@Muhammad2183 Do you have factual proofs of all those claims?... I mean wanting to worshiped is pretty selfish and stuff.... You know, pedophiles use the same reason of believing without any proof (They have candies in their van)... It must be true!
Whats up with all this "Wheres your proof God exists" nonsense. God created mankind to worship Him, to recognize Him without any proof. It is sufficient. God wants to test mankind for all to see (angels, devils, etc.) To show that mankind isnt evil. To show that mankind will worship God even if they cant see Him. To recognize the Creator and be thankful to Him. There doesnt have to be proof if thats what the whole test is about. I will never leave Islam for as long as I live.
@skakvac Such proves are also found in the Bible. Like, when a baby boy was 8 days old, he would be circumcised. And at that very moment, the presence of pro-trombine is at its peek. This is a natural element that stops the bleeding. (as you probably know, muslims do it a lot later).
I do not mean to disrespect and neither am I a christian, but take a look around before you claim to have the truth.
Thanks for this video. Always interesting to learn new things. Any person who is searching for truth will take something from it and maybe read more about it. What I find incredible is the life of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). The No1 most influential person in history according to wikipedia. And many people don't know anything about his life which is quite strange.
before proving the existence of god, you need to prove that quran is the book of facts. If quran is a bunch of fail, then prof of gods existence is a big fail....one disproves the other
how come when it comes to God, and proving the divine creator excites, every idiot among you turns to nature, give us something we already haven't find out, give us the solution to medical problems give us the solution to making fats speed rockets, quantum mechanics, if your book knows everything you should, not just fall on claims that has been proven....sad thing is you cant, why because its all made up. even you know it
ooh please, you actually believe this bullshit, the one about the star is wrong, the quran said the God made the universe big (vast) not expanding this idiot just put in expanding, and if it was true, why is the claim coming out now, before scientist use to think that the universe isnt expanding, there were no imams or Islamic scholar, saying oh its false, no after science recently discovered this, every Muslim idiot start to jump on it, next time Muslim give us the cure to HIV, if you can
ok, if there is no God ,1- what is the source of mercy in this life ,? 2- why we get old and die ,who make us get old .? 3- in quran - "And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember" -49- sura-"tharyat" it proof that life is well planed and not by chance .
the quran mentions what an atom is made of and scientist just recently found out. quran mention how oil is made . there are to many miracles in the quran. there is a solution for every problem on this world and its in the quran
@TheGreatKurd your joking right, lol. Greeks gave the suggestions of atoms, and how oil is made, bullshit, lol ooh god, your an absolute illiterate, you dont evn know how oil is made, and its not for one in the quran, so dont bother looking, there many miracles in the Quran and solution to every problem, so how come imams are stupid, and muslim scholars dont have the cure to cancer, HIV, answer to quantum physics, mechanic, and dark matter? and so on as so for
one of the miracles of the quran is that all it's science has been proven correct and only in recent times. where as other books have some truth and some falsehood.
nice video.
and don't bother arguing about classic arabic, it's a very detailed rich language and even arabs need to study it to understand the quran. so don't look at the english translation and think you know what it's saying. the translation is only to have a idea, not to understand it. arabic words can have many meanings.
@peace871 lol i am laughing at how stupid you are, lol read your comments again, its rich language, no body understand, and even the arabs dont, lol i think your imams and scholars they do, infact they do alot thats why they translate it to people like you (fools like you) so u can understand, understand in there own words, you know the bad thing about not knowing something, u can make it to fit your self and to benefit yourself u can twist the words and give idiots like yourself stupid meaning
Where did you get this weird translation of Sura 86? It's not a "knocker" but a "star that comes at night", and it's not a "piercing star", but a "star of piercing brightness".
Earth was formed long after the Big Bang.
Now, what scientific facts were not know at the time?
You're saying that your knowledge of arabic is limited to Quran and to interpretation of pantomime? Then, as far as you know, Tariq could mean "sudden", "hit", "wall", "noise", "fingers"... ?
By the way, pulsars emit pulsating electromagnetic radiation, ranging from radio waves to X-rays; they are "knockers" no more than neon lights, electrical wirings, and any flickering, non-audible source of energy.
Word/Meaning Mentioned in the Quran Al-bahar Sea 32 Al-bar Land 13
If we add up the total words of both "sea" and "land" we get 45. Now if we do a simple calculation:
32/45 X 100% = 71.11111111% 13/45 X 100% = 28.88888888% Above is what we know today, the percentages of Water (Sea) and Land in the world. Yet another miracle in the Quran.
Let's assume Allah - the omniscient, omnipotent God exists. But how come he could not know of these requirements:
That one day man will go to North/South pole (where days and nights are for many days) or to Space station or to Mars (at least man has reached moon)...
Salat, Saum (fasting) has time factor, before sunrise, After noon, etc.
How can he be called just when the day time is different for different people and they cannot fast there? what about space station where sun rises too fast; ?
@bilal1jordan Even if that letter was true, cause it's not or else no one would've seen jus evidence or believed him (seriously that's common sense read the books!) we have evidence now so it wouldn't matter
For someone whose life is not in the line of fire from something called hardship, who has nearly everything he could hope for, then this world will make him believe that this is paradise. You haven't answered my question, what about those lives who are victims of this world's attrocities, who will judge their aggressors who mostly got away with their crimes, verily this world has little or no means to accomodate this problems because it is global
Before you even begin talking about whether or not there is science in the Quran, you need to investigate who translated the book into English. If the translation was AFTER modern science discovered all of the marvels of our universe, then do you think it is possible that the translator might have purposely translated it to make it SEEM like the Quran has science in it?
Also, many of the verses that are in this video are extreme stretches. The "Knocker" one is a great example of a stretch.
damn, i thought you were going to show a video of allah himself clipping his toenails on that throne of his carried by angels. what a huge disappointment.
God said this in quran, what people say when they die:
23:99.Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: "O my Lord! send me back (to life),-
100. "In order that I may work righteousness in the things I neglected." - "By no means! It is but a word he says."- Before them is a Partition till the Day they are raised up.
skavac One more thing. We don't have the theory of evolution on one hand and religion on the other hand. Science and religion are not of equal value, especially when it comes to the origin of the universe, origin of life.
We have an established theory, that is evolution.
And we have a fairy tale called Quran or the Bible on the other hand.
Existence of Allah is a scientific claim.
You don't get away with it without presenting valid premises.
@fastballonly The reason you didn't find God is because you're not looking hard enough. You expect your Creator to crawl to you and prove His existence? No my friend, it is you who should be looking for Him not the other way round don't let your pride and ego cloud your judgement, good luck. Me? The Quran is my choice with the help of Allah of course
@zaicesaridi Suppose you looked hard enough and found God, then you should be able to present the proof for God's existence. Let's have it then. Show me. Why should I look for Him? I don't need God.
There is no pride or ego on my part that clouds my judgment. The "cloud" is on you if you resort to an irrational belief in this case your Islamic faith.
@fastballonly you said you dont need God, ooh yes you will need God after death, on the day of judgment, when he judge all of us for our deeds, but you will never get any help from God on day of judgment , beacuse you did not need God in this life, so why sholud God help you then ??? God said in quran;
7:147. Those who reject Our signs and the meeting in the Hereafter,- vain are their deeds: Can they expect to be rewarded except as they have wrought?
@skakvac Nicely put my friend, alas not many people heed the call, now we know how the Messengers of Allah felt more or less when they tried to convey His messages to man. Most only realize it when they are close to dying but by then it is too late for them
@skakvac There is no sense in speaking as though "God" is an a priori existence here. God at this time is nothing more than a hypothesis. Do not appeal to faith because I have no obligation, duty, desire, or need to believe in God. The game is over when we die. But the game while it lasts is wonderful.
So far, you are only soliciting Islam on me.
Stop preaching, stop trying to persuade me, stop quoting Quran because it is a fantasy fiction.
@ShuffleswithHearts I don't care if you find me rude or not. That is your problem. Everything is subject to criticism, humor, and satire. Nothing is immune to this. The problem with religion is that it claims a special right to avoid offense. It is not going to work like that.
Claiming that God exists is a large claim.
Expecting non-believers to respect Islam is arrogant.
@ShuffleswithHearts Well, some atheists are moderate enough not to "rock the boat" as Richard Dawkins puts it. Some don't pull any punches at all and criticize religion blatantly. I am the latter type.
I don't see any reason that religions and rational thinkers can coexist without unnecessary compromise or meaningless pretense or undue respect. Rather, religion is an enemy to civilization and free society.
I acknowledge one's right to have faith, but I am strongly opposed to their claims.
@ShuffleswithHearts You have lost your dignity completely. Does Islam not teach you to keep your calm? "Reason" is obviously not a repertoire in Islam or any other religion.
@ShuffleswithHearts Well, as said earlier, everything is subject to criticism. We are all offended by what someone says about something. But we don't have the right to claim a special right to avoid being offended, or prevent people from expressing their view no matter how disturbing they may be.
Islam's problem is that it claims that special right to take offense and go straight to violence.
@fastballonly There are lots of evidence around us to prove that the Creator exists, from my point of view that I found it ridiculous for any man to simply deny it, thus the word pride and ego come into mind. And the classic 'who needs God', you forgot He is the REASON you are here, alive and breathing. And it is for us to acknowledge Him and bow down to His will and might.
@fastballonly There are signs everywhere in the creation of this world for the one who looks for God. Ask yourself, after you see this world, do God have to show Himself to PROVE that He exist? In due time He will definitely do that, but God will do it on His own terms, not ours. One proof? Look no further than yourself, what makes u tick? What is it inside us that made us alive, what is concience, why u r the way u are. It is nothing short of a miracle that we exist today.Learn human anatomy
@fastballonly I think u misunderstood what i m trying to say, "There are signs that are visible only to the believers" I did not say that. My argument is, HOW can we exist at all by PURE coincidence alone, now that does not MAKE any sense to me. Do u know how hard it is to make a single atom, that requires an advance type of knowledge to create, let alone a human being,
@fastballonly My statements simply said , look at HOW this world works , take for exmple the earth why is it the way and positioned as it is now, it is so precise that one small mistake we either roast or frozen to death and the moon is there to stabilize the earth or it will end up a barren land like Mars. So my point is do u think the earth and the moon positioned itself just right so that there is life on earth? Think about that.
@fastballonly And I say why not, d u mean to say the earth purposely positioned itself just right so that life can survive, that by somekind of accident we humans are the way we are, masters of the earth? Not only that but our human form are so different from animals with a supercomputer brain to boot? Your problem is u never question all this and u haven't answer me directly on this problem.
@zaicesaridi I do wonder and question "how" did all this come into existence. The universe, the stars, all the species and so on. But I'll never be satisfied with answers backed with revelation, faith, scripture(fiction anyway), myths, or any arbitrarily postulated "God(s)".
There is a scientific explanation for the positioning of planets, complexity of living organisms etc.
For all the inexplicable, the best available answer is "we don't know"
@fastballonly Thank u, your answer indirectly mean u do believe in the Creator. Because the question will always be "how can this all be" without the cause.
@fastballonly tell me how can Quran speak about Big bang, expansion of the universe, pulsars, that universe was smoke in the begining, that universe is flat and many other scietific things ??? when no telescopes, microscoes, computers and amplifiers was not invented durig that period in 6th century when quran came from God ???? how can that be, the answer is , God told us that in quran , beacuse it is he who started Big bang.
@fastballonly "we don't know" Is that your best theory on life? If that's good enough for u than good luck, but that answer has one major drawback which is what if u are wrong. An atheist once answer back by saying what if he is right.IF he is right and that's a big IF, then, so what, so life ends , that's it. But IF he or u are wrong ,and there is afterall an afterlife, then.... no thing and no one will b able to help u when judgement day comes, please think that over.
@fastballonly Judgment day is that day after death, when we all raise up from our graves, when God recreate us , flesh, bone and put soul back in the body again.
That day God shall judge us all for our deeds, does who did more sins than good deeds shall enter hell, does who did more good did than sins shall enter paradise.
If you wonder how shall God recreate us when we became soil and dust, watch video How shall God bring the dead back in my channel section, very good lecture
@skakvac Yeah, yeah. Could you stop using "God" as if it were an established fact? You are only preaching to me now, soliciting your religion, giving me a sales call for God. I don't need that stuff.
You have done nothing to prove the existence of God, paradise, and afterlife that you mentioned to explain judgment day. These are all taken from your holy book. It is a fantastic fiction at best.
Any logical explanation at all? Otherwise, I will rest my case.
if you do not believe in paradise and hell, which are in parallell universes right now, watch what scientist say about parallell universe, they say that parallel universe exists, and that is what islam say also, and in some of these universes they are paradise and hell. watch video on my chennel about parallel universes.
Tell me how can quran talk about big bang, expansion od the universe and other scientific facts which modern science confirm?
@skakvac You can use the word God. Just stop using God as if it were an a priori truth because it is not an established fact.
>"paradise and hell, which are in parallel universes right now"
What is this? It is ridiculously out of proportion, and lamentably delusional. How do you know that?
When scientists speak of parallel universes, they are referring to the multiverse theory. It is a hypothesis at this time and they know it. Only the religiose like you would distort these hypotheses.
@fastballonly you did not answer my question, who told people about in 6th century in desert about Big bang, expansion of the universe, pulsars, orbit od the mooon like S-form, that universe is flat, that universe in the begining was smoke and so on, tell me ? WHO?
It is He who created universe, same being revealed the quran to humanity.
God said:
We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth.
@skakvac Give me a break. Your questions are so ludicrous that they only warrant ridicule. Are you saying that Quran called some scientific facts, or even predicted some?
You are utterly delusional.
The universe is less than 10,000 years old according to the Quran.
Homo Sapiens were created by Allah, not evolved from apes, according to the Quran.
You are closing your eyes to the falsehoods in your holy book so conveniently.
Now, stop referring to this book of fiction as a reference of facts.
@fastballonly dont lie, quran does not say that universe is les than 10 000 years old.
if you dont believe what God say in quran , a say to you just wait until angel of death come to you and then you will see if there is God or not, just wait and see, but it is to late when death comes, you can not regret your sins then, and you will be judged by God on the day of judgment. just wait and see ;)
@skakvac Okay, I will take your correction on my understanding of Quran. Tell me then, how old is the universe according to the Quran? Does it say 4.6 billion years old?
Where in the Quran does it say that Homo Sapiens emerged as a result(and process) of evolution by natural selection? How do you justify the infanticide? How do you justify the death penalty for apostasy?
Does the Quran explain what the dark matter and dark energy might be?
@fastballonly quran does not say exact date when the earth was created.
evolution is wrong, that is why quran does not speak about evolution. the infanticide is forbidden in quran.
dark matter and dark energy , maybe there is something about that in quran, God say in quran that something is changing light direction in universe, and we know today that it is dark matter causing that.
multiverse in quran, god said:
[Allah] is the one who created seven superimposed Heavens...
@skakvac If Quran doesn't explain the age of the universe, then it has nothing to say about it. Science shows that the earth is 4.6 billion and the universe is 13 billion years old.
>"Evolution is wrong"
Say what? Go read a book on evolution for yourself and find out it is a fact.
>"We know today that it is dark matter causing that" We don't KNOW that. There's something we can't explain about the universe without the idea of dark matter and dark energy.
@skakvac Your second paragraph sounds like an intimidation to me. Does Allah always threaten people like that? It is totally rude and arrogant of Him to do so. I have complete freedom to refuse God's influence on my own life.
If Allah's push comes to shove, though highly unlikely that He exists at all, then I will gladly opt to refuse anything he may menace with me.
@fastballonly no he does not need always to threaten people but when people behave like small chrildren and they are whiout controll, what do parents do, they thret they children do beat them if they play football in hous and break some windows and other stuff. humans behave some, when they drink alcohol, drugs, and other stuff they do it even when it harms them and other people, that is why God threaten some people.
@skakvac So, Allah has a tendency to threaten people if they don't follow Allah's way. That is such a self-righteous, arrogant, malignant, vindictive and capricious entity. What a child Allah is, if that's what he does.
Human beings behave so childishly when they give up thinking and fall back on faith, whereby they can stop thinking, stop searching for the truth. Faith is highly driven by laziness, thoughtlessness, and blindness and closed-mindedness.
@fastballonly yes you have freedom beacuse God gave you that, but you will be responsible for your actions on the judgment day. my friend you will not harm God a little bit if you refuse him and his commandments, you just hamr yourself whitoput knowing it, and you will know it on judgment day.justwhait and see what happens , when death comes to you, and the souls begin to spred trough you body and when angel of death begin to pull you soul out from the body, then you will know if there is God.
@skakvac That is not a fact. You are yet to prove God's existence and yet you keep mentioning God as if it were an established fact. I told you many times.
I am starting to get bored with your babble and preaching of Islam. I am not mentally lazy enough to believe a fantasy as being the truth.
Excuse me when I say this to you, but, "God my ass".
That is all I can say as long as you keep babbling and refuse reasoning.
@fastballonly as i said , whait until death comes to you, when soul is going out from the body, then you will know fi there is God or not, but if there is God which you do not believe, it will not be funny for you.
beacuse it would be to late to regret for your sins. if you dont believe me, just be patient and whait to de time of your death, peace my friend.
@skakvac Well, there is no sense when death comes to me because I will no longer exist. Someone will bury me or cremate me. That's all. You have not established anything plausible about "God", "soul", "paradise", "hell", "Allah" and so on. The only thing you've done is to use those words as if they were existent.
You have not got anywhere at all.
I don' t care one bit about all these divine threats you make of me in the post-death stage because you don't even know what you are talking about.
@fastballonly yes your soul will exists, and after a period when judgment day comes God will recreate our bodies again, from head to toe, with bones and flesh and soul. and then you will raise from your grave. beacuse you dont believe quran, just wait and see for yourself with your own eyes, when you open them again like you wake from your sleep here in this life.
You were blinded by our Maths, my friend. Do you know how long is 10,000 years in the afterlife? Correct me if I'm wrong, but one minute in the afterlife seems like 1000 years on Earth. So, the universe is indeed less than 10,000 years since Allah overseers all of us in the High Heavens. And yes, Homo Sapiens were created by Allah, we (including you) don't evolve from apes. CONTINUE:
so, you're saying that apes in the forests and jungles will evolve into human in a few thousand/million years? I find that to be funnier than Chris Rock's stand-up jokes. Science claims that human evolved from apes and another theory assumes human and apes share the same ancestry (didn't know we got the Elder Scrolls for real that we came from the Ayleids). Allah created apes for one main reason and that is, the difference of mind power. Human (high) Apes (very low). Think it over.
there's still more... ever heard of 99 beautiful names of Allah? The numbers are marked on your palms... you know what? screw it... you ain't gonna admit that Allah is real even if I bring a photograph of Him to you. Like the Surat al-Baqarah said, "their minds all diseased by their own ignorance" you didn't even realize Allah is the only God ruling the entire Universe.
so... chickening out? Allah your ass? I hope you die sooner or later... then you'll know who's spanking your ass... I rest my case... you're a coward... you said nothing more but "Ridiculous and Nonsense"... yet those comments are ridiculous and nonsense...
for a while there, I've read none other than insults... if that's your only trait which you've learned in your life then I'm sorry, I give up... there's no use declaring Allah is real to you.. as I've said, even if I bring a photo of Him you'll still wouldn't believe it... and you need a psychiatrist and therapist... 'cause you have a serious anger management and mistreating the others. I'm giving you facts, and you reply with insults... good for you...
@detheroc98 Photo of Allah would not suffice as evidence of his existence for one thing.
Second, you are the one who told me to look at my right hand for Allah's existence.
You are under a serious psychopathic delusion. I have no need for anger management because I don't get angry with a god that does not exist. Also, I rather enjoy ridiculing a religious crack-pot like yourself.
Come back when you are ready for a truly philosophical debate.
it is you who doesn't mature yet for a truly philosophical debate... as you can see there's a word of Allah in your hand when your fingers are closer together and you're too blind too accept it.
@fastballonly Your idealogy of atheism is good news for criminals, why? If I am to embrace your ideas about life that everything comes from nothing and ended to nothingness, then why do good even, I will live my life the way I wanted it doing everything however good or bad without FEAR of being accounted for it.All the crimes that never got solved, got away coz u said we end to nothing, maybe u will say tough luck for the victims? but is that justice? Plse reply your points on this
@zaicesaridi Got tangled up with family matters and open school days, busy, busy , busy and practicaly exchausted no time for the internets GWB would say
@zaicesaridi Atheism is not an "ideology", first of all. It is a mindset that does not resort to believing anything without evidence. In the context of the origin of life and origin of the universe, atheism is the most rational conclusion one comes to when basing his beliefs on evidence. No religion has ever presented valid proof or sound argument for God's existence.
If you are suggesting that deviation from religion towards atheism is conducive to amorality, it is nonsense. To be Cont'd...
@fastballonly Really? Atheism the most rational? If you are right then why is it that most people rejected atheism. Your main arguments that because we can't see God,He don't exist. That sort of thinking is arrogant in a sense. Verily you will see God but not in this lifetime. God doesn't have to be seen to prove He exist, the existence of this planet is enough to prove that.
@zaicesaridi How do you know that "most people rejected" atheism?
>God doesn't have to be seen to prove He exist, the existence of this planet is enough to prove that.
This is a famous remark uttered by theists. You have not explained anything. You might as well say "Let's assume God's existence to begin with.". It is a cop-out non-explanation.
Why is the existence of this planet the proof of God's existence?
@fastballonly I am really trying to make it as simple as possible. Other than the existence of this planet I agree I cannot give you anything more except that you try to read the Quran and hope that someway I can get you to understand . But I'll give you my reason for rejecting atheism, if I am an atheist that believe this world exist by coincidence that someway life evolved as it is now without cause or reason, then for me even existence will be meaningless
@zaicesaridi I have read the Quran and would like to reread it, simply because it is a precious literature that mankind has made. There is zero chance that I will have faith in any religion. That is a certainty because I don't like to "believe in" anything. I would like to insist on evidence and accept facts and only facts.
The universe is not based on coincidence as you put it. There is the random side and there is the non-random side to it.
@fastballonly "There is zero chance that I will have faith" We Muslims believed that God has the right to choose whom He wills to be among the believers. So never say never, you never know what will happen in the future, I do hope that you will realize it one day that I am right and you are not
@fastballonly of course proof, islam was proven by modern science long time ago
in quran we can read about Big bang, expanding universe and other scientific facts, wich modern science confirm, and not only that, even westen scientist who studied confirmed that quran must come from God.
i can post to you these scientific verses from the quran if you wish.if you want the proof.
@skakvac Come on, gimme a break. If Islam was proven by modern science, then it would have incited a pandemonium among scientists. Why? Because then we would be looking at a whole new theory of almost everything. How does the Quran explain the big bang? Expanding universe? How do you explain the theory of evolution? You said yourself that evolution is a lie. But it is a fact. You are so full of shit.
How did it prove that 9.11 terrorists went to a martyr's heaven and got 72 virgins?
@fastballonly Yes, and many university prefesors, doctors, scientists and christian priest have already converted to islam.
How does the Quran explain the big bang?
Lika this:
21:30- Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, which We then split, and from water We made all living things? Will they not believe even then?
Quran
Expanding universe?
Like this
51:47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. Quran
@skakvac Those professors, doctors, scientists stopped being rational the moment they converted to Islam. As for the Christian priest, he only changed his favorite fairy tale from the Bible to Quran.
How do you conclude that these two verses are proofs for the Big-bang and expanding universe?!
It says nothing about the scientific facts. Sound logic is not about forcibly matching a verse to a scientific theory. What you are doing is childish.
@fastballonly How do you explain the theory of evolution?
if you tell me how can someone give somthing that he does not already have, in this case
How can nature/evolution give human a brain and inteligence but nature itself does not have brain nor inteligence ?? evolution is a lie, beacuse, there is already skeleton of these animals that we have today which lived milion years ago, and they never evolved.
@skakvac I told you to read a good book on the theory of evolution. Perhaps visit a large museum and see the skeletons yourself. Homo Sapiens are evolved apes. And apes, along with all other species can be traced back to the ocean, then back to bacteria, then untimately stardust and gas.
There is evolution written all over the earth and its species.
@fastballonly why do you insult yourself, you call yourself an animal, beacuse you believe in evolution and you evolved from apes. what if somebody came to to in the city and start with, "hello animal, how are you" how would you feel then ???
tell me something, How can nature/evolution give human a brain and inteligence but nature itself does not have brain nor inteligence ??
if you dont believe us, all i can say wait until the angel od death comes, then you will know if there is God
@skakvac I don't see how it is an insult for one to know that he is an animal. For we Homo Sapiens are animals, which evolved from apes. Rather, I think it is an insult for human intelligence for religion to teach people to refuse to accept the scientific truth available to us. Mankind does not come from the divine, not from the beyond. We emerged as a result of evolution.
I wouldn't feel insulted by being addressed as "animals" at all.
@skakvac To answer your question, "give" is not the appropriate word in this context. Rather, brain emerged in the course of evolution. It is a step by step increment, a gradual process. It is not something given abruptly by an entity or nature. We simply emerged as a result of evolution.
You can forget about the angels and God because you don't know what you are talking about.
It is all fairy tale and I think it's frivolous to have a religious faith in anything.
@fastballonly you must be joking :) "brain emerged in the course of evolution".
and you tell me aout fairy tale , very nice.
it is obvious that we do not agree, it is ok for you to believe that you are an animal and your ancestors were animals. if you come from apes, i dont ;)
you evolved from apes i came from Adam and Eve ;)
@skakvac I don't think it is possible to carry an intelligible conversation with any longer. It is not a matter of agreement. This is not politics. It is about science.
The theory of evolution is an established fact. You don't agree with it or disagree with it. It is a fact.
Of course you have the right to remain in the confines of religious ignorance and keep thinking that you don't come from apes.
It is up to you, though a serious waste of intelligence.
@skakvac Brain was not just given at some point out of nothing.
Evolution is a slow, graduate process. It takes one to have a broader perspective of thinking in terms of hundreds of million years, instead of the time span described in the holy books, which is insignificantly small.
Life on earth emerged as bacteria about 3.8 billion years ago, source of which can be traced to what made up the planet earth---gas and stardust.
And in 4.6 billion years in the earth's history life evolved from single-celled organism to multi-celled organism. And at one point life culminated in this fascinatingly differentiated, complex system which we call the human brain. Brain capable of understanding the very process it has walked, all the way back to the Big bang. And life is still evolving.
This fact is far more fascinating than the poverty-stricken religious imagination.
@fastballonly You haven't even answered even one of my questions about life other than demanding about proof this and proof that. You chose to follow blindly your theory of evolution which has never been proven because until now there is no evidence of missing links. I on the other hand have studied both the Quran and the Bible enough to make my choice. Atheism is not even in consideration because it's too arrogant for us to believe our existence is purely coincidental.
@zaicesaridi Again, you are exposing your ignorance. Go read a book on evolution. I have nothing else to say about this to someone who claims there is no evidence for evolution. You are simply ignorant.
Studied Quran and the Bible? So what? I have seen Batman and Lion King, too. Reading fictions can be entertaining and these books have value as literature, but it does not help you gain scientific knowledge.
And I told you evolution is not based solely on coincidence.
@fastballonly Watch the videos carefully without prejudice and you'll see why I chose Islam. God promised to protect the Quran and the Quran remains unchanged since its very first revelation. Quran is never a book of science yet the verses never contradict each other and the teachings remained relevant even today. Other than that Islam is the only religions that prohibits alcohol or drugs consumption. We challenge you to point one mistake in the Quran if u can
@zaicesaridi Why you chose Islam is like any other believers. Because you are irrational. Because you want to everything to have an explanation without an effort to understand it properly. Because you want easy pseudo-answers so that you don't have to think for yourself. Perpaps it was your religion in the upbringing and you haven't grown out of it.
As for alcohol and drugs, it is ridiculous and irrelevant.
@fastballonly All u ever say is irrational this irrational that, u never even answer my arguments but make up more excuses. NO wonder you are getting nowhere . Unlike u we chose to believe that there is life and judgement for all our deeds here in this life. Your idea of doing nothing but waiting for death is totally irrational , while u wait here waiting for your PROOF we the Muslims have moved on. Climb down your ego mountain and follow us
@fastballonly "you want everything to have an explanation without an effort to understand it properly" whatever do u mean by that, you did the same thing yourself , your theory of evolution has no CONCRETE evidence yet u followed it blindly. You want to believe in God because I know deep down inside u really want to, but u WANT God to come down and get you like a spoiled baby. You forget we are just His creations and verily we are bound to His Grace and Mercy. Bust that ego
@fastballonly Cont. to be an atheist means you have to lucky lots of time in terms of survival and health. I mean if i were to be infected with an incurable desease for life then what is the meaning of life for me anymore coz u can't give me hope, whatever words of consolation can u offer me is meaningless coz u said there's nothing when we died, I might as well commit euthanasia right then and there and get it over with
@zaicesaridi What makes you think that there is meaning for life, universe, nature, the planet? Did you ever think that this question may be unnecessary and irrelevant?
"What is the color of love" may mean something to a poet, but not to a scientist.
By the same token, "What is the Grand Canyon for?" or "What is the purpose of the ocean?" or "What is the meaning of the Sun?" are silly questions that should not even be put.
I am not convinced that anything natural has a meaning at all.
@fastballonly Without the ocean and the sun there will be no life , like I said learn how our planet works. Everything is interconnected , the sun, the moon, the ocean evrything, except us humans. The question is how . I take it u mean the world naturally evolved,meaning the earth the moon the sun willed themselves to co exist together because without even one life will not survive, or do u mean LUCKILY they are there at the right time and place and voila! life exist, as simple as that?
@zaicesaridi It is understandable that one fears death when he is told that is the end of the game. But the game while it lasts is a beautiful thing. A common immediate reaction to the end of life is to believe in an afterlife. That somehow you'll get another one. But reality or truth, no matter how bleak is real and true.
I just think that it should be accepted. Then, one can start to appreciate this life, the only life we get and live it fully now here on earth.
@fastballonly Cont. to believe in atheist means to do injustice to victims of this world, maybe u didn't notice but for some this is a hell hole for them. I ask u again where is justice for all the the victims of violence that were committed and never got punished. Where is judgement on these aggressors , is dying enough for them , well everybody dies , i dont see these as justice done. Please explain your stand point on this
@zaicesaridi If you are suggesting that we get our morals from scripture, that is nonsense. To the extent that we get our morals from a holy book, you cherry-pick. You can find some verses that condemn slavery, and other verses condone slavery for example. Pick a verse that subjugates women, and a verse that says all humans are equal.
Much of human atorocities were conducted in the name of God, by picking and choosing remarks in the holy book to justify brutal and depraved behavior.
@fastballonly Maybe you haven't seen what Stalin did to his people when he rose to power. If I remember correctly he is an atheist and called his ideology Communism. Because most of them want out , he had to put fences around his people and orders shoot on sight for deserters. Why don't u go and live there if you love atheism so much.
@zaicesaridi So what? Stalin was driven by crackpot Marxism. His atrocities were not committed because of atheism if that's what you're suggesting. Ideologies like communism can very well lead to brutality in a way similar to religion. People have done some brutal things throughout human history because of religion. Stalin's brutal acts were committed because of his crackpot Marxism, not by atheism.
@zaicesaridi In modern days we have abolished slavery, given equal rights to women and gays, emancipated black people, learned to be nice to animals etc.
These were accomplished not by religion but by rational, secular, sober discussions.
The criterion by which we determine what is moral is available to all, whether we are religious or not.
So, we don't get our morals from the Quran or the Bible. But humans have grown out of it. Well, some of us anyway.
@fastballonly I can't help but laugh at your suggestion that we the accomplishment is done without a consideration of faith in God. If u ever go to one of these forums you'll find that 90% are God oriented people.
@zaicesaridi At first I thought your comment and question was a good one, so I treated it with respect and replied accordingly. Now I am dismayed at how silly your second comment is.
> If u ever go to one of these forums you'll find that 90% are God oriented people.
What has this got to do with anything? Did you read my comments at all? I posted three of them in response to your previous comment. I feel I did all of that in vain. A total waste of time.
skakvac Pasting your reply below. It's your video, so feel free to erase it. That would describe your mentality though.
>"and who told you that evolution is the absolut truth, it is jus a theory, which is wrong"
There are 2 senses to the word "theory", One is a principle or a fact. Sense two is hypothesis, a speculation. The theory of evolution is a proven fact. Therefore it is sense one. Allah is a hypothesis, therefore it is sense 2.
@fastballonly i ahve posted two website which debunk evolution, evolution is a big lie, thgat is what it is, a BIG LIE. just read those websites and you will also know it
@skakvac They do not debunk evolution, but those videos are nothing more than propaganda. Why don't you pick a few biologists and tell them "theory of evolution is a big lie" and see what happens?
You will have to bring something better than these idiotic videos.
@fastballonly if you are so good in evolution tell me why we have found
skeleton of animals that looks like skeleton of animals we see today, same skeleton fosils milion years old and modern humans ,same, no diferences. why did not those animals evolved if you are so smart ???? and why we do not find any transitional form of animals ???
@fastballonly hey no debate or argument but i think u should see this video regarding science dr zakir naik quran and modern science on youtube,all the scientific facts in quran centuries before they were discovered by science. also did you know charles darwin said in a letter to his friend,"i do not believe in evolution as i have no evidence i only use it because it helps me in classification"(i cnt remember if he says classification or sumthn els but yh tel me wat u think of tht vid. peace
@pixxxi90 Circumcision... *a chill goes down my spine*... A horrible thing... I'm happy to be intact, because I can enjoy sex.
Poodleinacan 2 weeks ago
@Muhammad2183 Do you have factual proofs of all those claims?... I mean wanting to worshiped is pretty selfish and stuff.... You know, pedophiles use the same reason of believing without any proof (They have candies in their van)... It must be true!
Poodleinacan 2 weeks ago
Whats up with all this "Wheres your proof God exists" nonsense. God created mankind to worship Him, to recognize Him without any proof. It is sufficient. God wants to test mankind for all to see (angels, devils, etc.) To show that mankind isnt evil. To show that mankind will worship God even if they cant see Him. To recognize the Creator and be thankful to Him. There doesnt have to be proof if thats what the whole test is about. I will never leave Islam for as long as I live.
Muhammad2183 3 weeks ago
@skakvac Such proves are also found in the Bible. Like, when a baby boy was 8 days old, he would be circumcised. And at that very moment, the presence of pro-trombine is at its peek. This is a natural element that stops the bleeding. (as you probably know, muslims do it a lot later).
I do not mean to disrespect and neither am I a christian, but take a look around before you claim to have the truth.
pixxxi90 1 month ago
Thanks for this video. Always interesting to learn new things. Any person who is searching for truth will take something from it and maybe read more about it. What I find incredible is the life of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). The No1 most influential person in history according to wikipedia. And many people don't know anything about his life which is quite strange.
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Malan then whos is it jesus, lol
Modizs1 5 months ago
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Allah is not THE God
ManInControI 5 months ago
before proving the existence of god, you need to prove that quran is the book of facts. If quran is a bunch of fail, then prof of gods existence is a big fail....one disproves the other
lifemetall 7 months ago
how come when it comes to God, and proving the divine creator excites, every idiot among you turns to nature, give us something we already haven't find out, give us the solution to medical problems give us the solution to making fats speed rockets, quantum mechanics, if your book knows everything you should, not just fall on claims that has been proven....sad thing is you cant, why because its all made up. even you know it
007agentmr 7 months ago
ooh please, you actually believe this bullshit, the one about the star is wrong, the quran said the God made the universe big (vast) not expanding this idiot just put in expanding, and if it was true, why is the claim coming out now, before scientist use to think that the universe isnt expanding, there were no imams or Islamic scholar, saying oh its false, no after science recently discovered this, every Muslim idiot start to jump on it, next time Muslim give us the cure to HIV, if you can
007agentmr 7 months ago
ok, if there is no God ,1- what is the source of mercy in this life ,? 2- why we get old and die ,who make us get old .? 3- in quran - "And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember" -49- sura-"tharyat" it proof that life is well planed and not by chance .
brd1243 8 months ago
the quran mentions what an atom is made of and scientist just recently found out. quran mention how oil is made . there are to many miracles in the quran. there is a solution for every problem on this world and its in the quran
TheGreatKurd 9 months ago
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@TheGreatKurd Theres no proof any god exists.
akarshanmall 8 months ago
@TheGreatKurd your joking right, lol. Greeks gave the suggestions of atoms, and how oil is made, bullshit, lol ooh god, your an absolute illiterate, you dont evn know how oil is made, and its not for one in the quran, so dont bother looking, there many miracles in the Quran and solution to every problem, so how come imams are stupid, and muslim scholars dont have the cure to cancer, HIV, answer to quantum physics, mechanic, and dark matter? and so on as so for
007agentmr 7 months ago
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there is no god how silly of you to think there is.
tommy1lung 10 months ago
one of the miracles of the quran is that all it's science has been proven correct and only in recent times. where as other books have some truth and some falsehood.
nice video.
and don't bother arguing about classic arabic, it's a very detailed rich language and even arabs need to study it to understand the quran. so don't look at the english translation and think you know what it's saying. the translation is only to have a idea, not to understand it. arabic words can have many meanings.
peace871 10 months ago
@peace871 lol i am laughing at how stupid you are, lol read your comments again, its rich language, no body understand, and even the arabs dont, lol i think your imams and scholars they do, infact they do alot thats why they translate it to people like you (fools like you) so u can understand, understand in there own words, you know the bad thing about not knowing something, u can make it to fit your self and to benefit yourself u can twist the words and give idiots like yourself stupid meaning
007agentmr 7 months ago
This video is a giant logical fallacy known as the "appeal to ignorance." Stop being stupid and learn logic. Thanks.
OrmazdX34 10 months ago
Where did you get this weird translation of Sura 86? It's not a "knocker" but a "star that comes at night", and it's not a "piercing star", but a "star of piercing brightness".
Earth was formed long after the Big Bang.
Now, what scientific facts were not know at the time?
preuvezmoi 11 months ago
@preuvezmoi no it is not star that comes at night, i can read orginal Quran in arabic, i know what i am talkning about.
Tariq means knocker.
skakvac 11 months ago
@skakvac :
I'm not fluent in arabic, but literally it should mean: something that comes unexpectedly at night.
Common translations in Quran are "Night comer", "Bright star", "Morning star", and "Night visitant".
Also, even if "knocker" were one of the possible translations of the term, why should you choose this one? It seems to be some kind of Bucaillism.
preuvezmoi 11 months ago
@preuvezmoi i asked also ana arab about that word Tariq in quran , and he show med with his fingers knocking on the wall.
knockers is pulsars
skakvac 11 months ago
@skakvac :
You're saying that your knowledge of arabic is limited to Quran and to interpretation of pantomime? Then, as far as you know, Tariq could mean "sudden", "hit", "wall", "noise", "fingers"... ?
By the way, pulsars emit pulsating electromagnetic radiation, ranging from radio waves to X-rays; they are "knockers" no more than neon lights, electrical wirings, and any flickering, non-audible source of energy.
preuvezmoi 11 months ago
@skakvac
I think quasar is more accurate. Just an opinion.
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Word/Meaning Mentioned in the Quran
Al-Shahr Month 12
Word/Meaning Mentioned in the Quran
Al-Yahom Day 365
Word/Meaning Mentioned in the Quran Al-bahar Sea 32 Al-bar Land 13
If we add up the total words of both "sea" and "land" we get 45. Now if we do a simple calculation:
32/45 X 100% = 71.11111111% 13/45 X 100% = 28.88888888% Above is what we know today, the percentages of Water (Sea) and Land in the world. Yet another miracle in the Quran.
papercut272 11 months ago
Let's assume Allah - the omniscient, omnipotent God exists. But how come he could not know of these requirements:
That one day man will go to North/South pole (where days and nights are for many days) or to Space station or to Mars (at least man has reached moon)...
Salat, Saum (fasting) has time factor, before sunrise, After noon, etc.
How can he be called just when the day time is different for different people and they cannot fast there? what about space station where sun rises too fast; ?
nithyarizvan 11 months ago
@bilal1jordan Even if that letter was true, cause it's not or else no one would've seen jus evidence or believed him (seriously that's common sense read the books!) we have evidence now so it wouldn't matter
unlimitedchikara 1 year ago
@fastballonly Sorry man. Cant argue with a man with his fingers in his ears
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SwordofSpirit1 1 year ago
For someone whose life is not in the line of fire from something called hardship, who has nearly everything he could hope for, then this world will make him believe that this is paradise. You haven't answered my question, what about those lives who are victims of this world's attrocities, who will judge their aggressors who mostly got away with their crimes, verily this world has little or no means to accomodate this problems because it is global
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
Before you even begin talking about whether or not there is science in the Quran, you need to investigate who translated the book into English. If the translation was AFTER modern science discovered all of the marvels of our universe, then do you think it is possible that the translator might have purposely translated it to make it SEEM like the Quran has science in it?
Also, many of the verses that are in this video are extreme stretches. The "Knocker" one is a great example of a stretch.
ImOutOfLine 1 year ago
damn, i thought you were going to show a video of allah himself clipping his toenails on that throne of his carried by angels. what a huge disappointment.
leptismagna10 1 year ago
God said this in quran, what people say when they die:
23:99.Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: "O my Lord! send me back (to life),-
100. "In order that I may work righteousness in the things I neglected." - "By no means! It is but a word he says."- Before them is a Partition till the Day they are raised up.
skakvac 1 year ago
skavac One more thing. We don't have the theory of evolution on one hand and religion on the other hand. Science and religion are not of equal value, especially when it comes to the origin of the universe, origin of life.
We have an established theory, that is evolution.
And we have a fairy tale called Quran or the Bible on the other hand.
Existence of Allah is a scientific claim.
You don't get away with it without presenting valid premises.
No religion has ever been able to do it.
fastballonly 1 year ago 18
@fastballonly
theory is just a theory, it can be totally wrong, Quran is not fairy tale
western scientists say that Quran must come from God
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac You still don't understand the difference between the 2 senses of the word "theory", or perhaps you refuse to see the distinction.
The theory of evolution is an established, proved scientific truth, backed with massive evidence.
As to your 2nd paragraph, I have no idea what in the world it means.
Could you elaborate on that?
fastballonly 1 year ago 19
@fastballonly The reason you didn't find God is because you're not looking hard enough. You expect your Creator to crawl to you and prove His existence? No my friend, it is you who should be looking for Him not the other way round don't let your pride and ego cloud your judgement, good luck. Me? The Quran is my choice with the help of Allah of course
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Suppose you looked hard enough and found God, then you should be able to present the proof for God's existence. Let's have it then. Show me. Why should I look for Him? I don't need God.
There is no pride or ego on my part that clouds my judgment. The "cloud" is on you if you resort to an irrational belief in this case your Islamic faith.
fastballonly 1 year ago 16
@fastballonly you said you dont need God, ooh yes you will need God after death, on the day of judgment, when he judge all of us for our deeds, but you will never get any help from God on day of judgment , beacuse you did not need God in this life, so why sholud God help you then ??? God said in quran;
7:147. Those who reject Our signs and the meeting in the Hereafter,- vain are their deeds: Can they expect to be rewarded except as they have wrought?
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Nicely put my friend, alas not many people heed the call, now we know how the Messengers of Allah felt more or less when they tried to convey His messages to man. Most only realize it when they are close to dying but by then it is too late for them
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@skakvac There is no sense in speaking as though "God" is an a priori existence here. God at this time is nothing more than a hypothesis. Do not appeal to faith because I have no obligation, duty, desire, or need to believe in God. The game is over when we die. But the game while it lasts is wonderful.
So far, you are only soliciting Islam on me.
Stop preaching, stop trying to persuade me, stop quoting Quran because it is a fantasy fiction.
It's not going to work.
fastballonly 1 year ago 15
@fastballonly Fantasy Fiction?
Excuse me thats really rude considering that is my religious text and means alot to me
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You are rude.
/ MEAN
and God does exist.
ALLAH IS REAL!
ShuffleswithHearts 8 months ago
@ShuffleswithHearts I don't care if you find me rude or not. That is your problem. Everything is subject to criticism, humor, and satire. Nothing is immune to this. The problem with religion is that it claims a special right to avoid offense. It is not going to work like that.
Claiming that God exists is a large claim.
Expecting non-believers to respect Islam is arrogant.
All this is done without justification.
fastballonly 8 months ago 6
@fastballonly I have atheist friends and I respect their views
you're fucking stupid
I BET YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS
ShuffleswithHearts 8 months ago
@ShuffleswithHearts Well, some atheists are moderate enough not to "rock the boat" as Richard Dawkins puts it. Some don't pull any punches at all and criticize religion blatantly. I am the latter type.
I don't see any reason that religions and rational thinkers can coexist without unnecessary compromise or meaningless pretense or undue respect. Rather, religion is an enemy to civilization and free society.
I acknowledge one's right to have faith, but I am strongly opposed to their claims.
fastballonly 8 months ago 4
@ShuffleswithHearts One more thing. Throwing rants at me won't get you anywhere. Try to say something meaningful. Try to debate rather than bark.
Never open your mouth to say nothing.
fastballonly 8 months ago 4
@fastballonly YOU'RE RUDE YOU FUCKIN DOUCHE.
ShuffleswithHearts 8 months ago
@ShuffleswithHearts I rest my case.
fastballonly 8 months ago 3
@fastballonly STFU
ShuffleswithHearts 8 months ago
@ShuffleswithHearts You have lost your dignity completely. Does Islam not teach you to keep your calm? "Reason" is obviously not a repertoire in Islam or any other religion.
fastballonly 8 months ago 3
@fastballonly its just really rude of you to say tis.
ShuffleswithHearts 8 months ago
@ShuffleswithHearts Well, as said earlier, everything is subject to criticism. We are all offended by what someone says about something. But we don't have the right to claim a special right to avoid being offended, or prevent people from expressing their view no matter how disturbing they may be.
Islam's problem is that it claims that special right to take offense and go straight to violence.
This needs to be opposed in a civilized society.
Islam is not special. Neither are all religions.
fastballonly 8 months ago 2
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@fastballonly GTFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO im done you stupid loser
ShuffleswithHearts 8 months ago
@fastballonly There are lots of evidence around us to prove that the Creator exists, from my point of view that I found it ridiculous for any man to simply deny it, thus the word pride and ego come into mind. And the classic 'who needs God', you forgot He is the REASON you are here, alive and breathing. And it is for us to acknowledge Him and bow down to His will and might.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Lots of evidence? Okay, let's have it. No one has succeeded in this in human history. You can be a Nobel laureate.
It is logically unsound to assume God's existence to prove its existence.
Here is what you're saying:
"God exists. This is the truth. You cannot deny that or say anything bad about it. You're just not."
"Why not?"
"Because you're not."
See how ridiculous it is? It is a joke.
You have not explained anything. Why is He the reason we're here? Because He is?
fastballonly 1 year ago 19
@fastballonly There are signs everywhere in the creation of this world for the one who looks for God. Ask yourself, after you see this world, do God have to show Himself to PROVE that He exist? In due time He will definitely do that, but God will do it on His own terms, not ours. One proof? Look no further than yourself, what makes u tick? What is it inside us that made us alive, what is concience, why u r the way u are. It is nothing short of a miracle that we exist today.Learn human anatomy
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi You are still appealing to faith. That is an invalid argument. There are signs that are visible only to the believers. That is nonsense.
Human anatomy can be explained by science without the help of miracles. We are a result(and process) of evolution. We are not made by divine force.
"Miracle" is "a phenomenon that defies the law of physics."
"God" is a scientific claim.
If you postulate something like that, you have the duty to provide evidence for it.
Learn to reason.
fastballonly 1 year ago 12
@fastballonly I think u misunderstood what i m trying to say, "There are signs that are visible only to the believers" I did not say that. My argument is, HOW can we exist at all by PURE coincidence alone, now that does not MAKE any sense to me. Do u know how hard it is to make a single atom, that requires an advance type of knowledge to create, let alone a human being,
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi According to your statements, that is what you are saying.
You wrote; "There are signs everywhere in the creation of this world for the one who looks for God."
If it takes one to look for God to find God, then you are appealing to faith, aren't you?
If you think we exist by pure coincidence, then you misunderstand the theory of evolution.
Now you are putting forth the argument from design and/or the first cause.
You are not reasoning, but you're still assuming God's existence.
fastballonly 1 year ago 11
@fastballonly My statements simply said , look at HOW this world works , take for exmple the earth why is it the way and positioned as it is now, it is so precise that one small mistake we either roast or frozen to death and the moon is there to stabilize the earth or it will end up a barren land like Mars. So my point is do u think the earth and the moon positioned itself just right so that there is life on earth? Think about that.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi I think you need to read a good book on the theory of evolution, and a good book on basic astrophysics.
There doesn't have to be a designer, divine will, reason or anything for all this to have come about.
fastballonly 1 year ago 10
@fastballonly And I say why not, d u mean to say the earth purposely positioned itself just right so that life can survive, that by somekind of accident we humans are the way we are, masters of the earth? Not only that but our human form are so different from animals with a supercomputer brain to boot? Your problem is u never question all this and u haven't answer me directly on this problem.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi I do wonder and question "how" did all this come into existence. The universe, the stars, all the species and so on. But I'll never be satisfied with answers backed with revelation, faith, scripture(fiction anyway), myths, or any arbitrarily postulated "God(s)".
There is a scientific explanation for the positioning of planets, complexity of living organisms etc.
For all the inexplicable, the best available answer is "we don't know"
The religiose lack this open-mindedness.
fastballonly 1 year ago 9
@fastballonly Thank u, your answer indirectly mean u do believe in the Creator. Because the question will always be "how can this all be" without the cause.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi What? No, it does not mean that I "indirectly believe in the Creator."
What kind of logic is that?
I don't "believe in" anything. I don't need to.
I believe things because there is evidence for it. Period.
If there isn't evidence, I suspend judgment.
Religion does not have the modesty to admit ignorance. Science does.
fastballonly 1 year ago 8
@fastballonly tell me how can Quran speak about Big bang, expansion of the universe, pulsars, that universe was smoke in the begining, that universe is flat and many other scietific things ??? when no telescopes, microscoes, computers and amplifiers was not invented durig that period in 6th century when quran came from God ???? how can that be, the answer is , God told us that in quran , beacuse it is he who started Big bang.
skakvac 1 year ago
@fastballonly "we don't know" Is that your best theory on life? If that's good enough for u than good luck, but that answer has one major drawback which is what if u are wrong. An atheist once answer back by saying what if he is right.IF he is right and that's a big IF, then, so what, so life ends , that's it. But IF he or u are wrong ,and there is afterall an afterlife, then.... no thing and no one will b able to help u when judgement day comes, please think that over.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi You have serious problems reading English. I said "for the For all the inexplicable, the best available answer is "we don't know".
What on earth is "judgment day"? I told you you are only assuming the existence of what you claim exists, God, afterlife, judgment day and so on.
There is nothing for me to think over here.
You need to learn to reason, not babble nonsense.
fastballonly 1 year ago 10
@fastballonly Judgment day is that day after death, when we all raise up from our graves, when God recreate us , flesh, bone and put soul back in the body again.
That day God shall judge us all for our deeds, does who did more sins than good deeds shall enter hell, does who did more good did than sins shall enter paradise.
If you wonder how shall God recreate us when we became soil and dust, watch video How shall God bring the dead back in my channel section, very good lecture
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Yeah, yeah. Could you stop using "God" as if it were an established fact? You are only preaching to me now, soliciting your religion, giving me a sales call for God. I don't need that stuff.
You have done nothing to prove the existence of God, paradise, and afterlife that you mentioned to explain judgment day. These are all taken from your holy book. It is a fantastic fiction at best.
Any logical explanation at all? Otherwise, I will rest my case.
fastballonly 1 year ago 6
@fastballonly no i can not stop using word God.
if you do not believe in paradise and hell, which are in parallell universes right now, watch what scientist say about parallell universe, they say that parallel universe exists, and that is what islam say also, and in some of these universes they are paradise and hell. watch video on my chennel about parallel universes.
Tell me how can quran talk about big bang, expansion od the universe and other scientific facts which modern science confirm?
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac You can use the word God. Just stop using God as if it were an a priori truth because it is not an established fact.
>"paradise and hell, which are in parallel universes right now"
What is this? It is ridiculously out of proportion, and lamentably delusional. How do you know that?
When scientists speak of parallel universes, they are referring to the multiverse theory. It is a hypothesis at this time and they know it. Only the religiose like you would distort these hypotheses.
fastballonly 1 year ago 7
@fastballonly you did not answer my question, who told people about in 6th century in desert about Big bang, expansion of the universe, pulsars, orbit od the mooon like S-form, that universe is flat, that universe in the begining was smoke and so on, tell me ? WHO?
It is He who created universe, same being revealed the quran to humanity.
God said:
We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth.
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Give me a break. Your questions are so ludicrous that they only warrant ridicule. Are you saying that Quran called some scientific facts, or even predicted some?
You are utterly delusional.
The universe is less than 10,000 years old according to the Quran.
Homo Sapiens were created by Allah, not evolved from apes, according to the Quran.
You are closing your eyes to the falsehoods in your holy book so conveniently.
Now, stop referring to this book of fiction as a reference of facts.
fastballonly 1 year ago 9
@fastballonly dont lie, quran does not say that universe is les than 10 000 years old.
if you dont believe what God say in quran , a say to you just wait until angel of death come to you and then you will see if there is God or not, just wait and see, but it is to late when death comes, you can not regret your sins then, and you will be judged by God on the day of judgment. just wait and see ;)
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Okay, I will take your correction on my understanding of Quran. Tell me then, how old is the universe according to the Quran? Does it say 4.6 billion years old?
Where in the Quran does it say that Homo Sapiens emerged as a result(and process) of evolution by natural selection? How do you justify the infanticide? How do you justify the death penalty for apostasy?
Does the Quran explain what the dark matter and dark energy might be?
What about pre-Big Bang issue? Multiverse theory?
fastballonly 1 year ago 5
@fastballonly quran does not say exact date when the earth was created.
evolution is wrong, that is why quran does not speak about evolution. the infanticide is forbidden in quran.
dark matter and dark energy , maybe there is something about that in quran, God say in quran that something is changing light direction in universe, and we know today that it is dark matter causing that.
multiverse in quran, god said:
[Allah] is the one who created seven superimposed Heavens...
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac If Quran doesn't explain the age of the universe, then it has nothing to say about it. Science shows that the earth is 4.6 billion and the universe is 13 billion years old.
>"Evolution is wrong"
Say what? Go read a book on evolution for yourself and find out it is a fact.
>"We know today that it is dark matter causing that" We don't KNOW that. There's something we can't explain about the universe without the idea of dark matter and dark energy.
What is this 7 here? Why 7? How so?
fastballonly 1 year ago 5
@skakvac Your second paragraph sounds like an intimidation to me. Does Allah always threaten people like that? It is totally rude and arrogant of Him to do so. I have complete freedom to refuse God's influence on my own life.
If Allah's push comes to shove, though highly unlikely that He exists at all, then I will gladly opt to refuse anything he may menace with me.
fastballonly 1 year ago 4
@fastballonly no he does not need always to threaten people but when people behave like small chrildren and they are whiout controll, what do parents do, they thret they children do beat them if they play football in hous and break some windows and other stuff. humans behave some, when they drink alcohol, drugs, and other stuff they do it even when it harms them and other people, that is why God threaten some people.
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac So, Allah has a tendency to threaten people if they don't follow Allah's way. That is such a self-righteous, arrogant, malignant, vindictive and capricious entity. What a child Allah is, if that's what he does.
Human beings behave so childishly when they give up thinking and fall back on faith, whereby they can stop thinking, stop searching for the truth. Faith is highly driven by laziness, thoughtlessness, and blindness and closed-mindedness.
fastballonly 1 year ago 5
@fastballonly yes you have freedom beacuse God gave you that, but you will be responsible for your actions on the judgment day. my friend you will not harm God a little bit if you refuse him and his commandments, you just hamr yourself whitoput knowing it, and you will know it on judgment day.justwhait and see what happens , when death comes to you, and the souls begin to spred trough you body and when angel of death begin to pull you soul out from the body, then you will know if there is God.
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac That is not a fact. You are yet to prove God's existence and yet you keep mentioning God as if it were an established fact. I told you many times.
I am starting to get bored with your babble and preaching of Islam. I am not mentally lazy enough to believe a fantasy as being the truth.
Excuse me when I say this to you, but, "God my ass".
That is all I can say as long as you keep babbling and refuse reasoning.
fastballonly 1 year ago 5
@fastballonly as i said , whait until death comes to you, when soul is going out from the body, then you will know fi there is God or not, but if there is God which you do not believe, it will not be funny for you.
beacuse it would be to late to regret for your sins. if you dont believe me, just be patient and whait to de time of your death, peace my friend.
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Well, there is no sense when death comes to me because I will no longer exist. Someone will bury me or cremate me. That's all. You have not established anything plausible about "God", "soul", "paradise", "hell", "Allah" and so on. The only thing you've done is to use those words as if they were existent.
You have not got anywhere at all.
I don' t care one bit about all these divine threats you make of me in the post-death stage because you don't even know what you are talking about.
fastballonly 1 year ago 6
@fastballonly yes your soul will exists, and after a period when judgment day comes God will recreate our bodies again, from head to toe, with bones and flesh and soul. and then you will raise from your grave. beacuse you dont believe quran, just wait and see for yourself with your own eyes, when you open them again like you wake from your sleep here in this life.
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac More babble. I am actually disappointed that this discussion has come to something like this.
fastballonly 1 year ago 7
@fastballonly
You were blinded by our Maths, my friend. Do you know how long is 10,000 years in the afterlife? Correct me if I'm wrong, but one minute in the afterlife seems like 1000 years on Earth. So, the universe is indeed less than 10,000 years since Allah overseers all of us in the High Heavens. And yes, Homo Sapiens were created by Allah, we (including you) don't evolve from apes. CONTINUE:
detheroc98 6 months ago
CONTINUED.
so, you're saying that apes in the forests and jungles will evolve into human in a few thousand/million years? I find that to be funnier than Chris Rock's stand-up jokes. Science claims that human evolved from apes and another theory assumes human and apes share the same ancestry (didn't know we got the Elder Scrolls for real that we came from the Ayleids). Allah created apes for one main reason and that is, the difference of mind power. Human (high) Apes (very low). Think it over.
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 Your remark is so rubbish it does not deserve a reply. But I will tell you one thing.
You cannot assume the existence of Allah to explain things. You must first prove that it/he exists.
fastballonly 6 months ago
@fastballonly
I can do that... look at your right hand. Inch all your fingers closer together and tell me you'll see Allah's name in Arabic.
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 Suppose I could read Arabic and it says Allah's name if I do that, it still does not prove the existence of Allah, does it?
Your remark was frivolous to begin with and it is not getting any better.
fastballonly 6 months ago
@fastballonly
there's still more... ever heard of 99 beautiful names of Allah? The numbers are marked on your palms... you know what? screw it... you ain't gonna admit that Allah is real even if I bring a photograph of Him to you. Like the Surat al-Baqarah said, "their minds all diseased by their own ignorance" you didn't even realize Allah is the only God ruling the entire Universe.
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 Nonsense. Keep babbling. I rest my case. You need a psychiatrist.
Allah my ass.
fastballonly 6 months ago
@fastballonly
so... chickening out? Allah your ass? I hope you die sooner or later... then you'll know who's spanking your ass... I rest my case... you're a coward... you said nothing more but "Ridiculous and Nonsense"... yet those comments are ridiculous and nonsense...
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 More babble
The question is very simply.
Does Allah(or God) exist?
If one says yes, then he/she must prove it with valid premise(s).
I am saying no one has ever done that without appealing to faith, revelation, or nonsensical claims.
If you stop preaching bullshit and barking like a kid, then I will treat you with more respect.
You are less than a "clot of blood" thus far.
How about that for a starter?
fastballonly 6 months ago 4
@fastballonly
for a while there, I've read none other than insults... if that's your only trait which you've learned in your life then I'm sorry, I give up... there's no use declaring Allah is real to you.. as I've said, even if I bring a photo of Him you'll still wouldn't believe it... and you need a psychiatrist and therapist... 'cause you have a serious anger management and mistreating the others. I'm giving you facts, and you reply with insults... good for you...
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 Photo of Allah would not suffice as evidence of his existence for one thing.
Second, you are the one who told me to look at my right hand for Allah's existence.
You are under a serious psychopathic delusion. I have no need for anger management because I don't get angry with a god that does not exist. Also, I rather enjoy ridiculing a religious crack-pot like yourself.
Come back when you are ready for a truly philosophical debate.
You are not mature yet for that.
fastballonly 6 months ago
@fastballonly
it is you who doesn't mature yet for a truly philosophical debate... as you can see there's a word of Allah in your hand when your fingers are closer together and you're too blind too accept it.
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 Ad hominem does not work on me. So, you might as well give up on that line.
Suppose there is the word Allah on people's hands, so what? It would not prove that Allah exists.
Don't you have any other "hand" to show me?
I think we are done now.
Come back with a proof of Allah's existence, then we can take up(start) this discussion.
fastballonly 6 months ago 2
@fastballonly
Personal attack does not work on me as well... you don't see Yahweh's or Jehovah's name in your hand. So, that's a proof as well.
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 I rest my case.
fastballonly 6 months ago
@fastballonly
go ahead... run like the coward, you are...
detheroc98 6 months ago
@detheroc98 No, I don't know how long 10 thousand years is in the "afterlife" because I don't think it exists. There is certainly no evidence for it.
The way you twist the concept of numbers is amazingly foolish.
fastballonly 6 months ago
@fastballonly Your idealogy of atheism is good news for criminals, why? If I am to embrace your ideas about life that everything comes from nothing and ended to nothingness, then why do good even, I will live my life the way I wanted it doing everything however good or bad without FEAR of being accounted for it.All the crimes that never got solved, got away coz u said we end to nothing, maybe u will say tough luck for the victims? but is that justice? Plse reply your points on this
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Got tangled up with family matters and open school days, busy, busy , busy and practicaly exchausted no time for the internets GWB would say
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Atheism is not an "ideology", first of all. It is a mindset that does not resort to believing anything without evidence. In the context of the origin of life and origin of the universe, atheism is the most rational conclusion one comes to when basing his beliefs on evidence. No religion has ever presented valid proof or sound argument for God's existence.
If you are suggesting that deviation from religion towards atheism is conducive to amorality, it is nonsense. To be Cont'd...
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly Really? Atheism the most rational? If you are right then why is it that most people rejected atheism. Your main arguments that because we can't see God,He don't exist. That sort of thinking is arrogant in a sense. Verily you will see God but not in this lifetime. God doesn't have to be seen to prove He exist, the existence of this planet is enough to prove that.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi How do you know that "most people rejected" atheism?
>God doesn't have to be seen to prove He exist, the existence of this planet is enough to prove that.
This is a famous remark uttered by theists. You have not explained anything. You might as well say "Let's assume God's existence to begin with.". It is a cop-out non-explanation.
Why is the existence of this planet the proof of God's existence?
How do you draw that logic?
fastballonly 1 year ago 6
@fastballonly I am really trying to make it as simple as possible. Other than the existence of this planet I agree I cannot give you anything more except that you try to read the Quran and hope that someway I can get you to understand . But I'll give you my reason for rejecting atheism, if I am an atheist that believe this world exist by coincidence that someway life evolved as it is now without cause or reason, then for me even existence will be meaningless
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi I have read the Quran and would like to reread it, simply because it is a precious literature that mankind has made. There is zero chance that I will have faith in any religion. That is a certainty because I don't like to "believe in" anything. I would like to insist on evidence and accept facts and only facts.
The universe is not based on coincidence as you put it. There is the random side and there is the non-random side to it.
As for meaning, there doesn't have to be one.
fastballonly 1 year ago 4
@fastballonly "There is zero chance that I will have faith" We Muslims believed that God has the right to choose whom He wills to be among the believers. So never say never, you never know what will happen in the future, I do hope that you will realize it one day that I am right and you are not
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Well, if the teachings of Islam turn out to be true, meaning proven as scientific fact, then I will actually be the first to admit it.
Scientists would simply accept Islam as the truth and move on from there.
It's that simple. The key is PROOF.
Islam or Christianity or any other religion, have never been able to prove its claims as being true.
You are on the "wrong" side unless it is proven.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly of course proof, islam was proven by modern science long time ago
in quran we can read about Big bang, expanding universe and other scientific facts, wich modern science confirm, and not only that, even westen scientist who studied confirmed that quran must come from God.
i can post to you these scientific verses from the quran if you wish.if you want the proof.
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Come on, gimme a break. If Islam was proven by modern science, then it would have incited a pandemonium among scientists. Why? Because then we would be looking at a whole new theory of almost everything. How does the Quran explain the big bang? Expanding universe? How do you explain the theory of evolution? You said yourself that evolution is a lie. But it is a fact. You are so full of shit.
How did it prove that 9.11 terrorists went to a martyr's heaven and got 72 virgins?
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly Yes, and many university prefesors, doctors, scientists and christian priest have already converted to islam.
How does the Quran explain the big bang?
Lika this:
21:30- Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, which We then split, and from water We made all living things? Will they not believe even then?
Quran
Expanding universe?
Like this
51:47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. Quran
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Those professors, doctors, scientists stopped being rational the moment they converted to Islam. As for the Christian priest, he only changed his favorite fairy tale from the Bible to Quran.
How do you conclude that these two verses are proofs for the Big-bang and expanding universe?!
It says nothing about the scientific facts. Sound logic is not about forcibly matching a verse to a scientific theory. What you are doing is childish.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly How do you explain the theory of evolution?
if you tell me how can someone give somthing that he does not already have, in this case
How can nature/evolution give human a brain and inteligence but nature itself does not have brain nor inteligence ?? evolution is a lie, beacuse, there is already skeleton of these animals that we have today which lived milion years ago, and they never evolved.
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac I told you to read a good book on the theory of evolution. Perhaps visit a large museum and see the skeletons yourself. Homo Sapiens are evolved apes. And apes, along with all other species can be traced back to the ocean, then back to bacteria, then untimately stardust and gas.
There is evolution written all over the earth and its species.
You are simply ignorant of science.
fastballonly 1 year ago 2
@fastballonly why do you insult yourself, you call yourself an animal, beacuse you believe in evolution and you evolved from apes. what if somebody came to to in the city and start with, "hello animal, how are you" how would you feel then ???
tell me something, How can nature/evolution give human a brain and inteligence but nature itself does not have brain nor inteligence ??
if you dont believe us, all i can say wait until the angel od death comes, then you will know if there is God
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac I don't see how it is an insult for one to know that he is an animal. For we Homo Sapiens are animals, which evolved from apes. Rather, I think it is an insult for human intelligence for religion to teach people to refuse to accept the scientific truth available to us. Mankind does not come from the divine, not from the beyond. We emerged as a result of evolution.
I wouldn't feel insulted by being addressed as "animals" at all.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@skakvac To answer your question, "give" is not the appropriate word in this context. Rather, brain emerged in the course of evolution. It is a step by step increment, a gradual process. It is not something given abruptly by an entity or nature. We simply emerged as a result of evolution.
You can forget about the angels and God because you don't know what you are talking about.
It is all fairy tale and I think it's frivolous to have a religious faith in anything.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly you must be joking :) "brain emerged in the course of evolution".
and you tell me aout fairy tale , very nice.
it is obvious that we do not agree, it is ok for you to believe that you are an animal and your ancestors were animals. if you come from apes, i dont ;)
you evolved from apes i came from Adam and Eve ;)
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac I don't think it is possible to carry an intelligible conversation with any longer. It is not a matter of agreement. This is not politics. It is about science.
The theory of evolution is an established fact. You don't agree with it or disagree with it. It is a fact.
Of course you have the right to remain in the confines of religious ignorance and keep thinking that you don't come from apes.
It is up to you, though a serious waste of intelligence.
I am done with you.
fastballonly 1 year ago 3
@skakvac Leave him Bro he doesn't get it
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Haha. No, it is you and skakvac who won't get it. But I did enjoy the exchange....well...for a while.
Take it easy.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly In time you will see, pray you are ready for it
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@skakvac
Noone wants you to believe in evolution just because someone tells you to. That would be ignorant.
Study the facts for yourself. Study genetics, study mutations and study historic fossils so that you KNOW for yourself that evolution is a fact.
Arguing against something that you dont even know anything about is plain ignorant and bordering on stupidity.
horseburger 1 year ago
@skakvac Brain was not just given at some point out of nothing.
Evolution is a slow, graduate process. It takes one to have a broader perspective of thinking in terms of hundreds of million years, instead of the time span described in the holy books, which is insignificantly small.
Life on earth emerged as bacteria about 3.8 billion years ago, source of which can be traced to what made up the planet earth---gas and stardust.
Cont.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@skakvac continued...
And in 4.6 billion years in the earth's history life evolved from single-celled organism to multi-celled organism. And at one point life culminated in this fascinatingly differentiated, complex system which we call the human brain. Brain capable of understanding the very process it has walked, all the way back to the Big bang. And life is still evolving.
This fact is far more fascinating than the poverty-stricken religious imagination.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly You haven't even answered even one of my questions about life other than demanding about proof this and proof that. You chose to follow blindly your theory of evolution which has never been proven because until now there is no evidence of missing links. I on the other hand have studied both the Quran and the Bible enough to make my choice. Atheism is not even in consideration because it's too arrogant for us to believe our existence is purely coincidental.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Again, you are exposing your ignorance. Go read a book on evolution. I have nothing else to say about this to someone who claims there is no evidence for evolution. You are simply ignorant.
Studied Quran and the Bible? So what? I have seen Batman and Lion King, too. Reading fictions can be entertaining and these books have value as literature, but it does not help you gain scientific knowledge.
And I told you evolution is not based solely on coincidence.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly Watch the videos carefully without prejudice and you'll see why I chose Islam. God promised to protect the Quran and the Quran remains unchanged since its very first revelation. Quran is never a book of science yet the verses never contradict each other and the teachings remained relevant even today. Other than that Islam is the only religions that prohibits alcohol or drugs consumption. We challenge you to point one mistake in the Quran if u can
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi Why you chose Islam is like any other believers. Because you are irrational. Because you want to everything to have an explanation without an effort to understand it properly. Because you want easy pseudo-answers so that you don't have to think for yourself. Perpaps it was your religion in the upbringing and you haven't grown out of it.
As for alcohol and drugs, it is ridiculous and irrelevant.
One misttake in the Quran?
Easy. It does not prove anything it says.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly All u ever say is irrational this irrational that, u never even answer my arguments but make up more excuses. NO wonder you are getting nowhere . Unlike u we chose to believe that there is life and judgement for all our deeds here in this life. Your idea of doing nothing but waiting for death is totally irrational , while u wait here waiting for your PROOF we the Muslims have moved on. Climb down your ego mountain and follow us
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@fastballonly "you want everything to have an explanation without an effort to understand it properly" whatever do u mean by that, you did the same thing yourself , your theory of evolution has no CONCRETE evidence yet u followed it blindly. You want to believe in God because I know deep down inside u really want to, but u WANT God to come down and get you like a spoiled baby. You forget we are just His creations and verily we are bound to His Grace and Mercy. Bust that ego
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@fastballonly Cont. to be an atheist means you have to lucky lots of time in terms of survival and health. I mean if i were to be infected with an incurable desease for life then what is the meaning of life for me anymore coz u can't give me hope, whatever words of consolation can u offer me is meaningless coz u said there's nothing when we died, I might as well commit euthanasia right then and there and get it over with
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi What makes you think that there is meaning for life, universe, nature, the planet? Did you ever think that this question may be unnecessary and irrelevant?
"What is the color of love" may mean something to a poet, but not to a scientist.
By the same token, "What is the Grand Canyon for?" or "What is the purpose of the ocean?" or "What is the meaning of the Sun?" are silly questions that should not even be put.
I am not convinced that anything natural has a meaning at all.
fastballonly 1 year ago 4
@fastballonly Without the ocean and the sun there will be no life , like I said learn how our planet works. Everything is interconnected , the sun, the moon, the ocean evrything, except us humans. The question is how . I take it u mean the world naturally evolved,meaning the earth the moon the sun willed themselves to co exist together because without even one life will not survive, or do u mean LUCKILY they are there at the right time and place and voila! life exist, as simple as that?
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi It is understandable that one fears death when he is told that is the end of the game. But the game while it lasts is a beautiful thing. A common immediate reaction to the end of life is to believe in an afterlife. That somehow you'll get another one. But reality or truth, no matter how bleak is real and true.
I just think that it should be accepted. Then, one can start to appreciate this life, the only life we get and live it fully now here on earth.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly Cont. to believe in atheist means to do injustice to victims of this world, maybe u didn't notice but for some this is a hell hole for them. I ask u again where is justice for all the the victims of violence that were committed and never got punished. Where is judgement on these aggressors , is dying enough for them , well everybody dies , i dont see these as justice done. Please explain your stand point on this
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi If you are suggesting that we get our morals from scripture, that is nonsense. To the extent that we get our morals from a holy book, you cherry-pick. You can find some verses that condemn slavery, and other verses condone slavery for example. Pick a verse that subjugates women, and a verse that says all humans are equal.
Much of human atorocities were conducted in the name of God, by picking and choosing remarks in the holy book to justify brutal and depraved behavior.
Continued..
fastballonly 1 year ago
@fastballonly Maybe you haven't seen what Stalin did to his people when he rose to power. If I remember correctly he is an atheist and called his ideology Communism. Because most of them want out , he had to put fences around his people and orders shoot on sight for deserters. Why don't u go and live there if you love atheism so much.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi So what? Stalin was driven by crackpot Marxism. His atrocities were not committed because of atheism if that's what you're suggesting. Ideologies like communism can very well lead to brutality in a way similar to religion. People have done some brutal things throughout human history because of religion. Stalin's brutal acts were committed because of his crackpot Marxism, not by atheism.
fastballonly 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi In modern days we have abolished slavery, given equal rights to women and gays, emancipated black people, learned to be nice to animals etc.
These were accomplished not by religion but by rational, secular, sober discussions.
The criterion by which we determine what is moral is available to all, whether we are religious or not.
So, we don't get our morals from the Quran or the Bible. But humans have grown out of it. Well, some of us anyway.
fastballonly 1 year ago 2
@fastballonly I can't help but laugh at your suggestion that we the accomplishment is done without a consideration of faith in God. If u ever go to one of these forums you'll find that 90% are God oriented people.
zaicesaridi 1 year ago
@zaicesaridi At first I thought your comment and question was a good one, so I treated it with respect and replied accordingly. Now I am dismayed at how silly your second comment is.
> If u ever go to one of these forums you'll find that 90% are God oriented people.
What has this got to do with anything? Did you read my comments at all? I posted three of them in response to your previous comment. I feel I did all of that in vain. A total waste of time.
fastballonly 1 year ago
skakvac Pasting your reply below. It's your video, so feel free to erase it. That would describe your mentality though.
>"and who told you that evolution is the absolut truth, it is jus a theory, which is wrong"
There are 2 senses to the word "theory", One is a principle or a fact. Sense two is hypothesis, a speculation. The theory of evolution is a proven fact. Therefore it is sense one. Allah is a hypothesis, therefore it is sense 2.
BIG difference that is.
fastballonly 1 year ago 19
@fastballonly i ahve posted two website which debunk evolution, evolution is a big lie, thgat is what it is, a BIG LIE. just read those websites and you will also know it
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac They do not debunk evolution, but those videos are nothing more than propaganda. Why don't you pick a few biologists and tell them "theory of evolution is a big lie" and see what happens?
You will have to bring something better than these idiotic videos.
fastballonly 1 year ago 12
@fastballonly if you are so good in evolution tell me why we have found
skeleton of animals that looks like skeleton of animals we see today, same skeleton fosils milion years old and modern humans ,same, no diferences. why did not those animals evolved if you are so smart ???? and why we do not find any transitional form of animals ???
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac You have displayed your ignorance here.
I suggest that you go to a museum and see the fossils and evolutionary evidence with your own eyes.
There are evidence in abundance, fossils of even the transitional life forms as well.
Please do let me know what you think after you go to a museum.
I would like to hear your thoughts then.
fastballonly 1 year ago 10
@fastballonly if i go to museum i will only find dinosaur skeleton , but no transitional form skeleton
skakvac 1 year ago
@skakvac Either you went to a small museum, or you were not looking carefully. I suggest that you go again.
fastballonly 1 year ago 8
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@skakvac Evolution isn't a lie. You should pull your head out of your ass.
limbs32 1 year ago 5
@fastballonly hey no debate or argument but i think u should see this video regarding science dr zakir naik quran and modern science on youtube,all the scientific facts in quran centuries before they were discovered by science. also did you know charles darwin said in a letter to his friend,"i do not believe in evolution as i have no evidence i only use it because it helps me in classification"(i cnt remember if he says classification or sumthn els but yh tel me wat u think of tht vid. peace
bilal1jordon 1 year ago