Really needed to say, clickers, flash-lights, whistles etc aren't cues; they're markers. A cue is an antecedent, something that precedes the desired behaviour e.g. "sit" is a cue, the click for the dug putting his or her behind on the floor while keeping his or her front end elevated (assuming the clicker has been "tuned in" so it is a secondary reinforcer) is simply to say "yes, that's what I want and because you're doing it and you're awesome you're getting a primary reinforcer" :)
@PawsitivelyTraining Maybe you misunderstood, a variable pitch whistle is never used as a marker (at least not in herding or treibball), I do use marker words occasionally (not often, because markers don't work very well in herding IMHO) and clickers in treibball, so I do understand what a marker is. However, the variable pitch whistle is used to give commands when use of your voice is either not ideal or impossible. So it is a cue. Hope that clarifies the use of the whistle in herding :D.
@halfmoonssky My mistake, I was quoting from your video & didn't mean to include the "whistles" part.
I know variable pitch whistles are used to give cues & would be a bad choice of marker; but your comment made it sound like clickers & flash-lights are used to give cues, which (barring the overall cue of "hey, it's time to have some fun" before giving verbal/physical cues) is almost impossible :D
@Solstisol Actually a lot of old school Irish/Scottish shepherds use there fingers to whistle like that. Most of us don't like using fingers while working stock because our hands are so dirty :D
Absolutely the BEST instructions! I've had one of these for months and the printed instructions won't get you using the whistle. You revealed the secret which is your tongue must divide your mouth cavity in half horizontally.
Extremely useful thanks very much for posting these videos mate! I just got my acme whistle this morning (plastic one) and it didnt have any instructions at all and its impossible to get any noise out of it, however within 20 seconds of watching you demonstrating I was already making high and low noises. Thanks so much :)
Thanks for the info, Michael! Really enjoyed the intro to Treibball you did at Penny's last night. Very cool...I think this is going to be THE next wonderful sport for dogs and their owners!
Have you tried any other whistles? I'm not sure about the metal or brass in my mouth. I found some that are coriander and wonder if you or anyone you know have tried them.
@melmeche on the website i gave they also have the plastic ones, which are by far the cheapest and most common. I suggest learning on one of those and then switching to a higher quality one. I haven't personally tried a coriander one, The metal ones are much harder to use and shriller so i know a lot of trainers who don't like them.
Thanks for the first tutorial about the whistle. At what point in Triebball did you start using the whistle? My only comment is that it might be easier for us and you if you stand still. I really appreciate the info and also wanted to know where you order the kind you have. Thanks
@melmeche A Link to where i got my whistle is in the description. Ill try not to move for my next video, its just a nervous habit :D. I started using a whistle a few days into learning treibball. I feel that if your going to use the whistle, you might as well use it from day one. There isnt as much of a reason to transition like there is in sheep herding.
Really needed to say, clickers, flash-lights, whistles etc aren't cues; they're markers. A cue is an antecedent, something that precedes the desired behaviour e.g. "sit" is a cue, the click for the dug putting his or her behind on the floor while keeping his or her front end elevated (assuming the clicker has been "tuned in" so it is a secondary reinforcer) is simply to say "yes, that's what I want and because you're doing it and you're awesome you're getting a primary reinforcer" :)
PawsitivelyTraining 1 week ago
@PawsitivelyTraining Maybe you misunderstood, a variable pitch whistle is never used as a marker (at least not in herding or treibball), I do use marker words occasionally (not often, because markers don't work very well in herding IMHO) and clickers in treibball, so I do understand what a marker is. However, the variable pitch whistle is used to give commands when use of your voice is either not ideal or impossible. So it is a cue. Hope that clarifies the use of the whistle in herding :D.
halfmoonssky 1 week ago
@halfmoonssky My mistake, I was quoting from your video & didn't mean to include the "whistles" part.
I know variable pitch whistles are used to give cues & would be a bad choice of marker; but your comment made it sound like clickers & flash-lights are used to give cues, which (barring the overall cue of "hey, it's time to have some fun" before giving verbal/physical cues) is almost impossible :D
PawsitivelyTraining 1 week ago
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PawsitivelyTraining 1 week ago
Tenerife,
Spain,
Africa.
'Nice vid.
Hey, would our Spanish articulated finger-whistling (that you can see on my last couple of videos on Youtube) be as good as that whistle?
Solstisol 4 weeks ago
@Solstisol Actually a lot of old school Irish/Scottish shepherds use there fingers to whistle like that. Most of us don't like using fingers while working stock because our hands are so dirty :D
readysitgo 4 weeks ago
@Solstisol Btw, loved the video
readysitgo 4 weeks ago
Really helpful. Cheers bro!!
crash2052 1 month ago
@crash2052 Thanks!
readysitgo 4 weeks ago
Absolutely the BEST instructions! I've had one of these for months and the printed instructions won't get you using the whistle. You revealed the secret which is your tongue must divide your mouth cavity in half horizontally.
jppaynesr 2 months ago
@jppaynesr Glad I could help
halfmoonssky 1 month ago
Extremely useful thanks very much for posting these videos mate! I just got my acme whistle this morning (plastic one) and it didnt have any instructions at all and its impossible to get any noise out of it, however within 20 seconds of watching you demonstrating I was already making high and low noises. Thanks so much :)
Falandorn 2 months ago
@Falandorn awesome! glad you found this usefull
halfmoonssky 1 month ago
Thanks for the info, Michael! Really enjoyed the intro to Treibball you did at Penny's last night. Very cool...I think this is going to be THE next wonderful sport for dogs and their owners!
withtheloveofadog 7 months ago
@withtheloveofadog glad you enjoyed it, hopefully we will have competitions coming up soon!
halfmoonssky 1 month ago
I was watching your video and Melvin kept cocking his head back and forth with his big ears standing fully erect. Too funny.
ksnla 7 months ago
@ksnla melvins so cute
halfmoonssky 1 month ago
Have you tried any other whistles? I'm not sure about the metal or brass in my mouth. I found some that are coriander and wonder if you or anyone you know have tried them.
melmeche 7 months ago
@melmeche on the website i gave they also have the plastic ones, which are by far the cheapest and most common. I suggest learning on one of those and then switching to a higher quality one. I haven't personally tried a coriander one, The metal ones are much harder to use and shriller so i know a lot of trainers who don't like them.
halfmoonssky 7 months ago
Hey Mike,
Thanks for the first tutorial about the whistle. At what point in Triebball did you start using the whistle? My only comment is that it might be easier for us and you if you stand still. I really appreciate the info and also wanted to know where you order the kind you have. Thanks
melmeche 8 months ago
@melmeche A Link to where i got my whistle is in the description. Ill try not to move for my next video, its just a nervous habit :D. I started using a whistle a few days into learning treibball. I feel that if your going to use the whistle, you might as well use it from day one. There isnt as much of a reason to transition like there is in sheep herding.
Michael
halfmoonssky 8 months ago
Star Wars! Great song
ericatronic 8 months ago
@ericatronic gotta love it
halfmoonssky 1 month ago