The typcial neoconfederate lies about the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions somehow stating that the US is a compound of States instead of a union of the American people…
@PersonguydudeWB Go take a history class. George Washington, the first President, and the politicians at the time, many of whom WROTE the Constitution, had trouble interpreting just what it meant. Jefferson favored strict construction, Madison favored loose construction. I'll leave it to you to find out what those mean. "General welfare" can mean a lot of things, especially considering that the United States can be this land, this people, or both. Good luck becoming a Constitutional scholar!
H.R. 3590 gives the federal government specific access to individual bank accounts and medical records as provided by that individuals health plan. The government may monitor an individuals finances and medical records electronically. America, whats in your wallet?
When states nullify federal legislation, they are "interceding," i.e., placing state government between the citizens of that state and the federal government. If the states take on this burden, they better make damned sure that such action is in the best interest of the majority of its citizens. Otherwise, the states are being just as tyrannical as they perceive the federal government of being.
Its ironic because I ONLY see in the majority its only white people that are pissed off over this and every other injustice the goons in DC shove down OUR throats! Think about that.
No one puts it into a more fair perspective than the Souther Avenger, Jack Hunter. BTW he will be filling in for Mike Church this Thursday and Friday, April 1st and 2nd. This will be SA's first time going National! Please tune in!
you weren't listening...thrown out of what? if the states decide to nullify,thatis it-done deal...then it is up to the feds to deny the states rights and attack militarily...or not
Im British. and im honestly saddened to see this kind of thing happen.
I have so much respect to the REAL people that made and built the United States, these men went toe-to-toe with the strongest army at the time and won their freedom. and its just been progessivly taken away over decades/centuries to the point its been distorted by law
wake up america. your being destoryed from within by people making their own financial gain
Its not, there are a number of constitutional arguments for it, the most prominent being the broad digression that the commerce clause give congress, but more importantly the founding father did not think that the government requiring people to buy things was unconstitutional. In the Militia act of 1792, signed by George Washington, required every man between the ages of 18-45 to buy a musket or flintlock, a bayonet, a belt, a rucksack and appropriate ammunition.
Honestly, this is one of the greatest videos I've seen on You-Tube: articulate, informative, effective, and downright inspiring. Thank you, southernavenger. You're one bad-ass. Love your strength and intelligence. Fight on!! We're with you!!
I've always said, "Once the White Guy loses control over America... we're all done for." Now the White Guy has been taking a nap for a little while... and while the cat was away, the mice have come out to play: mostly niggers, women, and homos. But fear not -- for the sleeping White Giant is waking up. He's waking up all over the country... and his big fucking boot is about to stomp all over hell. Nothing is more formidable than the American White Guy. God bless him.
The states CAN do this. They just have to take action. Like it or not, they are the only political organization which now stands between people and the feds that can get something done quickly and authoritatively. They can make it very difficult for the feds to function. They can insulate citizens from federal tyranny.
It's not even a fight if you just cower all the time. If you resist at the state level, you force the feds to back down or increase their tyranny, thus exposing them further.
Ahem, mandating that people have health insurance was a Republican alternative to the Clinton plan in the '90s. The policy was first put into place on a state-wide level by a Republican governor. (And it's perfectly fine at the state level.) This will cling to the GOP's necks like a vampire bat.
It's so easy to nullify Obamacare. All the right wing sociopaths have to do is refuse medical treatment on ideological principle if they have a life threatening condition. That would be much better than the 50000 people who die needlessly each year from lack of medical insurance coverage.
@gzX9bVq6k No one every said you can opt to have it in your state. You can have it while other states can nullify it. Your choice is maintained is so is ours. How can you say that is wrong?
It's funny how you describe victims as "sociopaths" rather than the criminals who impose corporate fascist medical tyranny on hundreds of millions of people who DON'T WANT IT.
If your fascist control freak ripoff scheme is so good, why do you have to use VIOLENCE to get people to use it?
You have nothing to offer but irrational propaganda and the use of FORCE against your unwilling victims.
@gzX9bVq6k Better to die a frre man than live as some Quisling lackey dependent upon some one else for every thing. I wont pay. Put me in jail. Fuck you get a job leave me and mine alone.If this is so wonderful, why did Pres. Obonehead have to hire 16000 more tax cops to enforce it?
Dumbass. They aren't going to get care from Obama. They are going to be forced to pay for expensive "coverage" while the govt declares the insurance company do not have to offer serious care (they can even punish them for offering expensive care).
Yeah, there are libertarian sociopaths who think nobody who can't afford it (most of us) should get serious health care. Then there are corrupt bastards in the so-called political "center" who make us buy inflated insurance from private companies
If government was affording itself and paying its bills and not driving the future generations to enslavement in its debt
If government wasn't fixing costs in the entire industry, and instead, reformed the whole foul thing instead of propping it up and applying another trillion dollar bandaid to it on the way to our bankruptcy, you'd have a great point.
Nobody should die from lack of coverage, but this isn't the way.
It's time for the governors to grow a pair and refuse any fed interference in state affairs - no more mandates, no more fed $'s, no more kow-towing to fed demands. Kick the feds out of the states - no fed agents allowed to engage in any activity without state permission, no fed presence within the state without state supervision and monitoring, no more cooperation with fed agencies that violate state laws.
However, for nullification to truly take place, state leaders and officials must be unified. There are too many backstabbers who run as state officials but do the federal governments bidding. Also California will attempt to loosen the Marijuana laws yet again this November.
It's a Federal law CamelToeHo. Not a State Law. The States can change state laws and have to follow the federal law. now we have to ask where did the federal govt gain the power to pass this law? Who gave them the power?
It wouldn't hurt, too, if we had more politicians who actually knew economics, rather than half the electorate totally shunning true economics for some bonehead pro-gov't version of it they like to fancy up as "Keynesianism."
Things would be so much simpler if the feds and states got out of our hair and treated us like CONSUMERS who can make the right choice when informed, instead of dumbasses who need all the gov't help they can get, so the "evil" insurers don't "screw us." But of course, that's unlikely to happen. Liberal politicians and bureaucrats love feeling like they're helping people and being all paternalistic, even when they're hurting them.
And esp. even worse is having healthy patients pay for sick ones who are sick due to their own irresponsibility, not b/c of heredity or some unforeseen medical condition or birth issue. Like someone who's obese. Or has lung cancer from smoking. Or drinks too much. they should have to pay HIGHER premiums, goddammit. Risk requires compensation
Of course, the CBO's projections that premiums would go down is merely assuming that insurers take into account all the new healthier patients insured and then using those new patients to offset the premiums of sicker patients, in turn "equalizing" premiums. But of course, how moral is that? Having healthy patients pay for sick ones, esp. in PRIVATE insurance plans that we voluntary choose? or should choose anyway
Insurance mandate at the national level will undoubtedly lower the quality of insurance since the feds will, no doubt, ask for MORE regulation of insurance in the future and all kinds of expanded minimum coverage. This won't be the last of them. Mandates follow mandates. The gov't has no incentive to just back off after they tell you to buy something you may or may not need. And in turn, the premiums WILL go up. Don't buy into that bs that they will drop significantly.
Like pre or postnatal care. Why should the male patients have to pay for that coverage? It potentially benefits 50% of society but also screws over the other half. I don't see why I should have to essentially pay for some woman's pregnancy, esp. if this is a PRIVATE company, not governmetn or tax dollars.
I never understood why bureaucrats and regulators and certain politicians think that insurers need to cover everything under the sun even in the minimal plans. WHY?? They honestly believe that insurance WON'T cover all those things absent these mandates if consumers ask for them? If a consumer wants to negotiate a good deal that covers only things he needs, the insurer won't be able to do that? ...really? Is there any evidence that THIS is how insurance even worked before mandates?
Mandatory Healthcare, the Patriot Act & These WARS of Aggression & Occupation are ALL Illegal and anti-constitutional. If you do not like it, don't work yourself up into a fit, just say NO and don't get healthcare!
Also, STOP Paying your federal Income tax to STOP supporting their plans and their WARS.
Stop whining and crying people and just extricate yourself from the system. Move to a secessionist state or to the New Hampshire Free State Project. Become independent, Sovereign people.
If the gov't is gonna force you to buy something, they might as well just stop doing it half-assed and nationalize it, ya know. at least be consistent and put your money where your mouth is, liberal jackasses
Hey therepublicanknight, Auto insurance mandates are at the state level, healthcare mandate is at the federal level and the federal govt originally was never given the power to do this and many other things which is why our country is in a downfall.
States are allowed to modify or adopt the bill in any number of ways they choose, the idea of suing the federal government over this issue simply makes NO SENSE.
If being forced to have some form of healthcare is unconstitutional then so is being forced to have car insurance because you are forced against your will. It is illegal to drive and not have car insurance if you violate the law enough you can go to jail. Protest forced health and car insurance because it is against our constitutional rights. I dont disagree with all of the bill just certain parts of it.
We should Protest mandatory Car Insurance. It is NOT Mandatory in New Hampshire. We should also PROTEST against Drivers Licenses and Vehicle Registration too. Vehicle Registration is just proof that we do NOT own our cars, the government does, thats why if you do NOT register your car, they Steal it from us. I say hell No! We need to be FREE people who need NOT to register our vehicles to pay the government fees, we should have the choice to get healthcare or to not. Next are thumbprint ID cards
According to a couple of my professors, the Civil War ended States rights. It is sad that so many people run around knocking their heads together to find a solution, yet it is their flawed political philosophy that has been the problem all along.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I am always amazed, why I don't know, by the utter and complete ignorance of individuals such as SuicideKing4077.
"So how protected are we if the states can ignore the Constitution??" Really? He's serious?
Can make a suggestion? Try reading the document prior to commenting on it.
There should be a basic intelligence that must be passed prior to allowing people to post their comments. That way we could avoid the drivel from those who so obviously know nothing of which they speak. God save us!!!
Anyone who compares murdering foreigners (Iraq war) and potentially saving the lives of Domestics (public healthcare) obviously suffers from a case of the crazies.
I would also like to point out that many of the fools holding the anti healthcare bill signs were old people who will die soon enough so no worries.
A tendency among American righties is to completely disregard any public service as socialism.
Conclusion: Keynesian economics should be taught in American business schools.
Many in Washington argue that the Fourteenth Amendment annuls both the Ninth And Tenth Amendments. They're wrong, but they don't give a D*** , they've got the guns !
Let's nullify it then, but to have the Tea Par- tiers bring up Thomas Jefferson is pathetic- We only seem to bring up Thomas Jefferson when it's convenient to our point. I think it's a great idea to a point as I would love to see states rights be given back to them, but let's not bitch and complain when a state decides that it wants Universal Health Care or etc.
Obamacare is a tax on those that have money to pay for health insurance. Protesters are right to be angry
However, Immigration is also a tax, a tax on the working poor that has kept wages low for decades, We are about to have another amnesty shoved down our throats. How many protesting Obamacare like Rush and Hannity & Beck really give a d##n about how immigration affects those on the bottom in our country or how fraudulent work visa programs have helped wipe out the middle class. we will see.
Nullification seems like a good idea to check the FED, but it also seems flawed. If a states constitution has laws different from the U.S Constitution, can't the states simply break any constitutional law they deem fit, since they're ignoring the fed anyway? Slippery slope.
Where are the political reincarnations of our Founding Fathers? The only hope that Americans have is that the states refuse to go along with Obamacare and if necessary secede.
Every American has a line in the sand that they will not allow to be crossed. The SMART people in this country have realized that MANDATED health care should be one of those lines.
Petition - referendum - nullification - secession. That is the path that our founding fathers took in the Revolution, and it is also the path the South took prior to the Civil War. It looks like that will also be the path we take as well. It's just the same old fight against tyranny, over and over again.
Learned something new today. Hopefully nullification can be use to put an end to Obama care, otherwise we'll have to wait til the november elections and see if we can get a majority to repeal it.
I find it amusing one of the first protester photos shown are a bunch of senior citizens holding signs that say "healthcare is not a birth right." I wonder if the other side of the sign reads : "keep your damn government hands off my medicare!" Anyways, good to see the retarded have a place to congregate.
That right buddy, ignore the fact that most of these ignorant ppl dont actually understand medicare IS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, OMGZ!!! thats OK if your over 65 apparently. Haha, the logic you people you use is so backwards. We have been printing money to pay for 2 wars that have wrung up tens of trillions of dollars in 8 years, yet the idea of spending just shy of a trillion over 10 years to improve our nations healthcare is somehow going to bankrupt our country... to late?
LOL well that's an interesting comment. While I'm not thrilled with federal health care I'm also concerned about states like mine TX claiming to be for individual rights when lots of times they're not.
Its amazing, obama attempts to fix our broken health care system so more americans can have access to life saving health coverage. This, to republicans, is the same as the patriot act, which essentially destroyed our bill of rights(republican voters apparently love blanketed warrentless domestic spying?) and the bush administration invading Iraq, a sovereign nation that never attacked us or even threatened to.
First, the Obama administration spends just as much on wars as the Bush administration. If you criticized the Bush administration on this, then criticize the Obama administration too.
Second, the Patriot act (now supported by the Obama administration) is similar to this Healthcare push. "Access to life saving health-coverage" is about as honest as calling the patriot act "Patriotic". It's an unconstitutional carte blanche for healthcare-corporations.
Yeah, i completely agree, obama has failed the country in respect of continuing to occupy iraq and escalating war in afghanistan, continuing the P-act, I NEVER said I agreed with obama on that. Obama is continuing about 80-90% of the bush policies, thats why I find it soo bizarre the great number of "conservatives" who blindly supported bush for 8 years suddenly see a democrat is in power (being black dun help), the country is SUDDENLY turning into some socialist-communist-fascist-dictatorship.
I agree the escalation of war in Afghanistan and continued occupation of iraq are not good and im unhappy with obama for continuing to fight a war that we possess no ability to "win." I never said I agreed with that or his continuation to employ the patriot act which allows our government to spy on every citizen without warrant or repercussion. And in fact, I AGREE its a giveaway for healthcare corps. There remains no competition and now people MUST buy it..
No matter how well intentioned we are is, the end result ends up being an increase in government, handouts for corporations, and debt for the poor.
As a libertarian I want HMOs gone, and cheap healthcare for everyone. That's what the democrats promised. But that's not what they delivered. Government never delivers.
That's why the talks of nullification and secession. Because government always fails. Why now and not during the Bush years? Because of the Ron Paul campaign.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Interstate Commerce clause allows the federal gov't to control and regulate non-commercial activities entirely confined to one state, that are considered illegal federally, but legal in the state. The lawsuits won't stand a chance.
While I really do believe this bill is terrible for the nation and completely unconstitutional. I can't help but find it hypocritical when the same Republicans that complain about a government takeover of healthcare are the same Republicans that complain that the Democrats wanted to take money away from Medicare, which is UNIVERSAL health care but only for seniors.
So how protected are we if the states can ignore the constitution???If its how you say it is then wouldnt all that shit only apply to like Fed agents and local city/state police could do shit like search you without permission/warrant?
It's the duty of the local citizenry to make sure that such abuses of natural rights, i.e. the Bill of Rights doesn't grant rights; it merely says that the federal government shall not abridge pre-existing rights, do not occur. And the FBI's track record in terms of respecting the Fourth Amendment isn't that great either.
You always seem to find the words and pictures to express exactly what I think of all this federal government stuff and pretty much get how I feel about it as well, except I get a lot more angry than you do Jack.
So, how does your Big-State plan, which owes its very existence to Fed inflation and Big Corporate crony campaign donations to the centralizers, now turn about and reign in its partner rogues? Further, how do the people have any hope of ending wars and Empire when war is the health of the tyrannical State?
It's too profitable for them to ever give up. Only by starving the Big State of public support and its Fed feeding tube can we ever hope to regain a peaceful, prosperous, just nation.
I used to be with you, man. But the State is only evil in so far as it does evil. Rather than abolish it altogether, it needs to be first eviscerated and then stuffed with new life (ie, focus on providing basic minimal services for the poor (70% of population), rather than funding global empire, etc). Small-state-ism may have been desirable in the early days of capitalism; however, it is no longer feasible today when a handful of huge multinational corporations control government and policy.
The typcial neoconfederate lies about the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions somehow stating that the US is a compound of States instead of a union of the American people…
shamusername 9 months ago
Hell yes! Take over your state leadership NOW!
NCIcaucus 1 year ago
According to Art. 1 of the Constitution, Congress can make laws providing for the common defense and general welfare of the US.
That puts Congress well within its rights on both Obamacare and the war on drugs.
(i.e. start with Article 1 if you want to limit the powers of Congress. It's power from that clause is a HUGE tent)
ZeDingoBlag 1 year ago
@ZeDingoBlag
Please watch this video:
/watch?v=NBjWxpOeX-g
Hopefully you will become a little more informed on what you speak about.
PersonguydudeWB 11 months ago
@PersonguydudeWB Go take a history class. George Washington, the first President, and the politicians at the time, many of whom WROTE the Constitution, had trouble interpreting just what it meant. Jefferson favored strict construction, Madison favored loose construction. I'll leave it to you to find out what those mean. "General welfare" can mean a lot of things, especially considering that the United States can be this land, this people, or both. Good luck becoming a Constitutional scholar!
ZeDingoBlag 11 months ago
Eye Rack war.
PinchySkree 1 year ago
good point
lucas5101 1 year ago
H.R. 3590 gives the federal government specific access to individual bank accounts and medical records as provided by that individuals health plan. The government may monitor an individuals finances and medical records electronically. America, whats in your wallet?
dkkght46 1 year ago
General Lee would be rolling in his grave.......Since anyone with any intelligence knows the south wasnt fighting to save slavery...
IKSDoomie 1 year ago 2
Right on target, Avenger!
AmericanAvenger1 1 year ago
In this case, South Carolina should nulify the desision of US v. Virgina.
Starpilot17 1 year ago
Spot on commentary as usual by the Southern Avenger.
BradNC11175 1 year ago
When states nullify federal legislation, they are "interceding," i.e., placing state government between the citizens of that state and the federal government. If the states take on this burden, they better make damned sure that such action is in the best interest of the majority of its citizens. Otherwise, the states are being just as tyrannical as they perceive the federal government of being.
freerangebiped 1 year ago
Its ironic because I ONLY see in the majority its only white people that are pissed off over this and every other injustice the goons in DC shove down OUR throats! Think about that.
GlobalMinority 1 year ago
No one puts it into a more fair perspective than the Souther Avenger, Jack Hunter. BTW he will be filling in for Mike Church this Thursday and Friday, April 1st and 2nd. This will be SA's first time going National! Please tune in!
Atheistforonpaul08 1 year ago 2
you weren't listening...thrown out of what? if the states decide to nullify,thatis it-done deal...then it is up to the feds to deny the states rights and attack militarily...or not
elminerodeoro 1 year ago 10
Im British. and im honestly saddened to see this kind of thing happen.
I have so much respect to the REAL people that made and built the United States, these men went toe-to-toe with the strongest army at the time and won their freedom. and its just been progessivly taken away over decades/centuries to the point its been distorted by law
wake up america. your being destoryed from within by people making their own financial gain
ezekeil6ft2 1 year ago
Its a tax...
alonstec10 1 year ago
BINGO!
Give that man a prize.
You got it. If we in California can say "Take a flying leap" on Med pot then we can tell them to PISS OFF on Health Care.
What are they going to do?
Zip that is what.
shampoovta 1 year ago
It is unconstitutional,But they don't care!
killergames187 1 year ago
Its not, there are a number of constitutional arguments for it, the most prominent being the broad digression that the commerce clause give congress, but more importantly the founding father did not think that the government requiring people to buy things was unconstitutional. In the Militia act of 1792, signed by George Washington, required every man between the ages of 18-45 to buy a musket or flintlock, a bayonet, a belt, a rucksack and appropriate ammunition.
lorezapocalypse 1 year ago
Honestly, this is one of the greatest videos I've seen on You-Tube: articulate, informative, effective, and downright inspiring. Thank you, southernavenger. You're one bad-ass. Love your strength and intelligence. Fight on!! We're with you!!
anotherfoolonthehlLL 1 year ago
I've always said, "Once the White Guy loses control over America... we're all done for." Now the White Guy has been taking a nap for a little while... and while the cat was away, the mice have come out to play: mostly niggers, women, and homos. But fear not -- for the sleeping White Giant is waking up. He's waking up all over the country... and his big fucking boot is about to stomp all over hell. Nothing is more formidable than the American White Guy. God bless him.
anotherfoolonthehlLL 1 year ago
And I will knock you out right where you stand, You racist piece of shit.
grg61458 1 year ago
Tisk, tisk, tisk,...
Is that all ya got
grg61458?
Sticks and stone my fellow Lib. Sticks and stones.
shampoovta 1 year ago
The states CAN do this. They just have to take action. Like it or not, they are the only political organization which now stands between people and the feds that can get something done quickly and authoritatively. They can make it very difficult for the feds to function. They can insulate citizens from federal tyranny.
It's not even a fight if you just cower all the time. If you resist at the state level, you force the feds to back down or increase their tyranny, thus exposing them further.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
Ahem, mandating that people have health insurance was a Republican alternative to the Clinton plan in the '90s. The policy was first put into place on a state-wide level by a Republican governor. (And it's perfectly fine at the state level.) This will cling to the GOP's necks like a vampire bat.
RouletteRog 1 year ago
States Rights...States Rights... if you feel that worked up secede
mayor600 1 year ago
It's so easy to nullify Obamacare. All the right wing sociopaths have to do is refuse medical treatment on ideological principle if they have a life threatening condition. That would be much better than the 50000 people who die needlessly each year from lack of medical insurance coverage.
gzX9bVq6k 1 year ago
@gzX9bVq6k No one every said you can opt to have it in your state. You can have it while other states can nullify it. Your choice is maintained is so is ours. How can you say that is wrong?
timbosforporn 1 year ago
@gzX9bVq6k
It's funny how you describe victims as "sociopaths" rather than the criminals who impose corporate fascist medical tyranny on hundreds of millions of people who DON'T WANT IT.
If your fascist control freak ripoff scheme is so good, why do you have to use VIOLENCE to get people to use it?
You have nothing to offer but irrational propaganda and the use of FORCE against your unwilling victims.
May others FORCE their schemes on you
as well?
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
@gzX9bVq6k Better to die a frre man than live as some Quisling lackey dependent upon some one else for every thing. I wont pay. Put me in jail. Fuck you get a job leave me and mine alone.If this is so wonderful, why did Pres. Obonehead have to hire 16000 more tax cops to enforce it?
supressorgrid 1 year ago
Dumbass. They aren't going to get care from Obama. They are going to be forced to pay for expensive "coverage" while the govt declares the insurance company do not have to offer serious care (they can even punish them for offering expensive care).
Yeah, there are libertarian sociopaths who think nobody who can't afford it (most of us) should get serious health care. Then there are corrupt bastards in the so-called political "center" who make us buy inflated insurance from private companies
maxime32 1 year ago
If government was affording itself and paying its bills and not driving the future generations to enslavement in its debt
If government wasn't fixing costs in the entire industry, and instead, reformed the whole foul thing instead of propping it up and applying another trillion dollar bandaid to it on the way to our bankruptcy, you'd have a great point.
Nobody should die from lack of coverage, but this isn't the way.
heymisterderp 1 year ago
It's time for the governors to grow a pair and refuse any fed interference in state affairs - no more mandates, no more fed $'s, no more kow-towing to fed demands. Kick the feds out of the states - no fed agents allowed to engage in any activity without state permission, no fed presence within the state without state supervision and monitoring, no more cooperation with fed agencies that violate state laws.
bbburton 1 year ago
Excellent point Jack.
However, for nullification to truly take place, state leaders and officials must be unified. There are too many backstabbers who run as state officials but do the federal governments bidding. Also California will attempt to loosen the Marijuana laws yet again this November.
shiftstart 1 year ago 5
So the only answer is Molotov cocktails?
Vash3OO1 1 year ago
It's a Federal law CamelToeHo. Not a State Law. The States can change state laws and have to follow the federal law. now we have to ask where did the federal govt gain the power to pass this law? Who gave them the power?
JebBlack2010 1 year ago
It wouldn't hurt, too, if we had more politicians who actually knew economics, rather than half the electorate totally shunning true economics for some bonehead pro-gov't version of it they like to fancy up as "Keynesianism."
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689
sounds like you would like a technocratic like government...
Xenthoid 1 year ago
Things would be so much simpler if the feds and states got out of our hair and treated us like CONSUMERS who can make the right choice when informed, instead of dumbasses who need all the gov't help they can get, so the "evil" insurers don't "screw us." But of course, that's unlikely to happen. Liberal politicians and bureaucrats love feeling like they're helping people and being all paternalistic, even when they're hurting them.
whoo689 1 year ago
And esp. even worse is having healthy patients pay for sick ones who are sick due to their own irresponsibility, not b/c of heredity or some unforeseen medical condition or birth issue. Like someone who's obese. Or has lung cancer from smoking. Or drinks too much. they should have to pay HIGHER premiums, goddammit. Risk requires compensation
whoo689 1 year ago
Of course, the CBO's projections that premiums would go down is merely assuming that insurers take into account all the new healthier patients insured and then using those new patients to offset the premiums of sicker patients, in turn "equalizing" premiums. But of course, how moral is that? Having healthy patients pay for sick ones, esp. in PRIVATE insurance plans that we voluntary choose? or should choose anyway
whoo689 1 year ago
Insurance mandate at the national level will undoubtedly lower the quality of insurance since the feds will, no doubt, ask for MORE regulation of insurance in the future and all kinds of expanded minimum coverage. This won't be the last of them. Mandates follow mandates. The gov't has no incentive to just back off after they tell you to buy something you may or may not need. And in turn, the premiums WILL go up. Don't buy into that bs that they will drop significantly.
whoo689 1 year ago
Like pre or postnatal care. Why should the male patients have to pay for that coverage? It potentially benefits 50% of society but also screws over the other half. I don't see why I should have to essentially pay for some woman's pregnancy, esp. if this is a PRIVATE company, not governmetn or tax dollars.
whoo689 1 year ago
I mean, any evidence that insurance didn't cover them at the request of patients? that's my question
whoo689 1 year ago
I never understood why bureaucrats and regulators and certain politicians think that insurers need to cover everything under the sun even in the minimal plans. WHY?? They honestly believe that insurance WON'T cover all those things absent these mandates if consumers ask for them? If a consumer wants to negotiate a good deal that covers only things he needs, the insurer won't be able to do that? ...really? Is there any evidence that THIS is how insurance even worked before mandates?
whoo689 1 year ago
Mandatory Healthcare, the Patriot Act & These WARS of Aggression & Occupation are ALL Illegal and anti-constitutional. If you do not like it, don't work yourself up into a fit, just say NO and don't get healthcare!
Also, STOP Paying your federal Income tax to STOP supporting their plans and their WARS.
Stop whining and crying people and just extricate yourself from the system. Move to a secessionist state or to the New Hampshire Free State Project. Become independent, Sovereign people.
enemyartistkristofeR 1 year ago
If the gov't is gonna force you to buy something, they might as well just stop doing it half-assed and nationalize it, ya know. at least be consistent and put your money where your mouth is, liberal jackasses
whoo689 1 year ago
Hey therepublicanknight, Auto insurance mandates are at the state level, healthcare mandate is at the federal level and the federal govt originally was never given the power to do this and many other things which is why our country is in a downfall.
JebBlack2010 1 year ago
States are allowed to modify or adopt the bill in any number of ways they choose, the idea of suing the federal government over this issue simply makes NO SENSE.
CamelToeHo 1 year ago
Next up is Immigration reform. The state is just going to elect a new people. How we gonna fight that?
Vexed34 1 year ago
If being forced to have some form of healthcare is unconstitutional then so is being forced to have car insurance because you are forced against your will. It is illegal to drive and not have car insurance if you violate the law enough you can go to jail. Protest forced health and car insurance because it is against our constitutional rights. I dont disagree with all of the bill just certain parts of it.
therepublicanknight 1 year ago
We should Protest mandatory Car Insurance. It is NOT Mandatory in New Hampshire. We should also PROTEST against Drivers Licenses and Vehicle Registration too. Vehicle Registration is just proof that we do NOT own our cars, the government does, thats why if you do NOT register your car, they Steal it from us. I say hell No! We need to be FREE people who need NOT to register our vehicles to pay the government fees, we should have the choice to get healthcare or to not. Next are thumbprint ID cards
enemyartistkristofeR 1 year ago
According to a couple of my professors, the Civil War ended States rights. It is sad that so many people run around knocking their heads together to find a solution, yet it is their flawed political philosophy that has been the problem all along.
smallmaniac 1 year ago
About time we got some HCR.
We the people, not just the ones that can aford health care.
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
The preamble of The Constitution:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
agharta788 1 year ago
Most of the 50 States are saying, "Dude, where's my backbone?"
RCinPAWA 1 year ago
I am always amazed, why I don't know, by the utter and complete ignorance of individuals such as SuicideKing4077.
"So how protected are we if the states can ignore the Constitution??" Really? He's serious?
Can make a suggestion? Try reading the document prior to commenting on it.
There should be a basic intelligence that must be passed prior to allowing people to post their comments. That way we could avoid the drivel from those who so obviously know nothing of which they speak. God save us!!!
onceuponamidnightdry 1 year ago
Civil War KILLED Nullification.
We have been under martial law ever since the south walked.
Pointing to the Constitution is simply to placate the ignorant sheeple who are now ruled by an Oligarcy.
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
great and good video and point
utubecenseorstruth 1 year ago
Anyone who compares murdering foreigners (Iraq war) and potentially saving the lives of Domestics (public healthcare) obviously suffers from a case of the crazies.
I would also like to point out that many of the fools holding the anti healthcare bill signs were old people who will die soon enough so no worries.
A tendency among American righties is to completely disregard any public service as socialism.
Conclusion: Keynesian economics should be taught in American business schools.
Cheedillow 1 year ago
Try doing a little research on Austrian economics. Trust me, it is far superior to Keynesianism.
frionelhero 1 year ago
@frionelhero I start my degree in september, I'll keep an eye out.
Cheedillow 1 year ago
Many in Washington argue that the Fourteenth Amendment annuls both the Ninth And Tenth Amendments. They're wrong, but they don't give a D*** , they've got the guns !
Roddyoneeye 1 year ago
what the point of sending people to congress, the states can nullify anything, they don't want?
the problem i have with this state right thing, individuals' civil-liberties wouldn't had happen, if states' rights was an issue.
FREEAMERICANOW69 1 year ago
I love Thomas Jefferson more and more every day. That man has done more good for this country than any other 100 men combined.
BigPurple121 1 year ago
Yeah, Thomas Jefferson and Sam Adams are number 1 and number 2 on my list of favorite Americans, lol
Elasaltaculos 1 year ago
Let's nullify it then, but to have the Tea Par- tiers bring up Thomas Jefferson is pathetic- We only seem to bring up Thomas Jefferson when it's convenient to our point. I think it's a great idea to a point as I would love to see states rights be given back to them, but let's not bitch and complain when a state decides that it wants Universal Health Care or etc.
sinlaael 1 year ago
Obamacare is a tax on those that have money to pay for health insurance. Protesters are right to be angry
However, Immigration is also a tax, a tax on the working poor that has kept wages low for decades, We are about to have another amnesty shoved down our throats. How many protesting Obamacare like Rush and Hannity & Beck really give a d##n about how immigration affects those on the bottom in our country or how fraudulent work visa programs have helped wipe out the middle class. we will see.
mrhulot101 1 year ago
Nullification seems like a good idea to check the FED, but it also seems flawed. If a states constitution has laws different from the U.S Constitution, can't the states simply break any constitutional law they deem fit, since they're ignoring the fed anyway? Slippery slope.
Nawledge1 1 year ago
Fool me once, shame on me; Fool me twice, I`ll secede.
secedeful 1 year ago
If you assume that Barry Sotoro is doing what is best for us, it is still very hard to not see it as corruption Where are my blinders?.
thetimman00 1 year ago
Hey Jack you ever consider a run for some sort of office?
fourdoorchevelle 1 year ago
Nice. I hope the states do this...
MRSketch09 1 year ago
Where are the political reincarnations of our Founding Fathers? The only hope that Americans have is that the states refuse to go along with Obamacare and if necessary secede.
nbenicewicz 1 year ago
Every American has a line in the sand that they will not allow to be crossed. The SMART people in this country have realized that MANDATED health care should be one of those lines.
Petition - referendum - nullification - secession. That is the path that our founding fathers took in the Revolution, and it is also the path the South took prior to the Civil War. It looks like that will also be the path we take as well. It's just the same old fight against tyranny, over and over again.
captainfreedom78 1 year ago
I recently heard it was in the 30s....
thecursedland 1 year ago
At 5:16 you voided everything before it!
If those opposing Obamacare take states wright seriously..
They don't.
This just to get the southern rebels yahoos panties in a bunch then raise some money and get a few votes.
cosmosgato 1 year ago
the states must stand up to the FED. the FED is on a RUNAWAY SPENDING SPREE!!! !!! Healthcare, Military, name it!
mrmassage 1 year ago 3
Sorry to repeat this phrase so often on SA videos but... BRILLIANT!
anyusmoon1 1 year ago
Learned something new today. Hopefully nullification can be use to put an end to Obama care, otherwise we'll have to wait til the november elections and see if we can get a majority to repeal it.
FamousDave2186 1 year ago
I didn't know states could do that, thanks for informing me.
loszhor 1 year ago
I find it amusing one of the first protester photos shown are a bunch of senior citizens holding signs that say "healthcare is not a birth right." I wonder if the other side of the sign reads : "keep your damn government hands off my medicare!" Anyways, good to see the retarded have a place to congregate.
CamelToeHo 1 year ago
And I see the younger ones just come to YouTube.
israelandersonvideo 1 year ago 2
@israelandersonvideo
That right buddy, ignore the fact that most of these ignorant ppl dont actually understand medicare IS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, OMGZ!!! thats OK if your over 65 apparently. Haha, the logic you people you use is so backwards. We have been printing money to pay for 2 wars that have wrung up tens of trillions of dollars in 8 years, yet the idea of spending just shy of a trillion over 10 years to improve our nations healthcare is somehow going to bankrupt our country... to late?
CamelToeHo 1 year ago
LOL well that's an interesting comment. While I'm not thrilled with federal health care I'm also concerned about states like mine TX claiming to be for individual rights when lots of times they're not.
MatthewCVR 1 year ago
Its amazing, obama attempts to fix our broken health care system so more americans can have access to life saving health coverage. This, to republicans, is the same as the patriot act, which essentially destroyed our bill of rights(republican voters apparently love blanketed warrentless domestic spying?) and the bush administration invading Iraq, a sovereign nation that never attacked us or even threatened to.
Yeah, pretty much the same thing...
CamelToeHo 1 year ago
@CamelToeHo It's almost identical.
First, the Obama administration spends just as much on wars as the Bush administration. If you criticized the Bush administration on this, then criticize the Obama administration too.
Second, the Patriot act (now supported by the Obama administration) is similar to this Healthcare push. "Access to life saving health-coverage" is about as honest as calling the patriot act "Patriotic". It's an unconstitutional carte blanche for healthcare-corporations.
fairlylargejohn 1 year ago
Yeah, i completely agree, obama has failed the country in respect of continuing to occupy iraq and escalating war in afghanistan, continuing the P-act, I NEVER said I agreed with obama on that. Obama is continuing about 80-90% of the bush policies, thats why I find it soo bizarre the great number of "conservatives" who blindly supported bush for 8 years suddenly see a democrat is in power (being black dun help), the country is SUDDENLY turning into some socialist-communist-fascist-dictatorship.
CamelToeHo 1 year ago
@fairlylargejohn
I agree the escalation of war in Afghanistan and continued occupation of iraq are not good and im unhappy with obama for continuing to fight a war that we possess no ability to "win." I never said I agreed with that or his continuation to employ the patriot act which allows our government to spy on every citizen without warrant or repercussion. And in fact, I AGREE its a giveaway for healthcare corps. There remains no competition and now people MUST buy it..
CamelToeHo 1 year ago
@CamelToeHo
Exactly!
No matter how well intentioned we are is, the end result ends up being an increase in government, handouts for corporations, and debt for the poor.
As a libertarian I want HMOs gone, and cheap healthcare for everyone. That's what the democrats promised. But that's not what they delivered. Government never delivers.
That's why the talks of nullification and secession. Because government always fails. Why now and not during the Bush years? Because of the Ron Paul campaign.
fairlylargejohn 1 year ago
Raich v. Ashcroft
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Interstate Commerce clause allows the federal gov't to control and regulate non-commercial activities entirely confined to one state, that are considered illegal federally, but legal in the state. The lawsuits won't stand a chance.
ThePintsizeslasher 1 year ago
the states will lose because the courts will simply dub the penalty a tax.
deomartinez77 1 year ago
if u want to nullify Obamacare u must secede from the union. easy.
KhmerD0g 1 year ago
While I really do believe this bill is terrible for the nation and completely unconstitutional. I can't help but find it hypocritical when the same Republicans that complain about a government takeover of healthcare are the same Republicans that complain that the Democrats wanted to take money away from Medicare, which is UNIVERSAL health care but only for seniors.
Buckeyes1647 1 year ago
this is our fault for electing democrats and republicans
CivilRadiant 1 year ago
you got that right!
strapt313 1 year ago
Nullify the Feds & Paul/Woods 2012 !!!
ALittleBitPregnant 1 year ago
State rights are protected under the U.S. Constitution. The federal government is not God and neither is the president.
AcePilot101 1 year ago 2
When you are forced to do something.You do not want to do.You are a slave.
wastelandsoldier1 1 year ago 3
The fight for freedom will never end. Nullification is a good plan in the States' arsenal.
Mossy500A 1 year ago 11
So how protected are we if the states can ignore the constitution???If its how you say it is then wouldnt all that shit only apply to like Fed agents and local city/state police could do shit like search you without permission/warrant?
SuicideKing4077 1 year ago
It's the duty of the local citizenry to make sure that such abuses of natural rights, i.e. the Bill of Rights doesn't grant rights; it merely says that the federal government shall not abridge pre-existing rights, do not occur. And the FBI's track record in terms of respecting the Fourth Amendment isn't that great either.
murphycline 1 year ago
That's a good point. This may be a Pandora's Box we don't want to open
BigPurple121 1 year ago
We have already passed the
Point of no return with shooting to start shorty!
TOWIFELGA 1 year ago 3
TOWIFELGA, you may be joking but many are seeing the ingredients for civil unrest coming together.
We live in interesting times for sure. I'm moving south to escape the hardships of winter. Something is in the air and I'm smelling gun powder.
God have mercy on us.
nomadak47 1 year ago
Great video!
WintersAscension 1 year ago 6
You are so right on. Thanks for stating this so succinctly. I hope millions of people watch this video. I will share on FB.
freedomseeker01 1 year ago 5
Thank you for pointing out the obvious! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
Ladyradical 1 year ago 5
5 stars.
3RiversRogue 1 year ago 3
You always seem to find the words and pictures to express exactly what I think of all this federal government stuff and pretty much get how I feel about it as well, except I get a lot more angry than you do Jack.
Thanks for your efforts.
curiouschem 1 year ago 7
So, how does your Big-State plan, which owes its very existence to Fed inflation and Big Corporate crony campaign donations to the centralizers, now turn about and reign in its partner rogues? Further, how do the people have any hope of ending wars and Empire when war is the health of the tyrannical State?
It's too profitable for them to ever give up. Only by starving the Big State of public support and its Fed feeding tube can we ever hope to regain a peaceful, prosperous, just nation.
leafwatch 1 year ago 6
The end of America is accelerating. Do not be apathetic.
Parisjune 1 year ago 5
I hope not. I'm pissed about so much but I don't want the country to fall or be split.
MatthewCVR 1 year ago
I used to be with you, man. But the State is only evil in so far as it does evil. Rather than abolish it altogether, it needs to be first eviscerated and then stuffed with new life (ie, focus on providing basic minimal services for the poor (70% of population), rather than funding global empire, etc). Small-state-ism may have been desirable in the early days of capitalism; however, it is no longer feasible today when a handful of huge multinational corporations control government and policy.
beholdmyswarthyface0 1 year ago
@beholdmyswarthyface0 We already do enough for the poor in this country, and they make up nowhere near 70% of the population.
HungryDingo 1 year ago
@HungryDingo
Well when you consider the national debt, we are all going to be piss poor when the collections agents start flying in from China.
feeknocks 1 year ago