Moderates Views Changed by the Isreal Massacre of Gaza

[TheModbro]

..."descendants of pigs and apes" and all that. The same shit that it is used to brainwash people and send them to blow up between, for instance, innocent Iraqis queuing up in a market or outside a school. Those are the people you should blame for the body count in Iraq, ever thought of that? Oh no, you didn't, because you have access to real information while the other are mentally plagiarized, right? May the Lord help you open your mind one day.

[rayalvis]

The Lord has already opened my mind. It is you that needs to see the light.

Do not distort your own facts you said, and I quote "The first butchers of muslims are muslims themselves (consider Algeria or Iraq, for instance), but tears are shed only when Israel is involved. All this hypocritical attention for Gaza just makes me sick."

Only a Zionist would say that. If someone said that by inserting "Jew" on the "Muslim". He would be called an Anti-Sermite. Such an Immature statement coming ....

[rayalvis]

...from a "self characterized" rational humanitarian.

Why deny it. You crusading Zionists are killing civilians in your so-called "SURGICAL PRECISION BOMBING". What a contradictory phrase, this is beyond an Oxymoron. Only Crusading Zionists would come up with such an spin-induced phrase. When has a bomb ever been SURGICAL PRECISE?

You Crusading Zionists are really deluded with yourselves. So, you think you are creating for yourselves a safe environment in the middle of people you are killing?

[rayalvis]

So, you want to talk about the present and not the past?

Ok, here we go...

How can you Crusading Zionists use White phosphorus and depleted Uranium ammunition in the so-called "Surgical Precision Bombing" on Gaza?

You are using banned chemical weapons and nuclear weaponry on civilians.

On that day when America steps aside - You Crusading Zionists will be taken in for War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity. And some of you will be hanged for these crimes according to the law.

Please repent.

[TheModbro]

There is no point going on with this, we'll never find an agreement. It is a fact (not an "immature statement")that the majority of casualties of attacks committed by Islamic extremists group worldwide are innocent muslims, not Jews, Christians, Zulu or whatever other ethnic/religious group. My critic tries to be constructive in this since I would like to see all those muslims who are for living their creed in peace react against a blasphemy that kills THEIR religion in first place. Easy.

[rayalvis]

1 - You have your set of opinions, so do I. I will not accept anything you tell to be Kosher because you are telling me. And I expect the same with you.

Let us analyze your so-called argument. You claim Muslims blow each other up, and you gave an example of Iraq. This is the point where I begin to say that "Crusading Zionists" have a warped mind of reasoning. During the rule of the "So-Called Tyrant" Saddam Hussein in Iraq; Iraqi's were not blowing themselves up...>2

[rayalvis]

2 - Yet soon after the Iraqi's were "Liberated" by the American's, they decided to blow themselves up. You can have all the reasons you want. But the facts here are clear, the western powers have a way of "messing" things up. I would like to give you examples... but you prefer not to take pointers from history (How can you fix the future if you do not know your own past?).

Wherever there has been an occupying western power; there will be a conflict.

India had a Rajput system and the...>3

[rayalvis]

3 - ...and the British Raj came along and left Kashmir, and the rest is a history of violence. In Palestine; Palestinians, Arabs and Jews lived in harmony and later the British with the Balfour Declaration did not provide anything but bloodshed. Go to WIKIPEDIA and type PALESTINE and see the UN Partition Plan of Palestine 1947 and on the same page see the current map. Then maybe you will understand why the Palestinians oppose your illegal occupation of their land. Just give them back their land!

[TheModbro]

..you're trying to take distance from. And please leave it with this well-worn habit of talking to "crusaders" by holding against them a supposed ignorance about the facts of the world. Or by mentioning all the time the flaming Fox News or Sky News as the only source of information you imagine the "average crusaders" take their news from!

Think about the pathetic media control that you find in the whole Middle East where kids are taught to hatred and rubbish about the Jews being...

[TheModbro]

..about NOW. I didn't allude to anything, nor said that all muslims condone such massacres, it would be an idiot thing to say. But that the muslim world should start looking deep inside itself to find solutions to a terrible problem is a truth that can no longer be denied. Don't you find so? I don't think so, since you talk to me in terms of "crusaders" then you demand an analytic approach to the matter, which is kind of funny by someone who sounds actually like the stereotype of muslim that...

[TheModbro]

..the first to denounce and fight the cultural/religious nature of the conflict. So it's not just a generic civil war, nor it is such the conflict in Algeria. Anyway, we are talking about the present, but strangely enough going back to history is what you get when asking a muslim an opinion about the extremism that, FIRST OF ALL, kills tens of thousands of muslims all around the world. The West has much to be ashamed of about its past, but that would be an historical debate, and I'm talking...

[TheModbro]

I don't have time to reply point by point. And there would be so much to say that it'd be fun actually. Example: it's you saying that Darfur was "some sinister act organized" by muslims in general, I didn't. I'm just pointing out that the Janjaweed islamic militias (who call themselves "mujaheddin") are committing a real genocide on behalf of the Sudanese government against all those tribes who are not islamic. A civil war has always complex conditions to be explained, but the rebels are...

[TheModbro]

And by the way, I don't think what happens (just to give the two most blatant examples) in Darfur or has happened for years in Algeria, with something like 100000 muslims slaughtered by Islamic -not Christian, not Jews, not Buddhist or whatever- extremists are a lack of knowledge. Those are facts, and there's much more in addition the Islamic world on the whole has to look deep into instead of dodging them as "stereotypes" made up by the West, as usual.

[rayalvis]

PART 1 - OK! So you are into figures.

History has proved that the Crusades was Christiandoms "Vietnam". The crusading Army slaughtered countless people. And the majority of non-Muslim historians have emphasized this point. Research the Spanish Inquisition (Christian brutality). The First World War (15 million deaths) and the Second World War (55 million deaths) started by the Christian Powers. Hiroshima and Nagasaki is another example of Western Christian aggression just like Vietnam....

[rayalvis]

PART 2 - And now into the the 21st Century. The Western Christians are still the undisputed efficient baby killers. You people have made killing an art-form. You kill so many people in a short time it becomes impossible to come up with a figure of dead. Here is your logic. You have "alleged terrorists", a majority being of Saudi nationals with a link to Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda, a group linked to Osama bin laden. Bin Laden, an apparent "rogue CIA field operative" (google: 'Tim Osman')...> part 3...

[rayalvis]

PART 3 - ...Bin Laden, of Yemeni descent living in Afghanistan. But the Western Christian Powers invade Iraq instead in 2003 and efficiently creates a catalyst that destroys somewhere around 1 million lives to date, and your reasons to go into Iraq was;

1. Links to Al Qaeda (Proved to be a lie by your own governments).

2. Weapons of Mass Destruction's (WMD's) (Also proved to be a lie by your own governments).

.....> part 4...

[rayalvis]

PART 4 - Yet after all this you Crusaders do not kill or capture the alleged cave dwelling fugitive (Tim Osman) who was supposed to be responsible for the original crime. You Crusaders do not have a logic or a back bone for justice, fairness and honesty.

To allude that Muslims are mass killers in light of facts then you are either living in a cocoon or base your facts from Fox TV and SKY News or some crusading medium.

I think you need to unplug from the Matrix and see the world as it is.

[rayalvis]

PART 5 - And let me answer you regarding your question on Darfur and Algeria. This is where I believe you have a juvenile grasp of world affairs and history.

This why you crusaders are accused of double standars. Whenever something happens in the Islamic world; it is unique. But the same thing happens in a or crusading nation, it is a history lesson.

What happened in Algeria is what is called a CIVIL WAR where you point out 100,000 deaths (not 100,000 but between 150,000 to 200,000)...> part 6

[rayalvis]

PART 6 - You point out to Algeria's internal conflict as a massacre of Muslims by Muslims and not a Civil War, yet you are comfortable with the notion that in America's war of the states between the Confederates (Slave Owners) and the Union (Industrious North) is a CIVIL WAR (1 million casualties - 620,000 deaths), because there were Christians?

But when it happens to Muslims, in your own words, it is "Muslims slaughtered by Islamic - not Christian, not Jews, not Buddhist or whatever"...>part 7

[rayalvis]

PART 7 - The conflict in Dafur is an internal conflict between the government in power and the ethnic minority in the region of Sudan. No body and no-one is denying the fact that people are being killed, except you trying to portray it as some sinister act organised by all Muslims in the world (including me as a Muslim).

You think Muslims condone the killings in Darfur because the western "crusading inspired" media told you so. That is why you have that view of the Islamic World...>part8

[rayalvis]

Part 8 - When you point out Darfur, you are "OWNING" yourself.

How about Kosovo?

Where there was a systematic and organised ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims by the Christian Serbs in the mid 1990's. Why don't you google: Radovan Karadzic and learn what only this one single Orthodox Christian commanded his men to do to Muslim women, children and men; it is stuff you would not even read from the Brothers Grimm.

Please avoid having Islamophobia views.

Try to see the light my brethren.....

[TheModbro]

Have these respectable ladies ever expressed the same sorrow for other islamic carnages such as the (real, not rhetorical) genocide of non-muslim sudanese people in Darfur, for example? The first butchers of muslims are muslims themselves (consider Algeria or Iraq, for instance), but tears are shed only when Israel is involved. All this hypocritical attention for Gaza just makes me sick.

[rayalvis]

It happens on the internet all the time. You have grown men and women pretending they're children, men pretending they're women and women pretending they're men. Finally there's one of the ugliest pretenders of all, bigots pretending to have an opinion. Your knowledge acquired from a western TV, or whatever stereotypical view you have, doesn't mean you know anything about the complexity of the world. You're not fooling anybody but you are showing your lack of knowledge, ignorance and stupidity.

[TheModbro]

Lack of knowledge? I don't think I received an answer to my question. We have so much we'd rather get sorted out asap before what remains of our culture completely disappears, but at the same time it's something that the Islamic world (which is not monolithic, I know that, don't worry) is never really willing to do as well. There's a great problem inside of your culture (bigger than any most annoying form of bigotry), but each time someone makes you notice that, you get as touchy as hell.