Anyone know where I might find a GOOD, professional documentary on the history of Scandinavia? English history has hundreds of choices, but try to learn the history of Sweden or Norway and all you get is Viking stuff! What about their general history, monarchy, foundation and all ot that? Surely SOMEONE has done a documentary on these countries! I don't care if there are english sub-titles, close enuf! I have Nordic blood in my veins and want to learn! thanx!
@talitakoomi Look at Coolthing100:s videos, He have made alot of Videos about Swedish history, Might be interesting for you :) And its not Viking videos xD
@GreedAndSelfishness Oh, I guess all the findings in Sweden just turned up mysteriously sometime during the 19th century or 20th century! How these findings are over a thousend years old in some places is still a mystery thou!..
HAHAHA oddsen!!! jag köpte skivan igår och ser detta idag! Dom var från Sundsvall och jag med så jag tänkte att jag skulle stötta den inhemska kulturen^^ fy fan vad sjukt. Vet du att vi har en begravd Vendel hövding här i Sundsvall. Tre stora gravhögar, man har hittat hans svärd, sköld och tre yxor och en massa annat. Högoms mannen kallas han.
O ja, det finns tre stora gravhögar och två runstenar i Sundsvall. Det finns lämningar av en gammal borg från den tiden ocksåi Timrå. Det var en mycket stor handel med järn, det fanns även byar som Gene vid örnsköldsvik och en annan vid Östersund.
Sen om jag inte minns fel fanns det en vid Söderhamn också.
I think it has to do with the migration times of the Germanic tribes. Recently they've discovered that mot english people have more in common with Dutch and Germans than people from Wales.
But Sutton Hoo is still mysterious, so is the new treasure the found lately.
Kiev was just a small settlement before the Swedish Vikings arrived, When we took it we made it bigger and more wealthy thanx to their connections to the Silk Road and Byzantium Empire.
@joonte1010 you know what i mean .. !!! Just ... forgery and more forgery !!! and i can say you are my favorite one ... long time a have Not see such a strong anti-Slavic attitude as you have !!! and my favorite post wrote by you its one were you have try to explain that how we Slavs have got our name !!! i can say the stupidest thing i NEVER SAW !!!
@theRUNALISTMANN I really dont understand whats false with this video? Can you explain that for me? This is about the vendel age in Sweden, Before the Viking age.
@joonte1010 entire your history its FAKE !!! and you should see the distribution of I y-dna chromosome ;) it will explain a lot to you !!! and yes i have to tell you this ... Slav on my language mean " the word " , and in same time mean " the glory " ... so we call our selfs SLAVS which mean ... " the Glorious one , who speak same language " ... !!!
@theRUNALISTMANN Allright your blocked, I dont need any weird retarded Slavs arguing about Swedish history being a fake which its not, And its not my fault your ancestors where harried off as slaves by my ancestors ^^
Its stupid to assume and build up theorys through that, The Vikings didnt have any need for protection or guides, They explored for themself, And if they encountered a rich Town/Village they raided it. If it was worth it. much of the tribes in the East was under Swedish Viking Controll, They paid taxes to us for "protection". And the language barriar was to huge between Swedes and Finns.
haha you claim that i know litle about my History? Look at you and your ennoying assumings and theorys, You are the one who brings up Bullshits.
The Vikings didnt use any Local guides e.t.c, The people of Sweden in the early Vendel age had allready explored much of the Eastern routes to the East, Same routes as the Vikings later would use.
You claim that Eastern settlements were under Viking taxation. This is again false information, and seems to be added by you to augment your nationalistic views.
-There were quite a few of them, Slavonic and Finno. Not many of them were under Viking influnce.
Viking trade-towns and settlements were indeed founded there, but locals destroyed them. Because they did not behave.
-Later four tribes invited one Viking tribe to come back and rule them.
In the Icelandic Saga Great Svitjod is mentioned, And it was from todays Sweden to the Black sea in the East, Tribes that was under Swedish controll and paid taxes to us, We had great influence in the East and established the First Russian organisation (Kievan Rus organisation).
Kiev and Novgorod are some towns that were created by Vikings.
And has it ever occured to you why people seem to have distaste for your imput?
Again; you have keen intrest on History?
-If you say yes, you should be able to comprehend your own contradiction.
I'll toss you an example; Just few years ago, scientific history was able to determine that Viking-era men, especially Vikings themselves, really valued colourful clothes.
-This information was aquired through science and history.
-If you'll accept that, you will have to start accepting new Finn info
Only the Rich traders in Sweden used colourfull clothes, Not the Warriors. And no, I will never accept bad theorys from either Poland,Russia or Finland. Since the facts is in Sweden. Finland was never a Viking Country, And Finnish people didnt follow the Vikings on their Journeys to the East, You like everybodyelse along the Baltic and Eastern route had to pay us taxes.
You did not know about normal Viking freemen liking bright coloured clothes, did not study and look into matters, but instead went back into old knowledge, now obsolete and false.
(you do that a lot, and this is yet one more reason you clash with other people so often)
And I'd like to remind you that Viking sailors and warriors were common freemen, there was no warrior-caste and no profession as "warrior".
I never said that Finnic areas were Viking country..
The vikings lived for battle and raids, They werent even leet in to the bigger towns in Scandinavia back then. To be a Viking was to be a Warrior´, Many poor farmers choosed that way of life, They even got hired by foreign powers because of their skills in war (Byzantium was one of them). At the end of the Viking age they lived on their reputation and got hired by foreign powers, They even raided eachother in Sweden,Denmark and Norway.
Southern Sweden back then was Danish, THe people of Skåne and blekinge,Halland was Danes. Sweden didnt Conquer it until 1658.
If a Scandinavian Man back then choosed to be a Viking, He wouldnt had been let in to the major towns of Scandinavia. So to be a Viking was to be a Warrior, They earned more money out of pillage and plunder.
Vikings where traders AND warriors, If they encounted a rich town or a village without much protection they raided it, The Swedes were different in many terms if you compare them to the Danish or the Norwegian, Sweden back then werent united under one King, Sweden were divided up in three smaller Kingdoms, West Gothia, East Gothia and Svithjod. We used our raids and plunder to make the Eastern Tribes to pay taxes t us for Protection.
I only clash with Finns believing to much in their own made up theorys. I wont accept any theorys without any proof to back them up, And Finland back then was just a Country without any organisation, Only living in small tribes here and there much like the Samis today are doing.
This arrgant and false notion you have is the reason for Finns to dislike you. Since we have shown you time and again that this old-fashioned theory of your is not true.
Häme-kindom, Karelian freemen, Kven Kindom and Hunderd Counties fiefdom were areas of rule back then. Living in normal iron age villages and small towns, having advanced hillfort-system and Kindom-wide rule.(archeology backs this up)
-We had kings and queens, advanced iron-forging skill and good trade relations with Vikings.
THats nothing else then bullshit theorys, When Sweden marched in with its forces during the "Crusade age" They didnt encounter any advanced Kingdoms or forces.
Swedish Kings were known to seek brides from Finnish areas, funny bit of information you'd not accepet, whatever the reasons you have.
How can a simple tribe have all the elements of a society and a Kindom without being one?
How were we different?
-Finns lacked written knowledge, information was passed down via poet singing.
-As Swedes(after Viking era) gained control of Åbo area and then invaded and occupied Häme via land, they did not win by being more advanced, but simply more numerous.
Norwegian Kings took brides from the kvens in the North, Not from the Finns, The Swedes didnt take any Finns at all, They took Central european brides from time to time to hold good relations to the Kingdoms in the south.
The Swedes won because of all the battlehardened soldiers (It was a huge civil war in Sweden before the invasion of Finland) and because of more advanced equiment, Everything you write is just plain bad theorys.
Stop your ugly "assumings" and theorys, The language barriars where to huge and Swedes didnt have any interest in Finns at all, Since there were no riches to gain from Finns like it was in the East.
Finland became a part of Sweden in the early Scandinavian Medieval age when Sweden and Novgorod fought for expansions in the baltic and Finland areas, Before that we didnt have much connection to eachother except for some small trade and some Gotland raid to u.
Oldest information about Vikings still in usage hail from the beginning of previous century.
At that time, genetics was unheard of, racial superority was sought via archeology and promotion of own "race" was commonplace to do by using History.
Such settings downplayed others and promoted own kin.
Nowadays scientific studies aid archeology and new information is discovered as old, biased promotions are left at their worth.
Many theories about Vikings have been corrected, same with Finnos.
@ArmaFennica Actually now you are wrong. There was infact a profession as warrior. "Hird", "Huskar" and so on. This is well documented. Read a new book "Vikings in war" by Kim Hjardar (historian and lector at the uni of Oslo) and Vegard Vike (archeolog, museum in Oslo), or any other newer course letteratur on the subject.
@ArmaFennica You had the "Huskarer", "Hirdmenn", "Gjester" osv. Huskarer was a lesser version of Hirdmenn, or a former one. They did indeed take part of raids, countless of sorces upon that, both in Icelandic sagas, Orkney saga, and in English and Irish sources them selfs. And why wouldnt a chieftains personal soldiers fallow him in raids? Its just dosent make seance at all.
Well, yes, the professional warriors with their chieftains made up a class, the "upper" class. However -
-Yes, there was a small core of soldiers. No, they did not form a class in the society and no, they were not nearly the only ones in the raids.
Naturally they would follow the lord, but also their duties dictated them to guard the home so that rival chieftain -a king- would not conquer that area while the lord was away.
-Ships were VERY expensive, only lords could upkeep them. But manpower was normal freemen of Viking society.
@ArmaFennica Well, it all depend on how you define the term "class". Historians, like the once i refered too, would disagree with you. As I said, the freeman made up the bulk (main part), while the houskarls were the core. Further more, i provided you with lots of sources regarding this subject. Actually, in Snorres Kongesaga, there is not a single example of the chieftain leaving his elite-men at home, while going on raids.
In any case, I have litarature in Swedish, Norwigian and in Finnish about Vikings and their journeys, societies and lifestyle. Old and new books.
-I do know what you referr to, but see the context in which this topic was talked about.
Viking chiefs did not have the funds to uphold large body of soldiers, that is why house-Guards were always the small elite, backbone to any army the lord would muster.
@ArmaFennica - this class did not go raiding by them self, but made up the core of a raiding party. Free farmers made up the bulk. To have a ship, large enough for raids, you had to be "someone" in the society.
cool music and pictures, was interrested to learn about the styrup, I had heard that the the vikings didn't ride horses very well. The font of your words was very cool, but sometimes it was hard to read them in the background. I really think the helmet that was in the video and is your avatar pic is REALLY badass, is there a story behind it>?
yes i know, The texts in the Video are hard to read sometimes :/
Yes thoose helmets have been found in Sweden, Next to a River calld Vendel in Uppland. Thats why that era is named "vendel era" And they used "Elite" Warriors which fought with Horses. During the Viking age that technique where lost.. Not many used Horses then, because it was more Manly to fight in Foots or something :/ It was something with the NorseMythology which made the Viking leave the Horse.
cool vid. vikings were warriors of their time. finns or balts were not ably to beat them on that time...and what video it was that u have discussion ??
well the Vendel era and Viking era in Swedish History were great Warriors.. But not Noble ones, They were very brutal against their Foe. Booth Men and Women/Kids.
i want a helmet like that! I cant stop listening totaht song by the way, where di d you get it??
I thought your video was great too because I met a swedish dude one time who tried to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about cause I said swedes were vikings too. Although obviously the vendel era is before the viking era, the point remains the same.
The Song is a cover of a Swedish Folksong from the Medieval Era, Made by Garmarna.
Garmarna - Njaalkeme.
Yes, The Vendel era was before the Swedish Viking era.. It was the Vendels in Sweden who explored the ways in tho Russia, which the Swedish Vikings later would use for their Trade and raids.
Anyone know where I might find a GOOD, professional documentary on the history of Scandinavia? English history has hundreds of choices, but try to learn the history of Sweden or Norway and all you get is Viking stuff! What about their general history, monarchy, foundation and all ot that? Surely SOMEONE has done a documentary on these countries! I don't care if there are english sub-titles, close enuf! I have Nordic blood in my veins and want to learn! thanx!
talitakoomi 10 months ago
@talitakoomi Look at Coolthing100:s videos, He have made alot of Videos about Swedish history, Might be interesting for you :) And its not Viking videos xD
joonte1010 10 months ago
@talitakoomi All you need to know is that swedes were liars.And snobs.Still are.
GreedAndSelfishness 3 months ago
@GreedAndSelfishness Oh, I guess all the findings in Sweden just turned up mysteriously sometime during the 19th century or 20th century! How these findings are over a thousend years old in some places is still a mystery thou!..
joonte1010 3 months ago
U make good videos! ;-)
BeautySavesWorld 11 months ago
Very cool video.
ToTheConquered 11 months ago
@NORMAN1061SICILY Ancient Greeks were Scandinavian! LoL!
timotimekvej 1 year ago
What is the music used in this video?
Spacepup18 1 year ago 2
Kinda one-sided...
tttc 2 years ago
Sjukt dåliga färger på texten, kan inte läsa ett skit...
jagda09 2 years ago 4
not exactly but yeah
Noahwig 2 years ago
Vad heter låten/ artisten mycket mysig video, texten vad dock mkt svårläst
UlfLundell 2 years ago
Garmarna - Njaalkeme.
Dom gör covers på gamla folklåtar.
Ja jag vet att texten kan vara svår att läsa ibland.
joonte1010 2 years ago
HAHAHA oddsen!!! jag köpte skivan igår och ser detta idag! Dom var från Sundsvall och jag med så jag tänkte att jag skulle stötta den inhemska kulturen^^ fy fan vad sjukt. Vet du att vi har en begravd Vendel hövding här i Sundsvall. Tre stora gravhögar, man har hittat hans svärd, sköld och tre yxor och en massa annat. Högoms mannen kallas han.
UlfLundell 2 years ago
Har man värkligen hittat en vendel grav ända upp i sundsvall? :O
Noahwig 2 years ago
O ja, det finns tre stora gravhögar och två runstenar i Sundsvall. Det finns lämningar av en gammal borg från den tiden ocksåi Timrå. Det var en mycket stor handel med järn, det fanns även byar som Gene vid örnsköldsvik och en annan vid Östersund.
Sen om jag inte minns fel fanns det en vid Söderhamn också.
UlfLundell 2 years ago
Very interesting.What's the song title and artist?
OriginalMacedonian 2 years ago
Nice vid. Vendel era was truly mysterious. Particularly the commonalities with the Sutton Hoo findings of England.
torhjelm 2 years ago
I think it has to do with the migration times of the Germanic tribes. Recently they've discovered that mot english people have more in common with Dutch and Germans than people from Wales.
But Sutton Hoo is still mysterious, so is the new treasure the found lately.
UlfLundell 2 years ago
very interesting
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
In america they are kid steorotypes that they
dont like history class.. BUT IM AMERICAN AND I LOVE IT
PerAnkan 2 years ago
*The ancient Greeks were the Scandinavian!* explain more about that one.
Arodon3x0 2 years ago
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Noahwig 2 years ago
barbarians if you whant to se history come to mesopotamia :D
fuckturks2223 2 years ago
Kiev was just a small settlement before the Swedish Vikings arrived, When we took it we made it bigger and more wealthy thanx to their connections to the Silk Road and Byzantium Empire.
joonte1010 2 years ago
@joonte1010 he he he .. fake history .. teach us what we wanna to see .. not what its really happen ?!!!
theRUNALISTMANN 1 year ago
@theRUNALISTMANN Fake history?
joonte1010 1 year ago
@joonte1010 you know what i mean .. !!! Just ... forgery and more forgery !!! and i can say you are my favorite one ... long time a have Not see such a strong anti-Slavic attitude as you have !!! and my favorite post wrote by you its one were you have try to explain that how we Slavs have got our name !!! i can say the stupidest thing i NEVER SAW !!!
theRUNALISTMANN 1 year ago
@theRUNALISTMANN I really dont understand whats false with this video? Can you explain that for me? This is about the vendel age in Sweden, Before the Viking age.
joonte1010 1 year ago
@joonte1010 entire your history its FAKE !!! and you should see the distribution of I y-dna chromosome ;) it will explain a lot to you !!! and yes i have to tell you this ... Slav on my language mean " the word " , and in same time mean " the glory " ... so we call our selfs SLAVS which mean ... " the Glorious one , who speak same language " ... !!!
theRUNALISTMANN 1 year ago
@theRUNALISTMANN Allright your blocked, I dont need any weird retarded Slavs arguing about Swedish history being a fake which its not, And its not my fault your ancestors where harried off as slaves by my ancestors ^^
joonte1010 1 year ago
Use Full screen, If you have problem with the English language i cant help you since i suck on it.
joonte1010 2 years ago
And Some Finns did follow on the routes to the East. It's rather foolish to assume otherwise.
-Simply because many of the areas were populated by Finnic kin back then and Finns knew the routes.
-It's undiable advantage to have both guides, fellow travellers and people who know the language with traders.
Either that, or you question Vikings intelligence with your assumptions that they did not ask for guidance, interpreter and additional protection.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
Its stupid to assume and build up theorys through that, The Vikings didnt have any need for protection or guides, They explored for themself, And if they encountered a rich Town/Village they raided it. If it was worth it. much of the tribes in the East was under Swedish Viking Controll, They paid taxes to us for "protection". And the language barriar was to huge between Swedes and Finns.
joonte1010 2 years ago
This is as false it can get.
-Local guides is a must with all and every explorers. `History of exploration´ should give you good insights.
Additional pair of eyes and mouth speaking local languages was a valuable addtions.
-You must have not been in the army, otherwise you'd not argue about guard-duties.
Viking-parties were not large as they sought new trade-lanes, raids were off limits. They sought trade-lanes!!
I am shocked how little you seem to know about Vikings.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
haha you claim that i know litle about my History? Look at you and your ennoying assumings and theorys, You are the one who brings up Bullshits.
The Vikings didnt use any Local guides e.t.c, The people of Sweden in the early Vendel age had allready explored much of the Eastern routes to the East, Same routes as the Vikings later would use.
joonte1010 2 years ago
You claim that Eastern settlements were under Viking taxation. This is again false information, and seems to be added by you to augment your nationalistic views.
-There were quite a few of them, Slavonic and Finno. Not many of them were under Viking influnce.
Viking trade-towns and settlements were indeed founded there, but locals destroyed them. Because they did not behave.
-Later four tribes invited one Viking tribe to come back and rule them.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
In the Icelandic Saga Great Svitjod is mentioned, And it was from todays Sweden to the Black sea in the East, Tribes that was under Swedish controll and paid taxes to us, We had great influence in the East and established the First Russian organisation (Kievan Rus organisation).
Kiev and Novgorod are some towns that were created by Vikings.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Is that a nice way to say about Sweden and its people? its we who created ur Country, Built it up. Litle finn.
joonte1010 3 years ago
Has it ever occured to you that Finns might only treat you as you treat us?
Really joonte, the utter denial you have towards history is in direct contradiction with your claimed intrest with it.
ArmaFennica 3 years ago
I really dont give a shit about Finland and Finns, As long as faggets such as that guy writting bullshit around in Swedish Videos.
joonte1010 3 years ago
And has it ever occured to you why people seem to have distaste for your imput?
Again; you have keen intrest on History?
-If you say yes, you should be able to comprehend your own contradiction.
I'll toss you an example; Just few years ago, scientific history was able to determine that Viking-era men, especially Vikings themselves, really valued colourful clothes.
-This information was aquired through science and history.
-If you'll accept that, you will have to start accepting new Finn info
ArmaFennica 3 years ago
Only the Rich traders in Sweden used colourfull clothes, Not the Warriors. And no, I will never accept bad theorys from either Poland,Russia or Finland. Since the facts is in Sweden. Finland was never a Viking Country, And Finnish people didnt follow the Vikings on their Journeys to the East, You like everybodyelse along the Baltic and Eastern route had to pay us taxes.
joonte1010 3 years ago
THere you go.
You did not know about normal Viking freemen liking bright coloured clothes, did not study and look into matters, but instead went back into old knowledge, now obsolete and false.
(you do that a lot, and this is yet one more reason you clash with other people so often)
And I'd like to remind you that Viking sailors and warriors were common freemen, there was no warrior-caste and no profession as "warrior".
I never said that Finnic areas were Viking country..
ArmaFennica 2 years ago 6
The vikings lived for battle and raids, They werent even leet in to the bigger towns in Scandinavia back then. To be a Viking was to be a Warrior´, Many poor farmers choosed that way of life, They even got hired by foreign powers because of their skills in war (Byzantium was one of them). At the end of the Viking age they lived on their reputation and got hired by foreign powers, They even raided eachother in Sweden,Denmark and Norway.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Vikings lived for normal farmer and fisherman life.
-Raids were made to gain additional money and reputation, but to think that Vikings were hellbent raiding marauders is rather foolish.
Later times Bysantine indeed hired Varangian Guard. But that was after Bysantine army had beaten Northmen raid-attempt.
Vikings as you said, fought eachothers constantly. Danes and Swedes in particular, and Danes owned all of fruitful southern sweden.
-But they also traded and worked together.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
Southern Sweden back then was Danish, THe people of Skåne and blekinge,Halland was Danes. Sweden didnt Conquer it until 1658.
If a Scandinavian Man back then choosed to be a Viking, He wouldnt had been let in to the major towns of Scandinavia. So to be a Viking was to be a Warrior, They earned more money out of pillage and plunder.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Vikings were foremost traders, exploration was means to expand trade-net.
-Raids were made with different boats, and with full war-colours. Honest in that sence.
Vikings were first and foremost freemen farmers, second as traders and only third warriors.
Vikings refined their raiding methods throughout the Viking-era, foolish to assume that boat-crew were automatically ferocious raiders.
Their shock-strikes did bore great fruit in the Central European areas.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
Vikings where traders AND warriors, If they encounted a rich town or a village without much protection they raided it, The Swedes were different in many terms if you compare them to the Danish or the Norwegian, Sweden back then werent united under one King, Sweden were divided up in three smaller Kingdoms, West Gothia, East Gothia and Svithjod. We used our raids and plunder to make the Eastern Tribes to pay taxes t us for Protection.
joonte1010 2 years ago
I only clash with Finns believing to much in their own made up theorys. I wont accept any theorys without any proof to back them up, And Finland back then was just a Country without any organisation, Only living in small tribes here and there much like the Samis today are doing.
joonte1010 2 years ago
This arrgant and false notion you have is the reason for Finns to dislike you. Since we have shown you time and again that this old-fashioned theory of your is not true.
Häme-kindom, Karelian freemen, Kven Kindom and Hunderd Counties fiefdom were areas of rule back then. Living in normal iron age villages and small towns, having advanced hillfort-system and Kindom-wide rule.(archeology backs this up)
-We had kings and queens, advanced iron-forging skill and good trade relations with Vikings.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
THats nothing else then bullshit theorys, When Sweden marched in with its forces during the "Crusade age" They didnt encounter any advanced Kingdoms or forces.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Swedish Kings were known to seek brides from Finnish areas, funny bit of information you'd not accepet, whatever the reasons you have.
How can a simple tribe have all the elements of a society and a Kindom without being one?
How were we different?
-Finns lacked written knowledge, information was passed down via poet singing.
-As Swedes(after Viking era) gained control of Åbo area and then invaded and occupied Häme via land, they did not win by being more advanced, but simply more numerous.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
Norwegian Kings took brides from the kvens in the North, Not from the Finns, The Swedes didnt take any Finns at all, They took Central european brides from time to time to hold good relations to the Kingdoms in the south.
The Swedes won because of all the battlehardened soldiers (It was a huge civil war in Sweden before the invasion of Finland) and because of more advanced equiment, Everything you write is just plain bad theorys.
joonte1010 2 years ago
And what is "Old knowledge" then?
Stop your ugly "assumings" and theorys, The language barriars where to huge and Swedes didnt have any interest in Finns at all, Since there were no riches to gain from Finns like it was in the East.
Finland became a part of Sweden in the early Scandinavian Medieval age when Sweden and Novgorod fought for expansions in the baltic and Finland areas, Before that we didnt have much connection to eachother except for some small trade and some Gotland raid to u.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Oldest information about Vikings still in usage hail from the beginning of previous century.
At that time, genetics was unheard of, racial superority was sought via archeology and promotion of own "race" was commonplace to do by using History.
Such settings downplayed others and promoted own kin.
Nowadays scientific studies aid archeology and new information is discovered as old, biased promotions are left at their worth.
Many theories about Vikings have been corrected, same with Finnos.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago 3
Vikings traded with Finns. Common knowledge.
-Vikings valued furs, woodtar and pure, magnificent lake-ore.
Vikings did attempt raids, but as Hillfort-system and "hidden houses" worked, they settled for normal trade.
-Did you know that Finnish smiths must have been visiting Viking ones? I guess not.
Novgorod had excellent relations with Karelian Freemen, while Åbo-hundred counties were tied to Sweden via trade.
-Expansion as you said, was due to the Papal orders. Not Swedish will.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago
@ArmaFennica Actually now you are wrong. There was infact a profession as warrior. "Hird", "Huskar" and so on. This is well documented. Read a new book "Vikings in war" by Kim Hjardar (historian and lector at the uni of Oslo) and Vegard Vike (archeolog, museum in Oslo), or any other newer course letteratur on the subject.
tordengud 1 month ago in playlist nordic power
@tordengud
>I had to read our age old debate in order to present an answer. It's both yes and no.
-While you are right about the house-Guards, the only standing form of military... they did not partake the raids.
In addition, House-Guards were always a small group of soldiers, and they never formed a class in a society.
The debate was about Vikings having this entire class of society, conducting raids and pillaging.
ArmaFennica 1 month ago
@ArmaFennica You had the "Huskarer", "Hirdmenn", "Gjester" osv. Huskarer was a lesser version of Hirdmenn, or a former one. They did indeed take part of raids, countless of sorces upon that, both in Icelandic sagas, Orkney saga, and in English and Irish sources them selfs. And why wouldnt a chieftains personal soldiers fallow him in raids? Its just dosent make seance at all.
Well, yes, the professional warriors with their chieftains made up a class, the "upper" class. However -
tordengud 1 month ago
@tordengud
As I said, yes and no.
-Yes, there was a small core of soldiers. No, they did not form a class in the society and no, they were not nearly the only ones in the raids.
Naturally they would follow the lord, but also their duties dictated them to guard the home so that rival chieftain -a king- would not conquer that area while the lord was away.
-Ships were VERY expensive, only lords could upkeep them. But manpower was normal freemen of Viking society.
All in all, we agree.
ArmaFennica 1 month ago
@ArmaFennica Well, it all depend on how you define the term "class". Historians, like the once i refered too, would disagree with you. As I said, the freeman made up the bulk (main part), while the houskarls were the core. Further more, i provided you with lots of sources regarding this subject. Actually, in Snorres Kongesaga, there is not a single example of the chieftain leaving his elite-men at home, while going on raids.
tordengud 1 month ago
@tordengud
You provided lots of sources?
-Did you PM those?
In any case, I have litarature in Swedish, Norwigian and in Finnish about Vikings and their journeys, societies and lifestyle. Old and new books.
-I do know what you referr to, but see the context in which this topic was talked about.
Viking chiefs did not have the funds to uphold large body of soldiers, that is why house-Guards were always the small elite, backbone to any army the lord would muster.
ArmaFennica 4 weeks ago
@ArmaFennica - this class did not go raiding by them self, but made up the core of a raiding party. Free farmers made up the bulk. To have a ship, large enough for raids, you had to be "someone" in the society.
tordengud 1 month ago
We all need a cool video about the bloodbath of Stockholm and Kristian IX and other "fine" Danish kings!
jettbugg 3 years ago
Or a nice movie of the burnings of Danish Skåne, the march across the belts, the burning of Germany or the Polish Deluge =)
roth1c 3 years ago
Yes, all the cool stuff that made us what we are
jettbugg 3 years ago
Svensk folkmusik från tidig Medeltid ^^
En Cover gjord av Garmarna.
Garmarna - Njaalkeme.
Låten är riktigt skön ja!
joonte1010 3 years ago
good video, vendel era, true born of vikings! :)
kvicken2000 3 years ago 2
u cant read the Text? hahaha...
joonte1010 3 years ago
He has got a good point.
MastaMag 3 years ago 3
cool music and pictures, was interrested to learn about the styrup, I had heard that the the vikings didn't ride horses very well. The font of your words was very cool, but sometimes it was hard to read them in the background. I really think the helmet that was in the video and is your avatar pic is REALLY badass, is there a story behind it>?
13anjowizard 3 years ago
yes i know, The texts in the Video are hard to read sometimes :/
Yes thoose helmets have been found in Sweden, Next to a River calld Vendel in Uppland. Thats why that era is named "vendel era" And they used "Elite" Warriors which fought with Horses. During the Viking age that technique where lost.. Not many used Horses then, because it was more Manly to fight in Foots or something :/ It was something with the NorseMythology which made the Viking leave the Horse.
joonte1010 3 years ago
cool vid. vikings were warriors of their time. finns or balts were not ably to beat them on that time...and what video it was that u have discussion ??
0finlander0 3 years ago
well the Vendel era and Viking era in Swedish History were great Warriors.. But not Noble ones, They were very brutal against their Foe. Booth Men and Women/Kids.
joonte1010 3 years ago
i want a helmet like that! I cant stop listening totaht song by the way, where di d you get it??
I thought your video was great too because I met a swedish dude one time who tried to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about cause I said swedes were vikings too. Although obviously the vendel era is before the viking era, the point remains the same.
13anjowizard 3 years ago
The Song is a cover of a Swedish Folksong from the Medieval Era, Made by Garmarna.
Garmarna - Njaalkeme.
Yes, The Vendel era was before the Swedish Viking era.. It was the Vendels in Sweden who explored the ways in tho Russia, which the Swedish Vikings later would use for their Trade and raids.
joonte1010 3 years ago