King Leopold II

[PrinceLorreII]

I am terribly sorry, but I think the exaggeration of the acts of Leopold II in the Congo (Leopold II has never been there himself by the way) is in large part due to British propaganda in order to draw away the attention from all the mass murders they committed themselves in their colonies in India, Australia, the native Americans, S.Africa. Do you think these people were voluntarily part of the British Empire without any suppression or violence? Where does the number of 10,000,000 come from?

[TheLandOfTears]

Humans are bad with or without religion. There will always be the good and the bad, religion doesn't make a difference. 

[TheLiberalKnight]

What a vile creature, one of the most bloody monarchs in history, Belgian Africa was a place of brutality and death.

[xXxCaTxXx13]

Are you drinking something.. xD Kidding it's a great video I mean I'm 13(learning history over internet) and I could find Leopold II ...

[jkitambo2012]

The Zoinist who rule the world & control media r very smart. They wrote the bible, a manual 2 control people. They are causing war & chaos in muslim & african countries round the world. Human rights only applies to the people of their countries no one else. They know Islam is Gods religion & it will solve the problems of the world & this does not fit in wiv their new world order plans. This is why they do anything to tanish islams reputaion. things like blowin up world trade centre them selfs

[jkitambo2012]

Congo is one of the richest countries in the world. It is completly self sufficient. It has diamonds, coltan, cooper, ivory, oil, iron, and many more It has 80% of the worlds resources. This is why People dont want us to live in peace. The West has made a pact with Joseph Kabila to keep killing to finish our population they are planning to split congo into different countries and sell other parts and split other parts with kabila. their secrets out. Its our country and we are not having it.

[jkitambo2012]

under "Joseph Kabila's" rule over 7 million congolese have died numbers go up every day. he lost the election 27th November 2011. But the west are helping him remain in power. This time conglese people hav chosen their president Etienne Tshisekedi. But the west do not want him cause they will loose access to congo. This is why congolese r protesting all over the world. u wnt see it on western news cause they dont want the pubic to know wat they get up 2 in congo. we've had enough of slavery.

[jkitambo2012]

since USA & other western Government killed Patric Lumumba up until today they hav chosen all our presidents. puppets who co-operate wiv them, if the popet stops co-operating they get rid & put another one. The poppet in power know "Joseph Kabila" is not congolese. He was a taxi driver in Rwanda .The west provided him with arms and helped him & his people to invade Congo as long as he keeps killing congolese & let the west have unlimited access to congo resources they help him remain in power.

[jkitambo2012]

It wasnt just king Leopard 2 by him self. it was with the permission of Other western govermens. they all signed a packed allowing him to do this and they all profited from it. And even when they protended to give congo its independance back when we had our first congolese prime minister Patric Lumumba, The west felt fretend wiv his vision for congo and africa. So in 1960 the USA and other western government chopped him up with a hack saw ans dissolved his body in acid.

[bdsamlal]

Someone said Belgium is paying still . . . Isn't OJ Simpson paying still too? That's what thieves and murderers do, they pay back to their victims, sometimes for their lives? One hand is worth one million US . . . Work out the cost, then . . . and PAY you wicked people

[MebefromBelgium]

Hmm, bringing Leopold II up in response of a video that wants to slap at christianity is not a smart move. I think it's hard to find anybody in 19th century Belgium who believed less in God then he did. He feigned it to get approval and support of the Church.

Saying that he worked ten million people to death is unfounded. In the region where rubber was found, little changed, the new masters wanted the Congolese to work closer by home then the previous ones did. And diseases killed most.

[AlMayer1100]

By the way, Eisenhower ordered the assasination of Lumumba, who had the "audacity" to say "we will accept all nations who are supporting a sovereign democratic and free Kongo. No matter if this nations are the USA, the Sovjiets or any other". This was enough for Eisenhower (this cocksucker) to kill Lumumba.

The Beligians are only the tip of the iceberg.

[TheLiberalTurkey]

hitler , talaat pascha , leopold this subhumans are the biggest murders in the history . Whe learn nothing from history

[TheEnglishpaladin]

I think Leopold is a bit...demonized too much. It's true that atrocities were committed in the Congo, and that Belgium, under Leopold, is responsible.

In spite of this, Leopold did many things with the money earned (true, perhaps through the backs of slaves), such as industrialize Belgium, and in the long run, prepare it for the looming horrors of World War I.

[Colenelnelson]

@TheEnglishpaladin You are astupid racist he robbed black people to help his own country that makes him so much better.

[powerdriller10]

@TheEnglish

Leopold atrocities are not known in the World as the atrocities committed by Stalin or Hitler. But, Leopold was worse than they were. The poor Congo people was in no way a threat for Belgium, there was not a doctrine nor ideology pseudo-justifying the crimes, there was only greed, the urge of Leopold to become rich at all cost, mainly if the cost was a hell for others and a heaven for him. Leopold enormous wealth just trickled down slowly and meagerly to the Belgium people.

[jumpingonglass]

i cry

[ManoKanthanathan]

It is my feeling that the Belgians are responsible for the worst genocide in human history - not the Germans or any other country. King Leopold was worse than Adolf Hitler or Stalin. The world should remove every statue of this devil Leopold in Belgium.

[powerdriller10]

@ManoKanthanathan

I agree with you 100%. Why a genocide is a crime only when it is committed against jews. The Congo people lived in a hell for decades, the peasants of the USSR lived their own hell under communism, the 50-100 million of people who suffered a famish due to Communist Mao criminal ideas, all of them suffered more than the Jews.

[AlMayer1100]

@powerdriller10 Well, the Congo suffered from capitalism. You've forgotten to mention that.

All suffering nowadays is a direct result of capitalism. The problem is, that most of the people have never heard of Coltan. While you are on your cell phone sitting relaxed in your comfi chair, people in todays Congo have to mine for Coltan. Under the very same circumstances as 100 years ago. Nobody cares. In capitalism only one thing matters: Capital.

[powerdriller10]

@AlMayer1100

Capitalism and Communism are both murderous economical systems when uncontrolled. Communism an inexorably ruinous business and faster killer. Capitalism could be good if tamed, but always looking where to go wild and unopposed, like in some regions of Africa today.

[Raybanmonster]

God help the Belgians when the Congo get their act together, we all know its coming, one by one each African country will stand up and account graphically for the crimes, mainly economic.

[lunafringe10]

yes and his blood villa on the cote d azur , how many limps were hacked off the people in the congo, The belgian attrocities in Congo were worse then those of the nazis, But after WW2 they played victims, Just like France,

[lunafringe10]

its not the ppl of belgium who committed attrocities but this cretin Leopold, and now his family, his offspring, have all the blood money in the bank, thats not fair

[Yochananable]

@lunafringe10

Those money shall soon gets into the air as soon as Belgium splits into two

[theprettyrosegirl14]

Bastard king

[Yochananable]

@theprettyrosegirl14

Satanic king !

[lunafringe10]

this leopold guy looks as ugly as u can get, his dark soul is written all over his face, may he burn in hell forever,

[Yochananable]

@lunafringe10

He has no dark soul indeed he has a white soul

This demoniac leader of the curs land of Begium

[lunafringe10]

this nazi stuff is getting so boring, especially if it comes from the very ppl who turned africa into a holocaust. and then tried to sweep it under the carpet,

and another thing, germany doesnt need belgium, and the netherlands for that matter, i know they hate us, yet, they still prostitute themselves to make biz with us, whats keeping u from cutting diplomatic ties? like i said, we dont need u, no one needs u, and africa dont need u either, the swiss chocolate is also better then urs

[Cocalighto]

No need to exaggerate: Swiss chocolate really sucks compared to ours! Belgians don't hate Germany. My own grandmother, and so a large part of my family, is German. I don't hate myself! I understand your frustration about the unbalanced view of European history, but I can't help that. WWII was fought all over the world, while our colonial history can only be placed in a certain african area. We're Europeans and we all need each other, but I agree Germany by far contributes most. Thanks for that!

[soulripper31]

Go ahead and do it, I wouldn't mind if the Royal family would go to prison. They just cost us money anyway.

And most Belgians don't hate people from the Netherlands. The only problem Belgium has with the Netherlands are some economical problems concerning the port of Antwerp and some train lines. And Antwerp is the second biggest port in Europe, so Europe does need us :)

[soulripper30]

@lunafringe10

You do know the most important place throughout history in Europe was always the seventeen provinces right(Current Belgium and Netherlands)

You do know the biggest harbors in Europe are Antwerp and Rotterdam right? You do know the political centre of the EU is in Brussels right? You do know the NAVO headquarters is in Brussels right? You do know that Flanders is one of the most rich regions in Europe right? I can go on with this a long time you know :)

[lunafringe10]

@soulripper30 well maybe i was never there, And i wont go there, Nothing interesting there, For me at least,

[lunafringe10]

well, i said clearly, take the wealth of the belgian royal family and restitute the ppl of congo, that is what i said, we paid restitution to a lot of countries, after WW1 and WW2. why are others not paying for their crimes?

[Cocalighto]

Look, what was asked from germany at the Versailles treaty was nothing more than the justice of the winner. It was wrong to make Germany pay for everything and it led to WWII. That Germany has paid for Jewish families after WWII is normal. We do help Congo, and we won't be able to help them more by breaking off buildings and castles that were founded with Leopold's money. We did and still do pay for our colonial past. We're just not as famous as Germany, far not as famous.

[lunafringe10]

maybe the selfrighteous belgians should start paying up some money, and their royalty should be taken into prison and their riches sent back to the congo,

[Cocalighto]

One can never hold the offspring accountable for the crimes committed by the ancestors. In that case every country in the whole world would have nothing more to do than apologizing and setting of debts. The present king can't help what his great great grandfather did. And what "riches", should we send back the rocks and iron used for the statutes and monuments Leopold brought here with his money from Congo? In fact, Belgium does financially contribute to Congo. We even train their military.

[theprettyrosegirl14]

since the belgians grabbed the congolese women to get the men from the villages to take the diamonds back to belgium, did some of the belgian men rape the congolese women in the process?

[h8uall66]

I don't know, but I imagine it had to have happened at least a few times.

[theprettyrosegirl14]

why would they do that if they just want black labour for diamonds? why would they rape the women there?

[Eiketsu3000]

You didn't prove that Leopold II of Belgium was a catholic, don't you have anything like quotes or his upbringing to prove his religious beliefs?

[Yochananable]

@theprettyrosegirl14

I am the King of the Kings

This man above deserves death !

He is lucky for living before my era !

[lunafringe10]

i didnt realize until just recently, what bloody ancestry we had in Europe, It wasnt only hitler, it was all of them, hitler only disciplined all of them, yes we never heard abt this leopold before, his family should be stripped of their riches and the money should go back to the congo

[Raybanmonster]

I wish I was able to kill this man in the congo. Leopold was the bastard scum of European imperialism.. and they were all very bad

[tabithadee]

well said

[Raybanmonster]

I cried when I heard about what King Leopold did to the Congolese black people. Unbelievable

[h8uall66]

That's understandable. The things he did in the name of profit were so horrible.

[Raybanmonster]

h8uall66

can you help me? How is this percieved amongst the people of Belgium today? what is thier own sense of this isue? and how does it "play" on the minds of the people?

Thank you.

[h8uall66]

You know, I'm really not sure. It's a good question though. I am going to have to look into it.

[Raybanmonster]

Please do.. the sentiment of a nation post Barak Obama is an interesting time to gauge a nations views is it not?

[micvrom]

As a Belgian, I believe I can say that less people than you would expect are aware of the details of this part of history. But if they did, I think most of the people would say it's a significant part of (our) history, no less, but no more either.

[Raybanmonster]

Ultimately yes, its all our history now.

[MebefromBelgium]

@Raybanmonster Actually a while ago Congo was 50 years independent, the newspapers made a great deal about the colonization while tv was wondering why they did only talk about that. We know what happened, at school we learn about the atrocities but it's not like it still haunts us. We were wrong and we accept that.

[philthetremoloking]

@Raybanmonster i can't speak for young belgians today as i haven't lived there in 20 years but i can tell you this. i was born and raised in belgium and i vividly remember in 6th grade seeing a picture in my history book of brave belgian soldiers liberating african slaves from arab slave traders. one of my great aunts was a missionary in comgo. NEVER did i hear one word about atrocities. the colonial museum in tervuren does not mention anything about slavery or atrocities.

[Raybanmonster]

@philthetremoloking wow.. very interesting, it is increasingly apparent that the west are conveniently blinded to thier past. Shocking.

[philthetremoloking]

@Raybanmonster you can say that again...

[philthetremoloking]

@Raybanmonster so i think it's fair to say that what happened was completely swept under the rug as if it never happened. it may be different today...i certainly hope so but i'm not too sure.

[Yochananable]

@Raybanmonster

The curse of Leopold's alnd can be witness by everyone, today Belgiuym has no goverment sice 9 months

It is soon going to die and split into two nations !

[Miguelito174]

This man was THE SHAME OF BELGIUM !!!!

Racist, sexist, dictator, authocrat, surpressor, exploitator of the working class and a real JACKASS !!!!!

[itscheeweetv]

u aint belgian u jackass!! u have no bloody right!!! we might have shame but let's see... which country ure from? probably it has a lot more shame then we have... spain perhaps? or maybe germany? oh well now shut up u fucktard!!!

[Miguelito174]

Wat zal het zijn snotneus. Doe je dat vaker? Mensen uitschelden omdat hun kop je niet aanstaat. Ge gaat er ver mee komen JONGENTJE. Proficiat.

En moest ge de moeite doen om mijn profiel te bekijken dan zou je weten uit welk land ik kom. Maar ja daar ben je vast te lui voor. Te volgevreten.

SUKKEL !!!!!

[fully1975]

great job..great video..thanx.

[saltfan2]

religion ire not people will kill.

[h8uall66]

Didn't I say that in the video?

[Eiketsu3000]

Islam does

[nichijuu]

except you have to remember (just like most Kings) they didn't know 100% what was going on and thus later in history we learn how a King mucked people over. Royalty were kept in the 'dark' about the real world. Look at France. The King and Queen didn't know what was going on but the 'commoners' though the royals knew...and well king and queen are no longer in France now.

[rollingstarts]

Actually it varies from as "low" as 3 million people to as high as 22 million people, the estimates are pretty shaky

But how do you know he was Catholic?, and is there evidence he was doing this in the name of religion?

[AulicExclusiva]

The word is CONGOLESE.

[h8uall66]

THANK YOU!

[DarkFuschia]

I don't think Catholic theists have ever claimed religion is a guarantee of morality, especially given that would be contrary to the nature of original sin.

Very interesting I will look up Leopold II. It's so sad how many leaders have treated life so cheap in their times.

[h8uall66]

So true.

[fracturedminds]

Life is cheap - it really is!

[thoushallreason]

im always interested in your videos and hearing what you have to say about superstitous beliefs. And all this coming from a Devil Dog is just amazing to me. Im planning on joining the corps next summer and it feels great knowing that there is other Marines out there that dont believe in supertitious dogma. what was your MOS?

[h8uall66]

You will honestly be surprised how many Marines, when asked this question, will spout off four digits and then fold their arms while adopting a smug look, as if they have just impressed the shit out of you. Unless you are an 0311, no one knows your MOS code, no one cares, and you can be certain that no one is impressed. Unless you want to look like an ass, answer like so: I was an airwing support equipment mechanic/electrician, MOS code 6073.

[BigStr8Al]

Good video as usual my friend.

[h8uall66]

Thank you kindly sir!

[twothlesswonder]

I've personally known of King Leopold for quite some time, but I refuse to stoop to the same level as the christians who use the "atheism kills" spewage. Hell, we can debunk their claims without stooping so low anyway.

However, I really have to say that as a common ground for war and other such atrocities, there is no equal to dogma (religious or otherwise). Apathy is a close second but it's definitely not on par with dogma.

[ubergossen]

I think religion definitely has made at least a few people kill. Generally religion is just a catalyst.

[tooltime9901]

also, there was one an estimated 20 million native Americans in america. there are now something like 2 million left...

[soulripper31]

Tooltime:

More then 90% of the Aztecs and Inca's died because of the invasion of Spain. Most of the deaths were because of European diseases tho like the flew and the measles. They were defenseless against those diseases because their immunity system had never encountered them.

[bdsamlal]

How does that relate to the money that Belgium stole through Leopold?

[bdsamlal]

And that justifies the Belgium's rape of the Congo? Communicable disease unknowingly spread is equivalent to cutting people's hands off? Belgium must pay-now or in the future

[MebefromBelgium]

@bdsamlal Did you know that whenever something happens in central Africa everybody calls on Belgian diplomats for explanation? This diplomatic knowhow is not the result of colonialism, or of a strong economic or demographic presence, but because of the huge (for a nation the size of Belgium) amount of humanitarian aid that probably already saved more lives then the amount that was wasted back then. Belgium has paid, and is paying still.

[mungbeanman]

Nice!

No wait, I mean horrific.

Seriously, I totally understand where you're both coming from on this. It's possibly one of the most irritating debates between atheist and theist yet it still rears it's ugly head from time to time. However, I find our counter argument (as you demonstrated in this video) that Christianity is no guarantee of ethical behaviour to be the more convincing.

[themanwhoknew]

We don't bring it up because we don't care about the atrocity thing.

What someone else does doesn't hold you accoubtable.

[DehumanizeTV]

so ur basically saying that adam and eve sinned so why should we be held accountable for their actions... thats what chistians believe right?!

[themanwhoknew]

Some believe we're accountable for their actions. Others don't. But honestly Adam and Eve is a foolish idea from the start.

[LittleTruckingBozo]

Got to check this out. Scientist studied the brains of creationist and found the are 3% smaller then the every day person. w ww. smouch. net/lol

[SuperFlyNB]

And you are right.. the problem is not that Christians are evil (that's not fair to say and my parents are very Christian.. )...I know a lot of good Christians... My next video will explain that as it will be about Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin (atheists) and POLITICS... may make my position clear.. thanks

Oh.. you are not putting words in my mouth btw.. you seem to understand what is ACTUALLY being said and keeping it in context ... expanding on the video....appreciated

[SuperFlyNB]

Great response. Will add that the list... Thank you