@Yarooo1000 On the other hand, I am sure Bernie Madoff must wonder every day why he doesn't have company given how employees and investors are being ripped off by corporate "executives" AKA crooks; all the more so after Corzine's gambling with MF Global funds that were legally supposed to be out of his reach. It would be difficult to say that Madoff was really that much worse than the scum in suits that have evaded justice. I know. I have a tendency to hold back way too much!
@Yarooo1000 he stole around 65 billion using a fraudulent scheme where new investors money was used to pay old investors with madoff taking a cut, it involves continually getting new investors to not collapse (roughly. its alot more complicated)
And never will be I suppose. Yes -as others have pointed out Bernie Madoffs was a specific case -the wider picture involves the whole Western world and governments.Whole governments and political spectrums failed to see this coming over long periods of time. Governments (based on democratic principles) are supposed to 'protect' their citizens.They haven't.Period.
Has anybody read Dambisia Moyo's book How the West was lost. I thinks its all there.
Her book is good though. The jews who stick together as investors...became unstuck and you know what? It serves them all right. They were greedy for riskless yeild - and the yeilds at 13%+ were IMPOSSIBLE to create by what he said he was doing with the $6bln invested. The "victims" deserve what they got. 100%. Pure unbridled greed and self denial that they were all involved in a scam together.
I wonder if Madoff's disintegration had more to do with the realization of his circumstances than with his son's suicide. I'm sure his son's death was a factor in some way but a sociopath like Madoff is really only concerned about one person - himself.
I'm glad his son killed himself, I hope it crush Madoff and hurt him deeply. But I bet that Madoff doesn't actually give a damn. I bet he is laughing his ass off in his high luxury prison when he really should be in Guantanamo Bay having a water boarding treatment and and an electrocution bath while he is having his fingernails torn out and his genitals removed with a rusty blade.
@LtEggSalad86 Ouch...it hurt to read that. I can understand your feelings about someone who has been so antisocial but I wouldn't support inflicting that type of pain on another human being. A person participating in such punishment would have to be less than human or they would be so as a result.
@bellorusso That is off topic but I am not happy with that situation either.... nor do I like the very stupid military activity (killings and property damage) that has taken place for all these years.
I cannot almost cry...... at the thought of his suicide.....especially when i read the funds that were given from families and were taken advantage over for so long a period. Death is not a happy thing for anyone.
@Gedankenbaukunst Makes you wonder???? So much money is unaccounted for. Terrible that taxpayers get the tab for supporting Bernie and protecting him from people that would like to pry the answers out of him.
Stephanie's husband (Mark Madoff) was a weak-minded, selfish coward who abandoned his wife and children by taking the easy way out of life, instead of dealing with problems like a REAL MAN would have done!
Stephanie needs to stop making excuses and be honest with herself and her children. I hope she's not telling those kids that God took their father. That was no act of God, but the act of a coward.
@7beers Whats's your problem? She's explaining her unusually close access and what she observed in an efficient, professorial way. I don't see any buoyant or unusually animated affect going on--- she's an author/investigator who's reporting on facts. The salient one here being that perhaps finally Bernie M really has started to realize the enormity of what he's caused but only by way of this unspeakable tragedy of his son's suicide. She's completely appropriate in her delivery.
Her clear love to be in front of the camera performing eclipses by far her concern for the subject matter, including the deceased and the bereaved. Utterly grotesque.
@7beers I understand your response but in all fairness she did not know she was in front of a camera. She wrote a book on Madoff and made a presentation to a group. I took the liberty to make the video. The human interest element here is: given the lives Madoff destroyed and his disinterest in the consequences of his mischief, could someone that pathological have any feelings at all?
@wworldp Thanks for your response, but knowing that there was no camera does not change my point. I'll substitute "audience" for "camera" and my point remains. Her buoyant, animated affect is completely inappropriate for the subject matter.
@7beers I know we are not going to come to an agreement...but we don't have to. It is OK to disagree. It could be that this clip was taken out of context. I heard the entire talk; she used the same delivery when talking about other Madoff related issues. Possibly she was just trying to be effective and not intending to be mean spirited. The topic is sensitive to be sure. I can't really speak for her and I don't know her. I can also understand why you feel as you do.
@7beers "Her buoyant, animated affect is completely inappropriate for the subject matter." I think you are reading into, there's none of that there, imo.
I WANT TO SEE THE CHASING MADOFF MOVIE ON DVD , SEEMS IM NOT BEING ALLOWED TO BUY IT !!
BAWBAG100 4 weeks ago
@BAWBAG100 So far, I can't find it either. Should be out soon.
wworldp 4 weeks ago
Is Bernie Madoff one of the few who have been jailed for much of the economic disaster?How far does responsibilty go?It seems a bit thin doesn't it?
Yarooo1000 1 month ago
@Yarooo1000 No, that is not why he is in jail. It is because he ran a Ponzi scheme.
wworldp 1 month ago
@wworldp
Yes Youre right.I'm being simplistic in the way I commented.Point taken!
Yarooo1000 1 month ago
@Yarooo1000 On the other hand, I am sure Bernie Madoff must wonder every day why he doesn't have company given how employees and investors are being ripped off by corporate "executives" AKA crooks; all the more so after Corzine's gambling with MF Global funds that were legally supposed to be out of his reach. It would be difficult to say that Madoff was really that much worse than the scum in suits that have evaded justice. I know. I have a tendency to hold back way too much!
wworldp 1 month ago
@Yarooo1000 he stole around 65 billion using a fraudulent scheme where new investors money was used to pay old investors with madoff taking a cut, it involves continually getting new investors to not collapse (roughly. its alot more complicated)
luluhipe 1 month ago
@luluhipe
Yes you are right.It was a highly specific case
Yarooo1000 1 month ago
@Yarooo1000 No. Unlike Bernie - no one has even been charged for the economic disaster.
shagster1970 1 month ago
@shagster1970
And never will be I suppose. Yes -as others have pointed out Bernie Madoffs was a specific case -the wider picture involves the whole Western world and governments.Whole governments and political spectrums failed to see this coming over long periods of time. Governments (based on democratic principles) are supposed to 'protect' their citizens.They haven't.Period.
Has anybody read Dambisia Moyo's book How the West was lost. I thinks its all there.
Yarooo1000 1 month ago
Her book is good though. The jews who stick together as investors...became unstuck and you know what? It serves them all right. They were greedy for riskless yeild - and the yeilds at 13%+ were IMPOSSIBLE to create by what he said he was doing with the $6bln invested. The "victims" deserve what they got. 100%. Pure unbridled greed and self denial that they were all involved in a scam together.
buffett1000 1 month ago
open population until he has made full restitution and paid appropriate penalties
rubarb0rubarb 2 months ago
"Keeping reality at bay" for a long, long time. A wonderful Jewish term for a psychopathic lifetime liar.
JohnnyRock2000 2 months ago
I wonder if Madoff's disintegration had more to do with the realization of his circumstances than with his son's suicide. I'm sure his son's death was a factor in some way but a sociopath like Madoff is really only concerned about one person - himself.
jksonny 2 months ago
I'm glad his son killed himself, I hope it crush Madoff and hurt him deeply. But I bet that Madoff doesn't actually give a damn. I bet he is laughing his ass off in his high luxury prison when he really should be in Guantanamo Bay having a water boarding treatment and and an electrocution bath while he is having his fingernails torn out and his genitals removed with a rusty blade.
LtEggSalad86 3 months ago
@LtEggSalad86 Ouch...it hurt to read that. I can understand your feelings about someone who has been so antisocial but I wouldn't support inflicting that type of pain on another human being. A person participating in such punishment would have to be less than human or they would be so as a result.
wworldp 3 months ago 6
@wworldp But he deserves it no doubt.
LtEggSalad86 3 months ago
@LtEggSalad86 When one considers the pain he caused so many others, I can understand your reaction.
wworldp 3 months ago
@wworldp should be everyone's reaction.
LtEggSalad86 3 months ago
@wworldp I agree with you! We become who we hate. That's why it's important to forgive, for our own healing, and soul.
SasyTequila 2 months ago
@wworldp So why don't you lash out at the American gov that is still operating the Guantanamo torture camp?
bellorusso 2 months ago
@bellorusso That is off topic but I am not happy with that situation either.... nor do I like the very stupid military activity (killings and property damage) that has taken place for all these years.
wworldp 2 months ago
@LtEggSalad86 he got the shit beat out of him hard in prison... if that's high Luxury, I'm glad I'm poor.
a2r1v1i2s 2 months ago
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MegaBomb66 2 months ago
I cannot almost cry...... at the thought of his suicide.....especially when i read the funds that were given from families and were taken advantage over for so long a period. Death is not a happy thing for anyone.
cantalopeish 3 months ago
WHERE S THE MONEY ??? PERIOD
Gedankenbaukunst 3 months ago
@Gedankenbaukunst Makes you wonder???? So much money is unaccounted for. Terrible that taxpayers get the tab for supporting Bernie and protecting him from people that would like to pry the answers out of him.
wworldp 3 months ago
@Gedankenbaukunst IN ISRAEL! In the pockets of Zionists for future "enterprises" in the Middle East.
bellorusso 2 months ago
KARMA
GMK20 4 months ago
Greed is good?
ssean1290 4 months ago
GIVE.....ME.....A...... FREAK'N...... BREAK!
Stephanie's husband (Mark Madoff) was a weak-minded, selfish coward who abandoned his wife and children by taking the easy way out of life, instead of dealing with problems like a REAL MAN would have done!
Stephanie needs to stop making excuses and be honest with herself and her children. I hope she's not telling those kids that God took their father. That was no act of God, but the act of a coward.
Solowizard 4 months ago
@7beers Whats's your problem? She's explaining her unusually close access and what she observed in an efficient, professorial way. I don't see any buoyant or unusually animated affect going on--- she's an author/investigator who's reporting on facts. The salient one here being that perhaps finally Bernie M really has started to realize the enormity of what he's caused but only by way of this unspeakable tragedy of his son's suicide. She's completely appropriate in her delivery.
summer66ification 4 months ago
Her clear love to be in front of the camera performing eclipses by far her concern for the subject matter, including the deceased and the bereaved. Utterly grotesque.
7beers 5 months ago 8
@7beers I understand your response but in all fairness she did not know she was in front of a camera. She wrote a book on Madoff and made a presentation to a group. I took the liberty to make the video. The human interest element here is: given the lives Madoff destroyed and his disinterest in the consequences of his mischief, could someone that pathological have any feelings at all?
wworldp 5 months ago
@wworldp Thanks for your response, but knowing that there was no camera does not change my point. I'll substitute "audience" for "camera" and my point remains. Her buoyant, animated affect is completely inappropriate for the subject matter.
7beers 5 months ago
@7beers I know we are not going to come to an agreement...but we don't have to. It is OK to disagree. It could be that this clip was taken out of context. I heard the entire talk; she used the same delivery when talking about other Madoff related issues. Possibly she was just trying to be effective and not intending to be mean spirited. The topic is sensitive to be sure. I can't really speak for her and I don't know her. I can also understand why you feel as you do.
wworldp 5 months ago
@7beers "Her buoyant, animated affect is completely inappropriate for the subject matter." I think you are reading into, there's none of that there, imo.
sclapione 4 months ago
@7beers She's very rational, observational, to the point, where is there a "clear love to be in front of the camera" ? Nothing grotesque at all.
sclapione 4 months ago
FIRST LOLXD
ola6861 5 months ago