The singular problem of all Randian ethics derives from her political activism against Statism & the Collective. In Rand's utopia, she longs for constitutional stasis despite society's evolving concepts of justice & its primary consideration in governance. It's as if the individual's pursuit of complete ownership of his life precludes his duties (pace Kant) to the wider community of his fellows. This is the precise problem of the closed objectivism that Peiko & his crowd espouse.
@BrotherWoody1 Why would an individual have an obligation to the wider community of his fellows? This what Rand addresses in her ethical system. The principles of rationale never change because her philosophy is equipped to explain man's nature objectively. The technological overlay may change, but we're all still human beings and live as such. Any evolving ideas that reflect the modern age have no jurisdiction to contradict the human condition of individual rights.
"No man is an island unto himself (Donne)." We live & die within the wider community of our fellows. Rand conflates "the natural state (Rousseau)" into an actual state (that never was) as her ideal of utopian economic man. Self interest has its economic limits (Smith) & must never be taken as the sine qua non of capitalism. In Rand's paradigm, predatory self interest is subsumed under "enlightened" self interest, which by its nature is destructive to the Many for the sake of the One (2011 econ).
@BrotherWoody1 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@Tropic0fScr0tum i think the voluntary actions of fellow citizens, the free market, decides who deserves what. By that standard, all smugglers are providing a service to those who want their goods and therefore do deserve their profits.
She is great, but I guess she never saw peak oil. Building a society of specialization, we act as on unit. Just like a human, if you take away the food, the human body, liver, heart, etc, will die. Take away energy, or have a shortage, and our body known as the human race starts to die.
@shamgar001 Assuming there is a new one. The price system only ensures that if there is an alternative, it will take its place. Seeing as food right now travels an average of 3000 miles in the US, the price of food is only 10% of our budgets now due to how cheap oil is. Food used to be 30% of a household budget. But there comes a problem, and that is what happens when the demand for food in the city is so great, that the average citizen in said city cannot afford food?
@bluefootedpig Then the market will adjust. People will leave that city (spreading the demand out) and people will work on cheaper ways to transport food, and markets will equillibrate. Don't underestimate human innovation.
@shamgar001 Sure people will move, if they can afford to. Look at san francisco. There is about 850k people, plus another 500k who work in the city, plus all the surround areas, and a good portion of them don't own cars, nor have the capital to move if they wanted to (by national saving average we know this). We might be able to change, but remember that we burn 19 billion barrels a year in teh US alone, and it is increasing while we have already hit peak.
@bluefootedpig Again, markets adjust. If people are incapable of leaving the city, that will either further increase incentives to get them food in the city, or provide incentives to find cheaper ways to get them out of the city.
We can't ever know when we've hit peak oil, since new means of extracting and new sources could still be sound. If there really is none left, we'll either find a way to recycle what we have or move on to another energy source.
@shamgar001 Peak oil, which all but one country has announced as hitting, includes the idea of being able to advance technology as well. But the whole point is what if it we can't. Take yeast. You put them in water with surgar sources, and they multiply, to the point that they kill themselves using the resources. Since oil has been found, the world population has gone up like 10 fold. Our entire society is based on the cheap energy. Odds are, when cheap energy runs out, people will die.
@bluefootedpig Humans will learn to either live with less energy or find a new source. Oil used to be a very expensive source of energy, but the market made it cheap. I'm sure the market can make another source cheap too.
Fortunately, humans are smarter than yeast. If oil prices go up, people will learn to use less. Families will likely become too expensive to maintain and reproduction will slow down, bringing us to a population which can be supported without oil.
@shamgar001 Depends on how it all goes down. Perhaps you are right, but look at the riots across the world because government is cutting healthcare or retirement plans. You think if those people didn't get food, or couldn't afford food, that they would just adjust? The governments are telling the people, there is no possible way to survive at the current spending, and any cuts are met with protest. People will demand what they want, even if it isn't possible. I just hope you are right.
She's correct. There is no limiting factor to economic growth.
Esoparagon 6 months ago
The singular problem of all Randian ethics derives from her political activism against Statism & the Collective. In Rand's utopia, she longs for constitutional stasis despite society's evolving concepts of justice & its primary consideration in governance. It's as if the individual's pursuit of complete ownership of his life precludes his duties (pace Kant) to the wider community of his fellows. This is the precise problem of the closed objectivism that Peiko & his crowd espouse.
BrotherWoody1 7 months ago
@BrotherWoody1 Why would an individual have an obligation to the wider community of his fellows? This what Rand addresses in her ethical system. The principles of rationale never change because her philosophy is equipped to explain man's nature objectively. The technological overlay may change, but we're all still human beings and live as such. Any evolving ideas that reflect the modern age have no jurisdiction to contradict the human condition of individual rights.
GUN1GRAVE 3 months ago
"No man is an island unto himself (Donne)." We live & die within the wider community of our fellows. Rand conflates "the natural state (Rousseau)" into an actual state (that never was) as her ideal of utopian economic man. Self interest has its economic limits (Smith) & must never be taken as the sine qua non of capitalism. In Rand's paradigm, predatory self interest is subsumed under "enlightened" self interest, which by its nature is destructive to the Many for the sake of the One (2011 econ).
BrotherWoody1 3 months ago
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@BrotherWoody1 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 3 weeks ago
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lifevt94hellotoworld 8 months ago
Morality is not objective, not even freedom (which is what Ayn Rand suggests).
lifevt94hellotoworld 8 months ago
You make it hard not to like Ayn Rand.
LoklarYsera 8 months ago
@Tropic0fScr0tum Nope. Morality is objective, dear. See "The Objectivist Ethics" by Ayn Rand for details.
richardcadbury 8 months ago
@Tropic0fScr0tum Yeah but morality is objective
richardcadbury 8 months ago
@Tropic0fScr0tum i think the voluntary actions of fellow citizens, the free market, decides who deserves what. By that standard, all smugglers are providing a service to those who want their goods and therefore do deserve their profits.
fzqlcs 8 months ago
She is great, but I guess she never saw peak oil. Building a society of specialization, we act as on unit. Just like a human, if you take away the food, the human body, liver, heart, etc, will die. Take away energy, or have a shortage, and our body known as the human race starts to die.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig Take away one source of energy, and the price system ensures that a new one takes its place.
shamgar001 8 months ago
@shamgar001 Assuming there is a new one. The price system only ensures that if there is an alternative, it will take its place. Seeing as food right now travels an average of 3000 miles in the US, the price of food is only 10% of our budgets now due to how cheap oil is. Food used to be 30% of a household budget. But there comes a problem, and that is what happens when the demand for food in the city is so great, that the average citizen in said city cannot afford food?
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig Then the market will adjust. People will leave that city (spreading the demand out) and people will work on cheaper ways to transport food, and markets will equillibrate. Don't underestimate human innovation.
shamgar001 8 months ago
@shamgar001 Sure people will move, if they can afford to. Look at san francisco. There is about 850k people, plus another 500k who work in the city, plus all the surround areas, and a good portion of them don't own cars, nor have the capital to move if they wanted to (by national saving average we know this). We might be able to change, but remember that we burn 19 billion barrels a year in teh US alone, and it is increasing while we have already hit peak.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig Again, markets adjust. If people are incapable of leaving the city, that will either further increase incentives to get them food in the city, or provide incentives to find cheaper ways to get them out of the city.
We can't ever know when we've hit peak oil, since new means of extracting and new sources could still be sound. If there really is none left, we'll either find a way to recycle what we have or move on to another energy source.
shamgar001 8 months ago
@shamgar001 Peak oil, which all but one country has announced as hitting, includes the idea of being able to advance technology as well. But the whole point is what if it we can't. Take yeast. You put them in water with surgar sources, and they multiply, to the point that they kill themselves using the resources. Since oil has been found, the world population has gone up like 10 fold. Our entire society is based on the cheap energy. Odds are, when cheap energy runs out, people will die.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig Humans will learn to either live with less energy or find a new source. Oil used to be a very expensive source of energy, but the market made it cheap. I'm sure the market can make another source cheap too.
Fortunately, humans are smarter than yeast. If oil prices go up, people will learn to use less. Families will likely become too expensive to maintain and reproduction will slow down, bringing us to a population which can be supported without oil.
shamgar001 8 months ago
@shamgar001 Depends on how it all goes down. Perhaps you are right, but look at the riots across the world because government is cutting healthcare or retirement plans. You think if those people didn't get food, or couldn't afford food, that they would just adjust? The governments are telling the people, there is no possible way to survive at the current spending, and any cuts are met with protest. People will demand what they want, even if it isn't possible. I just hope you are right.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
so scary. the money trade is becoming a casino.
she's so right. all this fake confetti paper but no resources, no domestic production.
biozamadotcom 8 months ago 2
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