Good ear. Yes the lipstick camera is mounted on the front bumper, but the microphone is in the cockpit. You are hearing what the driver hears including the sound of the gravel coming off the tires pelting the underside.
A few years later, the microphone was mounted three inches above the tail pipe and can be heard in several of the other videos posted of this car ("RUF CTR2sport Running with Ferrari 333SPS" and "RUF CTR2sport Rennsport Reunion II")
Good ear. Yes the lipstick camera is mounted on the front bumper, but the microphone is in the cockpit. You are hearing what the driver hears including the sound of the gravel coming off the tires pelting the underside.
A few years later, the microphone was mounted three inches above the tail pipe and can be heard in several of the other videos posted of this car ("RUF CTR2sport Running with Ferrari 333SPS" and "RUF CTR2sport Rennsport Reunion II")
Nice video. Shame that the car doesn't sound as fast as it is actually going and if you notice carefully, you can "feel" the turbo lag everytime it comes out of a tight bend. Don't know if that can be avoided by keeping in a lower gear to maintain higher revs when cornering.
Jeff Zwart driving his 1990 Porsche C4 Pro Rally race car. This was amazing considering that in practice, he had a serious off into the trees, yet was able to rebuild his car in the hotel parking garage in time to qualify the next day!
there is a guy with a porsche. who competes there profesionally. he wins often the 2wd class. why... rear engine uphill 2wd. very good he is. wins often he does. FWD and uphill, forget it. been there. done that.
Yep, during the first day of practice in 1997 I took a brand new RUF CTR2sport off on a fast but twisty part just past the Picnic Ground straight. Luckily, the pine trees gave way and slowed the speed down and the car came to a rest 20 or so feet down head first into a boulder.
But RUFs are tough. All the mechanicals withstood the shunt and it took about 8 rolls of duct tape to put the shattered front bumper cover back together.
Pretty cool, you're right about the angle, it really gives you a sense of speed. I was one of those people that pronounced it as "rough". and I stand corrected now. But I could have sworn I've heard Motor Trend TV or one of those TV journalists say it that way.
Trust! There is no crowd control, but the event attracts only the most hardcore fans because fans have to be through the gate by something like 8am and then they can't come down off the mountain until the last race cars returns from the summit at day's end.
In my years running Pikes, cars on the course were never a problem. Fans coming on course is a different story. A few fans each year will stand on the road and play dodge with oncoming racers or just try to get really close to be supportive.
Not too unlike "Running of the Bulls" in Spain, only at Pikes Peak the cars are the bulls.
Yep, as per the short description of the vid, it was a lipstick camera mounted to the front bumper. It's the only camera position I've found that captures the sense of speed as the driver experiences it.
Thank You! Some have posted that Im driving is too slow, so I appreciate your suspicion that the video is speed up to be faster than reality!
The video is indeed actual real-time: This is clip 1 of 2 and in it, I cross the Starts timing light at 16 seconds on the timeline and this clip ends at 8:00 between two switchbacks in the "W's", so that nets 7:44 seconds.
Clip 2 of 2 picks up exacting where clip 1 ends in the "W's" and I cross the finish line at 4:30 on the time light.
Add the two segments together and the total time on tape from start to finish is 12 minutes and 14 seconds. The official race results from 1994 show this RUF finished in 2nd place in the Open division in 12 minutes, 14 seconds (12:14). The videos timeline is on the nuts.
What is probably throwing you off is that most people shoot their in-car from a camera mounted in the cockpit. And, as any one who races will confirm, that angle does not capture the sense of speed as the driver experiences it. This footage was shot from a lipstick camera mounted to the front bumper 12 off the ground as this is the only vantage point that captures the sense of speed as the driver experiences it.
I thought I turned in a pretty fast run, so I am glad you thought so too.
Yes it is definately the camer position that throws ppl off, it is a unique camera angle that we rarely get to see, at first i thought it looked sped up, but no, your just fast!
Porsche has a long history of hillclimbing,rally racing,and paris-dakaar racing. A little bit of dirt or sand never hurt anybody.( especially agolf gti.)
Hell, man. Porsche used the 959 to take the victory in the Paris-Dakar rally and those beasts were hardly raced in any other event. Posche used to be big in rally. I think they still campaign Cayennes in the Dakar.
I see your point. Can you explain that technique (Swedish Pendulum)? It sounds as though the driver would rock the car onto one steering wheel for most of the steering as they rock back and forth through the turns quickly, or by just steering quickly onto that wheel.
Swedish Pendulum (also referred to as the Finnish Pendulum) is a std rally technique to get the car rotating for a sharp turn. Let's say you are coming into a lefthand turn, you'd lift off the gas abruptly (transfers weight off of the rears and onto the fronts) as you crack the wheel to the right. As soon as the car takes a set with the rear kicked out, you jump back on to hard throttle as you crank the steering wheel from right all the way over to the left
and you'll find yourself in a fun power drift that you control with steering and/or throttle applications. Once you hit your apex, let her straighten out and off you go. If you live in the north, try it on a frozen lake or a snow covered parking lot. If not, a gravel parking lot or dirt field lot works. It's easy to master with a front-engine rear drive, but pretty easy with front-engine front and all wheel drive. Rear-engine, rear-drive takes a bit more practice.
Very interesting!!! You have really done your homework!!! In the early days of aviation, they quickly dropped the water-cooled engines with radiators and their many problems as impractical with aircraft. :)
As far as any connection to RUF, well, everything is related to everything else in many ways. Why is RUF so important? What about Porsche's rear-engined rear wheel drive design and the aerodynamics? I think that that is the most important thing here. That is my opinion anyway. Maybe RUF is important because they keep up the good work of having this design and even improving upon it? Anyway geography is fun too.
RUF torque is a big plus as is an air cooled engine. The air is thin, so the ability to dissipate heat is diminished. For example, this RUF runs lap after lap at track events all over the country without brake fade issues. But at the altitude of Pikes Peak the Castrol SRF brake fluid (wet boiling point of 518 degrees)would be boiling by the summit and there are issues slowing the car down after the checkered as there is not much space at the summit.
So it's even worse for engine cooling at least for the water-cooled engines. But the CTR2 has great oil coolers and a big one inside the front bumper cover with a provision for air to flow out after the intercooler, so we never had a engine temp issue.
RUF builds his engines for torque and specifically for a very flat torque curve, so power and driveablity are great.
The big drawback is the rear engine configuration. I love the 40/60 weight split for track, but at Pikes Peak you're racing up a hill, so all the weight is on the rears - great for traction (even with AWD) and a thrill to drive on the fast sweepers, but nasty to turn in the steep climbing switch backs of the "W's". With virtually no weight on the front wheels, the resulting understeer is a painfully slow way to go. Conversely, the Swedish pendulum technique is a trick option.
To memorize this track? Well, I do not have the medical capability of going on it again, but your question is in jest, right? Anyway I did study where Glen Cove was on here and certain other landmarks but I no longer have any of my Pikes Peak booklets. I have Asperger's Syndrome also and so I may see things differently anyway. I also meant started to mass produce FEFWD cars that I read in FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CARS in 1985. I think the VW411 would be a terrific car to mass produce again. :)
It's a little tricky as so many corners look the same, but it's not that hard to memorize because it's a public road which can be pre-run many times at a snails pace. It's a tourist attraction, so most go slower than the 25mph posted speed limit as they take in the views, and it's even slower on the way down as most go down in low gear as to not over heat the brakes.
For example, in the top third a huge rock had been working it's way to the surface just after the apex of a very fast down-hill, right-hand sweeper just after the road transitions from downhill to uphill so the car picks up extra traction in the compression. But that rock worked its way up past the surface enough that I could not longer go over it and had to switch to a less favorable line to go around it.
The real trick is not only to memorize the corners but to also memorize the characteristics of each corner (i.e., on-camber vs. off, increasing radius vs decreasing).
The condition of the road can change radically from year-to-year, so it's important then keep track of unusual characteristics unique to each year.
Not online. I've got tons of other race footage including the Virginia City Hill Climb and editing them for YouTube is certainly on my To Do list. Thanks for the prompt as I will try to get to it soon.
how do you know what type of corner comes next and in what gear to attack it? beacause I have seen in other vids that there are no co-pilots in the cars
Yes, it is one of the two that were built with AWD. And if you are a Porsche nut, it was the 964's mechanical awd system as I am not a fan of the viscus awd system that came on the 993.
The footage is not speed up - its real time. Race results from the year this was shot, 1994, show this RUF CTR finished 2nd in the Open Division with a time of 12:14. Now put a stopwatch on the video from the moment it crosses the start line (which is under the white "Start" banner a couple of hundred feet
past the starting flagger)until the car crosses the finish which very close to the checker flagger - 12:14. It's realtime. The abrassssss sound you are referring to are the turbo wastegates dumping boost every time I roll off the throttle - and you can tell, I rolled off the throttle a lot!
It must be weird to feel the horsepower melting away as you gain altitude, I guess with the turbo it's not as bad but there must still be quite a bit of hp loss.
This game is called The Reality!!!! The graphic is realistic and so are the sounds!!! But if you hit a tree or just have a crash you cannot just press restart.......
Actually it's like going from about 53 degrees North (equivalent climates) to about 83 degrees North Latitude in 12 minutes, or about 10,000 miles per hour!!!!!
I have been up Pikes Peak twice, in 1977 and 1984, and I lve Porsches with rear engines only. I do not have a Porsche, just a Matchbox one...
I drove a 1972 VW411 for years in the 1980s and I have never had an accident driving for 20 years in this cold, snowy climate of Cheyenne, Wyoming. I have not had a working car since 2001 though.
Just forget my little pun, I haven't seen much common between a RUF and your geographical computations. I admid a rear engine, read drive car is useful in snowy conditions but personally I would choose a way more stable FF or AWD anytime.
That's fine, I just thought it was an interesting thing, going to colder and colder climates as you go up Pikes Peak. It makes the video even more interesting because geography is involved/can have a class about it. I did research papers on it twice (on climatology). As far as cars, I still prefer rear-engined rear wheel drive, having driven three many times (RERWD and front engined rear wheel drive and front engined front wheel drive).
Also, I say that front-engined front wheel drive places way too much on the front tires to accomplish safely. There is just not enough friction/power for that type to work safely in a race. They have to support the weight of the engine, drive, and steer and brake, which taxes that system to the limit before the braking and steering is available. It was a cost-saving measure when they staretd to mass produce front engined front wheel drive cars. I think I read that in FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CARS.
I also wanted to add that Ferdinand Porsche was a racing engineer who I believe designed the VW Beetle also, for 1937 and beyond, and also that all-wheel drive (although I've never tried it) may be a valid substitute for rearwheel drive, except the economy might not be as good. However, economy and safety are always important with makers of German and Swedish (among other) cars, such as Audis, BMWs, VWs, Mercedes Benzes, Saabs, and Volvos.
I drove VWs for almost all of my twenty years of driving. I never had an accident, and rear-engined rear-wheel drive is the best I say. There is no substitute.
RUF rates the CTR at 469hp, and Alois Ruf tends to understate his power ratings. The real secret of RUF cars is not the peak HP numbers, but rather the focus on creating fabulous linear torque curves.
This car happens to be one of two AWD CTR variants built. I think FlamerKs is thinking of the awesome RUF Rturbo conversion package.
You are right in that virtually all CTRs are rear drive, but this is one of the two Alois Ruf built that are AWD.
As you pointed out, the rear-engine configuration is less than ideal for a hill climb because so much weight sits on the rear axle when going up hill that it was very difficult to build any meaningful temperatures into the front tires let alone let alone have front end grip. As a result, rotating the car is best accomplished with the right foot.
lol thats slow driving if you ask me, with porsches you need to push hard for them to go fast, but you need to be as good as vatanen too! to control them hehe
Pretty much the standard safety features that SCCA and other race sanctioning bodies require (i.e., full cage, fuel cell, fire suppression). Pikes Peak has a few odd ones as well. For example, the battery must be in a battery box somewhat like a marine battery box so that if the car rolls, battery acid does not leak out and harm the forest.
And from a performance standpoint, it is no surprise that the 9,000 to 14,000 foot elevation deprives engines of power-producing oxygen, but what is less widely known is that the "thin" air not only reducing power output, it also reducing cooling power. Take brakes as an example. Although we don't use brakes much climbing up this mountain, it was always amazing that many competitors would experience mild to severe brake fade by the top third.
The timing is about right to Glen Cove guys.....I'd say not speeded up and if you think it is it's because the camera looks like it was inside the bumper nearer to ground level. At over 5 1/2 minutes to that spot - he's slower than the stock cars. If you want to see how to take this road correctly - Google Clint or Leonard "Vahsholtz" At least this is when it was still the "real" hill climb road - all dirt!
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sweetgirl51530 9 months ago
Good driver very smooth.
rowgun500 11 months ago
I would have shit myself numerous times if I had been in that car.
mikeb23ft 1 year ago
Outstanding.
SportsCarAdvisors 1 year ago
love the sound the turbo makes... piyu piyu
operationcwaI789789 1 year ago
The engine doesn't sound well because Porsche motors are in rear, and the camera is in front of the car.
Zwbxhpt 1 year ago 4
Good ear. Yes the lipstick camera is mounted on the front bumper, but the microphone is in the cockpit. You are hearing what the driver hears including the sound of the gravel coming off the tires pelting the underside.
A few years later, the microphone was mounted three inches above the tail pipe and can be heard in several of the other videos posted of this car ("RUF CTR2sport Running with Ferrari 333SPS" and "RUF CTR2sport Rennsport Reunion II")
yellowbirdCTR 1 year ago
Good ear. Yes the lipstick camera is mounted on the front bumper, but the microphone is in the cockpit. You are hearing what the driver hears including the sound of the gravel coming off the tires pelting the underside.
A few years later, the microphone was mounted three inches above the tail pipe and can be heard in several of the other videos posted of this car ("RUF CTR2sport Running with Ferrari 333SPS" and "RUF CTR2sport Rennsport Reunion II")
yellowbirdCTR 1 year ago
Nice video. Shame that the car doesn't sound as fast as it is actually going and if you notice carefully, you can "feel" the turbo lag everytime it comes out of a tight bend. Don't know if that can be avoided by keeping in a lower gear to maintain higher revs when cornering.
androoks 1 year ago
props dude ruf is here near me in dallas - makes me want to go get one.
markbuiltme 2 years ago
not a bad drive ! big respect !
stresser87 2 years ago
incredible, the sound of the turbo wastegate, when change gear, incredible RUF CTR "Yellowbird"
HieloNocturno 2 years ago
isn't that the blow off valve?
simaojrcosta 2 years ago
Im going to start racing my jeep eagle next year
brucekirk89 2 years ago
that BOV sounds amazing. I wish my CBV had a similar sound.
USGiorgi 2 years ago 2
twin turbo? there is a secondary noise.
boxer3main 2 years ago
crazy blow off valve, yellowbird fits nice, ruf is awesome! must have a good turbo, of course she has been ruf'd!
boredmud 2 years ago
the amazing thing is the engine does not seem under stress or load... peaw peaww
bizzyfingers 2 years ago
Dang, I was about to say that too but you beat me to it. ;) Indeed no stress on the engine, an abundance of power & torque
superallye 2 years ago
How did the car place? Looks very fast.
dogisrain 2 years ago
The RUF finished 2nd in the Open Division.
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
do you know by any chance who finished first?
cheers
anpk667 2 years ago
Jeff Zwart driving his 1990 Porsche C4 Pro Rally race car. This was amazing considering that in practice, he had a serious off into the trees, yet was able to rebuild his car in the hotel parking garage in time to qualify the next day!
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
pew pew, love the sound of the bov
n3ffo 2 years ago
there is a guy with a porsche. who competes there profesionally. he wins often the 2wd class. why... rear engine uphill 2wd. very good he is. wins often he does. FWD and uphill, forget it. been there. done that.
12valvepower1 2 years ago
steve, she chirps like a canary. ahah. nice work
12valvepower1 2 years ago
hence the name yellowbird.
pivotous 2 years ago
yes. extremely hallowed in some circles.
12valvepower1 2 years ago
is pikes peak America's nurburgring? i know the ring isn't a hill climb event but do American petrol heads see pikes peak as hallowed ground????
sickpup4 2 years ago 2
let me drive !!!!
mycatwilatackyou 2 years ago
turbo sings
zollimo 2 years ago
Buyer right here. I want to track down this car.
HyperZCar 2 years ago
Where is this RUF know man, I love the sound of it.
BarmielNagisa 2 years ago
She's retired and living the pampered life as part of a private collection of noteworthy exotics in Texas
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
ever had any close calls
bolillo239 2 years ago
Yep, during the first day of practice in 1997 I took a brand new RUF CTR2sport off on a fast but twisty part just past the Picnic Ground straight. Luckily, the pine trees gave way and slowed the speed down and the car came to a rest 20 or so feet down head first into a boulder.
But RUFs are tough. All the mechanicals withstood the shunt and it took about 8 rolls of duct tape to put the shattered front bumper cover back together.
The car went on to take 2nd in the Open division.
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
Love the genuine canary-blow-off-valve
aalexsuprun 2 years ago
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aalexsuprun 2 years ago
Pretty cool, you're right about the angle, it really gives you a sense of speed. I was one of those people that pronounced it as "rough". and I stand corrected now. But I could have sworn I've heard Motor Trend TV or one of those TV journalists say it that way.
bigredchevytruck 2 years ago
How do they keep other cars off the road? There are so many people with their cars on the way up!!
ozwasp 2 years ago
Trust! There is no crowd control, but the event attracts only the most hardcore fans because fans have to be through the gate by something like 8am and then they can't come down off the mountain until the last race cars returns from the summit at day's end.
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
Countless stars!!! nice video you got there.
supertrix101 2 years ago
In my years running Pikes, cars on the course were never a problem. Fans coming on course is a different story. A few fans each year will stand on the road and play dodge with oncoming racers or just try to get really close to be supportive.
Not too unlike "Running of the Bulls" in Spain, only at Pikes Peak the cars are the bulls.
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
..this isn't in-car anything. this is.. on the front of the car.
ILykToDoDuhDrifting 2 years ago
Yep, as per the short description of the vid, it was a lipstick camera mounted to the front bumper. It's the only camera position I've found that captures the sense of speed as the driver experiences it.
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
(twin turbo)..........hey dude ur turbos have sucked birds...hahah let them go ;p ;p just kidding its a great car...
grbravoz 2 years ago
Just curious, but how is Ruf pronounced? Is it pronounced like "roof" or "rough"? Awesome videos by the way.
DrunkenMcWasted 2 years ago
Yep, "Roof" as in the top of a house is correct
yellowbirdCTR 2 years ago
Ah, I see. That's what I thought it was, but wasn't sure. Thanks.
DrunkenMcWasted 2 years ago
The bov sound too annoying... had to stop the video.
Nopiw 2 years ago
That sound is the twin turbos! I happen to own the sister car!
rufcar 2 years ago
yea whatever
The annoying sound comes from the bov.
Nopiw 2 years ago
Those BOV's sound beast! Have any info on them, or a place where can i get one?
1973camarolt 3 years ago
clip 1 of 2, where is clip 2?
GTFORDMAN 3 years ago
To make it easier to find, I just put posted it above as a video response
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
cheers mate :-)
GTFORDMAN 3 years ago
Nice clip. Is this one of the Beddor"s? "sorry for spelling"
ATeFFT22 3 years ago
Yeah, that's one of Steve's runs.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
Funny sounding BOV's.
ppappixx 3 years ago
I think that's why they called it the "yellowbird" - 'cause it sounds like one.
orthopod666 2 years ago
porsche power. i loooooooove german cars.
12valvepower1 3 years ago
the yellow canary. hahahhaahhahahahah. shirp sheeep chirp sheep.
12valvepower1 3 years ago
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this video is fake
kalzx 3 years ago
Fake as in altered, fake as in lame, or something else???
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
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fake as in not real the tape has been spead up you no never happened
kalzx 3 years ago
Thank You! Some have posted that Im driving is too slow, so I appreciate your suspicion that the video is speed up to be faster than reality!
The video is indeed actual real-time: This is clip 1 of 2 and in it, I cross the Starts timing light at 16 seconds on the timeline and this clip ends at 8:00 between two switchbacks in the "W's", so that nets 7:44 seconds.
Clip 2 of 2 picks up exacting where clip 1 ends in the "W's" and I cross the finish line at 4:30 on the time light.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
Add the two segments together and the total time on tape from start to finish is 12 minutes and 14 seconds. The official race results from 1994 show this RUF finished in 2nd place in the Open division in 12 minutes, 14 seconds (12:14). The videos timeline is on the nuts.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
What is probably throwing you off is that most people shoot their in-car from a camera mounted in the cockpit. And, as any one who races will confirm, that angle does not capture the sense of speed as the driver experiences it. This footage was shot from a lipstick camera mounted to the front bumper 12 off the ground as this is the only vantage point that captures the sense of speed as the driver experiences it.
I thought I turned in a pretty fast run, so I am glad you thought so too.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
Yes it is definately the camer position that throws ppl off, it is a unique camera angle that we rarely get to see, at first i thought it looked sped up, but no, your just fast!
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thedeclineproduction 3 years ago
luger911. spelling is not your strong suit.
ridedirtba 3 years ago 2
Porsche has a long history of hillclimbing,rally racing,and paris-dakaar racing. A little bit of dirt or sand never hurt anybody.( especially agolf gti.)
ridedirtba 3 years ago
if it was me, the altitude would've interfered with my driving half way through..slowed down/crashed.
mo28mabini 3 years ago
i would never take a Porsche......err RUF onto dirt roads. i wont even take my Glf GTi on one
ducatiracing 3 years ago
i would. hell, i would take a Bugatti Veyron offroad if i had one(4wd, ftw!!!)!
pivotous 3 years ago
Dude, I even using bike to catch adrenalin. Imagine to drive this, or that from Insane hill climbing!!
Awesom
hasnfefer 3 years ago
Hell, man. Porsche used the 959 to take the victory in the Paris-Dakar rally and those beasts were hardly raced in any other event. Posche used to be big in rally. I think they still campaign Cayennes in the Dakar.
sharkythesharkdogg 2 years ago
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booring :)
DrumL3000 3 years ago
go to hell, porsche and ruf are awesome!
pivotous 3 years ago
Those blow of valves really does sound like a canary and that helped it get the nickname of Yellowbird
Detoyato 3 years ago 2
and car and drive(if im not confunding) test one apinted in yellow
that day(of the test) the sky was clean, and the sun there, so they put that name or somethig like it in the magazine
and the fan liked...
Luger911 3 years ago
Porsche is very gooood even in highway with earth
fidivo 3 years ago
I see your point. Can you explain that technique (Swedish Pendulum)? It sounds as though the driver would rock the car onto one steering wheel for most of the steering as they rock back and forth through the turns quickly, or by just steering quickly onto that wheel.
IQ136 3 years ago
Swedish Pendulum (also referred to as the Finnish Pendulum) is a std rally technique to get the car rotating for a sharp turn. Let's say you are coming into a lefthand turn, you'd lift off the gas abruptly (transfers weight off of the rears and onto the fronts) as you crack the wheel to the right. As soon as the car takes a set with the rear kicked out, you jump back on to hard throttle as you crank the steering wheel from right all the way over to the left
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
and you'll find yourself in a fun power drift that you control with steering and/or throttle applications. Once you hit your apex, let her straighten out and off you go. If you live in the north, try it on a frozen lake or a snow covered parking lot. If not, a gravel parking lot or dirt field lot works. It's easy to master with a front-engine rear drive, but pretty easy with front-engine front and all wheel drive. Rear-engine, rear-drive takes a bit more practice.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
Very interesting!!! You have really done your homework!!! In the early days of aviation, they quickly dropped the water-cooled engines with radiators and their many problems as impractical with aircraft. :)
IQ136 3 years ago
RUF is important here; I apologize if I was misunderstood or made a mistake. Making Porsches is alright in my book for all time!!!
IQ136 3 years ago
As far as any connection to RUF, well, everything is related to everything else in many ways. Why is RUF so important? What about Porsche's rear-engined rear wheel drive design and the aerodynamics? I think that that is the most important thing here. That is my opinion anyway. Maybe RUF is important because they keep up the good work of having this design and even improving upon it? Anyway geography is fun too.
IQ136 3 years ago
RUF torque is a big plus as is an air cooled engine. The air is thin, so the ability to dissipate heat is diminished. For example, this RUF runs lap after lap at track events all over the country without brake fade issues. But at the altitude of Pikes Peak the Castrol SRF brake fluid (wet boiling point of 518 degrees)would be boiling by the summit and there are issues slowing the car down after the checkered as there is not much space at the summit.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
So it's even worse for engine cooling at least for the water-cooled engines. But the CTR2 has great oil coolers and a big one inside the front bumper cover with a provision for air to flow out after the intercooler, so we never had a engine temp issue.
RUF builds his engines for torque and specifically for a very flat torque curve, so power and driveablity are great.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
The big drawback is the rear engine configuration. I love the 40/60 weight split for track, but at Pikes Peak you're racing up a hill, so all the weight is on the rears - great for traction (even with AWD) and a thrill to drive on the fast sweepers, but nasty to turn in the steep climbing switch backs of the "W's". With virtually no weight on the front wheels, the resulting understeer is a painfully slow way to go. Conversely, the Swedish pendulum technique is a trick option.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
Another technique is the Scandanavian Flick.
Detoyato 3 years ago
By the way, how long does it take to you to memorize the track?
RimmerTube 3 years ago
To memorize this track? Well, I do not have the medical capability of going on it again, but your question is in jest, right? Anyway I did study where Glen Cove was on here and certain other landmarks but I no longer have any of my Pikes Peak booklets. I have Asperger's Syndrome also and so I may see things differently anyway. I also meant started to mass produce FEFWD cars that I read in FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CARS in 1985. I think the VW411 would be a terrific car to mass produce again. :)
IQ136 3 years ago
It's a little tricky as so many corners look the same, but it's not that hard to memorize because it's a public road which can be pre-run many times at a snails pace. It's a tourist attraction, so most go slower than the 25mph posted speed limit as they take in the views, and it's even slower on the way down as most go down in low gear as to not over heat the brakes.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
For example, in the top third a huge rock had been working it's way to the surface just after the apex of a very fast down-hill, right-hand sweeper just after the road transitions from downhill to uphill so the car picks up extra traction in the compression. But that rock worked its way up past the surface enough that I could not longer go over it and had to switch to a less favorable line to go around it.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
I see; I thought this track is off limits normally, thinking of a race track.
RimmerTube 3 years ago
The real trick is not only to memorize the corners but to also memorize the characteristics of each corner (i.e., on-camber vs. off, increasing radius vs decreasing).
The condition of the road can change radically from year-to-year, so it's important then keep track of unusual characteristics unique to each year.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
porsches (other than audis and subarus) are the best at rally events i think :D
sjcgeek3 3 years ago
I love the sound of those Boxer engines... That's some seriously smooth driving man. Respect.
garamanth 3 years ago 5
Btw steve do you any footage of the other hill climbs you competed in?
Petrolhead1984 3 years ago
Not online. I've got tons of other race footage including the Virginia City Hill Climb and editing them for YouTube is certainly on my To Do list. Thanks for the prompt as I will try to get to it soon.
yellowbirdCTR 3 years ago
what is the difference between a Porsche and a Ruf?
MCmoney444 3 years ago
Ruf is a porsche tuning house, a Ruf ctr is a modded 911
charlestheman69 3 years ago
Ruf makes their own cars only the bare bodyshell is from porsche they make the rest in the ruf factory
Petrolhead1984 3 years ago
No, Ruf uses a lot of customized Porsche parts in their cars...
tokyosmash 3 years ago
porsche carrera 4
12valvepower1 3 years ago
tweeting yellow bird
12valvepower1 3 years ago
Wow respect to the driver.
guReMcO 3 years ago
nice
moosemousecar 3 years ago
This race has become an obsession of mine.
godboy50 3 years ago
good stuff..awsum..
minyiphillbillieslol 3 years ago
Hey guys! I'm a big car enthusiast from Germany...but I've got a problem!!!
There aren't any books about the pikes peak hill climb available in Germany. :-(.
Does someone of own a good book, with all the technical details about the attending cars and so on...
It would be fantastic if someone could give me informations.
Thanks
ElAlgasiras 3 years ago
I love the sound the blow off valve makes, it sounds...well...like a bird...hahahaha
27722700 3 years ago 2
how do you know what type of corner comes next and in what gear to attack it? beacause I have seen in other vids that there are no co-pilots in the cars
djtood 4 years ago 2
That's one of the great thrills/challenges of Pikes Peak - You've got to memorize 156 corners!
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
nice!
is that CRT AWD?
AccAkut1987 4 years ago
Yes, it is one of the two that were built with AWD. And if you are a Porsche nut, it was the 964's mechanical awd system as I am not a fan of the viscus awd system that came on the 993.
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
oh i ve read about that....it was that awd system that was acting like it knew when the car would oversteer.....
sorti89 3 years ago
this is the effect of a really low mounted camera !!!
god i love the yellowbird's bov !!!
really sounds like a canary !!
rx7outlaw 4 years ago
It a real Ruf diving up pikes peak.
khrisinfo 4 years ago
Yeah spell it right - Colin McRae
Jeeeezzz!!
jaf01uk 4 years ago
monopalla
bergomynkia 4 years ago
shit
nismolord 4 years ago
its NOT A GAME! but it is ACCELERATTED the image listen to the sound....abrassssssss
brunomr 4 years ago
The footage is not speed up - its real time. Race results from the year this was shot, 1994, show this RUF CTR finished 2nd in the Open Division with a time of 12:14. Now put a stopwatch on the video from the moment it crosses the start line (which is under the white "Start" banner a couple of hundred feet
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
past the starting flagger)until the car crosses the finish which very close to the checker flagger - 12:14. It's realtime. The abrassssss sound you are referring to are the turbo wastegates dumping boost every time I roll off the throttle - and you can tell, I rolled off the throttle a lot!
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
It must be weird to feel the horsepower melting away as you gain altitude, I guess with the turbo it's not as bad but there must still be quite a bit of hp loss.
Obelix6 4 years ago
yea thats no game. just 13 year old video quality :/
greenstreak9205 4 years ago
it's not a game xD
Matjex 4 years ago
Lionel Regal makes Georg Plasa look like a nancy boy.
unconvinced 4 years ago
r u for real?
xshishx 4 years ago
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wow what game is it? Very realistic graphics. Looks better thant Collin mac rae Dirt
Spetznaz 4 years ago
ever heard of reality?
LiaJK 4 years ago 3
:P Im joking
Spetznaz 4 years ago 2
This game is called The Reality!!!! The graphic is realistic and so are the sounds!!! But if you hit a tree or just have a crash you cannot just press restart.......
Tommy493 4 years ago
right on m8.
importpunch 4 years ago
Hey, his right!!...it does look like a game!!...
vangtran 4 years ago
Please spell Colin Mcrae's name right next time please?
Nile528 4 years ago
I would build a BMW/JUDD just to get rid of the annoying TWEETY BIRD sounds from the rear deck ;)
TheRealInvaderZim 4 years ago
Looks like alot of fun ,although almost civialized compared to Georg Plasa and his BMW/JUDD in hill climb events in europe
TheRealInvaderZim 4 years ago
Actually it's like going from about 53 degrees North (equivalent climates) to about 83 degrees North Latitude in 12 minutes, or about 10,000 miles per hour!!!!!
IQ136 4 years ago
You are soooo smart! I may not be gifted with such an intelligence, tell me: is there any connection to RUF cars or Pikes Peak?
RimmerTube 3 years ago
I have been up Pikes Peak twice, in 1977 and 1984, and I lve Porsches with rear engines only. I do not have a Porsche, just a Matchbox one...
I drove a 1972 VW411 for years in the 1980s and I have never had an accident driving for 20 years in this cold, snowy climate of Cheyenne, Wyoming. I have not had a working car since 2001 though.
IQ136 3 years ago
Just forget my little pun, I haven't seen much common between a RUF and your geographical computations. I admid a rear engine, read drive car is useful in snowy conditions but personally I would choose a way more stable FF or AWD anytime.
RimmerTube 3 years ago
That's fine, I just thought it was an interesting thing, going to colder and colder climates as you go up Pikes Peak. It makes the video even more interesting because geography is involved/can have a class about it. I did research papers on it twice (on climatology). As far as cars, I still prefer rear-engined rear wheel drive, having driven three many times (RERWD and front engined rear wheel drive and front engined front wheel drive).
IQ136 3 years ago
Also, I say that front-engined front wheel drive places way too much on the front tires to accomplish safely. There is just not enough friction/power for that type to work safely in a race. They have to support the weight of the engine, drive, and steer and brake, which taxes that system to the limit before the braking and steering is available. It was a cost-saving measure when they staretd to mass produce front engined front wheel drive cars. I think I read that in FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CARS.
IQ136 3 years ago
Notice the trees (colder and colder climates) as you go up. This is the rough equivalent of going north at about 5,250 miles per hour!!!
IQ136 4 years ago
I also wanted to add that Ferdinand Porsche was a racing engineer who I believe designed the VW Beetle also, for 1937 and beyond, and also that all-wheel drive (although I've never tried it) may be a valid substitute for rearwheel drive, except the economy might not be as good. However, economy and safety are always important with makers of German and Swedish (among other) cars, such as Audis, BMWs, VWs, Mercedes Benzes, Saabs, and Volvos.
IQ136 4 years ago
I drove VWs for almost all of my twenty years of driving. I never had an accident, and rear-engined rear-wheel drive is the best I say. There is no substitute.
IQ136 4 years ago
that wastegate's really anoying.. ;)
silvertoast 4 years ago
I think the dropoff would be alot more anoying than the wastegate's noise...hehe
ozwrp10 4 years ago
How about you E-Mail Me at pikachu1355@yahoo . ca?
pikachu1357 4 years ago
wow how much hp does the CTR have?
metalicsupra 4 years ago
~550hp (twin turbo+4wd system)
does 0-60 in 2.8
magnificent
FlamerK6 4 years ago
RUF rates the CTR at 469hp, and Alois Ruf tends to understate his power ratings. The real secret of RUF cars is not the peak HP numbers, but rather the focus on creating fabulous linear torque curves.
This car happens to be one of two AWD CTR variants built. I think FlamerKs is thinking of the awesome RUF Rturbo conversion package.
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
Note that the RUF CTR is a rear engine-rear wheel drive so it's sometimes hard to control.
AshKetchem3500 4 years ago
You are right in that virtually all CTRs are rear drive, but this is one of the two Alois Ruf built that are AWD.
As you pointed out, the rear-engine configuration is less than ideal for a hill climb because so much weight sits on the rear axle when going up hill that it was very difficult to build any meaningful temperatures into the front tires let alone let alone have front end grip. As a result, rotating the car is best accomplished with the right foot.
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
I know.Another one in Gran Turismo 4 is a front wheel drive.I forgot what the name was...
Is that a left or right hand drive?
AshKetchem3500 4 years ago
The CTR I drove was a left hand drive.
p.s. A RUF in Gran Turismo that is front wheel drive?
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
Yeah. The Specs Said FF and it NEVER spun out on me.
It's called the RUF 3400S And It Looks Like A Cayman.
p.s. It has 389 HP and goes 291 KM/H With Nitrous.
AshKetchem3500 4 years ago
Yep, the 3400S is a mid-engine, rear-drive based on the Boxster platform.
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
Got Ya!
pikachu1357 4 years ago
lol thats slow driving if you ask me, with porsches you need to push hard for them to go fast, but you need to be as good as vatanen too! to control them hehe
secretRBRman 4 years ago
Nice the blow off valves sound like he is sucking squirels into the turbos.
Driftithard 4 years ago
u have to remember its not a video game and if u spin the tires u lose speed so thats y he/she wasnt taking the corners faster
dp0Garfield 4 years ago
he could have been MUCH faster, if he had taken those corners better
limaq 4 years ago
u have to remember its not a video game
dp0Garfield 4 years ago 2
What mods were made so this car could compete?
nbwinn 4 years ago
2*turbo+2*wategate+2*intercooler+4wd system by ruf=
a total of about 550hp
they were 3rd in '94
FlamerK6 4 years ago
Pretty much the standard safety features that SCCA and other race sanctioning bodies require (i.e., full cage, fuel cell, fire suppression). Pikes Peak has a few odd ones as well. For example, the battery must be in a battery box somewhat like a marine battery box so that if the car rolls, battery acid does not leak out and harm the forest.
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
And from a performance standpoint, it is no surprise that the 9,000 to 14,000 foot elevation deprives engines of power-producing oxygen, but what is less widely known is that the "thin" air not only reducing power output, it also reducing cooling power. Take brakes as an example. Although we don't use brakes much climbing up this mountain, it was always amazing that many competitors would experience mild to severe brake fade by the top third.
yellowbirdCTR 4 years ago
video speeded up.
alfamonk 4 years ago
I have ridden with Steve in his Yellowbird, speeded up my foot!!
davidnfriend 4 years ago
I don't think it is - look at the people in the beginning of the video walking at a normal speed.
spineboy 4 years ago
Why is it there are people like you in this world??
FatPumPumLovah 4 years ago
calm down, ok i might have been wrong! on second viewing it's not as crazy quick as i first thought :)
alfamonk 4 years ago
The timing is about right to Glen Cove guys.....I'd say not speeded up and if you think it is it's because the camera looks like it was inside the bumper nearer to ground level. At over 5 1/2 minutes to that spot - he's slower than the stock cars. If you want to see how to take this road correctly - Google Clint or Leonard "Vahsholtz" At least this is when it was still the "real" hill climb road - all dirt!
bbr25 4 years ago
is youtube based in west coast usa
ladaladaladalada 4 years ago
you can hear the twin turbo whispering... very cool sound
MisterK007 4 years ago