This isnt the full documentary. google 'The Other Side Of Suez 1956' and watch the full hour long version on google video. Thumbs up so everyone knows.
The Suez Crisis in a broader perspective is the US surrendering to USSR demands therefore forcing UK & France to withdraw by threatening devaluation of the pound & franc etc...
The odd thing is Eisenhower took time to realise this
then it was a big he face palm..
He said it was the worst foreign policy mistake he ever made.
@LordGeorgeRodney No, he didn't. He didn't want Uk to be power anymore. The biggest mistake was Suez war, because it covered up Hungarian uprising that happenned in parallel. If there were no stupid war in Suez, the West could have intervene for the sake of Hungarians.
@ImNeilPatrickHarris Nothing against america, but Wernher von Braun was a ex-nazi officer that lead the Saturn V rocket development that sent americans to the moon. America was good at spotting talent within the ex-nazi groups. He was also the designer of the V-2. America knew that either they get the smart nazis or the russians would get them.
The Suez canal was unlawfully siezed by Nasser. The Original contract for the canal started in 1869, and the canal was supposed to be british until 1969, then terms could be renogotiated. Egypt broke international law.
Garbage! The reason why Egypt won was because of the USA crushing the Pound and French Franc to punish them for stirring the pot and aggrivating the USSR. Without the US pressure and USSR aggrivation/persuasion Egypt would have been spanked.
ludocrat... what documentary did u watch? It does say the action stopped because the U.S. ordered stopped; more specifically, b/c Ike refused aid to the Brits if they didn't withdraw; I've also seen the fact recently cited by an Eisenhower historian on C-SPAN books. The US mistake was not funding Nasser's dam and rebuffing his outreach and driving him to the USSR. We painted many anti-colonialist leaders in the developing world as Commies during the Cold war and it has proved to haunt us.
More BBC bullshit. Whether it was justified or not, Suez stopped because the Americans ordered it to stop, threatening their own NATO allies with massive sanctions if it didn't. God bless America.
@ludocrat fair point - but it surely was a missed opportunity for both the UK and France who should have made their excuses and withdrawn from Nato immediately leaving the US to sabre rattle with the USSR on their own.
@ludocrat he did indeed keep distance: withdrawing from NATO in particular.Still the French were hardly doing anything too progressive - trying hard to stop Algerian independence.The British of course did what they were told and such a policy continues to this day of subservience to US foreign policy.
@revol148 Had we joined in with the UK and France it would have been worse, the USSR would threatening annihilation of NATO forces by sending in their own forces in. Now in the Libyan conflict, we joined in your war in Libya, now casualties rates are worse. we never know whether the Libyan conflict would end.
Now as far as i'm concern. we are allies for a reason like it or not. The Libyan conflict is your war so try and be grateful we supported you.
@publicmario17 The USSR threatened all they liked at the time - surely the point of NATO was to threaten them back!?The USSR was not particulary militarily powerful and they would have fared very badly against the British, French and Israelis.The fact that the USSR took the moral high ground while simultaneously crushing the uprising in Hungary is amusing for all the wrong reasons - they knew NATO was divided and came out of it well.I'm also glad we are allies - the UK & Europe owe the US a lot
@revol148 Everyone made a lot of tough decisions at that time but with the Cold War raging and the fear of nuclear war, i can see why the US did not want the USSR to intervene and wants UK/France to stop. North Korea even threatened South Korea and sunk a SK ship but we and SK didn't threatened NK back in retaliation because NK had nukes. Remember NATO is supposed to be a defender and USSR was the aggression. That's the reason why General Macarthur was fired because he wanted to nuke China.
@publicmario17 Is that right about Macarthur with China? - I didn't know that - what year was he sacked?Another gung-ho nuclear character was the republican Barry Goldwater who wanted first strike attack on the USSR back in the 1960's.There was also huge pressure when the US aquired nuclear weapons to attack the then undefended USSR straight after WW2.How the cold war ended without nuclear onslaught is a miracle.
this is a heavily edited version, about 20 minutes have been cut down. the original version is available on google videos video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5395762909502495541#
Seeing stuff like this makes me so incredibly proud to be human!! I cant wait until its our turn in Canada!!! I am ready, i hope its in my lifetime!! By the looks of things happening around the world, it wont be fucking long now!!!
Go Iran! Go Egypt!!!! Go Libya!!!!! Go Tunisia!!! Go Saudia Arabia, Yemen!!!!! GO GO GO!!! STOMP OUR IMPERIALISM INTO DUST!!!! IM SICK OF MY PEOPLE BEING SENT TO YOUR LANDS TO SLAUGHTER AND BE SLAUGHTERED, all for ECONOMIC CONTROL!!!!! IVE HAD ENOUGH OF IT!
@mattmatt115 I agree that soverign countries should have the right to control their own mineral resources without the intereference from western capitalists using comliant governments to grab them via the military HOWEVER to side with countries like Iran is slightly disturbing:particularly when the people of those countries are trying hard (without any success) to shake off the dictatorships.Demonstrating on the streets calling for political change should not end with them being tortured/raped!
@mattmatt115 what's going to happen in Canada then? Tell me is this the same Canada which is bombing the soverign government in Tripoli just because a minority of rebels in the east of the country have taken up arms.To be fair these rebels have got NATO,the UAE and Qatar on their side controlling the skies and bombing Gadaffis armour and yet still after 3 weeks of this "imperialist intervention" (as I'm sure you are calling it )they are making no progress.
@revol148 More like, imperislist aide to elements in the realm of Al Qaida
Our government openly admits "we do not know who the rebels really are" which is code for, "we are helping the terrorists because we are running out effective boogeymen to make you afraid of"
But they cant go ahead and tell us outright what they are doing, so they sidestep, and make it confusing as fuck, conflicting reports and evidence and then BOOM all goes away, until some terrorist decides to attack Toronto
@mattmatt115 It's a case of "better the devil you know" then?Things in Egypt point that way:various members of the muslim brotherhood saying we will use the democratic system to our own advantage - worrying - hence (sadly) the West should leave this problem to the muslim countries to sort after all if they truly care about possible butchery in Libya.Of course they wont - because they only get angry and excitable when Israel and/or the West does anything - muslim killing muslim is fine by them
Nasser was right in nationalizing the Suez Canal. It belongs to the Egyptian people and not to the western capitalists.
The western imperialists tried to destroy Egypt, but failed. Nasser was no democratic president, but he was the first who gave the Egyptians a feeling of patriotism. He was not like Mubarak, who was a friend of western imperialism.
For Egypt, Nasser was a hero. For the capitalists he was a ''communist''. I see him as a authoritarian president who did good and bad things.
@JuanMacready Nationalisation illegal? Hmmmmm Somehow i dont think the Egyptian people would agree with your greedy selfish rogue capitalist way of thinking.....
@JuanMacready Forced labour of Egyptians built the Canal, therefore it belongs to the Egyptians, wether britain and france sent guns and money to the "authorities" of Egypt to force this issue, or not! It was built by Egyptian labour, for everybody in the world. And that even includes the boogeyman Iran!
@JuanMacready LOL paid who? The SLAVE workers who built it? Or the RULER who rounded up the SLAVE LABOUR to build it? the Egyptian SLAVE WORKERS built it... Not Britain and Frances money... All that did was convince someone to FORCE SLAVES to build it.. Do you know what SLAVE means???
If Britain and France did not have Egyptian SLAVES to build it, did they throw Sterling at the sand and said, "Money, carve us humans a canal through the Suez"
@JuanMacready the biggest victors here (other than the political fortunes of Nasser) were the USSR - they loved the way the French,Israelis & British were humiliated by their Nato friend the US and of course they had a free hand to cruch the uprising in Hungary - which they did with usual brutality.Still Eisenhower didn't mind about what the Red army was doing - best pick on your Nato allies instead!
Shifoo! Why haven't you put the entire video up? This one is heavily edited (not in a bad way) and left out a lot of key information, like the tripartite pact.
Even today in the year 2010. Don't trust them. If they think they can get away it, they will do it. No doubt about it their lust for killing and colonialism is still there. Just go to a Italian police station and see the dead bodies of immigrants.
Even today in the year 2010. Don't trust them. If they think they can get away it, they will do it. No doubt about it their lust for killing and colonialism is still there. Just go to a Italian police station and see the dead bodies of immigrants.
Suez was a complete defeat for Egypt in military terms. How they can possibly portray it as some sort of valiant defence against the west shows just how low the BBC has gone.
The only reason Egypt won was because the US threatened to absolutely destroy the British economy.
Regardless of the means, THEY (Egypt) WON. Britain left humiliated from Egypt and the Suez Canal belonged totally to Egypt.
Britain sucked balls and got owned. Egypt lost lots of civilians because of Anglo-French-Israeli terrorism and lots of its planes, buildings and houses were destroyed by western terrorism, but at the end they got what they wanted:
The most valuable asset in the planet, the only water body that directly connects the East to the West, the Suez Canal.
@IslamGuideCom The same Britain that had totally defeated the Egyptian army in every single way left 'humiliated'? It was the US that forced Britain's hand in leaving, the pride of the British military remained untouched.
Not just the US. The entire planet was horrified by the barbaric actions of the Tripartite, Imperialist aggressors. The whole world lay sanctions on the tripartite nations. That's how Britain, France and Israel lost the war, on a political level.
@IslamGuideCom on top of Egypt losing the war (1956) they also lost most of the Sinai peninsula to the Israelis, they then went on to lose another war including their entire airforce(1967) which resulted in them losing control of all of it then tried to regain it in yet another war (which they lost and had to go crying to the United nations to end it) back in 1973 and only got it back by Sadat sucking Israeli semen in the Camp David peace accords (1979)!
Yeah and they gained the peninsula back in 1957. Yes, they lost in 1967, but in 1973 they smashed Israel in 2 days and Israel had to go running to America for help. Israel established a well-defenced position on their side of the Sinai peninsula with new American hardware and Sadat, the retard, contradicted the advice of his General, by attacking Israel on their side of the peninsula. If Sadat listed to General Shazly, the war wouldn't be lost for Egypt, although it would for Syria.
@IslamGuideCom the 1973 war is a bit of a mystery for a variety of reasons such as why the USSR didn't resupply their Arab clients in response to Israel losing all their airforce in the first 48 hours and having to beg the USA for weapons.Also why with the cover of a battery of anti-aircraft missiles did the Egyptian army grind to a halt a few miles east of the canal itself.It kinda makes you wonder whether the destruction of Israel was NOT the plan but to just take control of the canal itself.
@IslamGuideCom correct - Egypt gained the peninsula back ONLY after the USA put pressure on Israel/UK/France to pull back hence the US came to Egyptians rescue (although that's O.K with you!) quite unlike when the US helped Israel avoid oblivion with weapons back in 1973 (when that is not O.K - double standards perhaps!) Oh and what was the Arab world going to do with the Israelis HAD they won in 1948,67 & 73?
"Egypt gained the peninsula back ONLY after the USA put pressure on Israel/UK/France to pull back hence the US came to Egyptians rescue (although that's O.K with you!) quite unlike when the US helped Israel avoid oblivion with weapons back in 1973 (when that is not O.K - double standards perhaps!)"
The thing is that Israel was occupying Egyptian land and after countless attempts at peace deals, Egypt had no choice but to get it back by force. Israeli land was never occupied.
@truebeliever786 you are correct Sinai was never israeli in the first place until by conquest.I am not criticising Egypyt for attacking - in any case between '67 and '73 there were constant cross border skirmishes between the two sides so it was inevitable things would get worse.In the long-run Egypt got the best deal from the Camp David accords in particular the resorts on the Red Sea are a very important source of foreign income as well as reclaiming a few oil wells.
If America gets itself caught up in another war, not only will civilians die but US soldiers will die and taxpayers money will get wasted and drained. The economy will be drained and the people will suffer for it, while those at the top of the hierarchy will remain unaffected and perhaps benefit. I mean, honestly why can't they wage a war using the money of the upper class rather than that of the average Joe. Its unfair. They exploit their people for their own interests.
@truebeliever786 America is in debt to the tune of $14.6 trillion! (I've just got that figure from google!) Quite why they are NOT cutting back is a mystery to me.True - the people at the top levels of society care less what happens - after all most soldiers are recruited from the poorest elements of society who go on and fight the poorest sections of other societies.
You would? Well to me, the evidence is in the Holy Qur'an, like miracles. I mean it says strange and mysterious things about creatures, such as the fly, bee and mosquito. The stuff it says looks senseless and it sounds like it was random hocus pocus written by a mad man. But then when you examine modern science, the information mentioned completely matches harcore scientific discoveries. That to me is simply to extraordinary and convinces me that it is something beyond this world.
@smoochym USA threatened to freeze an IMF loan that the British had requested and that the USA had undersigned (USA had taken up half of Britain's war dept) I do believe it would have caused the British economy to collapse. I still believe Egypt should have been liquidated in 1956.
@bigpoopie69 nah, it was a fairly shrewd move by the states. The only thing possibly worse than Nasser, was a fully Communist Nasser. Besides, Britain and France couldn't keep pretending they were major powers forever.
@truebeliever786 Nasser,Sadat,Mubarak - no doubt being a "believer" in the cult of Allah you are probably more than approving of all those aforementioned dictators - after all as we kuffurs well know Islam (which is primarily a political system as well as a cult) is totally incompatible with democracy hence Egypt & Tunisia will drift for a few years until new dictatorships can be put in its place.To suppose the Middle east will be like Eastern Europe post 1991 is as funny as it is depressing.
Islam isn't a cult and it is 100% compatible with democracy. Islam says that a leader must be chosen by God and if that's not the case he must be chosen by the people (i.e. through democracy). No one today can claim to be divinely elected, thus democracy is the way today. What the hell is Kuffurs? Dumbass doesn't even know proper terminology.
Its called Kuffar. If you actually knew history, you'd know that Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak all used to torture and execute religious Muslims.
@truebeliever786 are you sure - why not even the cult of Allah? - after all the point is that you have to surrender yourself to an imagined higher being - hence I see no difference to the cults in 19th century India such as the cult of Kali.Kuffurs have a variety of spellings - I myself have being called both kuffur,kiffir and indeed kuffir! That's fine the fact I have no interest in the three monotheistic relgions is a badge of honour - Jews call me goyim - big deal!
I do support people-uprisings. There is no such thing as the cult of Allah. You may not believe in Islam, but that does not mean you start insulting other people's religions. I am IslamGuideCom. That's my other account. Egypt halted a few kilometres into the canal, because that would create an air defence umbrella, thus nullifying any Israeli attempt to win by air. It should've stayed that way.
@truebeliever786 I certainly do NOT insult anyones belief.In fact I am more than happy to believe in pretty much anything given evidence.I have no time for the three monotheistic faiths but certainly do not consider you or anyone else a lesser person because you do.(live and let live etc).I thought the whole point of the 73 war was to take as much of Israel as possible - with Syria and eventually Jordan taking their slices.
@truebeliever786 I never said Nasser,Sadat and Murbarak DIDN'T kill muslims(!)(?)Dictatorship (may) be the best form of governance in the M.E & North Africa: look at Libya - if most people hated Gaddafi he would have been overthrown by now - as it is a few rebels get publicity & think that bombing from 32,000 feet will win them this war!Anyway let's just see what happens in Tunisia & Egypt in the next 12 months before we start thinking about "people revolutions" in Bahrain,Syria and Yemen!
@revol148 Ref:Lebanon:I spoke to a Lybian (now living in Italy) on one of the early videos of the uprising who pretty much predicted the course of events over the past three weeks.The fact that the (tribal?) loyalty particularly in the west of the country will make any rebellion from the east (where Gaddafi has limited support anyway) virtually pointless.It is curious to see the West (in particular the US) being both terrified of Arab opinion whilst having little interest in getting too involved
If you have no time for 3 monotheistic faiths that is alright, but you must accept the fact that other people like me, do believe in a God, just as I must accept that you do not. Yeah, the thing is Sadat wanted Sinai back in return for a peace-treaty with Israel, but Israel wouldn't agree so the plan was to terrify Israel with a war and force them into peace. With Libya, I understand that Gaddafi is a dictator, but there are other ways to stop him than through military action I think.
@truebeliever786 I would KILL to have a belief (I'm deadly serious!) I have nothing but envy in people such as yourself who believe in some higher/greater power that has created everything around us.HOWEVER I need evidence and as the three monothiestic religions offer NOTHING in that department so I will simply point out the downsides of these three religions (who actually have more in common than they let on particularly Judaism and Islam haowever ironic that may seem).
@revol148 I know what u mean, I am a sunni Muslim from Egypt and at some point of my life i was a communist and an athiest. well the main question that made me an athiest was that If everything has to be created then how is god created, so if god was founded randomly then man would have been founded randomly. But then the same question helped me to have faith in Allah after asking it in the opposite way, that If Man can be founded randomly then god would have been founded randomly.
@thejackalmilano*serious point*I would gladly convert to Islam IF there is more evidence.Whilst I am happy to believe the very existence of prophets such as Muhammed and Jesus - my worry is that signs from God(s) have been a bit lacking in the past 2,000 years.Whilst much of the natural world is indeed incredible - YET that doesn't (necessarily) mean that someone sat down and created it all.Perhaps the answer is right in front of us but we humans are just to simple to understand what we see.
Well, I see Islam as the truth because of the Light and Guidance it brought to a society filled with darkness and oppression.
Islam taught these people to treat women kindly, to love them, to have mercy on them, to free the slaves, to feed the poor, the slaves and the orphans, to protect orphans and widows and to give wealth from inheritance the poor, the orphans and the needy - 4:19, 30:21, 4:94, 76:8, 4:8 etc...
I believe that such teachings must be from God. That's what I believe
@revol148 I agree with u that the evidences are not 100% clear, but we are narrow minded compared to the divine force that created this universe with so perfection. I mean god had to leave some doubt to differentiate between people with faith and those who don't, faith means that u believe i something that is not 100% evident or sure about it but rather there are some clues that would lead u to it, i know u feel lost but try to read the bible or Quran and read about all religions and compare.
@thejackalmilano that is a fair point and I believe Christians actually say something very similar - along the lines of "if you need to have evidence of a god then this in itself shows a distinct lack of faith etc etc".All very convenient of course but hey I'm open to suggestions "athiest" so I would think that! As for reading up of all three monothiestic religions: if only I had the time - besides Islam in itself is a HUGE faith and mulit-faceted (something I was only aware of until recently)
@revol148 Just think, i would never advice you to not think because i believe we have brains for a reason. My brain told me at first that God is absolutely there and then i had doubt and my brain told me god doesn't exist and later it told me that there is 50% chances that god exists because the evidences that suggest that god does not exist has no proof also, at that point i suggested to read the quran carefully and then my brain told me that this book is not man made, it's a divine book!
@revol148 though i am a muslim but i really advice u to read about Christianity, Judaism and other religions and compare it to Islam. ALso Islam has some branches such ass Sunni, Shia, Suifism which is a branch in between and Wahabism wich is the extreme Sunni. I am a moderate Sunni but not a sufi because i think we should only ask the lone god and nothing but it but Sufi people ( i think they are true muslims but a little mislead) ask tombs and dead people which is something i reject.
If u know arabic and read the Quran u would know it is definately a book not made by a man, it is something much more advances, something that only a god can produce.
@truebeliever786 if the muslim world wants to take sides in the (civil?) war in Libya they are really going to have sort it amongst themselves.Getting (bankrupt) countries like US,UK,Italy & France to fight in this war is simply pointless.Like I say if there was real hatred of Gaddafi then he would have collapsed weeks ago:as it is there seems to be a stalemate and inevitably the Allied countries are stuck in a difficult position.I await with interest to see what happens with Tunisia and Egypt.
I also believe in Islam because of its beautiful teachings, like charity, helping the poor, sheltering orphans, being kind to women, freeing slaves and all that. I don't know. That's just the way I see it and I find it very spiritually fulfilling. If someone else doesn't that is fine with me. I won't kill them for it and I DO NOT believe that they will burn in hell for it.
@truebeliever786 you are evidently part of the reasonable brigade of Islam (Suffism yeah?) however the Whabbist element is a lot more hardline - in any case it tends to be the hardline elements who give the three monotheistic religions a bad name.
I'm not exactly Sufi (I am a Shi'a), but I do affiliate with numerous elements of Sufiism, for instance, the idea that one is forbidden to hurt any living being, even animals and even plants. And I love the spirituality in Sufiism. Muhammad Ali, the boxer, is a Sufi. Yes, I hate Wahabiism. They are the ones that put forward the crazy idea of world domination, oppression and subjugation. They hate both the Shi'a and the Sufi and call us infidels. If you are interested, then by all means tell me.
@truebeliever786 but the thing i don't like about Suffism and Even Shia is that u guys sometimes ask Ali or fatima something rather than asking it from Allah. Allah is so close and u should ask him directly rather than going to Ali's tomb and ask it! I am a Sunni btw and i respect Suifism and Shiasm
No, I always ask Allah (SWT) directly. Seeking intercession from the Prophet (and his family) is okay to get closer to Allah (SWT) (Surah an-Nisa 4:64), but literally asking them from help isn't. And thanks for the respect. I respect the Ahlus-Sunnah very much as well. All Muslims are brothers and sisters, Subhanallah.
@truebeliever786 but in (Surah an-Nisa 4:64) it only said prophet mohammed and used the singular adjective to refer to him only, besides i think it is a message only to the muslims at the time of the prophet as he can ask god for forgiving them only when he was alive but now going to his tomb and dead body to ask him to ask god for forgivness is pointless as he is not alive to do that!
I understand what you are saying brother, but the Qur'an says:
"Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision." (Surah Ale-Imran 3:169).
Now if martyrs are considered alive, the Prophet would of course be considered alive and we believe that he asks Allah to pray for the believers. The companions during the time of Hadhrat Umar (RA) would ask ibn Abbas (RA) to pray for them, as a form of intercession.
@truebeliever786 I have come across many Egyptians here who say that peace with Israel was a complete humiliation and that Sadat had no right to offer a peace treaty to a country that most of the population disprove the very existence of.Personally I think Sadat knew that a peace treaty was the best move - rather than a low intensity war with a far more militarily superior neighbour.
@khalednassr2945 I am happy to list the 25 conflicts around the globe which involve muslim countries if you want or indeed I could mention the fact that 87% of all terrorist movements are Islamic.
I agree totally with beastatlay. One other thing that this documentary is not making clear is that Winston Churchill was the last of the British Empire Prime Ministers. ANTHONY EDEN WAS VERY CONSCIOUS OF HIS PLACE IN HISTORY. HE DID NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN IN HISTORY AS THE PRIME MINISTER WHO LOST THE BRITISH EMPIRE BEGINNING WITH EGYPT !
But the reality was that the days of having Empires by subjecting other peoples, was now over !
It's somehow like the Algerian war. it is always presented as a French defeat whereas it was one of the only counter insurgency war that succeeded and that was even studied by the American army before the Irak war
@urbanhkpunx Erm... You do realise that the "CI FUCKING A" never was informed about the British actions and that the American government did not appreciate at all Eden's intervention?
Omega: The west wanted Nasser destroyed from day 1. No weapons from US,UK, and b/c he got weapons from USSR they have to punish him? ...they want him to be a puppet and he refused. They wanted to keep the suez; refuse the Aswan dam; He couldnt trust anyone. If you are a true egyptian you will realize he was the 1st Egyptian to rule Egypt for the Egyptians since Pharoah. Its OK....blame Nasser if you feel better. But if you want the truth-read books by Nehru;Mandela&listen to this documentary.
Much of what you say is right but not all. the west was not against the aswan Dam. the west wanted to loan money to Nasser on several conditions. The conditions that were set were to make nasser take side in the cold war against the USSR but he wanted to stay neutral. I agree with you on all the other points you are making..
Nasser like all leaders is not without flaws. He was the symbol of Arabian Liberation from colonialism. He refused being a puppet to either western or eastern Imperialism. He had to be punished. When he wasn't overthrown after 67; other plots were studied. But they needed a traitor. He smoked KENT cigarettes. Cia couldn't find someone to deliver a poisoned carton. THe other,and possibly successful, operation was assassination via camera.Emiting a beam and gradual death from the lens.
The Suez Crisis confirmed Britain's decline on the world stage, and demonstrated that henceforth it could no longer act without at least the acquiescence, if not the full support, of the United States. The events at Suez wounded British national pride, leading one MP to describe it as "Britain's Waterloo" and another to suggest that the country had become an "American satellite". Neverheless, the Suez Crisis was humiliating for Britain in a world ruled by the USSR and the USA.
The parallels between Suez and the US invasion of Panama in the 80s are striking. The US invaded to secure a canal (like Britain) that they had built many years before (like Britain) in a country they had lost influence in (yep). Panama was as easy a pushover militarily as Egypt was to the UK and France. Difference was, the US threatened economic sabotage of a bankrupt UK to gain leverage.
A classic example of American exceptionalism. One rule for the outside world, another for them.
Yes, you're right, I didn't make that clear. Still, it was administrated by the British for almost its entire history up to that point.
The intro to this documentary disingenuously excludes the fact that Operation Musketeer was a stunning *military* victory - the Egyptians were routed by the French and British in perhaps the most successful airborne/amphibious invasion in history. Instead, the voiceover crassly sets Nasser up as a sort of swarthy William Wallace or Sitting Bull.
@beastatlay lol dumbass britain didnt build the suez canal france did. Britain did it for the $ and lied to its own ppl now we now the truth because of he declassfied files tht britain and france reveald.
@Sigolet ref: the US & British Commonwealth -although ALL empires have a shelf-life to them (No exceptions) - hence the US would have in any case declared their independence at some stage.As for the last sentence -can you tell me how much the US (currently) owes China? - go on be honest (to the nearest trillion).An economic model where China lends money to the US in order for them to buy ever more Chinese products - is that sustainable or are you heading for 3rd world status like most of the EU?
I'd be more interested in finding how much of that Chinese debt the U.S. spends defending Britain and Europe. The last I heard, the U.S. spends more on the defense of Europe than the Europeans do. So, if the U.S. stops enabling European parasitism, we may avoid "heading for 3rd world status like most of the EU."
However, that is beside the point. The issue was one of promoting international double standards, The U.S. record is far, far better in that than England, no question.
@Sigolet that's a fair point - all the European countries are way too reliant on the US.Still I completely understand if Nato splits up in the coming decade due to lack of money/interest/ humiliation about the current campaign in Libya.As far as the record of the US is concerned it's NOT as bad as the British however your past record on backing brutal dictatorships in Central and South America, Africa and the Middle east certainly compromises your desire of being a force of good in the world.
beautiful Egypt stood by itself against the world and paid with its sons blood, But Forever will your souls be remembered as brave souls who fought for its rights The ppl of Portsaid have my highest Respect and May every single soldier,civilian,child who died for Egypt rest in peace for all eternity
Nasser was a corrupt little dictator that ended up assonated by his own people. He didn't care about the Egyptian people he was in it for himself and made Egypt bankrupt. One of the reasons why Egypt is still a poor country is because it's leaders do not have the best interests of their people at heart.
Correction sent the first one too quickly. Nasser was a corrupt little dictator that ended up Assassinated by his own people. He didn't care about the Egyptian people he was in it for himself and made Egypt bankrupt. One of the reasons why Egypt is still a poor is because its leaders do not have its people's best interests at heart
the middle east would be much stronger if all stood together. but between the sunni and shia. and the arabs and of course the western divide and counqer gimmick. it has remained vulnerable.
"Every month there was an attempt on his life" the bastards!! God bless his soul in heaven our father of freedom will live in our hearts and minds forever he will never die.
Every good and real Arabian has to know the middle east history so we may free our countries from oppression !Egypt, Iran and Arabia Need to stand together to improve the middle east!This infighting is cause of zionist and outside influences that eye the middle east and want to Enslave its people!Zionism is a lie and evil!I have always liked Nasser !(may god bless him) thanks for this clip!I not upset that Eygpt(A.Sadat) signed a peace with Apartheid israel!Eygptains are still our brothers!
shifoooo thanks for the heads up on the real thing, What a difference!
ddd1953 3 days ago
This is a "spicy" video. =p
ughkane614h 1 week ago
Echo's of the reasons for the allies going into Iraq the second time.
poodtang1 2 weeks ago
This isnt the full documentary. google 'The Other Side Of Suez 1956' and watch the full hour long version on google video. Thumbs up so everyone knows.
TheFROSTER420 2 months ago 7
Thank you for posting this. Really thank you!!
diaamd 2 months ago
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Rushour717 2 months ago
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Rushour717 2 months ago
Oh okay.
hopedream11 3 months ago
The Suez Crisis in a broader perspective is the US surrendering to USSR demands therefore forcing UK & France to withdraw by threatening devaluation of the pound & franc etc...
The odd thing is Eisenhower took time to realise this
then it was a big he face palm..
He said it was the worst foreign policy mistake he ever made.
LordGeorgeRodney 3 months ago
@LordGeorgeRodney No, he didn't. He didn't want Uk to be power anymore. The biggest mistake was Suez war, because it covered up Hungarian uprising that happenned in parallel. If there were no stupid war in Suez, the West could have intervene for the sake of Hungarians.
nhcox2 1 hour ago
4 countries without them the world would be a better place :
1-USA
2-Israel
3-UK
4-France
ahmedelmoon 4 months ago
@ahmedelmoon Israel maybe but Uk, France, USA no way.
hopedream11 3 months ago
@hopedream11 Talking about polices,I got nothing against the people.
ahmedelmoon 3 months ago
what a one=sided documentary. no input from israeli or french sources? just some nasser crony whose rambles are accepted without challenge?
does this narrator fail to neglect egypt was a sanctuary for nazis under nasser? and nasser expelled 60,000 jews?
hardly a victim in this war.
ImNeilPatrickHarris 4 months ago
@ImNeilPatrickHarris Nothing against america, but Wernher von Braun was a ex-nazi officer that lead the Saturn V rocket development that sent americans to the moon. America was good at spotting talent within the ex-nazi groups. He was also the designer of the V-2. America knew that either they get the smart nazis or the russians would get them.
108Dax 3 months ago
@108Dax
nothing to do with my comment. thanks
ImNeilPatrickHarris 3 months ago
I wish that the British would have won.
The Suez canal was unlawfully siezed by Nasser. The Original contract for the canal started in 1869, and the canal was supposed to be british until 1969, then terms could be renogotiated. Egypt broke international law.
ChannelGameshow 5 months ago
Garbage! The reason why Egypt won was because of the USA crushing the Pound and French Franc to punish them for stirring the pot and aggrivating the USSR. Without the US pressure and USSR aggrivation/persuasion Egypt would have been spanked.
good2goskee 5 months ago
ludocrat... what documentary did u watch? It does say the action stopped because the U.S. ordered stopped; more specifically, b/c Ike refused aid to the Brits if they didn't withdraw; I've also seen the fact recently cited by an Eisenhower historian on C-SPAN books. The US mistake was not funding Nasser's dam and rebuffing his outreach and driving him to the USSR. We painted many anti-colonialist leaders in the developing world as Commies during the Cold war and it has proved to haunt us.
bradygate 6 months ago
@bradygate
The BBC version seems to have taken root. Mind you, most of it is US anti-British propaganda so what a surprise you swallow it.
ludocrat 6 months ago
More BBC bullshit. Whether it was justified or not, Suez stopped because the Americans ordered it to stop, threatening their own NATO allies with massive sanctions if it didn't. God bless America.
ludocrat 6 months ago
@ludocrat fair point - but it surely was a missed opportunity for both the UK and France who should have made their excuses and withdrawn from Nato immediately leaving the US to sabre rattle with the USSR on their own.
revol148 6 months ago
@revol148
I think de Gaulle did, didn't he? Good for him!
ludocrat 6 months ago
@ludocrat he did indeed keep distance: withdrawing from NATO in particular.Still the French were hardly doing anything too progressive - trying hard to stop Algerian independence.The British of course did what they were told and such a policy continues to this day of subservience to US foreign policy.
revol148 6 months ago
@revol148 Had we joined in with the UK and France it would have been worse, the USSR would threatening annihilation of NATO forces by sending in their own forces in. Now in the Libyan conflict, we joined in your war in Libya, now casualties rates are worse. we never know whether the Libyan conflict would end.
Now as far as i'm concern. we are allies for a reason like it or not. The Libyan conflict is your war so try and be grateful we supported you.
publicmario17 4 months ago
@publicmario17 The USSR threatened all they liked at the time - surely the point of NATO was to threaten them back!?The USSR was not particulary militarily powerful and they would have fared very badly against the British, French and Israelis.The fact that the USSR took the moral high ground while simultaneously crushing the uprising in Hungary is amusing for all the wrong reasons - they knew NATO was divided and came out of it well.I'm also glad we are allies - the UK & Europe owe the US a lot
revol148 4 months ago
@revol148 Everyone made a lot of tough decisions at that time but with the Cold War raging and the fear of nuclear war, i can see why the US did not want the USSR to intervene and wants UK/France to stop. North Korea even threatened South Korea and sunk a SK ship but we and SK didn't threatened NK back in retaliation because NK had nukes. Remember NATO is supposed to be a defender and USSR was the aggression. That's the reason why General Macarthur was fired because he wanted to nuke China.
publicmario17 4 months ago
@publicmario17 Is that right about Macarthur with China? - I didn't know that - what year was he sacked?Another gung-ho nuclear character was the republican Barry Goldwater who wanted first strike attack on the USSR back in the 1960's.There was also huge pressure when the US aquired nuclear weapons to attack the then undefended USSR straight after WW2.How the cold war ended without nuclear onslaught is a miracle.
revol148 4 months ago
Shifoooo, very interesting documentary. thanks for posting it.
magedogtag 6 months ago
won??? they got their asses handed to them by israel haah
israel beated the shit out of them
tttBig 7 months ago
0:52 They sexed up their intelligence? LOL
Linkage1992 8 months ago
@RichardElden Now one of our Generals is in charge of NATO operations there.
dave19941000 10 months ago
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this is a heavily edited version, about 20 minutes have been cut down. the original version is available on google videos video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5395762909502495541#
mennyus 10 months ago
Seeing stuff like this makes me so incredibly proud to be human!! I cant wait until its our turn in Canada!!! I am ready, i hope its in my lifetime!! By the looks of things happening around the world, it wont be fucking long now!!!
Go Iran! Go Egypt!!!! Go Libya!!!!! Go Tunisia!!! Go Saudia Arabia, Yemen!!!!! GO GO GO!!! STOMP OUR IMPERIALISM INTO DUST!!!! IM SICK OF MY PEOPLE BEING SENT TO YOUR LANDS TO SLAUGHTER AND BE SLAUGHTERED, all for ECONOMIC CONTROL!!!!! IVE HAD ENOUGH OF IT!
mattmatt115 10 months ago
@mattmatt115 I agree that soverign countries should have the right to control their own mineral resources without the intereference from western capitalists using comliant governments to grab them via the military HOWEVER to side with countries like Iran is slightly disturbing:particularly when the people of those countries are trying hard (without any success) to shake off the dictatorships.Demonstrating on the streets calling for political change should not end with them being tortured/raped!
revol148 9 months ago
@mattmatt115 what's going to happen in Canada then? Tell me is this the same Canada which is bombing the soverign government in Tripoli just because a minority of rebels in the east of the country have taken up arms.To be fair these rebels have got NATO,the UAE and Qatar on their side controlling the skies and bombing Gadaffis armour and yet still after 3 weeks of this "imperialist intervention" (as I'm sure you are calling it )they are making no progress.
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148 More like, imperislist aide to elements in the realm of Al Qaida
Our government openly admits "we do not know who the rebels really are" which is code for, "we are helping the terrorists because we are running out effective boogeymen to make you afraid of"
But they cant go ahead and tell us outright what they are doing, so they sidestep, and make it confusing as fuck, conflicting reports and evidence and then BOOM all goes away, until some terrorist decides to attack Toronto
mattmatt115 9 months ago
@mattmatt115 It's a case of "better the devil you know" then?Things in Egypt point that way:various members of the muslim brotherhood saying we will use the democratic system to our own advantage - worrying - hence (sadly) the West should leave this problem to the muslim countries to sort after all if they truly care about possible butchery in Libya.Of course they wont - because they only get angry and excitable when Israel and/or the West does anything - muslim killing muslim is fine by them
revol148 9 months ago
Nasser was right in nationalizing the Suez Canal. It belongs to the Egyptian people and not to the western capitalists.
The western imperialists tried to destroy Egypt, but failed. Nasser was no democratic president, but he was the first who gave the Egyptians a feeling of patriotism. He was not like Mubarak, who was a friend of western imperialism.
For Egypt, Nasser was a hero. For the capitalists he was a ''communist''. I see him as a authoritarian president who did good and bad things.
UDSS 11 months ago
@UDSS Nasser was a dictator and his nationalisation of the Canal was illegal. Eisenhower greatly regretted saving him in 1956.
JuanMacready 11 months ago
@JuanMacready Nationalisation illegal? Hmmmmm Somehow i dont think the Egyptian people would agree with your greedy selfish rogue capitalist way of thinking.....
mattmatt115 10 months ago
@mattmatt115 Britain and France paid for the Suez Canal, it belonged to them. Nasser was an evil dictator just like Gaddafi.
Stephen Harper rules!
JuanMacready 10 months ago
@JuanMacready Forced labour of Egyptians built the Canal, therefore it belongs to the Egyptians, wether britain and france sent guns and money to the "authorities" of Egypt to force this issue, or not! It was built by Egyptian labour, for everybody in the world. And that even includes the boogeyman Iran!
mattmatt115 10 months ago
@mattmatt115 It belonged to Britain and France because they paid for the canal. Bombing Iran may well become a necessity this year.
Pity Eden didn't have the evil fascist dictator Nasser shot dead in 1956.
JuanMacready 10 months ago
@JuanMacready LOL paid who? The SLAVE workers who built it? Or the RULER who rounded up the SLAVE LABOUR to build it? the Egyptian SLAVE WORKERS built it... Not Britain and Frances money... All that did was convince someone to FORCE SLAVES to build it.. Do you know what SLAVE means???
If Britain and France did not have Egyptian SLAVES to build it, did they throw Sterling at the sand and said, "Money, carve us humans a canal through the Suez"
No i dont think so.......
mattmatt115 10 months ago
@mattmatt115 Britain abolished the slave trade long before the United States.
JuanMacready 10 months ago
@JuanMacready Thats great! Good for Britain, i am extremelly proud of them at beating to the USA to partial reality.
mattmatt115 10 months ago
@mattmatt115 I am glad the first Gulf War proved Eden was right all along.
JuanMacready 10 months ago
@JuanMacready the biggest victors here (other than the political fortunes of Nasser) were the USSR - they loved the way the French,Israelis & British were humiliated by their Nato friend the US and of course they had a free hand to cruch the uprising in Hungary - which they did with usual brutality.Still Eisenhower didn't mind about what the Red army was doing - best pick on your Nato allies instead!
revol148 9 months ago
Shifoo! Why haven't you put the entire video up? This one is heavily edited (not in a bad way) and left out a lot of key information, like the tripartite pact.
NRaza 11 months ago
nothing change after 60yrs, Egypt is still used and owned by British, thanks to Hosni.
Gutsyndicate 1 year ago
Anthony Eden is one of Britain's worst ever Prime Ministers
Janitor1993 1 year ago
How long will we continue to fight these wars over oil...
Thank God for alternative energy and companies like Tesla Motors who will end our oil economy...
jackooboy1 1 year ago
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Even today in the year 2010. Don't trust them. If they think they can get away it, they will do it. No doubt about it their lust for killing and colonialism is still there. Just go to a Italian police station and see the dead bodies of immigrants.
shussey100 1 year ago
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Even today in the year 2010. Don't trust them. If they think they can get away it, they will do it. No doubt about it their lust for killing and colonialism is still there. Just go to a Italian police station and see the dead bodies of immigrants.
shussey100 1 year ago
Nasser has a Hitler mustache. I love Nasser. Long Live Abdul Gamel Nasser!
bigpoopie69 1 year ago
Nasserist autoritationism had to be stopped then, just like Islamist totalitarianism has to be stopped today!
oren1neu1dag 1 year ago
Suez was a complete defeat for Egypt in military terms. How they can possibly portray it as some sort of valiant defence against the west shows just how low the BBC has gone.
The only reason Egypt won was because the US threatened to absolutely destroy the British economy.
smoochym 1 year ago
And still its a victory to those ppl coz they cept theyr land lol i call that a win
drmaikati 1 year ago
It's not independence when you swap Britain and France for the US.
smoochym 1 year ago
@smoochym
Regardless of the means, THEY (Egypt) WON. Britain left humiliated from Egypt and the Suez Canal belonged totally to Egypt.
Britain sucked balls and got owned. Egypt lost lots of civilians because of Anglo-French-Israeli terrorism and lots of its planes, buildings and houses were destroyed by western terrorism, but at the end they got what they wanted:
The most valuable asset in the planet, the only water body that directly connects the East to the West, the Suez Canal.
IslamGuideCom 1 year ago
@IslamGuideCom The same Britain that had totally defeated the Egyptian army in every single way left 'humiliated'? It was the US that forced Britain's hand in leaving, the pride of the British military remained untouched.
uninterestingentity 1 year ago 2
@uninterestingentity
Not just the US. The entire planet was horrified by the barbaric actions of the Tripartite, Imperialist aggressors. The whole world lay sanctions on the tripartite nations. That's how Britain, France and Israel lost the war, on a political level.
IslamGuideCom 1 year ago
@IslamGuideCom on top of Egypt losing the war (1956) they also lost most of the Sinai peninsula to the Israelis, they then went on to lose another war including their entire airforce(1967) which resulted in them losing control of all of it then tried to regain it in yet another war (which they lost and had to go crying to the United nations to end it) back in 1973 and only got it back by Sadat sucking Israeli semen in the Camp David peace accords (1979)!
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
Yeah and they gained the peninsula back in 1957. Yes, they lost in 1967, but in 1973 they smashed Israel in 2 days and Israel had to go running to America for help. Israel established a well-defenced position on their side of the Sinai peninsula with new American hardware and Sadat, the retard, contradicted the advice of his General, by attacking Israel on their side of the peninsula. If Sadat listed to General Shazly, the war wouldn't be lost for Egypt, although it would for Syria.
IslamGuideCom 9 months ago
@IslamGuideCom the 1973 war is a bit of a mystery for a variety of reasons such as why the USSR didn't resupply their Arab clients in response to Israel losing all their airforce in the first 48 hours and having to beg the USA for weapons.Also why with the cover of a battery of anti-aircraft missiles did the Egyptian army grind to a halt a few miles east of the canal itself.It kinda makes you wonder whether the destruction of Israel was NOT the plan but to just take control of the canal itself.
revol148 9 months ago
@IslamGuideCom correct - Egypt gained the peninsula back ONLY after the USA put pressure on Israel/UK/France to pull back hence the US came to Egyptians rescue (although that's O.K with you!) quite unlike when the US helped Israel avoid oblivion with weapons back in 1973 (when that is not O.K - double standards perhaps!) Oh and what was the Arab world going to do with the Israelis HAD they won in 1948,67 & 73?
revol148 9 months ago
"Egypt gained the peninsula back ONLY after the USA put pressure on Israel/UK/France to pull back hence the US came to Egyptians rescue (although that's O.K with you!) quite unlike when the US helped Israel avoid oblivion with weapons back in 1973 (when that is not O.K - double standards perhaps!)"
The thing is that Israel was occupying Egyptian land and after countless attempts at peace deals, Egypt had no choice but to get it back by force. Israeli land was never occupied.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 you are correct Sinai was never israeli in the first place until by conquest.I am not criticising Egypyt for attacking - in any case between '67 and '73 there were constant cross border skirmishes between the two sides so it was inevitable things would get worse.In the long-run Egypt got the best deal from the Camp David accords in particular the resorts on the Red Sea are a very important source of foreign income as well as reclaiming a few oil wells.
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
I'm truebeliever786. I will be answering from that account of mine :)
IslamGuideCom 9 months ago
@IslamGuideCom why two accounts though?
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
If America gets itself caught up in another war, not only will civilians die but US soldiers will die and taxpayers money will get wasted and drained. The economy will be drained and the people will suffer for it, while those at the top of the hierarchy will remain unaffected and perhaps benefit. I mean, honestly why can't they wage a war using the money of the upper class rather than that of the average Joe. Its unfair. They exploit their people for their own interests.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 America is in debt to the tune of $14.6 trillion! (I've just got that figure from google!) Quite why they are NOT cutting back is a mystery to me.True - the people at the top levels of society care less what happens - after all most soldiers are recruited from the poorest elements of society who go on and fight the poorest sections of other societies.
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
You would? Well to me, the evidence is in the Holy Qur'an, like miracles. I mean it says strange and mysterious things about creatures, such as the fly, bee and mosquito. The stuff it says looks senseless and it sounds like it was random hocus pocus written by a mad man. But then when you examine modern science, the information mentioned completely matches harcore scientific discoveries. That to me is simply to extraordinary and convinces me that it is something beyond this world.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@smoochym USA threatened to freeze an IMF loan that the British had requested and that the USA had undersigned (USA had taken up half of Britain's war dept) I do believe it would have caused the British economy to collapse. I still believe Egypt should have been liquidated in 1956.
bigpoopie69 1 year ago
@bigpoopie69 nah, it was a fairly shrewd move by the states. The only thing possibly worse than Nasser, was a fully Communist Nasser. Besides, Britain and France couldn't keep pretending they were major powers forever.
smoochym 1 year ago
Tripartite pigs had invaded Egypt and killed so many civilians. They'll all burn in hell forever. May Allah (SWT) bless Jamal Abdel Nasser.
truebeliever786 1 year ago
@truebeliever786 Nasser,Sadat,Mubarak - no doubt being a "believer" in the cult of Allah you are probably more than approving of all those aforementioned dictators - after all as we kuffurs well know Islam (which is primarily a political system as well as a cult) is totally incompatible with democracy hence Egypt & Tunisia will drift for a few years until new dictatorships can be put in its place.To suppose the Middle east will be like Eastern Europe post 1991 is as funny as it is depressing.
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
Islam isn't a cult and it is 100% compatible with democracy. Islam says that a leader must be chosen by God and if that's not the case he must be chosen by the people (i.e. through democracy). No one today can claim to be divinely elected, thus democracy is the way today. What the hell is Kuffurs? Dumbass doesn't even know proper terminology.
Its called Kuffar. If you actually knew history, you'd know that Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak all used to torture and execute religious Muslims.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 are you sure - why not even the cult of Allah? - after all the point is that you have to surrender yourself to an imagined higher being - hence I see no difference to the cults in 19th century India such as the cult of Kali.Kuffurs have a variety of spellings - I myself have being called both kuffur,kiffir and indeed kuffir! That's fine the fact I have no interest in the three monotheistic relgions is a badge of honour - Jews call me goyim - big deal!
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
I do support people-uprisings. There is no such thing as the cult of Allah. You may not believe in Islam, but that does not mean you start insulting other people's religions. I am IslamGuideCom. That's my other account. Egypt halted a few kilometres into the canal, because that would create an air defence umbrella, thus nullifying any Israeli attempt to win by air. It should've stayed that way.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 I certainly do NOT insult anyones belief.In fact I am more than happy to believe in pretty much anything given evidence.I have no time for the three monotheistic faiths but certainly do not consider you or anyone else a lesser person because you do.(live and let live etc).I thought the whole point of the 73 war was to take as much of Israel as possible - with Syria and eventually Jordan taking their slices.
revol148 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 I never said Nasser,Sadat and Murbarak DIDN'T kill muslims(!)(?)Dictatorship (may) be the best form of governance in the M.E & North Africa: look at Libya - if most people hated Gaddafi he would have been overthrown by now - as it is a few rebels get publicity & think that bombing from 32,000 feet will win them this war!Anyway let's just see what happens in Tunisia & Egypt in the next 12 months before we start thinking about "people revolutions" in Bahrain,Syria and Yemen!
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148 Ref:Lebanon:I spoke to a Lybian (now living in Italy) on one of the early videos of the uprising who pretty much predicted the course of events over the past three weeks.The fact that the (tribal?) loyalty particularly in the west of the country will make any rebellion from the east (where Gaddafi has limited support anyway) virtually pointless.It is curious to see the West (in particular the US) being both terrified of Arab opinion whilst having little interest in getting too involved
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
If you have no time for 3 monotheistic faiths that is alright, but you must accept the fact that other people like me, do believe in a God, just as I must accept that you do not. Yeah, the thing is Sadat wanted Sinai back in return for a peace-treaty with Israel, but Israel wouldn't agree so the plan was to terrify Israel with a war and force them into peace. With Libya, I understand that Gaddafi is a dictator, but there are other ways to stop him than through military action I think.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 I would KILL to have a belief (I'm deadly serious!) I have nothing but envy in people such as yourself who believe in some higher/greater power that has created everything around us.HOWEVER I need evidence and as the three monothiestic religions offer NOTHING in that department so I will simply point out the downsides of these three religions (who actually have more in common than they let on particularly Judaism and Islam haowever ironic that may seem).
revol148 9 months ago
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thejackalmilano 7 months ago
@revol148 I know what u mean, I am a sunni Muslim from Egypt and at some point of my life i was a communist and an athiest. well the main question that made me an athiest was that If everything has to be created then how is god created, so if god was founded randomly then man would have been founded randomly. But then the same question helped me to have faith in Allah after asking it in the opposite way, that If Man can be founded randomly then god would have been founded randomly.
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thejackalmilano 7 months ago
@thejackalmilano*serious point*I would gladly convert to Islam IF there is more evidence.Whilst I am happy to believe the very existence of prophets such as Muhammed and Jesus - my worry is that signs from God(s) have been a bit lacking in the past 2,000 years.Whilst much of the natural world is indeed incredible - YET that doesn't (necessarily) mean that someone sat down and created it all.Perhaps the answer is right in front of us but we humans are just to simple to understand what we see.
revol148 7 months ago
@revol148
Well, I see Islam as the truth because of the Light and Guidance it brought to a society filled with darkness and oppression.
Islam taught these people to treat women kindly, to love them, to have mercy on them, to free the slaves, to feed the poor, the slaves and the orphans, to protect orphans and widows and to give wealth from inheritance the poor, the orphans and the needy - 4:19, 30:21, 4:94, 76:8, 4:8 etc...
I believe that such teachings must be from God. That's what I believe
truebeliever786 7 months ago
@revol148 I agree with u that the evidences are not 100% clear, but we are narrow minded compared to the divine force that created this universe with so perfection. I mean god had to leave some doubt to differentiate between people with faith and those who don't, faith means that u believe i something that is not 100% evident or sure about it but rather there are some clues that would lead u to it, i know u feel lost but try to read the bible or Quran and read about all religions and compare.
thejackalmilano 7 months ago
@thejackalmilano that is a fair point and I believe Christians actually say something very similar - along the lines of "if you need to have evidence of a god then this in itself shows a distinct lack of faith etc etc".All very convenient of course but hey I'm open to suggestions "athiest" so I would think that! As for reading up of all three monothiestic religions: if only I had the time - besides Islam in itself is a HUGE faith and mulit-faceted (something I was only aware of until recently)
revol148 6 months ago
@revol148 Just think, i would never advice you to not think because i believe we have brains for a reason. My brain told me at first that God is absolutely there and then i had doubt and my brain told me god doesn't exist and later it told me that there is 50% chances that god exists because the evidences that suggest that god does not exist has no proof also, at that point i suggested to read the quran carefully and then my brain told me that this book is not man made, it's a divine book!
thejackalmilano 6 months ago
@revol148 though i am a muslim but i really advice u to read about Christianity, Judaism and other religions and compare it to Islam. ALso Islam has some branches such ass Sunni, Shia, Suifism which is a branch in between and Wahabism wich is the extreme Sunni. I am a moderate Sunni but not a sufi because i think we should only ask the lone god and nothing but it but Sufi people ( i think they are true muslims but a little mislead) ask tombs and dead people which is something i reject.
thejackalmilano 7 months ago
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If u know arabic and read the Quran u would know it is definately a book not made by a man, it is something much more advances, something that only a god can produce.
thejackalmilano 7 months ago
@truebeliever786 if the muslim world wants to take sides in the (civil?) war in Libya they are really going to have sort it amongst themselves.Getting (bankrupt) countries like US,UK,Italy & France to fight in this war is simply pointless.Like I say if there was real hatred of Gaddafi then he would have collapsed weeks ago:as it is there seems to be a stalemate and inevitably the Allied countries are stuck in a difficult position.I await with interest to see what happens with Tunisia and Egypt.
revol148 9 months ago
@revol148
I also believe in Islam because of its beautiful teachings, like charity, helping the poor, sheltering orphans, being kind to women, freeing slaves and all that. I don't know. That's just the way I see it and I find it very spiritually fulfilling. If someone else doesn't that is fine with me. I won't kill them for it and I DO NOT believe that they will burn in hell for it.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 you are evidently part of the reasonable brigade of Islam (Suffism yeah?) however the Whabbist element is a lot more hardline - in any case it tends to be the hardline elements who give the three monotheistic religions a bad name.
revol148 9 months ago
I'm not exactly Sufi (I am a Shi'a), but I do affiliate with numerous elements of Sufiism, for instance, the idea that one is forbidden to hurt any living being, even animals and even plants. And I love the spirituality in Sufiism. Muhammad Ali, the boxer, is a Sufi. Yes, I hate Wahabiism. They are the ones that put forward the crazy idea of world domination, oppression and subjugation. They hate both the Shi'a and the Sufi and call us infidels. If you are interested, then by all means tell me.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
@truebeliever786 but the thing i don't like about Suffism and Even Shia is that u guys sometimes ask Ali or fatima something rather than asking it from Allah. Allah is so close and u should ask him directly rather than going to Ali's tomb and ask it! I am a Sunni btw and i respect Suifism and Shiasm
thejackalmilano 7 months ago
@thejackalmilano
No, I always ask Allah (SWT) directly. Seeking intercession from the Prophet (and his family) is okay to get closer to Allah (SWT) (Surah an-Nisa 4:64), but literally asking them from help isn't. And thanks for the respect. I respect the Ahlus-Sunnah very much as well. All Muslims are brothers and sisters, Subhanallah.
truebeliever786 7 months ago
@truebeliever786 but in (Surah an-Nisa 4:64) it only said prophet mohammed and used the singular adjective to refer to him only, besides i think it is a message only to the muslims at the time of the prophet as he can ask god for forgiving them only when he was alive but now going to his tomb and dead body to ask him to ask god for forgivness is pointless as he is not alive to do that!
thejackalmilano 7 months ago
@thejackalmilano
I understand what you are saying brother, but the Qur'an says:
"Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision." (Surah Ale-Imran 3:169).
Now if martyrs are considered alive, the Prophet would of course be considered alive and we believe that he asks Allah to pray for the believers. The companions during the time of Hadhrat Umar (RA) would ask ibn Abbas (RA) to pray for them, as a form of intercession.
truebeliever786 7 months ago
@truebeliever786 I have come across many Egyptians here who say that peace with Israel was a complete humiliation and that Sadat had no right to offer a peace treaty to a country that most of the population disprove the very existence of.Personally I think Sadat knew that a peace treaty was the best move - rather than a low intensity war with a far more militarily superior neighbour.
revol148 9 months ago
Small? population was half that of the UK, damned american moment of doubt, stopped financing the dam
meninagorda 1 year ago
KILL ALL MUSLIMS, THAT WILL SOLVE ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS
SvalbardJanMayen1976 1 year ago
@SvalbardJanMayen1976 i have a better idea kill all white people that will solve all the world problems!!
khalednassr2945 1 year ago
@khalednassr2945 I am happy to list the 25 conflicts around the globe which involve muslim countries if you want or indeed I could mention the fact that 87% of all terrorist movements are Islamic.
revol148 9 months ago
very biased documentry, just like BBC has always been, anti Britain!
EGK23 1 year ago
great - v interesting - thanks.
Sayinlondra 1 year ago
EDEN was a fucking faggot... he made terrible decisions
TrilogyofC 1 year ago
I agree totally with beastatlay. One other thing that this documentary is not making clear is that Winston Churchill was the last of the British Empire Prime Ministers. ANTHONY EDEN WAS VERY CONSCIOUS OF HIS PLACE IN HISTORY. HE DID NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN IN HISTORY AS THE PRIME MINISTER WHO LOST THE BRITISH EMPIRE BEGINNING WITH EGYPT !
But the reality was that the days of having Empires by subjecting other peoples, was now over !
NECHOII 1 year ago
note to self. Never read comments before watching video.
I got bored and turned it off, sorry. Too much talking. zzzzz
Nice effort though, thanks!
bodunchar 1 year ago
It's somehow like the Algerian war. it is always presented as a French defeat whereas it was one of the only counter insurgency war that succeeded and that was even studied by the American army before the Irak war
gipcambero 1 year ago
@gipcambero the Algerian counter insurgency was a joke. France lost 25,000 dead.
smoochym 1 year ago
Nassar had his faults, but he had a vision for his people and he was a charismatic leader.
whiff1962 2 years ago
Western powers did not want Panarabism, but now they have radical Islamism
pinquifrustri 2 years ago 2
Where are the Nasser's of today????
Rise up Arab world.
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ballsauce666 2 years ago
The Arabs need a leader like him.
mza131313 1 year ago
@ballsauce666 sucking my cock for $2
TrilogyofC 1 year ago
thus is what first turned me into a jihadi. And I have never looked back.
patsyd80 2 years ago
this is another proof who is the real terrorist!!! Mi6 AND THE CI FUCKING A!!!
urbanhkpunx 2 years ago 7
lol
beepandbop 2 years ago
@urbanhkpunx Erm... You do realise that the "CI FUCKING A" never was informed about the British actions and that the American government did not appreciate at all Eden's intervention?
DerPortugiese15 9 months ago
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humpingbird 2 years ago
Nasser the greatest ever, father of freedom, he was the Champion of the world
RockysBack1952 2 years ago
I don't know what kind of propaganda you listen to, but that's a lot of rot.
beepandbop 2 years ago
Omega: The west wanted Nasser destroyed from day 1. No weapons from US,UK, and b/c he got weapons from USSR they have to punish him? ...they want him to be a puppet and he refused. They wanted to keep the suez; refuse the Aswan dam; He couldnt trust anyone. If you are a true egyptian you will realize he was the 1st Egyptian to rule Egypt for the Egyptians since Pharoah. Its OK....blame Nasser if you feel better. But if you want the truth-read books by Nehru;Mandela&listen to this documentary.
translationwiz 2 years ago
Much of what you say is right but not all. the west was not against the aswan Dam. the west wanted to loan money to Nasser on several conditions. The conditions that were set were to make nasser take side in the cold war against the USSR but he wanted to stay neutral. I agree with you on all the other points you are making..
ARBIH87 2 years ago
Eden was a motherfucking son of whore.
21156590 2 years ago
Nasser was a great leader as was Ataturk for Turkey...:)
granskare 2 years ago
look i can forgive an error when made with good will and intention
nasser is the mark of the 20th century..
there is parties in venzuela, argentina,colombia,another 20 arabic nation out of 22!!!! following nasser principls(called nasserist)
يا راجل ده احنا ما بنصدق لاعب محترف يجيب جون زى عمرو زكى نقوم نتنطط
مفيش انسان عربى مصرى يقدر على الاقل ميحترمش وطنية وشخصية الزعيم الخالد
amr8506 3 years ago
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
ومن الناس من يعجبك قوله فى الحيوة الدنيا ويشهد الله على ما فى قلبه وهو ألد الخصام 204
واذا تولى سعى فى الأرض ليفسد فيها ويهلك الحرث والنسل والله لايحب الفساد 205
واذا قيل له اتق الله أخذته العزة بالاثم فحسبه جهنم ولبئس المهاد 206
( سورة البقرة )
terry123445 3 years ago
صدق الله العظيم
ايه المناسبة انك تكتب الايات دي؟؟
lOAWCBMF 2 years ago
Nasser like all leaders is not without flaws. He was the symbol of Arabian Liberation from colonialism. He refused being a puppet to either western or eastern Imperialism. He had to be punished. When he wasn't overthrown after 67; other plots were studied. But they needed a traitor. He smoked KENT cigarettes. Cia couldn't find someone to deliver a poisoned carton. THe other,and possibly successful, operation was assassination via camera.Emiting a beam and gradual death from the lens.
translationwiz 3 years ago
مصر ام الدنيا
masrawygamedd 3 years ago
Israel's waterloo is not too far oppressors will not last long.
voiceofreasoning 3 years ago 2
thats what they said in 1948, but we still here.
KINGD1991 2 years ago
I see both of us were here a few months ago :)
granskare 2 years ago
Still the Arabs want to be friends with these monkeys.
voiceofreasoning 3 years ago 8
united states of jews is after all vey powerful nation.
21156590 2 years ago
I am american and I don't like Israel having that much influence in our politics either.
elmoscarcan 2 years ago
as allways 5 stars
trustvip 3 years ago
thanks man
;-)
shifoooo 3 years ago
The Suez Crisis confirmed Britain's decline on the world stage, and demonstrated that henceforth it could no longer act without at least the acquiescence, if not the full support, of the United States. The events at Suez wounded British national pride, leading one MP to describe it as "Britain's Waterloo" and another to suggest that the country had become an "American satellite". Neverheless, the Suez Crisis was humiliating for Britain in a world ruled by the USSR and the USA.
YogaNate79 3 years ago 3
The parallels between Suez and the US invasion of Panama in the 80s are striking. The US invaded to secure a canal (like Britain) that they had built many years before (like Britain) in a country they had lost influence in (yep). Panama was as easy a pushover militarily as Egypt was to the UK and France. Difference was, the US threatened economic sabotage of a bankrupt UK to gain leverage.
A classic example of American exceptionalism. One rule for the outside world, another for them.
beastatlay 2 years ago 5
Love how you implicate us both, then at the bottom the phrase American exceptionalism. What was it called when you guys did it?
MindCloud420 2 years ago
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drunkest100 1 year ago
@MindCloud420 Imperialism, and we were both proud and honest about of it. No excuses and no bullshit.
drunkest100 1 year ago
beastatlay the Suez canal was built exclusively by the Fench
gipcambero 1 year ago
@gipcambero
Yes, you're right, I didn't make that clear. Still, it was administrated by the British for almost its entire history up to that point.
The intro to this documentary disingenuously excludes the fact that Operation Musketeer was a stunning *military* victory - the Egyptians were routed by the French and British in perhaps the most successful airborne/amphibious invasion in history. Instead, the voiceover crassly sets Nasser up as a sort of swarthy William Wallace or Sitting Bull.
beastatlay 1 year ago
yep, for this event, the "political" defeat is always stressed instead of the tactical victory.
gipcambero 1 year ago
@beastatlay lol dumbass britain didnt build the suez canal france did. Britain did it for the $ and lied to its own ppl now we now the truth because of he declassfied files tht britain and france reveald.
antikackz 1 year ago
Oh, save your self-serving post-colonial carping.
If you want to see real duplicity and abandonment of principle, watch the Youtube video entitled "South Africa : The Boer War (1 -5)."
If the British hadn't denied the rights of British citizens to the American colonists, America would still be part of the British Commonwealth.
So, save your finger wagging, and get to work rebuilding your sadly wretched country.
Sigolet 8 months ago
@Sigolet ref: the US & British Commonwealth -although ALL empires have a shelf-life to them (No exceptions) - hence the US would have in any case declared their independence at some stage.As for the last sentence -can you tell me how much the US (currently) owes China? - go on be honest (to the nearest trillion).An economic model where China lends money to the US in order for them to buy ever more Chinese products - is that sustainable or are you heading for 3rd world status like most of the EU?
revol148 7 months ago
@revol148
I'd be more interested in finding how much of that Chinese debt the U.S. spends defending Britain and Europe. The last I heard, the U.S. spends more on the defense of Europe than the Europeans do. So, if the U.S. stops enabling European parasitism, we may avoid "heading for 3rd world status like most of the EU."
However, that is beside the point. The issue was one of promoting international double standards, The U.S. record is far, far better in that than England, no question.
Sigolet 7 months ago
@Sigolet that's a fair point - all the European countries are way too reliant on the US.Still I completely understand if Nato splits up in the coming decade due to lack of money/interest/ humiliation about the current campaign in Libya.As far as the record of the US is concerned it's NOT as bad as the British however your past record on backing brutal dictatorships in Central and South America, Africa and the Middle east certainly compromises your desire of being a force of good in the world.
revol148 7 months ago
beautiful Egypt stood by itself against the world and paid with its sons blood, But Forever will your souls be remembered as brave souls who fought for its rights The ppl of Portsaid have my highest Respect and May every single soldier,civilian,child who died for Egypt rest in peace for all eternity
pharaonicvs 3 years ago
Nasser was a corrupt little dictator that ended up assonated by his own people. He didn't care about the Egyptian people he was in it for himself and made Egypt bankrupt. One of the reasons why Egypt is still a poor country is because it's leaders do not have the best interests of their people at heart.
pyt556 3 years ago
god bless gamal abdel nasser
tawficke 3 years ago
don't send me personal messages , tawficke.
shifoooo 3 years ago
why? are u scared because im saying the truth?
ok than bslama
tawficke 3 years ago
scared?!!
actually , I don't talk with persons who start their conservations with insults.
shifoooo 3 years ago
@shifoooo umadbro?
pornotheclown 11 months ago
as allways 5 stars
engsolom2000 3 years ago
Correction sent the first one too quickly. Nasser was a corrupt little dictator that ended up Assassinated by his own people. He didn't care about the Egyptian people he was in it for himself and made Egypt bankrupt. One of the reasons why Egypt is still a poor is because its leaders do not have its people's best interests at heart
pyt556 3 years ago 5
Almost assassinated I meant! Sorry another correction. And he led the unfortunate Egyptians into an unfortunate war with Egypt.
pyt556 3 years ago
the middle east would be much stronger if all stood together. but between the sunni and shia. and the arabs and of course the western divide and counqer gimmick. it has remained vulnerable.
darkmastr1 3 years ago 2
"Every month there was an attempt on his life" the bastards!! God bless his soul in heaven our father of freedom will live in our hearts and minds forever he will never die.
Thank you shifooo بارك الله بيك يابطل
RockysBack1952 3 years ago
you are wellcome , man
:-)
shifoooo 3 years ago
Every good and real Arabian has to know the middle east history so we may free our countries from oppression !Egypt, Iran and Arabia Need to stand together to improve the middle east!This infighting is cause of zionist and outside influences that eye the middle east and want to Enslave its people!Zionism is a lie and evil!I have always liked Nasser !(may god bless him) thanks for this clip!I not upset that Eygpt(A.Sadat) signed a peace with Apartheid israel!Eygptains are still our brothers!
SSWOLFENSTEINSS 3 years ago