BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
My only regretts is that I did not take the opportunity to train at Enoida Shihan Dojo when I was in UK.What Enoeda Shihan does is so unique for him.What a great Karateka and a lost for all Shotokan styles.
My advice on IEKUKATAKA is: ignore him. Now I'm an open-minded martial artist, and in that spirit invited this guy, who is on EVERY Shotokan clip, sounding off and calling it BS, to show us what he's got on Youtube, so we can judge his credentials and testimony for ourselves. He has totally bottled it. So whatever he says from now can't be taken seriously; he talks the talk, but the I'm afraid the walk's far beyond him. What a clown!
Osu,All I can Say that A lion does not have a small Cry.It is load.Enoeda Sensei Kia was unsuall for most.However it was right for Enoeda Sensei.He was the Tiger of Shotokan Karate.Enormous Heart,Enormous power and a great Samarua.
For those who are rightly proud members of JKA I would remind them that the late Enoeda Sensei was one of the fellow founder members of the"JAPAN KARATE ASSOCIATION"
My friend Technically you ARE VERY right but KATA is also exhibition of fighting Spirit as well as a mathematical and practical fighting method!!! There is no question and doubt that the late Enoeda Sensei who was a real living legend then was absolutely aware of "the short and focussed release of energy" which is indeed the essence of this kind of Budo.
I remember the Sensei used to say "Kata is also like poetry", you reflect some of your character in your Kata.
@1000MOSHT I am a JKA life member, trained in Japan. Enoeda is a legend; their legend. It is easy to admire ones teacher. However, stepping back and looking at one in the perspective of a martial art may tell another story. I followed the JKA for 25 years and was licensed to teach. Eventually I realized they focus on a sport, Karate is a martial art and I left the JKA and became a more complete karate player. See YouTube conversation Tekki Shodan Mikio Ohta and myself, he will tell you truth.
@IEKUKATAKA Actually, my sources for this POV is not just from JKA, but from books like Secrets of the Samurai from Oscar Ratti (under section of kiai), as well as references from books in Kendo, Kenjutsu, Judo and Aikido. If you can get hold of the old 80's video, Budo - Art of Killing, you'll see the clip in Judo where they do kata demonstration (their kata is performed with partners) and they throw with long sharp kiai. Same as the Kenjutsu (Batto Jutsu) section of the video as well.
@IEKUKATAKA Only after I got beaten up I discovered the importance of kata and bunkai. When I came to NYC in 1995, I couldn't find a legit Shotokan dojo, so I joined the JKA. Though sport kumite was good, it was lacking in bunkai practice which I wanted. I also wanted to understand Funakoshi's original POV, so I joined Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu. There I learned original Heian kata (Pinan) and its bunkai, as well as Okinawan POV on Karate. I also read up on Shotokan and Okinawan Karate history.
@IEKUKATAKA In the deeper aspects of kata you would find the difference between 'JUTSU' and 'DO'. 'Jutsu' refers to surface.or technical / practical aspect of a technique. In your argument, Enoeda sensei's kiai does not apply, as you are referring to its (relation to practical application. His kiai performance goes deeper, as it refers to the 'DO', the more spiritual or inner-reflective aspect. This same kiai is practiced in other Budo arts such as Kenjutsu, Judo and Aikido.
@Bassai Sorry for the bluntness but that is a crock of dung sold to you by the JKA lineage. Original kata came from yakusoku kumite and first hand experience. It was a means of remembering and therefore practicing technique thought useful in combat. Karate is a martial art devised by the Okinawans, not the Japanese. DO came into play with the Meiji Restoration and eventually allowed The JKA to become a sport. Combative response requires combative training and combative education, jutsu not do.
@IEKUKATAKA The same kiai is not just used in Shotokan kata, but in Shito, Wado, Goju-Kai and other Karate styles as well. BTW, the term Karate wasn't used 'till the 1920's. It's more of generic term and Okinawans did not own it solely. I trained with Matsubayashi Shorin-Ryu as well, and they make a distinction between Japanese and Okinawan Karate, but still agree its Karate. Just as Kung-Fu has many schools from different regions of China, either for sport or other its still Kung-Fu.
@IEKUKATAKA Historically, you're wrong about the transition of JUTSU to DO. It was during the long, peaceful period Tokugawa Shogunate (200 years) when martial philosophy changed amongst samurai, since their use in warfare was not needed anymore. Many turned to Zen Buddhism (eventually retiring as priests) and transformed their martial skills into vehicles of spiritual enlightenment. With the violent Meiji restoration, the samurai were put out of power altogether.
@IEKUKATAKA Additonally, not all Japanese practice Karate (Japanese brand) for sport only. Many have found another use for it besides as a notebook for fighting techniques. Especially those original students of Funakoshi (JKA or other schools of Shotokan) who continued to practice for the same spiritual purpose before tournaments were held in Tokyo. Example: Okano of Kenko-Juku, a Shotokan school which had not affiliated itself with the JKA, established even earlier than the latter (1942).
@IEKUKATAKA Although Judo and Aikido were developed during the Meiji restoration period, the Philosophy of enlightenment through martial arts pre-dates that period, during Tokugawa's rule. Evidence of this thought are in Musashi's and Yagyu (Shogun's sword teacher) writings, as well as material from Zen Monk, Dakuan (Musashi's Zen teacher).
@IEKUKATAKA The kata practice in Iai-Do is also similar to the Japanese Budo philosophy of using kata as a vehicle for enlightenment used in Japanese Karate kata. To those practitioners, perfection of technique in kata is what they continuously practice in. They strive to attain Mushin in each performance, as what a Karate-ka should strive for in his own performance. As in Kyudo, hitting the target is not the point, but your mind in motion. We both agree, sport Karate distorts this view.
@IEKUKATAKA DO doesn't allow one to become a sport. To take an art and practice it as a sport is simply up to the practitioner. As mentioned, many Budo (not Bujutsu) arts are practiced not just as a sport, such as Kyudo, Iaido and other forms of Kenjutsu. The distortion begins when the practitioner cannot distinguish between what is sport, what is DO and what is JUTSU.
@IEKUKATAKA When I started practicing Shotokan in the 80's (non-JKA), I did it because I thought it was a cool sport. Then, I got my ass kicked and I discovered that my training was just for sport, even after three years of practice. I hated our regular kata and bunkai practice because I thought it too tedious and just wanted to practice jiyu kumite.
@IEKUKATAKA My fascination on Shotokan and Okinawan history lead me to do research on the other Karate Styles (Japanese and Okinawan) as well. This is turn, lead me to a path of study on Budo arts and the samurai culture. At the end of my journey I asked myself: Why are you studying martial arts? Initially, for the fun sport. Self-defense came next (and partially still is today. I now practice BJJ). But now, I still practice kata by myself because I understand the Japanese concept of DO.
@Bassai It made it to my email before you removed it. The problem I have with what you see in Do is that the JKA does not teach that. Don't tell me they do, they don't. In 25 years with them they didn't. Nishiyama, Okazaki, Koyama, Yaguchi, Mikami didn't, I trained with them, Didn't!! So, the world at large gets a flawed message because the term Budo is used as if using the term Budo makes everything a martial art. It isn't and I don't buy it anymore, am in a better place and love it. C profile
@IEKUKATAKA To certain extent, you are right about the JKA not promoting the art in relation to DO and none of the teachers you stated would ever talk about it in class But did you ever ask them about it? Isami Shiroma sensei, Mori's sensei's 2nd, (who's Okinawan and studied under Okinawan master Choshin Chibana) talked to me about it during dinner after class. He mentioned that Karate is what eventually whatever you want to make of it. Sport, Self Defense, Spiritual training, its up to you.
@IEKUKATAKA I never got that idea: "So, the world at large gets a flawed message because the term Budo is used as if using the term Budo makes everything a martial art. It isn't..." and never came across it in my studies. Zen and Budo are related to each other, but are separate things. Budo, or the art of fighting, can be used as a vehicle to learn ZEN. To understand Budo, you have distinguish the difference between JUTSU and DO. You have to decide what do you personally want JUTSU or DO?
@Bassai I got involved in 1964, what were you doing then? I trained with the best, listened and learned. I advanced and was licensed to teach by the JKA under Okazaki. Unfortunately, I learned of the contradictions, the delusion, the politics and the clear fact that the JKA is a business that sells a sport. I saw social promotions and activities that delay the progress of students and Mori is knee deep in it, I met him also. You like it, fine, time will change that if you are observant.
@IEKUKATAKA I know what the JKA stands for and what Nakayama did. But I understood the difference between sport and JUTSU when I got my asked kicked. That came to me only after four years of focusing on sport kumite training and neglecting Kata and Bunkai practice. Your earlier start has nothing to do with my own experience. It seems it took you a longer time to understand this. Before I joined the JKA 1995 I already could distinguish between sport and JUTSU. I understood DO on my research.
@Bassai The following is a direct quote from a Shotokan shisho in Japan. I put the xxx and yyy in because I don't want to involve him. Take it for what it is worth, it's from the horses mouth. “JKA karate is essentially Nakayama karate, one of Funakoshi's students. Funakoshi hated (jiyu) kumite, Nakayama embraced it and created what is basically tournament karate today. Check out the JKA website for more details.” xxxxxxxx, Instructor, yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Shotokan Karate, May, 2010.
@IEKUKATAKA I know that quote, as it was mentioned not only by the person you quoted it from, but from people like KInjo Hiroshi, Patrick McCarthy, etc... It's also mentioned in Harry Cook's "Shotokan: A Precise History". When I got into JKA, I knew what I was getting in to: sport kumite, watered down bunkai, lack of conditioning training. But I already appreciated Shotokan as the art so I knew how to direct myself. I joined Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu to learn more bunkai as research.
@IEKUKATAKA But to say that JKA style (or other Japanese style Karate like Wado / Shito / Goju-Kai / Kyokushin, etc..) sport Karate is totally useless is not entirely true. It could be said its lacking, but not entirely useless. Example would be Lyoto Machida's successes in MMA, as his JKA -style based footwork and timing (almost perfect sen-no-sen and go-no-sen... Mushashi concepts borrowed by the JKA) served him well. Lyoto's JUTSU path led him to train in BJJ as he understood the deficiency
@IEKUKATAKA ... deficiency of JKA sport Karate. I wouldn't be surprised if he understood the concept of DO, as he indicated in an interview that Sochin (his favorite kata) practice is for his own personal training. His father, of course, a one-time JKA Shihan in Brazil most probably taught him this. Keep in mind you had been training with JKA long before he was born, but through the tutelage of his father, a JKA teacher, he came to understand what path he wanted to follow: Sport, JUTSU or DO.
@Bassai You walk into a ball park, there is to be a baseball game. Two teams go on the field, each has three people, there are two bases, one out, one strike, one ball thay bat with a tennis racket and throw a walnut. An expert says it is baseball. What do you say? Apply the same to original karate. What do you say now? it is the exact same principle. It originated as a martial art and now so called experts are saying it can be anything. They also collect tuitions for saying that.
@IEKUKATAKA What do you care what the JKA does? If you truly understand the history and evolution of not just Karate, but martial arts period, whatever the JKA does is simply following suit among the lines of martial arts evolution. JKA is not the only organization that promotes sport Karate, as there are the Shito-Kai, Shito-Ryu, Ryobukai, Goju-Kai, Kyokushin and many others. Its an evolutionary tidal wave you can't stop. Even some Okinawan schools embraced it. There are tournaments in...
@Bassai I believe in truth and integrity, an element of our past that made us great and that has dropped to the wayside in order for many to have everything their way............. like karate. Take care, I am done, you have had too much JKA cool aid and your ego is so involved that you can't see past your own needs for the JKA to be it all for you.
@IEKUKATAKA I don't think I had too much JKA Cool-Ade, as I understand its pros and cons. I just take it as it is. A person who actually had too much JKA Cool-Ade thinks that JKA kumite and bunkai actually is the best there is. JKA kata can be taken two ways: for sport or personal developement, and I take the latter. I still train in BJJ because I understand the deficiencies of not just JKA style Karate, but Shotokan as a whole (I started non-JKA Shotokan). Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu provided
@IEKUKATAKA me with the Okinawan kata and bunkai and their general outlook on Karate. Further reading and cross training with other Okinawan Karate styles (as well as Japanese Kyokushin) further enhanced my POV on the martial art, and made me understand Shotokan (JKA or either) and Funakoshi a lot better. So I take Shotokan as it is, for good or for worse. But banging against the JKA because of what it stands for is just pissing in the wind. Their movement is simply part of Shu-Ha-Ri...
@IEKUKATAKA Also, keep in mind that it is YOUR OWN EGO that pulls you to post comments and state whats on your mind. If you truly have an understanding of human nature, everyone's POV has a flaw, including your own. No one is perfect. Not even senseis, Okinawan or Japanese. I am just simply countering your statement as you had posted it as an invitation for discussion. Never in this discussion did I glorify myself, just stating intelligent ideas which could be supported by written material.
@Bassai “A martial person must make their living away from the martial arts so as not to contaminate it through the influence of making money in order to make a living.” Chibana Chosin, student of Itosu Anko and soke of Shorin Ryu. (Making a living teaching karate allows the student to become the customer and the customer is always right.)
@IEKUKATAKA I mentioned to you that Isami Sensei of the JKA was one Choshin Chibana's students, but he has no problem with the JKA... as I was saying there are even tournaments held in Okinawa as well. Sports Karate, as bad as it is, is something no one can stop as it is a product of man's desire to compete against fellow man. So for you to rant and rave against sport Karate and the JKA is just a waste of time. You need to go beyond Jutsu and focus on your own personal Karate-Do.
@IEKUKATAKA And finally, Funakoshi himself writes about DO, or Karate as a vehicle of spiritual enlightenment in his book, Karate-Do Kyohan, in the introductory section of "The Way From Techniques". He states: "...The source of concern is largely based on the misconception from instructors of poor character, who thoughtlessly place the emphasis of training in techniques rather than on the spiritual aspects of DO, and from the misbehavior and poor attitudes of Karate students who are learning..
@IEKUKATAKA be on the receiving end of one of his punches and see how effective it is...impact is only a split second after that it doesnt matter how long a kiai is.... whats wrong wit u? lol
Can't get much better than this ! I was lucky enough to have met Enoada sensei . A real master with tremendous spirit and awesome technique ,the man was the real deal rightly called shotokan tiger !
Great to see Enoeda again, he graded me all the way to sho dan back in the late 80's, along with Master Ohta in the UK. He had everybodys total respect, wish there were more like him today.
that last ki-ai tells youi everything you need to know about master enoeda. fortunate enough to take my sho and ni dan with him. his spirit was immense. thanks for the videos, footage of ohta has been rare until now.
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BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
pomminsu 1 month ago
TheWolfjr 3 months ago
How old was he when he died and what from?
Djinnmeister 6 months ago
@Djinnmeister He was 68 when he died from cancer!
1000MOSHT 6 months ago
My only regretts is that I did not take the opportunity to train at Enoida Shihan Dojo when I was in UK.What Enoeda Shihan does is so unique for him.What a great Karateka and a lost for all Shotokan styles.
SKIFTIGER 8 months ago
Rest in Peace , Sensei Enoeda !
22finbob 10 months ago
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My advice on IEKUKATAKA is: ignore him. Now I'm an open-minded martial artist, and in that spirit invited this guy, who is on EVERY Shotokan clip, sounding off and calling it BS, to show us what he's got on Youtube, so we can judge his credentials and testimony for ourselves. He has totally bottled it. So whatever he says from now can't be taken seriously; he talks the talk, but the I'm afraid the walk's far beyond him. What a clown!
masserby 1 year ago
God bless him,I passed my dans with him when I use to practice shotokan.
molezay 1 year ago
rest in peace master enoeda you will forever be remember in our hearts in the art of shotokan karate
TheShotokankarateguy 1 year ago
wow, that is scary fast/powerful
brinnonvallere 1 year ago
Osu,All I can Say that A lion does not have a small Cry.It is load.Enoeda Sensei Kia was unsuall for most.However it was right for Enoeda Sensei.He was the Tiger of Shotokan Karate.Enormous Heart,Enormous power and a great Samarua.
SKIFTIGER 1 year ago
For those who are rightly proud members of JKA I would remind them that the late Enoeda Sensei was one of the fellow founder members of the"JAPAN KARATE ASSOCIATION"
1000MOSHT 1 year ago 4
@1000MOSHT And the KUGB of which I am a proud karateka. Oss!
PnutButter1986 1 year ago
@_@ the Tiger of Shotokan. Even on video his ki-ai scared me! Amazing. Well respected by many martial artists even outside of the Shotokan circle :)
DragonboyVNY 1 year ago
This is the Tiger of shotokan we will allways celebrate excelence , because we are always loking to achive, excelence. ossu thanks for pousting .
MrSamurai8 1 year ago
What is the story on the long kiai coupled with the short release of energy in a punch.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
Kiai that is usable can not possibly be that long in that application.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
IEKUKATAKA ,
My friend Technically you ARE VERY right but KATA is also exhibition of fighting Spirit as well as a mathematical and practical fighting method!!! There is no question and doubt that the late Enoeda Sensei who was a real living legend then was absolutely aware of "the short and focussed release of energy" which is indeed the essence of this kind of Budo.
I remember the Sensei used to say "Kata is also like poetry", you reflect some of your character in your Kata.
1000MOSHT 1 year ago 5
@1000MOSHT I am a JKA life member, trained in Japan. Enoeda is a legend; their legend. It is easy to admire ones teacher. However, stepping back and looking at one in the perspective of a martial art may tell another story. I followed the JKA for 25 years and was licensed to teach. Eventually I realized they focus on a sport, Karate is a martial art and I left the JKA and became a more complete karate player. See YouTube conversation Tekki Shodan Mikio Ohta and myself, he will tell you truth.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA Actually, my sources for this POV is not just from JKA, but from books like Secrets of the Samurai from Oscar Ratti (under section of kiai), as well as references from books in Kendo, Kenjutsu, Judo and Aikido. If you can get hold of the old 80's video, Budo - Art of Killing, you'll see the clip in Judo where they do kata demonstration (their kata is performed with partners) and they throw with long sharp kiai. Same as the Kenjutsu (Batto Jutsu) section of the video as well.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA Only after I got beaten up I discovered the importance of kata and bunkai. When I came to NYC in 1995, I couldn't find a legit Shotokan dojo, so I joined the JKA. Though sport kumite was good, it was lacking in bunkai practice which I wanted. I also wanted to understand Funakoshi's original POV, so I joined Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu. There I learned original Heian kata (Pinan) and its bunkai, as well as Okinawan POV on Karate. I also read up on Shotokan and Okinawan Karate history.
Bassai 1 year ago
It's not just logical and mechanical/Mathematical exercise! There's more.
Enoeda Sensei always had the greatest fighting spirit. I remember his mere presence in the Dojo was so inspiring.
RIP Enoeda Sensei. I feel very proud to have been one of his students.
1000MOSHT 1 year ago 2
@IEKUKATAKA In the deeper aspects of kata you would find the difference between 'JUTSU' and 'DO'. 'Jutsu' refers to surface.or technical / practical aspect of a technique. In your argument, Enoeda sensei's kiai does not apply, as you are referring to its (relation to practical application. His kiai performance goes deeper, as it refers to the 'DO', the more spiritual or inner-reflective aspect. This same kiai is practiced in other Budo arts such as Kenjutsu, Judo and Aikido.
Bassai 1 year ago
@Bassai Sorry for the bluntness but that is a crock of dung sold to you by the JKA lineage. Original kata came from yakusoku kumite and first hand experience. It was a means of remembering and therefore practicing technique thought useful in combat. Karate is a martial art devised by the Okinawans, not the Japanese. DO came into play with the Meiji Restoration and eventually allowed The JKA to become a sport. Combative response requires combative training and combative education, jutsu not do.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA The same kiai is not just used in Shotokan kata, but in Shito, Wado, Goju-Kai and other Karate styles as well. BTW, the term Karate wasn't used 'till the 1920's. It's more of generic term and Okinawans did not own it solely. I trained with Matsubayashi Shorin-Ryu as well, and they make a distinction between Japanese and Okinawan Karate, but still agree its Karate. Just as Kung-Fu has many schools from different regions of China, either for sport or other its still Kung-Fu.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA Historically, you're wrong about the transition of JUTSU to DO. It was during the long, peaceful period Tokugawa Shogunate (200 years) when martial philosophy changed amongst samurai, since their use in warfare was not needed anymore. Many turned to Zen Buddhism (eventually retiring as priests) and transformed their martial skills into vehicles of spiritual enlightenment. With the violent Meiji restoration, the samurai were put out of power altogether.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA Additonally, not all Japanese practice Karate (Japanese brand) for sport only. Many have found another use for it besides as a notebook for fighting techniques. Especially those original students of Funakoshi (JKA or other schools of Shotokan) who continued to practice for the same spiritual purpose before tournaments were held in Tokyo. Example: Okano of Kenko-Juku, a Shotokan school which had not affiliated itself with the JKA, established even earlier than the latter (1942).
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA Although Judo and Aikido were developed during the Meiji restoration period, the Philosophy of enlightenment through martial arts pre-dates that period, during Tokugawa's rule. Evidence of this thought are in Musashi's and Yagyu (Shogun's sword teacher) writings, as well as material from Zen Monk, Dakuan (Musashi's Zen teacher).
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA The kata practice in Iai-Do is also similar to the Japanese Budo philosophy of using kata as a vehicle for enlightenment used in Japanese Karate kata. To those practitioners, perfection of technique in kata is what they continuously practice in. They strive to attain Mushin in each performance, as what a Karate-ka should strive for in his own performance. As in Kyudo, hitting the target is not the point, but your mind in motion. We both agree, sport Karate distorts this view.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA DO doesn't allow one to become a sport. To take an art and practice it as a sport is simply up to the practitioner. As mentioned, many Budo (not Bujutsu) arts are practiced not just as a sport, such as Kyudo, Iaido and other forms of Kenjutsu. The distortion begins when the practitioner cannot distinguish between what is sport, what is DO and what is JUTSU.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA When I started practicing Shotokan in the 80's (non-JKA), I did it because I thought it was a cool sport. Then, I got my ass kicked and I discovered that my training was just for sport, even after three years of practice. I hated our regular kata and bunkai practice because I thought it too tedious and just wanted to practice jiyu kumite.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA My fascination on Shotokan and Okinawan history lead me to do research on the other Karate Styles (Japanese and Okinawan) as well. This is turn, lead me to a path of study on Budo arts and the samurai culture. At the end of my journey I asked myself: Why are you studying martial arts? Initially, for the fun sport. Self-defense came next (and partially still is today. I now practice BJJ). But now, I still practice kata by myself because I understand the Japanese concept of DO.
Bassai 1 year ago
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Bassai 1 year ago
@Bassai It made it to my email before you removed it. The problem I have with what you see in Do is that the JKA does not teach that. Don't tell me they do, they don't. In 25 years with them they didn't. Nishiyama, Okazaki, Koyama, Yaguchi, Mikami didn't, I trained with them, Didn't!! So, the world at large gets a flawed message because the term Budo is used as if using the term Budo makes everything a martial art. It isn't and I don't buy it anymore, am in a better place and love it. C profile
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA To certain extent, you are right about the JKA not promoting the art in relation to DO and none of the teachers you stated would ever talk about it in class But did you ever ask them about it? Isami Shiroma sensei, Mori's sensei's 2nd, (who's Okinawan and studied under Okinawan master Choshin Chibana) talked to me about it during dinner after class. He mentioned that Karate is what eventually whatever you want to make of it. Sport, Self Defense, Spiritual training, its up to you.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA I never got that idea: "So, the world at large gets a flawed message because the term Budo is used as if using the term Budo makes everything a martial art. It isn't..." and never came across it in my studies. Zen and Budo are related to each other, but are separate things. Budo, or the art of fighting, can be used as a vehicle to learn ZEN. To understand Budo, you have distinguish the difference between JUTSU and DO. You have to decide what do you personally want JUTSU or DO?
Bassai 1 year ago
@Bassai I got involved in 1964, what were you doing then? I trained with the best, listened and learned. I advanced and was licensed to teach by the JKA under Okazaki. Unfortunately, I learned of the contradictions, the delusion, the politics and the clear fact that the JKA is a business that sells a sport. I saw social promotions and activities that delay the progress of students and Mori is knee deep in it, I met him also. You like it, fine, time will change that if you are observant.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA I know what the JKA stands for and what Nakayama did. But I understood the difference between sport and JUTSU when I got my asked kicked. That came to me only after four years of focusing on sport kumite training and neglecting Kata and Bunkai practice. Your earlier start has nothing to do with my own experience. It seems it took you a longer time to understand this. Before I joined the JKA 1995 I already could distinguish between sport and JUTSU. I understood DO on my research.
Bassai 1 year ago
@Bassai The following is a direct quote from a Shotokan shisho in Japan. I put the xxx and yyy in because I don't want to involve him. Take it for what it is worth, it's from the horses mouth. “JKA karate is essentially Nakayama karate, one of Funakoshi's students. Funakoshi hated (jiyu) kumite, Nakayama embraced it and created what is basically tournament karate today. Check out the JKA website for more details.” xxxxxxxx, Instructor, yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Shotokan Karate, May, 2010.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA I know that quote, as it was mentioned not only by the person you quoted it from, but from people like KInjo Hiroshi, Patrick McCarthy, etc... It's also mentioned in Harry Cook's "Shotokan: A Precise History". When I got into JKA, I knew what I was getting in to: sport kumite, watered down bunkai, lack of conditioning training. But I already appreciated Shotokan as the art so I knew how to direct myself. I joined Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu to learn more bunkai as research.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA But to say that JKA style (or other Japanese style Karate like Wado / Shito / Goju-Kai / Kyokushin, etc..) sport Karate is totally useless is not entirely true. It could be said its lacking, but not entirely useless. Example would be Lyoto Machida's successes in MMA, as his JKA -style based footwork and timing (almost perfect sen-no-sen and go-no-sen... Mushashi concepts borrowed by the JKA) served him well. Lyoto's JUTSU path led him to train in BJJ as he understood the deficiency
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA ... deficiency of JKA sport Karate. I wouldn't be surprised if he understood the concept of DO, as he indicated in an interview that Sochin (his favorite kata) practice is for his own personal training. His father, of course, a one-time JKA Shihan in Brazil most probably taught him this. Keep in mind you had been training with JKA long before he was born, but through the tutelage of his father, a JKA teacher, he came to understand what path he wanted to follow: Sport, JUTSU or DO.
Bassai 1 year ago
@Bassai You walk into a ball park, there is to be a baseball game. Two teams go on the field, each has three people, there are two bases, one out, one strike, one ball thay bat with a tennis racket and throw a walnut. An expert says it is baseball. What do you say? Apply the same to original karate. What do you say now? it is the exact same principle. It originated as a martial art and now so called experts are saying it can be anything. They also collect tuitions for saying that.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA What do you care what the JKA does? If you truly understand the history and evolution of not just Karate, but martial arts period, whatever the JKA does is simply following suit among the lines of martial arts evolution. JKA is not the only organization that promotes sport Karate, as there are the Shito-Kai, Shito-Ryu, Ryobukai, Goju-Kai, Kyokushin and many others. Its an evolutionary tidal wave you can't stop. Even some Okinawan schools embraced it. There are tournaments in...
Bassai 1 year ago
@Bassai I believe in truth and integrity, an element of our past that made us great and that has dropped to the wayside in order for many to have everything their way............. like karate. Take care, I am done, you have had too much JKA cool aid and your ego is so involved that you can't see past your own needs for the JKA to be it all for you.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA I don't think I had too much JKA Cool-Ade, as I understand its pros and cons. I just take it as it is. A person who actually had too much JKA Cool-Ade thinks that JKA kumite and bunkai actually is the best there is. JKA kata can be taken two ways: for sport or personal developement, and I take the latter. I still train in BJJ because I understand the deficiencies of not just JKA style Karate, but Shotokan as a whole (I started non-JKA Shotokan). Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu provided
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA me with the Okinawan kata and bunkai and their general outlook on Karate. Further reading and cross training with other Okinawan Karate styles (as well as Japanese Kyokushin) further enhanced my POV on the martial art, and made me understand Shotokan (JKA or either) and Funakoshi a lot better. So I take Shotokan as it is, for good or for worse. But banging against the JKA because of what it stands for is just pissing in the wind. Their movement is simply part of Shu-Ha-Ri...
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA Also, keep in mind that it is YOUR OWN EGO that pulls you to post comments and state whats on your mind. If you truly have an understanding of human nature, everyone's POV has a flaw, including your own. No one is perfect. Not even senseis, Okinawan or Japanese. I am just simply countering your statement as you had posted it as an invitation for discussion. Never in this discussion did I glorify myself, just stating intelligent ideas which could be supported by written material.
Bassai 1 year ago
@Bassai “A martial person must make their living away from the martial arts so as not to contaminate it through the influence of making money in order to make a living.” Chibana Chosin, student of Itosu Anko and soke of Shorin Ryu. (Making a living teaching karate allows the student to become the customer and the customer is always right.)
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA I mentioned to you that Isami Sensei of the JKA was one Choshin Chibana's students, but he has no problem with the JKA... as I was saying there are even tournaments held in Okinawa as well. Sports Karate, as bad as it is, is something no one can stop as it is a product of man's desire to compete against fellow man. So for you to rant and rave against sport Karate and the JKA is just a waste of time. You need to go beyond Jutsu and focus on your own personal Karate-Do.
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA And finally, Funakoshi himself writes about DO, or Karate as a vehicle of spiritual enlightenment in his book, Karate-Do Kyohan, in the introductory section of "The Way From Techniques". He states: "...The source of concern is largely based on the misconception from instructors of poor character, who thoughtlessly place the emphasis of training in techniques rather than on the spiritual aspects of DO, and from the misbehavior and poor attitudes of Karate students who are learning..
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA ...poor attitudes of Karate students who are learning this art solely as a technique in fighting..."
Bassai 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA : Why would you say that? Study for a long time before making non-sensical comments and then you would be inclined to make them.
Danzakisan 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA be on the receiving end of one of his punches and see how effective it is...impact is only a split second after that it doesnt matter how long a kiai is.... whats wrong wit u? lol
Darragh62 11 months ago
Love this kata!!! Sochin!!!!
MrLillywhites 1 year ago
Now that is how you Kia!!! Amazing!!!
TheKickinj 2 years ago
funny>>in the slow motion section, some of the punches are still damned fast at end-technique.
DocVuDu 2 years ago
This man was credited woth having the strongest punch in Japan.
tuff234 2 years ago 12
@tuff234 Did everyone measure?
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@tuff234 iron hand punches
brinnonvallere 1 year ago
@tuff234 he did and still has the strognest punch on record!! Some people even said that he was able to kill a cow with it, and i believe them!
TheDexta007 1 year ago
Can't get much better than this ! I was lucky enough to have met Enoada sensei . A real master with tremendous spirit and awesome technique ,the man was the real deal rightly called shotokan tiger !
oghabealborz 2 years ago 5
i met enoeda (rip) he was a great karate professinal and quite rightly a 9th dan x
shazwalks 2 years ago 4
How you can say this is 'no good' i really don't know? this guy was awesome!!
dstyrrell 3 years ago
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No good!
acerwk 3 years ago
hehehe, this comment sounds like coming from a low grade Wado Starter...
1000MOSHT 3 years ago
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Whatever
acerwk 2 years ago
In what way? Saying no good without qualifying the comment is rather pathetic.
juliem59 2 years ago
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in a way of a real fighting.this moves dont work in real life..
acerwk 2 years ago
You obviously have never met Enoeda Sensei, a great fighter and fantastic karateka.
juliem59 2 years ago 3
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yes i didnt lost my time with moves that work only in the movies
acerwk 2 years ago
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t33can 2 years ago
people with zero imagination can't see the difference between training methods and actual real fighting ( JISSEN)
1000MOSHT 2 years ago
this guy is amazing.......
juliaxx98 2 years ago 4
Obviously you do not know the slighest bit of Karate-do and less of it´s Masters.
alexanderseghers 2 years ago
Its ridiculously inspiring to watch this
Sangiz 3 years ago
Do not understand the word you use :ridiculousely.
is this modern english for something very , very few of ALL of us can dream about ???
O Sensei Enoeda is probabely the greatest ever .
alexanderseghers 3 years ago 5
Superb Kata, and a great JKA Master!
mkdios122 3 years ago 5
Great to see Enoeda again, he graded me all the way to sho dan back in the late 80's, along with Master Ohta in the UK. He had everybodys total respect, wish there were more like him today.
notenoughbeer 3 years ago 8
Bloody hell! I can feel his power coming through my laptop!
watts18269 3 years ago 5
Yes Sir, He was awesome, Bless his soul. RIP
1000MOSHT 3 years ago
that last ki-ai tells youi everything you need to know about master enoeda. fortunate enough to take my sho and ni dan with him. his spirit was immense. thanks for the videos, footage of ohta has been rare until now.
phillipadhickson 3 years ago 2
PERFEITO OSS
katashotokan 3 years ago 5