojones Again, another ad hominem attack, and avoidance of the argument. Again, mere assertion. I knew all the terms in question, and you have not proved otherwise. In the first place, as pointed out several times, "some women have claimed immaculate conception" I did not say Mary had "THE Immaculate Conception." I further explained to you that I was using the term in the manner of "spinning." If I say that someone makes a claim about a term, that does not mean I agree with them.
@josephroccojones Again, note your dilemma. Either you agree with her conclusion about the trinity, OR you must say she does not understand the "basic term"- trinity. If she does not understand, according to you, then she would not be a professor. But we have proof she was a professor, and retired as a professor before she died. This contradiction shows that your premise is false. Or, you agree with her, thereby agreeing with her claim that the trinity legitimates male mating. See the "spin?"
@atheistprophet5760 I see a lot of desperation from you. You are not who you say you are. I know it. You know. The other readers - if any - know it.
I don't agree with what you claim is her conclusion. But I haven't read her work (and neither have you). I can't say if she understands the term or not, although I'm confident that a professor could explain Christian theology of the trinity and then explain how their theory differs or is the same. Something you can't do.
Her statement is clear and simple. Mary Daly stated that the trinity legitimates male mating.
Your feeble response is "you can't say if she understands the term or not"--my point exactly. And you don't know if I understood "The Immaculate Conception" or not in the same fashion as you claim to not know if Mary Daly misunderstands the "basic term" trinity. Worse yet, I did not use the basic term "The Immaculate Conception."
@josephroccojones You said that "I have never read Mary Daly's work." Another mere assertion and ad hominem attack. How could you possibly know what I have read?? Another feeble attempt to avoid the arguments. Sad indeed...
@josephroccojones Nevertheless, here is a counter to your P1, not based on Mary Daly.
A professor of philosophy whose major field in philosophy is ethics.This professor makes an argument on a subject in the philosophy of science,misusing a "basic term" in the philosophy of science.This person misunderstands the basic terms, and misused it in the argument. However, this person is still a professor! Your P1 is false. See? I do not need to resort to ad hominem to show your argument is not sound.
@josephroccojones You just illustrated that you do not even know what a basic argument is in deductive logic. Furthermore, you have not illustrated that I did not know the distinction between a beings nature and its personhood. YOU previously claimed that jesus was not a full person.That is a ridiculous claim for you to make given your position. A christian claim is that Jesus is fully human. I pointed out to you that if Jesus was fully human, then he would have the attributes of being-- tbc.
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote: "YOU previously claimed that jesus was not a full person."
No, I didn't. Look again. I said - as the Council of Chalcedon did in the 400s, that Jesus is a divine person with a fully human nature and a fully divine nature.
It is a ridiculous claim? Well - that depends on faith. But my claim is the claim of the Christian Churches for two thousand years. Read some history.
@josephroccojones Go back to page 8, you said "Thus, one of the points of the hypostatic union is that Jesus is NOT A HUMAN PERSON, but rather, is a Divine Person who assumed a human nature. Now, I took a photo of the page, because I thought you might delete it after I pointed out your error, and you finally came to the realization that I was right.
@josephroccojones Just like your other claim, this claim too shows that your ad hominem has no basis or foundation. Your P1 was false in your first attempt, and P2 was false in your second attempt. Your claim that I misunderstood "The Immaculate Conception" was false, as I did not say THE Immaculate Conception. I said some women CLAIM immaculate conception.
@josephroccojones As a scholar, I admitted my mistake, but it did not matter, because I had already posted another counter to your argument. Scholars are not afraid to make mistakes, and professors make mistakes too. Good scholars admit it and stay focused on the argument. You, however, resort to ad hominem, and only eventually, when prodded, attempt to save face by addressing the argument. I had to force you to finally "revise" it but you still did not admit you made a mistake.
"It is improper to refer to Jesus as "an immaculate conception" because of the hypostatic union. Jesus is a Divine Person (with two natures), not a human person."
Again, you said that Jesus is not a human person--YOU ASSERTED THIS AS A FACT! Why not just admit your mistake and apologize for your baseless ad hominem attack.
"You're using words improperly. Now, ordinarily, I wouldn't care. But you are pretending to be an authority on the subject. And the deception is a real problem that could cause real danger.
It is improper to refer to Jesus as "an immaculate conception" because of the hypostatic union. Jesus is a Divine Person (with two natures), not a human person.
Now I, by contrast, am a human being. Thus, you could refer to me as a "conception." But not Jesus."
"You're using words improperly. Now, ordinarily, I wouldn't care. But you are pretending to be an authority on the subject. And the deception is a real problem that could cause real danger.
It is improper to refer to Jesus as "an immaculate conception" because of the hypostatic union. Jesus is a Divine Person (with two natures), not a human person.
Now I, by contrast, am a human being. Thus, you could refer to me as a "conception." But not Jesus."
@billy936 How do you oppose? I support it by Biblical proof.
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
The Christian God is the only living God therefore He is the only one that can speak. However He is not speaking to His people on earth now. The time of direct revelation has ceased because He has given us everything we need in His Word, the Bible.
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
@Yeahthatslife16 premise: "the christian god is the only living god". How do you support this?
billy936 1 month ago
@buckeyesports1 I too believe in facts that can be proven by evidence but that doesn't mean everything I believe can be proven by things seen. Although there are things that do pt to Biblical truth such as Israel being in captivity of Egypt or mentions of Alexander the great in the Bible. The Binle can be proven. I can't make you believe though. I wish I could. But I can't. I do however know one day you will know that I was right.
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
I have no doubt my God is real and living. Is yours?
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
@Yeahthatslife16 says every theist who ever believed in any specific god.
billy936 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@billy936: Just because everybody who has ever believed in any deity believes theirs is real doesn't mean there's not something there; in fact, it might actually help solve the problem of what's actually there. God could be manifest in all religions to a degree, if perhaps only completely in one, and since every group reports some kind of religious experience, it's quite plausible; if so, it's painfully obvious which god fits the bill. Choose wisely.
quadrupleplay 1 month ago
@quadrupleplay I'm pretty interested in hearing how any specific deity is "painfully obvious".
billy936 1 month ago
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quadrupleplay 1 month ago
Are you suggesting that only the Christian god claims to speak to people outside of his own religion? That's not true. Also, "religious" experiences aren't evidence. Sort of like how halucinations aren't evidence, or like how you don't trust most abduction stories. Humans are imaginative creatures, we are fearful creatures, and we are addicted to feeling that we "know" what's going on. So much so that we combine our fears and emotions with a very limited knowledge to create superstition.
billy936 1 month ago
@quadrupleplay I would still like to know what makes the Christian god "painfully obvious". Is it just that you think he's the only one who could communicate outside of his own religion?
billy936 1 month ago
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@billy936: If people of all religions report a supernatural force, then it’s not a problem which god they are finding. The Christian God loves and hears prayers from people in every religion and is everpresent, if not always completely manifest. This strikes a blow against the inconsistency argument.
Let’s see if you can’t answer your own question, Billy: suppose you knew there was one true religion and had to guess. What would you choose and why? Your answer will be enlightening.
quadrupleplay 1 month ago
This is WOW news! Its about speaking the truth and glorifying our living God. Sadly to say, only 2% of our church speak the word of God. God did not just love America, Islam or Europe..but HE loved the the whole world.
911jypy 1 month ago
thats what im talkin about!
MrSupasexi 1 month ago
@paradoxAnnonymous I guess we'll see if you're laughing in eternity won't we?
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
2nd of all doing good things for your "fellow man" is a good thing. People helping others is God's common grace in man. I know you may not accept this but it's true. But doing good works aside from God's saving grace won't do anybody any good after this life. I'm not saying they don't matter or aren't good because they are.
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
*doenst mean they didn't do wrong
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
@ParadoxAnonymous Ok 1st of all it takes more than just your view of "belief" to go to heaven. It takes real substantial faith in the redemptive and saving work of Jesus Christ. It takes belief in the fact that He died in your place and in mine to save us from eternal punishment. And yes I do believe that a rapist/pedophile/thief/murderer can go to heaven if he truly repents from his sin and wrong deeds. This doesn't mean they did wrong and are accountable for their works
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
@Yeahthatslife16
Lol
I'll just keep doing what I'm doing, and you just keep doing whatever it is you're doing.
There's no point in debating a person that refuses to use logic and reason anyways. It's like administering medicine to the deceased.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 month ago
@ParadoxAnonymous I never said a person had to believe in God to be a relatively good person. Yes ppl do good things, but life isn't about doing good things. Doing good things isn't going to help you after this life. The ONLY thing that can help you there is faith an belief in the one true living almighty God
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
@Yeahthatslife16
That's ridiculous. Lol
So a serial rapist/pedophile/thief/murderer can go to heaven as long as he/she believes in "the almighty god".
Shit, I must've been wasting time all these years helping my fellow man, huh?
Faith and belief is useless. COMPLETELY useless.
I guess it's easier to just pray and believe you're making a difference in the world than actually performing good deeds.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 month ago
@ParadoxAnonymous unless ye repent ye shall all like wise perish. JEsus says that if a man looks at a women to lust for her he commits adultery in his heart, and that if we hate someone we murder them already. I more than sure you are guilty of this, so in Gods eyes, you are no more righteous than a pedophile or murdered. All of us have sinned. It is through Jesus Christ that we can have forgiveness, but we still must repent and turn from our sin.
BigD71889 1 month ago
@BigD71889
...Alrighty.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 month ago
I wonder why they don't advertise the other verses, like-- Mark 10:9 and Mark 10:11-12
or Judges 21:10-24, or Deuteronomy 17:12, or Deuteronomy 22:20-21.
Obviously Christians aren't reading their bibles.
Religious slacktivism is apparent.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 month ago
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debateyourfaith 1 month ago
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@ParadoxAnonymous SLACKTIVISM ? Ill have to remember that one, we have so many isms in the world already I guess I can handle one more May I add to your list ? Mathew 5:17-20 Duet 13 Duet 18 math 26 39 mark 10 18 mark 15 34 luke 23 46 john 14 28 john 20 17 1 cor 11 13 col 3 1 1 tim 2 5 matt 3 17 matt 17 5 mark 1 11 luke 3 22 And many many more
debateyourfaith 1 month ago
Great commercial!!! Every one should know this! God loves you.
smdoc07 1 month ago
@jusaLOSER don't go on wishing ppl to burn in hell. Christians need to show Christ's love through themselves. Yes the comment was extremely inappropriate, uncalled for, and wildly offensive but if you're a Christian what kind of message is that sending to people. Christians need to be lights to the world.
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
Do NOT slander my God!
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
What makes you positive the true word of god is the bible? Why wouldn't the oldest known texts of deities found in the Mesopotamian region be true? After all they were the first. What makes Jesus and Mary a reality, and Mithras and Horus, a very similar story written a few thousand years earlier, total fiction? Have you bothered to read any other religious texts, or just trust the local faith because you were born here?
hatchirokuae86 1 month ago
@buckeyesports1 what's sad is how many ppl don't believe in the word of God anymore. What do you believe in? Everybody believes and puts their trust in something?
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago
@Yeahthatslife16
Believe it or not, you don't need to believe in a god to be a great person.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 month ago
@Yeahthatslife16 I believe in evidence and empirical observations which can be repeatedly tested. I don't believe in bronze age mythology. You are an atheist when it comes to Shiva, Brahma, Osiris, Thor and Zeus. I simply believe in one less god than you do.
buckeyesports1 1 month ago
Wow this is a great way for people to look up the word of God. I read all these negative comments and I feel bad for all those lost souls. Jesus loves all of you and wants to save you people
jlo1919 1 month ago
For God so loved the world, he raped Mary and sent himself to earth for a fraction of a second, compared to his eternity in heaven, so whoever dares to question the outlandish claims of his book can spend eternity in hell. Sounds like a selfish, egotistical prick to me. If that god is real, fuck him. I'll take my chances. Peace
hatchirokuae86 1 month ago
@hatchirokuae86 whaT IF THAT god that you created doesnt exist? He is just a figment of your imagination. If that is the god you believe in I wouldnt believe in him either. However, the true living God of the bible is not so. He is merciful, forgiving, just and love. If you would just humble yourself and put aside your hate, he will reveal himself to you in your life. God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
BigD71889 1 month ago
Was watching the Bronco's game today and saw the John 3:16 commercial and was just like wow . . . That's pretty awesome for this to be on national tv! I'm sure ppl were upset by it, but the gospel isn't about making ppl feel good it's about truth and bringing ppl to Christ. "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life" - that's John 3:16, that's how much God loves you
Yeahthatslife16 1 month ago 8
@Yeahthatslife16 The words "gospel" and "truth" should never belong in the same paragraph let alone the same sentence. The bible is filled with so much bs, it's actually said people still believe in that 2000 year old book written by MEN
buckeyesports1 1 month ago
@buckeyesports1 how else could it be written?
MexicaItzcuintli 1 month ago
@Yeahthatslife16 if hes real
jess4stillo131 1 month ago
Lol It's ironic how the majority of people searching for this verse were Christian.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 month ago
@ParadoxAnonymous
And also how ironic it is that the majority of people searching for this video are atheists.
FD7XGU8X 1 month ago
@FD7XGU8X
I see how that comment is directed towards me, but fortunately, I came across it on Facebook.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 month ago
@ParadoxAnonymous
So did I
FD7XGU8X 1 month ago
Religion like Christianity, the Buybull and Jesus can all suck a dick.
Mushuukyou 1 month ago
@Mushuukyou this is SO INAPPROPRIATE!!!! i'm going to make sure u get this TAKEN OFF!!!!!!!!! BURN IN HELL SINNER!
jusaLOSER 1 month ago in playlist John 3:16 Super Bowl Commercial
@jusaLOSER There is no Hell you deluded fuck... and there is no Jesus.. we made that loser up. Your god is as real as a unicorn, too.. but you're too ignorant and stupid to know that.. because you were never taught how to think critically.
*smack*
Jesus can suck a dick.
Mushuukyou 1 month ago
@Mushuukyou ur cool. internet thug lol
BigD71889 1 month ago
did anyone just see the John 3:16 commercial, during the denver game??
GameTubSite 1 month ago 8
@GameTubSite I DID! IT WAS GREAT!
LovePique777 1 month ago
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@GameTubSite It was awesome : D
TeamTuc 1 month ago
and this commercial got rejected not only because of the religious message but because it sucks. also, airing a religious message would probably cause loss of viewers in the future. it's funny that the uploader emphasizes "Rejected John 3:16 Super Bowl Commercial".
iskim86 1 month ago
what the hell is this? why would god have any interest in american football?
iskim86 1 month ago
John?.... 3?...... 16?
Is that dude reading at a 1st grade level?
Also, the play shown doesn't resemble football past everyone wearing football clothes.
Also, the website is embarrassingly bad, in the sense that it's worse than this shitty commercial. The fact that this has likes is absurd. Have some taste. Just because it's Christian doesn't mean it's good.
snwoodstock13 2 months ago
Is anyone else avoiding the fact that this is a terrible fucking commercial? It doesn't suck because it's about christianity and football, its because it blows.
MaxwellRandomly 2 months ago
Why was this rejected? It's awesome.
BELKISDAVIS 4 months ago
@TheLegendaryMoja and @katelynfrye7 Yes ofcourse! you can claim that it's HIS fault and you don't believe in HIM. that's because, you're pertaining to the reality that we are just a creation and all of us are having no power above HIM(the creator). It might go like this, If you are a robot created by someone, would you hate your creator that you are like that(a robot)? What does robot do? Do the things that was programmed.But we're much more than robot because of the WILL, the WILL to ignore HIM
joralie2009 7 months ago
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gods are imaginary.
ndrthrdr1 7 months ago
the USA are no Christian country no more.After watching this Video i understand why the Americans helped the Bosnian Muslims against Christian Serbs.The Gods of most Americans is $and xxx
mastouris69 8 months ago
Thank God it was cancelled LOL
See what a did there?
batistaker123 9 months ago
DEAR lARD, i juST WAnnA pRAiSE you FoR BEATinG thE liVinG ShiT ouT of youRSElF AnD TouRtuRinG youRSElF so ThAT you could FEEl bETTER ABouT youR FAiluRE AS A CREAToR AnD STop ThRoWinG a hiSSy FiT oVER mE CoVETinG my nEiGhBoR'S ASS. pRAiSE you jESuS!
RustyTroller666 9 months ago
@RustyTroller666 That's not why He died.. He created us to be with Him,(Genesis 1,2) to be in a perfect relationship with each other.. He wanted to pour out His love on us. He also gave us the will to choose to follow Him or follow this world.. Adam and Eve messed it all up in that garden when they disobeyed God and ate from the tree which He told them not to eat from. They sinned, and got kicked out of the garden.. and now, our sins separate us from God(Genesis 3). and after that people (cont.)
katelynfrye7 9 months ago
@RustyTroller666 (cont.) have been trying to remove their sins by being "good", but sins can't be removed by good deeds(Genesis 3 - Malachi 4). In other words, we can't get to heaven by being "good". God is perfect and we must be perfect like He is.. that's not possible for us at all.. So God sent His one and only Son, Jesus, to live the life we can't and die the death we all deserve.. God loves you soo much that He sent His beloved only son to die for your sins and for mine. (cont.)
katelynfrye7 9 months ago
1. We are imperfect because God made us so. God's fault.
2. We are dead in our sins because God created us, created sins, and gave us tendencies towards committing them. God's fault.
3. We cannot remove sins by doing good deeds because God decided so. God's fault.
4. We burn in hell because God created hell and banishes us there. Every person burning in hell is there because God put them there. God's fault.
For a perfect being, he seems to have a lot of faults.
TheLegendaryMoja 8 months ago
@TheLegendaryMoja
1. We are imperfect because Adam and Eve chose to go against God, and that was our punishment. Man's fault.
2. We are dead in our sins because sin was created by Satan, not God, we are born with a want to to sin and sin separates us from God. Satan/Man's fault.
3. We can remove sins by believing in Jesus Christ as your personal savior. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
sarahsings123 6 months ago
@sarahsings123 most retarded thing I have ever read. you contradict your self too much
Blazing234 5 months ago
@TheLegendaryMoja
Because God loves us so much he sent his son Jesus to shed his blood on the cross and die for our sins, and take them away, forever.
4. God created hell for Satan, but because we sin, we are separated from God so thats where you go if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. God didn't put them there, your sins did, but like I said, ther is a way out, through believing in Jesus Christ and that he died for your sins. He loves you.
sarahsings123 6 months ago
@sarahsings123 Actually, God did put them there, because God created humans and hell and indeed sins. God dictates what is and is not a sin, and where you go if you do sin. Everything is under God's control. Therefore, God banishes his supposed loved ones to hell.
TheLegendaryMoja 6 months ago
@TheLegendaryMoja Where was this wondrous creature during the Holocaust? Perhaps he's anti-semitic. That would explain a lot.
If God exists let him prove it by giving you a brain.
oysterjoe 4 months ago
@oysterjoe It was evolutionary, atheistic (and pagan) thought resulting in a complete rejection of the authority of God's Law that drove Nazism. They believed that some people were not worthy to live and that the world would be a better place without them. This gave them the impetus to murder millions of innocent people. To then blame God for what is by definition opposed to God and his Law is irrational. God doesn't have to intervene the way we want to prove himself just and true.
priestap 3 months ago
@priestap Your god sits on his ass and does nothing and people praise the big IT [or IF]. Give me a break. If your god is omnipotent and allows the travails of this world then IT deserves to be B-slapped. IT should be thanking us for being so gullible.
Have you read nothing? Plato created god.
oysterjoe 3 months ago
@oysterjoe Actually God created Plato. He also created the mind with which you blaspheme his name. Christ died for the sins of people like you (and me). Repent and have your sins washed away by his blood before it is too late. If you don't, you will have to give an account to him in person for your sins. Jesus' death, burial and resurrection didn't happen in secret, but broad daylight, witnessed by hundreds. Trust in him to save you and find rest for your soul.
priestap 3 months ago 2
@priestap Never ceases to amaze me that people who probably look askance at Jews find it in their hearts to worship one and a dead one at that. I prefer my Jews alive and defending Isreal.
Take a hike.
oysterjoe 3 months ago
@oysterjoe Bringing up the Holocaust is a bit of a tangent. Why argue whether or not one god or many gods exist, just focus on how you as a human being can become more wholesome *shrug* Be excellent to each other, that's all that is asked.
pkscolax 2 months ago
@pkscolax Who's doing the asking?
As for myself, being raised as a Catholic, all I ask is a "fair shake" for all. Of course, as a Catholic, I know I won't get it.
oysterjoe 2 months ago
@katelynfrye7 May God bless u Katelyn Frye. U r preaching the truth and God loves that. He loves so keep up the good work and remember that ur labor in the Lord is not in vain.
MrBre94 6 months ago
@RustyTroller666 so paying the price for sin, Jesus died and rose again.. He died because He loves you. That's exactly what John 3:16 says.God loves you and wants a relationship with you. The only way you or anyone else could make it in heaven is by simply receiving (means putting your faith alone in Christ alone to save you.) Jesus' free gift of salvation from being eternally separated from Him forever in Hell.. I know I don't know you, and that's okay, just know I'm praying for ya. <3
katelynfrye7 9 months ago
@katelynfrye7 So how does God's suicide pay the price for my sins? Would you let your mother's murderer go unpunished if the murder's mother would suffer the death penalty in his place? Of course not, it wouldn't b fair or useful. But God goes one step further for the worse, he decides for you that the murder can go free if the mother dies in his place. The Bible is a fairy tale, accept that as you presumably accept the non existence of Santa, The Easter Bunny, Zeus and Athena and thousands more
RustyTroller666 9 months ago
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That’s what’s so amazing about God’s grace. It is not about being fair or useful, it is a totally undeserved gift that pays our penalty for us. And God sent Jesus out of love, like John 3:16 says, “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.” And yes, God does forgive the murderer. Undeserved forgiveness is at the very heart of Jesus’ message. (cont.)
katelynfrye7 9 months ago 2
@katelynfrye7 Pays our penalty? He's the one who decided that we needed to be penalized in the first place, because of the rules he created. If God loved the world he would have simply snapped his fingers and willed his desired configuration into place; instant forgiveness. Don't tell me God is incapable, because he's not. Jesus' existence wasn't necessary, and it wasn't a sacrifice. You can't sacrifice something of which you have an infinite supply. Christians just don't know good fiction.
TheLegendaryMoja 8 months ago
@RustyTroller666 Before you write the Bible off as a fairy tale, have you ever actually read Jesus’ teachings for yourself? I would encourage you to read the book of John (w w w . bible gateway . com) and then see if you would still declare the Bible a fairy tale. There’s a reason it’s a best seller in a far different class than Santa, the Easter Bunny and Zeus.
katelynfrye7 9 months ago
@katelynfrye7 Yes I read it cover 2 cover at least 5 times and spent countless additional hours re-reading my favourite parts. I also wasted several years of my life in seminary. It is a collection of stories which have had thousands of years 2 evolve maximum impact in deluding people into supporting the loafing class made up of priests, nuns, monks and preachers. It is also useful for politicians who what 2 manipulate people in2 killing one another in holy wars. That's why it is good reading.
RustyTroller666 9 months ago
@RustyTroller666 You don't know much about the Bible if you think nuns and monks are in there. And I'm not talking about Joshua the son of Nun.
filoIII 9 months ago
Austin 3:16 says i just whipped your ass!!
KryptoChronicutelite 10 months ago
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zme2008 1 year ago
The natural man does not understand the things of God, because they are foolishness to him. The cross of Christ is foolishness to them that are perishing. Natural eyes do not SEE spiritual things, because they are SPIRITUAL. A dog understands, dog's language. A cat understands cat's language. A spirit understands Spirit's language. Men living away from the light of God are DEAD in their spirits and can never understand spiritual things. God Bless You dear Brother.
stevsum 1 year ago
Whether the historians and scientists agree with the Bible or not, it does not change. It does not need your approval. you need to change according to what the Lord says. He will have the last laugh.
stevsum 1 year ago
ridiculo
tobyeo 1 year ago
Who has looked it up or knows what it says? Someone said this accidentally aired, is that true? Here's something else you can look up
youtube.com/watch?v=HF15T30xCPc
I never believed in these, until it happened to me.
Hermanopepe 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 you have some really good points about Jesus but if God made not only the earth but space and time it self he can do pretty much anything
zscout1288 1 year ago
Sorry forgot to put @proghog
zscout1288 1 year ago
I also want you to explain why all the food they called unclean was actually unhealthy for you when it was eaten by everyone else of that time
zscout1288 1 year ago
Ok then what parts are "false" history
zscout1288 1 year ago
JOHN 3:16 is truth. It was written close to 2,000 years ago, but what it says will live forever, as what it says means the difference between life foreever with God or no life foreever with God. Lookitup like this commercial says, learn it; What do you got to lose? Reject it and you lose life foreever, learn it and live it, and you can gain life eternal.
JP0able 1 year ago
@porghog its true there is little proof for miracle but its has been very credible on many other things including geographic and even scientific evidence
zscout1288 1 year ago
@zscout1288 Some things in the bible are based on real places, persons, and events but much of it is pseudohistory. Its a mix of history, false history, mythology, inspirtational sayings, etc...but not the inerrant "word of God".
porghog 1 year ago
@whiteyvanpeebles It's "fascist" you illiterate cum bag.
vudumojos 1 year ago
@vudumojos You're truly laughable. it's no wonder you're a god fraud.
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
The NFL has judged itself and has found wanton. The only thing Superbowl did this year of importance ws USHER, ushering in a message to Mr. Obama. WHERE ARE THE JOBS? The time has come for the IDOLS to crumble as the LION KING comes center stage. WAKE UP football fans the day of consumption is OVER! WAKE UP! God is still God no matter what foolish men say. The whole earth is filled with HIS GLORY! Even so come Lord Jesus come! The Spirit and Bride say COME!
warriorgal1 1 year ago
@Zombies8Alex god and Jesus are 2 different people that share the se spiritual body
dx5648 1 year ago
@dx5648 Jesus is the God The Son, the second part of the trinity
godstenrules 1 year ago
@athiestprophet5760 its in the history books .. Jesus was reaalll (:
JesusFreakkk3 1 year ago
Every Christian should do a critical evaluation into the history of Christianity as well as the other world religions. I did, and I realized that Christianity was not what I had been taught it to be. Christianity does not show superiority over any other religions, its simply the religion that more people follow and therefore has the most positive political/media influence.
porghog 1 year ago
fox turned down 3 million to air this short commercial? No in your face fire and brimstone your going to hell drinking beer and watching the game. Nope just the word John 316
Fox is no longer fair and balanced.?... and they should be ASHAMED!
teresa2845 1 year ago
They broadcasted this ad in D.C too.
bazzo9 1 year ago
Hey, guys, Jesus was real, and hey, guys, there is a God. We don't know whether they are the same because "science proves it", but we do know even an atheist can draw inspiration from Jesus's words in the gospel. So, idgaf
Zombies8Alex 1 year ago
@Zombies8Alex Yes, I draw inspiration from Jesus when he stated "we know a tree by the fruit it bears" and he points out it IS possible to be perfect, as he stated "be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect." He said "Follow the laws and the prophets until heaven and earth disappear" Paul corrupted what Jesus taught, and now we have a world where the doctrines of orthodox Christianity leads to moral laxity, and the results are "much bad fruit."
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 in what way do you mean? Paul was an apostle of God.
Texfield91 1 year ago
@Texfield91 If you are making reference to my earlier post concerning how Paul corrupted the words of Jesus, then you should realize that he, like every "apostle" since then are self-appointed, and they all claim to have direct knowledge etc. etc. Paul never knew Jesus, and he and Peter did not even agree with each other. If they were both apostles, why would they disagree? Because they, like every one after them, had their own agenda--it's not about god at all.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@Zombies8Alex Jesus IS God, manifested in human flesh! He did a lot of miraculous signs.
godstenrules 1 year ago
Juan 3:16 Porque de tal manera amó Dios al mundo que ha dado a su hijo unigénito para que todo aquel que crea no se pierda, sino que tenga vida eterna.
pinguman13 1 year ago
@athiestprophet5760 God has a will for everything. But we CHOOSE what we want. We either want a life with God or want a life without God. As for me .. I choose God ♥
JesusFreakkk3 1 year ago
@JesusFreakkk3 No..it states that "The lot is cast into the lap, but its EVERY decision is from the lord. " EVERY is a universal term for ALL. There are no exceptions in this passage, and making words mean whatever you want them to mean, is using "Humpty Dumpty semantics.--it does not work. And what does it mean to say "god has a WILL for everything" in relation to the passages I've cited?
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@athiestprophet5760 What you say, some people choose to believe. Others don't. Let me just say: I'll pray for you. Really, I will. Jesus loves you & will forgive you. You can't blame God for things that go wrong. (which I am not accusing you of). It's just that I notice that you say "Its Gods fault." Believe I would know, you can't blame God. I'm going to heaven & I pray that one day you will join me there (:
JesusFreakkk3 1 year ago
@JesusFreakkk3 If god determines everything as it states in Proverbs 16:33, then you have no choice whether you believe or not. God determines your choices--just as the example of the potter and the clay in Romans 9 demonstrates.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
I believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and what I do not believe in, our people who claim to be a believer
bryanguy1 1 year ago
You wrote: "There is no way you could know whether I was professor or not..."
Sure I could. I refuse to believe that any institution of learning would higher a person with little knowledge of theology, philosophy, and apparently history to be a professor of anything.
But perhaps you're right that I don't know. I just highly doubt you are. Something sure does look, sound, and walk like a duck, though.
By private message I've offered to appear in person for a debate.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
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atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
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atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Never mind me then, let us assume that you are correct. Since you have such respect for professors and their institution then I know you must agree with Friedrich Nietzsche and what he wrote in "The Antichrist" about how horrible Christianity is; and Bertrand Russell and what he wrote in "The Problems of Christanity'; and Finkelstein, who wrote the "Bible Unearthed." As Nietzsche said, "god is dead".
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Professor Mary Daly who wrote in Gyn/Ecology chapter 2, titled "Dismemberment by Christian and Post Christian Myth":
I have shown that the christian trinity legitimates male mating (Prelude) This trio, which might be named "The LegitiMates," united with their offspring (Incarnation), Christ and with his corporation. The Mystical Body of Christ, attempt to incorporate the world."
This was written when she was a professor at Boston College, a Jesuit-run institution.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Your claim of the knowledge and understanding of professors is just a RED HERRING. Following your logic, all the professors I have mentioned must be knowledgeable and have a clear understanding of their subject matter. If they are knowledgeable and have a clear understanding of their subject matter, then what they profess, argue, and assert must be true, or they would not be professors. I hope you see how absurd your reasoning is. Arguments are judged by validity & soundness.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 You really are embarrassing yourself. The point I made is clear: You couldn't be a professor because you do not understand basic terms. Your current responses are further proof.
Whether these atheist or anti-Christian scholars reach the same conclusions as theists or Christians is irrelevant because they - unlike you - are familiar with and conversant in basic terms.
Your lack of agreement is not the problem; your ignorance is.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Mere assertion of ignorance is not an argument. I can assert YOU are ignorant because YOU misused the word 'higher' when it should have read 'hire'.Therefore YOU are ignorant of the basic terms. YOU must be totally ignorant and do not have an understanding of the English language. Therefore, you are not writing or speaking English. See how ignorant your reasoning is?
I did not misuse the word 'immaculate". If I had, that would not determine whether or not I am a professor.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 I have clearly demonstrated that I am conversant in the "basic terms" as I have pointed out to you the difference between "THE Immaculate Conception"--which I did not say in the first place--and immaculate conception. Furthermore, I pointed out to you other "basic" terms and arguments, and have corrected you multiple times in these areas. Using your reasoning, you must be very ignorant, and you are embarrassing yourself.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 This is pathetic. You misused a technical term; a term of art that you should know if you are who you say you are. I made a typographical error - something I do constantly. Those are two entirely different things.
Everyone else: Don't allow this person's opinions on philosophy or religion to upset you. He/she is not an expert.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones I did not misuse a "technical term"--I never said THE Immaculate Conception--I said some women have claimed immaculate conception. You are so ignorant of the English language, because you made a basic English mistake, that you have no understanding of English, and do not speak or write English--no wonder you misrepresent my English, and do not stick to the arguments, but resort to ad hominem.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 The posts speak for themselves.
Final thoughts on this: You do not know what you are talking about. You have a shallow and pedestrian understanding of philosophy and religion. You hide behind anonymous posts. You use cut and paste and try to intimidate folks by attempting to use terms you do not understand.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Mary Daly was a professor when she wrote Gyn/Ecology, and stated that the christian trinity "legitimates male mating" This has been taken to mean that the Christian creation would have been a "homosexual act"--as there was no goddess. Again, since she was a professor (deceased), following your reasoning, she must have understood the "basic concept of the trinity." So, I guess, following your reasoning again, the trinity "legitimates male mating." Professor=truth :)
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 Are you at least now admitting that you are not a professor of philosophy or religion? That you don't have any real credentials of your own? That you are not published?
I'm sure that Daly understood the classic Christian definitions of terms but did not agree with them. You, by contrast, do not know what they mean.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones No, I AM a professor of religion and philosophy. I am merely pointing out YOUR faulty reasoning, which is also why I suggested to you that you take an Intro course in logic.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 Hence,the notion of "spinning" that I employ.It is in memory of the "witches" as the spinsters were spinners.
Again you show your ignorance by making claims you could not possibly know.I am published, and have gone as far as Poland and Russia to present papers.You show your ignorance as to how epistemology and logic works. You are merely trying to use ad hominem to avoid the arguments and issues. A true sign of ignorance. Degree or no degree, arguments stand on their own.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote: "[Y]ou show your ignorance by making claims you could not possibly know.I am published, and have gone as far as Poland and Russia to present papers."
I don't believe you. Prove it. What is the name of the paper[s] and where was it [they] published? What schools in Poland and Russia.
Again - so there is no confusion. I believe you are lying and I, therefore, call you a liar. Prove me wrong.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Notice again, your use of ad hominem. It won't work. I want to know whether you agree with Mary Daly that the trinity "legitimates male mating," or, whether she is mistaken about the "basic term" trinity. In your ignorant ways, you want to avoid the argument, and just use ad hominem. You lack "scholarly character" and demonstrate your ignorance and lack of honesty.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote " [My] lack of 'scholarly character' ... demonstrates [my] ignorance and lack of honesty."
What are your credentials? What is your name? Which school has you on faculty?
To be clear: You are lying. You are not a professor or a scholar. Prove me wrong.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote: I want to know whether you agree with Mary Daly that the trinity "legitimates male mating," or, whether she is mistaken about the "basic term" trinity.
Your continued presentation of a false choice - which along with your straw men - further prove that you are not who you claim to be.
At the very least, it is ironic that you claim that I argue from fallacy when you (albeit unknowingly since you apparently don't know any better) do far worse.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Again, just a mere assertion, and no answer. A weak and meager general reply to the argument. If it is a false choice, provide the counter example, and give me a chance to respond. This is how a TRUE scholar does things. You have not shown my argument to be fallacious because you have not provided an alternative that gets you out of the dilemma. There might be many other choices, but if taking any one of them places you in an absurd position, then your argument has failed.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote yesterday: "I prefer a public debate."
And so do I. I accept your invitation. So where do I go?
To be clear: I expect that you will not provide a time, date, or location. The reason is because I think you are lying about who you claim to be.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones I will contact you in the proper fashion. In other words,I agree to meet and debate you in a public forum, but before we work out the details I prefer NOT to give you my name, my university, and so forth.Given your reasoning skills, you may not be worthy of such a debate, and just pretending to want to debate so that you can find out which university I am at in order to harass me.
You still have not provided a counter example that gets you out of the dilemma.I am waiting.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 You don't have to look to find me.
I don't see a need to give a counter example of anything. Perhaps I lost the question somewhere. In any event, my point is that, were you to ask this Daly if she could explain what Christians believe, she probably could.
You, by contrast, cannot. Until this began, you did not know terms such as Immaculate Conception and Hypostatic Union. You were not aware of the teaching of the Council of Ephesus or Chalcedon or what they meant.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Again, another ad hominem attack, and avoidance of the argument. Again, mere assertion. I knew all the terms in question, and you have not proved otherwise. In the first place, as pointed out several times, "some women have claimed immaculate conception" I did not say Mary had "THE Immaculate Conception." I further explained to you that I was using the term in the manner of "spinning." If I say that someone makes a claim about a term, that does not mean I agree with them.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Again, note your dilemma. Either you agree with her conclusion about the trinity, OR you must say she does not understand the "basic term"- trinity. If she does not understand, according to you, then she would not be a professor. But we have proof she was a professor, and retired as a professor before she died. This contradiction shows that your premise is false. Or, you agree with her, thereby agreeing with her claim that the trinity legitimates male mating. See the "spin?"
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 I see a lot of desperation from you. You are not who you say you are. I know it. You know. The other readers - if any - know it.
I don't agree with what you claim is her conclusion. But I haven't read her work (and neither have you). I can't say if she understands the term or not, although I'm confident that a professor could explain Christian theology of the trinity and then explain how their theory differs or is the same. Something you can't do.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem.
Her statement is clear and simple. Mary Daly stated that the trinity legitimates male mating.
Your feeble response is "you can't say if she understands the term or not"--my point exactly. And you don't know if I understood "The Immaculate Conception" or not in the same fashion as you claim to not know if Mary Daly misunderstands the "basic term" trinity. Worse yet, I did not use the basic term "The Immaculate Conception."
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones You said that "I have never read Mary Daly's work." Another mere assertion and ad hominem attack. How could you possibly know what I have read?? Another feeble attempt to avoid the arguments. Sad indeed...
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Nevertheless, here is a counter to your P1, not based on Mary Daly.
A professor of philosophy whose major field in philosophy is ethics.This professor makes an argument on a subject in the philosophy of science,misusing a "basic term" in the philosophy of science.This person misunderstands the basic terms, and misused it in the argument. However, this person is still a professor! Your P1 is false. See? I do not need to resort to ad hominem to show your argument is not sound.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 And now this additional argument:
1. Professors of philosophy would likely know the distinction between a being's "nature," and its "personhood."
2. Atheistprophet did not know the distinction between a being's nature and its personhood.
Therefore, Atheistprophet is not likely a professor of philosophy.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones You just illustrated that you do not even know what a basic argument is in deductive logic. Furthermore, you have not illustrated that I did not know the distinction between a beings nature and its personhood. YOU previously claimed that jesus was not a full person.That is a ridiculous claim for you to make given your position. A christian claim is that Jesus is fully human. I pointed out to you that if Jesus was fully human, then he would have the attributes of being-- tbc.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
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@atheistprophet5760 You wrote: "You just illustrated that you do not even know what a basic argument is in deductive logic."
You're wrong again. Look up the word syllogism. You'll even see a classic example:
All men are mortal.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@atheistprophet5760 You wrote: "YOU previously claimed that jesus was not a full person."
No, I didn't. Look again. I said - as the Council of Chalcedon did in the 400s, that Jesus is a divine person with a fully human nature and a fully divine nature.
It is a ridiculous claim? Well - that depends on faith. But my claim is the claim of the Christian Churches for two thousand years. Read some history.
josephroccojones 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Go back to page 8, you said "Thus, one of the points of the hypostatic union is that Jesus is NOT A HUMAN PERSON, but rather, is a Divine Person who assumed a human nature. Now, I took a photo of the page, because I thought you might delete it after I pointed out your error, and you finally came to the realization that I was right.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones Just like your other claim, this claim too shows that your ad hominem has no basis or foundation. Your P1 was false in your first attempt, and P2 was false in your second attempt. Your claim that I misunderstood "The Immaculate Conception" was false, as I did not say THE Immaculate Conception. I said some women CLAIM immaculate conception.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones As a scholar, I admitted my mistake, but it did not matter, because I had already posted another counter to your argument. Scholars are not afraid to make mistakes, and professors make mistakes too. Good scholars admit it and stay focused on the argument. You, however, resort to ad hominem, and only eventually, when prodded, attempt to save face by addressing the argument. I had to force you to finally "revise" it but you still did not admit you made a mistake.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones I have more to say, but it is dinner time. I have more to say about your post that I have not addressed yet.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones You also said on page 10:
"It is improper to refer to Jesus as "an immaculate conception" because of the hypostatic union. Jesus is a Divine Person (with two natures), not a human person."
Again, you said that Jesus is not a human person--YOU ASSERTED THIS AS A FACT! Why not just admit your mistake and apologize for your baseless ad hominem attack.
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago
@josephroccojones To be clear, you said:
"You're using words improperly. Now, ordinarily, I wouldn't care. But you are pretending to be an authority on the subject. And the deception is a real problem that could cause real danger.
It is improper to refer to Jesus as "an immaculate conception" because of the hypostatic union. Jesus is a Divine Person (with two natures), not a human person.
Now I, by contrast, am a human being. Thus, you could refer to me as a "conception." But not Jesus."
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@josephroccojones For clarity, you said:
"You're using words improperly. Now, ordinarily, I wouldn't care. But you are pretending to be an authority on the subject. And the deception is a real problem that could cause real danger.
It is improper to refer to Jesus as "an immaculate conception" because of the hypostatic union. Jesus is a Divine Person (with two natures), not a human person.
Now I, by contrast, am a human being. Thus, you could refer to me as a "conception." But not Jesus."
atheistprophet5760 1 year ago