It must ge nice to be a priviledged white, then you dont have 400 illegals ruining your job. So then you can act like god's messenger to the rest of us unwashed masses. Well let me tell u something I am a working class white, i pick the crops, i do the roofing and i fix your SUV you fkkn BUM what do YOU do for society? HUH?
Illegal immigrants are mostly Mexican or Hispanic. They do all the shitty low wage jobs no American will do. They also don' rely on the government like so many Americans do. Illegal immigrants being bad for the US was a scapegoat for all the us financial,and job problems.
@ITSAFUCKINGCROCODILE FUCK YOU lying dirtbag. Americans have NO PROBLEM doing all kinds of work, lying bastard. The reason illegals do them is bcz they are terrified into slavery and they ruin the wages AND conditions in the workplace so Americans look for a different job asshole, i worked on a farm getting up EVERY FUCKING DAY at 4am. They are fucking ruining my country i am not going to take this shit, i am going to call ICE on anyone i suspect is here illegally.
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I've nothing against Illegal Immigrants.
BUT, how many generations do your ancestors have to have live in a place for you to not be an immigrant? Also, if I have a [Native American] ancestor am I still an "immigrant?"
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You can't create a new nation on top of an old nation without first conquering the old nation. Your solution can only work if they can conquer America. There new constitution means nothing unless they can gain control of the land.
@Hiei102493 That is semantic nonsense! Those "settlers" who "settled" the lands already settled by 500 Native American nations made few more contributions to settlements of the settled lands that they "settled" than that of killing the previous settlers. There is your bloody difference!
@ginesdepasamonte I nearly included in my original post that I thought the Native Americans were the only real settlers. I will admit that Europeans were conquerors. The Europeans took the land and developed a great nation. This may have been wrong, but that does not mean it is right for anyone to just run in and take what we have worked so hard for. You still have not provided one single reason why anyone wouldn't use the legal alternatives.
@Hiei102493 Nobody is running in to take anything. We brought people in to do our work for us, and we did it over and over and over,... White people colonizing nonwhite people gets a "...may have been wrong..." from you, but nonwhite people whom we bring to do our work for us get "...anyone to just run in and take what we have worked so hard for." Now that is how the mind of a racist works! Immigration is your backdoor to Apartheid. As for your last question. Just one reason? Okay: Tradition!
@ginesdepasamonte You think nobody is immigrating to abuse our resources? My language may have been a bit over the top, but it is true. People rush over the border and use our schools and hospitals at no cost. Just because it is not true of all illegal immigrants (I never said it was) does not mean it is not true about any of them. I'd say the same about white people running over any border, abusing our resources, and not paying taxes. That is not the point of this discussion, though.
@Hiei102493 The people who come to the US come primarily in order to have a chance at a better life, and also in answer to our call for their labor. The same is true of almost any other immigrant group. We are a nation of illegal immigrants. Your stupid assignment of abusive motives comes more from your own desire to abuse, than theirs. Transference, projection, and denial are the bigot's primary rhetorical accessories, and you have availed yourself of all three, already. More to come?
@ginesdepasamonte Ok, I agree they come here for a better life. They drain our resources (just like poor Americans do). I just want them to come over legally before we take care of them.
@Hiei102493 According to the many economists who study the matter, the undocumented produce a net gain to our society, not a loss. Even the more harsh economic scholars affirm this. Also, that is an economic consideration, not a legal one. You had said that your interest was legal, had you not?
@ginesdepasamonte Yes, and my interest is still legal. Whether they cause a net economic gain or not (I still believe they do not), is not the issue here. As I said in my last post, "I just want them to come over legally before we take care of them." Once again, I ask, "Why not just immigrate legally?"
@Hiei102493 I don't get it, you do not believe they produce a net gain for our society even though all the experts in economy show it? Well, that is what happens when you let your bigotry run your mind rather than intelligence.
So why don't we provide them with an legal avenue so that they might come legally? That is a very good question, unlike most of your bigoted rhetorical questions. Why don't you ask the border bigots at your next meeting?
@Hiei102493 WABOS! What we are arguing about is your phony characterizations of what the "anti-illegal immigrant" movement is all about. And it is all about race! The racists have not had the opportunity to be racists in the name of the law since Segregation, and they miss it. Immigration is their back door. The "issue" is hyped so that the GOP can mobilize the bigot vote. And the corporate oligarchy need a "criminal" distraction away from their crimes. Meanwhile, real people suffer your abuses.
@Hiei102493 It is about race, and inserting the code for "legal" and "illegal" into your statement bears out what I have been saying the whole time. Just as "illegal(s)" is code for Hispanics, "legal" occupies the alternative position. So, what you just said is: "If it were about race, why am I 100% for white immigration?" I think you have answered your own question.
@Hiei102493 Ah, but the original message was racist. One need not be undocumented in order to be abused as an "illegal." Many have run that gauntlet numerous times, and some I know are Puerto Rican, US citizens from birth. Still, to the border bigots, like you, and the Malinche police, force them to prove that over and over for no other reason than their complexion. It is all about race. "Legal" or "illegal," if you are brown or black, you will be profiled in this country.
@ginesdepasamonte I will have to agree that the illegals made life difficult for the LEGAL latinos, but too dam bad, maybe the legal latinos can tell the illegals to go home, HUH? Take some reponsibility, will you?.
@Elricck That's nonsense! Racism and xenophobia were running rampant in white America long before anybody made a big deal out of immigration, before the Alien and Sedition Act. Bigots like their people in uniform; that explains why they prefer racism and sexism over other options. Add to that the political power of bigotry. Get the bigot into the voting booth. The GOP has been courting the bigot vote for so long now that most of their own people are little more than glorified Klansmen.
@ginesdepasamonte if you brought illegal people intot he USA to work for you then you should be shut down and put in jail. if you would pay a good wage any person in the USA would work for you , you are another crook
@rosemarie443 Those people do the work. This only-legal-workers nonsense has been tried over and over, and we keep arriving at the point where getting the work done becomes more important. A series of huge industrial chimneys were being regularly cleaned by undocumented workers in Texas. Border bigots, like you, made a fuss, so they tried to do it with "legal" workers. They kept raising the wages with no luck. In the end they had to pay those higher wages to the same old workers. LOL
@ginesdepasamonte well at least the old workers got a better pay. if the employers of the USA would pay a good wage there is not one american that would not do the job.
@rosemarie443 You seem to have missed the point. No matter how high they raised the wages, they could still only get the same old undocumented workers willing to do the job. I am glad that they are now doing the job for better pay, but there exists a whole substructure of jobs that white US simply refuses to do. The undocumented have saved the US in so many ways, continuing to work when others have stopped, slowing the flow of jobs going overseas, feeding us, cleaning up after us, et cetera,...
@ginesdepasamonte well let me put it this way my sister in law is picking berrys at a low wage because they need the money. like i said the only reason that the companies can hire the illelgals is because they do not want to pay them, and i think that those companies should be shut down
@rosemarie443 There you go with your simplistic absolutes again. The ONLY reason? WABOS! You are such an idiot! Of course the undocumented are being hired for low wages, but they are also being hired because they do the work and they do it well and they have been doing it for generations and supply and demand and profit motives and white middle class US symbolic capital and run away consumerism, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And your answer to the market complexities is racist absolutism...?
@ginesdepasamonte Where did I use an absolute in one of my recent comments (between your last round of comments and this one)? Even if they do do work well, that does not excuse breaking the law. Just because I rob a bank really well does not make it good to rob banks.
@Hiei102493 If you look closely, you will see that I responded to rosemarie443 and not to you. You might do her the courtesy of allowing her to put her own foot in her own mouth. I'm sure she would thank you for that.
@ginesdepasamonte well let me put it this way my sister in law is picking berrys at a low wage because they need the money. like i said the only reason that the companies can hire the illelgals is because they do not want to pay them, and i think that those companies should be shut down
@ginesdepasamonte well let me put it this way my sister in law is picking berrys at a low wage because they need the money. like i said the only reason that the companies can hire the illelgals is because they do not want to pay them, and i think that those companies should be shut down
Conquering a nation is not the same as refusing the legal way to do something and purposefully using an illegal method. Yes we conquered the nation. Maybe that was right, maybe that was wrong. Either way, it does not justify illegal immigration. When America was first settled, it was done by force. That was the only available option.
Why do people always try to suggest that being against illegal immigration is racist? I am against breaking the law. Illegal immigration is against the law. I am all for legal immigration. Does everyone forget that legal immigration is possible?
@Hiei102493 That is a very easy question to answer: The "immigration issue" as we know it has little or nothing to do with the law, except for those who seek a law to use against another race. The bigots in the US have not been able to practice their racism in the name of the law since Segregation, and they miss it. For this reason they seek to misuse our immigration laws for that racist purpose. That is why the hate group FAIR is involved, and why only or Mexican border is militarized, etc, etc
@ginesdepasamonte The Mexican border is not militarized. We have border patrol there to attempt to keep people from crossing illegally. Why would you ever support something when there is a clear and legal alternative. I know many people, good friends even, who just moved here legally from Mexico. I have no problem with people who come over legally. The illegal immigrants are the ones who I have a problem with.
@Hiei102493 The US/Mexico border IS militarized. Go and see for yourself. The legal alternative is to document these people. We are a nation of illegal immigrants who legalized ourselves. It should work again. Our refusal to do this now is motivated by the GOP's need to court the bigot vote, the 1%'s need for a distraction, and the primary motive can be described as just plain racism! Your some-of-my-best-friends-are-Mexicans dodge is tired and transparent. Find another dog for that bone!
@ginesdepasamonte I live in south Texas, less than 2 hours from the border. I know exactly what it looks like. It does have people patrolling it, but so do all the cities in Texas. The legal alternative is for these people to follow our laws and immigrate legally. Modern Europeans, Asians, and even a lot of Mexicans immigrate legally. There is no need for illegal immigration. My claim regarding Mexican friends was simply to illustrate my familiarity with the immigration process.
@Hiei102493 I too live within two hours of the border but I have trouble believing that you do also. If you do, how can you have failed to notice the escalation of patrols along the border and in border communities? How could you have failed to notice the upscaled weaponry border patrols have been carrying? Perhaps you choose not to see... Also, we are the ones who told millions of workers not to bother with the "legal alternatives," not implicitly, but very explicitly! It's about race, not law.
@ginesdepasamonte Increasing patrolling with heavier weaponry still does not make it militarized. Give one documented example where somebody was explicitly told not to bother with legal alternatives. Even if such a case exists, the illegal aliens currently in the country could still become legal. There is no reason for anyone to avoid doing so. There is no excuse not to become a legal citizen.
@Hiei102493 You had better fire that illiterate Klansman who has been tutoring you; that is exactly what it means to be militarized. That may explain why you are so hung-up on the single example question. That's all right; it makes things easier for me, normally. In this particular case, however, I am vexed as to which example to give you. You would do well to read Frank Bardacke's book Trampling out the vintage. Then you could take your pick of documented cases. If I must choose: Brasero X
@ginesdepasamonte Apparently, all cities and the entire country is militarized. Over the weekend I was in San Antonio and saw about 30 police officers standing on a single street corner. They all had guns.
@Hiei102493 So, compare that street corner to another street corner. Then, compare that street corner to another which has 60 officers in full riot gear and assault weapons, aerial support, not responding to a single incident, but rather, as an occupying force. Compare our Mexican border with our Canadian border. Our southern border is militarized by any definition you choose. Your denial tactic does not seem to be working. You had better move on to transference or projection now. BLNT.
@ginesdepasamonte I've been to the border several times recently and have never seen a street corner with "60 officers in full riot gear and assault weapons, aerial support,"
@Hiei102493 Forgive me. I didn't realize you had so much trouble comprehending metaphors. Perhaps that comes as a product of generations of inbreeding and, should that be the case, it may be too late to do anything about it. However, it may come as a result of faulty education or inferior cultural access and, in those cases, there is a great deal that you can do in order to address the shortcoming, either on your own or with the help of some educational institution or cultural program. Good luck
@ginesdepasamonte What metaphor did I have trouble comprehending? Maybe I missed that comment and you thought I was replying to it when I was in fact replying to something else? Please show me the metaphor you used that I didn't comprehend.
@Hiei102493 As you wish: "So, compare that street corner to another street corner. Then, compare that street corner to another which has 60 officers in full riot gear and assault weapons, aerial support, not responding to a single incident, but rather, as an occupying force."
People against illegal immigration do not care who comes here. The people who are against illegal immigration just want these immigrants to come over legally.
@Hiei102493 WABOS! The people who claim to be against "illegal immigration" are appropriating our immigration laws for their Apartheid purposes, an illegal use of the law. You may have noticed that these people enjoy the term "illegals." However, they do not use the vocable in order to describe any person whose acts are illegal, but rather as a codeword for "spic" or "beaner" or "wetback" or whatever other racial slur they might otherwise use if they did not find themselves in polite society.
@ginesdepasamonte "illegal(s)" is short for "illegal immigrant(s)." You can't tell me that illegal can be short for other crimes. We don't call thieves "illegal thieves," do we? What about murderers? Of course not. It has nothing to do with racism. It is simple semantics. I am personally against illegal immigration. If it were racism, wouldn't I also be against legal immigration? Believing people should immigrate legally is similar to believing people should work for money rather than rob banks
@Hiei102493 Bull shit! In the first place, the hate group FAIR, which does so much of the talking and writing of laws for you border bigots, IS against legal immigration as well. You border bigots are appropriating immigration laws for Segregation/Apartheid purposes. That, as FAIR and others have shown over and over, effects any kind of immigration. One would have to be blind in order not to see the racism at the heart of this movement. Then you hide behind a "law." Slavery was a law too...
@ginesdepasamonte They may be against legal immigration, but that does not mean we all are. I really don't care what FAIR thinks. Even if they do write the laws, that does not mean the laws are racist. We, the ones who are against only illegal immigration, are the ones who pass the laws. It really is not hard to immigrate legally. Just avoid the whole problem and come over legally.
@Hiei102493 Sorry, but rallying behind racist laws produced and promoted by hate groups does make you complicit with that racism! Also, if you feel that all those generations, whom we told to come here and do our work for us without passing through channels, should be persecuted for this newly adopted attention to official paperwork, that sentiment reveals your hypocrisy and the racist filter through which you see the issues. Make them as you like them, or like them as you make them!
@ginesdepasamonte My point was that they are not racist laws. A racist person can formulate fair laws.
We never told anyone not to follow the law. We may not have properly enforced the law at one point, but that does not justify them coming over illegally.
Also, the ones who did come over illegally can apply for citizenship/visas and remain here legally. I have no problem with those people after they make their immigration legal.
@Hiei102493 Your point is a dodge. Beginning with the Braseros program, and especially after it, we very deliberately and explicitly created a flow of workers over our borders. In recent years, the term "illegal" has become a codeword for "spic" or "beaner" or "wetback" or whatever racial slur you border bigots would otherwise use to insult those who produce, process, prepare, and serve the food we eat, clean up after us, build our roads and our cities, care for our homes and our children, ...
@ginesdepasamonte I assume you are referring to the Bracero Program. This called only for temporary workers. It was not an invitation of illegal immigration. Don't pretend they have it so bad. They rush our border to take these jobs. We have plenty of people in America that would happily work them.
@Hiei102493 No, I'm talking about what came with and after the Braceros program (1941-1964). The panic that struck agriculture with the end of the Braceros program led to a number of efforts to bring workers north including the 1965 establishment of the UFW by César Chávez, higher wages, the 1966 opening of the border, the Green Card program, the intentional underfunding of the INS (programed to fail), et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The turn against these workers, whom we brought, is racism!
@ginesdepasamonte If we really did all that, and it made the crossing and staying legal, than the ones who came over at that time are not illegal and therefore outside of this debate. If it let them come over but only under the understanding that they would return then the people who came over during that time should have returned.
@Hiei102493 BS! Most of these programs created a loop that continued, powered by tradition and supply & demand, long after racists, like you, demanded the discontinuation of southern border enforcement exception. That bigotry, however, did nothing to end or alter the US appetite or our consumerism, two facets that have grown utterly dependent upon the labor of these undocumented workers. The easiest solution would be simply to document them. Why is this so difficult? Because of border bigots...
@ginesdepasamonte Why don't they just become legal citizens? Why should we go out of our way and change our laws to suit them? Shouldn't they just use the legal avenue and become citizens?
@rosemarie443 I still think your opinions are biased. Anyone can say all US citizens prefer to take gov aid instead of working. That would be more closer to the truth. Your opinion comes from your job that regulates a bunch of unemployed people.
@maryb5287 my opinion comes from seeing what is happening to the USA. when the illegals overpopulate the USA then where are they going to go. you do know that a piece of land can only hold so many people before it begins to decay. now when the USA is like Mexico where will you go.
@rosemarie443 foreign influence is what helped this country economically. The dependant way of living were ppl prefer to collect a check than work is partially a problem compared to other things ive mentioned.
@NauatPrincesa but you see a lot of the mexican ppl who come into the USA illegally do not want to work, they only want to spoil the USA. yes i can tell when a person have forged paper work. and after you talk to them for about a month they tell U that they are illegal. i am doing a very good job, all i have to do is to see that they keep the home in good shape and that the children go to school to collect the benefits. NO it is the other way around, more are on govt. aid, than work.
@rosemarie443 WABOS! Every study on the subject that I have read (FBI, PEW, Quadagno, AFDC, et cetera) says the exact opposite! More, far more, undocumented work than dare engage in any kind of government aid program. You obviously do no research whatever. That comes as no surprise. You can hardly write two coherent sentences; you no doubt have equal trouble reading any studies on the subject. So, you let your racism motivates you to string together debunked myths and apply them to "Mexicans."
@ginesdepasamonte i have reserached the problem of illegals coming into the USA very much, and the ones that are the most responsible are the people who hire them. if there were no jobs they would not come here. these peoplel go to work for very little pay so then they can get state aid. i have 15 blogs to read because that is my job, and i do not proof read, if you can read my post then don't bitch
@rosemarie443 I notice that this last pack of lies does not list, or even name, any of the sources of this research you claim to have done. What are they? Why do your so called "facts" so often turn out to be racist myths? So, your job is to answer 15 blogs concerning the undocumented? Is it also your job to misinform and to fabricate scenarios? Or, is that the only way that you can argue the stance that you have been hired to take? Who hired you to write their bigotry for them?
@ginesdepasamonte what i think about the illegals is not racism motivated, it is the truth, the only thing that i want them to do is to come into the USA legally. that way we can regulate the people coming into the country
@rosemarie443 That is nonsense, as I have pointed out to you so many times before. If you were truly interested in workable immigration policies working properly, you might discuss that once in a while. But, you have yet to approach the topic. Instead, you jump from litter to drugs to gangs to population to housing to taxes to hospital costs to welfare to language to jobs, et cetera, et cetera, ... All the while, you call the undocumented "Mexicans," when less than 50% are Mexican, or "illegals"
@ginesdepasamonte well my research is the work that i do eveyday. what i have posted are not lies, they are facts. everydayi i monitor illegal people, they have to do certain things to ge their welfare check and food stamps.i do not fabricate anything i only know what i work with every week. i have never jumped to anything except i only want the illegals to come into the USA legally. but they don't seem to be able to do that
@rosemarie443 That is nonsense! Even if what you claim to observe were true, you apply your "observations" across the board, with terms like "all" or "none" or "everybody" or "nobody" or "always" or "never," et cetera. You claim that the US is not a debtor nation to Mexico —an easily checked fact. You make claims about taxes and jobs and and litter and crime and population, et cetera, which are not part of your "research" and contradict real facts published by real experts. A racist and a liar!
@ginesdepasamonte what i monitor is true. well this is my opinion all illegals are coming into the country illegally an should be put in jail. NO, we own meixo nothing like i said before the best thing we could have done for mexico was to take over the entire country. I have as you called it researched this problem at great lenghts, and it all boils down to this, if you come into the USA illegally the go to jail
@rosemarie443 By that standard, all of us except for Native Americans would end up in jail. If what you intended to say is that the US does not owe (not "own") Mexico anything, you prove my point: You are obviously incapable of research or the simple dissemination of truth or facts, or even honesty. The US is a debtor nation to Mexico. Why does that FACT bother you so much? If you were not such a brain damaged illiterate racist simpleton, you might be able to understand humanity better.
@ginesdepasamonte I have done a lot of research and all i ask is that the mexicans come into the USA legally. I am sure if you have read any of my posts you know how i feel about illegals. the USA owes Mexico nothing. we fought for the land and we won, and then we paid mexico for it.I am not illiterate or a simpleton have have 2 college degrees, how many do you have?
@rosemarie443 Since your 2 college degrees never taught you to research, this is what it looks like: From the US treasury Dept. the US owes in billions US $: China 798.9, Japan 746.5, UK 230.7, Brazil 156.2, Hong Kong 142.0, Russia 122.5, Luxembourg 90.8, Taiwan 78.7, Switzerland 7105, Germany 52.8, South Korea 42.2, Canada 40.8, Ireland 38.3, France 36.2, Singapore 35.2, India 32.9, Turkey 30.4, Thailand 30.1, Norway 24.9 , and Mexico 20.7. Why does that FACT bother you so much? Just bigotry?
@rosemarie443 so youre saying that @ your job there is now way of telling the difference bt a forged and legit citizenship? all you just said is that youre not doing a very good job @ monitoring them. Still the numbers of illegals taking govt aid is dismal to the ones that actually worked.
@rosemarie443 Oh, I am so disappointed in you! This is only the second time in our long dialog that you have felt the need to lash out without any pretense of sustained attention to the subject. No denial, no phony statistics, no racist myths, no sanctimonious border bigotry, ... Who are you and what have you done with rosemarie443? Still, I'm not sure that the suggestion that one must be high in order to observe your racism will not backfire on you. It should be clear to anybody, high or not...
@NauatPrincesa sir have you ever heard of forgery?? illegals can get papers that prove that they are legal citizens. i moniter a groupe of illegals about 30 families that are getting food stamps, welfare, and medicade, and 15 families are getting free rent. i guess that you are still living in the dark. wake up and see what the illegals are doing to this country.did you know that the illegals are getting more help than some of the citizens of the USA that are out of work
@rosemarie443 lady just bcuz your ancestors put themselves in a position of "privilege" does not mean they werent illegal. They illegally invaded a continent and raped the people from their land.
@NauatPrincesa what ever you want to thing but you have been brain washed to believe that the people who came here in the begining of the USA were illegal immigrants, they were not, now i am a native citizen of the USA and if anybody should be upset it should be me, but i know what the USA has become because of the forgein countries taking over the USA. would you like to see it belong to Mexico
The ruling class wants illegal immigration or something similar because it creates a labor excess and an underclass of people who de facto lack all rights and can be exploited as slaves. They also create a scape goat for the 99% frustration and insecurity while serving as useful tools to create that uncertainty. Further it creates a safety valves for the despots in counties like Mexico since their frustrated citizens look to cross the border to alleviate their suffering and douse revolution.
@rosemarie443 my uncle was a gueriila killed by the US Contras trying to protect his soverignty of their nation. How can undocumented illegals recieve government benefits? Why do you refer to all illegals as Mexican? I know many undocumented working people that would have no problem paying for taxes.
@maryb5287 I did not say all illegals were mexicans but 90% of then are. and i wish that they would come into th USA legally. but you see they do not pay taxes, and most of them go on welfare, food stamps, and free medical care
@rosemarie443 I meant to write guerilla. Anyway like I said, if you dont agree. There are good immigrants and bad immigrants. Id rather get rid of the bad ones. You stop them by stopping their funding that keeps them here. Drug related criminal activity has a lot to do with it.
@rosemarie443 girl im not about to give you the longest history lesson of your life. Type up US imperialism online figure it out. If you dont, its fine. Just know youre wrong and no one wants or needs the US in their country to do what you think is "help".
@rosemarie443 the us invaded samoan islands illegally. The us invaded central america in the late 80s to traffic drugs. The sold Iran rebels weapons that funded the CONTRAS in central america. The US Contras killed my gorilla uncle because of it along with 30,000 fellow nicaraguans.
@maryb5287 i think that you are wrong, better check out your facts. the only reason that the USA got involved with these people is because their government asked us to help. and just why was your uncle a gorilla?
@rosemarie443 dont you think giving immigrant labor workers the proper documentation to file taxes and contribute to the US economy would help us? Dont you think if we stop funding drugs (the real american problem) that illegals criminals from all spectrums would get them the hell out? Do you think the US funds drugs in America. You cant be naive to not think so.
@maryb5287 i do not care how the illegals do it, all i want them to do is to come into the USA legally, now i don't thilnk that that is to much to ask. the USA is not fuinding drugs, only some of the people in the USA buyi the drugs, but it is a know fact that the USA is only a shipping post that most of the drugs that come into our country is shipped overseas to forgein countries but you see the illegals do not pay taxes.
@rosemarie443 illegal immigration is a chain reaction of american imperialism. You know what that is? When the US stops illegally invading foreign lands for their resources, then your arguments would be valid. Otherwise your arguments sound hypocritical.
@maryb5287 NO illegal immigration is not a chain reaction, it is the desire of a run down people to try and make their life better. but they could come into the USA legally. and the USA does not invade anyi foreign country for their resources, that idea is stupid. the USA only goes where it is asked to help except for Iraq. everytime that the USA goes to a foreign country to help them we wind up giving them more money than we can afford. it always costs the USA money to help.
@maryb5287 RESOURCES? RESOURCES? what resources? in the countries that we have tried to help there were no resources. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, & Afganistan and etc. you can't say that we got oil for any of these because the selling and buying of oil is governed by OPEC.
@gininigin NO the native american was born here, the ice age killed the sabertooth cats and the mammoths, and etc. the natives had nothing to do with that
@rosemarie443 I'm pretty sure that the Native Americans came to America between 20000 BC and 10000 BC. Unless you are saying that people born in the USA are not immigrants. That would mean that the descendants of the European immigrants are not immigrants.
@gininigin people who were born from the people that came into the USA many years ago, and populated the USA and native americans. the people who came into the USA of english descendant were immigrants, but not illegal immigrants, now can you see the difference? illegal= breaking the law. legal is OK
@rosemarie443 And another thing do you think they are illegal by choice ? are you under the notion that they choose to play hide and seek with the government, that if it was as easy as you said to come here legally they would choose to hop the fence, the simple fact of the matter is that we have a system for this called Asylum, which doesn't work so what are the poor people going to do, die in mexico or come here where they have chance at a better life ( the core principle of this country )
@494Ibrahim if all of the illegals in the USA formed a group and went back to mexico they could over throw their corrupt government. yes beling illegal is their choice, they come to the USA because they want to. the is the freedom of choice. but you see if all of mexico comes to the USA then we will be overrun and over populated and the USA will be turned into another mexico, and then where are they going to go
@rosemarie443 Of all the incredibly idiotic things you have come up with to rationalize your racism, this last one is special lunacy worthy of a new year of maniacal bigotry! You will have a hard time following it! So first, do you want all the undocumented people in the US to go to Mexico, or just the Mexicans? Do you know the population of Mexico? it is almost 114,000,000. How many farm workers do you think it takes to overthrow a government? How many construction workers? House keepers? ...
@ginesdepasamonte i don't know what it would take to overthrow the government in mexico, but they could get together and try to take their country back instead of trying to ruin the USA. How many did it take in Lybia? i want all of the illegals that are in the USA to go back to their own country.
@rosemarie443 The undocumented are not trying to ruin anything in the US. They do the work! How does building our roads and our cities ruin the US? How does cleaning up after us ruin the US? How does producing our food ruin the US? How does caring for our properties ruin the US? How does caring for our children ruin the US? How does gardening and lawn care ruin the US? In short, how does building the US ruin the US? You are such a racist dullard! How much racist hypocrisy can you dish out?
@ginesdepasamonte yes the undocumented are ruining the USA, because they want & take free medical assistance, & they live off of welfare & food stamps, & sometimes free housing. i monitor illegals everyday so i know what they are doing and what they are trying to do. their working in the USA only helps the employer the people of the USA who need a job., they do not produce our food. they do not take care of the USA you seem to think that the illegal mexican is not breaking the law , but they are
@rosemarie443 You think it ONLY helps the employer for the undocumented to produce the food that we ALL eat? What a phony you are! You think it ONLY helps the employer for the undocumented to build the roads we ALL use? What a hypocrite you are! You think that it ONLY the employer is helped by the cities the undocumented build for the rest of us? What a dullard you turned out to be! You don't think it helps the undocumented and the rest of us? WABOS! All the economists keep proving you wrong.
@ginesdepasamonte the reason is that the illegal mexicans are not building up the USA they are tearing it down, with the mess that they leave behind. all i want the mexicans to do is to come into the USA legally, now is that to much to ask a stupid country
@rosemarie443 That is your proof? A tiny piece of dessert with litter? WABOS! That matter is easily solved. Demilitarize the border and the mess is gone. You are such a racist fool. Scholars have been studying these issues for years and even the most critical agree that this immigration amounts to an overall gain for the US. Why don't you try getting your groceries at a store that only sells food produced and processed without undocumented help? Or open your own border bigot market for your ilk.
@rosemarie443 What the fuck are you talking about, they jumped over a fence and you shot them, but their crime is more horendous and they should be in court, WTF ? And second of all how the hell are they pampered, if they are illegal how could they get benefits from the government such as food stamps, welfare, and medical, you have to be a citizen to get taxpayer subsidized benefits, so the fact you think they are a leech on you is very ignorant
Any one want to know how Hawaii became a state? Pinky show has a great video that also puts a light on the HIPOCRACY of the US towards illegal immigration.
@stevenrowe48a That is racist nonsense! Scholars have shown over and over again that the native American nations had a very clear idea of boundaries, and of trespassing those boundaries, often leading to bloody conflicts and/or intense negotiations. The racist myth to which you make reference was developed by the white communities in order to rationalize their robbery of land from those nations.
i been in contractoring business for 30 years IT;s lot worst then seems ,,,what even more funny what about 1 million home loans as well to illegals,,oo let not forget obama turn in your junk car project 2 years ago and drive off with a 40,000 dollar car their not paying on,,only thing to save us whites have all out Civil war winner take all
no citizen of mexico el salvador guatemala etc is legally indigenous, they are citizens of mexico el salvador guatemala etc. when they are born in one country and take its citizenship they are no longer legally "native" or "indigenous" especially in the united states where NO ONE GETS SPECIAL TREATMENT JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR. if you believe they should get special rights and immunity from the law just because of their skin color then this puts you in the same category as the kkk.
The coming second great depression is going to resolve the illegal immigration crisis.Millions of immigrants, Hispanic or other will be forced to return to their home countries for lack of jobs as the unemployment reaches 25 to 30%. If they go now they have a chance of finding work to whether the crisis. If they stay they'll have nothing here and nothing when they have to return home anyway.Immigrants from all continents will be caught up in this catastrophy,not just Hispanics.Go now to survive
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How does the European colonization of Native Indians justify a second settlement onto the same land? It sounds as though you simply use the European immigration as an excuse to justify MORE non-Native and non-European immigration.
Do two wrongs make a right, or are you just anti-White?
all you cons and pros piss me off!!! just let the world be with all its haters and ppl who have no right way of thinking. People like you and me make laws. Who do we thrust? Who do we believe? WHO IS RIGHT? What I do know is that the world was created for animals to live on it, including humans, but I also believe that TO LIVE WHEREVER YOU WANT ON THIS EARTH IS A FUCKING HUMAN RIGHT! DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR!? HUMAN RIIIIIGHT!!!!!
illegal immigrants arent native, they are citizens of a different country. if legally they were native then that argument would hold water but since they are mexican, guatemalan, hunduran etc they are not "native" legally they are citzens of mexico, guatemala, honduras etc. they may be ethnically native, but unfortunately for them in this country no one gets special treatment simply due to their skin color or ethnicity.
they need to fix their own problems instead of moronically dumping them off into the neighbors yard and pretending they're fixed. eventually the neighbor will get pissed off and that does not make him or her a "racist" or a "bigot" grow a brain
the people need to stop and fix what they are fleeing from in countries they are fleeing. giving them a constant place to flee will not fix anything, it only prolongs suffering in the countries they are fleeing forever until the end of time as moronic buffoons like ginesdepasamonte would have it.
@JimyRoss There is a certain justice in the sequence of events here. Much of what the immigrants are leaving their native countries for, came to be thanks in large part to the policies of the nation to which they are immigrating. Some fe force to come, some we encourage to come, some we beg to come, and some we left with no other choice but to come. Make them as you like them, or like them as you make them.
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@ginesdepasamonte they need to fix the problems in their own countries instead of forever running from them like pathetic losers. running away does not solve anything that just lets it continue and this is how you like it because you "Make them as you like them, or like them as you make them." your solution leads to civil unrest racism and eventually war while you sit here like a fat turd and call everyone racist who wants laws followed. you have serious mental problems.
@JimyRoss WABOS! You have just made an argument against the making of the US. You are such a bloody idiot! These people have no political voice. The US has far more to say about what goes on in Mexico than these undocumented workers ever did, and the US has created the situation far more than has Mexico. Few are running away from anything. That is your bigotry talking. The US begged them to come, over and over and over... The attention now is in order to mobilize the bigot vote for the GOP: You.
@ginesdepasamonte if illegals want to be treated like humans then they should act like humans and immigrate legally and not act like "cattle," as you put it.
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@ginesdepasamonte running... to the place thats apparently causing all the problems????? GENIUS! they are inept to solve their own problems that their fault, not ours.
It must ge nice to be a priviledged white, then you dont have 400 illegals ruining your job. So then you can act like god's messenger to the rest of us unwashed masses. Well let me tell u something I am a working class white, i pick the crops, i do the roofing and i fix your SUV you fkkn BUM what do YOU do for society? HUH?
Elricck 1 day ago
Illegal immigrants are mostly Mexican or Hispanic. They do all the shitty low wage jobs no American will do. They also don' rely on the government like so many Americans do. Illegal immigrants being bad for the US was a scapegoat for all the us financial,and job problems.
ITSAFUCKINGCROCODILE 2 days ago 2
@ITSAFUCKINGCROCODILE FUCK YOU lying dirtbag. Americans have NO PROBLEM doing all kinds of work, lying bastard. The reason illegals do them is bcz they are terrified into slavery and they ruin the wages AND conditions in the workplace so Americans look for a different job asshole, i worked on a farm getting up EVERY FUCKING DAY at 4am. They are fucking ruining my country i am not going to take this shit, i am going to call ICE on anyone i suspect is here illegally.
Elricck 1 day ago
@Elricck stfu you poor excuse for a troll.
ITSAFUCKINGCROCODILE 1 day ago
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At some point even Native Americans had to immigrate to America.
Tubewyn 1 week ago
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Wait. Wait. Wait...
I've nothing against Illegal Immigrants.
BUT, how many generations do your ancestors have to have live in a place for you to not be an immigrant? Also, if I have a [Native American] ancestor am I still an "immigrant?"
Tubewyn 1 week ago
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You can't create a new nation on top of an old nation without first conquering the old nation. Your solution can only work if they can conquer America. There new constitution means nothing unless they can gain control of the land.
Hiei102493 1 week ago
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Native Americans are settlers. They didn't just magically appear on this land.
Hiei102493 1 week ago
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Settlers settle an area. Immigrants move into an already settled area. They are not the same.
Hiei102493 1 week ago
@Hiei102493 That is semantic nonsense! Those "settlers" who "settled" the lands already settled by 500 Native American nations made few more contributions to settlements of the settled lands that they "settled" than that of killing the previous settlers. There is your bloody difference!
ginesdepasamonte 4 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte I nearly included in my original post that I thought the Native Americans were the only real settlers. I will admit that Europeans were conquerors. The Europeans took the land and developed a great nation. This may have been wrong, but that does not mean it is right for anyone to just run in and take what we have worked so hard for. You still have not provided one single reason why anyone wouldn't use the legal alternatives.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@Hiei102493 Nobody is running in to take anything. We brought people in to do our work for us, and we did it over and over and over,... White people colonizing nonwhite people gets a "...may have been wrong..." from you, but nonwhite people whom we bring to do our work for us get "...anyone to just run in and take what we have worked so hard for." Now that is how the mind of a racist works! Immigration is your backdoor to Apartheid. As for your last question. Just one reason? Okay: Tradition!
ginesdepasamonte 4 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte You think nobody is immigrating to abuse our resources? My language may have been a bit over the top, but it is true. People rush over the border and use our schools and hospitals at no cost. Just because it is not true of all illegal immigrants (I never said it was) does not mean it is not true about any of them. I'd say the same about white people running over any border, abusing our resources, and not paying taxes. That is not the point of this discussion, though.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@Hiei102493 The people who come to the US come primarily in order to have a chance at a better life, and also in answer to our call for their labor. The same is true of almost any other immigrant group. We are a nation of illegal immigrants. Your stupid assignment of abusive motives comes more from your own desire to abuse, than theirs. Transference, projection, and denial are the bigot's primary rhetorical accessories, and you have availed yourself of all three, already. More to come?
ginesdepasamonte 3 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte Ok, I agree they come here for a better life. They drain our resources (just like poor Americans do). I just want them to come over legally before we take care of them.
Hiei102493 1 day ago
@Hiei102493 According to the many economists who study the matter, the undocumented produce a net gain to our society, not a loss. Even the more harsh economic scholars affirm this. Also, that is an economic consideration, not a legal one. You had said that your interest was legal, had you not?
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
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@ginesdepasamonte Yes, and my interest is still legal. Whether they cause a net economic gain or not (I still believe they do not), is not the issue here. As I said in my last post, "I just want them to come over legally before we take care of them." Once again, I ask, "Why not just immigrate legally?"
Hiei102493 1 day ago
@Hiei102493 I don't get it, you do not believe they produce a net gain for our society even though all the experts in economy show it? Well, that is what happens when you let your bigotry run your mind rather than intelligence.
So why don't we provide them with an legal avenue so that they might come legally? That is a very good question, unlike most of your bigoted rhetorical questions. Why don't you ask the border bigots at your next meeting?
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
@ginesdepasamonte Calling me racist is dodging the overall argument here. We are arguing about the laws. We are not arguing about me.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@Hiei102493 WABOS! What we are arguing about is your phony characterizations of what the "anti-illegal immigrant" movement is all about. And it is all about race! The racists have not had the opportunity to be racists in the name of the law since Segregation, and they miss it. Immigration is their back door. The "issue" is hyped so that the GOP can mobilize the bigot vote. And the corporate oligarchy need a "criminal" distraction away from their crimes. Meanwhile, real people suffer your abuses.
ginesdepasamonte 3 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte If it were about race, why am I 100% for legal immigration?
Hiei102493 1 day ago
@Hiei102493 It is about race, and inserting the code for "legal" and "illegal" into your statement bears out what I have been saying the whole time. Just as "illegal(s)" is code for Hispanics, "legal" occupies the alternative position. So, what you just said is: "If it were about race, why am I 100% for white immigration?" I think you have answered your own question.
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
@ginesdepasamonte So a Mexican who immigrates legally is white? I better notify my friends. They sure will be surprised.
Just because you can change words in my statements to make it racist does not mean the original statement was racist.
Hiei102493 1 day ago
@Hiei102493 Ah, but the original message was racist. One need not be undocumented in order to be abused as an "illegal." Many have run that gauntlet numerous times, and some I know are Puerto Rican, US citizens from birth. Still, to the border bigots, like you, and the Malinche police, force them to prove that over and over for no other reason than their complexion. It is all about race. "Legal" or "illegal," if you are brown or black, you will be profiled in this country.
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago 2
@ginesdepasamonte I will have to agree that the illegals made life difficult for the LEGAL latinos, but too dam bad, maybe the legal latinos can tell the illegals to go home, HUH? Take some reponsibility, will you?.
Elricck 1 day ago
@Elricck That's nonsense! Racism and xenophobia were running rampant in white America long before anybody made a big deal out of immigration, before the Alien and Sedition Act. Bigots like their people in uniform; that explains why they prefer racism and sexism over other options. Add to that the political power of bigotry. Get the bigot into the voting booth. The GOP has been courting the bigot vote for so long now that most of their own people are little more than glorified Klansmen.
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
@ginesdepasamonte if you brought illegal people intot he USA to work for you then you should be shut down and put in jail. if you would pay a good wage any person in the USA would work for you , you are another crook
rosemarie443 4 days ago
@rosemarie443 Those people do the work. This only-legal-workers nonsense has been tried over and over, and we keep arriving at the point where getting the work done becomes more important. A series of huge industrial chimneys were being regularly cleaned by undocumented workers in Texas. Border bigots, like you, made a fuss, so they tried to do it with "legal" workers. They kept raising the wages with no luck. In the end they had to pay those higher wages to the same old workers. LOL
ginesdepasamonte 3 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte well at least the old workers got a better pay. if the employers of the USA would pay a good wage there is not one american that would not do the job.
rosemarie443 3 days ago
@rosemarie443 You seem to have missed the point. No matter how high they raised the wages, they could still only get the same old undocumented workers willing to do the job. I am glad that they are now doing the job for better pay, but there exists a whole substructure of jobs that white US simply refuses to do. The undocumented have saved the US in so many ways, continuing to work when others have stopped, slowing the flow of jobs going overseas, feeding us, cleaning up after us, et cetera,...
ginesdepasamonte 2 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte well let me put it this way my sister in law is picking berrys at a low wage because they need the money. like i said the only reason that the companies can hire the illelgals is because they do not want to pay them, and i think that those companies should be shut down
rosemarie443 2 days ago
@rosemarie443 There you go with your simplistic absolutes again. The ONLY reason? WABOS! You are such an idiot! Of course the undocumented are being hired for low wages, but they are also being hired because they do the work and they do it well and they have been doing it for generations and supply and demand and profit motives and white middle class US symbolic capital and run away consumerism, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And your answer to the market complexities is racist absolutism...?
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
@ginesdepasamonte Where did I use an absolute in one of my recent comments (between your last round of comments and this one)? Even if they do do work well, that does not excuse breaking the law. Just because I rob a bank really well does not make it good to rob banks.
Hiei102493 1 day ago
@Hiei102493 If you look closely, you will see that I responded to rosemarie443 and not to you. You might do her the courtesy of allowing her to put her own foot in her own mouth. I'm sure she would thank you for that.
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
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@ginesdepasamonte well let me put it this way my sister in law is picking berrys at a low wage because they need the money. like i said the only reason that the companies can hire the illelgals is because they do not want to pay them, and i think that those companies should be shut down
rosemarie443 2 days ago
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@ginesdepasamonte well let me put it this way my sister in law is picking berrys at a low wage because they need the money. like i said the only reason that the companies can hire the illelgals is because they do not want to pay them, and i think that those companies should be shut down
rosemarie443 2 days ago
Conquering a nation is not the same as refusing the legal way to do something and purposefully using an illegal method. Yes we conquered the nation. Maybe that was right, maybe that was wrong. Either way, it does not justify illegal immigration. When America was first settled, it was done by force. That was the only available option.
Hiei102493 1 week ago
Why do people always try to suggest that being against illegal immigration is racist? I am against breaking the law. Illegal immigration is against the law. I am all for legal immigration. Does everyone forget that legal immigration is possible?
Hiei102493 1 week ago
@Hiei102493 That is a very easy question to answer: The "immigration issue" as we know it has little or nothing to do with the law, except for those who seek a law to use against another race. The bigots in the US have not been able to practice their racism in the name of the law since Segregation, and they miss it. For this reason they seek to misuse our immigration laws for that racist purpose. That is why the hate group FAIR is involved, and why only or Mexican border is militarized, etc, etc
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago 7
@ginesdepasamonte The Mexican border is not militarized. We have border patrol there to attempt to keep people from crossing illegally. Why would you ever support something when there is a clear and legal alternative. I know many people, good friends even, who just moved here legally from Mexico. I have no problem with people who come over legally. The illegal immigrants are the ones who I have a problem with.
Hiei102493 1 week ago
@Hiei102493 The US/Mexico border IS militarized. Go and see for yourself. The legal alternative is to document these people. We are a nation of illegal immigrants who legalized ourselves. It should work again. Our refusal to do this now is motivated by the GOP's need to court the bigot vote, the 1%'s need for a distraction, and the primary motive can be described as just plain racism! Your some-of-my-best-friends-are-Mexicans dodge is tired and transparent. Find another dog for that bone!
ginesdepasamonte 6 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte I live in south Texas, less than 2 hours from the border. I know exactly what it looks like. It does have people patrolling it, but so do all the cities in Texas. The legal alternative is for these people to follow our laws and immigrate legally. Modern Europeans, Asians, and even a lot of Mexicans immigrate legally. There is no need for illegal immigration. My claim regarding Mexican friends was simply to illustrate my familiarity with the immigration process.
Hiei102493 5 days ago
@Hiei102493 I too live within two hours of the border but I have trouble believing that you do also. If you do, how can you have failed to notice the escalation of patrols along the border and in border communities? How could you have failed to notice the upscaled weaponry border patrols have been carrying? Perhaps you choose not to see... Also, we are the ones who told millions of workers not to bother with the "legal alternatives," not implicitly, but very explicitly! It's about race, not law.
ginesdepasamonte 4 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte Increasing patrolling with heavier weaponry still does not make it militarized. Give one documented example where somebody was explicitly told not to bother with legal alternatives. Even if such a case exists, the illegal aliens currently in the country could still become legal. There is no reason for anyone to avoid doing so. There is no excuse not to become a legal citizen.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@Hiei102493 You had better fire that illiterate Klansman who has been tutoring you; that is exactly what it means to be militarized. That may explain why you are so hung-up on the single example question. That's all right; it makes things easier for me, normally. In this particular case, however, I am vexed as to which example to give you. You would do well to read Frank Bardacke's book Trampling out the vintage. Then you could take your pick of documented cases. If I must choose: Brasero X
ginesdepasamonte 4 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte Apparently, all cities and the entire country is militarized. Over the weekend I was in San Antonio and saw about 30 police officers standing on a single street corner. They all had guns.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@Hiei102493 So, compare that street corner to another street corner. Then, compare that street corner to another which has 60 officers in full riot gear and assault weapons, aerial support, not responding to a single incident, but rather, as an occupying force. Compare our Mexican border with our Canadian border. Our southern border is militarized by any definition you choose. Your denial tactic does not seem to be working. You had better move on to transference or projection now. BLNT.
ginesdepasamonte 3 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte I've been to the border several times recently and have never seen a street corner with "60 officers in full riot gear and assault weapons, aerial support,"
Stop making stuff up.
Hiei102493 1 day ago
@Hiei102493 Forgive me. I didn't realize you had so much trouble comprehending metaphors. Perhaps that comes as a product of generations of inbreeding and, should that be the case, it may be too late to do anything about it. However, it may come as a result of faulty education or inferior cultural access and, in those cases, there is a great deal that you can do in order to address the shortcoming, either on your own or with the help of some educational institution or cultural program. Good luck
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
@ginesdepasamonte What metaphor did I have trouble comprehending? Maybe I missed that comment and you thought I was replying to it when I was in fact replying to something else? Please show me the metaphor you used that I didn't comprehend.
Hiei102493 1 day ago
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@Hiei102493 As you wish: "So, compare that street corner to another street corner. Then, compare that street corner to another which has 60 officers in full riot gear and assault weapons, aerial support, not responding to a single incident, but rather, as an occupying force."
Shall I also find a tutor for you?
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
People against illegal immigration do not care who comes here. The people who are against illegal immigration just want these immigrants to come over legally.
Hiei102493 1 week ago
@Hiei102493 WABOS! The people who claim to be against "illegal immigration" are appropriating our immigration laws for their Apartheid purposes, an illegal use of the law. You may have noticed that these people enjoy the term "illegals." However, they do not use the vocable in order to describe any person whose acts are illegal, but rather as a codeword for "spic" or "beaner" or "wetback" or whatever other racial slur they might otherwise use if they did not find themselves in polite society.
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago 2
@ginesdepasamonte "illegal(s)" is short for "illegal immigrant(s)." You can't tell me that illegal can be short for other crimes. We don't call thieves "illegal thieves," do we? What about murderers? Of course not. It has nothing to do with racism. It is simple semantics. I am personally against illegal immigration. If it were racism, wouldn't I also be against legal immigration? Believing people should immigrate legally is similar to believing people should work for money rather than rob banks
Hiei102493 1 week ago
@Hiei102493 Bull shit! In the first place, the hate group FAIR, which does so much of the talking and writing of laws for you border bigots, IS against legal immigration as well. You border bigots are appropriating immigration laws for Segregation/Apartheid purposes. That, as FAIR and others have shown over and over, effects any kind of immigration. One would have to be blind in order not to see the racism at the heart of this movement. Then you hide behind a "law." Slavery was a law too...
ginesdepasamonte 6 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte They may be against legal immigration, but that does not mean we all are. I really don't care what FAIR thinks. Even if they do write the laws, that does not mean the laws are racist. We, the ones who are against only illegal immigration, are the ones who pass the laws. It really is not hard to immigrate legally. Just avoid the whole problem and come over legally.
Hiei102493 5 days ago
@Hiei102493 Sorry, but rallying behind racist laws produced and promoted by hate groups does make you complicit with that racism! Also, if you feel that all those generations, whom we told to come here and do our work for us without passing through channels, should be persecuted for this newly adopted attention to official paperwork, that sentiment reveals your hypocrisy and the racist filter through which you see the issues. Make them as you like them, or like them as you make them!
ginesdepasamonte 4 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte My point was that they are not racist laws. A racist person can formulate fair laws.
We never told anyone not to follow the law. We may not have properly enforced the law at one point, but that does not justify them coming over illegally.
Also, the ones who did come over illegally can apply for citizenship/visas and remain here legally. I have no problem with those people after they make their immigration legal.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@Hiei102493 Your point is a dodge. Beginning with the Braseros program, and especially after it, we very deliberately and explicitly created a flow of workers over our borders. In recent years, the term "illegal" has become a codeword for "spic" or "beaner" or "wetback" or whatever racial slur you border bigots would otherwise use to insult those who produce, process, prepare, and serve the food we eat, clean up after us, build our roads and our cities, care for our homes and our children, ...
ginesdepasamonte 4 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte I assume you are referring to the Bracero Program. This called only for temporary workers. It was not an invitation of illegal immigration. Don't pretend they have it so bad. They rush our border to take these jobs. We have plenty of people in America that would happily work them.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@Hiei102493 No, I'm talking about what came with and after the Braceros program (1941-1964). The panic that struck agriculture with the end of the Braceros program led to a number of efforts to bring workers north including the 1965 establishment of the UFW by César Chávez, higher wages, the 1966 opening of the border, the Green Card program, the intentional underfunding of the INS (programed to fail), et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The turn against these workers, whom we brought, is racism!
ginesdepasamonte 3 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte If we really did all that, and it made the crossing and staying legal, than the ones who came over at that time are not illegal and therefore outside of this debate. If it let them come over but only under the understanding that they would return then the people who came over during that time should have returned.
Hiei102493 1 day ago
@Hiei102493 BS! Most of these programs created a loop that continued, powered by tradition and supply & demand, long after racists, like you, demanded the discontinuation of southern border enforcement exception. That bigotry, however, did nothing to end or alter the US appetite or our consumerism, two facets that have grown utterly dependent upon the labor of these undocumented workers. The easiest solution would be simply to document them. Why is this so difficult? Because of border bigots...
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
@ginesdepasamonte Why don't they just become legal citizens? Why should we go out of our way and change our laws to suit them? Shouldn't they just use the legal avenue and become citizens?
Hiei102493 1 day ago
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@Hiei102493 "Why don't they just become legal citizens?"
Because we won't let them...
"Why should we go out of our way and change our laws to suit them?"
Justice.
"Shouldn't they just use the legal avenue and become citizens?"
They would be happy to do so. What legal avenues do you propose?
ginesdepasamonte 1 day ago
@ginesdepasamonte NO the word illegal stand for people who are breaking the law and should be put in jail.
rosemarie443 4 days ago
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@ginesdepasamonte lol you got schooled.
JimyRoss 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 I still think your opinions are biased. Anyone can say all US citizens prefer to take gov aid instead of working. That would be more closer to the truth. Your opinion comes from your job that regulates a bunch of unemployed people.
maryb5287 1 week ago
@maryb5287 my opinion comes from seeing what is happening to the USA. when the illegals overpopulate the USA then where are they going to go. you do know that a piece of land can only hold so many people before it begins to decay. now when the USA is like Mexico where will you go.
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 foreign influence is what helped this country economically. The dependant way of living were ppl prefer to collect a check than work is partially a problem compared to other things ive mentioned.
NauatPrincesa 1 week ago
@NauatPrincesa but you see a lot of the mexican ppl who come into the USA illegally do not want to work, they only want to spoil the USA. yes i can tell when a person have forged paper work. and after you talk to them for about a month they tell U that they are illegal. i am doing a very good job, all i have to do is to see that they keep the home in good shape and that the children go to school to collect the benefits. NO it is the other way around, more are on govt. aid, than work.
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 WABOS! Every study on the subject that I have read (FBI, PEW, Quadagno, AFDC, et cetera) says the exact opposite! More, far more, undocumented work than dare engage in any kind of government aid program. You obviously do no research whatever. That comes as no surprise. You can hardly write two coherent sentences; you no doubt have equal trouble reading any studies on the subject. So, you let your racism motivates you to string together debunked myths and apply them to "Mexicans."
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@ginesdepasamonte i have reserached the problem of illegals coming into the USA very much, and the ones that are the most responsible are the people who hire them. if there were no jobs they would not come here. these peoplel go to work for very little pay so then they can get state aid. i have 15 blogs to read because that is my job, and i do not proof read, if you can read my post then don't bitch
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 I notice that this last pack of lies does not list, or even name, any of the sources of this research you claim to have done. What are they? Why do your so called "facts" so often turn out to be racist myths? So, your job is to answer 15 blogs concerning the undocumented? Is it also your job to misinform and to fabricate scenarios? Or, is that the only way that you can argue the stance that you have been hired to take? Who hired you to write their bigotry for them?
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@ginesdepasamonte what i think about the illegals is not racism motivated, it is the truth, the only thing that i want them to do is to come into the USA legally. that way we can regulate the people coming into the country
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 That is nonsense, as I have pointed out to you so many times before. If you were truly interested in workable immigration policies working properly, you might discuss that once in a while. But, you have yet to approach the topic. Instead, you jump from litter to drugs to gangs to population to housing to taxes to hospital costs to welfare to language to jobs, et cetera, et cetera, ... All the while, you call the undocumented "Mexicans," when less than 50% are Mexican, or "illegals"
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@ginesdepasamonte well my research is the work that i do eveyday. what i have posted are not lies, they are facts. everydayi i monitor illegal people, they have to do certain things to ge their welfare check and food stamps.i do not fabricate anything i only know what i work with every week. i have never jumped to anything except i only want the illegals to come into the USA legally. but they don't seem to be able to do that
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 That is nonsense! Even if what you claim to observe were true, you apply your "observations" across the board, with terms like "all" or "none" or "everybody" or "nobody" or "always" or "never," et cetera. You claim that the US is not a debtor nation to Mexico —an easily checked fact. You make claims about taxes and jobs and and litter and crime and population, et cetera, which are not part of your "research" and contradict real facts published by real experts. A racist and a liar!
ginesdepasamonte 6 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte what i monitor is true. well this is my opinion all illegals are coming into the country illegally an should be put in jail. NO, we own meixo nothing like i said before the best thing we could have done for mexico was to take over the entire country. I have as you called it researched this problem at great lenghts, and it all boils down to this, if you come into the USA illegally the go to jail
rosemarie443 6 days ago
@rosemarie443 By that standard, all of us except for Native Americans would end up in jail. If what you intended to say is that the US does not owe (not "own") Mexico anything, you prove my point: You are obviously incapable of research or the simple dissemination of truth or facts, or even honesty. The US is a debtor nation to Mexico. Why does that FACT bother you so much? If you were not such a brain damaged illiterate racist simpleton, you might be able to understand humanity better.
ginesdepasamonte 5 days ago
@ginesdepasamonte I have done a lot of research and all i ask is that the mexicans come into the USA legally. I am sure if you have read any of my posts you know how i feel about illegals. the USA owes Mexico nothing. we fought for the land and we won, and then we paid mexico for it.I am not illiterate or a simpleton have have 2 college degrees, how many do you have?
rosemarie443 5 days ago
@rosemarie443 Since your 2 college degrees never taught you to research, this is what it looks like: From the US treasury Dept. the US owes in billions US $: China 798.9, Japan 746.5, UK 230.7, Brazil 156.2, Hong Kong 142.0, Russia 122.5, Luxembourg 90.8, Taiwan 78.7, Switzerland 7105, Germany 52.8, South Korea 42.2, Canada 40.8, Ireland 38.3, France 36.2, Singapore 35.2, India 32.9, Turkey 30.4, Thailand 30.1, Norway 24.9 , and Mexico 20.7. Why does that FACT bother you so much? Just bigotry?
ginesdepasamonte 4 days ago
@rosemarie443 Finally, another reasonable person.
Hiei102493 4 days ago
@rosemarie443 so youre saying that @ your job there is now way of telling the difference bt a forged and legit citizenship? all you just said is that youre not doing a very good job @ monitoring them. Still the numbers of illegals taking govt aid is dismal to the ones that actually worked.
NauatPrincesa 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 how are undocumented illegal immigrants collecting welfare w/out the proper documentation. It doesnt make sense.
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@NauatPrincesa Get used to it; rosemarie443 does not make sense. She lets her bigotry take over her mind when she posts on this issue.
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@ginesdepasamonte please get back on your drugs and go to bed and stay off of the bong pipe
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 Oh, I am so disappointed in you! This is only the second time in our long dialog that you have felt the need to lash out without any pretense of sustained attention to the subject. No denial, no phony statistics, no racist myths, no sanctimonious border bigotry, ... Who are you and what have you done with rosemarie443? Still, I'm not sure that the suggestion that one must be high in order to observe your racism will not backfire on you. It should be clear to anybody, high or not...
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@NauatPrincesa sir have you ever heard of forgery?? illegals can get papers that prove that they are legal citizens. i moniter a groupe of illegals about 30 families that are getting food stamps, welfare, and medicade, and 15 families are getting free rent. i guess that you are still living in the dark. wake up and see what the illegals are doing to this country.did you know that the illegals are getting more help than some of the citizens of the USA that are out of work
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 lady just bcuz your ancestors put themselves in a position of "privilege" does not mean they werent illegal. They illegally invaded a continent and raped the people from their land.
NauatPrincesa 1 week ago
@NauatPrincesa what ever you want to thing but you have been brain washed to believe that the people who came here in the begining of the USA were illegal immigrants, they were not, now i am a native citizen of the USA and if anybody should be upset it should be me, but i know what the USA has become because of the forgein countries taking over the USA. would you like to see it belong to Mexico
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@michalchik im glad someone finally has a brain and gets it.
maryb5287 1 week ago
Your video went viral on Pakistan
octaviocurti922 1 week ago
The ruling class wants illegal immigration or something similar because it creates a labor excess and an underclass of people who de facto lack all rights and can be exploited as slaves. They also create a scape goat for the 99% frustration and insecurity while serving as useful tools to create that uncertainty. Further it creates a safety valves for the despots in counties like Mexico since their frustrated citizens look to cross the border to alleviate their suffering and douse revolution.
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@rosemarie443 my uncle was a gueriila killed by the US Contras trying to protect his soverignty of their nation. How can undocumented illegals recieve government benefits? Why do you refer to all illegals as Mexican? I know many undocumented working people that would have no problem paying for taxes.
maryb5287 1 week ago
@maryb5287 I did not say all illegals were mexicans but 90% of then are. and i wish that they would come into th USA legally. but you see they do not pay taxes, and most of them go on welfare, food stamps, and free medical care
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 I meant to write guerilla. Anyway like I said, if you dont agree. There are good immigrants and bad immigrants. Id rather get rid of the bad ones. You stop them by stopping their funding that keeps them here. Drug related criminal activity has a lot to do with it.
maryb5287 1 week ago
@maryb5287 yes the immigrants that take the time to come into the USA legally are the good immigrants. and where did you mean to write guerilla
rosemarie443 1 week ago
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@rosemarie443 That would mean that our founding fathers, along with all the rest of us since, are bad immigrants.
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 girl im not about to give you the longest history lesson of your life. Type up US imperialism online figure it out. If you dont, its fine. Just know youre wrong and no one wants or needs the US in their country to do what you think is "help".
maryb5287 1 week ago
@maryb5287 If they do not need us they why did they ask???
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 the us invaded samoan islands illegally. The us invaded central america in the late 80s to traffic drugs. The sold Iran rebels weapons that funded the CONTRAS in central america. The US Contras killed my gorilla uncle because of it along with 30,000 fellow nicaraguans.
maryb5287 1 week ago
@maryb5287 i think that you are wrong, better check out your facts. the only reason that the USA got involved with these people is because their government asked us to help. and just why was your uncle a gorilla?
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 dont you think giving immigrant labor workers the proper documentation to file taxes and contribute to the US economy would help us? Dont you think if we stop funding drugs (the real american problem) that illegals criminals from all spectrums would get them the hell out? Do you think the US funds drugs in America. You cant be naive to not think so.
maryb5287 1 week ago
@maryb5287 i do not care how the illegals do it, all i want them to do is to come into the USA legally, now i don't thilnk that that is to much to ask. the USA is not fuinding drugs, only some of the people in the USA buyi the drugs, but it is a know fact that the USA is only a shipping post that most of the drugs that come into our country is shipped overseas to forgein countries but you see the illegals do not pay taxes.
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 illegal immigration is a chain reaction of american imperialism. You know what that is? When the US stops illegally invading foreign lands for their resources, then your arguments would be valid. Otherwise your arguments sound hypocritical.
maryb5287 1 week ago
@maryb5287 NO illegal immigration is not a chain reaction, it is the desire of a run down people to try and make their life better. but they could come into the USA legally. and the USA does not invade anyi foreign country for their resources, that idea is stupid. the USA only goes where it is asked to help except for Iraq. everytime that the USA goes to a foreign country to help them we wind up giving them more money than we can afford. it always costs the USA money to help.
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@maryb5287 RESOURCES? RESOURCES? what resources? in the countries that we have tried to help there were no resources. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, & Afganistan and etc. you can't say that we got oil for any of these because the selling and buying of oil is governed by OPEC.
rosemarie443 1 week ago
Native Americans are immigrants too. They took the land from a lot of saber-tooth cats, mammoths and giant sloths.
gininigin 1 week ago
@gininigin NO the native american was born here, the ice age killed the sabertooth cats and the mammoths, and etc. the natives had nothing to do with that
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 I'm pretty sure that the Native Americans came to America between 20000 BC and 10000 BC. Unless you are saying that people born in the USA are not immigrants. That would mean that the descendants of the European immigrants are not immigrants.
gininigin 1 week ago
@gininigin people who were born from the people that came into the USA many years ago, and populated the USA and native americans. the people who came into the USA of english descendant were immigrants, but not illegal immigrants, now can you see the difference? illegal= breaking the law. legal is OK
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 And another thing do you think they are illegal by choice ? are you under the notion that they choose to play hide and seek with the government, that if it was as easy as you said to come here legally they would choose to hop the fence, the simple fact of the matter is that we have a system for this called Asylum, which doesn't work so what are the poor people going to do, die in mexico or come here where they have chance at a better life ( the core principle of this country )
494Ibrahim 2 weeks ago
@494Ibrahim if all of the illegals in the USA formed a group and went back to mexico they could over throw their corrupt government. yes beling illegal is their choice, they come to the USA because they want to. the is the freedom of choice. but you see if all of mexico comes to the USA then we will be overrun and over populated and the USA will be turned into another mexico, and then where are they going to go
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 Of all the incredibly idiotic things you have come up with to rationalize your racism, this last one is special lunacy worthy of a new year of maniacal bigotry! You will have a hard time following it! So first, do you want all the undocumented people in the US to go to Mexico, or just the Mexicans? Do you know the population of Mexico? it is almost 114,000,000. How many farm workers do you think it takes to overthrow a government? How many construction workers? House keepers? ...
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@ginesdepasamonte i don't know what it would take to overthrow the government in mexico, but they could get together and try to take their country back instead of trying to ruin the USA. How many did it take in Lybia? i want all of the illegals that are in the USA to go back to their own country.
rosemarie443 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 The undocumented are not trying to ruin anything in the US. They do the work! How does building our roads and our cities ruin the US? How does cleaning up after us ruin the US? How does producing our food ruin the US? How does caring for our properties ruin the US? How does caring for our children ruin the US? How does gardening and lawn care ruin the US? In short, how does building the US ruin the US? You are such a racist dullard! How much racist hypocrisy can you dish out?
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@ginesdepasamonte yes the undocumented are ruining the USA, because they want & take free medical assistance, & they live off of welfare & food stamps, & sometimes free housing. i monitor illegals everyday so i know what they are doing and what they are trying to do. their working in the USA only helps the employer the people of the USA who need a job., they do not produce our food. they do not take care of the USA you seem to think that the illegal mexican is not breaking the law , but they are
rosemarie443 1 week ago
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@rosemarie443 You think it ONLY helps the employer for the undocumented to produce the food that we ALL eat? What a phony you are! You think it ONLY helps the employer for the undocumented to build the roads we ALL use? What a hypocrite you are! You think that it ONLY the employer is helped by the cities the undocumented build for the rest of us? What a dullard you turned out to be! You don't think it helps the undocumented and the rest of us? WABOS! All the economists keep proving you wrong.
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@ginesdepasamonte the reason is that the illegal mexicans are not building up the USA they are tearing it down, with the mess that they leave behind. all i want the mexicans to do is to come into the USA legally, now is that to much to ask a stupid country
rosemarie443 1 week ago
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@rosemarie443 That is your proof? A tiny piece of dessert with litter? WABOS! That matter is easily solved. Demilitarize the border and the mess is gone. You are such a racist fool. Scholars have been studying these issues for years and even the most critical agree that this immigration amounts to an overall gain for the US. Why don't you try getting your groceries at a store that only sells food produced and processed without undocumented help? Or open your own border bigot market for your ilk.
ginesdepasamonte 1 week ago
@rosemarie443 What the fuck are you talking about, they jumped over a fence and you shot them, but their crime is more horendous and they should be in court, WTF ? And second of all how the hell are they pampered, if they are illegal how could they get benefits from the government such as food stamps, welfare, and medical, you have to be a citizen to get taxpayer subsidized benefits, so the fact you think they are a leech on you is very ignorant
494Ibrahim 2 weeks ago 2
he just contracted himself by showing the definition of immigrant those people arent immigrants there ancestors were
bobbyperrault2 2 weeks ago
Any one want to know how Hawaii became a state? Pinky show has a great video that also puts a light on the HIPOCRACY of the US towards illegal immigration.
maryb5287 2 weeks ago 2
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your morons to be a immigration to one nation their must be a nation to go to so before 1776 their was NO nation here
stevenrowe48a 2 weeks ago
@stevenrowe48a There were over 500 nations! Is that what you mean?
ginesdepasamonte 2 weeks ago
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@ginesdepasamonte no their wasn't nation here tec before 1789 set up by whites #1 THERE NO writen and speaking word in Indian for word Nation or Land
stevenrowe48a 2 weeks ago
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@stevenrowe48a That is racist nonsense! Scholars have shown over and over again that the native American nations had a very clear idea of boundaries, and of trespassing those boundaries, often leading to bloody conflicts and/or intense negotiations. The racist myth to which you make reference was developed by the white communities in order to rationalize their robbery of land from those nations.
ginesdepasamonte 2 weeks ago 2
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i been in contractoring business for 30 years IT;s lot worst then seems ,,,what even more funny what about 1 million home loans as well to illegals,,oo let not forget obama turn in your junk car project 2 years ago and drive off with a 40,000 dollar car their not paying on,,only thing to save us whites have all out Civil war winner take all
stevenrowe48a 2 weeks ago
@rosemarie443 wow, you actually saying that Fox has real news? No wonder.
maryb5287 2 weeks ago
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@maryb5287 yes Fox has real news,, the only reason that you do not like Fox is because you are a democrate.
rosemarie443 2 weeks ago
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This is totally fucking idiotic.
JenniferWizdom 3 weeks ago
Thank you for making it simple for these fucking illegal immigrants to understand. You know, those called Americans
MayanMercernary 3 weeks ago
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no citizen of mexico el salvador guatemala etc is legally indigenous, they are citizens of mexico el salvador guatemala etc. when they are born in one country and take its citizenship they are no longer legally "native" or "indigenous" especially in the united states where NO ONE GETS SPECIAL TREATMENT JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR. if you believe they should get special rights and immunity from the law just because of their skin color then this puts you in the same category as the kkk.
JimyRoss 3 weeks ago
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Right! Unusual remarks on this video once again.
altonmiranda49 3 weeks ago
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can you say treason kids?lets kid the feds involved.A penny for the old guy.
LaniRockster 3 weeks ago
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1,308 people aren't fucking retarded.
ZERO1344 1 month ago
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The coming second great depression is going to resolve the illegal immigration crisis.Millions of immigrants, Hispanic or other will be forced to return to their home countries for lack of jobs as the unemployment reaches 25 to 30%. If they go now they have a chance of finding work to whether the crisis. If they stay they'll have nothing here and nothing when they have to return home anyway.Immigrants from all continents will be caught up in this catastrophy,not just Hispanics.Go now to survive
amerlibmov 1 month ago
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TOTAL BULLSHIT.
rsotis 1 month ago
One of the cutest things is how they look all cute yet their talking about some deep shit.
This is so cute. Pinky looks just like my cat
OrgasmicPancakes 1 month ago
Why are you people arguing about illegal immigration and shit in the comments?
DID YOU NOT SEE THIS VIDEO? Its the cutest shit ever. I wont be able to get over this forever.
Its cats with little voices and names and stuff oh my god. Shut the fuck up
OrgasmicPancakes 1 month ago
I'm going to test viewers behavior, I'm a Mexican American.
unknowndude941 1 month ago
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How does the European colonization of Native Indians justify a second settlement onto the same land? It sounds as though you simply use the European immigration as an excuse to justify MORE non-Native and non-European immigration.
Do two wrongs make a right, or are you just anti-White?
AIexKidd 1 month ago
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all you cons and pros piss me off!!! just let the world be with all its haters and ppl who have no right way of thinking. People like you and me make laws. Who do we thrust? Who do we believe? WHO IS RIGHT? What I do know is that the world was created for animals to live on it, including humans, but I also believe that TO LIVE WHEREVER YOU WANT ON THIS EARTH IS A FUCKING HUMAN RIGHT! DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR!? HUMAN RIIIIIGHT!!!!!
lion53boy 1 month ago
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lion53boy 1 month ago
JOBS IN MEXICO !!!!
bsexpose 1 month ago
so tough shit
JimyRoss 1 month ago
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illegal immigrants arent native, they are citizens of a different country. if legally they were native then that argument would hold water but since they are mexican, guatemalan, hunduran etc they are not "native" legally they are citzens of mexico, guatemala, honduras etc. they may be ethnically native, but unfortunately for them in this country no one gets special treatment simply due to their skin color or ethnicity.
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scorpiozargos 1 month ago
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they need to fix their own problems instead of moronically dumping them off into the neighbors yard and pretending they're fixed. eventually the neighbor will get pissed off and that does not make him or her a "racist" or a "bigot" grow a brain
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the people need to stop and fix what they are fleeing from in countries they are fleeing. giving them a constant place to flee will not fix anything, it only prolongs suffering in the countries they are fleeing forever until the end of time as moronic buffoons like ginesdepasamonte would have it.
JimyRoss 1 month ago
@JimyRoss There is a certain justice in the sequence of events here. Much of what the immigrants are leaving their native countries for, came to be thanks in large part to the policies of the nation to which they are immigrating. Some fe force to come, some we encourage to come, some we beg to come, and some we left with no other choice but to come. Make them as you like them, or like them as you make them.
ginesdepasamonte 1 month ago
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@ginesdepasamonte they need to fix the problems in their own countries instead of forever running from them like pathetic losers. running away does not solve anything that just lets it continue and this is how you like it because you "Make them as you like them, or like them as you make them." your solution leads to civil unrest racism and eventually war while you sit here like a fat turd and call everyone racist who wants laws followed. you have serious mental problems.
JimyRoss 1 month ago
@JimyRoss WABOS! You have just made an argument against the making of the US. You are such a bloody idiot! These people have no political voice. The US has far more to say about what goes on in Mexico than these undocumented workers ever did, and the US has created the situation far more than has Mexico. Few are running away from anything. That is your bigotry talking. The US begged them to come, over and over and over... The attention now is in order to mobilize the bigot vote for the GOP: You.
ginesdepasamonte 1 month ago
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@ginesdepasamonte ya they should really do something to fix those problems instead of running from them like a bunch of spineless insects.
JimyRoss 1 month ago
@JimyRoss You are referring to the founding fathers, of course? Not very respectful...
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@ginesdepasamonte if illegals want to be treated like humans then they should act like humans and immigrate legally and not act like "cattle," as you put it.
JimyRoss 1 month ago
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@ginesdepasamonte running... to the place thats apparently causing all the problems????? GENIUS! they are inept to solve their own problems that their fault, not ours.
JimyRoss 1 month ago
@JimyRoss Such are the laws of nature. If one takes away the pasture, only an idiot like JimyRoss would not expect the cattle to come to the trough.
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