Here's a bit of trivia: The tenth doctor's last words was supposed to be "Don't forget me." The Writer's Tale: The Final Chapter has Davies reaffirm a statement made soon after Tennant joined the series that his final words, "I don't want to go", were written long before Tennant's final regular episode was composed. If "don't forget me" were the tenth doctor's final words instead of "I don't want to go", it would have been more appropriate.
@Jezthesiren -If the Doctor had said, "Don't forget me." He would have been talking to the audience and breaking the fourth wall in film making. So...close and I guess we'll have to live with "I Don't Want to Go."
@Jezthesiren It's just that we don't get half the shows that air over there, or hulu.com to check them out anyway. Why can't we just keep our own thing :<
@StrongIntelligent I can sympathize. I wish that there was more open sharing in programming internationally, especially now that internet access and streaming is so prevalent. Most people I know in the US don't have a clue about shows made outside of the US, unless it's a well-known and dubbed anime.
@Jezthesiren they put i dontwant to go because David really didnt want to go but did because he didnt want to see them throwing him out the door its in the confidentals
@StrongIntelligent I love this show, best damn fucking Sci Fi I've seen, really cool Ideas that are just impossible, enjoy your immature hate for Americans for random ass reasons.
There's a very simple answer to this argument. William Hartnell's Doctor is the same man as Matt Smith's Doctor. William Hartnell's Doctor is also the same man as David Tennant's Doctor. Therefore David Tennant's Doctor is the same man as Matt Smith's Doctor. Therefore, he didn't actually "go" anywhere. What's the freaking point of the process of regeneration if it's a death anyway?
The emotional jabs are a problem, on terms of both the show and the fan base, because of the so called 'fans' reactions to them, they've had a knock on effect on anything succeeding it, The Doctor doesn't change his personality, different aspects are shown in each rather than completely new, he's supposed to be a different version of the same character, meaning the outcome must always remain the same, every classic Doctor with the exception of Troughton (only because it was forces rather...
@Timelord6661..than implemented) accepted the regeneration in the same way Nine did, the Doctor is regardless to incarnation standing for the same morals and is doing the same thing and committing the same actions he always has, if the personality did change with every regeneration, then he wouldn't be doing the same thing he has always done, and wouldn't be the Doctor any more, making Tennant's line such a jab has made the transition SO much worse than a regeneration that was going to be bad...
@Timelord6661...enough as it is, Welshy makes the point that RTD did do more harm than good with it, the very idea that the audience were expected to not want him to leave is an issue, this to me kind of makes your point redundant, even you point out that the change would have, no matter who replaced Tennant, had repercussions, but instead of handling it with a little more care and sensitivity like any rational human would, (which would have softened the blow), but it wasn't, hence there is...
@Timelord6661 ...still Smith hate two years after this event, it has divided a fan base, separating the true fans of the series to the Tennant/ RTD fans who have deluded themselves in thinking they are fans of the show in spite of hating the very element that runs the show, change, because it doesn't have their eye candy any more.
@Timelord6661 I don't really see any redundancy in my point, though. Being sad to see him go doesn't mean you'll automatically hate the next guy - as I was sad to see Tennant go, but I love Smith's performance. The Smith hate started well before that line ever aired, so it's not like it's the reason people didn't accept him. I think they certainly could have written his exit differently (like not moping around so much), but I don't think it's as damning as Welshy made it out to be. That's all.
@Jezthesiren The redundancy lies in the perception of the Doctor, and how each incarnation is a different personality, that's not true, the Doctor is one character with a huge spectrum of different elements and character traits, each regeneration shifts these character traits so elements to his incarnation are reshuffled into some elements are highlighted more than others, he's essentially the same character, just a different version, like the colour of a rainbow, going one direction, just the..
@Jezthesiren ..road it different, meaning each incarnation must do the same thing that abides by that one core character, just in a different way, because yourself and a lot of people have the brain and open mindedness to accept the new Doctor, doesn't mean everyone does, emotional jabs stint progress in the show, there is a reason why the classic series underplayed the emotional moments, you cared for the character without being given a fan fair on exit, it therefore made it easier for the...
@Jezthesiren....average viewer to handle when they left, with a series that forever changes, emotional jabs can kill a series that depends on change, overplaying it almost created a want/confirmation that the people who already hated him to want to hate him further,there's a problem when people come into a Doctor Who series wanting to hate it, it stints progression of a show that keeps going through change to survive, meaning if they got someone half as good as Smith, the show would be dead.
Yes, 10 viewed regeneration as death, and spent EOT avoiding it. We even see his relief when he finds out he survived! Four knocks and a monologue later, he comments that he’s “been alive for too long.” Wilf pleads for him to go, but 10 is steady/determined and says, “It’s my honor.” That’s growth. In THIS moment he acknowledged it was his time, accepted his regeneration, and willingly sacrificed his life for a friend. 20 min later he says, ”I don’t wanna go.” That’s just a slap in the face.
@Zarri I see the potential for conflict in those two moments (expressing a willingness to move on vs. a clear fear/unwillingness), but I can't quite understand why it's a "slap in the face". I guess I simply don't see it as completely contradictory for someone to both acknowledge that it's their time to move on and yet still be fearful/mournful of the fact that the time has come to end it.
@Jezthesiren It’s a slap in the face to the doctor as well as to the person he saved. He wasn’t just verbally acknowledging that it was his time to go, he actively faced the task with dignity and honor for Wilfred. After 9 sacrificed himself for Rose, he didn’t complain about it because he wanted to save her. 20 min. after saving Wilf, 10 was all, “I don’t want to go.” 10 had a breakthrough of emotional and mental growth at the gas chamber and RTD basically “took it back.”
David's last words should have been, "Atleast I didn't trip on a brick-!" BAM! Regenerates. I was fine with "I don't wanna go" because I was (past tense) under the impression that 10th was worried about the regeneration limit. Made sense with Journey's End and the whole meta-crisis thing. Then again, EOT really should have been called, "3 Hours of Ten(ant) Being Sad".
@dracowheelz5 Yeah. In my first watch through of EOT, it didn't bother me much because I was emotionally right there with him - I didn't want to see him go, so watching him be a bit of an emo kid was tolerable. It doesn't rewatch well, though. Particularly since I no longer have any reservations about Matt Smith. If I were writing it, I would have had David go out with a bang, but I understand the direction they decided to take it.
@Jezthesiren Oh if it were me (writing) I'd totally make him go out with a grin and just roar out "Allons-y!" Then again I'd make the first half about the Wilfred Mott, life and death, the Master with the Doctor smack dab in the middle of it; as opposed to the Freudian, Rich family [seriously they only had no impact, and were just there to add on 10 mins]. That being said, Davies heart tug really did let me tear up when watching the 2- parter and emotionally went with it.
personally i think Russel T Davies was using the Doctor as a mouthpiece for getting kicked off or leaving. In any case this is a moment where I think the writer is talking not the character.
You do bring up some very good points. I still do kind of agree with Welshy. One reason I hate his final words being what they were is because you figure this man who is so well loved would go out on a high note. Like I wish his final words were Allonsy. For me him saying I don't wanna go came off as him being wimpy there is nothing wrong with having a more emotion Doctor but I felt like that line was very misplaced. You did bring up very good points but I still ultimately agree with Welshy.
@johnhamilton08 Having had this discussion simmer a little more in my brain, I have come a little closer to agreeing with Welshy - I would have liked a happier going out, but I don't dislike the ending that happened. I also don't feel that it was inappropriate for the character. So in some ways, I agree with him, but for different reasons.
I do agree with Welshy, but you do make some very good points here. What i will say though, is that 10th didn't want to die, which was fine and i could understand, but when he wakes up in the glass chamber then he knows that he will live but he'll change. He doesn't accept his fate and whines to the very end. David was brilliant, but RTD didn't always write his Doctor in the best way. The point of regeneration is supposed to be emotional but you cant sabotage the next doctor because thats unfair
@MrTARDISreviews Yeah which makes the "I don't want to go" line pretty pointless more than anything. It just tells us what we've already known ever since Waters of Mars (or even Journey's End). And in all that time there's been no development for him. It fits in with his character but it would have been nice to see him come to turns with it after expecting it for so long. Personally I would've liked his last words to be; "Allons-y". ^_^
@RoseNoir90 For some reason i always felt that his last lines being something like "I'm okay with this" (not those exact words) then a hopeful smile and the massive regeneration. That would have been hugely triumphment and optimistic =D
It's interesting that you point out how goofy, silly and fun Tennant's Doctor was and how that fitted into his way of coping with his "death". The only other Doctor who went out crying that he didn't want to regenerate? Patrick Troughtan. While he wasn't as energetic as Tennant, he was kind of fun in a bumbling scientist sort of way. Though it could just be more to do with how unfair the Time Lords were being, it's something to remember when people think DT was the first to go out this way.
I believe the same way you do. I loved tennant's doctor and him saying good bye was a perfect way to end his time on the show. And you are right about matt smith having to fill tennant's shoes. I don't think there will ever be another person that could do the job as wonderfully as tennant did. Keep up the arguement. You tell the points of the doctor's charater that no else seems to understand. If you ever need help on supporting an arguement i can help. Once again wonderful job. Keep it up!
Oh wow. I just stumbled across this video. Really great points you made here. I can understand your side easily. Though, I am still not a Doctor Who fan, so I cant side with you or Welshy (Though I do think he has some good points as well.)
@AnthonysBlog Yeah, I honestly agree with Welshy on some points - in talking with him further, I think it boils down to citing different reasons for not liking the exit David Tennant took from the series. He has a problem specifically with his final words, while my problems lie more in the way his character kind of went downhill after the end of season 4. Thanks for the comment, though. I like hearing feedback.
Sorry to keep going on, but another thing to point out why those last words of Ten were honest because he was alone. In the end of Stolen Earth, when he is about to regenerate, his last words are "I'm sorry its too late, I'm regenerating" ...no regrets or even sadness, just the pain he is feeling from being shot, in fact he makes a joke earlier with Rose "long time no see". So if in the EOT he had someone with him, chances are those would have not been his last words.
@DWaDDLJ No worries for going on at length. I like the conversations this video has started on the few sites I've linked it to. You bring up some really interesting points. I like to look at Doctors 9 and on both within the context of the previous Doctors and outside of them - almost like two separate interpretations. While the re-boot is true to the previous incarnations in many ways, it is also it's own entity and has it's own cannon. Thanks for the comments!
even Eleven made a huge effort to not let go of this world in the Big Bang, so much so that he put words into Amy's head so she would be able to bring him back. In short none of the Doctor want to really let go, even Four was sad, up to the point of his regen when he found out he will regenerate from the Watcher, but smiled for his companions. So basically "I don't want to go!" are honest words of every Doctor.
he (the second Doctor) didn't want to change, his final words were "no no no". On top of this Ten had a year (or maybe more if there were offscrean adventures) of being told he was going to die, so wasn't even sure if he will regenerate, so his mindset was completly dark, and it made him do things that he regreted and made up for by the time he was going to regenerate, so not wanting to go was a plea for wanting a second chance....even
I can see your points, and I too agree that 10's last words were a perfect fit for his character, but not for the same reason as yours. My view is simple, the Doctor, no matter what regen, he doesn't want to go, but the main reason he has never openly admitted it before is becuase he doesn't always regenerate alone, like he did here, so he was honest, no need to pretend to bebrave for a companion. the Second Doctor also put up a little word fight when the Time Lords forced a regen on him, he
Here's a bit of trivia: The tenth doctor's last words was supposed to be "Don't forget me." The Writer's Tale: The Final Chapter has Davies reaffirm a statement made soon after Tennant joined the series that his final words, "I don't want to go", were written long before Tennant's final regular episode was composed. If "don't forget me" were the tenth doctor's final words instead of "I don't want to go", it would have been more appropriate.
pateganulo 1 month ago
@pateganulo I can completely agree with that. Don't forget me would have been a much better choice.
Jezthesiren 1 month ago
@Jezthesiren -If the Doctor had said, "Don't forget me." He would have been talking to the audience and breaking the fourth wall in film making. So...close and I guess we'll have to live with "I Don't Want to Go."
stlouisphile 4 weeks ago
Americans shouldn't be allowed to watch this show in my opinion.
StrongIntelligent 3 months ago
@StrongIntelligent Glad you're not the BBC. :)
Jezthesiren 3 months ago
@Jezthesiren It's just that we don't get half the shows that air over there, or hulu.com to check them out anyway. Why can't we just keep our own thing :<
StrongIntelligent 3 months ago
@StrongIntelligent I can sympathize. I wish that there was more open sharing in programming internationally, especially now that internet access and streaming is so prevalent. Most people I know in the US don't have a clue about shows made outside of the US, unless it's a well-known and dubbed anime.
Jezthesiren 3 months ago
@Jezthesiren they put i dontwant to go because David really didnt want to go but did because he didnt want to see them throwing him out the door its in the confidentals
Korestaion 1 month ago
@StrongIntelligent I love this show, best damn fucking Sci Fi I've seen, really cool Ideas that are just impossible, enjoy your immature hate for Americans for random ass reasons.
SlamageEntertainment 1 month ago
@SlamageEntertainment I don't hate Americans, I just wish they'd stay off atleast one of our own things.
StrongIntelligent 1 month ago
There's a very simple answer to this argument. William Hartnell's Doctor is the same man as Matt Smith's Doctor. William Hartnell's Doctor is also the same man as David Tennant's Doctor. Therefore David Tennant's Doctor is the same man as Matt Smith's Doctor. Therefore, he didn't actually "go" anywhere. What's the freaking point of the process of regeneration if it's a death anyway?
jedr1989 3 months ago
The emotional jabs are a problem, on terms of both the show and the fan base, because of the so called 'fans' reactions to them, they've had a knock on effect on anything succeeding it, The Doctor doesn't change his personality, different aspects are shown in each rather than completely new, he's supposed to be a different version of the same character, meaning the outcome must always remain the same, every classic Doctor with the exception of Troughton (only because it was forces rather...
Timelord6661 5 months ago
@Timelord6661..than implemented) accepted the regeneration in the same way Nine did, the Doctor is regardless to incarnation standing for the same morals and is doing the same thing and committing the same actions he always has, if the personality did change with every regeneration, then he wouldn't be doing the same thing he has always done, and wouldn't be the Doctor any more, making Tennant's line such a jab has made the transition SO much worse than a regeneration that was going to be bad...
Timelord6661 5 months ago
@Timelord6661...enough as it is, Welshy makes the point that RTD did do more harm than good with it, the very idea that the audience were expected to not want him to leave is an issue, this to me kind of makes your point redundant, even you point out that the change would have, no matter who replaced Tennant, had repercussions, but instead of handling it with a little more care and sensitivity like any rational human would, (which would have softened the blow), but it wasn't, hence there is...
Timelord6661 5 months ago
@Timelord6661 ...still Smith hate two years after this event, it has divided a fan base, separating the true fans of the series to the Tennant/ RTD fans who have deluded themselves in thinking they are fans of the show in spite of hating the very element that runs the show, change, because it doesn't have their eye candy any more.
Timelord6661 5 months ago
@Timelord6661 I don't really see any redundancy in my point, though. Being sad to see him go doesn't mean you'll automatically hate the next guy - as I was sad to see Tennant go, but I love Smith's performance. The Smith hate started well before that line ever aired, so it's not like it's the reason people didn't accept him. I think they certainly could have written his exit differently (like not moping around so much), but I don't think it's as damning as Welshy made it out to be. That's all.
Jezthesiren 5 months ago
@Jezthesiren The redundancy lies in the perception of the Doctor, and how each incarnation is a different personality, that's not true, the Doctor is one character with a huge spectrum of different elements and character traits, each regeneration shifts these character traits so elements to his incarnation are reshuffled into some elements are highlighted more than others, he's essentially the same character, just a different version, like the colour of a rainbow, going one direction, just the..
Timelord6661 5 months ago
@Jezthesiren ..road it different, meaning each incarnation must do the same thing that abides by that one core character, just in a different way, because yourself and a lot of people have the brain and open mindedness to accept the new Doctor, doesn't mean everyone does, emotional jabs stint progress in the show, there is a reason why the classic series underplayed the emotional moments, you cared for the character without being given a fan fair on exit, it therefore made it easier for the...
Timelord6661 5 months ago
@Jezthesiren....average viewer to handle when they left, with a series that forever changes, emotional jabs can kill a series that depends on change, overplaying it almost created a want/confirmation that the people who already hated him to want to hate him further,there's a problem when people come into a Doctor Who series wanting to hate it, it stints progression of a show that keeps going through change to survive, meaning if they got someone half as good as Smith, the show would be dead.
Timelord6661 5 months ago
I do agree that Welshy is an ass.
ZeSadPanda 6 months ago
Yes, 10 viewed regeneration as death, and spent EOT avoiding it. We even see his relief when he finds out he survived! Four knocks and a monologue later, he comments that he’s “been alive for too long.” Wilf pleads for him to go, but 10 is steady/determined and says, “It’s my honor.” That’s growth. In THIS moment he acknowledged it was his time, accepted his regeneration, and willingly sacrificed his life for a friend. 20 min later he says, ”I don’t wanna go.” That’s just a slap in the face.
Zarri 8 months ago
@Zarri I see the potential for conflict in those two moments (expressing a willingness to move on vs. a clear fear/unwillingness), but I can't quite understand why it's a "slap in the face". I guess I simply don't see it as completely contradictory for someone to both acknowledge that it's their time to move on and yet still be fearful/mournful of the fact that the time has come to end it.
Jezthesiren 8 months ago
@Jezthesiren It’s a slap in the face to the doctor as well as to the person he saved. He wasn’t just verbally acknowledging that it was his time to go, he actively faced the task with dignity and honor for Wilfred. After 9 sacrificed himself for Rose, he didn’t complain about it because he wanted to save her. 20 min. after saving Wilf, 10 was all, “I don’t want to go.” 10 had a breakthrough of emotional and mental growth at the gas chamber and RTD basically “took it back.”
Zarri 8 months ago
David's last words should have been, "Atleast I didn't trip on a brick-!" BAM! Regenerates. I was fine with "I don't wanna go" because I was (past tense) under the impression that 10th was worried about the regeneration limit. Made sense with Journey's End and the whole meta-crisis thing. Then again, EOT really should have been called, "3 Hours of Ten(ant) Being Sad".
dracowheelz5 9 months ago
@dracowheelz5 Yeah. In my first watch through of EOT, it didn't bother me much because I was emotionally right there with him - I didn't want to see him go, so watching him be a bit of an emo kid was tolerable. It doesn't rewatch well, though. Particularly since I no longer have any reservations about Matt Smith. If I were writing it, I would have had David go out with a bang, but I understand the direction they decided to take it.
Jezthesiren 9 months ago
@Jezthesiren Oh if it were me (writing) I'd totally make him go out with a grin and just roar out "Allons-y!" Then again I'd make the first half about the Wilfred Mott, life and death, the Master with the Doctor smack dab in the middle of it; as opposed to the Freudian, Rich family [seriously they only had no impact, and were just there to add on 10 mins]. That being said, Davies heart tug really did let me tear up when watching the 2- parter and emotionally went with it.
dracowheelz5 9 months ago
personally i think Russel T Davies was using the Doctor as a mouthpiece for getting kicked off or leaving. In any case this is a moment where I think the writer is talking not the character.
IloveOtherPplsMsry 9 months ago
You do bring up some very good points. I still do kind of agree with Welshy. One reason I hate his final words being what they were is because you figure this man who is so well loved would go out on a high note. Like I wish his final words were Allonsy. For me him saying I don't wanna go came off as him being wimpy there is nothing wrong with having a more emotion Doctor but I felt like that line was very misplaced. You did bring up very good points but I still ultimately agree with Welshy.
johnhamilton08 9 months ago
@johnhamilton08 Having had this discussion simmer a little more in my brain, I have come a little closer to agreeing with Welshy - I would have liked a happier going out, but I don't dislike the ending that happened. I also don't feel that it was inappropriate for the character. So in some ways, I agree with him, but for different reasons.
Jezthesiren 9 months ago
@Jezthesiren okay sorry if i sounded repetitive to you.
johnhamilton08 9 months ago
I do agree with Welshy, but you do make some very good points here. What i will say though, is that 10th didn't want to die, which was fine and i could understand, but when he wakes up in the glass chamber then he knows that he will live but he'll change. He doesn't accept his fate and whines to the very end. David was brilliant, but RTD didn't always write his Doctor in the best way. The point of regeneration is supposed to be emotional but you cant sabotage the next doctor because thats unfair
MrTARDISreviews 1 year ago
@MrTARDISreviews Yeah which makes the "I don't want to go" line pretty pointless more than anything. It just tells us what we've already known ever since Waters of Mars (or even Journey's End). And in all that time there's been no development for him. It fits in with his character but it would have been nice to see him come to turns with it after expecting it for so long. Personally I would've liked his last words to be; "Allons-y". ^_^
RoseNoir90 1 year ago
@RoseNoir90 For some reason i always felt that his last lines being something like "I'm okay with this" (not those exact words) then a hopeful smile and the massive regeneration. That would have been hugely triumphment and optimistic =D
MrTARDISreviews 1 year ago
@MrTARDISreviews Or how about; "Carrot sticks, Mel?!"
Too far? XD
RoseNoir90 1 year ago
@RoseNoir90 "Carrot Juice? *Sigh* Carrot juice carrot juice carrot juice...."
MrTARDISreviews 1 year ago
@MrTARDISreviews Oh well, we can hope for Matt Smith's last words. "Fish custard, Pond?"
RoseNoir90 1 year ago
It's interesting that you point out how goofy, silly and fun Tennant's Doctor was and how that fitted into his way of coping with his "death". The only other Doctor who went out crying that he didn't want to regenerate? Patrick Troughtan. While he wasn't as energetic as Tennant, he was kind of fun in a bumbling scientist sort of way. Though it could just be more to do with how unfair the Time Lords were being, it's something to remember when people think DT was the first to go out this way.
RoseNoir90 1 year ago
I believe the same way you do. I loved tennant's doctor and him saying good bye was a perfect way to end his time on the show. And you are right about matt smith having to fill tennant's shoes. I don't think there will ever be another person that could do the job as wonderfully as tennant did. Keep up the arguement. You tell the points of the doctor's charater that no else seems to understand. If you ever need help on supporting an arguement i can help. Once again wonderful job. Keep it up!
ReyAnn3 1 year ago
Oh wow. I just stumbled across this video. Really great points you made here. I can understand your side easily. Though, I am still not a Doctor Who fan, so I cant side with you or Welshy (Though I do think he has some good points as well.)
AnthonysBlog 1 year ago
@AnthonysBlog Yeah, I honestly agree with Welshy on some points - in talking with him further, I think it boils down to citing different reasons for not liking the exit David Tennant took from the series. He has a problem specifically with his final words, while my problems lie more in the way his character kind of went downhill after the end of season 4. Thanks for the comment, though. I like hearing feedback.
Jezthesiren 1 year ago
@Jezthesiren No problem. Like I had said, it was a great response.
AnthonysBlog 1 year ago
Sorry to keep going on, but another thing to point out why those last words of Ten were honest because he was alone. In the end of Stolen Earth, when he is about to regenerate, his last words are "I'm sorry its too late, I'm regenerating" ...no regrets or even sadness, just the pain he is feeling from being shot, in fact he makes a joke earlier with Rose "long time no see". So if in the EOT he had someone with him, chances are those would have not been his last words.
DWaDDLJ 1 year ago
@DWaDDLJ No worries for going on at length. I like the conversations this video has started on the few sites I've linked it to. You bring up some really interesting points. I like to look at Doctors 9 and on both within the context of the previous Doctors and outside of them - almost like two separate interpretations. While the re-boot is true to the previous incarnations in many ways, it is also it's own entity and has it's own cannon. Thanks for the comments!
Jezthesiren 1 year ago
even Eleven made a huge effort to not let go of this world in the Big Bang, so much so that he put words into Amy's head so she would be able to bring him back. In short none of the Doctor want to really let go, even Four was sad, up to the point of his regen when he found out he will regenerate from the Watcher, but smiled for his companions. So basically "I don't want to go!" are honest words of every Doctor.
DWaDDLJ 1 year ago
he (the second Doctor) didn't want to change, his final words were "no no no". On top of this Ten had a year (or maybe more if there were offscrean adventures) of being told he was going to die, so wasn't even sure if he will regenerate, so his mindset was completly dark, and it made him do things that he regreted and made up for by the time he was going to regenerate, so not wanting to go was a plea for wanting a second chance....even
DWaDDLJ 1 year ago
I can see your points, and I too agree that 10's last words were a perfect fit for his character, but not for the same reason as yours. My view is simple, the Doctor, no matter what regen, he doesn't want to go, but the main reason he has never openly admitted it before is becuase he doesn't always regenerate alone, like he did here, so he was honest, no need to pretend to bebrave for a companion. the Second Doctor also put up a little word fight when the Time Lords forced a regen on him, he
DWaDDLJ 1 year ago