raises to 500 pre flop gets called from the big blind... bets 2k into a pot of 1 k, gets called checks the turn then shoves in position with the second nuts after a bet of 15k into a pot of 5k... some great poker skills back in 1998
@HeavyD293 I think betting the turn would have been a better play and would have made it easier to get the money in on the river. If Mike truly believed Teddy had a draw he would want to get more money in while Teddy's draw was still live in case a spade doesn't peel on the river.
@jasonpease You don't understand the dynamics of high stakes Poker. By checking the turn, Mike is un-leveraging the hand, saying "I c-bet the flop and now I give up, please take the pot away from me on any river". Of course if Teddy misses a flush draw on the river he'll try to bluff it, as his only way to win the pot. A lot of expert players will call down a bet like that with Ace-high. However, Mike did raise preflop so his range is rather polarized with the ace on the board.
@HeavyD293 Donking on the river there isn't necessarily a bad play but betting 3x the pot isn't realistic. In any case, Teddy's monster overbet represents the nuts (better than nines full) or air. Mike wouldn't reraise either as he knows it's a -EV play (i.e. he isn't getting called by any hand he's beating).
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Btw, it's kinda retarded to say "I don't believe you have the flush" and then shove. If Matt would have anything worse than a flush, but still has showdown value and doesn't believe the other guy, he would just call. No point in shoving.
I suppose this movie is for those who does not play poker, wich jasonpease allraedy has pointed out .
Great movie but the betting in this hand is a little far fetched. Mike's flop overbet of $2,000 into a pot of $1,750 (it looks like Mike raised $500 and pushed out 8 blacks, meaning they're playing 150/300) is a little unusual but believable.
However, Teddy's $15,000 donk bet on the river into a pot of around $5,750 is just retarded. Yes, players do that, but not players as skilled as KGB. I guess that was the best way to get it all in considering the audience is primarily not poker players.
its different type of bad beat, for example if you hit quads and lose to a royal flush, for example aa vs kj and kj hits a roylal vs quads aces, thats is considered a bad beat even tho kj has the NUTS
i've lost 6k in my life playing poker and i'm only 22. Luck like this follows me around, i never win a flip, if i hit trips someone got a flush. My two pair on the flop always beaten by an overpair rivering two pair. I know none of you believe me beacuse you live in the world where u belive it's all skill and watch Doyle and gus on high stakes poker and think there skillful. Truth is you either run good or d'ont. I QUIT!!!!!!!!
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but who am i to talk, i lost 20k over the last week, partly because of decisions like not to fold with hds like that ... i guess I´ll never be a Doyle Brunson or Daniel Negreanu, but i luv this game ...
of course, brother, no sane player would have folded any of their hands.
but still: none of them held the nuts on river ... (9s) and the pocket aces were such a slim chance to have happened to kgb, if i were matt, i´d probably bet my cats life on his cards ...
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that trip aces are the nuts on the flop in this situation. KGB was sitting on pocket aces and hit his set on the flop. He had it all the way, no bad beat here.
@Disney312 Yes I agree with that. However, I guess it dpends on what you define as a "bad beat". If a "bad beat" is when you get very unlucky cards dealt, then this is a bad beat. Damon got INCREDIBLY unlucky to have that full house against a stonger full house, with a flush on the board. However, as you say, KGB was in with the best of it.
you're absolutely right. A bad beat is when the best hand gets cracked on the river by say, in this situation, a third 9 on board, giving McD quads on 5th street. KGB had him beaten the whole way.
Heck even Mike McD later on in the movie admits that it wasn't a bad beat and that he wasn't unlucky.
@Disney312 NO a set of aces on that flop are not the nuts! It is the best hand on the flop but not the nuts. Because Matt could have flopped set of 9s and turned quads or rivered a quads. Nuts would be if he hit Quad Aces with that hand. HE was a heavy favorite and had it all the way.
Semantics. fine, it is the best hand on the flop, not the nuts. Either way, I said that KGB had it all the way. My only point is that Damon's character didn't suffer a bad beat here.
u know when damon pushed all in wasnt it needed for him to flip over his cars so the guy can see what he has and then realise that his hand was beaten when kgb flips over his aces after he calls??? coz we see damons hand but no1 else did, like coz he had a good hand, didnt just push all in wif bullshit...had a fullhouse....anyone?
When KGB calls he is pretty much certain he has the best hand as the only thing that could beat him would be pocket 9s.
When KGB flips over his cards, if Damon had had two more 9s in his hand, he would've flipped them to show that he had won the pot. By not showing your cards or throwing them away (or here sitting in shock) you're basically saying that you can't beat what's shown. So to answer your question no it's not needed, KGB can just assume he has won when Damon doesn't show his cards.
Damon was supposed to show his cards, since he was called, but nothing stops the other player from showing first if he wants. As it turned out, it was enough to see KGB's hand, because his aces full of nines was the "nuts" - the highest possible game with that board. There was no hand Damon could have that would win or tie. Of course, he could have shown that he wasn't being stupid in his bet, but it looks like everyone assumed Damon had the lower full house anyway.
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THis aint bad beat....if you got trip 8 on flop and your opponent with pocket Aces went all in on the turn and you called, and he freakin gets an Ace on the river giving him trip aces, thats a fuckin bad beat....man makes me so angry! >:(
this is not a bad beat, this is a cold deck. bad beat is where you lose on the giver when you where very favorit, while this, KJB had the better hand all the way, pre-flop, on the flop, turn and river.
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happened to me today..just replace the ace with a 10
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@boblovesmary No, but so what?
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Could, but he hasnt, pocket nines was only hand, which could Tedy beat, but very impossible :o)
DukeBalaor 1 year ago
@HeavyD293 I think betting the turn would have been a better play and would have made it easier to get the money in on the river. If Mike truly believed Teddy had a draw he would want to get more money in while Teddy's draw was still live in case a spade doesn't peel on the river.
jasonpease 1 year ago
@jasonpease You don't understand the dynamics of high stakes Poker. By checking the turn, Mike is un-leveraging the hand, saying "I c-bet the flop and now I give up, please take the pot away from me on any river". Of course if Teddy misses a flush draw on the river he'll try to bluff it, as his only way to win the pot. A lot of expert players will call down a bet like that with Ace-high. However, Mike did raise preflop so his range is rather polarized with the ace on the board.
lookaguru 11 months ago
@HeavyD293 Donking on the river there isn't necessarily a bad play but betting 3x the pot isn't realistic. In any case, Teddy's monster overbet represents the nuts (better than nines full) or air. Mike wouldn't reraise either as he knows it's a -EV play (i.e. he isn't getting called by any hand he's beating).
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biggdaddydlrs 1 year ago
Just a cold deck here. He was behind on every street
martysparty2042 1 year ago
This is not a bad beat..This is a cooler
PhantomXII 1 year ago 18
@PhantomXII Correct - KGB was ahead the entire hand, from pre-flop to the river.
Srajcula 1 year ago
@PhantomXII idd it is
CUCKOO9999 1 year ago
Not a bad beat but a very cold deck
thomasmoonman 1 year ago
AND he dealt it himself, sick sick sick
Urajass 1 year ago
Ever heard of bankroll-management, Mike? ^^
KevinDorner 1 year ago
"Aces Full, Mike"
Fuck you I have pocket nines.
4DCrunch 1 year ago 30
@4DCrunch haha thats what i was thinking
theBASSOE 1 year ago
@4DCrunch I would have messed with Teddy by turning over 1 Nine and then saying "It's good, Teddy" then gone outside and jumped into the river.
HeavyD293 1 year ago
thats when you leave a little bit of poop on the chair..lol
Lennon4life1968 1 year ago
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Urajass 1 year ago
matt damon (in a stupid voice) lmao
chrisbrunok 1 year ago
Oh. It's a shitty film. That explains Matt Damon.
This isn't a bad beat. He was beat from the start.
PowerfrogsBeotch 1 year ago
Btw, it's kinda retarded to say "I don't believe you have the flush" and then shove. If Matt would have anything worse than a flush, but still has showdown value and doesn't believe the other guy, he would just call. No point in shoving.
I suppose this movie is for those who does not play poker, wich jasonpease allraedy has pointed out .
Boubben 1 year ago
Thats not a bad beat. That's a cooler. What's this movie called?
Boubben 1 year ago
@Boubben rounders.
checkoutmymelody180 1 year ago
pocket 9s would be killer
sk8erboyandgangsta 1 year ago
actually the nuts were quad 9s. aces full were second nuts.
dh144498 1 year ago
cooler not a bad beat
drockstar1 1 year ago
It is called a cooler...
opom 1 year ago
@opom cooler? losing 30k, all of your bank roll, thats pretty much an absolute zero ice age.
fastr1337 1 year ago
overbetting aside, why not just call the 15 if you think you got the best hand? if you lose your still up 3k.
if you raise the only hand that calls is the hand that beats you.
jubileeshine 1 year ago
slowroll, stringbet, splashing the pot, now i know where all the players in germany have their table manners from
weirdcreature83 1 year ago
Great movie but the betting in this hand is a little far fetched. Mike's flop overbet of $2,000 into a pot of $1,750 (it looks like Mike raised $500 and pushed out 8 blacks, meaning they're playing 150/300) is a little unusual but believable.
However, Teddy's $15,000 donk bet on the river into a pot of around $5,750 is just retarded. Yes, players do that, but not players as skilled as KGB. I guess that was the best way to get it all in considering the audience is primarily not poker players.
jasonpease 1 year ago 3
@jasonpease Teddy might have figured Damon for a flush, that he made on the river, and therefore he'd call a huge bet like that.
HeavyD293 1 year ago
he could of had pocket 9.
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Neacy62264 1 year ago
Wouldn't be a bad beat if John Malkovich lost here?
ElHieloDeSusOjos 1 year ago
Who ever thinks this is a badbeat is wrong. I would consider it a cold deck.
redverter 1 year ago
its different type of bad beat, for example if you hit quads and lose to a royal flush, for example aa vs kj and kj hits a roylal vs quads aces, thats is considered a bad beat even tho kj has the NUTS
jkilla11789 1 year ago
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vladkpone 1 year ago
@vladkpone Yes, it's called Rounders with matt damon and edward norton
LeMoreau 1 year ago
it's not bad beat
poker4wealth 1 year ago
that was such an rookie mistake!... but i had the Quad 9, i would be laughing my ass off :D
Rassamdul 1 year ago
i hate matt damon
karen231289 1 year ago
pretty mandatory river c/r by teddy imo
neighborhoodgasman 1 year ago
who the fuck would put a video up claiming Matt Damon Loses high stakes poker and it's the fucking movie......fucking idiot.
JimmyBluffet67 1 year ago
Malkovitch nailed the Russian accent perfectly
vince117 1 year ago
i've lost 6k in my life playing poker and i'm only 22. Luck like this follows me around, i never win a flip, if i hit trips someone got a flush. My two pair on the flop always beaten by an overpair rivering two pair. I know none of you believe me beacuse you live in the world where u belive it's all skill and watch Doyle and gus on high stakes poker and think there skillful. Truth is you either run good or d'ont. I QUIT!!!!!!!!
buster560 1 year ago
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lPhilIvey 1 year ago
That wasnt bad beat, Matt was "just" unlucky
csaboca17 1 year ago
aces full was the nuts beside pocket 9's
RLuteran 1 year ago
thats not a bad beat if pocket aces lost then it would be...
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I never said I lost 20k real cash, champ.
I was playing full tilt last week.
But I been to Atlantic City last year and won 700$ in a night.
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LowStackTom 2 years ago
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davidwallis85 2 years ago
yes, i did, and i´m still crying, boohhoohoo ... ;)
LowStackTom 1 year ago
@88mestari88
ur absolutely right !
but who am i to talk, i lost 20k over the last week, partly because of decisions like not to fold with hds like that ... i guess I´ll never be a Doyle Brunson or Daniel Negreanu, but i luv this game ...
LowStackTom 2 years ago
@88mestari88
of course, brother, no sane player would have folded any of their hands.
but still: none of them held the nuts on river ... (9s) and the pocket aces were such a slim chance to have happened to kgb, if i were matt, i´d probably bet my cats life on his cards ...
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sophiestevie1 2 years ago
thats not a defiintion of bad beat... maybe bad luck but not bad beat
huyiy 2 years ago 2
what movie is this?
mikiboyx 2 years ago
rounders
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adrianjalaludin 2 years ago
well that's not going to happen too often to be worried about.. + proper BRM is needed for success.
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gushansen1234 2 years ago
that isnt a bad beat
podlami 2 years ago
holy shit that sucks
LeetCrime 2 years ago
cold deck yes, bad beat no!
nottinghampokerpro 2 years ago 2
btw: on flop both new that the nuts would be pocket 9s and neither of them believed that the other had it.
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LowStackTom 2 years ago
nobody can have 4 nines when two is on board and damon has one in hand... so maybe kgb could put him on quads but not damon putting kgb on quads...
Chiefpokeaho 2 years ago
@Chiefpokeaho
right, i was drunk when i wrote last comment ;)
from KGB´s point of view, on TURN Matt could have had the nuts (nines).
the way Matt betted before and after, this would have been even quite possible, i think.
LowStackTom 2 years ago
pocket 9s are impossible smarty pants, matt damon has one in his hand ruling out the possibility, KGB has the absolute nuts
gary91 2 years ago
@gary91
from KGB´s point of view, Matt could have had quad 9s, but kgb bet anyway. that´s why i said maybe KGB manipulated the game.
LowStackTom 2 years ago
@gary91 matt damon could have had pocket 9s.. it is possible.
huyiy 2 years ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that trip aces are the nuts on the flop in this situation. KGB was sitting on pocket aces and hit his set on the flop. He had it all the way, no bad beat here.
Disney312 2 years ago 16
@Disney312
Of course you´re right.
In Germany we call this situation "bad luck", "miss-reading a hand" or "KGB the basterd manipulated the game"
LowStackTom 2 years ago
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toonful 2 years ago
@Disney312 it`s cold deck not bad beat
f1oRlicious 1 year ago
@Disney312 Yes I agree with that. However, I guess it dpends on what you define as a "bad beat". If a "bad beat" is when you get very unlucky cards dealt, then this is a bad beat. Damon got INCREDIBLY unlucky to have that full house against a stonger full house, with a flush on the board. However, as you say, KGB was in with the best of it.
dejagermeister19 1 year ago
you're absolutely right. A bad beat is when the best hand gets cracked on the river by say, in this situation, a third 9 on board, giving McD quads on 5th street. KGB had him beaten the whole way.
Heck even Mike McD later on in the movie admits that it wasn't a bad beat and that he wasn't unlucky.
YouCanCallMeAl1022 1 year ago
@Disney312 NO a set of aces on that flop are not the nuts! It is the best hand on the flop but not the nuts. Because Matt could have flopped set of 9s and turned quads or rivered a quads. Nuts would be if he hit Quad Aces with that hand. HE was a heavy favorite and had it all the way.
madshy 1 year ago
@madshy
Semantics. fine, it is the best hand on the flop, not the nuts. Either way, I said that KGB had it all the way. My only point is that Damon's character didn't suffer a bad beat here.
Disney312 1 year ago
@Disney312 its a fuking cold deck all the money had to go to the middle
91Holdem 1 year ago
@Disney312
It's not really a bad beat but it is when you hit a full house and still lose...
aksulojik 1 year ago
@Disney312 its a bad beat not a suckout. a suckout is what u mean, when the lead in the hand changes as the play continues.
crunchie09 1 year ago
@Disney312 not a bad beat. just bad luck
mtavares92 1 year ago
what is the film called??
MrRoadRash1000 2 years ago
Rounders
tobbeffs 2 years ago
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b0ilhawk 2 years ago
This is not a bad beat.KGB had the best hand all the way.
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justin02852 2 years ago 14
he got cold decked when HE was dealing.. thats so sad.. if i was dealing, i would have the aces n he would have the 9's full :D
geniusjas87 2 years ago
u know when damon pushed all in wasnt it needed for him to flip over his cars so the guy can see what he has and then realise that his hand was beaten when kgb flips over his aces after he calls??? coz we see damons hand but no1 else did, like coz he had a good hand, didnt just push all in wif bullshit...had a fullhouse....anyone?
ozzylaza 2 years ago
When KGB calls he is pretty much certain he has the best hand as the only thing that could beat him would be pocket 9s.
When KGB flips over his cards, if Damon had had two more 9s in his hand, he would've flipped them to show that he had won the pot. By not showing your cards or throwing them away (or here sitting in shock) you're basically saying that you can't beat what's shown. So to answer your question no it's not needed, KGB can just assume he has won when Damon doesn't show his cards.
bootsaregood 2 years ago
nope, matt is on the button sitting at a later position than kgb and therefore has the right to muck his hand..
Jimismusic 2 years ago
Damon was supposed to show his cards, since he was called, but nothing stops the other player from showing first if he wants. As it turned out, it was enough to see KGB's hand, because his aces full of nines was the "nuts" - the highest possible game with that board. There was no hand Damon could have that would win or tie. Of course, he could have shown that he wasn't being stupid in his bet, but it looks like everyone assumed Damon had the lower full house anyway.
fabiogaucho77 2 years ago
pocket 9's was the nuts duh
NaS8784 2 years ago
dnt think so. 2 nines on table, 1 nine i damons hand. howcome another 99 on the hand? :DDD
nev3rh00d 2 years ago
because no one knew what damon had in his hand you fucking idiot his cards were face down..pocket nines the nuts in that hand.
slicer1028 2 years ago
we actually can see cards of matt. 9 in his hand and 2 nines - one on flop and one on turn. moron:DDD
nev3rh00d 2 years ago
load of crap fabio pocket 9's is the nutz
faheemnajm69 2 years ago
quad 9's
Snyder33Jon4 2 years ago
@fabiogaucho77
Pocket 9's....
thecyrax 2 years ago
OLOLO
dumb ass
braun3812 2 years ago
thats not a bad beat, he was always behind
wasaveninito 2 years ago
That always sucks.
Few nights ag ago i had AQ, flop comes AQQ. Safe money. Checks back at my opponent from the button. Turn is K. River is blank.
We both go all in and he shows over the kings. Hallelujah.
Slimcase85 2 years ago
what u trying to say?
skewboylucas 2 years ago
"Matt Damon....."
LOL
wallawalla3810 2 years ago
"Matt Damon" Team America - World Police
jeffuryca 2 years ago
matt damon just got his butt owned....
chirkut 2 years ago
WTF are u guys talking about its a movie
kendambu 2 years ago
this is the movie that ignited the online poker revolution
goma3 2 years ago
This movie didnt sparkt he online revolution. Chris Moneymaker's win at the WSOP is what started that.
kartmankai 2 years ago 3
Nope, Chris M. win at WSOP accelerated the online signing for Poker Stars and other websites, but the highest signup increase, %-wise, was in the next 1-2 years after the release of Rounders. Somebody did a study on that and one of the graphs clearly showed the impact of Rounders' release.
goma3 2 years ago
coolers are fun
JMcKW19 2 years ago
also, that guys got the worst russian accent ive ever heard...
mrburnett 2 years ago
Haha KGB, he's fucking amazing. The accent makes me laugh hard.
DdragonforceF 2 years ago
lol it makes poker seem so criminal...
mrburnett 2 years ago 2
They should have wait, he could have had quad nines... Considering kgb didnt know his hand
Theracoon4 2 years ago 2
matt please practice some bankroll management... is this real?
markfilipinia 2 years ago
are you serious...lol is this real...wtf....LOLOLOLOL
bizzo518 2 years ago
a movie
pl0x3rzj00 2 years ago
Watch the fucking movie first, "pokerpro".
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jakerivers9 2 years ago
how KGB was so sure that he won, if Matt had the 99 for quads?
serratop 2 years ago
Damn KGB played that like a pro he definitly deserves a bracelet for that one
1TOPPATOPPA 2 years ago 2
never knew jason bourne was into poker ^^
jk
SerialThrillr 2 years ago
wow, i lost a game the exact same way a few days ago
Burlymansteve 2 years ago
rounders is probably my favorite movie ever, but for sure just a cooler. never would have happened to worm.
biscuts123456789 2 years ago
lmao definitly not
1TOPPATOPPA 2 years ago
That wasn't a bad beat, just unlucky.
ml497 2 years ago
THis aint bad beat....if you got trip 8 on flop and your opponent with pocket Aces went all in on the turn and you called, and he freakin gets an Ace on the river giving him trip aces, thats a fuckin bad beat....man makes me so angry! >:(
zZKaZuRaZz 2 years ago
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sandkjen 2 years ago
ur an idiot
Element1516 2 years ago
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sandkjen 2 years ago
ur an idiot cuz ur pointing out the obvious
Element1516 2 years ago
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sandkjen 2 years ago
stevie wonder lol classic man
pistol135bfmv 2 years ago
that's a cooler not a bad beat
jparkfosho 2 years ago 4
n e 1 else feel like calling kgb out on tht string bet lol
hearmeroar22 2 years ago 2
this is not a bad beat, this is a cold deck. bad beat is where you lose on the giver when you where very favorit, while this, KJB had the better hand all the way, pre-flop, on the flop, turn and river.
tirumba 2 years ago 2
lol just coz the good guy got pwned doesnt make it a bad beat he was always behind!@!!