Hello Pat, nice set-up you put together. You mention you use the green 3034 pipe for blast gates as they fit together snuggly. But, I noticed in your pictures the blast gates seem to be connected to white pipe. I'm just curious how the blast gates and the pipes fit together. I've go a DC project underway and need a better solution than the several filler parts I have to use to shim the pipes so they'll fit on the gates better. I have the HFT gates with the tapered quick connect fittings. You?
@imtediam The metal blast gates fit reasonably well directly in the green pipe. The plastic ones (I got those at Woodcraft and Menards) fit inside the white 4" wye connectors...that's what you're seeing there.
Thanks for posting this. I think I'll be using the exact same stuff from Menards (cheap solution).
Hopefully you (or someone) can answer these questions:
1) Are you gluing the fittings to the tubes? (I'd like to be able to change later if possible)
2) The 6" tubing going TO the collector - is the fitting 6" as well, or are you using a 6"x5" reducer? (I didn't see a 6"x5" reducer at Menards - and my collector has a 5" port)
Again - thanks for posting! Shop looks outstanding!
@ pjaromin - I went to your blog and enjoyed reading your post about your shop coming together and the feature in the magazine. GOOD WORK ! ! - I noticed where you said you would worry about static it it becomes a problem. The problem is that usually the first indication of a static problem is an explosion. I guess you know that already. - Nice shop and nice blog. - Enjoy your hobby. Thanks for the good read and your other videos.
With respect to the grounding of pvc pipe and the issue of static and causing a fire.... how come all shop vacs don't need to be grounded? Mine certainly has static as I see it every time I vacuum on the hose. And..... it has a spark in the motor that is creating the vacuum.
@tgille99 its at the point farthest point on his line, so basically he started at the end and worked backwards. Judging by his space I dont think it mattered much whether he stared at the end or the begining. I would think most would start at the begining though.
do you have any problems with loss of CFM due to the extensive length of plumbing? i have a 2HP D/C and haven't yet set up the plumbing and thought I would lose a great deal of suction with lengthy hoses and pvc.
@AdamRM84 I've never measured CFM through the system, so I honestly couldn't say what the loss vs free air would be, however the system is working very well and the floor sweep at the far end picks up piles of dust -- and small metal bits if I'm not careful! The only time it's really overwhelmed is when I run long, wide boards through the drum sander.
the folks stating that he will cause fire/explosion....have you actually seen this in practice or just "heard" that it can happen? i have a similar set up and have never had a problem?
Hi Patrick. Thank U for posting and record the dust system. I will read in detail your paper on PVC, since I am also in the same direction. Regards fernando.
Okay system but it would NEVER be approved. Like others have mentioned you would need to use metal pipe / duct.
You also keep the same diameter on all the duct meaning you WILL have dust laying in the dust some places (the duct is going to re-size itself till the correct velocity has been met) - this is a fire hazard and a big no no!!
Have you even calculated your velocity in the line or did you just go for the "available diameter"?
Since I can't post a link here, see my blog - tenonandspline-dot-com-slash-blog and search for "green dust collection." That article includes information and a link about the risks (or lack thereof) in my type of setup.
The odds of an explosion in my setup are near nil. The real danger is with a spark setting smoldering in the bags. Metal pipes won't help that.
Are you using a cyclone system? I have a small garage workshop similar to yours. I'm debating whether or not I need something that powerful. I can buy a regular 2hp dust collector for 1/8 of the price of a cyclone system and it has exactly the same flow rating of around 1300cfm.
If you are using PVC duct and collectiing organic dust (wood, flour, etc), you are going to cause an explosion. It will be impossible to properly ground this system. Use metal duct and hoods only.
@RFollowell You can ground a PVC system by running a ground wire through all the piping, it is very possible to ground this system and many wood shops have pvc pipes for dust collection.
i like how you went around your TV. Understandable....The TV is not going anywhere LOL
odmcarp 2 months ago
I love it! I really like your shop too - mind telling me the dimensions and what kind of wood paneling you have up?
nialljamesbuckley 4 months ago
Hello Pat, nice set-up you put together. You mention you use the green 3034 pipe for blast gates as they fit together snuggly. But, I noticed in your pictures the blast gates seem to be connected to white pipe. I'm just curious how the blast gates and the pipes fit together. I've go a DC project underway and need a better solution than the several filler parts I have to use to shim the pipes so they'll fit on the gates better. I have the HFT gates with the tapered quick connect fittings. You?
imtediam 10 months ago
@imtediam The metal blast gates fit reasonably well directly in the green pipe. The plastic ones (I got those at Woodcraft and Menards) fit inside the white 4" wye connectors...that's what you're seeing there.
pjaromin 10 months ago
@imtediam STUPID!
scottbolden1 2 weeks ago
@scottbolden1
explain your commrent
imtediam 2 weeks ago
Thanks for posting this. I think I'll be using the exact same stuff from Menards (cheap solution).
Hopefully you (or someone) can answer these questions:
1) Are you gluing the fittings to the tubes? (I'd like to be able to change later if possible)
2) The 6" tubing going TO the collector - is the fitting 6" as well, or are you using a 6"x5" reducer? (I didn't see a 6"x5" reducer at Menards - and my collector has a 5" port)
Again - thanks for posting! Shop looks outstanding!
aaronled 10 months ago
@aaronled 1) Nope, didn't use glue for exactly the same reason -- I want to easily change things around.
2) Yes, the connection to the collector is 6". There's a post on my blog that shows this tenonandspline-DOT-com slash blog.
pjaromin 10 months ago
@ pjaromin - I went to your blog and enjoyed reading your post about your shop coming together and the feature in the magazine. GOOD WORK ! ! - I noticed where you said you would worry about static it it becomes a problem. The problem is that usually the first indication of a static problem is an explosion. I guess you know that already. - Nice shop and nice blog. - Enjoy your hobby. Thanks for the good read and your other videos.
specialks1953 1 year ago
With respect to the grounding of pvc pipe and the issue of static and causing a fire.... how come all shop vacs don't need to be grounded? Mine certainly has static as I see it every time I vacuum on the hose. And..... it has a spark in the motor that is creating the vacuum.
nothing2offer 1 year ago
FOX news on the tv set.... thats key in a good shop
nothing2offer 1 year ago 2
@nothing2offer
Yes indeedy!
Givers credibility to the video.
Navigator777777 2 months ago
Does anyone else think it's weird that his starting point is hanging a wye connector in the middle?
tgille99 1 year ago
@tgille99 its at the point farthest point on his line, so basically he started at the end and worked backwards. Judging by his space I dont think it mattered much whether he stared at the end or the begining. I would think most would start at the begining though.
nothing2offer 1 year ago
do you have any problems with loss of CFM due to the extensive length of plumbing? i have a 2HP D/C and haven't yet set up the plumbing and thought I would lose a great deal of suction with lengthy hoses and pvc.
AdamRM84 1 year ago
@AdamRM84 I've never measured CFM through the system, so I honestly couldn't say what the loss vs free air would be, however the system is working very well and the floor sweep at the far end picks up piles of dust -- and small metal bits if I'm not careful! The only time it's really overwhelmed is when I run long, wide boards through the drum sander.
pjaromin 1 year ago
the folks stating that he will cause fire/explosion....have you actually seen this in practice or just "heard" that it can happen? i have a similar set up and have never had a problem?
Desflurane123 1 year ago
The price there asking for metal duck work is crazy.Plastic is the way to go if grounded.Sanders will most likely be your worse nightmare for static,
stpierrewoodworking 2 years ago
Hi Patrick. Thank U for posting and record the dust system. I will read in detail your paper on PVC, since I am also in the same direction. Regards fernando.
fernandoindia 2 years ago
Okay system but it would NEVER be approved. Like others have mentioned you would need to use metal pipe / duct.
You also keep the same diameter on all the duct meaning you WILL have dust laying in the dust some places (the duct is going to re-size itself till the correct velocity has been met) - this is a fire hazard and a big no no!!
Have you even calculated your velocity in the line or did you just go for the "available diameter"?
haugaard1 2 years ago
Could u tell me the answer for RFollowell's question? U can't?
vparthibban 2 years ago
Since I can't post a link here, see my blog - tenonandspline-dot-com-slash-blog and search for "green dust collection." That article includes information and a link about the risks (or lack thereof) in my type of setup.
The odds of an explosion in my setup are near nil. The real danger is with a spark setting smoldering in the bags. Metal pipes won't help that.
pjaromin 2 years ago
Are you using a cyclone system? I have a small garage workshop similar to yours. I'm debating whether or not I need something that powerful. I can buy a regular 2hp dust collector for 1/8 of the price of a cyclone system and it has exactly the same flow rating of around 1300cfm.
alexisonfire01 2 years ago
If you are using PVC duct and collectiing organic dust (wood, flour, etc), you are going to cause an explosion. It will be impossible to properly ground this system. Use metal duct and hoods only.
RFollowell 2 years ago
@RFollowell You can ground a PVC system by running a ground wire through all the piping, it is very possible to ground this system and many wood shops have pvc pipes for dust collection.
0ogarrityo0 2 years ago
How do you deal with clogs if any??
What about static??
Nice work. How long did it take more than several days??
A bit of coin also I bet
Thanks
drail80s 3 years ago
clogs - there are some strategically placed access points -- basically accessible capped ends.
static - hasn't been an issue so far. I'll ground if it becomes one.
time - not that long. If you look closely you can see the timestamp at the lower right. I spent far more time on planning.
cost wasn't too bad - especially compared to the shop construction.
Thanks for watching! There are more details on my blog if you're interested.
pjaromin 3 years ago
Nice work, looks like you have one nice set up!! Just wondering did you ground the pipes, or not?
macdonaldjohnstonfan 3 years ago