@SinnFein4ever Yes, and they wouldn't even have to change their clientele (it seems like 'Christian' men railing against prostituion and homosexuailty often seek the services of female prostitues and male prostitutes, or are trying to 'get it on' in airport washrooms.)
@SinnFein4ever "Sinn Fein"? Isn't that a rather revolutionary Irish group? (I definitely think all of Ireland should be given back to the Republic, but I don't think a way of being taken seriously is bombing shopping centres or buses, or whatever.)
This makes me even more glad I am a democratic Mainline Protestant who values reason along with Scripture (of which said Scripture's New Testament calls for social justice: helping and feeding the poor and hungry, helping the oppressed, visiting the sick, etc. whcih seems quite liberal ;)...).
Quite honestly, let the Southern Baptists, the Pentecostals, the so-called "Church of Christ" members, and any other radical/fundamentalistic "Christian" groups fall. No big deal.
evangelicals have wrapped themselves in the flag of nationalism and culture war so much that the are becoming inseperable from them. The message is no longer about 'The Good News", but is about the accumulation of political power.
You don't have to be religious to be spiritual and believe in the connection between us all or even the ideals of peace and respect for your fellow man. In fact I see a hell of a lot more of that from the non religious than the religious!
When I was growing up in the '50s $ '60s Christianity reflected wholesome American values of justice, tolerance and compassion, but the rise of the Religious Right in the '70s, and its obsession with superstition, hatred of human sexuality, belligerant, ignorant close-mindedness and the values of the Old South made Christianity a repulsive thing to an increasing number of Americans. Evangelical fundamentalists are killing American Christianity.
Imagine for a moment how it feels to have a man such as Jesus being sacrificed in front of you and just for you. Now imagine that idea to be the most important thought you ever had. Then imagine it as something that you can relive again and again. Your whole being can be repeatedly transformed and given direction. Sacrificial love in the form of a slow, painful death of the beloved is the blueprint of the best and most significant relationship you can have.
@dmnemaine Oh don't worry, it's not my cult. I too think it all rather repulsive and sick. I was parodying it. But there again, you might believe it and think I'm going to burn in hellfire. Can you imagine heaven being the place where you can have a ringside seat and watch people tortured for eternity? It's not a lot better than the Islamic drunken whorehouse. All quite mad in my view.
@ritchloui, I agree. "Mad" is the correct word for it. Growing up in fundamentalist Christianity, comments like yours were just common, every day language to me. Since I've "deconverted", I hear people talk about the death of Christ, or the blood of Jesus, or whatever, and it sounds creepy and weird to me.
We are not at the end of another Great Awakening. The last Great Awakening ended around 1980 as baby boomers grew up and elected Ronald Reagan to the presidency. I can't wait for the evangelical collapse.
@gpietsch Exctly true! Once the last Great Awakening ended, the Thirty Years' Culture War started. This Culture War is about to end. What's happening now is either the final flameout of right-wing Evangelical reaction, or their final success. If it's the latter, we could go the way of Germany in the Great Depression and on the eve of World War 2.
I really do hope Evangelicalism collapses, but they are doing all they can to take over...have a look at Don McLeroy, Becky Fischer, at Jerry Falwell (RIH), at Randall Terry.
I don't understand; you say that you've long thought we're in the midst of a great awakening, and we may be at the end of that now. Are you saying we've had a great awakening and now it's over? I certainly haven't seen a great awakening.
Evangelical retards think they are God! God will punish these bastards as he thinks of them as taking him over! To you evangelical fuckers, God knows what you are up to and he hates you!
Evangelicals still support the notion Iraq had WMDs. The Evangelical support of a illegal Invasion, bombing of Gaza and now a possible attack on Iran is what has caused a decline of Evangelicalism in America. Not the Terry Schivo incident.
Millions of people protested against the war in Iraq, 11 million Catholics, Atheists, Muslims and Buddhists marched together against the war. It was unprecedented in human history.
Evangelicals are the ones who still support the war in Iraq.
Religion turns good people to do evil things. I too think we a in the beginning of a new phase in reason. At long last we are allowed to speak out and dismiss the myths of the bronze age. The power for social change is within us, it always has been. Lets turn to humanity to solve the ills and inequality of the world not a sky daddy. I want to be part of it and leave the end of days to a small delusion brainwashed minority.
Most evangelicals are evil fuckers for certain, but claiming that they have no problem murdering babies is pure hyperbole. Leave that to Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly.
To add onto this, I also think that the effect of the 9/11 terrorist attacks gave the American people an insight into the true dangers of unabated religious fanatacism. Movies like 'Jesus Camp' also demonstrated that our own culture harbors people just as fanatical and it is that realization that is changing our cultural demographic.
The internet is helping tremendously as well. Information is now freely available so pious blowhards in churches have a harder time keeping their flock ignorant.
Evangelicals ARE mean people. Think about it: Everybody says Muslims are cowards for claiming that bin Laden is a "bad Muslim" but won't broadcast this in the Muslim world. Why tell us this? Well, what Christians are going to the Westboro anti-gay Baptist curch to tell them to stop making Christians look like barbarians?
NONE!
Religions...every last one...are to blame for ignorance and hatred. Smarmy, self-absorbed narcissistic superstition. That's all they are.
I need to clarify. I don't believe all Christians or Evangelicals (Which I do not believe to be Christians by the way) are evil and mean. I believe that the reputation is well earned for Evnagelicals, who spread much hatred, and fear throughout America.
I think the Evangelical snake needs to have it's head cut off, so that it can die, and the people who are trapped by it, can be free, loving people, not bent on causing pain and suffering on people.
I don't agree with you on this one. I can understand why you say it... It reveals their cold-heartedness, but I think that what is really at the bottom of the turn away is America's wealth. When men do not have any sense of need they are not going to turn to God. I am a Christian, but I am not one of the right wing Sadducee's that have been parading around as 'True Believers' but in reality are only concerned with the status quo and their wallet. I never voted for Bush because he is a liar.
So good that this nasty cultist neo fascism is on the way out. We should be thinking about exposing some of their tactics and putting the leaders of these churches on trial, they have skewed elections with utter BS and bigotry. People should sue things like the creation museum for damaging their education also. Let's see these churches pay up big in class actions and trials for the abuse and harm they have done.
You warm my heart. Unfortunately it's so frost damaged that I can't believe any such justice will occur. Look at the main folks in the Bush cabinet that got out without punishment. Mother of God! I'm so freaked that I can't even feel as good as I want to about the new crew. I certainly want to.
Very interesting. The CS Monitor article is a good read. It's no surprise given the total arrogance and sheer stupidity of the propaganda produced by the evangelical movement. Anyone who confuses 'faith' with certainty should be challenged and defeated...GOOD RIDDANCE!
I am a conservative and I would love to see the politics and religion "un-hitched" because I believe that true conservative principles and ideas are just better that leftist ideas and have been proven so everytime they go head to head. The problem is that you have a section of soceity that has joined conservativism with religiious faith instead of using reason to get the vote through good ideas, recently Reppublicans basically are saying, "Vote for me, I'm a Christian" We need better ideas.
What I've always found interesting though is how hypocritical conservatives are though. Many conservatives constantly condemn liberals and leftists as being irresponsible, then conservatives turn around and do the exact same thing.
I also find it interesting how thr far right conservatives automatically assume that the non-religious (atheist/agnostic/unaffiliated) are leftists when in reality they fall into a plethora of different political philosophies, mostly libertarian.
When Palin PWNS Obambi and becomes POTUS in 2012, America WILL see evangelicalism rise to unheard of heights for America was, is and always will be a RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE NATION!
You're an idiot, America was founded as a secularist nation, hence the separation of church and state and the freedom of religion, you stupid mother fucker.
I genuinly wish you a painful death. anyone who would want Palin or ANY other right wing christian retard as leader deserves to die. Christianity is a fairytale grow up
A man once told me if you can't beat em join em. Shed the chains of your fairytale faith that only slows humanity progress and join the freethinking, logical people of the future.
I think the internet - which spreads memes at an almost viral rate (I love that word "meme" - invented by Dawkins in 1976) has had its role to play.
Time and again on every forum I've been on (including this one) - people are exposed to arguments that were once taboo against religion. I think it survived because it never got questioned.
Outspoken guys like Hitchens and Harris and the aforementioned (who sold out a 4000-seat hall in Oklahoma university last week) have done their bit.
2 All religion is in decline in most parts of the world
3 i think that the change has been slow and going on since the 70's. It has just been taking up speed lately due to activism by atheist/secular groups
The Iraq war has nothing to do with Christianity. It was a neoconservative idea which is a secular political ideology. Christian churches and evangelical christians were generally opposed to it. Geo. Bushes church was opposed to it.
Christianity has a history of defending tyrants not overthrowing them.
The beginning of the end of the Public party was the invasion of Iraq on false pretenses, and not the Shiavo cases as the video claims. Whether it did or didn't have anything to do with Christianity is not the question here.
I agree that they have allied themselves with political conservatism. The evangelicals are taking the Republican party down with them. I can't say I'm displeased with it either. lol
For more and more young people, American Christians look to be the ones holding back progress, not embracing it. Oh well, they had a nice long run, didn't they?
i think it is better education that is destroying churches. children are taught to think critically at earlier ages every generation. our culture is slowly waking up and realizing that it was founded by an uneducated group of people (by today's standards). we are outgrowing the myths that were widespread in that time.
We are more popular than Jesus right now. Christianity will vanish and shrink, I know I'll be proven right! -John Lennon 1966
Lennon4ever1 6 months ago
A toast to christianity's eventual demise!
ufjazzman97 8 months ago 2
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ProtoSteward 9 months ago
What ever will they do with all those 'megachurches'? I suppose they could put them to use as facilities they look like - gymnasiums...
shmuli9 11 months ago
@shmuli9
Well, the ones in Navada, could be rennovated, and turned into brothels.
;)
SinnFein4ever 11 months ago
@SinnFein4ever That would be hilarious!
shmuli9 10 months ago
@shmuli9
Finding new names for them wouldn't be that difficult...
How about "(fill-in-the-blank)'s Heavenly Whorehouse" ?
SinnFein4ever 10 months ago
@SinnFein4ever Yes, and they wouldn't even have to change their clientele (it seems like 'Christian' men railing against prostituion and homosexuailty often seek the services of female prostitues and male prostitutes, or are trying to 'get it on' in airport washrooms.)
shmuli9 10 months ago
@SinnFein4ever "Sinn Fein"? Isn't that a rather revolutionary Irish group? (I definitely think all of Ireland should be given back to the Republic, but I don't think a way of being taken seriously is bombing shopping centres or buses, or whatever.)
shmuli9 10 months ago
This makes me even more glad I am a democratic Mainline Protestant who values reason along with Scripture (of which said Scripture's New Testament calls for social justice: helping and feeding the poor and hungry, helping the oppressed, visiting the sick, etc. whcih seems quite liberal ;)...).
Quite honestly, let the Southern Baptists, the Pentecostals, the so-called "Church of Christ" members, and any other radical/fundamentalistic "Christian" groups fall. No big deal.
rjky1986 1 year ago
evangelicals have wrapped themselves in the flag of nationalism and culture war so much that the are becoming inseperable from them. The message is no longer about 'The Good News", but is about the accumulation of political power.
notfauxnooz 1 year ago
You don't have to be religious to be spiritual and believe in the connection between us all or even the ideals of peace and respect for your fellow man. In fact I see a hell of a lot more of that from the non religious than the religious!
ReMarkAbleMagic 1 year ago
When I was growing up in the '50s $ '60s Christianity reflected wholesome American values of justice, tolerance and compassion, but the rise of the Religious Right in the '70s, and its obsession with superstition, hatred of human sexuality, belligerant, ignorant close-mindedness and the values of the Old South made Christianity a repulsive thing to an increasing number of Americans. Evangelical fundamentalists are killing American Christianity.
luvdomus 1 year ago
Imagine for a moment how it feels to have a man such as Jesus being sacrificed in front of you and just for you. Now imagine that idea to be the most important thought you ever had. Then imagine it as something that you can relive again and again. Your whole being can be repeatedly transformed and given direction. Sacrificial love in the form of a slow, painful death of the beloved is the blueprint of the best and most significant relationship you can have.
ritchloui 1 year ago
@ritchloui, I think your cult of death is repulsive and sick.
dmnemaine 5 months ago
@dmnemaine Oh don't worry, it's not my cult. I too think it all rather repulsive and sick. I was parodying it. But there again, you might believe it and think I'm going to burn in hellfire. Can you imagine heaven being the place where you can have a ringside seat and watch people tortured for eternity? It's not a lot better than the Islamic drunken whorehouse. All quite mad in my view.
ritchloui 5 months ago
@ritchloui, I agree. "Mad" is the correct word for it. Growing up in fundamentalist Christianity, comments like yours were just common, every day language to me. Since I've "deconverted", I hear people talk about the death of Christ, or the blood of Jesus, or whatever, and it sounds creepy and weird to me.
dmnemaine 5 months ago
I sure hope he's right. I am fed up with fundie Christians and all their crap!
Bagkaa 1 year ago
Maybe the reason why the Church is collapsing is because people are realizing that it's full of shit!?
I dunno, it's just a theory...
TaffyAlpha 1 year ago
We are not at the end of another Great Awakening. The last Great Awakening ended around 1980 as baby boomers grew up and elected Ronald Reagan to the presidency. I can't wait for the evangelical collapse.
gpietsch 1 year ago 4
@gpietsch YEAH!!!
MercuryRis 1 year ago
@gpietsch Exctly true! Once the last Great Awakening ended, the Thirty Years' Culture War started. This Culture War is about to end. What's happening now is either the final flameout of right-wing Evangelical reaction, or their final success. If it's the latter, we could go the way of Germany in the Great Depression and on the eve of World War 2.
EdM021 1 year ago
I really do hope Evangelicalism collapses, but they are doing all they can to take over...have a look at Don McLeroy, Becky Fischer, at Jerry Falwell (RIH), at Randall Terry.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 2
these nutbags are and never werethe swing vote.
thegoochieguy 1 year ago
@thegoochieguy are NOT and never were.
sorry about that error
thegoochieguy 1 year ago
I don't understand; you say that you've long thought we're in the midst of a great awakening, and we may be at the end of that now. Are you saying we've had a great awakening and now it's over? I certainly haven't seen a great awakening.
Orsbore 1 year ago
Evangelical retards think they are God! God will punish these bastards as he thinks of them as taking him over! To you evangelical fuckers, God knows what you are up to and he hates you!
padude64 1 year ago
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katshiro 1 year ago
another ivory tower idiot
agnostaxian 2 years ago
"A consummation devoutly to be wished." Thank you Will Shakespeare.
Kailoa36 2 years ago
interesting
fallbread 2 years ago
Evangelicals still support the notion Iraq had WMDs. The Evangelical support of a illegal Invasion, bombing of Gaza and now a possible attack on Iran is what has caused a decline of Evangelicalism in America. Not the Terry Schivo incident.
Millions of people protested against the war in Iraq, 11 million Catholics, Atheists, Muslims and Buddhists marched together against the war. It was unprecedented in human history.
Evangelicals are the ones who still support the war in Iraq.
SirPranceALotable 2 years ago
Religion turns good people to do evil things. I too think we a in the beginning of a new phase in reason. At long last we are allowed to speak out and dismiss the myths of the bronze age. The power for social change is within us, it always has been. Lets turn to humanity to solve the ills and inequality of the world not a sky daddy. I want to be part of it and leave the end of days to a small delusion brainwashed minority.
factvfiction 2 years ago 5
most evangelicals are pro war evil fuckers. they have no problem with murdering non-christian babies.
zodeloni 2 years ago 32
Most evangelicals are evil fuckers for certain, but claiming that they have no problem murdering babies is pure hyperbole. Leave that to Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly.
HopeAndChangeMyAss 2 years ago
To add onto this, I also think that the effect of the 9/11 terrorist attacks gave the American people an insight into the true dangers of unabated religious fanatacism. Movies like 'Jesus Camp' also demonstrated that our own culture harbors people just as fanatical and it is that realization that is changing our cultural demographic.
The internet is helping tremendously as well. Information is now freely available so pious blowhards in churches have a harder time keeping their flock ignorant.
Diomedes01 2 years ago 7
I hope this is the begining of the moderates. The ones who care more about poverty than abortion or gay marrage.
colbertLOTR91 2 years ago 6
Woot! I can't wait for the Evangelical calapse!!! No...Seriously...Im not kidding. Please thumbs down me, but I think they are mean people.
Arkanix 2 years ago 51
Evangelicals ARE mean people. Think about it: Everybody says Muslims are cowards for claiming that bin Laden is a "bad Muslim" but won't broadcast this in the Muslim world. Why tell us this? Well, what Christians are going to the Westboro anti-gay Baptist curch to tell them to stop making Christians look like barbarians?
NONE!
Religions...every last one...are to blame for ignorance and hatred. Smarmy, self-absorbed narcissistic superstition. That's all they are.
HopeAndChangeMyAss 2 years ago 6
I need to clarify. I don't believe all Christians or Evangelicals (Which I do not believe to be Christians by the way) are evil and mean. I believe that the reputation is well earned for Evnagelicals, who spread much hatred, and fear throughout America.
I think the Evangelical snake needs to have it's head cut off, so that it can die, and the people who are trapped by it, can be free, loving people, not bent on causing pain and suffering on people.
Arkanix 2 years ago
Agreed. Presumably, you are referring to the Westboro Baptist Church and other hate-mongers like that. If so, your point is well made.
HopeAndChangeMyAss 2 years ago
Oh yes! Westboro Baptist nightmares who wreck lives. Phelps is a demon!
Benny Hin who is slime who takes advantage of the weak people.
Any man who ask for money from innocent people while he gets fatter off of beleiving people.
It's just down right evil.
Arkanix 2 years ago 3
I don't agree with you on this one. I can understand why you say it... It reveals their cold-heartedness, but I think that what is really at the bottom of the turn away is America's wealth. When men do not have any sense of need they are not going to turn to God. I am a Christian, but I am not one of the right wing Sadducee's that have been parading around as 'True Believers' but in reality are only concerned with the status quo and their wallet. I never voted for Bush because he is a liar.
lopezmt 2 years ago 2
good news!
artyfarty2 2 years ago
All people gay or straight must have respect for one another!
padude64 2 years ago
Neitzsche is smiling!
grodinvanbeethoven 2 years ago
im not so hopeful...these nutcases are just lying low for a bit...they'll be back...unfortunately
Balefan83 2 years ago
Get these religious retards out of my face before I pull out a can of whip ass!
padude64 2 years ago 2
Whip it out and do what need to be done. It can't happen quickly enough!
shunyotube 2 years ago 2
So good that this nasty cultist neo fascism is on the way out. We should be thinking about exposing some of their tactics and putting the leaders of these churches on trial, they have skewed elections with utter BS and bigotry. People should sue things like the creation museum for damaging their education also. Let's see these churches pay up big in class actions and trials for the abuse and harm they have done.
marsCubed 2 years ago
You warm my heart. Unfortunately it's so frost damaged that I can't believe any such justice will occur. Look at the main folks in the Bush cabinet that got out without punishment. Mother of God! I'm so freaked that I can't even feel as good as I want to about the new crew. I certainly want to.
shunyotube 2 years ago
Very interesting. The CS Monitor article is a good read. It's no surprise given the total arrogance and sheer stupidity of the propaganda produced by the evangelical movement. Anyone who confuses 'faith' with certainty should be challenged and defeated...GOOD RIDDANCE!
misko667 2 years ago
this cant happen soon enough...
crankycactus 2 years ago 3
I am a conservative and I would love to see the politics and religion "un-hitched" because I believe that true conservative principles and ideas are just better that leftist ideas and have been proven so everytime they go head to head. The problem is that you have a section of soceity that has joined conservativism with religiious faith instead of using reason to get the vote through good ideas, recently Reppublicans basically are saying, "Vote for me, I'm a Christian" We need better ideas.
soulshaker51 2 years ago
What I've always found interesting though is how hypocritical conservatives are though. Many conservatives constantly condemn liberals and leftists as being irresponsible, then conservatives turn around and do the exact same thing.
I also find it interesting how thr far right conservatives automatically assume that the non-religious (atheist/agnostic/unaffiliated) are leftists when in reality they fall into a plethora of different political philosophies, mostly libertarian.
CommanderSavage 2 years ago 2
The religion growing in America is Islam.
lkaa2 2 years ago
Hallelujah!
sniffysmooth 3 years ago
When Palin PWNS Obambi and becomes POTUS in 2012, America WILL see evangelicalism rise to unheard of heights for America was, is and always will be a RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE NATION!
ecwaufisxtreme 3 years ago
i say nay to that
rickpunisher 3 years ago 2
You're an idiot, America was founded as a secularist nation, hence the separation of church and state and the freedom of religion, you stupid mother fucker.
Evangelists are as evil as Hitler.
NoeLPZC 3 years ago 3
I genuinly wish you a painful death. anyone who would want Palin or ANY other right wing christian retard as leader deserves to die. Christianity is a fairytale grow up
AmishRiot 3 years ago 2
yeah!
chrismelen01 3 years ago
No its fictional. The word fairy isn´t mentioned in the Bible.
Best regards
Union of Fairy, section 5.
zzzbbb123456 2 years ago
A man once told me if you can't beat em join em. Shed the chains of your fairytale faith that only slows humanity progress and join the freethinking, logical people of the future.
chrismelen01 3 years ago
Who is Terry Shabow?
That s probably spelt totally wrong.
Bosco239 3 years ago
google terry schiavo
wubbadubdub 3 years ago
A woman who hit the media spotlight - they were debating whether to switch off her life support or not.
The fundies said no, that would be against their religion. I can't see what right they have to make that choice.
jazzx251 3 years ago
I think the internet - which spreads memes at an almost viral rate (I love that word "meme" - invented by Dawkins in 1976) has had its role to play.
Time and again on every forum I've been on (including this one) - people are exposed to arguments that were once taboo against religion. I think it survived because it never got questioned.
Outspoken guys like Hitchens and Harris and the aforementioned (who sold out a 4000-seat hall in Oklahoma university last week) have done their bit.
jazzx251 3 years ago
Yeah, and it pissed me off that I missed going to it. I mean, I can't believe there was little to no publicity about his presentation.
BoyintheMachine 3 years ago
1 Love the new format of short videos.
2 All religion is in decline in most parts of the world
3 i think that the change has been slow and going on since the 70's. It has just been taking up speed lately due to activism by atheist/secular groups
VoicesintheHead 3 years ago
The beginning of the end was Iraq
samuelmorrison 3 years ago
The Iraq war has nothing to do with Christianity. It was a neoconservative idea which is a secular political ideology. Christian churches and evangelical christians were generally opposed to it. Geo. Bushes church was opposed to it.
Christianity has a history of defending tyrants not overthrowing them.
charlesvan13 3 years ago
The beginning of the end of the Public party was the invasion of Iraq on false pretenses, and not the Shiavo cases as the video claims. Whether it did or didn't have anything to do with Christianity is not the question here.
samuelmorrison 3 years ago
Dude You need more subscribers, more people should be watching this.
peedpans 3 years ago
only 15% ? Religion sucks ... duh.
themadisondance 3 years ago
I agree that they have allied themselves with political conservatism. The evangelicals are taking the Republican party down with them. I can't say I'm displeased with it either. lol
AtheistRagdoll 3 years ago 4
For more and more young people, American Christians look to be the ones holding back progress, not embracing it. Oh well, they had a nice long run, didn't they?
Edella 3 years ago 2
Long, yes. Nice... NO.
amoxtlacatl 2 years ago
i think it is better education that is destroying churches. children are taught to think critically at earlier ages every generation. our culture is slowly waking up and realizing that it was founded by an uneducated group of people (by today's standards). we are outgrowing the myths that were widespread in that time.
greycloud24 3 years ago 5
Agreed greycloud24...
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 3 years ago
You make a great point, I agree
peedpans 3 years ago
I think it will be largely due to youths questing their up bring that will the biggest reason for a drop in religion overall.
TheAtheistPaladin 3 years ago 4