Croatian war crimes -- Operation Storm

[evkcosweety]

Croats shame you !!! The next time I come over to your country, I spit on the floor .. but actually meant it in your head !!! Nato and USA shame on you that your eyes were closed ... I am not Serb but Belgium man who is ashamed that his country is the Nato nest

[Thief796]

The war crimes happened,that is true but they weren't planed,they wasn't so many crimes as Serbs say they always make stuff look like too big.I'm not telling that crimes didn't happen,I'm tellin' Ante Gotovina and Mladen Markac are innocent.

[Gogosrb]

@Thief796 The family's of the Serbs that were killed were beg to differ about that

[lovranhrvatska]

@Gogosrb A sta sa hrvatskim obiteljima? I Bosanskih? Ko njih jebe,a?

[Gogosrb]

@lovranhrvatska kad sam ja to ikad rekao??? Svaki zlocin mora biti kaznjen.

[FOLLINVZLA20]

MUSIC ?

[97bruin]

if milosevic didn't care about krajina why should we?

[xusko6]

All this video is about is lie. You're trying to mitigate all those crimes you did in Balcans history. Bad attempt to excuse for what you did. Serbian politics has always been dirty and full of propaganda. Nowadays they keep doing it. Few days ago Matica Srpska proclaimed Croatian literats Držić, Hektorović, etc. theirs. They still deny Croatian name, culture, land, because that's how they teach them in their schools.

[Gogosrb]

@xusko6 So the people getting shot is a lie ? As for the schools in Serbia, if only they did teach that those catholic Serbs were Serbs. We Serbs to not deny Croats their name & culture its just the Croats with help of the Vatican & Austria assimilated millions of Serbs & are now stealing Serbian history & proclaiming it to be its own, just like Croatia just tried to steal Marco Polo away from Italy

[xusko6]

Krajina was the first who attacked Croatia in Yugoslavia. We had to be equal, one nation, yet Croats had been inferior. Serbian politics was to inhabit Croatian lands and proclaim it theirs. Citizens of Krajina fled because they were ordered from Serbia(Belgrade) to do so. Their army killed innocent Serbs and that's yet to be testified in Haague, by Danmark UN soldiers who saw what they did.

[Gogosrb]

@xusko6 How can the Krajina attack Croatia? The Krajina Serbs did not attack area's where Croats were the majority accept when were attacking area's were Serbs were the majority. We Serbs have been living in the Krajina longer then the Croats even before the krajina was part of the Croatian medieval Kingdom. Stop spouting propaganda about Serbs being ordered to leave, that has already been debunked so much i am not going to say anything about it

[Gogosrb]

@xusko6 Also our army did not kill any Serbs, but the Croatian army did. As for testifying in the Hague, i can not wait for danish soldiers to come forward to testify about Croatian atrocities. Just a few weeks ago a Danish soldier came forward with evidence & testimony that Croats killed Serbs civilians, some of wich were disabled

[quabot]

Any war will break your heart.

I saw Srbrenica, Doboi, and a few others.

Most of the criminals from any war are heroes at home.

War is Hell.

I don't know what else to say.

Thank you for posting.

[TamoDalekoOo011]

Very sad,very tragic in this century.The killer are not punished again at is should and expected. Same as after World War II.

History repeats itself again,in great sorrow.

Vrlo tuzno,vrlo tragicno i u ovom vijeku.Ubice opet nisu kaznjene kako treba.Ista prica kao i poslije II svj.rata.

Istorija se opet ponavlja,na veliku zalost.

[HRVATSKAPRVAKSVIJETA]

What is about vukovar or sebrenica. There died more than tousand of peoples.

[Gogosrb]

@HRVATSKAPRVAKSVIJETA actually on both counts more serbs died in the regions then croats & muslims & in srebrenica around 2.000 soldiers as supposed to 1500 serbian civilians & 1500 soldiers

[OceanGOPro]

@Gogosrb Perhaps, but they were not supposed to be there!

[Gogosrb]

@OceanGOPro why not i both regions serbs were their for over a millenia so why not ?

[rambaldiCyber]

@HRVATSKAPRVAKSVIJETA Vukovar has been anti-terrorist action !!! Srbernica has been USA scenariao from movie "We like muslims but only when we can use them for our interests" ...

[UnknownGuy112]

Hah! And why didnt you show when your "brave" soldiers ren over YOUR civilians whit tanks?

SHOW IT!!!

[Gogosrb]

@UnknownGuy112 To bad you can not show some pity to to victims of the storm operation now you have tobring up disproven croatian propaganda as well

[KanchoKomancho]

For all of us in Croatia the truth is of the greatest interest. And the truth is that the Homeland War was defensive, legal, legitimate and libratory. Croatia was the victim of aggression and had the right to self-defence and the liberation of its occupied territories. Those are truths that no one can deny.

[Gogosrb]

@KanchoKomancho If truth was croatia's greatest interest you would know that the so called homeland war was Agressive, illegal, unlegitimate & ocupatory. You ocupied territories that was Serb (Given by both Hungerians & austrians & Tito) for centuries. These are truth only mostly former Serb today known as Croats deny

[Ms777Lena]

@KanchoKomancho That has nothing to do with truth! You can think what ever you want but not to call it the truth. Find here, on You Tube video where Tudjamn said "we need to do what ever it costs to make Serbs disappear". It started with throwing Serbs out of jobs, Ustasa symbols and hatred speaches. Serbs had a reason to be afraid and they were provoked to react. This is the truth.

[Dalmatinac3]

Srbi - Hrvati, zlocini na sve strane.

Many of these killers are still free yes, from BOTH sides. And what can we do about it here on Youshit, nothing, just keep on watching these videos and read some stupid comments of kids who werent even born during that war, sayings bs things. lol, does anyone even care reading my comment here, no prbly not, there is no point anyways. There is no point to any of this. Just dont let it happen again kids. We are all the same.

[Gogosrb]

@zvoneACDCrak i guess the people who were bombed knifed & shot would agree you completely.

[zvoneACDCrak]

this video is bulshit

serbians are liers

croats have not likkd civilians in operation storm, that was a operation for freedom and peace

after the serbian agresion of 4 years that operation storm was a salvation

pictures in 0:48 are meaby of crimeas that serbs don to us at 1:06 those are not from operation storm, they are muslims i saw that in another video

and people who runing avay who gives a fucj , that is not their land its ours, it is croatia

[Gogosrb]

@zvoneACDCrak Maybe crimes that serbs did? Who gives a fuck that people were forced out their territory they lived on for the past 500 years.

Thnk you very much

[CetnikLeader]

My best friend is Krajina-Serb and lost his home in Krajina. The Croats will pay for the genocide against our brothers from Krajina.

Republika SRPSKA Krajina!

[sarahjanewdc]

sure tha brits were just as bad

[QueenBeeSERBIAAA]

Ja sam cula da je bilo 500.000 Srba sto su izlazili iz Krajine?

[QueenBeeSERBIAAA]

The SERBS are the biggest Creative Brains of the UNIVERSE = Our Nikola TESLA (his ashes are in his TESLA Museum in Belgrade) is the BRAIN of all this Modern Tech which has hit the world since 1876, includ. the JET engine, car TV, radio, computer, all the lights + satellites, endless just check my Channel "roqsansa" for details on TESLA's work, who left 36 boxes full of New inventions when he died in 1943, which is the "Science+Technology" one should it Tesla-logy~ Helicopter, the first plane..

[MrRezz0]

Croatia is very nice and good country.

greetings from Georgia

[JecaMilicaSandra92]

Хрвати су богами невероватне демократе врло напредна нација,не дај Боже да смо такви (пошто је ово код њих "победа")..одмах би нас пустили у злочиначку ЕУ..иначе овај злочин се никад не сме заборавити...ово је хорор а не некаква војна акција..психопате болесне!!

[zgultras90]

we killed eachother...that is the point of war...war is hell...what few monsters did in the war has disgraced all true heroes of the war that fought for their countries, language, religion and identity...you see I as a Croat can admit that some ''soldiers'' did things that are not allowed even in war but i don't deny it...you Serbs on the other hand deny Vukovar, Srebrenica and Sarajevo(not talking about politicians I'm talking about common people)...and these guys were muslims not croats....

[mixpunk94]

Kad sam bio mali terali me odatle....Svi pevali lijepa nasa a ja BOZE PRAVDE

[007PurePleasure700]

This Never NEVER should happen again !!!! 

[jancsipl]

Zivela Srbija - Chetniks did not cooperated with the nazis during 2 World War

[MedoKojiZiviOvde]

@jancsipl haha they did and there are proofs in Nazis documents as well as Allied and Yugoslav documents.

[zigo1122]

@jancsipl but did with Italians :D

[mobilechief]

Screw all Nazis and those who want to be like them! All a bunch of wacko nut jobs!

[paddy6576]

god bless croatia.i am from ireland. we support croatia-kill all those serb sewer rats... pity hitler didnt wipe them out... 14+88 sieg heil. ss

[Gogosrb]

@paddy6576 this comment is for those that think Serbia iz an nazi ally

see how much those nazi & neo nazi fu*ks love us Serbs

[paddy6576]

@Gogosrb serbs are hated by true fascists like myself,,you are untermenschen meaning you are more like a rat than a human...in operation storm dozens of euro neo nazis fought for croatia against you...ps. do you like willow trees??? haha

[Gogosrb]

@paddy6576

This is what i mean

Thank you for explaining our true nature fascist

Now the whole world can see who we are.

(for those smart eneough anyway)

[five110]

@paddy6576

you nazi dumb fuck are the true "untermensch".

cause you cant see whats really going on.

serbia is the last bastion against the new world order.

and you nazi "untermensch" will be in near future mixed with other people from foreign countrys.so you will lost your identity and your souveranity.

so this is the proof that "untermenschen" like you have a Brain like a Rat.

"du ewiggestriges dummes Arschgesicht".

but i know you cant understand it.With a Brain like a Rat its difficult. ciao

[MrGrasak]

this is fake serbian propaganda

[Gogosrb]

@MrGrasak no it is not !!

[SlavicSuperman]

Ja sam bijo u toj koloni.

[MrKriscobra]

srbi ubijase hrvate u hrvatskoj , hrvati ubijase srbe u hrvatskoj , bijase to rat. potom srbi ubijase hrvate u BiH i muslimane u BiH, hrvati u BiH ubijase srbe u BiH i muslimane u BiH, muslimani ubijase srbe u BiH i hrvate u BiH, bijase i to jos jedan rat, potom srbi ubijase albance na kosovu,a albanci ubijase srbe na kosovu, bijase i to rat.

[Markonim]

Ehhhh I Believe Croatia Is In Bad Shape ATM... Worse Then In Yugoslavia... So Yeah... War Was For ??? For What? You Can See That Croatia Will Be Sold Soon!

[MARIOpIBTJ]

za sve ovo krivi su vasi tzv.heroji Milosevic,Karadzic,Mladic kojima se nudio plan Z4 u kojem bi vi imali svoju drzavu u Hrvatskoj kao danas u BIH ali ne vi ste htjeli sve,vasu Veliku Srbiju,eto sto su vam priustili ti vasi heroji sa svojom opsesijom Velike srbije,mi smo Z4 prihvatili a vasi vodje nisu a vas narod je bio uz njih i napravio pobunu u Hrvatskoj,zapitajte se zbog cega je doslo do toga,da ste htjeli mogli ste sprjecit rat,ali vas je vasa oholost,bahatost,lakomost kostala sve nas

[nemanjacolic]

@MARIOpIBTJ Taj plan je bio prihvacen i POTPISAO GA JE BABIC KOJ JE SMENIO ONOG KRETENA MARTICA... Ali Tudjman je odavno imao druge planove za Srbe i postoje neoborivi dokazi za to, tako da svejedno je izdao naredjenje u ponoc da napad pocne bez obzira na potpisan sporazum... Uostalom, HR je znala da je Srpski narod "neko" izdao i da ne moze da se brani... Pa vi na neke polozaje niste metak ispalili a ti nesretnici su dobijali naredjenja za povlacenje. Ali to je vec Srpska problematika.

[mrlega1988]

Možemo mi imat drugačije stavove, ali ovaj rat je super politički bio montiran na patnju malog čovjeka bio on Bošnjak, Hrvat il Srbin počevši od samog Vukovara, Posavine, do Oluje i zapadne Bosne.

[Ms777Lena]

@mrlega1988 tu imam potpuno isti stav! Mi smo, grešni, glineni golubovi koji su bili tu samo da bi ginuli, da bi valjda više mesta ostalo za moderne naciste, one iz američke vlade i njenih pravih vladara iz senke. Bilo nas je lako posvađati, nažalost! Srbi su tu najviše ispaštali jer Milošević nije hteo da dozvoli da se njegov suvrenitet oskrnavi američkom upravom Srb. Ipak, srećna sam što ćemo, kad sve ovo prođe, ući u istoriju kao jedina država koja se borila protiv američkog imperijalizma

[mrlega1988]

@Ms777Lena Shvačam da tu nemožeš biti totalno objektivna i naravno da ćeš prvo svoje spomenit, ali nisu samo Srbi, svi su ispaštali, Spominješ Miloševića pa on je ujedno najveći krivac za tragedije prekodrinskih Srba pod svaku cjenu je htijeo ostati na vlasti u Srbiji i kad je vidio da to neće moći bez pomoći izvana cjela kompletna njegova politika odrekla se Srba u RH, a prihvatila bilo što u BIH.

To nije američki imperijalizam to je globalizacija, a Srbije teži EU nitko se tu neopire.

[Rusofil1804]

@Ms777Lena

Svaka cast na komantaru, jedini narod koji se borio protiv americke sotone su Srbi.

[albafier]

i try hard to feel sorry about the serbs but l can't

l really think that just like snakes & sharks we don't really need them

[Gogosrb]

That from a people who dominates its society by maffia terror.

Albanians should learn the truth about themselfs.

It will set them free from the Maffia terror & tribal society that dominates them today

[zaqwsxcde46]

l'M USTSHA BY NATION,RELEGION,END BELIVE,SO YOU FUCK BRITIS BIST YOU FUCK ALL WORLD,YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT FEGS WIT SRBIAN TOO ANIMALS. WIVA 3 RAJH ZIH HAJL.

[Gogosrb]

at least your honest about yourself

[purplepilgrim90]

Officially the Serbs were asked to stay. Most of those that left - the 200 000 figure - were not forcibly removed from their properties. They left either out of adherence to an order from their government or out of fear of Croat revenge.

[Gogosrb]

Officially yes but as we can see unoficially their were forced out

[purplepilgrim90]

Is that you define 'forced'? Being asked to stay? It is a historical fact that Krajina Serbs either fled from the terror and revenge they believed to be oncoming or otherwise did so in obedience to an evacuation order issued by their government.

[Gogosrb]

When you ask someone to stay in his home & then send soldiers to his house it gets clear what your true intentions are.

When people get an evacuation order by their goverment those who got it probably left because of it, others rembemberd Gospic Vukovar medack pocket & were smart to leave, oters thought they would be save & endend up paying for it

[purplepilgrim90]

Soldiers were sent to combat the Krajina militia and paramilitaries that were resisting Croatian jurisdction over the region. They were not sent to do house-by-house searches and liquidation of residents asked to stay.

[Gogosrb]

well that is the official party line, but i am afraid it just is not true.

[Loverat66]

When was Belgrade ever in range of Croatian forces?

[martinsuper73]

So when you shelled Zagreb, that was a Croatian atrocity against you? When the Croatian army was in range of Belgrade and DIDNT shell it, what was that?

The Serbs are such hippocrits, on one side you talk about your undefeatable army, that has never really won anything, and on the other side you talk about being victims while you go about slaughtering.

And as always, your only comeback to this is that all Croatians are Ustasa, right? Get real!

[Gogosrb]

What was Medak pocket, Vukovar, Gospic etc etc

I already said the Serbs were not innocent in the war, but most Croats think they are or that their killing of innocent people just because their mostly not catholic is justified in some way

I do not believe that all Croats are Ustasa Many thousands fought with the Chetniks &Partizans in WW2

But a large portion of the Croat people did support the ustasa

utarnji list enquete says 40% of Croats today support Ustasa ideoligy What is that then?

[CikaDraza]

you are the only country that is still proud of being nazzi suporters and you have always supported this claim...more doesn not have to be said. Bunkers and positions taken by the proffesional serbian army from croatian scum, showed that the croatian army divisions used DRUGS to mmake them braver during battles. Just showing how cowardly u nazzis are. Remember the 800 000 civilian serbs killed in bosnia by croatians!!! and now u bomb colonys of civilians, with the help of america who armed you.

[defender11221]

ohhhhhhhh ok ok you are so right. i mean, you didn't start the war! you didn't send troops on all sides into Croatia, to occupy it and turn it into a "Greater Serbia"! No no that's completely absurd! why would serbs want to do that?

and you lying bastard, Croatia gave in all of it's "war criminals" just about immediately, and after around 10 or 15 years you finally give up Karadzic, and there are still more.

[Gogosrb]

Well no we did not start the war & except for a few volunteers & materials Serbia (Milosevic) did not send troops on all sides to 'invade' Croatia The Serbs 'invaded' Croatia in the 15th century

The Serbs of the Krajina fought for their survival of Croat tyrrany like they did in WW2& to unite with other Serb lands, but that came later

Did Gotovina, Glavas, Norac get extredited immediately? No

Karadzic & Mladic & all suspected war criminals should be tried by a fair court Not the hague

[martinsuper73]

You had all the weapons of the JNA and that were given to you. Its not like Croatians stormed in and started cleaning out villages like Arkan. Oh wait.. wasnt he a Serb?

You had a army, and you were soundly defeated. Furthermore, the Croatians didnt chase anyone out, YOUR military officers ORDERED everyone to leave, and practiced leaving three to four times before ANY operation happened!

[Gogosrb]

Yes we had weopons of the JNA. You attacked the JNA first with East - German arms.

You kill or burn a Serb village, the Serbs return the favor. War is brutal, but i did not support the war. I loved Yugoslavia, but it wasn't meant to be

The Serbs were driven out. Do not listen to overt Croat propaganda. You should look at the video

[defender11221]

hmmmm all my comments disappeared eh?! too much truth to handle?

[Gogosrb]

Hateful comments or comments that just blately insult people or races are deleted.

Also just spouting random propaganda without backing it u with facts, also warrants comments for deletion

[znjfl]

i agree that there where monstrositys from both sides.but just like to tell to some people not to listen to croatian propaganda you shouldnt listen only to serbian propaganda.war crimes where commited from both sides and i gave my best to learn everything about the war from all different sides not just croatian.Operation Storm wasnt an act of etnic cleansing.the truth is most of Krajina serbs where armed and killed croatian civilians and army men.

[Gogosrb]

Operation Storm was an act of ethnic leansing. I do not listen to Serbian propaganda. This vids shows Croats filming their own atrocities. If you woulld look to some older comments, you would see i don't support any crime, i just wan't to show that it wasn't the Krajina Serbs that started the war but Croatian Neo-fasiscts.

At thge end 50.000 poorly armed then abanded by Milosevic Krajina Serbs were attacked by US warplanes & the Croatian army that was 5 times bigger.

[italia28]

very well said but gogosrb i have the book rite infron of me its called croatia 1991 and rite here i qoute"the fight against the two countries were grusume and twisted but the fight for independence was started by the repblic of serbia planning a air attack on croatia and slovaniea and then proceeding to take the war to the ground the book s called croatia 1991 and the cover is of a croatian and serbian tanks side by side u may want to look it up again no disrespect to any of you serbians

[Gogosrb]

Look there are many books that claim that the Serbs started the war The point is that there are many more books (with prove) that claim they didn't Onesided books tell you nothing. Everbody thought that Italians were Hitlers minions, that they were animals like the Nazi's. My father was saved by Italians in WW2 Italians even though they were fascists helped save many Serbs & Jews during WW2

Books today still claim that the Italians were like the Nazi's. Find a book that shows the wole truth.

[italia28]

hmmm good point but gobsrb plz do not get upset with me im jus teling you from what i learned i am currently at a library as we speak and i am doing reasearch about it and so far out of 3 books all of them say that the serbians were at fault for the war now plz do not get upset with me i will keep looking for more proof until i am 100% convinced that what is right is right again no disresepect and plz do not get upset with me im not even a croat and by the way way to stand up for wat u belive

[Gogosrb]

I am not upset. I am glad your at least trying, that's more then most people do

[italia28]

hmmmm so i cameback anf found one book tht says th croatians instigated the war but i have taken b oth books ou and will contiune to read them

[Gogosrb]

That's the spirit.

Both sides can lie, but the truth almost always lies in the middle.

Watch out for propaganda books on either side.

Also some reporters who wrote books about the war, were labeled ''pro'' Serbian because they reported about Croatian warcrimes as well as Serbian ones. Try looking up some articles or books from former CNN reporter Peter Brock or former BBC reporter Misha Glenny

[italia28]

hmmm defintly will do this book i got really told me nothing but the ruins and momuments and horror of the war but ya for shuree ill check out the war but from reporters view good idea

[Lslavo]

pff the amount of war crimes by the serbs where incredibly more and lasted throught the entire war! There is only a small amount of suspected crimes at the end of the war caused by croats. Perhaps serbs shouldnt have invaded crotia huh?

[Gogosrb]

The Croats committed more war crimes then the Serbs. Bosnia is another matter, but if you are really interested in the truth you shouldn't just read Crot propaganda.

[znjfl]

Gogo none of this would have happened if you havent invaded us in the first place.raped and killed our women and children,slaughtered our men and the elderly.first 5 years of my life i have spent in the basement avoiding serbian mortars.operation storm was an act to end the war and free ourselfs from serbian ocupation...

[Gogosrb]

It only took you 500 years to free yourself from Serbian occupation. We Serbs never invaded Croatia. You Attacked the Serbian majority in Krajina first.

I am sorry for the effect the war has had on you, but you must realize that Serbian children of the Krajina have similar livestories.

[purplepilgrim90]

What evidence is there that the Serb-majority of Krajina was attacked first? Are you familiar with accounts that elucidate the ethnic cleansing of non-Serbs in that territory? Can such action seriously not provoke response from the Government within its own territory?

[Gogosrb]

Ask Josip Boljkovac former Croatian minister of the interior, he stated that the Serbs were attacked first. Google this

[Gogosrb]

The territory that Croatia was given after WW2 by Tito had a constitution that stated that the Serbs were a constitutive nation in Socialist Croatia (a status they got from austria a few centuries earlier as well) When Croatian neo fascists reverted this status & started attacking civilians the Serbs forming their own entity responded in kind by removing the small minority Croatian populace that remaind in that entity

[Gogosrb]

Not that is is a good thing but at least all of them survived, wich can not be said for the serbs in 95

[purplepilgrim90]

Constitutive nation or constitutive people? There is a difference. Besides which, the 'response' to remove the Croatian minority was still not justified. The RSK claimed jurisdiction even over settlements that were Croat dominate, such as Kijevo. A/c to Wiki: "Milan Martić laid down an ultimatum to the police and inhabitants of Kijevo, asking them to leave", which they finally did after their settlements were destroyed by Mladic.

[Gogosrb]

They were a constitutive people in socialist, but also a nation since socialist Croatia was first made as a federation in 1944. The Serbs had the right to secede just like Croatia did. That they took some territory that did not belong to them is unfortunate but again even though they were forced out at least they survived

[purplepilgrim90]

I'll need to see some evidence for the apparent constitutional right of Serbs to secede from Croatia. Furthermore, yes they did take territory that didn't belong to them because they found it would be difficult to function as a state if they did not take Kijevo. But in the same respect Croatia found it difficult to function geopolitically as a state without Krajina (since Croat roads to tourist hotspots were being obstructed).

[purplepilgrim90]

By the way, if Serbs have the right to secede from Croatia... then you should, by logical extension, accept the right of Kosovo Albanians to secede from Serbia.

[Gogosrb]

The differnce is Serbs have lived in the Territory that is Croatia since the 7th century AD & became a majority in 15th century gaining constitutive rights from Austria

Albanians altough present as a minority in Kosovo became a majorty population after WW2 & killing/ expulsing Serbs ever since.

Serbs have not only historical right to Krajina but also a political one, Albanians who's political history has been distorted for centuries has no real right to kosovo at all

[purplepilgrim90]

And Croats have lived in that same area for how long? Only to be removed from their ancestral lands by an illegitimate govt. The RSK became illegitimate if not before then as soon as it began ethnic cleansing. And if you are going to argue that a Krajinan State should exist on grounds of historical continuity then for this nation to be continuous its capital must be Vienna, not Knin, and it can't be called the 'Serb Krajina' because it was not called that historically.

[purplepilgrim90]

But the truth is that the Serb claim on Krajina was not historical. (If it was then we should have seen a Vienna capital and a whole different set of national symbols, not solely Serbian ones, AND no proposal of union with a 'Greater' Serbia). The secession was based on ethnic claims, and consequently you cannot deny the ethnic claims of other peoples, including Kosovo Albanians.

[purplepilgrim90]

You say that you can deny Kosovo's claim to independence on ethnic grounds because they apparently became a majority due to the killing and expulsion of Serbs. Likewise, I could claim that Serbs cannot lay an ethnic claim on Krajina because they only became a majority due to migration to escape Ottoman dominion.

[purplepilgrim90]

If your claim on ethnic grounds were to hold... then hypothetically I could send every Croat alive to Belgrade and it would suddenly - on ethnic grounds - become a Croatian city! It isn't okay for a people to first settle in an area and later kill the local residents and take their land (as happened in the 90s), but what makes it okay for a people to migrate to an area not belonging to their state and then later claim it does belong to that state? It's annexation by migration.

[Gogosrb]

The point was tAustria settled the Serbs in the Krajina after thousands of Croats left en settled in what's today Slovakia. To use the the newly formed Serbian majorty as a buffer to the ottoman empire.

My point is that the serbs have more historical & political right to Krajina then the Croats do. We Serbs settled in the area first & we became an absolute majority because you fled the Ottomans before we did

[Gogosrb]

Your point of Vienna becoming the capital of the Krajina is a wrong. Serbs were living in Krajina long before it became Austrian or Hungerian territory.

The seccesion was based not solely on ethnic claims of historical or political right but of a real fear that serbs would be yet again endangered by a resurgence of Croatian fascism.

[ProphetLuong]

@Gogosrb Why didn't the Serbian government and military help the poor Serbs in Croatia? Afterall, didn't WWII teach the Serbs anything about how demonic Roman Catholic dogs are?

I am very upset about this!!! Maybe with help from Russia and other anti-Catholic nations, the Serbs will recapture the Krajin Republic. Amen.

[purplepilgrim90]

Actually, during that time, the Serbs only held relative majority in Krajina. Besides which, Serbs can only claim a continuity if they refer to the old Vienna Government. You point out that Serb settlement began before that. In which case historical continuity would refer it to Zagreb even prior, but never Knin (not until 90s).

[purplepilgrim90]

As we can see then, claim to statehood on the basis of historical continuity means either: return of Vienna-based governance (as per history), OR Zagreb-based governance (as per history), AND NO use of Serbian national symbollism in the state (as per history). The fact is the RSK only used the historical continuity argument superficially. If properly applied, the argument would actually mean the occurrence of the above situation.

[purplepilgrim90]

Furthermore, I do not see how it is just to allow annexation by migration. The Serbs who migrated into the Krajina should have been aware that it was officially the 'CROATIAN military frontier', and that logically the territory would be reintegrated at some stage. They brought with them their Serbian identity and culture, but NOT the jurisdiction of a Serb State.

[purplepilgrim90]

And in relation to Kosovo. you say that they cannot have the same right as Serbs in Krajina because (a/c to you) they became a majority through subsersive means. BUT consider this, the present population cannot be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors (you don't inherit your fathers sins), in which case you can only look at the raw fact: they are a majority and can invoke the same right you give to Krajinan Serbs.

[Gogosrb]

Uless we all say that is ok for a people to first settle in a area later kill the local residents & then take their land

[purplepilgrim90]

Attacked first by whom? Croatia's not-yet-existent military or its police force? Where was the first attack? What was the justification?

[Gogosrb]

MArtin Spegelj defense minister of croatia stated that before the war even started Croatia had over 80.000 armed men ready for war. Not counting paramilatary forces loyal to Tudjman

Google statements by Josip Boljkovac

[purplepilgrim90]

I am familiar with that clip. Spegelj said that they were prepared for war. But that doesn't answer my question: Where was the first attack and what was its justification?

[italia28]

hey dont act all innocent u guys were to blame more thn the croats im all italian nd have nuthing against u guys and say this with full respect to all of u guys but i did a project on this war and the serbs used to rape women in order to get them pregnant with serbian babies in hope of the women to kill themselvs or have the baby u wuld destroy churches and monuments over 200 yrs old and u wuld take kids on a bus and trick parents into thinking u wuld take the kids to safety but instead kil thm

[Gogosrb]

i never said we ''guys were completely innocent. Croats & bosniaks destroyed our churches, so we destroyed theirs. All sides committed atrocities. Just as many Serbian woman were raped as well, but no one cares about them you should not listen to propaganda that says that Serbs planned those rapes. As far as taking children from their parents goes, not even the worst Corat or Bosniak nationalist claimed this so where did you get this from?

[italia28]

u see but if im correct (do not hold this against me) but u guys wanted war and started by first bombarding the cros from the air then demolishing the grounds churches homes etc. like i said no disrespect infact i shake ur hand in standing up for ur country but both countries one worse thn the other they both went for innocent ppl and harmed the ppl who comiited no crime and btw this project was alittle while ago so i cant say i remember where i got it from but a few websites and alot of google.

[Gogosrb]

Again youre wrong. The Croats armed with East -German arms attacked the Yugoslav Federal Army (YPA). They started killing people & demolishing churches first.

Serbia never invaded Croatia. Serbs who have lived for centuries in the terretory of Krajina, armed themself in defence. Yes Serbia helped with arming the Krajina Serbs, but for a few volunteers, that was all.

[purplepilgrim90]

Some records show that 4000 paramilitaries were sent when called for. That is more than a 'few' volunteers; that is a small army.

[Gogosrb]

This time i completely agree with you

[sirpommes777]

waah... my PC seems to be retardet... i wrote three times the same, and i didnt see it ...

Extremists are on both sides. Yes, in Croatia is a huge Fascist szene. I hope we will deal with them.

And i also hope that Srbija will deal with their extremists...

All sides in this war did cruel and wrong things. (my cousin was in HOS, now he´s in psychiatric Hospital - i know why...)

This war was absolut stupid - in ten years we´ll be all united again - in the EU

[sirpommes777]

In one point you are right. We have to learn from our history.

But please dont come with the old WW2 story. Jasenovac is not my generation. The murderers are all dead or very old.

And Krajina was never ever Serbia. It was under the Turks, under the Hungarians and under Croatia.

And we Croatian setteled Serbs there to protect our borders against the Turks.

But this is history and past.

Croatia was a socialistic republic in the SFRJ. And our borders where the same like today.

[Gogosrb]

I am not blaming you for WW2. Croatians didn't settle Serbs in Krajina, the Austrian & Hungarians did. These borders of today were written by Tito to benefit Croatia.

[sirpommes777]

Yes... Austria & Hungary did... we were under them. Our Bans searched for the serbs, cause they were good warriors.

Later they wanted them to leave, but the emperor said "no"... i know that.

But why is it serbian country then ? It would be the same when the german turks which came to work to germany, could have their country in germany.. btw..

PS: Fuck my english

[Gogosrb]

I was talking about a time before your bans came to power, when I was talking about Serbs settling inside of the area of Krajina.

If we had divided our ethnic territories after WW1 we could have had peace today, but we didn't. 2 world wars have changed the ethnic make-up of the former SFRJ. What was a Serbian land 100 years ago today is Croatian Maybe if we divide the former SFRJ in terms of majority populace (everywhere were Serbs/Croats are above 60 percent) becomes Serb & vice versa

[sirpommes777]

well... both sides did it 1991- 1995. Now ethic borders are made.

But i´ll never understand why the serbs drove out the croatians in 1991, and why the croatians did the same in 1995... sorry, but this has nothing to do with state borders.

[Gogosrb]

Well if you want to understand you will have to review our history of the past 100 years. But here's a quick answer for the now. 1989 -- 1991 Croats harass Serbs, commit crimes & drive them out. 1991 Serbs return the favour. In 1995 the Croats drive Serbs out which was their goal from the beginning & made Croatia the most ethnically pure nation of Europe.

[sirpommes777]

Its True. We croatians did some War Crimes in 1995.

I think every "krajina-serb" knows why ?

Let me refresh your brain:

What happened in 1990-1991 ? Who killed our people in OUR Land ?

"Krajina" was never serbian Land. Serbs setteled there, but thats all.

I wish all this shit never happened, but the majority of serb and croatian people wanted it.

They believed in propagand. Both.

THATS true.

Serbs have lost the war, so they had to leave. Just like the germans in 1945.

[Gogosrb]

First of all you killed more Serb civilians in 1990-1991 that we did Croatian.

Krajina was a Serbian land. In this area there were always Serbs. You were not in control of the Krajina the Hungarians & Austrians were.

& why do you compare 1995 with 1945. We did not kill 6 million Jews, 20 million soviets etc etc. I mean we Serbs didn't mass murder Croats after you killed 600.000 in Jasenovac 1941-45 (when you ere Hitler's partners.

[Gogosrb]

It true there was a lot of propaganda but we must stand above that or we will repeat our bloody history one again.

[sirpommes777]

These people who did the crimes in 1939-1945 are old, maybe dead. It has nothing to do with the war in 1991-1995.

I cant hear this "argument" any more... we killed more, you killed more... and blablabla..

Its our history. Sad but true.

But you are wrong. In Yugoslavija there where republics, and the SRH (socialisticka republika hrvastka) was one of them. These where our borders.

Who cares the time before 1000 years ? Or 100 years ?

I´m living today. And i hope my children wont see a war.

[Gogosrb]

These ''old people'' helped finance the HDZ party. Those old people brought hatred of Serbs in younger generations. Does it matter that the Serbs were a majority in some areas before WW2? Well at least until Serbs ethnically cleansed from those areas. Then to top it all of Tito rewards this by giving Croatia large borders

[sirpommes777]

yay... the old WW2.

Its not our fault. The people who are guilty for Jasenovac are old or dead.

Its our history, but the most croatians arent proud of it. So dont always come with these old stories.

Croatia has become his bordes after WW2. Who cares what was before 100 Years or 1000 Years. Croatia was a lot of bigger, and smaller.

Just like Serbia. Serbia now lost Kosovo. Its the same with our Krajina. Its our Land just like Kosovo is yours.

[Gogosrb]

I also hate to drudge up bad history, but that's all we Serbs have left. We have been betrayed by our own naiveté & our leaders. We have been divided & demonized.

I do not hate regular Croats. So many Croats fought with the Serbs against Austria -- Hungary & in WW2 with partisans & chetniks against the axis. But I tire of seeing Croatian youth celebrate the Ustasha. I just fear when I see 60.000 Croatian youth doing a Hitler salute & screaming WW2 fascist slogans (Thompson concert).

[lanesce]

Serbs lived in Krajina for hundreads of years, but the Croatians? Did they ever constitute the majoritiy in Krajina? Never! So they didn't have the right to chase 250.000innocent civilians from their homes, just because of the borders Tito made!

[larinovi]

this video is a typical serbian bullshit

[Gogosrb]

The truth is never bullshit.

If you go to larinovi's channel, you will see many Croatian WW2 neo-fascist insignia & glorification of them.

Neo --fascists like him hate the truth, because it is a mirror of their dark souls.

[lanesce]

Hvala Gogosrb za ovaj video! I ja sam iz Krajine. I svaka ti cast sto ti se da odgovarati na hrvatske komentare. Pozdrav!

[WatchThisYall88]

Why did the Croations want the Serbs out then when they had been there for hundreds of years? Who really started the war?

[Gogosrb]

While in the beginning Serbs & Croats were partners againstHungarian dominance over territories claimed by Croatia today, some Croat leaders preached hatred against the Serbs. This was in part doing to their devout catholic nature & irrational fear of orthodox Christians which Serbs mostly are. That's when the first problems started between Croats & Serbs.

This latest war was started by Croat extremist politicians who ordered attacks against the Yugoslav Peoples Army (YPA)

[Domasic]

soo serbs were soo mistreted in Croatia that they had to leave? and tell me why are the serbs fleeing from CROATIA and why during the war no CROATIANS feld serbia???

[Gogosrb]

They didn't have to. There were some incidents in Vojvodina, but only minor ones. The Serbs din't hate Croats enough to kick them out, but why did Croatia hate the Serbs so much.

Croatian hatred of Serbs comes from Croatian leaders who wanted a pure Croat state, influenced by unfounded hatred of Orthodox christians. Serbs & Croats were once partners in the Hungerian province of Croatia - Slavonia, but became enemies because of those kind of leaders.

[defender11221]

1) It was all OUR land from the very beginning.

2) JNA started the Goddamn war

3) If you think what croats did to serbs was bad, why dont you find what they did to us?!

Ajde f**kn dont post stuff you dont know about.

[Gogosrb]

1) It was not your land from the beginning (Kroabatia ceased to exist in the 12th century then it became Hungerian/Austrian & it wasn't yours again until 1941)

2)You attacked the JNA first with East-german arms

3) The few true crimes that the Serbs committed pale when compared to yours.

(Medak pocket, Blesak / Oluja)

AjdeF**kn don't post stuff you don't know about

[ccSerbiancc]

omg i cryed a whole lot

thank god i escaped or i would have been one of those dead ppl

CCCC

♥

[pakman787]

THATS RIGHT THEY DO thats why the serbs have lost kosovo!!! Croatians invite the serbs to come live in thier land during the ocupaction of serbia by the ottomans but even after hundreds of years born and raised in croatia they stayed loyal to a pig f**ker in belgrade.You serbs have to learn how to respect others if yous want respet back.

[Gogosrb]

First of all you Croats did not invite anyone. The Austrians did to cover their own ass from the Ottomans. In the Hungarian province of Croatia -- Slavonia we were recognized first as an indigenous people. You lost your statehood back early in 12th century. It not our fault that your angry of your partly Serb heritage. Go read works by people like Matija Katančić & learn some real Croatian history, I am getting tired of deluded people like you.

[Aleksandar1990]

Heartless scum... everyone will get what they deserve in the end

[Balkandzijka]

Hrvastka je zemlja demokratska-cista etnicka drzava nikada ne moze da bude demokratska!!!

Hiljadu puta sam pokusala da dam odgovor ZASTO HRVATI TOLIKO MRZE SRBE?Srbi ih nisu mrzeli dok nisu poceli da ih kolju,bacaju u jame,pokrstavaju i proteruju.Ako ima pravde zasto uvek strada nevini narod - sta su ti Srbi u Krajini zgresili Hrvatima?Toliko nepravde na ovome svetu ne samo prema Srbima...znate mislim da bi trebao da bude cilj covecanstva da se bori protiv zla.Biti covek,a ne Srbin,Hrvat...

[HotSerbChick1]

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[NUSRPKINA]

Svaka cast Gogo1616 brale ko ovo kaze daje propaganda Srpska to laze,A ovo je ziva istina.Asvima nama Srbima je zao za nevini narod sta je poginuo, a onaj ko je to trazio on ga i dobio onako kako mu to i treba.CCCC

[ivostjepan]

a tuzan video ...

ali i tipicna srspka propaganda ...

srbe su tijerali muslimani i hrvati iz bosne... 2 miljuna refugee u nasom ratu... hrvastka je tjerala oko 150 200 tisuca srbe iz krajne... i ostalih... 1700.000 ljudi ?... nije to nista.. ako usporedimo ..

rat je bilo i pa proslost je.. svi su bili krivi, nije nikad bilo potrebno ratovati.. a sad samo mrznja ima prije rat nista..

pravi hrvat sam ali se zalim zbog hrvati srbe muslimani i svi koji nisu mogli prezivljavati...

adje bok !

[Gogosrb]

Pa je tužan video Ivo, ali ovo nije propaganda već video o unapred planiranom zloćinu

Što se tiće izbeglica, nemoj zaboraviti gde su prebegle. Desetine hiljada Muslimana tokom i posle rata prebegli su u Srbiju (Sabać, Beograd itd). Srpska strana nije kriva za sve izbeglice. Koliko su Hrvati Muslimana isterali naprimer iz okoline Mostara?

Meni je isto žao za nevine žrtve rata, ali Srpske žrtve niko ne pominje i omalovažavaju ih Ja se tome protivim.

[WatchThisYall88]

Thanks, that brings more clearity to the entire situation.