@xxxM85xxx Good point, I guess if it helps, I honestly have had a ton of fun with cheap guns so I can't really knock them. I used to hate Kel Tec, me and my buddy bought a p-11 to mess around with and I kid you not, it literally shit out all of its spring the first time we fired it. lol BUT I do like the rmr-30 they are releasing.
@MrRichardsSmoker I have had several issue with this gun. I have a ruger sr9c for carry when its a colder and I can wear a coat and im getting a kahr cm9 soon.
The metal guide rod upgrade is a must-have. My P11 malfd on every mag with the plastic. It has never (as in not even once) malfd with the metal rod (blazer brass and WWB mostly).
The mag extension upgrades are also great, the P11 is so much more ergonomic when your pinky has a home.
I didn't love the belt clip accessory but I did like the pins that came with it to replace the crummy stock pins, beautiful black anodized steel with allen screw caps.
@6949albert I havnt done this but I have heard you can take the long spring out of the back of the mag well and heat it up with a torch so the spring wont be as strong and it will lessen the trigger pull. go to ktog and look under the p-11 section all kinds of good stuff
@6949albert First contact Kel Tec and see what pound trigger spring your gun has. Some models have a 10 pound spring. There is a replacement available that is 8.5 pounds. There is also something called the LeFrance trigger mod that supposedly helps a lot.
@TJ347 I dont think its a big deal. I dont carry this gun or use it for home defense so if it breaks its no big deal. A firing pin from keltec is around 2 dollars if it dose go bad
@xxxM85xxx Good point, particularly about the cost of replacing the firing pin. I actually use the P-11 for EDC and already have the mod you mention installed. It's definitely a great help in improving accuracy at a distance, though I'm not expecting to be taking shots at distances greater than 20 feet at the most should I need to defend myself. Still, for the cost of an eraser you can hardly go wrong.
I like it. Some people don't understand the 15/16 lb trigger pull...it is hell. And it is hard to stage. The eraser what do a lot to help your accuracy instead of pulling or jerking at the last second.
I tried this mod and it works! I was lucky to hit anything before this mod, but I actually managed to hit the target today! Not where I was aiming but I hit something. I think I need to find a softer eraser, my finger got tired after about 20 rounds. Thanks for the tip.
My first thought was if its such an issue why didn't they put in the front of the manual where the warnings are? Well i sold the gun now ,but if i stiill had it and had a problem at least they have a lifetime warranty
Silentprotector90 is right in regards to dry firing the Keltec guns. Just check out there info section of their owners website (ktog.org). Keltec DOES NOT RECOMMEND DRY FIRING THEIR GUNS! They state that it WILL DAMAGE THE FIRING PIN. But by this time since the video was done some time ago, you have probably found this out by now. Keltec does recommend using snap caps if you insist on dry firing their guns.
@txturtlelytiger not understanding how the spring can be damaged by it going back and forth? It was designed to do this hundreds of thousands of times when its fired. So im not understanding how this would be much different just because a rounds not chambered
Kel Tec told me to never dry fire my .380. Design is different from most guns and will definately harm the fireing pin. Simple, call or email Kel Tec yourself and see what they say.
have dry fired my guns for years with no issues. Another one those internet rumors that aren't based on fact. Actually dryfiring is good to clear out the firing pin channel from any debris
@reesie0414 haha no. Kel-tec does not recommend dry fire and I'm pretty sure they know a thing or 2 about the guns they design. If you feel the need to dry fire your guns, fine. Just don't make youtube videos on why the gun sucks because it failed to function because you went against the manufacturers recommendations and broke it.
@reesie0414 What do you mean where do I get my info from? It's basic gun knowledge. Some guns can be dry fired, others can't. Firing pins are notorious for breaking when constantly dry fired.. You should buy some snap caps, they run $10-$15.
and oh you obviously didn't look well enough because it's on page 13 in the p11 manual.
@mike802 Ok i read page 13 and you were right. Keltec does advise against dry firing. So i was wrong you were right. Never really thought anything about dryfing this gun because all of the other hanguns i ever owned were capable of dry fing. My Fn five seven i currently own is single action and you have no choice but to dry fire it to uncock the internal hammer. So i know next time read all the [rint in the manual even if it may at first glance seem unimportant.
@SilentProtector90 Its not going to hurt the pin. You dont want to direfire 22s. btw it has a lifetime warranty so if I break it I get a new one for free.
@xxxM85xxx Kel-Tec specifically mentions not to dry fire the pistol in the manual. They dont list that on every gun IIRC. I would read up on it if I were you. :)
@TheRJMortimer yes you can. Its just bad for some 22s. Watch vids from the pros and they recommend Dry Firing. you can always get dummy rounds if you want.
@AngeredKabar you should really look at the mechanism before making that claim... just because its centerfire doesn't mean it wont damage by dry firing. i have the pf-9. and dry fire on that is a big no because of the firing pin stop screw...
bought a P11 with the eraser mod. I actually trimmed it down some because the eraser the owner had put on there was quite stiff and added more weight to the pull. Still a very nice and cheap way to eliminate Kel-Tec's mile of overtravel!
you may want to buy a arkansas stone from Midway and do some work. it made mine (an obviously well fired p11) much smoother. No percieved difference in pull weight but I don't have a pull scale either.
sorry dude I'm not gonna super glue a pencil eraser to my gun. lol And I can't take anyone serious who pays omage to NutNFancy. LOL2X
jtdrummer2112 17 hours ago
I would be easy with the dry firing. Not good on the kel techs
noAED4you 1 day ago
I WOULD NEVER super glue a f*cking eraser onto my gun, I guess I'm just an HK guy.
MrRichardsSmoker 3 days ago
@MrRichardsSmoker Its sad i know. I would not do this to any of my other guns. Its ok the the $200 kel-tec
xxxM85xxx 3 days ago
@xxxM85xxx Good point, I guess if it helps, I honestly have had a ton of fun with cheap guns so I can't really knock them. I used to hate Kel Tec, me and my buddy bought a p-11 to mess around with and I kid you not, it literally shit out all of its spring the first time we fired it. lol BUT I do like the rmr-30 they are releasing.
MrRichardsSmoker 2 days ago
@MrRichardsSmoker I have had several issue with this gun. I have a ruger sr9c for carry when its a colder and I can wear a coat and im getting a kahr cm9 soon.
xxxM85xxx 2 days ago
The metal guide rod upgrade is a must-have. My P11 malfd on every mag with the plastic. It has never (as in not even once) malfd with the metal rod (blazer brass and WWB mostly).
The mag extension upgrades are also great, the P11 is so much more ergonomic when your pinky has a home.
I didn't love the belt clip accessory but I did like the pins that came with it to replace the crummy stock pins, beautiful black anodized steel with allen screw caps.
Now it's time to go eraser shopping.
TyphoonMcGoon 1 week ago
Wow 2 safety checks. Yeah I would hate to be shot thru my computer.
3rdshifted 3 months ago
@3rdshifted lol. Thats the #1 cause of deaths, AD thru a computer
xxxM85xxx 3 months ago
thanks
6949albert 4 months ago
do you know of any other "mods" that can be done to the trigger to make "not so heavy"... ??????? i love the gun i just hate the trigger
6949albert 4 months ago
@6949albert I havnt done this but I have heard you can take the long spring out of the back of the mag well and heat it up with a torch so the spring wont be as strong and it will lessen the trigger pull. go to ktog and look under the p-11 section all kinds of good stuff
xxxM85xxx 4 months ago
@xxxM85xxx Good way to destroy the tempering of the spring metal, and have your spring break at a bad time. Don't do it bro
MrRichardsSmoker 3 days ago
@MrRichardsSmoker Hasnt cause me any issues but I agree messing with anything internal is not the best idea.
xxxM85xxx 3 days ago
@6949albert First contact Kel Tec and see what pound trigger spring your gun has. Some models have a 10 pound spring. There is a replacement available that is 8.5 pounds. There is also something called the LeFrance trigger mod that supposedly helps a lot.
photosensory 1 month ago
Great tip. Of course, Kel-Tec recommends you NOT dry fire the P-11.
TJ347 4 months ago
@TJ347 I dont think its a big deal. I dont carry this gun or use it for home defense so if it breaks its no big deal. A firing pin from keltec is around 2 dollars if it dose go bad
xxxM85xxx 4 months ago
@xxxM85xxx Good point, particularly about the cost of replacing the firing pin. I actually use the P-11 for EDC and already have the mod you mention installed. It's definitely a great help in improving accuracy at a distance, though I'm not expecting to be taking shots at distances greater than 20 feet at the most should I need to defend myself. Still, for the cost of an eraser you can hardly go wrong.
TJ347 4 months ago
I like it. Some people don't understand the 15/16 lb trigger pull...it is hell. And it is hard to stage. The eraser what do a lot to help your accuracy instead of pulling or jerking at the last second.
hlgrice 4 months ago
Seems kind of silly to mod a gun, when you should instead be training on using it. That way you can pick up another and use it exact
Norskand67 5 months ago
I tried this mod and it works! I was lucky to hit anything before this mod, but I actually managed to hit the target today! Not where I was aiming but I hit something. I think I need to find a softer eraser, my finger got tired after about 20 rounds. Thanks for the tip.
rookieshooter1 7 months ago
My first thought was if its such an issue why didn't they put in the front of the manual where the warnings are? Well i sold the gun now ,but if i stiill had it and had a problem at least they have a lifetime warranty
reesie0414 10 months ago
Silentprotector90 is right in regards to dry firing the Keltec guns. Just check out there info section of their owners website (ktog.org). Keltec DOES NOT RECOMMEND DRY FIRING THEIR GUNS! They state that it WILL DAMAGE THE FIRING PIN. But by this time since the video was done some time ago, you have probably found this out by now. Keltec does recommend using snap caps if you insist on dry firing their guns.
pecostx1951 11 months ago
@pecostx1951 : dry firing any gun can damage their firing pins, especually the spring by cauking it back and forth repeatedly.
txturtlelytiger 11 months ago
@txturtlelytiger not understanding how the spring can be damaged by it going back and forth? It was designed to do this hundreds of thousands of times when its fired. So im not understanding how this would be much different just because a rounds not chambered
reesie0414 10 months ago
Kel Tec told me to never dry fire my .380. Design is different from most guns and will definately harm the fireing pin. Simple, call or email Kel Tec yourself and see what they say.
JamesGSorr 11 months ago
have dry fired my guns for years with no issues. Another one those internet rumors that aren't based on fact. Actually dryfiring is good to clear out the firing pin channel from any debris
reesie0414 1 year ago
@reesie0414 haha no. Kel-tec does not recommend dry fire and I'm pretty sure they know a thing or 2 about the guns they design. If you feel the need to dry fire your guns, fine. Just don't make youtube videos on why the gun sucks because it failed to function because you went against the manufacturers recommendations and broke it.
mike802 10 months ago
@mike802 i don't see anything in the manual that say it can't be dry fired. Where did you get your info from?
reesie0414 10 months ago
@reesie0414 What do you mean where do I get my info from? It's basic gun knowledge. Some guns can be dry fired, others can't. Firing pins are notorious for breaking when constantly dry fired.. You should buy some snap caps, they run $10-$15.
and oh you obviously didn't look well enough because it's on page 13 in the p11 manual.
mike802 10 months ago
@mike802 Ok i read page 13 and you were right. Keltec does advise against dry firing. So i was wrong you were right. Never really thought anything about dryfing this gun because all of the other hanguns i ever owned were capable of dry fing. My Fn five seven i currently own is single action and you have no choice but to dry fire it to uncock the internal hammer. So i know next time read all the [rint in the manual even if it may at first glance seem unimportant.
reesie0414 10 months ago
Keep drive firing it and ull be looking at a new firing pin
SilentProtector90 1 year ago
@SilentProtector90 Its not going to hurt the pin. You dont want to direfire 22s. btw it has a lifetime warranty so if I break it I get a new one for free.
xxxM85xxx 1 year ago
@xxxM85xxx Kel-Tec specifically mentions not to dry fire the pistol in the manual. They dont list that on every gun IIRC. I would read up on it if I were you. :)
JCP281 8 months ago
@JCP281 I have read the manual and never saw "do not dry fire" do you know what page its on?
xxxM85xxx 8 months ago
@xxxM85xxx page 13. There are some accounts of this also on your comments page.
JCP281 8 months ago
@JCP281 thank you for looking that up and thanks for watching.
xxxM85xxx 8 months ago
@SilentProtector90
can you drive fire a gun???
TheRJMortimer 11 months ago
@TheRJMortimer yes you can. Its just bad for some 22s. Watch vids from the pros and they recommend Dry Firing. you can always get dummy rounds if you want.
xxxM85xxx 11 months ago
@TheRJMortimer
i sad drive not dry lol
TheRJMortimer 11 months ago
@TheRJMortimer lol its ok man.
xxxM85xxx 11 months ago
i smell new firing pin..LOL
pentogram23 1 year ago
@pentogram23 Nah. This is a centerfire.
AngeredKabar 1 year ago
@AngeredKabar you should really look at the mechanism before making that claim... just because its centerfire doesn't mean it wont damage by dry firing. i have the pf-9. and dry fire on that is a big no because of the firing pin stop screw...
yusoweird 1 year ago
bought a P11 with the eraser mod. I actually trimmed it down some because the eraser the owner had put on there was quite stiff and added more weight to the pull. Still a very nice and cheap way to eliminate Kel-Tec's mile of overtravel!
you may want to buy a arkansas stone from Midway and do some work. it made mine (an obviously well fired p11) much smoother. No percieved difference in pull weight but I don't have a pull scale either.
minkis18 1 year ago
@minkis18 I polished everything with my dremel tool. A little polishing goes a long way... Thanks for the advice.
xxxM85xxx 1 year ago
@minkis18 What's an arkansas stone?
rookieshooter1 7 months ago
I like it.
jkeys251 1 year ago