im not cussing at you christens, just your god. he is a coward and a lizr. he can't even keep his story sraight. fuck him. fuck his bullshit eotism. fuck his being abainst our science. fuck him wanting to not have a cur for aids or cancer. if there are dieties out there, the devil is our friend. fuck yahwee.
Heard it a million and one times, I just dont' care. I am an apatheist. I DO sin willfully and I dont' care. haven't been steruck dead yet. Fuck 'em. Drinking a phuking bear right now, see yahwe, what are you going to do with my drunk ass. Oh my fucking god, still am living. Kill me you fuycik. You condemn us civilized humkans and demand that we do your dirty work, but you don't have the balls to get your hands bloody you god damned coward...fuck you!
Aorry, really drunk right now, but you know what I mean. christians can't be honest about the fact that you don't give a shit about the rest of us, you believe that you do. How do I know this? I used to be a fundamentalist but now am an Atheist. You fein compassion but the reality is you are afraid of Jesus saying to you at teh white throne judgement "depart from me you worker of iniquety, I never knew you". simply because you didn't tell my poor atheist ass about John 3:!6.
You are NOT empathic. You care only about yourselves. You condemn nonbelievers because you are afraid of losing your salvation as per Hebrews 10:26. If you don't condemn Atheists for nonbelief then how can you escape the wrath of Yawhe? You are accepting of our Atheism is you don't rebuke us. Don't patronize us and pretend that you actually care, THAT is why you are delusional.
@NaturalMamaNZ not all Christians are as you described them. What you described is just the certain group of people you grew up around. If you would talk to Christians, then you might find that most of them are quite caring and VERY empathetic. Also, how are ALL of us mentally unstable just because we know Truth?
The video is an attempt at a straw man argument. Not all say thatnthey would never change their mind if evidence to the contrary were presented. I have seen atheists who say they would still be atheists if God himself was manifested to them. Also, the celestial teapot is a horrible argument, because a teapot is something contingent and therefore of no comparison to a Necessary Being.
Hmm. Belief that p is a delusion only if p is false. So if you're trying to show that religious belief is a delusion, you need to show that it's false.
A "lack of proof" that p is not evidence that not-p.
And even if it were a fact that circum. evidence implies religions were human constructions, that wouldn't entail that the truth-claims of religion were false [not without a genetic fallacy that is]
Being heretical is this initial sign that one is lucid of mind. Faith is the refusal to be lucid of mind. It is the desire of the faithful to feed their delusion and defend it from reason.
Ignorance is bliss. This is one of the absolute truths I've accepted in life. If you're ignorant about politics you will vote based upon the commercials. If you're ignorant about business you will have complete faith in products based upon the companies word. If you're ignorant about pollution you will feel good after watching the Exxon commercial promoting their tree planting program. It all starts when you begin questioning things... then it's a depressing downward spiral from there :)
Great clip! Religion is a crutch for a lot of people who can't stand to face reality. But it's dangerous! I grew up in a christian community and they are among the most hateful, unempathetic, irrational and dysfunctional people I've ever met. They need to be in therapy, not a giant congregation that encourages and worsens their delusions and underlying issues. Unfortunately christians feel they can safety rebuff any claims they are mentally unstable because they have a team behind them.
fyi, being an Atheist is hard. You try living in a world where you realise your one of the 5% people who doesn't come with the delusional gene and hence has to go through life feeling like you better make the most out of every minute of every day because once it's over it's over. I can imagine for the other 95% a lot of them couldn't cope with that finality which takes care of your whole "even smart people believe in god tripe"
Throughout many periods of history there were mass delusions that were accepted then dumped after evidence came out against it. Example would the flat earth belief. In this case, as much as people would hate to hear it, is the use and manipulation of DNA. Once mastered by us, and we can do it morally and ethically, people will see that we can all play "god" and still survive without a magical version. This will replace "god" once people see that we are helping people and "god" isn't.
Atheists are just as delusional as theists, pretending they are having some sort of meaningful impact on humanity. We could cure cancer, AIDS, etc. but people are still going to die and cease to exist. Does it really matter if their lives are dragged out 10, 20, 30, 40 more years? Nope. Atheists are just people who don't have the intellectual honesty to be nihilists. No one's delusions are better than anyone else's.
Well i'm not deluded. I experience God's love and presence, my life is richer and more meaningful than any humanist who believes that the only meaning of our existence is to propagate the species, and then loose every notion of experience, relationship and love that you have had during your lifetime because you then cease to exist. Also the superficial sense of trying to suck the most pleasure out of every moment, when the reality is that most of the human race suffers in poverty and starvation.
why atheism is delusional, they think they got it right, until they find out they got it wrong, those that wake up, realize and those that don't waste their lives trying to prove to themselves they are right only to find they prove nothing to anyone much less themselves, kinda of like a bottomless pit, a black hole, nothingness. sad
atheism is not about proving us right, but proving your delusion wrong! Religion is nothing more than cults using fear of some supernatural punishment to control people which has no evidence to support it. Why should i believe something which has no evidence to support it?
YES! Thank you GreenDragon! It's time mass delusion stopped getting treated so well compared to other delusions. I hope one day to live in a world were no such mass delusions exist... That would be the day I could die happy. Knowing that mankind is no longer being held back and judged by religion. I would die for that day to happen for us all. It's sad that the majority of the believers of "God" have never read the Bible at all. Well except for the parts where Jesus isn't a mass murderer........
@LegendaryZody You know it...that is 1 big issue I have come across bible nuts. They talk the talk, but don't come close to walking the walk. Like...I wish they would make up thier minds. Let alone, buy thierselves a sense of humor.
mass delusions are prtected from criticism,bease the mass delusions help the deluded masses cope with their fears such as death and gives them a feel good crutch to get them through the day and ultimately through life. The difference is in vested interest. religion serves those in control, while average joe suffering from schitzophrenia doesnt.
ok so, accordings to the three criteria of delusions, athiests are delusional as well, because they are certain there is no god, there are compelling counter-arguments that say a god does exist, and when looked at it from a certain view, well its just impossible, now ill watch the rest of the video, the first one was just too easy
Additionally, in order to make your argument, you resort to generalizations of relgious people to prove your point. "I have found God" is a statement idiosyncratic of Christians, yet you basically just said a Daoist, who either does not believe in or is unconcerned with a god, would say such a thing. This is a sign of unfair rhetoric symptomatic of deficient logic. Just because your an atheist doesn't make you smart, and it's hypocritical for you to evangilize. Oh, and Korn sucks.
Your definition of religion sucks. Buddhism does not require, and many forms are absent of, any belief in supernatural forces. There have been traditional Rabbis that did not believe in the literal existence of supernatural forces such as angels and demons, and "supernatural force" doesn't exactly fit the Jewish concept of God, since you probably mean by "supernatural force" as something having a spiritual essence, which a jewish God does not have. There are forms of Hinduism that are atheist.
you bring up a good point when you say that if something sounds true enough to the right amount of people, it will spread without question. it is definitely part of human nature to try and explain things that they cannot.
oh see they took it off but you will see it somewhere else then rest assure and in it's place it now a video game that will give your pc a virus a no win no win situ**
hea getting off the point here look to your right there's an ad for booze the # 1 gatewat drug in the world ! not cool this lets kids know alc is ok alochol is a drug and the # 1 drug !
Read the DSM4TR introduction under Mental disorders Definition.
Its made a clear exception:
Neither deviant behavior (Political, religious or sexual) nor conflicts between the individual and society are mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of dysfunction.
The religion is used as a psychological reinforcement.
@Robells88 "unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of dysfunction." religion causes wars, hate, and dissent among nations therefore it is a symptom of dysfunction.
the thing i dont like about this video is that it only refers to christians, in order to be a real athiest you must be against all religions (islam, judaism, buddhism, shinto ect. not just christians) most so called "Athiests" are just dumb kids looking for something to rebel against and since being against christians is so socialy acceptabel most do just that, its basicly just an attempt at feeling special.
I'm guessing he made it referring to christianity because its the religion he is most familiar with. Just like most atheists from the middle east talk about Islam and others their familiar with.
wow. I was expecting that to make me really mad but I actually agree with a lot of your arguments. I really wish I could actually discuss this in person but... computer stalkers and all that. I am a Christian but I completely agree with your point about mass beliefs or "Delusions" getting special treatment and the unwillingness of religious people to accept new information. Thank you for posting this. It's given me something to think about.
i guess god just popped up out of nowhere? it's easier for me to believe matter came from nowhere and over billions of years everything became as it is today, then an omnipotent all seeing, all knowing spirity 'thing' did- or worse, that that thing has been around for eternally backward in time. i guess god WANTED evolution to make perfect sense and have a very strong scientific backing AND everything else that completely contradicts him? oh it's a test? a pretty fucked up one made for damnation
" it's easier for me to believe matter came from nowhere "
First off, atheist-mean no harm...check out "hawkins boundless universe theory"
It deals with vacuum fluctuations. Space is boundless, zero-pressure enviornment-therefore, an open-system vacuum. Matter didn't "pop up", it was inertia; energy created by fluctuations of the vacuum effect. This energy was condensed by this same effect, and eventually "split"-exploding in the form of super hot gas which cooled to matter as we know it.
Ever hear the phrase "Faith is blind"? If there was no room for doubt, we would never wonder and question and it wouldn't be faith. Faith without doubt is actually rather boring.
Dear OKSteele, This quote by Dan Barker is not intended to be condescending as I can see you are truly questioning faith.
Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down. down. Amen! If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.
You hear/read/are told/ that there is a purple car in the parking lot.... Can you really say there is a purple car in the parking lot?... I think you can only say, "I have heard of a purple car in the parking lot"
Yes I can say There really is a purple car in the parking lot, but I also acknowledge the fact that I cannot "prove" its existence to you by your definition of "evidence". My faith is personal, my faith doesn't rely on your approval, nor is it the interest of religion or the Bible to "prove" God's existence with what we accept today as empirical evidence. Thus, it is perfectly understandable that there are many atheists.
i dont understand your point? if something is a delusion then it means people believe it is real without evidence...if christians are accepting that they are delusional they are accepting that they believe in something that we have no reason to believe is real.
I could give you all kinds of example of what I call evidence. The problem is that you have determined, like me, what constitutes evidence, you want empirical evidence. You want God's DNA and a video of him walking into walmart.
Religion is control! And in a mass to maintain some order religion is needed. Imagine, if everyone new that there is nothing so basicly your hope of anything is unproductive because the absolute truth is nothing! It has been proven that through out the ages religion maintains some form of order! Give an individual the belief that there is more to come sustains the beast within! Consider yourself fortunate! you know there is nothing and in nothing lies your freedom.
"Even if something might be a delusion that does not mean it is wrong, so what's your point. I honestly want to know."
delusion - is commonly defined as a fixed false belief and is used in everyday language to describe a belief that is either false, fanciful or derived from deception.
...in other words, your wrong. Delusions are, by definition, untrue. It's ironic that your definition of delusion is a delusion of its own, lol.
Actually, being delusional does not always mean being wrong. Just as someone can be wrong without being delusional, someone can also be right while being delusional at the same time.
Besides, "delusion" is also associated with being just shy of mentally ill, which is why its just a word used to stir emotions and stifle rational discussion. Kind of like "Apartheid" when talking about the middle east. Or "pal around with terrorists" when discussing politics.
"..."delusion" is also associated with being just shy of mentally ill..."
I agree, that's part of the definition. The dictionary also states the part I mentioned prior: a fixed, false belief...one that is also psychotic in nature...so we are both right...but, of course, far be it from me to take away your right to refute the dictionary. :D
I'm mostly referring to popular perception of the word, which often times matters more than the dictionary definition in public discourse. That is why it is little more than a buzz word.
I suppose a better way to phrase it would be: "one COULD assume the delusional belief to be false based on the psychotic/dogmatic nature of the individual, BUT that's not always necessarily the case".
You have to be skeptical; not only of the delusional belief, but of your assessment of the delusion as well...in reality, there could be aspects of delusions that are true as well as untrue.
(wow, didn't realize I typed that much. oh well, cheers. :3)
i.... i..... i love you. omg. thank you for opening the eyes of many people who live in a state of Delusion.
then again there are those who refuse to admit that what you're saying is true. they know it. they just dont whant to admit it because they just realized they spent there whole life going to church for nothing.
The battle off beliefs will always exist weather it be Christianity or the Sugar Plum Fairies.
Actions are the only present scale of maturity.
Help out your community, learn helpful skills and work toward self sufficiency; or join the majority and fight about weather or not Santa Claus exists.
atheism is seen as a lack of belief and not and actual belief system like religions. to criticise a lack of something is seen as bt stupid but attacking a religion is seen as sectarism, its just ingrained after fuck knows how long of killing people because teir religion is diferent
i agree, it is acceptable for religious people to criticise atheism, and HOLD BACK SCIENCE, but not for an atheist to criticise religion, and why is that exactly? perhaps there is someone who believes in a god here who can help me out?
Just try to argue the opposite of anything you believe, and I think you'll find that atheism, theism, any -ism is possible or people wouldn't believe it, or in any case we have yet to refute any philosophy (which is beautiful, by the way). We can learn something from the religions though, it's a bit too much to deny the truth of all religions based on experience of a few or simply Christianity. Different worldviews contribute new pieces of the puzzle of life and offer meaningful perspectives.
I'm an agnostic and for the majority of my life was a catholic. And he makes great points, but i'm not biased because i dont believe that anything that hasn't been proven is false.
So to atheists dont force atheism, and to religious people let your religion be your own.
the reason atheists are constantly trying to prove their point is that in this western culture they are constantly bombarded with references to god and religion. everything revolves around a set of beliefs that they find to be, ignorant and misguided ( at the least) as well as offensive. they are defensive because there is an ongoing publicity/ propaganda campaign in the popular media to keep religion alive.
Gotta love how atheists attack religion and not hold anything back but when people start attacking atheism they claim its a breach of their civil rights lol
Yes what I don't understand is why atheist care so much about trying to prove religion wrong? This seems to be all I see on youtube and internet these days. Let people believe what they want. I am starting to see atheist evolve into its own religion. Can you have no religion and not be atheist?
Well you can be like me and just be a really lazy theist lol. I'm pretty much almost an atheists but I just don't go declaring to anyone that "HEY EVERYONE I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD" because even if I did cross that line 2 things would happen 1 no one would give a shit and 2 I'd realize I'm just the same person even when I did believe.
You have a point there. That is pretty much what i do to advoid idiotic confrontations. When i am around atheist, then i am atheist. When people around me are religious then i usually pretend and agree with them also lol. Its not that I have no belief of my own and comform to everyone elses views, just that i don't care enough about this topic to advocate my personal views openly to the public. So i am not atheist theist or part of any group. At the same time i am open to every group.
Yeah I mean 2 topics that I normally avoid if I can when I'm in public places is religion and politics because those are 2 topics where people never agree on and your just asking for trouble by talking about them. If you wanna talk about it then do so at your own risk because once you open that topic up your gonna offend someone in some way.
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Well thats religious propaganda if I have ever herd it. Atheist only get upset when you idiots try to shove your delusion down our throats. Thats pretty much the entire time so you must forgive our impatience with you. Also trying to push your bullshit into science classes is cause for considerable outrage.
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Well that just makes sense. Calling on the help of your imaginary friend??? Thats just insane. Its always best when presidents are not insane. We have all learnt that over the last 8 years. Although your probably a republican. Most retarded religious people are.
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I am saying that anyone who believes in God is deluded. Therefore they must lack some kind of faculty that allows them to percieve reality clearly. Either that or they have some kind of character flaw or insecurity that will predispose them to religious belief. Basically what I am trying to say is, anyone who believes in an omnipotent being is weak.
So your saying 90% of the worlds population is weak? Jee you atheists like to kiss your own ass don't you and you call what I say religious propaganda lol.
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They are either weak, insecure or unintelligent. All of them however are deluded. I don't like to kiss my own arse. I just get sick to my stomach of irrationality. Its interesting that atheists, on average, have higher IQs. It says a lot.
Sounds a lot like kissing your own ass, sounds also a lot like being an elitist too. You think yourself better than people because you believe something else.
Your basically just an intolerant atheist bigot.
Fact is your not smarter, more intelligent or any more mentally sane than everyone else. You just say think that to the point that even you believe it.
Fact is your just like everyone else but try and force yourself to believe your special when your not.
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I don't think I am special at all. I am one of millions of people who can see reality clearly. And I would hope there are many more atheists out there who haven't "come out" so to speak. The whole point of being an Atheist is to believe you are not special lol.
Is it? Its the same in the sense that you really have no proof why your choice is better. Your just using circular logic, by saying I'm right your wrong because I just am. You can neither prove nor disprove anything.
So like I said your just a bigot plain and simple.
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No I am not a bigot. I would have no problem with religion if it kept to itself and stopped trying to be in everyone's face all the time. I would have no problem if religion stopped trying to get its teachings into science classes. I would have no problem if religion was not the underlying cause of almost every act of aggression in this world! There is plenty of proof for why my beliefs are better. What I believe in has actual, tangible evidence supporting it. Religion has nothing.
You contradict yourself. Did you not just say "I am sorry but I cannot respect a belief that is completely irrational and supported by zero evidence."
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Yes. But what I don't know cant hurt me. However your all so intent on letting us all know about your beliefs and how much more valid they are despite having no evidence in support of your claims. It becomes hard to remain respectful of it after a while.
Well you do have the choice of just saying your not interested and just shutting up and moving on. But no you have to make an ass or yourself and mock people for their religions beliefs. See thats the difference between you and me. As I stated I don't give a shit what you are your nothing special you could go worship mushrooms for all I care if it makes you happy then go ahead do it I who am I to say your belief is wrong.
I'm not arrogant enough to believe my way is better than all else.
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Yeh but deep down you think your better than me because you have God. You think I am going to hell and your going to heaven because you are enlightened. Your tolerance is just a show. This world will not be safe until religion is outlawed. Until that happens I will not stop voicing my disgust for it. It poisons everything it touches.
Not really no deep down inside I just think your an asshole pure and simple. Enlightened ROFL I never thought to enlightened I just believe in a divine being I don't think I'm special. Well take it from me even if religion is outlawed I still wouldn't like your since your still an asshole and quite frankly thats the reason I don't like you now. Your just using religion as an excuse to be a asshole. Do you think if you insulted another atheists he wouldn't plant his fist in your face?
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You don't like me because you know that I am the only rational person in this argument. You don't have a logical leg to stand on and you know it! Your beliefs are absurd! Using religion as an excuse to be an asshole??? Thats rich coming from a religious person! That is what you people are famous for!! How many people have been murdered in the name of "God"????? You clearly have no grasp on reality!
Well your still an asshole and I have yet to murder anyone in the name of God. So are you saying I'm going to be murdering people anytime soon because I'm religious? Ah yes I can see your rational thought right there.
Well yeah your an asshole against people with religion, actually no I think your just an asshole pure and simple and just derive pleasure from targeting random people on the internet to spread your hate to.
Face it your a nobody, no one will ever take you and your views seriously.
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ha ha ha! What an ironic statement. Firstly you make sweeping generalizations regarding what I have said. Then you insult me with no real justification and go on to accuse me of doing the exact same thing. That makes you a hypocrite. Then you come up with the most amusing comment at the end. No one will take my views seriously? Maybe YOU wont. But the people who matter in this world will. The people who are dragging your ignorant behind forward in this world.
Generalizations? you really are that stupid aren't you? I'm not the one making generalizations here in case you haven't noticed your the ones that has been talking shit about all religious people this whole time I've just been insulting you. What your saying if a theist now insults an individual atheist its a generalization?
Well looking at how your an adult and still having to rant on the internet yes no one does take you seriously since you obviously lack the maturity to be taken seriously.
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I thought I would end this here because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You obviously don't have a firm grasp on the English language. I am not going to write in the style of a 5 year old just so you can understand. So lets leave it at....Your mum lacks the maturity to be taken seriously!!!!
yes you are dicksucker. Now why don't you move out of your moms basement and grow up a bit you little fuck nut oh wait you can't since your too much of a loser to quit sucking her tit. HAHAHAHA!
I don't know why I am wasting my time arguing with someone who is essentially brain dead. I guess its because you entertain me a little bit. Its interesting to read how you justify you irrational beliefs. Well actually you try not to address that because you know, deep down, that religion is retarded. instead you accuse me of being an ass hole in an attempt to divert the debate away from the obvious........your stupid. lol nothing you can say can hurt me because I know I am better than you.
Debate? There was no debate you were just ranting like a moron and I was the only person willing to listen and even respond to you. Have you not noticed were the only 2 people here talking?
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK! Just look at the amount of thumbs down you got from people that read our conversation.
Better than me? Yeah keep telling yourself that I know its the only thing you can do to make yourself feel important. The fact is no one cares what you think, you're insignificant.
Basically, hes an intelligent, rational human being that's trying to put an end to the delusional practice of religion. Just as I am. Believing in a ancient manuscript as if it were the absolute authority, because it says so, is ignorant.
Neither of you are rational, yeah prominent atheists are rational but most of you that will try to argue with me are just your average Joe's who somehow think because you're an atheist you're somehow smarter than others which often times you are not. Trust me we can have a debate about this whole thing and all that will happen like before is that I will break down your arguments and in the end you will default to the fact that you're an atheist and around and around we go.
Of course I will default that I am an atheist, to say otherwise would be questioning my own integrity as a human being. You didn't refute anything, you most likely attempted to insult my ego or bait me into responding negatively. There's more then enough proof available to disprove the authenticity of religious texts, other that they exist, and that they were written by people who knew less then we do today. Whats rational about believing in something with no actual evidence?
Here's where I do that part where I said I'd break down your argument. As I mentioned you will default to the fact that you are an Atheist which you already are doing trying to push the rational "I am an Atheist therefore I am smart" when in fact all you're doing is regurgitating talking points that other Atheists have already stated which. It isn't really rationale that drives the argument but rather a memorization of talking point in a type of action reaction sequence.
@LeeroyFan101 He is clearly not saying that because whether or not they like a different color, I'm sure everyone can agree that both of those colors exist. Nothing to do with being delusional.
@LeeroyFan101 Your argument is just not strong dude, to say he probably thinks this way, is probably because his video made you angry. And he probably never replied back because he knows what you stated is utterly idiotic.
@LeeroyFan101 What color one likes is a matter of taste, it is a personal opinion. Religion is much more than a personal opinion, it is a belief about the way reality works. If your best response to this video is to put words in the author's mouth, then you really don't have a response. And your Presidents comment is silly too. We have much stronger evidence nowadays that religion is nonsense than we did centuries ago, so believing in religion is much more insane today than it was in the past.
@LeeroyFan101 Have you proven that unicorns don't exist? Assuming you are religious, you have no evidence outside of your holy book for most of your claims. Many religious folks go as far as to claim that their religious book is the perfect word of God. Those of us who are skeptical have found plenty of instances where these religious writings are far from perfect. The gospels even contradict each other about the story of Jesus's crucifixion. Hence, your Bible is far from perfect.
Did I claim they didn't exist? the burden of finding evidence to the contrary lies on you. Using the scientific method that would mean in the sense of "god" that would require you explaining every single aspect of the universe in a scientific manner since god supposedly created the universe. So get started, but till then then you're claims are without evidence and is a "belief"
Now you have gone from being sure to being skeptical? what happened to believing in religion = insane?
No I'm just not making a matter of a fact statement that they don't exist when I don't know for sure. Only arrogant people make matter of fact statements especially when they don't even know for sure if what they are claiming is true or not.
@LeeroyFan101 So you don't believe in unicorns, why not? There's just about as much evidence for them as there is for Christianity or any other religion being true. I may be arrogant, but you're hypocritical. And you speak of arrogance like it's a bad thing. If Galileo wasn't arrogant, we'd all still believe the Earth was the center of the universe, like all the religious fools in the sixteenth century and before did :)
Because I just don't, thats the point of belief you choose to not believe in something even when you may or may not be wrong
Really I'm hypocritical? how? do you even know what that word means?
Galileo wasn't arrogant he was confident.
See he presented a theory and backed it up, you on the other hand are pretty much "Im right you're wrong, fuck all of you who disagree you're just crazy"
If you were Stephen Hawking you could do that but the thing is you're not, not by a long shot.
@LeeroyFan101 I'm not Stephen Hawking or any other great scientist, but that doesn't excuse the fact that these great scientists exist and have taken religious beliefs apart bit by bit over the centuries. The Bible claims itself to be the perfect, infallible Word of God. This means that even one thing in the Bible that can be shown to be incorrect proves that it's not the Word of God. And I think we all know that at this point, MANY things have been shown to be incorrect.
@LeeroyFan101 We've been talking about religion and Christianity in particular this entire time. The Bible is the book and main source of Christianity. It's the source of your erroneous beliefs. Without the Bible, you wouldn't believe in Christianity. You want proof that religion it wrong? There it is. The Bible is at odds with modern science in many respects, and it claims to be the perfect Word of God. Hence, it cannot be the Word of God, a perfect being. QED.
@911twoof It is the inspired word of God, and Christians accept that God uses the words to work in the hearts of people. Modern science presupposes that God doesn't exist due to their philosophy rather than empirical evidence. However if God does exist it isn't hard to believe that he could make fire and brimstone fall from heaven or divide the ocean, I.e manipulate matter and the laws which he instituted in the first place.
@Valanor1 The issue isn't whether religious happenings are possible, anything is possible. The issue is that people from the Bronze Age came up with Christianity, along with a whole host of other, similar religions. Science sources its claims with reproducible experiments. Religion sources its claims with questionable, ancient writings. And modern science does not presuppose God does not exist. Science only makes claims as to that which is falsifiable.
Yeah you did but I didn't respond to it since obviously it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. You just threw it in there to try and derail the conversation from the main topic so you could go into your ranting mode.
See I never claimed that the bible to be correct nor made any reference to Christianity, you did all of that. Like I said in my previous comment you basically had an argument with yourself.
@LeeroyFan101 You do know and understand that the founding fathers, were not all religious, right? Most of them were enlightened, and only because the Theory of Evolution wasn't thought of until another 50+ years is why they probably even put religion as a standard for government laws and regulations.
im not cussing at you christens, just your god. he is a coward and a lizr. he can't even keep his story sraight. fuck him. fuck his bullshit eotism. fuck his being abainst our science. fuck him wanting to not have a cur for aids or cancer. if there are dieties out there, the devil is our friend. fuck yahwee.
FriendofDaishonin 1 month ago
Heard it a million and one times, I just dont' care. I am an apatheist. I DO sin willfully and I dont' care. haven't been steruck dead yet. Fuck 'em. Drinking a phuking bear right now, see yahwe, what are you going to do with my drunk ass. Oh my fucking god, still am living. Kill me you fuycik. You condemn us civilized humkans and demand that we do your dirty work, but you don't have the balls to get your hands bloody you god damned coward...fuck you!
FriendofDaishonin 1 month ago
Aorry, really drunk right now, but you know what I mean. christians can't be honest about the fact that you don't give a shit about the rest of us, you believe that you do. How do I know this? I used to be a fundamentalist but now am an Atheist. You fein compassion but the reality is you are afraid of Jesus saying to you at teh white throne judgement "depart from me you worker of iniquety, I never knew you". simply because you didn't tell my poor atheist ass about John 3:!6.
FriendofDaishonin 1 month ago
You are NOT empathic. You care only about yourselves. You condemn nonbelievers because you are afraid of losing your salvation as per Hebrews 10:26. If you don't condemn Atheists for nonbelief then how can you escape the wrath of Yawhe? You are accepting of our Atheism is you don't rebuke us. Don't patronize us and pretend that you actually care, THAT is why you are delusional.
FriendofDaishonin 1 month ago
@NaturalMamaNZ not all Christians are as you described them. What you described is just the certain group of people you grew up around. If you would talk to Christians, then you might find that most of them are quite caring and VERY empathetic. Also, how are ALL of us mentally unstable just because we know Truth?
aroura75 4 months ago
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You are mentally unstable because you THINK you know the truth without any evidence.
inarko 2 months ago
The video is an attempt at a straw man argument. Not all say thatnthey would never change their mind if evidence to the contrary were presented. I have seen atheists who say they would still be atheists if God himself was manifested to them. Also, the celestial teapot is a horrible argument, because a teapot is something contingent and therefore of no comparison to a Necessary Being.
NewVinland 4 months ago
Hmm. Belief that p is a delusion only if p is false. So if you're trying to show that religious belief is a delusion, you need to show that it's false.
A "lack of proof" that p is not evidence that not-p.
And even if it were a fact that circum. evidence implies religions were human constructions, that wouldn't entail that the truth-claims of religion were false [not without a genetic fallacy that is]
sweenith 5 months ago
Being heretical is this initial sign that one is lucid of mind. Faith is the refusal to be lucid of mind. It is the desire of the faithful to feed their delusion and defend it from reason.
scotttebben 6 months ago
More blood has been split " In the name of god " then by any other force, this is simply somthing to keep in mind.
zinrath 6 months ago
@zinrath That is the truest thing...just look at the USA vs the Middle East, and the Middle East against itself...it's all about God or Allah...
Roxas131413 5 months ago
Ignorance is bliss. This is one of the absolute truths I've accepted in life. If you're ignorant about politics you will vote based upon the commercials. If you're ignorant about business you will have complete faith in products based upon the companies word. If you're ignorant about pollution you will feel good after watching the Exxon commercial promoting their tree planting program. It all starts when you begin questioning things... then it's a depressing downward spiral from there :)
TravisVadon 8 months ago
Great clip! Religion is a crutch for a lot of people who can't stand to face reality. But it's dangerous! I grew up in a christian community and they are among the most hateful, unempathetic, irrational and dysfunctional people I've ever met. They need to be in therapy, not a giant congregation that encourages and worsens their delusions and underlying issues. Unfortunately christians feel they can safety rebuff any claims they are mentally unstable because they have a team behind them.
NaturalMamaNZ 8 months ago
Religion is a delusion of the human imagination attempting to comprehend our existence and justify it.
gdsm93 9 months ago 2
Nice... KoRn music to go along with this topic. HOW EPIC!
818KLOWNER 11 months ago
fyi, being an Atheist is hard. You try living in a world where you realise your one of the 5% people who doesn't come with the delusional gene and hence has to go through life feeling like you better make the most out of every minute of every day because once it's over it's over. I can imagine for the other 95% a lot of them couldn't cope with that finality which takes care of your whole "even smart people believe in god tripe"
abetterplayer 1 year ago
@abetterplayer
it isnt hard lol, all you gotta say is I dont believe in god
UnicowClub 10 months ago
Love, religion, drug addiction it's all the same. Whatever gets you high is very hard to let go of...simple action/reaction logic at it's best.
abetterplayer 1 year ago
Throughout many periods of history there were mass delusions that were accepted then dumped after evidence came out against it. Example would the flat earth belief. In this case, as much as people would hate to hear it, is the use and manipulation of DNA. Once mastered by us, and we can do it morally and ethically, people will see that we can all play "god" and still survive without a magical version. This will replace "god" once people see that we are helping people and "god" isn't.
djkoch65 1 year ago 2
@djkoch65
We already are helping when god does not.
The bigger issue is that we are also doing our best to NOT help at the same time too ( Capitalism / corruption )
I dont think anything will change anytime soon.
FatRakoon 1 year ago
@djkoch65
Atheists are just as delusional as theists, pretending they are having some sort of meaningful impact on humanity. We could cure cancer, AIDS, etc. but people are still going to die and cease to exist. Does it really matter if their lives are dragged out 10, 20, 30, 40 more years? Nope. Atheists are just people who don't have the intellectual honesty to be nihilists. No one's delusions are better than anyone else's.
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Valanor1 1 year ago
Well i'm not deluded. I experience God's love and presence, my life is richer and more meaningful than any humanist who believes that the only meaning of our existence is to propagate the species, and then loose every notion of experience, relationship and love that you have had during your lifetime because you then cease to exist. Also the superficial sense of trying to suck the most pleasure out of every moment, when the reality is that most of the human race suffers in poverty and starvation.
Valanor1 1 year ago
why atheism is delusional, they think they got it right, until they find out they got it wrong, those that wake up, realize and those that don't waste their lives trying to prove to themselves they are right only to find they prove nothing to anyone much less themselves, kinda of like a bottomless pit, a black hole, nothingness. sad
Roshea1956 1 year ago
@Roshea1956
atheism is not about proving us right, but proving your delusion wrong! Religion is nothing more than cults using fear of some supernatural punishment to control people which has no evidence to support it. Why should i believe something which has no evidence to support it?
Spider58x 1 year ago
Nicely done.
ThePatronOfFire 1 year ago
YES! Thank you GreenDragon! It's time mass delusion stopped getting treated so well compared to other delusions. I hope one day to live in a world were no such mass delusions exist... That would be the day I could die happy. Knowing that mankind is no longer being held back and judged by religion. I would die for that day to happen for us all. It's sad that the majority of the believers of "God" have never read the Bible at all. Well except for the parts where Jesus isn't a mass murderer........
LegendaryZody 1 year ago 2
@LegendaryZody You know it...that is 1 big issue I have come across bible nuts. They talk the talk, but don't come close to walking the walk. Like...I wish they would make up thier minds. Let alone, buy thierselves a sense of humor.
davemelnick 1 year ago
I agree with your video and I am pissed off with sanctimonious twats who think they are superior due to their "God" delusion.
Bill Maher stated that religion is "arrogance masquerading as humility" and I entirely agree with the statement.
I find religious arrogance repuslvie and disgusting!
schmutzgreiffer 1 year ago
this video is completely accurate
HardcoreAtheist20 1 year ago
mass delusions are prtected from criticism,bease the mass delusions help the deluded masses cope with their fears such as death and gives them a feel good crutch to get them through the day and ultimately through life. The difference is in vested interest. religion serves those in control, while average joe suffering from schitzophrenia doesnt.
dstewart28 1 year ago
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PeterRabbitTV 1 year ago
Religion doesn't meet the criteria because it is subject to change based on reason.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
ok so, accordings to the three criteria of delusions, athiests are delusional as well, because they are certain there is no god, there are compelling counter-arguments that say a god does exist, and when looked at it from a certain view, well its just impossible, now ill watch the rest of the video, the first one was just too easy
SkinnyJeansStudios 1 year ago
Additionally, in order to make your argument, you resort to generalizations of relgious people to prove your point. "I have found God" is a statement idiosyncratic of Christians, yet you basically just said a Daoist, who either does not believe in or is unconcerned with a god, would say such a thing. This is a sign of unfair rhetoric symptomatic of deficient logic. Just because your an atheist doesn't make you smart, and it's hypocritical for you to evangilize. Oh, and Korn sucks.
bmharter 1 year ago
Your definition of religion sucks. Buddhism does not require, and many forms are absent of, any belief in supernatural forces. There have been traditional Rabbis that did not believe in the literal existence of supernatural forces such as angels and demons, and "supernatural force" doesn't exactly fit the Jewish concept of God, since you probably mean by "supernatural force" as something having a spiritual essence, which a jewish God does not have. There are forms of Hinduism that are atheist.
bmharter 1 year ago
more mental masturbation!!!
helpmetony 1 year ago
you bring up a good point when you say that if something sounds true enough to the right amount of people, it will spread without question. it is definitely part of human nature to try and explain things that they cannot.
Batton39 2 years ago
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. Susan B. Anthony
cosmos11 2 years ago
oh see they took it off but you will see it somewhere else then rest assure and in it's place it now a video game that will give your pc a virus a no win no win situ**
RENTAMOB1 2 years ago
hea getting off the point here look to your right there's an ad for booze the # 1 gatewat drug in the world ! not cool this lets kids know alc is ok alochol is a drug and the # 1 drug !
RENTAMOB1 2 years ago
Wow this is the perfect vid. to help me with my argumentative speech paper for english, thanks.
AlexIsonSanders 2 years ago 2
What a fucking dumbass!
Read the DSM4TR introduction under Mental disorders Definition.
Its made a clear exception:
Neither deviant behavior (Political, religious or sexual) nor conflicts between the individual and society are mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of dysfunction.
The religion is used as a psychological reinforcement.
Where did you study psychology?
Robells88 2 years ago
@Robells88 "unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of dysfunction." religion causes wars, hate, and dissent among nations therefore it is a symptom of dysfunction.
MrDougfunny7 1 year ago
the thing i dont like about this video is that it only refers to christians, in order to be a real athiest you must be against all religions (islam, judaism, buddhism, shinto ect. not just christians) most so called "Athiests" are just dumb kids looking for something to rebel against and since being against christians is so socialy acceptabel most do just that, its basicly just an attempt at feeling special.
SpartanChief776 2 years ago
I'm guessing he made it referring to christianity because its the religion he is most familiar with. Just like most atheists from the middle east talk about Islam and others their familiar with.
zbambam5 2 years ago
wow. I was expecting that to make me really mad but I actually agree with a lot of your arguments. I really wish I could actually discuss this in person but... computer stalkers and all that. I am a Christian but I completely agree with your point about mass beliefs or "Delusions" getting special treatment and the unwillingness of religious people to accept new information. Thank you for posting this. It's given me something to think about.
OKSteele 2 years ago
Good video.
Good music.
Kudos. =)
Obversity 2 years ago
i guess god just popped up out of nowhere? it's easier for me to believe matter came from nowhere and over billions of years everything became as it is today, then an omnipotent all seeing, all knowing spirity 'thing' did- or worse, that that thing has been around for eternally backward in time. i guess god WANTED evolution to make perfect sense and have a very strong scientific backing AND everything else that completely contradicts him? oh it's a test? a pretty fucked up one made for damnation
ManicPulse 2 years ago
" it's easier for me to believe matter came from nowhere "
First off, atheist-mean no harm...check out "hawkins boundless universe theory"
It deals with vacuum fluctuations. Space is boundless, zero-pressure enviornment-therefore, an open-system vacuum. Matter didn't "pop up", it was inertia; energy created by fluctuations of the vacuum effect. This energy was condensed by this same effect, and eventually "split"-exploding in the form of super hot gas which cooled to matter as we know it.
ltledrummergrl90 2 years ago
Ever hear the phrase "Faith is blind"? If there was no room for doubt, we would never wonder and question and it wouldn't be faith. Faith without doubt is actually rather boring.
OKSteele 2 years ago
Dear OKSteele, This quote by Dan Barker is not intended to be condescending as I can see you are truly questioning faith.
Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down. down. Amen! If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.
cosmos11 2 years ago
Ok I'm not sure when or where the word delusional originated, but let's say your right and that religion is delusional. Ok. and????
There is an purple car in a parking lot, you walk up to it an call it purple, and????????????
scopeys112 2 years ago
Lets tweak your example a little:
You hear/read/are told/ that there is a purple car in the parking lot.... Can you really say there is a purple car in the parking lot?... I think you can only say, "I have heard of a purple car in the parking lot"
orcodrilo 2 years ago
Yes I can say There really is a purple car in the parking lot, but I also acknowledge the fact that I cannot "prove" its existence to you by your definition of "evidence". My faith is personal, my faith doesn't rely on your approval, nor is it the interest of religion or the Bible to "prove" God's existence with what we accept today as empirical evidence. Thus, it is perfectly understandable that there are many atheists.
scopeys112 2 years ago
i dont understand your point? if something is a delusion then it means people believe it is real without evidence...if christians are accepting that they are delusional they are accepting that they believe in something that we have no reason to believe is real.
johnperry89 2 years ago
I could give you all kinds of example of what I call evidence. The problem is that you have determined, like me, what constitutes evidence, you want empirical evidence. You want God's DNA and a video of him walking into walmart.
scopeys112 2 years ago
something like that yes.
johnperry89 2 years ago
Your entire video is wrong from the start. You equate theism to religion. They aren't the same thing.
cruelfate45 2 years ago
religion...would be a certain department of theism.
Theism..is the collection of the religions.
Religion=car
theism=parking lot.
the video applies to all religions in general.
ltledrummergrl90 2 years ago
"Why does society protect mass delusions from criticism?"
Right on!
"Pointing out that someone is delusional is, in no way, calling them stupid"
I've got to find some way to explain that to my dad.
toleranceforsolitude 2 years ago 2
"I've got to find some way to explain that to my dad."
Don't.
Show him a reflection of the religious stupidity in a more obvious light, an example of interest with no taboo of being held "close to one's heart".
-tell him you've found a religion.
Flying Speghetti Monsterism.
ltledrummergrl90 2 years ago 2
Religion is control! And in a mass to maintain some order religion is needed. Imagine, if everyone new that there is nothing so basicly your hope of anything is unproductive because the absolute truth is nothing! It has been proven that through out the ages religion maintains some form of order! Give an individual the belief that there is more to come sustains the beast within! Consider yourself fortunate! you know there is nothing and in nothing lies your freedom.
americ911 2 years ago
The title is misleading. You didn't refute anything, you spent 4 minutes defining a delusion.
Even if something might be a delusion that does not mean it is wrong, so what's your point. I honestly want to know.
KennyCarwash 3 years ago
"Even if something might be a delusion that does not mean it is wrong, so what's your point. I honestly want to know."
delusion - is commonly defined as a fixed false belief and is used in everyday language to describe a belief that is either false, fanciful or derived from deception.
...in other words, your wrong. Delusions are, by definition, untrue. It's ironic that your definition of delusion is a delusion of its own, lol.
vg33k 2 years ago
Actually, being delusional does not always mean being wrong. Just as someone can be wrong without being delusional, someone can also be right while being delusional at the same time.
Besides, "delusion" is also associated with being just shy of mentally ill, which is why its just a word used to stir emotions and stifle rational discussion. Kind of like "Apartheid" when talking about the middle east. Or "pal around with terrorists" when discussing politics.
captainjim86 2 years ago
"..."delusion" is also associated with being just shy of mentally ill..."
I agree, that's part of the definition. The dictionary also states the part I mentioned prior: a fixed, false belief...one that is also psychotic in nature...so we are both right...but, of course, far be it from me to take away your right to refute the dictionary. :D
vg33k 2 years ago
I'm mostly referring to popular perception of the word, which often times matters more than the dictionary definition in public discourse. That is why it is little more than a buzz word.
captainjim86 2 years ago
Yea, I know what you mean...the english language can be very hypocritical.
vg33k 2 years ago
(cont...)
I suppose a better way to phrase it would be: "one COULD assume the delusional belief to be false based on the psychotic/dogmatic nature of the individual, BUT that's not always necessarily the case".
You have to be skeptical; not only of the delusional belief, but of your assessment of the delusion as well...in reality, there could be aspects of delusions that are true as well as untrue.
(wow, didn't realize I typed that much. oh well, cheers. :3)
vg33k 2 years ago
LMAO
coolbeens21 2 years ago
the point is you're delusional?
blackestjake 2 years ago
i.... i..... i love you. omg. thank you for opening the eyes of many people who live in a state of Delusion.
then again there are those who refuse to admit that what you're saying is true. they know it. they just dont whant to admit it because they just realized they spent there whole life going to church for nothing.
nick8087258 3 years ago
Good Job!
MohummedsM8 3 years ago
very nice
but everyone needs something to trigger delusions lol
Uramentra1 3 years ago
I could care less what people believe in.
The battle off beliefs will always exist weather it be Christianity or the Sugar Plum Fairies.
Actions are the only present scale of maturity.
Help out your community, learn helpful skills and work toward self sufficiency; or join the majority and fight about weather or not Santa Claus exists.
sophoshua 3 years ago
atheism is seen as a lack of belief and not and actual belief system like religions. to criticise a lack of something is seen as bt stupid but attacking a religion is seen as sectarism, its just ingrained after fuck knows how long of killing people because teir religion is diferent
ragordon168 3 years ago
good video.
i agree, it is acceptable for religious people to criticise atheism, and HOLD BACK SCIENCE, but not for an atheist to criticise religion, and why is that exactly? perhaps there is someone who believes in a god here who can help me out?
rulezdaworld0 3 years ago 2
Just try to argue the opposite of anything you believe, and I think you'll find that atheism, theism, any -ism is possible or people wouldn't believe it, or in any case we have yet to refute any philosophy (which is beautiful, by the way). We can learn something from the religions though, it's a bit too much to deny the truth of all religions based on experience of a few or simply Christianity. Different worldviews contribute new pieces of the puzzle of life and offer meaningful perspectives.
spitfireatme 3 years ago
I LOVE this song! What is it?
ghostofdayinperson 3 years ago
I'm an agnostic and for the majority of my life was a catholic. And he makes great points, but i'm not biased because i dont believe that anything that hasn't been proven is false.
So to atheists dont force atheism, and to religious people let your religion be your own.
Desudius 3 years ago
lol... drawing on Jaspers to refute theism?
Afropologist 3 years ago
the reason atheists are constantly trying to prove their point is that in this western culture they are constantly bombarded with references to god and religion. everything revolves around a set of beliefs that they find to be, ignorant and misguided ( at the least) as well as offensive. they are defensive because there is an ongoing publicity/ propaganda campaign in the popular media to keep religion alive.
drewtodd 3 years ago
Gotta love how atheists attack religion and not hold anything back but when people start attacking atheism they claim its a breach of their civil rights lol
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago
Yes what I don't understand is why atheist care so much about trying to prove religion wrong? This seems to be all I see on youtube and internet these days. Let people believe what they want. I am starting to see atheist evolve into its own religion. Can you have no religion and not be atheist?
asheng90 3 years ago
Well you can be like me and just be a really lazy theist lol. I'm pretty much almost an atheists but I just don't go declaring to anyone that "HEY EVERYONE I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD" because even if I did cross that line 2 things would happen 1 no one would give a shit and 2 I'd realize I'm just the same person even when I did believe.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago
You have a point there. That is pretty much what i do to advoid idiotic confrontations. When i am around atheist, then i am atheist. When people around me are religious then i usually pretend and agree with them also lol. Its not that I have no belief of my own and comform to everyone elses views, just that i don't care enough about this topic to advocate my personal views openly to the public. So i am not atheist theist or part of any group. At the same time i am open to every group.
asheng90 3 years ago
Yeah I mean 2 topics that I normally avoid if I can when I'm in public places is religion and politics because those are 2 topics where people never agree on and your just asking for trouble by talking about them. If you wanna talk about it then do so at your own risk because once you open that topic up your gonna offend someone in some way.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago
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Well thats religious propaganda if I have ever herd it. Atheist only get upset when you idiots try to shove your delusion down our throats. Thats pretty much the entire time so you must forgive our impatience with you. Also trying to push your bullshit into science classes is cause for considerable outrage.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Oh you mean how like your tying to sue congress into forbidding Obama so say "so help me God" during his inauguration?
One word HYPOCRITES!
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 6
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Well that just makes sense. Calling on the help of your imaginary friend??? Thats just insane. Its always best when presidents are not insane. We have all learnt that over the last 8 years. Although your probably a republican. Most retarded religious people are.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
So your saying all presidents since the time of George Washington were insane?
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 11
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I am saying that anyone who believes in God is deluded. Therefore they must lack some kind of faculty that allows them to percieve reality clearly. Either that or they have some kind of character flaw or insecurity that will predispose them to religious belief. Basically what I am trying to say is, anyone who believes in an omnipotent being is weak.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
So your saying 90% of the worlds population is weak? Jee you atheists like to kiss your own ass don't you and you call what I say religious propaganda lol.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 5
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They are either weak, insecure or unintelligent. All of them however are deluded. I don't like to kiss my own arse. I just get sick to my stomach of irrationality. Its interesting that atheists, on average, have higher IQs. It says a lot.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Sounds a lot like kissing your own ass, sounds also a lot like being an elitist too. You think yourself better than people because you believe something else.
Your basically just an intolerant atheist bigot.
Fact is your not smarter, more intelligent or any more mentally sane than everyone else. You just say think that to the point that even you believe it.
Fact is your just like everyone else but try and force yourself to believe your special when your not.
So your actually deluding yourself.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 5
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I don't think I am special at all. I am one of millions of people who can see reality clearly. And I would hope there are many more atheists out there who haven't "come out" so to speak. The whole point of being an Atheist is to believe you are not special lol.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Good then you should respect other peoples beliefs and not call it "delusional"
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 5
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I am sorry but I cannot respect a belief that is completely irrational and supported by zero evidence.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
So you must think people that like a different color than you do are irrational.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 11
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As long as the colour they prefer actually exists then I have no problem lol. That was a horrible analogy.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Is it? Its the same in the sense that you really have no proof why your choice is better. Your just using circular logic, by saying I'm right your wrong because I just am. You can neither prove nor disprove anything.
So like I said your just a bigot plain and simple.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 6
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No I am not a bigot. I would have no problem with religion if it kept to itself and stopped trying to be in everyone's face all the time. I would have no problem if religion stopped trying to get its teachings into science classes. I would have no problem if religion was not the underlying cause of almost every act of aggression in this world! There is plenty of proof for why my beliefs are better. What I believe in has actual, tangible evidence supporting it. Religion has nothing.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
You contradict yourself. Did you not just say "I am sorry but I cannot respect a belief that is completely irrational and supported by zero evidence."
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 6
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Yes. But what I don't know cant hurt me. However your all so intent on letting us all know about your beliefs and how much more valid they are despite having no evidence in support of your claims. It becomes hard to remain respectful of it after a while.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Well you do have the choice of just saying your not interested and just shutting up and moving on. But no you have to make an ass or yourself and mock people for their religions beliefs. See thats the difference between you and me. As I stated I don't give a shit what you are your nothing special you could go worship mushrooms for all I care if it makes you happy then go ahead do it I who am I to say your belief is wrong.
I'm not arrogant enough to believe my way is better than all else.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 6
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Yeh but deep down you think your better than me because you have God. You think I am going to hell and your going to heaven because you are enlightened. Your tolerance is just a show. This world will not be safe until religion is outlawed. Until that happens I will not stop voicing my disgust for it. It poisons everything it touches.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Not really no deep down inside I just think your an asshole pure and simple. Enlightened ROFL I never thought to enlightened I just believe in a divine being I don't think I'm special. Well take it from me even if religion is outlawed I still wouldn't like your since your still an asshole and quite frankly thats the reason I don't like you now. Your just using religion as an excuse to be a asshole. Do you think if you insulted another atheists he wouldn't plant his fist in your face?
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 5
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You don't like me because you know that I am the only rational person in this argument. You don't have a logical leg to stand on and you know it! Your beliefs are absurd! Using religion as an excuse to be an asshole??? Thats rich coming from a religious person! That is what you people are famous for!! How many people have been murdered in the name of "God"????? You clearly have no grasp on reality!
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Well your still an asshole and I have yet to murder anyone in the name of God. So are you saying I'm going to be murdering people anytime soon because I'm religious? Ah yes I can see your rational thought right there.
Well yeah your an asshole against people with religion, actually no I think your just an asshole pure and simple and just derive pleasure from targeting random people on the internet to spread your hate to.
Face it your a nobody, no one will ever take you and your views seriously.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 6
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ha ha ha! What an ironic statement. Firstly you make sweeping generalizations regarding what I have said. Then you insult me with no real justification and go on to accuse me of doing the exact same thing. That makes you a hypocrite. Then you come up with the most amusing comment at the end. No one will take my views seriously? Maybe YOU wont. But the people who matter in this world will. The people who are dragging your ignorant behind forward in this world.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Generalizations? you really are that stupid aren't you? I'm not the one making generalizations here in case you haven't noticed your the ones that has been talking shit about all religious people this whole time I've just been insulting you. What your saying if a theist now insults an individual atheist its a generalization?
Well looking at how your an adult and still having to rant on the internet yes no one does take you seriously since you obviously lack the maturity to be taken seriously.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 3
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I thought I would end this here because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You obviously don't have a firm grasp on the English language. I am not going to write in the style of a 5 year old just so you can understand. So lets leave it at....Your mum lacks the maturity to be taken seriously!!!!
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
HAHAHA you are such a loser
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 8
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I would rather be a loser than a deluded fool.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
your that too in case you haven't noticed. Your basically the atheist equivalent of a religious nut ROFL gotta love the irony.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 6
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Sure I am you yankee dick. LEEEEEEROOOOOOY JEEEEEENKIIIIINS!!!! cunt.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
yes you are dicksucker. Now why don't you move out of your moms basement and grow up a bit you little fuck nut oh wait you can't since your too much of a loser to quit sucking her tit. HAHAHAHA!
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago 4
I don't know why I am wasting my time arguing with someone who is essentially brain dead. I guess its because you entertain me a little bit. Its interesting to read how you justify you irrational beliefs. Well actually you try not to address that because you know, deep down, that religion is retarded. instead you accuse me of being an ass hole in an attempt to divert the debate away from the obvious........your stupid. lol nothing you can say can hurt me because I know I am better than you.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Debate? There was no debate you were just ranting like a moron and I was the only person willing to listen and even respond to you. Have you not noticed were the only 2 people here talking?
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK! Just look at the amount of thumbs down you got from people that read our conversation.
Better than me? Yeah keep telling yourself that I know its the only thing you can do to make yourself feel important. The fact is no one cares what you think, you're insignificant.
LeeroyFan101 3 years ago
The only brain dead person here is you moron!
Cyber12Fan 3 years ago 2
@LeeroyFan101 WHAT???!!! YOU'RE A RACIST HYPOCRITICAL ASSHOLE!!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
EPIC FAIL!
jameswolf2009 3 years ago 2
Shut the fuck up! Your not part of this.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Make me fagot! Cmon gimme your best shot Mr.Online Tough Guy!
jameswolf2009 3 years ago
are you retarded?
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Nope I just like to fuck around with pieces of shit like you that think they are hotshit on the net.
jameswolf2009 3 years ago
wow..that's fantastic. Your really getting to me. I promise.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 3 years ago
Why thank you. Here's a napkin go cry yourself to sleep.
jameswolf2009 3 years ago
@LeeroyFan101
Basically, hes an intelligent, rational human being that's trying to put an end to the delusional practice of religion. Just as I am. Believing in a ancient manuscript as if it were the absolute authority, because it says so, is ignorant.
TheLordValarath 1 year ago
@TheLordValarath
Neither of you are rational, yeah prominent atheists are rational but most of you that will try to argue with me are just your average Joe's who somehow think because you're an atheist you're somehow smarter than others which often times you are not. Trust me we can have a debate about this whole thing and all that will happen like before is that I will break down your arguments and in the end you will default to the fact that you're an atheist and around and around we go.
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101
Of course I will default that I am an atheist, to say otherwise would be questioning my own integrity as a human being. You didn't refute anything, you most likely attempted to insult my ego or bait me into responding negatively. There's more then enough proof available to disprove the authenticity of religious texts, other that they exist, and that they were written by people who knew less then we do today. Whats rational about believing in something with no actual evidence?
TheLordValarath 1 year ago
@TheLordValarath
Here's where I do that part where I said I'd break down your argument. As I mentioned you will default to the fact that you are an Atheist which you already are doing trying to push the rational "I am an Atheist therefore I am smart" when in fact all you're doing is regurgitating talking points that other Atheists have already stated which. It isn't really rationale that drives the argument but rather a memorization of talking point in a type of action reaction sequence.
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 There is no need for the breaking down of arguments, just come up with some evidence for the existence of your god.
Malsipots 9 months ago
@Malsipots
Honestly even if there was would you believe in him?
No you wont, so whats the point? Its like a Communist asking a Capitalist to explain why Capitalism is better.
LeeroyFan101 9 months ago
@LeeroyFan101 and YOU'RE SO MATURE!!!! RIGHT!!!!! ;)
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 YOU put PEOPLE DOWN because OF THEIR RACIAL FEATURES!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
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@LeeroyFan101 YOU put PEOPLE DOWN because OF THEIR RACIAL FEATURES!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 this is a terrible analogy.
MrDougfunny7 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 He is clearly not saying that because whether or not they like a different color, I'm sure everyone can agree that both of those colors exist. Nothing to do with being delusional.
Ryan62686 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 are you dumb
xNorthSniperx 1 year ago
@xNorthSniperx
Are you?
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 Your argument is just not strong dude, to say he probably thinks this way, is probably because his video made you angry. And he probably never replied back because he knows what you stated is utterly idiotic.
SSJ2UMRaijinGohan 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 What color one likes is a matter of taste, it is a personal opinion. Religion is much more than a personal opinion, it is a belief about the way reality works. If your best response to this video is to put words in the author's mouth, then you really don't have a response. And your Presidents comment is silly too. We have much stronger evidence nowadays that religion is nonsense than we did centuries ago, so believing in religion is much more insane today than it was in the past.
911twoof 1 year ago
@911twoof
But have you proven it?
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 Have you proven that unicorns don't exist? Assuming you are religious, you have no evidence outside of your holy book for most of your claims. Many religious folks go as far as to claim that their religious book is the perfect word of God. Those of us who are skeptical have found plenty of instances where these religious writings are far from perfect. The gospels even contradict each other about the story of Jesus's crucifixion. Hence, your Bible is far from perfect.
911twoof 1 year ago
@911twoof
Did I claim they didn't exist? the burden of finding evidence to the contrary lies on you. Using the scientific method that would mean in the sense of "god" that would require you explaining every single aspect of the universe in a scientific manner since god supposedly created the universe. So get started, but till then then you're claims are without evidence and is a "belief"
Now you have gone from being sure to being skeptical? what happened to believing in religion = insane?
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 So do you believe in unicorns then?
911twoof 1 year ago
@911twoof
No I'm just not making a matter of a fact statement that they don't exist when I don't know for sure. Only arrogant people make matter of fact statements especially when they don't even know for sure if what they are claiming is true or not.
Kinda like someone in this conversation.
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 So you don't believe in unicorns, why not? There's just about as much evidence for them as there is for Christianity or any other religion being true. I may be arrogant, but you're hypocritical. And you speak of arrogance like it's a bad thing. If Galileo wasn't arrogant, we'd all still believe the Earth was the center of the universe, like all the religious fools in the sixteenth century and before did :)
911twoof 1 year ago
@911twoof
Because I just don't, thats the point of belief you choose to not believe in something even when you may or may not be wrong
Really I'm hypocritical? how? do you even know what that word means?
Galileo wasn't arrogant he was confident.
See he presented a theory and backed it up, you on the other hand are pretty much "Im right you're wrong, fuck all of you who disagree you're just crazy"
If you were Stephen Hawking you could do that but the thing is you're not, not by a long shot.
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 I'm not Stephen Hawking or any other great scientist, but that doesn't excuse the fact that these great scientists exist and have taken religious beliefs apart bit by bit over the centuries. The Bible claims itself to be the perfect, infallible Word of God. This means that even one thing in the Bible that can be shown to be incorrect proves that it's not the Word of God. And I think we all know that at this point, MANY things have been shown to be incorrect.
911twoof 1 year ago
@911twoof
And how have we come to talk about the bible?
Last time I checked there was no mention of Christianity in this or any other conversation.
Getting desperate?
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 We've been talking about religion and Christianity in particular this entire time. The Bible is the book and main source of Christianity. It's the source of your erroneous beliefs. Without the Bible, you wouldn't believe in Christianity. You want proof that religion it wrong? There it is. The Bible is at odds with modern science in many respects, and it claims to be the perfect Word of God. Hence, it cannot be the Word of God, a perfect being. QED.
911twoof 1 year ago
@911twoof
No you've been talking about it, I've just been humoring you.
If you read the thread there was no one was claiming religion to be correct, irrefutable or wrong.
In fact the talked about topic was that if a person believed in a God does that make him crazy?
No one specific religion was mentioned, you're the one that mentioned Christianity the you then proceeded to refute it.
Basically you had an argument with yourself.
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@911twoof It is the inspired word of God, and Christians accept that God uses the words to work in the hearts of people. Modern science presupposes that God doesn't exist due to their philosophy rather than empirical evidence. However if God does exist it isn't hard to believe that he could make fire and brimstone fall from heaven or divide the ocean, I.e manipulate matter and the laws which he instituted in the first place.
Valanor1 1 year ago
@Valanor1 The issue isn't whether religious happenings are possible, anything is possible. The issue is that people from the Bronze Age came up with Christianity, along with a whole host of other, similar religions. Science sources its claims with reproducible experiments. Religion sources its claims with questionable, ancient writings. And modern science does not presuppose God does not exist. Science only makes claims as to that which is falsifiable.
911twoof 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 And you should work on your reading comprehension skills. I mentioned the Bible all the way back in my second comment to you.
911twoof 1 year ago
@911twoof
Yeah you did but I didn't respond to it since obviously it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. You just threw it in there to try and derail the conversation from the main topic so you could go into your ranting mode.
See I never claimed that the bible to be correct nor made any reference to Christianity, you did all of that. Like I said in my previous comment you basically had an argument with yourself.
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 Thomas Jefferson was not a christian.
MrDougfunny7 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 You do know and understand that the founding fathers, were not all religious, right? Most of them were enlightened, and only because the Theory of Evolution wasn't thought of until another 50+ years is why they probably even put religion as a standard for government laws and regulations.
SSJ2UMRaijinGohan 1 year ago
@SSJ2UMRaijinGohan
Where did I say "founding fathers"?
LeeroyFan101 1 year ago
@LeeroyFan101 look who's talking!!!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago