WHat is so hard to understand about "I lack a belief in a god?" That is one dumb christian. If any of you watching are Christians, I would get rid of people like him. They make you look bad. Unless you are as ignorant as him.
A little kid has never heard the word god, or any translation/equivalent.... he's never thought of a being with any abilities beyond human capability... It's safe to say that this child is an atheist, right?... now.. some people show up, explain what god is, his powers, etc.... he still doesn't believe in god... but by your logic, he is no longer an atheist?... Knowing what you don't believe in is not acknowledgment of existence.
If you say you do not believe in a god, you have not offered a position or said anything about you.
We cannot assume you exist if you "do not believe" since you did not believe when you did not exist.
A lack of belief is not anything so it is not atheism.
Atheism is a position on the existence of god and is a belief, and even though we can prove certain gods do not exist we cannot prove all proposed gods do not exist.
I am starting to study philosophy in Germany - and those kind of semantic word games are really starting to piss me off.
Whenever one cannot find a logical loophole in an argument, the only lever left to dismantle said argument is to try to make the words themselves say something in your favour.
So I have encountered "disbelieve = believe" on some levels.
And the sad thing is - really great minds have resorted to this:
People trying to defend Descartes dualism against the epiphenomenon-argument
Disbelieve is to believe something is false. You need to exist to disbelieve, you do not believe when you do not exist.
Like how disagree works. You cannot disagree when you do not exist, yet you do not agree when you do not exist. Saying you do not, are not... etc... does not talk about you, or about atheists when we say they do not believe in a god. It is true, but about what they are not, not true about what they are.
No probs, read On Denoting by Bertrand Russell.... it's online and it's short. Let me know what you think of it and especially the parts that speak about the present King of France (who we know does not exist) having no hair and not being bald. The distinction is between primary and secondary predicates and Russell identifies them in that essay as primary and secondary statements.
I know it might sound like i'm blowing more smoke up Paul's ass, and sounding exactly like a typical praise wielding replicant, but in my experience in speaking to creationists,
Christians and the like, this is the best resource that I've ever heard for assisting me explain my position as someone who lacks a belief in a deity. Thank you Paul.
When you say "I don't believe in gods" from monotheist's perspective it could mean you aren't a pagan, because it implies you could believe in the singular of the exact word god and not the plural... but when you say "I lack a belief in deities" you are implying a disbelief in every god, supernatural divine being, etc.... That is the way I explained it to my friend when I first had this argument, but yours is a lot more thorough and in your face... It's what the fucking theists need.
"but when you say "I lack a belief in deities" you are implying a disbelief in every god, "
False. You cannot imply anything about him at all, not even that he exists since he did not believe in a god when he did not exist.
A lack of belief in god is not anything, so it is not atheism. Atheism exists, it is real, it is something. A lack of belief does not exist, is not anything.
@gklr I could try to explain where you're wrong, but it wouldn't change your opinion.... Read what you've written... think about it., don't be an idiot.
Pfft, agnosticism FTW. It's clear that a supreme architect or even a race of beings created our society, so I acknowledge their existence, but I also believe we cannot full well know the extent of their plans or even afterlife.
You see I don't know how an intelligent person could ever believe in god. Sure the Bible teaches good moral values (according to what I've heard about it) but I don't know how people can believe in this deity. The only proof theist have about their religion is objects such as books and crap. Don't even give me that bullshit that it's in your heart and those other bullshit because what's in your heart/head is you wanting god to exist. A happy person doesn't need a god.
I think people want god/heaven etc to exist to make up for all the bad shit in life therefore they created churches and crap to go and pray which is how cry at how much life sucks. A lot of people are brainwashed to believe in shit. I myself was told that there exist magical monsters and a spiritual world. (Shamanism) I was told as a kid to believe in all these crap but never really experienced any of the crap that was told to me. But this idea was implanted into me and it will never disappear.
I Strongly support this guy as well as Obama, Sarah Palin 2012, more wal-marts for everyone, more parking lots, boy cot alternative media, listen to fox news hail the tea party, lets work harder for free if we have to. Raise taxes help welfare they need us lets get rid of social security, how about free healthcare forced vaccines no abortions rally friends yesssss
I'm high with enthusiasm lets take it to capital hill.
I stumbled upon Jack's channel and subsequently this debate from Noelplum's main page, and I have to say that I'm surprised Noel would promote him. He's nowhere near on the intellectual level.
Great words dude. I agree on the burden of proof. They act like atheists are intrinsically inclined to disprove their God. No, they prove it to us or shutup. Not the other way around.
You gotta love Paul's videos. No graphics, no real editing or jump cuts, no scripts...
just a cam, a mic, and a flow of pure common sense and logic. Whenever I see one of his vids in my sub box I know someone is gonna have their ass handed to them.
Very well put indeed! I have often found that it is very hard to precisely state what you mean in these matters, and you have succeeded most admirably. I especially liked "disbelief" is not the same as "belief", i.e., not-A is distinct from A, and "belief is absent from me".
What really infuriates me me about the video that got replied to here is how he keep jammering on about "when they mean I don't believe in god, why do they say I lack a belief in god instead?". Retard! Thats the exact same thing - and the only reason peple use the latter is because it spells it out in capital letters in a way that no matter how you try to twist the meanings of words you can't do much about.
Excellent video. You spell it out exactly. We try to short-circuit all the time-wasting word games by being more precise with our language, and what do we get? People playing dumb about what 'lack of belief' means. How demeaning for someone to be reduced to pretending they don't know that. Great exposure of that silly denial dance.
After thinking about ideas from Hume, Weinberg, and Ayn Rand, it became clear that agnosticism and theism are just position that use the word "god" as a big word game. The very word "god" is used without being defined. People merely use other vague, incoherent descriptions to describe god. They don't even have the faintest clue what they're talking about when they use the word "god". I mean,, supernatural? Wtf is that specifically supposed to mean? Nobody can coherently/sensibly answer that.
Paul, I bet you hear this all the time; but if John Goodman ejaculated into the magically acquired - and functioning - vagina of Seth Rogen, the conception germinating within that man-womb, once grown up, would look alot like you. I hope you take that as a compliment, as I frankly can't imagine why anyone wouldn't.
One is scepticism without holding the diametrically opposing position as true, and the the other is scepticism and the belief in the diametrically opposing position.
"I don't believe in God" and "I lack a belief in God" are both singular, referring to just 1 god. Both statements mean the same thing. Lol the unicorn thing was funny.
So yes, being an atheist (and by that, I mean a person who states with complete certainty that there is no god) does require belief, even if much, much less than being a theist.
I agree with everything you say in this video, except for one thing. The lack of belief can easily be interpreted as a different kind of belief. Saying that no god exists does require a certain amount of belief.
I am sure we all are aware of the common thought that you cannot disprove God. Does a god exist though? From the evidence we can say almost certainly not. But that does not mean it doesn't, in fact it is pretty far from it.
Have you ever read the God Delusion? The book talks about different levels of atheism. It may clear some up questions you have.
You are also suggesting that faith is required to 'believe' that banana fairies and 3 headed unicorns do not exist. Maybe so, but do you see what I'm getting at here?
I see your point and it is legit. I have also asked myself this same question. But not believing something until evidence is presented which proves otherwise is different from blind faith.
I agree. Believing in something that no evidence exists for is stupid.
From the replies I have received to my comment, I am sensing that people want to turn me to atheism. That, however is unnecessary, because I do not believe in a god.
But saying with absolute certainty that no god exists requires belief all the same. I just call it as I see it.
"You are also suggesting that faith is required to 'believe' that banana fairies and 3 headed unicorns do not exist. Maybe so, but do you see what I'm getting at here?"
It takes faith to believe your world-view is an accurate depiction of reality.
well, only if your position is agnostic. if you believe that the thing does not exist, then you have some burden of proof, but not as much as the person saying it does.
The difference lies in if you say that you don't believe in god if you say that there ARE no god. Then you have a burden of proof. If you say that you don't believe in something means that you don't believe it, you are not trying to give any factual statement that in some way "runs over" other people's statements. Surely, a smart person has reasoning behind his beliefs, but that is another topic.
@PaulsEgo Part 1: As an atheist, you do believe that the universe as it exists right now - with all of the order and known lifeforms - can come into existence through a purely unguided "natural" process without the aid of any intelligence, intention or forethought.
Which is a belief that entails a positive claim. One, in which you must defend - but cannot.
See, the thing is - we don't know what the universe is... what time is... what consciousness is... what space is... which means, Cont.
Part 2: that God exists. I'm kidding. I know you would probably love to lay a God of the Gaps on me, but that's not the point. Here is the point. Are you listening, you fvcking zombie-brained, lying sack of shit parasite.
THE POINT IS THERE IS NO GODDAMN DEFAULT POSITION WHEN IT PERTAINS TO CLAIMS ABOUT THE ULTIMATE NATURE OF REALITY.
NO! Atheism and/or Naturalism is NOT a fvcking default position. You must defend both through argument & evidence just like a theist.
@theDracoIX atheism is because, you have had to hear of theism to become a theist, if you've never heard of theism...what does that make you? A atheist.
Now, can you stop trying to pass the burden of proof onto us? because when you have to pass it off onto someone else, it makes it look like you can't prove your side.
Also, to say that since we don't know something, that means god is real, is a argument from ignorance.
@Krensharpaw I didn't pass off anything. I said theists must also present evidence and arguments for their claims. It's NOT on the atheist to prove a god doesn't exist. It's on the atheist to prove a competing worldview to theism. There is a difference.
If you aren't going to defend an atheistic worldview - then see your way out of the fvcking conversation because you're nothing but a pathetic troll.
@theDracoIX Atheism isn't a world view, that's what we call a "strawman". Also, calling me a troll because I respond to your things is nothing more then a cope out and another strawman. This is a fine example of why I no longer waste my time with trying to reason with people such as yourself who aren't intrested in a conversation.
If you're goin to claim that a atheist has to defend a worldview, you first must prove how atheism is a world view and also prove your worldview.
@theDracoIX@theDracoIX Also, theists do have to provide evidence, but they have yet to do that, so even if atheists had something to prove, they don't have to prove anything since there not the one's making the claims, theists are.
Also, I wasn't defending anything here, just pointing out the problems in your reasoning while also pointing out your logical fallacies. This might serve as a fine example in a future video of why I can't take theists as yourself seriously anymore.
@theDracoIX anyway, not sure why I even wasted my time posting comments to you, guess being tired and thinking you might be here to have a debate and not preach made me make them, but I won't be repeating the mistake, thank you for showing me theists still can't put foward a argument without strawmanning and passing the burden of proof off onto someone else.
@Krensharpaw Part 1: I didn't say atheism was a worldview - but nice of you to strawman me like that - you fvcking worthless sack of shit. I said atheistic worldview... meaning any worldview, which doesn't entail the existence of a deity.
How do you get from the Big Bang singularity to life, humans, houses, cities, computers etc. What is responsible for this? Natural Forces? What does Natural Forces mean? There is a claim here that must be defended, unless you say - I don't know, Cont.
Part 2: in which case you have the same position as a rock.
To which I would reply - great fvcking use of your intellect. Do you really expect me to debate a fvcking rock? NO THANKS.
The whole point is this... the sole burden of proof is NOT on a theist to prove their worldview... meaning, that in the absence of this proof - there is some default worldview that must be accepted as true until a theist can prove otherwise. NO NO NO there fvcking isn't.
@theDracoIX so anyway, this will be my last comment to you, because no doubt you will contiue to come up with horrible arguments, contiue to shift the burden of proof, contiue to strawman and contiue to act like you have an idea what you're talking about, along with also maybe insulting me or calling me a troll.
So I bid you farwell sir. If you wish to contiue to stay in your ignorance, then gl to you with that.
@Krensharpaw Listen you worthless blood drinking nigger. This conversation is fvcking pointless... because both you and I already know - that you are a goddamn lying sack of shit... who is too fvcking dishonest to admit the truth.
You are a fvcking devil. A lying, manipulating parasite on the ass of humanity. There is nothing you can say to change this... I know what you are - you are a fvcking abomination.
Now, do humanity a favor and go die in a fire you lowly ass excuse for a real person.
@theDracoIX Well that's one way to get me to comment, and the reason I'm doing this for is because this comment of yours just earned it's right to be in my 2nd video in my series "people say the DUMBEST things...", thank you for that, I really was looking for another comment and I just can't turn down such a comment as that so, thanks. :)
@theDracoIX You said I had to defend a "atheistic worldview", so yes you did. Also, I wonder if you can make a comment without a insult, I don't think you have it in you.
It has been defended, look into science, you're asking for answers that you can find, you're alrdy on the computer.
What god would a rock worship?
Yes there is, until theists can prove there claims, there's no reason to believe them.
@theDracoIX Also, you're still shifting the burden of proof by asking a atheists to defend his "world view", without reliazing that the theists has to first since they are claimming there is a god who made the wolrd, etc.
I really think at this point I'm punishing myself by having this go on, I really hope I won't have to repeat myself, though this will give me some stuff for a video so, I guess I'll get something out of it.
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What will happen to you when you die? Have you ever told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain, or looked at someone with lust? If yes, then you are a lying, theiving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. When you die & stand before God you'll be guilty of breaking His law. The bible says you'll end up in Hell! But God sent God his Son Jesus to die for your sins, & He rose from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus died for your sins & was resurrected) you'll be saved!
@gramosjr7 I don't know about anyone else, but this copy and paste job from the Way of the Master just convinced me. Hallelujah and pass that sack of bullshit!
So stealing gum from a shop when I was 8, completely negates the £100s I have given to charity & the wrong change I have returned to shopkeepers?
My total fidelity to my wife means nothing because of the sex I had before marriage? Jesus died for my sins? BUT according to the bible, he isn't dead!!
Death is nothing to fear if you are an immortal, it's not much of a sacrifice if you KNOW you will live again, if it truly happened it was a worthless symbolic act!
@gramosjr7 whoop-di-fucking-doo! so you're saying if I close my mind to common sense until I die and then it turns out that there is a god I get to spend eternity with people like you......erm yeah actually I think I'll pass
@gramosjr7 Why would I worry about dying? When your dead, your dead. It's not like you get a mulligan or something. So why worry about it? Just live your life to the fullest and don't worry about things that are out of your control.
Has ANYONE ever proven this God exists? To my knowledge, no one has so why follow archaic laws written down 2,000 years old by barbaric tribe people? I think we've become much more civilized since then.
@gramosjr7 Oh yea, some cosmic jewish zombie who will make you live forever if you eat his flesh and telepathically accept him as your master. so he can remove an evil force from me that is present in humanity because a rib woman ate from a forbidden tree when talked into it by a talking snake. very plausible.
@gramosjr7 ever find it funny that God instilled in us all of the things he does not want us to do? doesnt that seem cruel? make lusty beings, and say, "do not lust!"
@gramosjr7 Have you ever told a truth? Have you ever been kind to another person? Have you ever been faithful to your partner? If so then by the same logic you are a truthful, honest, kind and faithful person.
Sorry bud - the world ain't all black and white like that, and if you keep taking your queues from Ray Comfort you will probably miss any chance of discovering this for yourself.
@gramosjr7 I've sang songs, danced (horribly), told jokes, cooked food, written stuff, and even filmed a few short home videos. Does that make me a singer, dancer, jester, chef, author, and director?
it's really nothing new paul,tfp may not be quite your avg christian but many of them come back to this fallacy. the atheist saying he does not believe in god(s) really does believe because he says he does'nt.
don't know where they get that so called logic from but it is total fail....
I remember watching tons of atheist channels and listening to many debates on issues, that was 3 years ago... silly how no one's arguments have changed since then.
TogetherForPeace has been on youtube long enough and made the same video enough times (all of his topics have been touched on at least twice by himself and people he is subscribed to) that he is now, officially, one of two things (maybe both).
Blind
Troll
Pick at least one, that's what jack is, because his position has been shown to be faulty on multiple occasions.
I actually will have to disagree a bit. While I agree that the burden of proof lies with the theist, you had the same reaction I did to that set of words. But in a few more minutes in, he explains that, in an argument, whoever is trying to change the other's mind, what I see the one who starts it. If someone says they believe in God and you try to change their mind, it's on YOU to change their mind, thus "proving" the Bible's false. A little twisted, but a valid point.
If your objective in the argument is convince him that he lacks proof for a belief, then you don't need to prove the bible wrong, do you? You can just ask for proof, and there shall be none, proving your point, thus winning the argument. Convincing is on another realm though..
At the very most, if the guy show some "proof", then you need to show whats wrong with it. In any case, if you don't state something, you do not have the burden of proof.
Actually no. the burden of proof does not exist in saying that the bible is false, but rather that there is not enough information to prove the bible is absolutely true. The only knowledge this claims is a lack of information which requires the other person to prove that there is evidence for these claims.
He knows this argument is disingenuous and yet he wants to play dumb and pretend like he doesn't understand that so that he can lay that burden onto atheists or people in general who don't understand that his argument is disingenuous.
Sounds like you're both confusing belief with epistemology. I have no problem saying I don't believe in Gods" its not an assertion of knowledge and it doesn't shift the burden of proof. In fact, "I believe there are no Gods", its essentially saying the same thing. I always seem it necessary to explain that I'm not making an assertion of knowledge and am completely open to believing as soon as someone can present evidence.
Saying, "there is no God (or Gods)" is more an assertion of certitude. However no one has problems with people saying "there is no Santa Claus". No one questions if you claim to know this as a fact. Also only an idiot would tell you its your burden of proof to demonstrate there is no Santa Claus just because you sound certain there is none. Its only Gods that get this special treatment. I guess this is mainly b/c we respect the concept of God a bit more than Santa.
Yeah.. it's so obvious that TfP understands the concept. I (and surely many others) have explained to him countless times that the words some atheists use are to remind theists that they have the burden of proof.
I don't think he's mentally retarded, so the only option left is that he's being really disingenuous.
You're gonna carry that weight
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KaiTendo174 4 months ago
WHat is so hard to understand about "I lack a belief in a god?" That is one dumb christian. If any of you watching are Christians, I would get rid of people like him. They make you look bad. Unless you are as ignorant as him.
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"Because it shifts the burden of proof onto the theist."
Well, yeah, it does. What a fucking stupid statement.
tommylehman 10 months ago
A bunch of douche bags trying to pass on their bag of bullshit that nobody wants.
LegionIscariot 10 months ago
Great rebuttal. It just earned you another subscriber.
MrFungus420 11 months ago
this is probably one of pauls best videos. other than the conan one. articulate and to the point. cutting throught the sea of shit with logic.
aaron234567890987643 11 months ago
It was explained to me that simply saying
"I do not believe in god."
can - in the philosophical circuit semantically be twisted around to mean
that you accept the existence of god(s), but just dont "believe" in them.
Thus making it absolutely clear that you "lack a believe" in gods takes care of this problem.
Also I think I am preaching to the choir here, right?
HaploidCell 11 months ago
A little kid has never heard the word god, or any translation/equivalent.... he's never thought of a being with any abilities beyond human capability... It's safe to say that this child is an atheist, right?... now.. some people show up, explain what god is, his powers, etc.... he still doesn't believe in god... but by your logic, he is no longer an atheist?... Knowing what you don't believe in is not acknowledgment of existence.
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This man is MY 'God'.
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If you say you do not believe in a god, you have not offered a position or said anything about you.
We cannot assume you exist if you "do not believe" since you did not believe when you did not exist.
A lack of belief is not anything so it is not atheism.
Atheism is a position on the existence of god and is a belief, and even though we can prove certain gods do not exist we cannot prove all proposed gods do not exist.
gklr 1 year ago
I am starting to study philosophy in Germany - and those kind of semantic word games are really starting to piss me off.
Whenever one cannot find a logical loophole in an argument, the only lever left to dismantle said argument is to try to make the words themselves say something in your favour.
So I have encountered "disbelieve = believe" on some levels.
And the sad thing is - really great minds have resorted to this:
People trying to defend Descartes dualism against the epiphenomenon-argument
HaploidCell 1 year ago
@HaploidCell,
Disbelieve is to believe something is false. You need to exist to disbelieve, you do not believe when you do not exist.
Like how disagree works. You cannot disagree when you do not exist, yet you do not agree when you do not exist. Saying you do not, are not... etc... does not talk about you, or about atheists when we say they do not believe in a god. It is true, but about what they are not, not true about what they are.
gklr 1 year ago
@gklr as I said - I am STARTING to study philosophy.
as I can see now I will have to pay attention to these things in the future.
Thank you for enlightening me - even if I maybe dont get what you were really saying.
HaploidCell 1 year ago
@HaploidCell,
No probs, read On Denoting by Bertrand Russell.... it's online and it's short. Let me know what you think of it and especially the parts that speak about the present King of France (who we know does not exist) having no hair and not being bald. The distinction is between primary and secondary predicates and Russell identifies them in that essay as primary and secondary statements.
Or not, it won't rock the world if you don't.
gklr 1 year ago
I think it's important to distinguish between a lack of belief and an active disbelief...
I am agnostic and I hold an active belief in the uncertainty of a "higher power".
A lack of belief - to me - is a the concept of Jesus to an Aztec or Mayan.
Active disbelief - to me - is the understanding of the concept of Jesus and rejecting its existence for whatever reason.
And there is the Agnostic's position which I mentioned above.
Zen0Jin 1 year ago
I know it might sound like i'm blowing more smoke up Paul's ass, and sounding exactly like a typical praise wielding replicant, but in my experience in speaking to creationists,
Christians and the like, this is the best resource that I've ever heard for assisting me explain my position as someone who lacks a belief in a deity. Thank you Paul.
SuperMassiveAtheist 1 year ago
Paul and the Amazing Atheist..damn they're awesome, they should team up and make some poignant history.
codern 1 year ago
When you say "I don't believe in gods" from monotheist's perspective it could mean you aren't a pagan, because it implies you could believe in the singular of the exact word god and not the plural... but when you say "I lack a belief in deities" you are implying a disbelief in every god, supernatural divine being, etc.... That is the way I explained it to my friend when I first had this argument, but yours is a lot more thorough and in your face... It's what the fucking theists need.
ThisOnesNotATroll 1 year ago
@ThisOnesNotATroll,
"but when you say "I lack a belief in deities" you are implying a disbelief in every god, "
False. You cannot imply anything about him at all, not even that he exists since he did not believe in a god when he did not exist.
A lack of belief in god is not anything, so it is not atheism. Atheism exists, it is real, it is something. A lack of belief does not exist, is not anything.
gklr 1 year ago
@gklr I could try to explain where you're wrong, but it wouldn't change your opinion.... Read what you've written... think about it., don't be an idiot.
ThisOnesNotATroll 1 year ago 3
@ThisOnesNotATroll,
Truths are not opinions. You could talk until you are blue in the face and not change the truth.
gklr 1 year ago
Pfft, agnosticism FTW. It's clear that a supreme architect or even a race of beings created our society, so I acknowledge their existence, but I also believe we cannot full well know the extent of their plans or even afterlife.
Xylogeist 1 year ago
Your fuckin cool! Good Vid Man! Keep it up.
semiLivedj 1 year ago
Cuz 'you' might have a belief in god, and might make the assumption that I need to believe as well.
MrBranboom 1 year ago
Yay for Paul! :)
DarkGaarafan17 1 year ago
lol pwnd
LokholarTheIceLord 1 year ago
Get video Paul!
samuraispacemonkey 1 year ago
You see I don't know how an intelligent person could ever believe in god. Sure the Bible teaches good moral values (according to what I've heard about it) but I don't know how people can believe in this deity. The only proof theist have about their religion is objects such as books and crap. Don't even give me that bullshit that it's in your heart and those other bullshit because what's in your heart/head is you wanting god to exist. A happy person doesn't need a god.
Madara0Sama 1 year ago
@Madara0Sama lol "good moral values". that's a good one. for a second there, i thought you were serious.
ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz 1 year ago
I think people want god/heaven etc to exist to make up for all the bad shit in life therefore they created churches and crap to go and pray which is how cry at how much life sucks. A lot of people are brainwashed to believe in shit. I myself was told that there exist magical monsters and a spiritual world. (Shamanism) I was told as a kid to believe in all these crap but never really experienced any of the crap that was told to me. But this idea was implanted into me and it will never disappear.
Madara0Sama 1 year ago
Jack's video response was pretty weak.
Madara0Sama 1 year ago
What microphone did you use to record this?
reticulianoverlord 1 year ago
Fantastic video.
It's all a big word game trying to turn a simple matter of being unconvinced into a positive assertion and all that would entail.
bowlsallbroken 1 year ago
In any case, a belief exists in spite of the truth, and, therefore, needs not to be founded.
MusicalEutopia 1 year ago
As my wife said to me, " i lack tate"
toelesshoe 1 year ago
unicorns don't like oats, they like manflesh
AnimeArchive1 1 year ago
I Strongly support this guy as well as Obama, Sarah Palin 2012, more wal-marts for everyone, more parking lots, boy cot alternative media, listen to fox news hail the tea party, lets work harder for free if we have to. Raise taxes help welfare they need us lets get rid of social security, how about free healthcare forced vaccines no abortions rally friends yesssss
I'm high with enthusiasm lets take it to capital hill.
NO MORE SCHOOL, More work, more babies
Please everyone pray with me for this!!
DicKinYurFace 1 year ago
I stumbled upon Jack's channel and subsequently this debate from Noelplum's main page, and I have to say that I'm surprised Noel would promote him. He's nowhere near on the intellectual level.
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Nice Big Lebowski stunt double.
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RockwellPorter 1 year ago
Great words dude. I agree on the burden of proof. They act like atheists are intrinsically inclined to disprove their God. No, they prove it to us or shutup. Not the other way around.
ruukiskittles 1 year ago
He's simply falsely quivocating 'don't believe in god' with 'believe there is no god.'
Great vid as always, Paul.
magx01 1 year ago
"its a question, Jack. That's for sure..." LOL
BeforeTheNoose 1 year ago
You gotta love Paul's videos. No graphics, no real editing or jump cuts, no scripts...
just a cam, a mic, and a flow of pure common sense and logic. Whenever I see one of his vids in my sub box I know someone is gonna have their ass handed to them.
Funkofmind 1 year ago
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@Funkofmind,
" a flow of pure common sense and logic"
Including serious violations of logic.
gklr 1 year ago
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Or you can type "I don't believe in god" (note that god is not capitalized).
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
Or you can type "I don't believe in god" (note that does is not capitalized).
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
Very well put indeed! I have often found that it is very hard to precisely state what you mean in these matters, and you have succeeded most admirably. I especially liked "disbelief" is not the same as "belief", i.e., not-A is distinct from A, and "belief is absent from me".
guyhill2 1 year ago
What really infuriates me me about the video that got replied to here is how he keep jammering on about "when they mean I don't believe in god, why do they say I lack a belief in god instead?". Retard! Thats the exact same thing - and the only reason peple use the latter is because it spells it out in capital letters in a way that no matter how you try to twist the meanings of words you can't do much about.
TheStigma 1 year ago
"That which is posited without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" - Christopher Hitchens
johnycannuk 1 year ago
Excellent video. You spell it out exactly. We try to short-circuit all the time-wasting word games by being more precise with our language, and what do we get? People playing dumb about what 'lack of belief' means. How demeaning for someone to be reduced to pretending they don't know that. Great exposure of that silly denial dance.
Favourited.
QualiaSoup 1 year ago 2
I think Unicorns like Virgin women.... don't ask why.
bodybag22 1 year ago
After thinking about ideas from Hume, Weinberg, and Ayn Rand, it became clear that agnosticism and theism are just position that use the word "god" as a big word game. The very word "god" is used without being defined. People merely use other vague, incoherent descriptions to describe god. They don't even have the faintest clue what they're talking about when they use the word "god". I mean,, supernatural? Wtf is that specifically supposed to mean? Nobody can coherently/sensibly answer that.
streetmagicstyle 1 year ago
damnPpaul, that old school microphone is badass as all hell! where did you get that from, I want one!
PageofLegend 1 year ago
Paul, I bet you hear this all the time; but if John Goodman ejaculated into the magically acquired - and functioning - vagina of Seth Rogen, the conception germinating within that man-womb, once grown up, would look alot like you. I hope you take that as a compliment, as I frankly can't imagine why anyone wouldn't.
iPhap 1 year ago 44
@iPhap That's a fantastic compliment - and a fantastic mental image.
PaulsEgo 1 year ago 34
@PaulsEgo he made it private. what a little bitch
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a lot of atheists like jack and think he's a swell guy. i find him to be a spiteful, wilfully ignorant, snarky troll.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
aren't all gods, be it zeus, yahweh, krishna, etc. just like separate rivers that all flow into the same ocean?
19fas88 1 year ago
Subbed, Favourited, Liked. Fin.
Naabenstadt 1 year ago
Paul, you're without doubt the best vlogger out there.
Hupsibasse 1 year ago
John Malkovichs' voice, yet still a dildo!!! Great job, Paul!!!
creepsomber 1 year ago
LOL!!!
JTODASUP 1 year ago
What happend to the nice living room with the big screen tv and the cute little dog?
mozezfreek777 1 year ago
Disbelief has two possible connotations.
One is scepticism without holding the diametrically opposing position as true, and the the other is scepticism and the belief in the diametrically opposing position.
Ephemerance 1 year ago
"I don't believe in God" and "I lack a belief in God" are both singular, referring to just 1 god. Both statements mean the same thing. Lol the unicorn thing was funny.
mattschol 1 year ago
in school i was lacked or i was lacked in school means i was absent from school...
huh?
sorry friend that did not make much sense
gerinja 1 year ago
can we come up with a new argument im bored of all that except the pedo thing and the no gays thing.
deckarx 1 year ago
you just pwned jack's ass!! ive enjoyed listening to your enlightening words my fellow atheist. (lol im serious...)
liranxs 1 year ago
"so i know youre not a retard jack"
paul.... why did you have to make me spit my drink over my screen... now my fucking keyboard is all sticky and shit. WANKER
fowellgolf 1 year ago
You remind me of TAA somehow, only you're not a prick (not to say i don't like him) :)
Unremarkable1000 1 year ago
Glad to see another spot-on video Mr. Ego, I'm glad the amazing TJ pointed you out back in the day.
ManDuderGuy 1 year ago
shockofgod thinks that the burden of proof is on the atheist because the majority is theist.
MacabreManifesto 1 year ago
*sigh* Jack . . .
BoozyBeggar 1 year ago
So yes, being an atheist (and by that, I mean a person who states with complete certainty that there is no god) does require belief, even if much, much less than being a theist.
enyvl 1 year ago
@enyvl a belief in what?
BCzepa 1 year ago
I agree with everything you say in this video, except for one thing. The lack of belief can easily be interpreted as a different kind of belief. Saying that no god exists does require a certain amount of belief.
I am sure we all are aware of the common thought that you cannot disprove God. Does a god exist though? From the evidence we can say almost certainly not. But that does not mean it doesn't, in fact it is pretty far from it.
enyvl 1 year ago
@enyvl
Have you ever read the God Delusion? The book talks about different levels of atheism. It may clear some up questions you have.
You are also suggesting that faith is required to 'believe' that banana fairies and 3 headed unicorns do not exist. Maybe so, but do you see what I'm getting at here?
I see your point and it is legit. I have also asked myself this same question. But not believing something until evidence is presented which proves otherwise is different from blind faith.
PrinceofCats999 1 year ago
@PrinceofCats999
Oh and excuse my typos :p
PrinceofCats999 1 year ago
@PrinceofCats999
I agree. Believing in something that no evidence exists for is stupid.
From the replies I have received to my comment, I am sensing that people want to turn me to atheism. That, however is unnecessary, because I do not believe in a god.
But saying with absolute certainty that no god exists requires belief all the same. I just call it as I see it.
enyvl 1 year ago
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@PrinceofCats999
"You are also suggesting that faith is required to 'believe' that banana fairies and 3 headed unicorns do not exist. Maybe so, but do you see what I'm getting at here?"
It takes faith to believe your world-view is an accurate depiction of reality.
Ephemerance 1 year ago
Come up with some new video ideas, fatass.
HomelessRapist 1 year ago
Great video! It's funny because it's true.
noblessus 1 year ago
Unicorns not only love oats, they also shuffle people's phones.
Yeah, iphones.
turcca 1 year ago
woah... that was impressive.
fauxman 1 year ago
We say we lack a belief in god(s) not to SHIFT the burden, but to REMIND the theists that THEY STILL HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF.
LazyTuba 1 year ago
@LazyTuba
well, only if your position is agnostic. if you believe that the thing does not exist, then you have some burden of proof, but not as much as the person saying it does.
dmgirl3000 1 year ago
The difference lies in if you say that you don't believe in god if you say that there ARE no god. Then you have a burden of proof. If you say that you don't believe in something means that you don't believe it, you are not trying to give any factual statement that in some way "runs over" other people's statements. Surely, a smart person has reasoning behind his beliefs, but that is another topic.
chemicheese 1 year ago
extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. logic 101
803brando 1 year ago
@PaulsEgo Part 1: As an atheist, you do believe that the universe as it exists right now - with all of the order and known lifeforms - can come into existence through a purely unguided "natural" process without the aid of any intelligence, intention or forethought.
Which is a belief that entails a positive claim. One, in which you must defend - but cannot.
See, the thing is - we don't know what the universe is... what time is... what consciousness is... what space is... which means, Cont.
theDracoIX 1 year ago
Part 2: that God exists. I'm kidding. I know you would probably love to lay a God of the Gaps on me, but that's not the point. Here is the point. Are you listening, you fvcking zombie-brained, lying sack of shit parasite.
THE POINT IS THERE IS NO GODDAMN DEFAULT POSITION WHEN IT PERTAINS TO CLAIMS ABOUT THE ULTIMATE NATURE OF REALITY.
NO! Atheism and/or Naturalism is NOT a fvcking default position. You must defend both through argument & evidence just like a theist.
theDracoIX 1 year ago
@theDracoIX atheism is because, you have had to hear of theism to become a theist, if you've never heard of theism...what does that make you? A atheist.
Now, can you stop trying to pass the burden of proof onto us? because when you have to pass it off onto someone else, it makes it look like you can't prove your side.
Also, to say that since we don't know something, that means god is real, is a argument from ignorance.
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@Krensharpaw fyi, I reliaze you were joking about the god thing, but just thought I should include that.
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@Krensharpaw I didn't pass off anything. I said theists must also present evidence and arguments for their claims. It's NOT on the atheist to prove a god doesn't exist. It's on the atheist to prove a competing worldview to theism. There is a difference.
If you aren't going to defend an atheistic worldview - then see your way out of the fvcking conversation because you're nothing but a pathetic troll.
theDracoIX 1 year ago
@theDracoIX Atheism isn't a world view, that's what we call a "strawman". Also, calling me a troll because I respond to your things is nothing more then a cope out and another strawman. This is a fine example of why I no longer waste my time with trying to reason with people such as yourself who aren't intrested in a conversation.
If you're goin to claim that a atheist has to defend a worldview, you first must prove how atheism is a world view and also prove your worldview.
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@theDracoIX @theDracoIX Also, theists do have to provide evidence, but they have yet to do that, so even if atheists had something to prove, they don't have to prove anything since there not the one's making the claims, theists are.
Also, I wasn't defending anything here, just pointing out the problems in your reasoning while also pointing out your logical fallacies. This might serve as a fine example in a future video of why I can't take theists as yourself seriously anymore.
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@theDracoIX anyway, not sure why I even wasted my time posting comments to you, guess being tired and thinking you might be here to have a debate and not preach made me make them, but I won't be repeating the mistake, thank you for showing me theists still can't put foward a argument without strawmanning and passing the burden of proof off onto someone else.
Anyway, have a nice day. :)
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@Krensharpaw Part 1: I didn't say atheism was a worldview - but nice of you to strawman me like that - you fvcking worthless sack of shit. I said atheistic worldview... meaning any worldview, which doesn't entail the existence of a deity.
How do you get from the Big Bang singularity to life, humans, houses, cities, computers etc. What is responsible for this? Natural Forces? What does Natural Forces mean? There is a claim here that must be defended, unless you say - I don't know, Cont.
theDracoIX 1 year ago
Part 2: in which case you have the same position as a rock.
To which I would reply - great fvcking use of your intellect. Do you really expect me to debate a fvcking rock? NO THANKS.
The whole point is this... the sole burden of proof is NOT on a theist to prove their worldview... meaning, that in the absence of this proof - there is some default worldview that must be accepted as true until a theist can prove otherwise. NO NO NO there fvcking isn't.
theDracoIX 1 year ago
@theDracoIX so anyway, this will be my last comment to you, because no doubt you will contiue to come up with horrible arguments, contiue to shift the burden of proof, contiue to strawman and contiue to act like you have an idea what you're talking about, along with also maybe insulting me or calling me a troll.
So I bid you farwell sir. If you wish to contiue to stay in your ignorance, then gl to you with that.
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@Krensharpaw Listen you worthless blood drinking nigger. This conversation is fvcking pointless... because both you and I already know - that you are a goddamn lying sack of shit... who is too fvcking dishonest to admit the truth.
You are a fvcking devil. A lying, manipulating parasite on the ass of humanity. There is nothing you can say to change this... I know what you are - you are a fvcking abomination.
Now, do humanity a favor and go die in a fire you lowly ass excuse for a real person.
theDracoIX 1 year ago
@theDracoIX Well that's one way to get me to comment, and the reason I'm doing this for is because this comment of yours just earned it's right to be in my 2nd video in my series "people say the DUMBEST things...", thank you for that, I really was looking for another comment and I just can't turn down such a comment as that so, thanks. :)
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@theDracoIX You said I had to defend a "atheistic worldview", so yes you did. Also, I wonder if you can make a comment without a insult, I don't think you have it in you.
It has been defended, look into science, you're asking for answers that you can find, you're alrdy on the computer.
What god would a rock worship?
Yes there is, until theists can prove there claims, there's no reason to believe them.
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
@theDracoIX Also, you're still shifting the burden of proof by asking a atheists to defend his "world view", without reliazing that the theists has to first since they are claimming there is a god who made the wolrd, etc.
I really think at this point I'm punishing myself by having this go on, I really hope I won't have to repeat myself, though this will give me some stuff for a video so, I guess I'll get something out of it.
Krensharpaw 1 year ago
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What will happen to you when you die? Have you ever told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain, or looked at someone with lust? If yes, then you are a lying, theiving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. When you die & stand before God you'll be guilty of breaking His law. The bible says you'll end up in Hell! But God sent God his Son Jesus to die for your sins, & He rose from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus died for your sins & was resurrected) you'll be saved!
gramosjr7 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 I don't know about anyone else, but this copy and paste job from the Way of the Master just convinced me. Hallelujah and pass that sack of bullshit!
PaulsEgo 1 year ago 56
@PaulsEgo Classic!
ndjm00 1 year ago
@PaulsEgo Unholy epic win! Fight the power and best of luck with the crusade!
creepsomber 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 sounds like a self help book
deckarx 1 year ago
@gramosjr7
So stealing gum from a shop when I was 8, completely negates the £100s I have given to charity & the wrong change I have returned to shopkeepers?
My total fidelity to my wife means nothing because of the sex I had before marriage? Jesus died for my sins? BUT according to the bible, he isn't dead!!
Death is nothing to fear if you are an immortal, it's not much of a sacrifice if you KNOW you will live again, if it truly happened it was a worthless symbolic act!
wordavee 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 whoop-di-fucking-doo! so you're saying if I close my mind to common sense until I die and then it turns out that there is a god I get to spend eternity with people like you......erm yeah actually I think I'll pass
TheNorthernPariah 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 Why would I worry about dying? When your dead, your dead. It's not like you get a mulligan or something. So why worry about it? Just live your life to the fullest and don't worry about things that are out of your control.
Has ANYONE ever proven this God exists? To my knowledge, no one has so why follow archaic laws written down 2,000 years old by barbaric tribe people? I think we've become much more civilized since then.
AGodlessProgressive 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 Oh yea, some cosmic jewish zombie who will make you live forever if you eat his flesh and telepathically accept him as your master. so he can remove an evil force from me that is present in humanity because a rib woman ate from a forbidden tree when talked into it by a talking snake. very plausible.
PageofLegend 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 Everyone looks at someone with lust in their heart because that's how nature programed us. Sorry.
SpiderWhiteYT 1 year ago
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@gramosjr7 "or looked at someone with lust?" so now i'm supposed to feel ashamed for being a human being? fuck you, and your god.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 ever find it funny that God instilled in us all of the things he does not want us to do? doesnt that seem cruel? make lusty beings, and say, "do not lust!"
PageofLegend 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 Have you ever told a truth? Have you ever been kind to another person? Have you ever been faithful to your partner? If so then by the same logic you are a truthful, honest, kind and faithful person.
Sorry bud - the world ain't all black and white like that, and if you keep taking your queues from Ray Comfort you will probably miss any chance of discovering this for yourself.
TheStigma 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 I've sang songs, danced (horribly), told jokes, cooked food, written stuff, and even filmed a few short home videos. Does that make me a singer, dancer, jester, chef, author, and director?
Awesome!
theblueo1 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 All praise to the Tyrant king Yaweh!
PhoenixFirewolf 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 awwwww, look at you. plagerizing someone else's words. you follow the example of the biblical authors. :-)
ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz 1 year ago
NOT being a dick or trying. but i got normal speakers, u got a HUGE mic, and i can barely hear you. great vids though
JonYodice 1 year ago
sweet vid
JonYodice 1 year ago
why do you speak like Mickel Jackson ? fag like
blackicelinkinpark 1 year ago
why do you speak like Mickel Jackson ? fagy.....
blackicelinkinpark 1 year ago
Nice video!
unicyclepeon 1 year ago
Really, really like your videos. Glad I found you.. :)
bewarethelizards42 1 year ago
not guilty doesn't equal innocent!!!
kapa1611 1 year ago
Wow, I really should watch your video before commenting on the "pre-requisite" video, since the points I made were already made by you.
jjmblue7 1 year ago
Great video, thanks :)
ashboxtoo 1 year ago
Unicorns don't like oats, they prefer corn meal.
freedom0speech 1 year ago
yes, yes they do.
DarkPrefix 1 year ago
it's really nothing new paul,tfp may not be quite your avg christian but many of them come back to this fallacy. the atheist saying he does not believe in god(s) really does believe because he says he does'nt.
don't know where they get that so called logic from but it is total fail....
hellshade2 1 year ago
Ah yes, classic PaulsEgo here. :) Explaining their own arguments to them. Great video man, keep them coming!
ColdRoland 1 year ago
I remember watching tons of atheist channels and listening to many debates on issues, that was 3 years ago... silly how no one's arguments have changed since then.
killbot9 1 year ago
Great stuff!
JesusSavesAtCitibank 1 year ago
Altho this vid don't go very far into anything imho, it's a good Paul video.
BeyondWrittenWords 1 year ago
I love vids like this. I'm glad i subbed.
JetpackNinjaDinosaur 1 year ago
Where's the Unicorn...... :(?
Sefearion 1 year ago
TogetherForPeace has been on youtube long enough and made the same video enough times (all of his topics have been touched on at least twice by himself and people he is subscribed to) that he is now, officially, one of two things (maybe both).
Blind
Troll
Pick at least one, that's what jack is, because his position has been shown to be faulty on multiple occasions.
LoogyHead 1 year ago 16
Unicorn oats!
kahisawheel 1 year ago
This will so go in one ear and out the other.
kaminarigaston 1 year ago
AMAZING!
rellik31486 1 year ago
I actually will have to disagree a bit. While I agree that the burden of proof lies with the theist, you had the same reaction I did to that set of words. But in a few more minutes in, he explains that, in an argument, whoever is trying to change the other's mind, what I see the one who starts it. If someone says they believe in God and you try to change their mind, it's on YOU to change their mind, thus "proving" the Bible's false. A little twisted, but a valid point.
SeriousPsyche 1 year ago
@SeriousPsyche
If your objective in the argument is convince him that he lacks proof for a belief, then you don't need to prove the bible wrong, do you? You can just ask for proof, and there shall be none, proving your point, thus winning the argument. Convincing is on another realm though..
At the very most, if the guy show some "proof", then you need to show whats wrong with it. In any case, if you don't state something, you do not have the burden of proof.
Sycco 1 year ago
@SeriousPsyche
Actually no. the burden of proof does not exist in saying that the bible is false, but rather that there is not enough information to prove the bible is absolutely true. The only knowledge this claims is a lack of information which requires the other person to prove that there is evidence for these claims.
Positive claims always hold the proof by default.
dmgirl3000 1 year ago
Subbed because of this video. Nice explanation.
Flyborg 1 year ago
@Flyborg Same here. Jack is a disingenuous, smug asshole. I'm so tired of his shit. Way to call him on it. Subbed, upped, and favd.
maverik713 1 year ago
Paul, Is that the Razer Megalodon headset you're using?
Blizzzzard00 1 year ago
He knows this argument is disingenuous and yet he wants to play dumb and pretend like he doesn't understand that so that he can lay that burden onto atheists or people in general who don't understand that his argument is disingenuous.
crablord 1 year ago
youd be a top knotch english teacher haha
purpleSun6292 1 year ago
It's been a while since your last LOLgical vid. Glad you're back!
stalinownsYOU 1 year ago
Unicorns eat rainbows. Everybody knows that!
oneiros666 1 year ago
@oneiros666 Uhm... are you stupid or something?
TheGreyDaisy 1 year ago
Sooo good Paul, never stop !
Seccanzz 1 year ago
How can anyone stay a theist after hearing that?
pentelesoikoon 1 year ago
It's interesting that the Anglo-Saxon root "lief," which means "to wish," is in the word belief.
Jesusfleabop 1 year ago
5:00 - 5:45 the one undeniable way to pwn a logical athiest, unfortunately there are none.
blakebutters1 1 year ago
Nice response. Harsher than mine, but maybe this way it'll sink in. I get a feeling he completely ignored my response.
darktango78 1 year ago
0 dislikes? it's a miracle !! :O
NobleBg 1 year ago
Thank God for Paul.
Hahahahaha.
TheAlbermarleSound 1 year ago
Sounds like you're both confusing belief with epistemology. I have no problem saying I don't believe in Gods" its not an assertion of knowledge and it doesn't shift the burden of proof. In fact, "I believe there are no Gods", its essentially saying the same thing. I always seem it necessary to explain that I'm not making an assertion of knowledge and am completely open to believing as soon as someone can present evidence.
AtheistKharm 1 year ago
Saying, "there is no God (or Gods)" is more an assertion of certitude. However no one has problems with people saying "there is no Santa Claus". No one questions if you claim to know this as a fact. Also only an idiot would tell you its your burden of proof to demonstrate there is no Santa Claus just because you sound certain there is none. Its only Gods that get this special treatment. I guess this is mainly b/c we respect the concept of God a bit more than Santa.
AtheistKharm 1 year ago
6 minutes in I realized that this is a new video :D Been a long time :)
philateliceun 1 year ago
Yeah.. it's so obvious that TfP understands the concept. I (and surely many others) have explained to him countless times that the words some atheists use are to remind theists that they have the burden of proof.
I don't think he's mentally retarded, so the only option left is that he's being really disingenuous.
Vinifera7 1 year ago
I LACK a belief in the Googly Moogly.
carrierules2008 1 year ago
Do unicorns like oats? Have you caught any unicorns with oats yet? There's your answer.
Shalek 1 year ago