why the rush to conclude that this is proof of dark matter? couldnt it just be a distortion of spacetime due to large scale effects of the known forces. also looking back in time things might appear differently than expected.
@Baronstone "thats not dark matter, its a darn black hole."
The mass distribution is completely wrong for that. This is what? The 10th time I've had to point that out here? There is a substantial difference in the signature of that amount of mass distributed over the volume of a galaxy & that much mass concentrated at a point. 76 yrs of data & independent lines of reasoning forced scientists to recognize DM. But today we have armchair DM deniers who seem to have missed the history.
Just to say that in the case of the orbit of a planet around the sun almost all the mass of the SS is in the sun so the theorem in fact applies.\
And I found it! watch?v=ERjkSbdn6-4 at 44:00. It's Newton's theorem.
Another thing I was thinking about is that if you use a stick to measure the galaxy, when space expands the stick expands too so does the galaxy get bigger measured with that stick?
Anyways sbergman27 I think we should conclude that we don't know.
I guess this theorem is valid for symetrical objects, like a disk of matter. However, as you say galaxies are not completely symetrical. Also gravitation travels at finite speed (light speed) apparently so it might have an effect on the validity of the theorem in that case.
Honestly I don't know, but I am not quite sure that you can infer the mass of the galaxy from just our sun.
For other galaxies sometimes they can use gravitational lensing to determine the mass but with our galaxy we can't.
Keep up with your broadcasts I love hearing what you have to say. Nerds are the best! I am attempting to get going with amateur astronomy having purchased a Nexstar6. Great fun!
"It has gravity and that gravity bends light that travels through any dark matter that might be present. When it does that we have it. It is betrayed." -- I love that line XD That and the TNG reference are awesome.
@JamezGotSwag The sad thing is that in nowadays, someone who actually cares about something greater than him/herself is called a 'nerd'. You are 'normal' if you just doesn't care or isn't interested in Science etc. It's kinda sick. :/
I was watching your video's with my headphones, and the video's audio is louder on the right, after awhile it got to my head so i switched to my speakers. then my girlfriend heard and she too became addicted to your video's :P. love your video's thx!
One thing that should probably be made clear is that there is nothing particularly special about this dwarf galaxy other than its fortuitous alignment with the more distant light source when viewed from Earth. Baryonic matter makes up 4% of the matter in the universe. DM makes up 29%. DM out-masses baryonic matter by over 7 times. Most or all galaxies are "Dark Matter" galaxies. Including our own Milkyway.
@o00Tigger00o Because the mass is distributed over too wide an area? Because even the largest supermassive black holes thought to exist would be orders of magnitude too small to account for the effect? Because black holes, despite their name, aren't really black, but emit gamma radiation which we could detect? If positing that it may not be DM, why immediately think of a BH, & not some other form of MACHO?
tip from a sound engineer - convert your sound in the vids to mono. having it in stereo like this, makes it sound like you're far to the right of the video. if you dont know how to do it, Google is your friend /new spacefan
sometimes we atribute objects like the one you described in 01:27 to dark matter, but couldn't phoenomena like this happen due to super-massive lone, dark black holes?
wouldnt this make sense when describing bservations like that one?
@StraussBR No. The mass distribution is completely different. DM represents a huge mass distributed over a huge area. Even supermassive BH's aren't all that massive compared to a galaxy. & they are point sources of strong local gravitational fields. It would look different. Plus, all the data regarding structure formation & galactic rotation points to 1 conclusion: Most of the mass in our observable universe is distributed diffusely in halos of something that doesn't interact via EM.
Regarding dark matter, one thing that is weird is that space expands BETWEEN galaxies, not inside. Could dark energy be a side effect of this? For instance could dark energy sort of push on the exterior of the galaxies, and curve space more on their outer "shell"?
@Battery9876 No. That's just basic General Relativity & is well understood. It's also widely misunderstood. In fact space is expanding in your living room @ the same geometric rate as between galaxy clusters. Objects bound by forces (like our galaxy or solar system) don't expand with the space they are in since gravity is strong enough to compensate. YT search for 'casseopeia expanding universe' to find "The Expanding Universe". It explains it well. casseopeia expanding universe
@sbergman27 Well, I am still a bit confused. From what I understand there are 2 lines of thinking here: one , which is what you say and what is described in the video "The Expanding Universe" which is that indeed gravity is strong enough to compensate. The other is that the expansion of space is completely transparent, gravity is a force in 1 over d squared and that's it, that's what Sean Carroll says in the video watch?v=vUNtO2r_-eo at 26:00.
@Battery9876 However, from what understand, space is a medium that can be curved. The theory of general relativity says that matter can curve it. But I imagine that if new space is created it will also change its shape.
If that's correct, the stars at the periphery of galaxies will feel the expansion inside the galaxy and it will have the effect counter gravity to some extent . The result is that gravity will be weaker and that a lower speed will be required to stay in orbit around the center.
@Battery9876 The magnitude of the effect of the expansion of space would be roughly proportional to the distance from the center of the galaxy. This could explain the discrepancy with Kepler's laws as we get further from the center.
Also, if this is correct, it could explain why the first galaxies were small. They were small because the expansion of space was very fast, and everything was spreading apart. Later the expansion slowed and large galaxies could form by coalescence of smaller ones.
@Battery9876 This being said, I know that astronomers have probably good reasons to think that dark matter exists. I probably misunderstood something somewhere.
@Battery9876 I've never been quite sure what Carroll was saying there. The issue is highly confused by his inclusion of a black hole, a region of space cut off by its schwarchild radius. The Earth's orbital distance *is* very slightly larger than it would be without expansion. But immeasurably so. In fact, the space in your living room is expanding by ~10% per billion yrs. But the EM bonds of the matter in the room hold the distance between the sofa and coffee table (almost) fixed.
@sbergman27 To tell you the truth I listened to Carroll's explanation many times and I am still not to sure I understand.
Btw I made a mistake in my previous posts,the stars at the periphery of galaxies move too fast not too slow that's why they need dark matter!!
If the expansion really has an effect,this makes me wonder if galaxies wouldn't change in size when the rate of expansion of space changes.The effect of the expansion is very small at our scale but it might be large for a galaxy.mmh.
@Battery9876 Grab a pencil & napkin & let's check. :-) The expansion rate, known as the Hubble constant, is around 70 km/sec/megaparsec. Our galaxy is ~30000 parsecs across, or ~0.03 megaparsecs. 70km/s/mPa * 0.03 mPa = ~2 km/s.
For comparison, the escape velocity of our galaxy is ~1000km/s. Gravity is acting to offset the 2km/s expansion between opposite ends of our galaxy. Based on that how much larger would you guesstimate our galaxy is due to spatial expansion? Is it expanding?
@sbergman27 From what I've read we don't know for sure the escape velocity of the galaxy. John Matters on that: watch?v=H6nP8m4QRUA. Also I have found another research paper from NASA which says 525km/s.
Also I think I would use the radius of the galaxy, not the diameter, so that would be 1km/sec, not 2.
In any case, ve=sqrt(2GMR/r) so r=2GMR/ve^2. Using your numbers, a change by a factor of 1.002 of ve would translate to a change of 0.4% of r.
In the early universe it might have been different.
@Battery9876 Vₑ depends on starting position. ~500km/s is from Sol. 1000km/s is from the GC. I really should have used Vₑ from the edge, ~50,000ly out: ~400km/s. But the point is that local gravity swamps spatial expansion.
That said, we know from observation that Sol orbits the MW's mass center with a period (P) of ~200m yrs @ a distance (A) of ~1.7E9 AU. M=A³/P². So galactic mass is ~120E9 solar masses. Not sure why anyone would say we don't know the mass of our galaxy.
@sbergman27 I think there's a theorem - Gauss theorem? - check Susskind's cosmology lectures it's explained somewhere - which says that the gravitationnal effect of everything outside your orbit cancels out. If you use the speed of the sun around the center you will only find the mass within its orbit.
Also there may be a lot of DM outside the "luminous matter of the galaxy". According to the theorem you can't feel it. So you can't really know the mass of the galaxy and its escape velocity.
@Battery9876 "which says that the gravitationnal effect of everything outside your orbit cancels out."
That works for idealized charged spherical shells. The matter outside Sol's orbit is not a spherical shell. It's a disk. When Earth's orbit about the sun takes it slightly closer to the galactic center than is the Sun, does the Sun's gravity suddenly get cancelled out and not matter any more? Of course not!
Honest the riddle of dark matter is weird... it's hard to spot even exoplanets... whatever is not a star is mostly not visible, why dark matter should be something new and unknown then?
0:28 It gives me pause to hear things like "Dark matter doesn't interact with us in any way". It most certainly does. Gravitationally. & that's a perfectly valid way of interacting or detecting something. It's that sort of EM-chauvinism that has many laymen thinking that DM is just made up to fix a broken cosmology. We never had any right to assume that all particles with mass should also interact via EM, strong, or weak forces. DM should not be all that surprising. My bet's on the neutralino.
@MarkArandjus Well, after the computer told her that the Universe was a spherical region 1000 meters in diameter, it didn't take an Einstein to spot that there was a problem. ;-)
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Very interesting as always, you should have your own TV show or at least be invited to news programs on a regular basis. Your videos are highly appreciated.
I guess dark matter is invisible in every way but doesn't it have to have mass to have a gravitational effect on light? If it has mass wouldn't be able to interact with it physically? I'm still trying to fully grasp our understanding of dark matter.
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I'd love to know how dark matter has gravity without "normal" properties. I saw the "bullet image" that was captured showing dark matter passing through matter, amazing
@tdarnell Yeah 'dark matter' is really just a placeholder term. The truth is, scientists don't know what it is, but some unseen 'matter' has to account for the extra gravity that is detected. We just don't know what it is yet.
@JadeChaos There are 4 basic forces. Electromagnetism, Strong, Weak, & Gravity. Everything is affected by G (both mass & energy) because G is the very geometry of space-time. Protons/Quarks participate in all 4 forces. Electrons participate only in G & EM. Neutrinos only participate in G & W. Dark Matter participates in gravity. Does not participate in EM or S. And may or may not participate in W. If so, it's like a neutrino, but heavier. In this context, is it really *so* mysterious?
ok i have a question i hope someone here can answer. Why do scientist think there is no already existing antimatter in the universe, and the only way to study it is by creating it. I watched a show on the science channel saying that one possibility was that the universe and an antiverse collided but somehow the universe was able to produce more matter? How is that possible, and why wouldn't and antiverse have the same amount of matter. The part about it not occurring naturally is from my teacher
@cjw1010 the reason we cant see smell or touch dark matter is because were made of the opposite type of matter, basically its like a mirror trying to see itself in a another mirror, i hoped it helped but you will be better off doing some research, its quite hard to explain this in a youtube comment.
@TheHemsworthboy No, it's not that we're made of the opposite type of matter. I think you're thinking of antimatter, which is different from dark matter. We don't know what dark matter is made of, but it's probably just electrically neutral matter, like free neutrons. We can't interact with it because it doesn't absorb photons, nor is it repulsed by the electrons in our atoms; it has to hit an atomic nuclei to effect normal matter, which is very unlikely.
@cjw1010 When antimatter collides with normal matter, the two destroy each other, converting into pure energy. If there was a lot of antimatter in the universe, we should be able to see it colliding with normal matter, but we don't.
Theoretically, matter and antimatter both should form naturally from energy in roughly equal quantities, so our universe should have equal amounts. Scientists don't know why our universe is so matter-heavy.
@Hooya2 I understand they destroy each other completely and make pure energy, but in (i think) the first season of through the wormhole they talked about when our universe was small it had a mirror image of a anti matter universe and they collided and somehow our universe produced more matter, and what we have in our universe is whats left over. I dont understand how our universe managed to produce more, is there an unequal ratio im forgetting?
@Hooya2 Also could it be that what i said about the earlier universe and its anti version didn't happen yet and thats why we dont see and anti matter? One last question sorry im just really curious. How would anti matter come into existence? Or is that not known?
Hi Tony. Just wanted to say that I've been watching these vids you put make for a few months now but haven't said thanks... so a big thanks from me! I look forward to and enjoy every episode. Keep 'em comin' buddy :)
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This is great stuff. The world needs more smart, talented, articulate people like yourself who can educate the masses about the wonderful nature of our universe.
You, guy, is what I enjoy watching. I'm really happy I subbed to your channel before you started with the spacefan news! Love this stuff more than black holes!
@Melee2Kil From my understanding, the only evidence for "dark matter" is the angular velocity of the outer edges of galaxies. It seems like a huge assumption to say that it is some kind of mysterious, invisible, untouchable, and completely undetectable mystical substance that is all over the universe without any scientific theory behind it.
I'm just wondering if, with all the new understanding of exoplanets, dark matter could just be exoplanets, or dim stars. Or even small black holes.
@supergsx: That was just the first clue. Gravitational lensing and models of galaxy collisions only work in some (now many more observed) places we've observed. Most galaxies show differences. Also, gamma ray light from some really distant places are oddly delayed - spread out in a manner consistant with different arrival times depending on the energy (frequency) from the same events. Dark matter is truly ubiquitous. Some speculate it may fill the universe.
@supergsx The evidence is overwhelming. The acoustic oscillations visible in the WMAP data clearly indicate DM. Exoplanet mass is orders of orders of magnitude too small to account. MACHOs exist, but clearly can't account. Consider that DM represents over 7x the "normal" mass in our Universe. We had no basis for assuming that every massive particle must interact via EM. In absence of evidence it made sense not to hypothesize any. But denying our current data would be unscientific.
@sbergman27 I'm not denying the current data, nor am I denying the current (widely accepted) hypothesis of what is causing the effects of dark matter, or what dark matter is. It just seems to me that some scientists may be a bit attached to this idea that dark matter is an undetectable substance permeating the whole universe when we don't know that yet, and that ALL unaccounted mass is caused by dark matter, when a lot of it is probably caused by MACHOs. There just needs to be more science.
Teach the controversy? Even the MACHO researchers, by & large admit that MACHOS can't come close to accounting for the mass. Even the scientists working on MOND theories admit that DM is necessary in addition to MOND. And this is based upon the hard data.
Saying DM's existence needs more science is like saying more research needs to be done before we discount creationism because we just don't know at this point. It's an absurd position.
@sbergman27 This is no longer an argument. You understand what I'm saying, and I understand what you're saying, so let's stop playing this dumb game.
PS: If DM's existence is so certain, then I wish the scientific journalism community would give just a bit more information about it. We're all in the dark here.
PPS: I wasn't talking about DM when I said "there just needs to be more science." No scientist would ever disagree with that sentence. There ALWAYS needs to be more science.
I see so many correlations between the universe and cytology/biology, I see the universe as one big "Cosmic-Cell" and everything within this Cosmic-Cell(stars, black holes, matter, dark matter) are just "Cosmic-Organelles" responsible for the cosmic-cell's function. When I look at the baby picture of the universe I see cell division(Anaphase); Big Divide instead? We are the stuff of stars, the stars are the stuff of the universe; maybe the universe's nature is not so different from our own?
Great Video Tony! It seem to be a trend of some sort... everything we can't put math on it HAS to be dark matter. Like we are understanding everything and are only missing dark matter.
@tdarnell I don't understand. when we look into the "distant" universe, are we really only looking into the distant past? since light from that distance takes so long to reach us, isn't it impossible to have an accurate understanding of what's actually out there? & only what 'was' there once?? I'm confused...
Astronomy had only a very passing interest for me before. Since I've subbed to this channel the amount of and interest in information about what could be best described as the real big picture,has grown exponentially.We are the universe looking at itself..Awesome...and not like "this is a awesome hot dog" more like"Holy shit the reality of this is making me dizzy" -AWESOME
Arent dwarf galaxies usually revolving around larger galaxies?, and doesnt that mean that the darkmatter from the greater galaxy extending to the dwarf galaxy is causing the bending , and not the gravity from the dwarf galaxy? wont make any difference but just curious.
@lucabaracuda987 Thank you. I'm getting into a groove with these now: start with a script, practice a couple of times, film it, import into Final Cut, edit out the crap, save some bloopers, add supporting graphics/screenshots/animations.
If I start after work around 6:30, I can usually upload around midnight. Last week during the AAS I switched from iMovie to Final Cut and the learning curve there kinda killed me, but I'm past the worst of that now.
@tdarnell hey T just had a bunch load of beers and a bottle of Gin cause its Australia Day and wanted to drop in to give you a friendly /hug. So don't ask me why I'm doing it. I just feel like it :)
@Gibranmacias911 I'd say anyone who thinks that is irrational, and operating on blind faith. I don't see any evidence that there are other universes. However, if there is evidence, please, enlighten me.
I matter and I'm not dark at all.
HuskerSeaofRed 6 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I think there is no dark matter. Video in my profile.
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why the rush to conclude that this is proof of dark matter? couldnt it just be a distortion of spacetime due to large scale effects of the known forces. also looking back in time things might appear differently than expected.
1robon 2 weeks ago
Yeah a galaxy thats 120 million solar masses and invisible? Thats not dark matter, its a darn black hole.
Baronstone 3 weeks ago
@Baronstone "thats not dark matter, its a darn black hole."
The mass distribution is completely wrong for that. This is what? The 10th time I've had to point that out here? There is a substantial difference in the signature of that amount of mass distributed over the volume of a galaxy & that much mass concentrated at a point. 76 yrs of data & independent lines of reasoning forced scientists to recognize DM. But today we have armchair DM deniers who seem to have missed the history.
sbergman27 1 week ago
Just to say that in the case of the orbit of a planet around the sun almost all the mass of the SS is in the sun so the theorem in fact applies.\
And I found it! watch?v=ERjkSbdn6-4 at 44:00. It's Newton's theorem.
Another thing I was thinking about is that if you use a stick to measure the galaxy, when space expands the stick expands too so does the galaxy get bigger measured with that stick?
Anyways sbergman27 I think we should conclude that we don't know.
Battery9876 3 weeks ago
I guess this theorem is valid for symetrical objects, like a disk of matter. However, as you say galaxies are not completely symetrical. Also gravitation travels at finite speed (light speed) apparently so it might have an effect on the validity of the theorem in that case.
Honestly I don't know, but I am not quite sure that you can infer the mass of the galaxy from just our sun.
For other galaxies sometimes they can use gravitational lensing to determine the mass but with our galaxy we can't.
Battery9876 3 weeks ago
Keep up with your broadcasts I love hearing what you have to say. Nerds are the best! I am attempting to get going with amateur astronomy having purchased a Nexstar6. Great fun!
Murphis55 3 weeks ago
"It has gravity and that gravity bends light that travels through any dark matter that might be present. When it does that we have it. It is betrayed." -- I love that line XD That and the TNG reference are awesome.
Nekobe24 4 weeks ago
Feel like a nerd watching this but who gives AF, It's so interesting!!! You sir have a new sub:)
JamezGotSwag 1 month ago
@JamezGotSwag The sad thing is that in nowadays, someone who actually cares about something greater than him/herself is called a 'nerd'. You are 'normal' if you just doesn't care or isn't interested in Science etc. It's kinda sick. :/
TheisticThinker 4 weeks ago
I was watching your video's with my headphones, and the video's audio is louder on the right, after awhile it got to my head so i switched to my speakers. then my girlfriend heard and she too became addicted to your video's :P. love your video's thx!
Lukederpa802 1 month ago
One thing that should probably be made clear is that there is nothing particularly special about this dwarf galaxy other than its fortuitous alignment with the more distant light source when viewed from Earth. Baryonic matter makes up 4% of the matter in the universe. DM makes up 29%. DM out-masses baryonic matter by over 7 times. Most or all galaxies are "Dark Matter" galaxies. Including our own Milkyway.
sbergman27 1 month ago
Yeah why can't it be a black hole?
o00Tigger00o 1 month ago
@o00Tigger00o Because the mass is distributed over too wide an area? Because even the largest supermassive black holes thought to exist would be orders of magnitude too small to account for the effect? Because black holes, despite their name, aren't really black, but emit gamma radiation which we could detect? If positing that it may not be DM, why immediately think of a BH, & not some other form of MACHO?
sbergman27 1 month ago
I'm confused about the dark matter galaxy. Couldn't it be a black hole?
aleksandarrodic 1 month ago
The bloopers at the end made me laugh this time :D
MsWhitekanna 1 month ago
So hard to not press the like button
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Barnicalsify 1 month ago
tip from a sound engineer - convert your sound in the vids to mono. having it in stereo like this, makes it sound like you're far to the right of the video. if you dont know how to do it, Google is your friend /new spacefan
MrPlatonist 1 month ago
LOL am more of a star wars fan (c= and firefly. Star Trek is good too though.
SomedaysDreamersBC 1 month ago
6:21...but that doesnt mean we cant find-HUU! HUU!!
6:24 HIGH PITCH! ...but that doesnt mean we cant find HUU! HUU HAA HAA HA HA HA!!!
6:28 ... and that ring... "EPIC SCRATCH" HU!
6:30 ... "DOG SCRATCH" erhm!
6:33 ...witch is much farther away... "BRAIN FART" from the dwarf galaxy witch is closer...
EPIC VIDEO MAN LOVE THE INFO AN HUMOR!!!!
chrunks101 1 month ago
Tony please help me understand this if you can
sometimes we atribute objects like the one you described in 01:27 to dark matter, but couldn't phoenomena like this happen due to super-massive lone, dark black holes?
wouldnt this make sense when describing bservations like that one?
StraussBR 1 month ago
@StraussBR No. The mass distribution is completely different. DM represents a huge mass distributed over a huge area. Even supermassive BH's aren't all that massive compared to a galaxy. & they are point sources of strong local gravitational fields. It would look different. Plus, all the data regarding structure formation & galactic rotation points to 1 conclusion: Most of the mass in our observable universe is distributed diffusely in halos of something that doesn't interact via EM.
sbergman27 1 month ago
@sbergman27
very interesting, thanks for clarifiying
StraussBR 1 month ago
This is the first time I've seen his face and before then I always imagined him with a goatee. I was right!
LongDriveChamp03 1 month ago
So... that was "Wesley's Bubble" that you saw, uh? Me too...
IAMoraes 1 month ago
why don't you have a real tv show?
PlateauEast 1 month ago
@PlateauEast Co signed.. I'd watch it...
SomedaysDreamersBC 1 month ago
I love that you put outtakes at the end. :)
pragma1700 1 month ago
Great super video as always. You're on of the best on YouTube. Greetings from Sweden
kent6608 1 month ago
did u usede to be an astronomer
lmac7633 1 month ago
thank you for improving the sound quality!!!
HCLivess 1 month ago
Regarding dark matter, one thing that is weird is that space expands BETWEEN galaxies, not inside. Could dark energy be a side effect of this? For instance could dark energy sort of push on the exterior of the galaxies, and curve space more on their outer "shell"?
Battery9876 1 month ago
@Battery9876 No. That's just basic General Relativity & is well understood. It's also widely misunderstood. In fact space is expanding in your living room @ the same geometric rate as between galaxy clusters. Objects bound by forces (like our galaxy or solar system) don't expand with the space they are in since gravity is strong enough to compensate. YT search for 'casseopeia expanding universe' to find "The Expanding Universe". It explains it well. casseopeia expanding universe
sbergman27 1 month ago
@sbergman27 Well, I am still a bit confused. From what I understand there are 2 lines of thinking here: one , which is what you say and what is described in the video "The Expanding Universe" which is that indeed gravity is strong enough to compensate. The other is that the expansion of space is completely transparent, gravity is a force in 1 over d squared and that's it, that's what Sean Carroll says in the video watch?v=vUNtO2r_-eo at 26:00.
Battery9876 1 month ago
@Battery9876 However, from what understand, space is a medium that can be curved. The theory of general relativity says that matter can curve it. But I imagine that if new space is created it will also change its shape.
If that's correct, the stars at the periphery of galaxies will feel the expansion inside the galaxy and it will have the effect counter gravity to some extent . The result is that gravity will be weaker and that a lower speed will be required to stay in orbit around the center.
Battery9876 1 month ago
@Battery9876 The magnitude of the effect of the expansion of space would be roughly proportional to the distance from the center of the galaxy. This could explain the discrepancy with Kepler's laws as we get further from the center.
Also, if this is correct, it could explain why the first galaxies were small. They were small because the expansion of space was very fast, and everything was spreading apart. Later the expansion slowed and large galaxies could form by coalescence of smaller ones.
Battery9876 1 month ago
@Battery9876 This being said, I know that astronomers have probably good reasons to think that dark matter exists. I probably misunderstood something somewhere.
Battery9876 1 month ago
@Battery9876 I've never been quite sure what Carroll was saying there. The issue is highly confused by his inclusion of a black hole, a region of space cut off by its schwarchild radius. The Earth's orbital distance *is* very slightly larger than it would be without expansion. But immeasurably so. In fact, the space in your living room is expanding by ~10% per billion yrs. But the EM bonds of the matter in the room hold the distance between the sofa and coffee table (almost) fixed.
sbergman27 1 month ago
@sbergman27 To tell you the truth I listened to Carroll's explanation many times and I am still not to sure I understand.
Btw I made a mistake in my previous posts,the stars at the periphery of galaxies move too fast not too slow that's why they need dark matter!!
If the expansion really has an effect,this makes me wonder if galaxies wouldn't change in size when the rate of expansion of space changes.The effect of the expansion is very small at our scale but it might be large for a galaxy.mmh.
Battery9876 4 weeks ago
@Battery9876 Grab a pencil & napkin & let's check. :-) The expansion rate, known as the Hubble constant, is around 70 km/sec/megaparsec. Our galaxy is ~30000 parsecs across, or ~0.03 megaparsecs. 70km/s/mPa * 0.03 mPa = ~2 km/s.
For comparison, the escape velocity of our galaxy is ~1000km/s. Gravity is acting to offset the 2km/s expansion between opposite ends of our galaxy. Based on that how much larger would you guesstimate our galaxy is due to spatial expansion? Is it expanding?
sbergman27 4 weeks ago
@sbergman27 From what I've read we don't know for sure the escape velocity of the galaxy. John Matters on that: watch?v=H6nP8m4QRUA. Also I have found another research paper from NASA which says 525km/s.
Also I think I would use the radius of the galaxy, not the diameter, so that would be 1km/sec, not 2.
In any case, ve=sqrt(2GMR/r) so r=2GMR/ve^2. Using your numbers, a change by a factor of 1.002 of ve would translate to a change of 0.4% of r.
In the early universe it might have been different.
Battery9876 4 weeks ago
@Battery9876 Vₑ depends on starting position. ~500km/s is from Sol. 1000km/s is from the GC. I really should have used Vₑ from the edge, ~50,000ly out: ~400km/s. But the point is that local gravity swamps spatial expansion.
That said, we know from observation that Sol orbits the MW's mass center with a period (P) of ~200m yrs @ a distance (A) of ~1.7E9 AU. M=A³/P². So galactic mass is ~120E9 solar masses. Not sure why anyone would say we don't know the mass of our galaxy.
sbergman27 4 weeks ago
@sbergman27 I think there's a theorem - Gauss theorem? - check Susskind's cosmology lectures it's explained somewhere - which says that the gravitationnal effect of everything outside your orbit cancels out. If you use the speed of the sun around the center you will only find the mass within its orbit.
Also there may be a lot of DM outside the "luminous matter of the galaxy". According to the theorem you can't feel it. So you can't really know the mass of the galaxy and its escape velocity.
Battery9876 3 weeks ago
@Battery9876 "which says that the gravitationnal effect of everything outside your orbit cancels out."
That works for idealized charged spherical shells. The matter outside Sol's orbit is not a spherical shell. It's a disk. When Earth's orbit about the sun takes it slightly closer to the galactic center than is the Sun, does the Sun's gravity suddenly get cancelled out and not matter any more? Of course not!
sbergman27 3 weeks ago
Honest the riddle of dark matter is weird... it's hard to spot even exoplanets... whatever is not a star is mostly not visible, why dark matter should be something new and unknown then?
GShock112 1 month ago
0:28 It gives me pause to hear things like "Dark matter doesn't interact with us in any way". It most certainly does. Gravitationally. & that's a perfectly valid way of interacting or detecting something. It's that sort of EM-chauvinism that has many laymen thinking that DM is just made up to fix a broken cosmology. We never had any right to assume that all particles with mass should also interact via EM, strong, or weak forces. DM should not be all that surprising. My bet's on the neutralino.
sbergman27 1 month ago
you should have kept the last blooper for the final product haha :) keep us on our toes ya know?
Deadmo 1 month ago
I love it when people say redundant things 6:27 and then realize it right after
pyrea17 1 month ago
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This duck on the shelf at his back is suspicious. It might know something important about our galaxy.
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bogdanov0001 1 month ago
I remember that episode :P
MarkArandjus 1 month ago
@MarkArandjus Well, after the computer told her that the Universe was a spherical region 1000 meters in diameter, it didn't take an Einstein to spot that there was a problem. ;-)
sbergman27 1 month ago
Tony if you like Star Trek you might like to check out my video Star Trek First Contact in 5 seconds :-)
SpartanStig117 1 month ago
I'm sick of my boring facebook friends who talk about all kinds of banal subjects. Any space lover wants to friend me it would be nice. My name is Michael Theisen, from Chicago Illinios. Just put Space Fan in comments and i will accept you.
necrom666 1 month ago
Always a pleasure
Bobajobimus 1 month ago
The very end reminds me of a Jackie Chan movie :O)
Cogency1 1 month ago
Great update. Really enjoyed this one. Keep up the fantastic work!
SmileForward 1 month ago
Very interesting as always, you should have your own TV show or at least be invited to news programs on a regular basis. Your videos are highly appreciated.
I guess dark matter is invisible in every way but doesn't it have to have mass to have a gravitational effect on light? If it has mass wouldn't be able to interact with it physically? I'm still trying to fully grasp our understanding of dark matter.
Kariakas 1 month ago
just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to inform us of some of the greatest discoveries man has ever made....... i wish i could have your job....exactly what do i need to do.....im a cook cuz work around here is hard to find......its a good job but your job is way way better!!!
TheeJediSmurf 1 month ago
I'd love to know how dark matter has gravity without "normal" properties. I saw the "bullet image" that was captured showing dark matter passing through matter, amazing
JadeChaos 1 month ago 3
@JadeChaos Good question, but I think most astronomers would be happy just knowing what the heck that stuff is in the first place. :-)
tdarnell 1 month ago 4
@tdarnell Yeah 'dark matter' is really just a placeholder term. The truth is, scientists don't know what it is, but some unseen 'matter' has to account for the extra gravity that is detected. We just don't know what it is yet.
ahg337 1 month ago
@tdarnell I wish you were my father... I watch you videos every night before bed... eventually falling asleep. People like you are real heroes to me.
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@tdarnell "most astronomers would be happy just knowing what the heck that stuff is in the first place":
It's empty space that is less dense than the rest of space.
IAMoraes 1 month ago
@JadeChaos There is no such thing as dark matter. Study the work of Nassim Haramein, the guy who solve the unified field riddle.
TotalImplosion 1 month ago
@JadeChaos There are 4 basic forces. Electromagnetism, Strong, Weak, & Gravity. Everything is affected by G (both mass & energy) because G is the very geometry of space-time. Protons/Quarks participate in all 4 forces. Electrons participate only in G & EM. Neutrinos only participate in G & W. Dark Matter participates in gravity. Does not participate in EM or S. And may or may not participate in W. If so, it's like a neutrino, but heavier. In this context, is it really *so* mysterious?
sbergman27 1 month ago
shit! with that of its gravity, gravity is not at all ....
images of galaxies bends department gave the body's magnetic field ....
photon, an electron can only dart magnetic fields ....
pulsas28 1 month ago
Awesome stuff, keep it coming!
andy7666 1 month ago
interesting stuff, a shame we cant fly about out there and see things first hand.
bicnarok 1 month ago
Thanks sooo much! Your vids are one of the weekly entertainment I always look forward to. And I learn soooo much. Thanks a lot! Thanks a lot!
CyrilleParis 1 month ago
I believe that is one galaxy by itself. Just like when the quasar were this cover... oh scientists and you one-sided view of things.
LZantho 1 month ago
ok i have a question i hope someone here can answer. Why do scientist think there is no already existing antimatter in the universe, and the only way to study it is by creating it. I watched a show on the science channel saying that one possibility was that the universe and an antiverse collided but somehow the universe was able to produce more matter? How is that possible, and why wouldn't and antiverse have the same amount of matter. The part about it not occurring naturally is from my teacher
cjw1010 1 month ago
@cjw1010 the reason we cant see smell or touch dark matter is because were made of the opposite type of matter, basically its like a mirror trying to see itself in a another mirror, i hoped it helped but you will be better off doing some research, its quite hard to explain this in a youtube comment.
TheHemsworthboy 1 month ago
@TheHemsworthboy No, it's not that we're made of the opposite type of matter. I think you're thinking of antimatter, which is different from dark matter. We don't know what dark matter is made of, but it's probably just electrically neutral matter, like free neutrons. We can't interact with it because it doesn't absorb photons, nor is it repulsed by the electrons in our atoms; it has to hit an atomic nuclei to effect normal matter, which is very unlikely.
Hooya2 1 month ago
@TheHemsworthboy i understand dark matter as a whole, and dark energy but i dont understand antimatter thats what confuses me.
cjw1010 1 month ago
@cjw1010 When antimatter collides with normal matter, the two destroy each other, converting into pure energy. If there was a lot of antimatter in the universe, we should be able to see it colliding with normal matter, but we don't.
Theoretically, matter and antimatter both should form naturally from energy in roughly equal quantities, so our universe should have equal amounts. Scientists don't know why our universe is so matter-heavy.
Hooya2 1 month ago
@Hooya2 I understand they destroy each other completely and make pure energy, but in (i think) the first season of through the wormhole they talked about when our universe was small it had a mirror image of a anti matter universe and they collided and somehow our universe produced more matter, and what we have in our universe is whats left over. I dont understand how our universe managed to produce more, is there an unequal ratio im forgetting?
cjw1010 1 month ago
@Hooya2 Also could it be that what i said about the earlier universe and its anti version didn't happen yet and thats why we dont see and anti matter? One last question sorry im just really curious. How would anti matter come into existence? Or is that not known?
cjw1010 1 month ago
I wish I had some dark matter in my tool box
robbiethewood 1 month ago
@robbiethewood are you talking dirty? ^^
GMSlash 1 month ago
Love it!
That TNG episode is one of my faves.
ScottishAtheist 1 month ago
The dislike bar is like dark matter. You can't see it but you know that it's there.
gigacoasterfan 1 month ago
Hi Tony. Just wanted to say that I've been watching these vids you put make for a few months now but haven't said thanks... so a big thanks from me! I look forward to and enjoy every episode. Keep 'em comin' buddy :)
HerbsmanRevs 1 month ago
Thanks. Great stuff.
iaov 1 month ago
Cool :PPPPP
WILDLEGHORN 1 month ago
awesome
Eztoez 1 month ago
Ah, is it a bad sign that remember that TNG episode? :D
Thanks Tony.
LVskywalker 1 month ago
Nice information & comedy at the end
vaironxxrd 1 month ago
All you really need to do, to keep updated and being amazed by space and astronomy is to be subscribed to this channel and Spacerip's. So easy and so awsome - hopefully SOPA and PIPA won't break YT
BjornSeverinLarsen 1 month ago
That's a looooooooooooooong ways away! :O
GoreTorn16 1 month ago
This is great stuff. The world needs more smart, talented, articulate people like yourself who can educate the masses about the wonderful nature of our universe.
maggru91 1 month ago
Great stuff - as always. Thanks again!
TheHunnyhillbees 1 month ago
Tony!!
KelzLife 1 month ago in playlist Space Fan News
You, guy, is what I enjoy watching. I'm really happy I subbed to your channel before you started with the spacefan news! Love this stuff more than black holes!
SilverIcetail 1 month ago
and as always a pleasure..
Alienalloy 1 month ago
Yet another informative, interesting and genuinely wonderful video! Thanks a lot for this, it's much appreciated! Always looking up :)
alienfast 1 month ago
Why can't dark matter just be matter that isn't emitting light? We can't see that stuff either.
supergsx 1 month ago
@supergsx Because then it could touched by regular matter. Which it can't.
Melee2Kil 1 month ago
@Melee2Kil From my understanding, the only evidence for "dark matter" is the angular velocity of the outer edges of galaxies. It seems like a huge assumption to say that it is some kind of mysterious, invisible, untouchable, and completely undetectable mystical substance that is all over the universe without any scientific theory behind it.
I'm just wondering if, with all the new understanding of exoplanets, dark matter could just be exoplanets, or dim stars. Or even small black holes.
supergsx 1 month ago
@supergsx: That was just the first clue. Gravitational lensing and models of galaxy collisions only work in some (now many more observed) places we've observed. Most galaxies show differences. Also, gamma ray light from some really distant places are oddly delayed - spread out in a manner consistant with different arrival times depending on the energy (frequency) from the same events. Dark matter is truly ubiquitous. Some speculate it may fill the universe.
RyuDarragh 1 month ago
@supergsx Yes possibly, I guess it's just another way of saying there is too much gravity here for the amount of mass we have.
Melee2Kil 1 month ago
@supergsx The evidence is overwhelming. The acoustic oscillations visible in the WMAP data clearly indicate DM. Exoplanet mass is orders of orders of magnitude too small to account. MACHOs exist, but clearly can't account. Consider that DM represents over 7x the "normal" mass in our Universe. We had no basis for assuming that every massive particle must interact via EM. In absence of evidence it made sense not to hypothesize any. But denying our current data would be unscientific.
sbergman27 1 month ago
@sbergman27 I'm not denying the current data, nor am I denying the current (widely accepted) hypothesis of what is causing the effects of dark matter, or what dark matter is. It just seems to me that some scientists may be a bit attached to this idea that dark matter is an undetectable substance permeating the whole universe when we don't know that yet, and that ALL unaccounted mass is caused by dark matter, when a lot of it is probably caused by MACHOs. There just needs to be more science.
supergsx 1 month ago
@supergsx "There just needs to be more science."
Teach the controversy? Even the MACHO researchers, by & large admit that MACHOS can't come close to accounting for the mass. Even the scientists working on MOND theories admit that DM is necessary in addition to MOND. And this is based upon the hard data.
Saying DM's existence needs more science is like saying more research needs to be done before we discount creationism because we just don't know at this point. It's an absurd position.
sbergman27 1 month ago
@sbergman27 This is no longer an argument. You understand what I'm saying, and I understand what you're saying, so let's stop playing this dumb game.
PS: If DM's existence is so certain, then I wish the scientific journalism community would give just a bit more information about it. We're all in the dark here.
PPS: I wasn't talking about DM when I said "there just needs to be more science." No scientist would ever disagree with that sentence. There ALWAYS needs to be more science.
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supergsx 1 month ago
Kirk moves at :05.. Nice.
noodlerII 1 month ago
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I see so many correlations between the universe and cytology/biology, I see the universe as one big "Cosmic-Cell" and everything within this Cosmic-Cell(stars, black holes, matter, dark matter) are just "Cosmic-Organelles" responsible for the cosmic-cell's function. When I look at the baby picture of the universe I see cell division(Anaphase); Big Divide instead? We are the stuff of stars, the stars are the stuff of the universe; maybe the universe's nature is not so different from our own?
Nez949 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Amazing info! Thanks from Ireland!
rccaulfield 1 month ago
@rccaulfield Don't forget to have a gander for the Aurora this eve! I'm gettin my ass out of Dub for the eve, as long as it's clear of course.
TheEVILutionist 1 month ago
@TheEVILutionist Yea Donegal is the place to be! Great pics from Liffen on Google images!
rccaulfield 1 month ago
Tony, you made a typo in the CC
You say +66 but it sais +666
Debbie321lopez 1 month ago in playlist Space Fan News
i could watch 5:37 - 5:59 for hours
Adam12088 1 month ago
This became more awesome because you mentioned Star Trek, lmao love the Captain Kirt action figure behind you.
ghazzter 1 month ago 7
love your vids
filthyfun 1 month ago
Great Video Tony! It seem to be a trend of some sort... everything we can't put math on it HAS to be dark matter. Like we are understanding everything and are only missing dark matter.
uceid 1 month ago
I honestly wish you had your own TV channel...:( Your educational videos are the reason I visit youtube!
TeapTemple 1 month ago
and I've only seen like 20 star trek episodes in my life, but I HAVE seen the one you were talking about lol!
BlazingDeath108 1 month ago
I get super excited every time I see a new video by you on my front page. Thanks again for another great episode Tony!
BlazingDeath108 1 month ago
Dark Matter is so cool to me. I think it's because it's so mysterious. I guess I just dig the mystery :P
Halflifefan54 1 month ago
It was the Static Bubble Episode!!!! .....Sheldon: "WHHEAATOONN!!!"
Brewhahh 1 month ago
PS: lay off the caffeiene before making the vids :-)
ferrett78 1 month ago
@tdarnell I don't understand. when we look into the "distant" universe, are we really only looking into the distant past? since light from that distance takes so long to reach us, isn't it impossible to have an accurate understanding of what's actually out there? & only what 'was' there once?? I'm confused...
TSFCEntertainment 1 month ago
Astronomy had only a very passing interest for me before. Since I've subbed to this channel the amount of and interest in information about what could be best described as the real big picture,has grown exponentially.We are the universe looking at itself..Awesome...and not like "this is a awesome hot dog" more like"Holy shit the reality of this is making me dizzy" -AWESOME
yourfullofsheite 1 month ago 2
Pfft - the galaxy catalogue number is FAR easier to remember than "dark matter galaxy". ;-) Thanks again, Tony. I always enjoy your videos.
ferrett78 1 month ago
"If there's nothing wrong with me, there must be something wrong with the universe". That sounds like a good Republican slogan for the election.
wasdom01 1 month ago
Arent dwarf galaxies usually revolving around larger galaxies?, and doesnt that mean that the darkmatter from the greater galaxy extending to the dwarf galaxy is causing the bending , and not the gravity from the dwarf galaxy? wont make any difference but just curious.
sushanalone 1 month ago
Those outtakes shows a humanity.
arvidmr 1 month ago
Lovin' your very informative videos. Thank you Mr. Darnell.
huyked 1 month ago
Amazing videos.
xBloodXGusherx 1 month ago
i just tried doing my first youtube video with just a pic and an mp3 file, damn so much work.
SO i cant imagine the work that's being put into your videos Tony.
Keep it up ma brotha'. :)
lucabaracuda987 1 month ago 39
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@lucabaracuda987
It it depends; my channel-video took a LONG time. Some are just thrown together; these are well-made.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@lucabaracuda987 Meh, I did 11 videos last night and I find it a breeze ^^
The same thing you tryed to do tehe
MindSeeR666 1 month ago
@lucabaracuda987 Thank you. I'm getting into a groove with these now: start with a script, practice a couple of times, film it, import into Final Cut, edit out the crap, save some bloopers, add supporting graphics/screenshots/animations.
If I start after work around 6:30, I can usually upload around midnight. Last week during the AAS I switched from iMovie to Final Cut and the learning curve there kinda killed me, but I'm past the worst of that now.
tdarnell 1 month ago 17
@tdarnell hey T just had a bunch load of beers and a bottle of Gin cause its Australia Day and wanted to drop in to give you a friendly /hug. So don't ask me why I'm doing it. I just feel like it :)
lucabaracuda987 1 month ago
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I can't understand why nobody figures it out?
Dark matter is ordinary matter travelling faster than the speed of light relative to our perspective.
I figured it out myself. :-)
Kalohuxify 1 month ago
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@Kalohuxify
Because lightspeed is absolute?
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
Who thinks the universe is just another tiny dot and there's millions and millions of them
Gibranmacias911 1 month ago
@Gibranmacias911 I'd say anyone who thinks that is irrational, and operating on blind faith. I don't see any evidence that there are other universes. However, if there is evidence, please, enlighten me.
Halflifefan54 1 month ago
This stuff is so interesting, well worth the subscribe
boomhauerr 1 month ago 47
@boomhauerr you better find it interesting
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 month ago
At 3:57 is that a graph showing the amount of LOL in the universe compared to time and space? I think Einstein would find that very intriguing!! :D
cowbell4kid 1 month ago
Good video, Tony. I'm going to try out that Beverly Crusher line.
bobsmeerfak 1 month ago
I still love the out-takes, no matter what that ONE person said ;)
AtheistToothFairy 1 month ago
Great video =D
irishmonkey640 1 month ago
i just watch these videos for the duck phone
emailchrismoll 1 month ago in playlist Space Fan News