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Of course, the world will never go GREEN because the EVIL JEW MONEY ILLUMINATI ZIONIST ELITE have made a machine called the HAARP Thingy Gadget which makes Earthquakes and Hurricanes and Heat Waves and Cold Spells and causes GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.
I haven't seen it, but it's there. And gets hot 'cos the EVIL ELITE make it too hot. And it gets cold 'cos the EVIL ELITE make it too cold.
And that's why we have to give up all our money and freedoms to a World Controller and stop having babies.
No no NO! The parts for the windmills will be made by magical GREEN elves in their special Earth-friendly workshops. Then, the GREEN pixie-fairies will magically FLY them to the locations where Zephyrus or Boreas will steadily blow for us after they've had a quick chat to Gaia, The Earth Goddess - all of whom will like we Humans now 'cos we've decided to love the Earth by going Green.
im all for going green.. personally i feel we should use the roof on the buildings to collect solar energy... + there should be a competitor to oil... algae fuel (cleans the water and air when its growing).. the thing is i believe a we should not subsidize any thing i listed or any thing period for that matter... let the people choose weather or not to purchase alternatives and possibly save them selfs some money... by no means should these alternative be forced upon people peace...
I would like to see Klavan do something that is more mature than knocking down a strawman, quote mining and outright misrepresenting the other side. I've watched enough of his "stuff" to know better.
@colddrake80 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
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This is ridiculous, green energy cost more money, so what? Better than having the world filled with toxic chemicals. Better get researching and constructing now, before it's too late. Every eco-footprint reduced it's another step towards a brighter future for our children's.
@VietKid27 solar-voltaic cells use rare earth elements, found mostly in China. They take an enormous amount of diesel to power the mining equipment to extract them. They use more energy in their manufacturing process than they produce in a lifetime of use.
woo hhoooooo i can burn all the dead dinosaurs i want cause it's the greenest thing around thanx for showing me the truth who needs a green jobs when we have oil, now to move everyone out of poverty and provide energy for 7 billion people, on the planet YES, let the glabal warming party begin, by the way that;s called sarcasm,
just because we you'r model for green energy involves subsidies does't mean it's not the way of the future, and if you havent noticed electric cars were built back when cars were first made, with hemp plastics, but for some reason we chose oil and it's synthetic plastics,yeah birds fly into turbine but atleast they don't turn the ocean into acid but i guess you forgot that
hahaha, where is your Solyndra scandel now GoP whores? What do you have to say now that they broke on Gary Andres being the one responsible not only for signing off on the loan, but PUSHING for it and it turns out was WORKING for a firm hired to LOBBY for Solyndra on top of it...and he was a top GOP AIDE!
And to top it off, everything shows that the Administration didnt like the idea of the loan but went with it because of the Committee recomendation!
@rdrakken@rdrakken I'm not defending Gary Andres, but is seems that you've got this story all wrong. From every article I've read, Andres wasn't involved in the contract between Solyndra and Dutko. He couldn't have signed off on the loan, because he would have had to have either worked on the loan for Dutko, which he didn't or he would have had to been employed by the U.S. DOE, which he wasn't. The fact still remains that the top insider at Solyndra was and is an Obama campaign bundler.
Isn't "Green" synonymous to "sustainable"? That's what I thought. But yeah, FUCK green jobs! lol, let's just keep drilling until the resources on Earth run out. Hopefully by then we will have built a spacecraft that runs on poor people so we can make our way to the next planet and use up all those resources.
OR
We can continue to DEVELOP solar and wind (and other sustainable) technologies, which I think will allow our society to hybridize our methods of energy generation and storage.
@sherajr People will develop alternatives to oil on their own, when we do start to run out of oil. Just like how we developed fiber optic cables and satellites to carry information, in order to replace copper wire. Just like we developed semiconductor technology to replace vacuum tubes in computers. All without any government subsidies.
@sherajr but...the solar and wind technologies require the power of fossil fuels to run. And with their low success rate as of now, aren't we just burning our limited supply faster by failing with green energy?
Video is misleading, and offensive in the way it mocks and discredits the achievements of scientists and engineers.
Solar panels are actually very effective, and bound to become more efficient as well as versatile. A PV polycrystalline module will produce enough clean power in about four years to offset the energy required to manufacture it. I wonder bother to discredit the other arguments in the video, but to sum it up you unfortunately have to consume a little energy to save a lot more.
Ah see right here, Halliburton REVENUE ( As in money it creates, not is given ) is 18.279 billion...Operating income comes in at 4 billion which means its profits are 14 billion...Now lets see what we got for Solybear.
Solyndra Revenue.... "Pending"... Bankrupt in fact.
Smell that, sniff it in Drakken; that's the sweet scent of victory... and don't try to say they haven't been operating long enough to have a revenue stream, they've had 6 years since 2005.
Oh and for the sake of the fun of it, Hallie makes its money through its product... unlike Solyindra. They didn't need to be raided as their services were all legitimate....unlike Solyindra.
@rdrakken: No, it's the other way 'round: If a policy is ridiculously nonsensical but people still keep pushing it with religious fervor and close their ears to any inconvenient facts, sometimes the only thing one can do is to resort to humour.
@eshah100 No. It's the other way 'round: If a policy is meant to change old outdated policy to get off us something that is becoming BOTH expensive AND is holding the nation back it becomes the ONLY real option...unless you are a corporate whore that is wholey owned by the industry its meant to replace.
In that case, ridicule and demonize it so the mouth breathers stay in tow like good little sheep and fight your battles for you.
@rdrakken: If something actually is becoming too expensive / "holding the nation back" and there are cheaper / more desirable alternatives, the market will adapt by itself.
If large-scale government intervention is required to force a change, this ALWAYS means that the change is not towards something cheaper and more desirable for the majority of market players, but the opposite - usually something more expensive that's only desired by certain (ideologically motivated) people.
@eshah100 Not if the market is being controlled. You just pay about 1/1000th of your profit to pay a few people in the media for a smear campaign to stop the change from happening and even with the Neo-Con corporate machine spending as much as they have the price of Solar Panels have dropped to affordable rates and a 66% increase in installations this year.
The rest of your comment is pure ideological fallacy with no historical accuracy...no wonder you like this video so much.
@rdrakken : You're missing the point. If green energy really was cheaper to produce than traditional energy, the big energy companies wouldn't try to stop it, they would themselves try to profit from it!!!
Also, your media conspiracy phobia is laughable. Most of the media *supports* the green ideology. Stop using the few journalists and news networks that oppose it as strawmen to deny the fact that the "green economy" utopia can't stand on its own ecomonically.
@eshah100 You're missing the point. green energy HAS been cheaper to produce than traditional energy, the big energy companies CANT profit from it.An oil company wont profit from SOLAR ENERGY/ELECTRIC CAR USE. An electric company wont profit from SOLAR ENERGY/ETHANOL USE.
Also, your media conspiracy theory that the media is behind green ideology because the few journalists and news networks that are against it is laughable while not telling you about the economies that ARE WORKING...lol derp.
Yeah...it does. The question is do you understand how presidential stocks work? Its illegal for a president to personally choose where he want to put his money in an investment of that nature because everyone else would put their stock their. Instead a commission chooses places at random... Bush didn't even know he had stock in Hollie till a leftist journalist leaked it... love the irony really.
@BoyKagome Speaking of Irony, Obama didnt know he had stock in Solyndra until a rightwing journalist invented the idea that he did because someone that owned part of the company donated money to the Obama campaign...and the McCain campaign...and the Paul campaign.
Doh!
So much for your bullshit. Halliburton was a REAL controversy. Not, oh noes 1 company out of 1000s that got money folded ITS PROOF GREEN ENERGY IS A JOKE ZOMG LOLZ!
Ah so, Bush is evil if hes in Halli, but Obama's free and clear? It's interesting but I don't remember the FBI having to raid Halli... and I also don't remember millions of tax payer dollars going into Halli either. However Solyndra did have a FBI raid and wasted millions of tax payer dollars...
Doh!
... this is actually a fun way to debate, oh well what else ya got?
1. Bush's vice president was CEO of Hallburton AND owned 37 MILLION in their stocks.
2. Obama owns no party of Solyndra nor does Biden.
3. Solyndra was raided because its an American company...Halliburton moved their headquaters to the middle east out of the reach of American law...I wonder why. And you are right, Halli didnt get millions they got BILLIONS...moron.
There is no debate here, it requires two people bringing something real to a topic, not party bullshit.
Vice president... if you knew Halli was going to have such high stocks, should of put your own money in it. Regardless Bush is still blind to where his investments go, its required of the president.
Obama doesn't own Soly but they are still receiving tax payer dollars. Besides studies show for every 1 green job created, 2 are lost in the private sector... probably more....
Oh wait, I wont the debate; sweet. You broke debate etiquette by using insults, thanks for the win lefty. :)
@BoyKagome The fact you just fell back on the "OMG you swore" so I dont need to debate anymore thing proves you know you can no longer back your claims.
No... a debate is defined as Debate- " a formal exchange."... by swearing or insulting you break formality. You yourself called it a debate, which means by you saying moron you lose... and I negated your points for the fun of it anyway because I am human... and the more I talk I just become a conservative you hate more...and more...and more! Course you could end it by not replying but that's not something your pride will allow... or will it!... See only human.
@BoyKagome No. A debate is defined as " a formal METHOD of interactive and representational argument".
formal is not the definition, its the method of the meaning. The meaning is INTERACTIVE AND REPRESENTATIONAL ARGUMENT.
Learn the fucking language thundercunt. See, I swore AND completely refuted what you said by pointing out how you left out all the important information...namely what doesnt back your claim.
So, asshat cock munch, try making a claim with some credibility. shitcock.
You made no points, nothing to negate... actually your insults are just making me laugh at this point. Puppy barking behind a fence much? Awww whose a cute little Marxist, you are, you are... that's a good boy. Go redistribute the wealth boy, come on you can do it! Get the stick...
Well, as a famous frog once said, it ain't easy being green. It is, however, easy to waste taxpayer money on green boondoggles as long as you're a democrat politician. You know, like the communist currently occupying the white house.
@TurtleShroom Actually, most birds avoid them; but curiously they kill bats. And not because the bats hit the blades; no see when the windmill takes energy out of the wind, it causes are large drop in pressure in the air. When the bat flies into the low pressure region, the higher pressure air in it's lungs tries to escape and it's lungs pop like a balloon.
You forgot the part about how the windmills cause desert downwind because they suck the water and the energy out of the wind. Or the part about the land shaded by the solar cells - which pretty much destroys that ecosystem.
Or the witches brew of chemicals required to make the solar cells, or the materials in the wind turbines.
Or the difficulties in maintaining the wind turbines due to their remote and usually hilly locations.
I've been working on an idea that I think has real promise. I call it my "perpetual motion" machine. My progenitors first began working on it back in the Middle Ages, but we're getting closer every day!
A fusion reactor like the one you're describing might be even better though.
If there were only a way to harness the energy of the Sun at room temperature... perhaps by using unicorns to to gather pixie dust from over the rainbow...
Oh wait, I know! The H-Bomb! That's fusion, right?
@490er The largest H-bomb ever tested was the Tsar Bomba detonated by the USSR in 1961. Originally designed to yield 100Mt, it was reduced to 50Mt for the test. The fireball radius was approx 4km and the blast radius was about 35km. The 3-stage tritium design used in both US and Soviet arsenals improved beyond gun type (used in the Little Boy uranium bomb over Hiroshima) and the the implosion type (used in the Fat Man plutionium bomb over Nagasaki).
@OrionXIII I believe you on windmills sucking energy out of the wind. Do you have any references/links for that? I'd love to bring that up in an argument.
Thanks! The way they WORK is by transferring the mechanical energy of the wind into the rotation of the blades, which transfers to the generator, which converts to electricity, so naturally the wind energy is altered (slower).
I'm afraid I don't have any links handy - A google-search should turn some up. The blades cause moisture to condense on them, taking moisture out of the air - meaning it doesn't go downwind.
@OrionXIII LOL solar panel shade killing ecosystems? What a trivial argument. I'm literally laughing. How much shade does an oil drill create? Oh thats right, there are no trees, because they cut them all down, don't reforest the land, or recycle the countless gallons of water they waste, while polluting rivers; it's THE most corrupt business on earth. Furthermore, most solar panels are superficial additions to existing structures i.e. office buildings. You sir, are severely confused.
Well, I'm glad I can provide you some amusement - However, I wasn't referring to individual residential installations, I was talking about large-scale solar farms; The sort of thing that you'd use to replace a power plant with. Something on the scale of a large-scale wind farm rather than a household windmill.
Try to preach less and present facts more next time, OK? Evidently it was not I who was confused, but you.
@OrionXIII FACT: Oil companies create more shade and pollution than solar companies. Please refer to my other comment below for more facts. I clearly have more facts than you have brain cells. BTW, yes you are confused. A "large-scale solar farm" is a horrible idea, especially when solar panels can be built into the existing infrastructure of just about anything. Think outside the box blockhead.
There are a lot more Oil companies with much broader range of operations than Solar companies so your comparison is specious. WHAT other comment? I'm an Engineer, and I'm guessing you're not, so I doubt your brain cell insult is anywhere near factual.
And individual solar installations are not a replacement for large-scale energy generation: Which is what we've been discussing. My comment related to that, not to individual installations.
@OrionXIII LOL you're absolutely wrong. Babcock Ranch, FL is a city ran entirely off Solar energy. There are many more just like it around the world, which all use renewable energy. Houses, or entire buildings ran off renewable sources, makes no difference at all. Again, think outside the box.
Show me any one oil rig that creates less shade than any one solar panel. You can't, you're wrong again. Furthermore, if you can't scroll down 5 inches to see my comment, you're slower than I thought lol!
Um, I don't believe Babcock Ranch - a prototype 'city' (planned: 45K) - has been completed yet. But nice try. Care to list 'many more' just like it around the world? They don't seem to do well at night, either.
Child, you're either a troll or mentally challenged. Either way, you're really not worth the time it takes to reply to you. I'm an engineer, I've done work with renewable energy. You're an idiot. Have a good life.
@OrionXIII You're so mad, because I keep shooting down every argument you make. You keep saying "I'm an engineer" as if that means anything at all. I'm an astrophysicist and I've worked with NASA on solar technology. I'm not sure if you're getting paid enough to sit here and cry, lol.
"Show me any one oil rig that creates less shade than any one solar panel." I noticed you like to dodge questions that prove you wrong.
PS- Google "cities that run off of renewable energy" you helpless dolt.
@drysift oil companies also generate a lot more energy per square metre (feet if you deal in imperial measures) of shade. Also a lot more energy per dollar spent.
@NelsonDemartini91 That is absolutely wrong. Present some evidence to support your claim because that sounds ridiculous when you take into account the acres upon acres of devastated forest due to oil drilling. I don't believe that claim for one second. Furthermore, I'd pay more for a cleaner product anyway.
@drysift Not much forest land in Texas or Alaska.. Frankly most of the places they drill for oil are by definition deserts i.e. Saudi Arabia Kuwait, Libya. Now corn production, well most of the fields were once forest land and animal habitat. I see plenty of hunting shows in Texas., There they are sitting in their animal blinds watching herds of game meander back and forth through tons of mesquite and sage brush with a whole lot of oil rigs standing around. that oil production must be real bad
@cogit8able You're either ignorant, or just in denial. Google "Alberta tar sands water pollution" and do your homework. Apparently you have a lot to learn about energy production.
@Sumwun23 No, but we aren't anywhere near close to running out at this point, either. Of course scientists and engineers should continue working on increasing the efficiency of current technologies while the search continues for feasible replacements. There are numerous potential replacements for fossil fuels, but none of them are ready for prime time yet. Forcing a conversion now only makes energy more expensive for all, a great disservice to those among us with the least.
My point is that it's not READY. It's not scalable and wasting billions trying to pretend that it is is taking money from research that should be done to make it so while gutting our economy.
When do you think we're going to run out of gas? I think it's pretty clear that's not going to be anytime soon.
If oil really is running out, then why do you need politics and billions and billions of other people's money to get green energy? Won't the dwindling supplies raise prices, until alternative power becomes competitive? Will the oil- and electric companies just complacently close shop when the oil starts to run out, or will they diversify on their own into alternative power sources in preparation for that eventuality? Will car companies still sell gasoline-powered cars, -
- even when there is no affordable gasoline left, or will they diversify so as to remain competitive?
These things will happen, unbidden, when the technology is there and the time is right. And in the meantime, the subsidies will just make sure that the last bit of oil power is being burnt to create vastly less energy-intense "green" power - the figure I've heard is that each tank of ethanol fuel currently takes more than 2 tanks of gasoline to produce.
When the President announced the US would be training people for Green Jobs I was happy! I teach plumbing, especially the newer technologies that conserve water and energy. Also, I wanted to see if, by teaching 'the trades' to our young men who weren't going to college, we might provide another viable career path. Alas, that wasn't what the feds had in mind at all, not at all. It was all electrical, and expensive; we'll have to wait for another drought find money to train Green Plumbers
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badboygq3 2 days ago
Of course, the world will never go GREEN because the EVIL JEW MONEY ILLUMINATI ZIONIST ELITE have made a machine called the HAARP Thingy Gadget which makes Earthquakes and Hurricanes and Heat Waves and Cold Spells and causes GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.
I haven't seen it, but it's there. And gets hot 'cos the EVIL ELITE make it too hot. And it gets cold 'cos the EVIL ELITE make it too cold.
And that's why we have to give up all our money and freedoms to a World Controller and stop having babies.
Countrygent100 1 week ago
No no NO! The parts for the windmills will be made by magical GREEN elves in their special Earth-friendly workshops. Then, the GREEN pixie-fairies will magically FLY them to the locations where Zephyrus or Boreas will steadily blow for us after they've had a quick chat to Gaia, The Earth Goddess - all of whom will like we Humans now 'cos we've decided to love the Earth by going Green.
There.
See how easy that was!?
Countrygent100 1 week ago
im all for going green.. personally i feel we should use the roof on the buildings to collect solar energy... + there should be a competitor to oil... algae fuel (cleans the water and air when its growing).. the thing is i believe a we should not subsidize any thing i listed or any thing period for that matter... let the people choose weather or not to purchase alternatives and possibly save them selfs some money... by no means should these alternative be forced upon people peace...
88roro11 1 week ago
I would like to see Klavan do something that is more mature than knocking down a strawman, quote mining and outright misrepresenting the other side. I've watched enough of his "stuff" to know better.
colddrake80 3 weeks ago
@colddrake80 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 2 weeks ago
I like how government employees all have empty eyes!
mmaaaxxo 3 weeks ago
They painted Obama white. Racism!!!
topperheartramada 1 month ago
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kutuplos33 1 month ago
This is ridiculous, green energy cost more money, so what? Better than having the world filled with toxic chemicals. Better get researching and constructing now, before it's too late. Every eco-footprint reduced it's another step towards a brighter future for our children's.
VietKid27 1 month ago
@VietKid27 solar-voltaic cells use rare earth elements, found mostly in China. They take an enormous amount of diesel to power the mining equipment to extract them. They use more energy in their manufacturing process than they produce in a lifetime of use.
MrHamncheez 1 month ago
americans get dumber every day
powpanda 1 month ago
woo hhoooooo i can burn all the dead dinosaurs i want cause it's the greenest thing around thanx for showing me the truth who needs a green jobs when we have oil, now to move everyone out of poverty and provide energy for 7 billion people, on the planet YES, let the glabal warming party begin, by the way that;s called sarcasm,
igakoga3137 2 months ago
just because we you'r model for green energy involves subsidies does't mean it's not the way of the future, and if you havent noticed electric cars were built back when cars were first made, with hemp plastics, but for some reason we chose oil and it's synthetic plastics,yeah birds fly into turbine but atleast they don't turn the ocean into acid but i guess you forgot that
igakoga3137 2 months ago
hahaha, where is your Solyndra scandel now GoP whores? What do you have to say now that they broke on Gary Andres being the one responsible not only for signing off on the loan, but PUSHING for it and it turns out was WORKING for a firm hired to LOBBY for Solyndra on top of it...and he was a top GOP AIDE!
And to top it off, everything shows that the Administration didnt like the idea of the loan but went with it because of the Committee recomendation!
Eat more dick party whores...
rdrakken 2 months ago
@rdrakken @rdrakken I'm not defending Gary Andres, but is seems that you've got this story all wrong. From every article I've read, Andres wasn't involved in the contract between Solyndra and Dutko. He couldn't have signed off on the loan, because he would have had to have either worked on the loan for Dutko, which he didn't or he would have had to been employed by the U.S. DOE, which he wasn't. The fact still remains that the top insider at Solyndra was and is an Obama campaign bundler.
jscarter79 2 months ago
Isn't "Green" synonymous to "sustainable"? That's what I thought. But yeah, FUCK green jobs! lol, let's just keep drilling until the resources on Earth run out. Hopefully by then we will have built a spacecraft that runs on poor people so we can make our way to the next planet and use up all those resources.
OR
We can continue to DEVELOP solar and wind (and other sustainable) technologies, which I think will allow our society to hybridize our methods of energy generation and storage.
sherajr 3 months ago
@sherajr People will develop alternatives to oil on their own, when we do start to run out of oil. Just like how we developed fiber optic cables and satellites to carry information, in order to replace copper wire. Just like we developed semiconductor technology to replace vacuum tubes in computers. All without any government subsidies.
david52875 2 months ago
@sherajr but...the solar and wind technologies require the power of fossil fuels to run. And with their low success rate as of now, aren't we just burning our limited supply faster by failing with green energy?
mme725 2 months ago
silly fallacious arguments that merely make the editor look ignorant and amateur
pneumatictrousers 3 months ago
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Video is misleading, and offensive in the way it mocks and discredits the achievements of scientists and engineers.
Solar panels are actually very effective, and bound to become more efficient as well as versatile. A PV polycrystalline module will produce enough clean power in about four years to offset the energy required to manufacture it. I wonder bother to discredit the other arguments in the video, but to sum it up you unfortunately have to consume a little energy to save a lot more.
drysift 3 months ago
Ah see right here, Halliburton REVENUE ( As in money it creates, not is given ) is 18.279 billion...Operating income comes in at 4 billion which means its profits are 14 billion...Now lets see what we got for Solybear.
Solyndra Revenue.... "Pending"... Bankrupt in fact.
Smell that, sniff it in Drakken; that's the sweet scent of victory... and don't try to say they haven't been operating long enough to have a revenue stream, they've had 6 years since 2005.
BoyKagome 3 months ago
Oh and for the sake of the fun of it, Hallie makes its money through its product... unlike Solyindra. They didn't need to be raided as their services were all legitimate....unlike Solyindra.
BoyKagome 3 months ago
"The wind keeps stopping ... I think it's because of the Republicans" LOL
DontFriendInviteMe 3 months ago
wow, green jobs must be bad because its so easy to make fun of it!
When they take to having to Ridicule and Demonize you know the stance of the one doing it is weak.
rdrakken 4 months ago
@rdrakken: No, it's the other way 'round: If a policy is ridiculously nonsensical but people still keep pushing it with religious fervor and close their ears to any inconvenient facts, sometimes the only thing one can do is to resort to humour.
eshah100 4 months ago
@eshah100 No. It's the other way 'round: If a policy is meant to change old outdated policy to get off us something that is becoming BOTH expensive AND is holding the nation back it becomes the ONLY real option...unless you are a corporate whore that is wholey owned by the industry its meant to replace.
In that case, ridicule and demonize it so the mouth breathers stay in tow like good little sheep and fight your battles for you.
rdrakken 4 months ago
@rdrakken: If something actually is becoming too expensive / "holding the nation back" and there are cheaper / more desirable alternatives, the market will adapt by itself.
If large-scale government intervention is required to force a change, this ALWAYS means that the change is not towards something cheaper and more desirable for the majority of market players, but the opposite - usually something more expensive that's only desired by certain (ideologically motivated) people.
eshah100 4 months ago
@eshah100 Not if the market is being controlled. You just pay about 1/1000th of your profit to pay a few people in the media for a smear campaign to stop the change from happening and even with the Neo-Con corporate machine spending as much as they have the price of Solar Panels have dropped to affordable rates and a 66% increase in installations this year.
The rest of your comment is pure ideological fallacy with no historical accuracy...no wonder you like this video so much.
rdrakken 4 months ago
@rdrakken : You're missing the point. If green energy really was cheaper to produce than traditional energy, the big energy companies wouldn't try to stop it, they would themselves try to profit from it!!!
Also, your media conspiracy phobia is laughable. Most of the media *supports* the green ideology. Stop using the few journalists and news networks that oppose it as strawmen to deny the fact that the "green economy" utopia can't stand on its own ecomonically.
eshah100 4 months ago
*economically
eshah100 4 months ago
@eshah100 You're missing the point. green energy HAS been cheaper to produce than traditional energy, the big energy companies CANT profit from it.An oil company wont profit from SOLAR ENERGY/ELECTRIC CAR USE. An electric company wont profit from SOLAR ENERGY/ETHANOL USE.
Also, your media conspiracy theory that the media is behind green ideology because the few journalists and news networks that are against it is laughable while not telling you about the economies that ARE WORKING...lol derp.
rdrakken 4 months ago
@rdrakken
Does the name Solyndra mean anything to you?
BoyKagome 3 months ago
@BoyKagome Does the name Halliburton mean anything to you? Derp...durp.
rdrakken 3 months ago
@rdrakken
Yeah...it does. The question is do you understand how presidential stocks work? Its illegal for a president to personally choose where he want to put his money in an investment of that nature because everyone else would put their stock their. Instead a commission chooses places at random... Bush didn't even know he had stock in Hollie till a leftist journalist leaked it... love the irony really.
BoyKagome 3 months ago
@BoyKagome Speaking of Irony, Obama didnt know he had stock in Solyndra until a rightwing journalist invented the idea that he did because someone that owned part of the company donated money to the Obama campaign...and the McCain campaign...and the Paul campaign.
Doh!
So much for your bullshit. Halliburton was a REAL controversy. Not, oh noes 1 company out of 1000s that got money folded ITS PROOF GREEN ENERGY IS A JOKE ZOMG LOLZ!
rdrakken 3 months ago
@rdrakken
Ah so, Bush is evil if hes in Halli, but Obama's free and clear? It's interesting but I don't remember the FBI having to raid Halli... and I also don't remember millions of tax payer dollars going into Halli either. However Solyndra did have a FBI raid and wasted millions of tax payer dollars...
Doh!
... this is actually a fun way to debate, oh well what else ya got?
BoyKagome 3 months ago
@BoyKagome
1. Bush's vice president was CEO of Hallburton AND owned 37 MILLION in their stocks.
2. Obama owns no party of Solyndra nor does Biden.
3. Solyndra was raided because its an American company...Halliburton moved their headquaters to the middle east out of the reach of American law...I wonder why. And you are right, Halli didnt get millions they got BILLIONS...moron.
There is no debate here, it requires two people bringing something real to a topic, not party bullshit.
rdrakken 3 months ago
@rdrakken
Vice president... if you knew Halli was going to have such high stocks, should of put your own money in it. Regardless Bush is still blind to where his investments go, its required of the president.
Obama doesn't own Soly but they are still receiving tax payer dollars. Besides studies show for every 1 green job created, 2 are lost in the private sector... probably more....
Oh wait, I wont the debate; sweet. You broke debate etiquette by using insults, thanks for the win lefty. :)
BoyKagome 3 months ago
@BoyKagome The fact you just fell back on the "OMG you swore" so I dont need to debate anymore thing proves you know you can no longer back your claims.
Thank you.
rdrakken 3 months ago
@rdrakken
No... a debate is defined as Debate- " a formal exchange."... by swearing or insulting you break formality. You yourself called it a debate, which means by you saying moron you lose... and I negated your points for the fun of it anyway because I am human... and the more I talk I just become a conservative you hate more...and more...and more! Course you could end it by not replying but that's not something your pride will allow... or will it!... See only human.
BoyKagome 3 months ago
@BoyKagome No. A debate is defined as " a formal METHOD of interactive and representational argument".
formal is not the definition, its the method of the meaning. The meaning is INTERACTIVE AND REPRESENTATIONAL ARGUMENT.
Learn the fucking language thundercunt. See, I swore AND completely refuted what you said by pointing out how you left out all the important information...namely what doesnt back your claim.
So, asshat cock munch, try making a claim with some credibility. shitcock.
rdrakken 3 months ago
@rdrakken
You made no points, nothing to negate... actually your insults are just making me laugh at this point. Puppy barking behind a fence much? Awww whose a cute little Marxist, you are, you are... that's a good boy. Go redistribute the wealth boy, come on you can do it! Get the stick...
So puppies defeated, next?
BoyKagome 3 months ago
I will pass this information along.
rebecca8273 4 months ago
Well, as a famous frog once said, it ain't easy being green. It is, however, easy to waste taxpayer money on green boondoggles as long as you're a democrat politician. You know, like the communist currently occupying the white house.
LeoHughes302 4 months ago 2
Outstanding!
jimbocidman 4 months ago
"Birds fly right into those suckers!"
*chchchchchch*
Between that and "THE WIND KEEPS STOPPING. I BLAME REPUBLICANS.", I just met my day's quota for laughter!
I am SO sharing this with my grandfather!
TurtleShroom 4 months ago 21
@TurtleShroom Actually, most birds avoid them; but curiously they kill bats. And not because the bats hit the blades; no see when the windmill takes energy out of the wind, it causes are large drop in pressure in the air. When the bat flies into the low pressure region, the higher pressure air in it's lungs tries to escape and it's lungs pop like a balloon.
Satarack 1 month ago
Doesn't sound very green to me. What a joke!
CRMChicago 4 months ago
You forgot the part about how the windmills cause desert downwind because they suck the water and the energy out of the wind. Or the part about the land shaded by the solar cells - which pretty much destroys that ecosystem.
Or the witches brew of chemicals required to make the solar cells, or the materials in the wind turbines.
Or the difficulties in maintaining the wind turbines due to their remote and usually hilly locations.
Or...Never mind. Yours was better anyway.
OrionXIII 4 months ago 23
@OrionXIII
green energy means renewable not harmless energy
and actually their is some research into Fussion Generators that use water to produce a fussion reaction
this puts out 10 to 100 times more energy then a standard nuclear reactor
490er 4 months ago
@490er
I've been working on an idea that I think has real promise. I call it my "perpetual motion" machine. My progenitors first began working on it back in the Middle Ages, but we're getting closer every day!
A fusion reactor like the one you're describing might be even better though.
If there were only a way to harness the energy of the Sun at room temperature... perhaps by using unicorns to to gather pixie dust from over the rainbow...
Oh wait, I know! The H-Bomb! That's fusion, right?
porqyfine 4 months ago 2
@porqyfine we've actually built test fussion reactors
but those were built only on a small scale to make sure they could be controlled
also if you don't know a H bomb is 10 to 100 times more powerful then it's uranium counter part
it's estimated that the largest H-bomb ever built can blow up the whole USA in one blast wave
490er 4 months ago
@490er The largest H-bomb ever tested was the Tsar Bomba detonated by the USSR in 1961. Originally designed to yield 100Mt, it was reduced to 50Mt for the test. The fireball radius was approx 4km and the blast radius was about 35km. The 3-stage tritium design used in both US and Soviet arsenals improved beyond gun type (used in the Little Boy uranium bomb over Hiroshima) and the the implosion type (used in the Fat Man plutionium bomb over Nagasaki).
& it's "fusion", not "fussion"
knob
porqyfine 4 months ago
@OrionXIII I believe you on windmills sucking energy out of the wind. Do you have any references/links for that? I'd love to bring that up in an argument.
Siegetower 4 months ago
@Siegetower
Thanks! The way they WORK is by transferring the mechanical energy of the wind into the rotation of the blades, which transfers to the generator, which converts to electricity, so naturally the wind energy is altered (slower).
I'm afraid I don't have any links handy - A google-search should turn some up. The blades cause moisture to condense on them, taking moisture out of the air - meaning it doesn't go downwind.
So, a wind farm means slower, dryer air downwind.
OrionXIII 3 months ago
@OrionXIII Cool thanks for the reply. Knowledge is power, as they say.
Siegetower 3 months ago
@OrionXIII LOL solar panel shade killing ecosystems? What a trivial argument. I'm literally laughing. How much shade does an oil drill create? Oh thats right, there are no trees, because they cut them all down, don't reforest the land, or recycle the countless gallons of water they waste, while polluting rivers; it's THE most corrupt business on earth. Furthermore, most solar panels are superficial additions to existing structures i.e. office buildings. You sir, are severely confused.
drysift 3 months ago
@drysift
Well, I'm glad I can provide you some amusement - However, I wasn't referring to individual residential installations, I was talking about large-scale solar farms; The sort of thing that you'd use to replace a power plant with. Something on the scale of a large-scale wind farm rather than a household windmill.
Try to preach less and present facts more next time, OK? Evidently it was not I who was confused, but you.
Orion
OrionXIII 3 months ago
@OrionXIII FACT: Oil companies create more shade and pollution than solar companies. Please refer to my other comment below for more facts. I clearly have more facts than you have brain cells. BTW, yes you are confused. A "large-scale solar farm" is a horrible idea, especially when solar panels can be built into the existing infrastructure of just about anything. Think outside the box blockhead.
drysift 3 months ago
@drysift
There are a lot more Oil companies with much broader range of operations than Solar companies so your comparison is specious. WHAT other comment? I'm an Engineer, and I'm guessing you're not, so I doubt your brain cell insult is anywhere near factual.
And individual solar installations are not a replacement for large-scale energy generation: Which is what we've been discussing. My comment related to that, not to individual installations.
OrionXIII 3 months ago
@OrionXIII LOL you're absolutely wrong. Babcock Ranch, FL is a city ran entirely off Solar energy. There are many more just like it around the world, which all use renewable energy. Houses, or entire buildings ran off renewable sources, makes no difference at all. Again, think outside the box.
Show me any one oil rig that creates less shade than any one solar panel. You can't, you're wrong again. Furthermore, if you can't scroll down 5 inches to see my comment, you're slower than I thought lol!
drysift 3 months ago
@drysift
Um, I don't believe Babcock Ranch - a prototype 'city' (planned: 45K) - has been completed yet. But nice try. Care to list 'many more' just like it around the world? They don't seem to do well at night, either.
Child, you're either a troll or mentally challenged. Either way, you're really not worth the time it takes to reply to you. I'm an engineer, I've done work with renewable energy. You're an idiot. Have a good life.
Orion
OrionXIII 3 months ago
@OrionXIII You're so mad, because I keep shooting down every argument you make. You keep saying "I'm an engineer" as if that means anything at all. I'm an astrophysicist and I've worked with NASA on solar technology. I'm not sure if you're getting paid enough to sit here and cry, lol.
"Show me any one oil rig that creates less shade than any one solar panel." I noticed you like to dodge questions that prove you wrong.
PS- Google "cities that run off of renewable energy" you helpless dolt.
drysift 3 months ago
@drysift oil companies also generate a lot more energy per square metre (feet if you deal in imperial measures) of shade. Also a lot more energy per dollar spent.
NelsonDemartini91 2 months ago
@NelsonDemartini91 That is absolutely wrong. Present some evidence to support your claim because that sounds ridiculous when you take into account the acres upon acres of devastated forest due to oil drilling. I don't believe that claim for one second. Furthermore, I'd pay more for a cleaner product anyway.
drysift 2 months ago
@drysift Not much forest land in Texas or Alaska.. Frankly most of the places they drill for oil are by definition deserts i.e. Saudi Arabia Kuwait, Libya. Now corn production, well most of the fields were once forest land and animal habitat. I see plenty of hunting shows in Texas., There they are sitting in their animal blinds watching herds of game meander back and forth through tons of mesquite and sage brush with a whole lot of oil rigs standing around. that oil production must be real bad
cogit8able 1 month ago
@cogit8able You're either ignorant, or just in denial. Google "Alberta tar sands water pollution" and do your homework. Apparently you have a lot to learn about energy production.
drysift 1 month ago
@drysift The most corrupt business on the earth? Its called politics.
NelsonDemartini91 2 months ago
@OrionXIII
What exactly is your point? Green energy isn't perfect, but it's pretty much the only choice left. We can't use gas when we run out of it.
Sumwun23 2 months ago
@Sumwun23 The other choice is called nuclear. We are a very, very long way from running out of uranium.
NelsonDemartini91 2 months ago
@Sumwun23 No, but we aren't anywhere near close to running out at this point, either. Of course scientists and engineers should continue working on increasing the efficiency of current technologies while the search continues for feasible replacements. There are numerous potential replacements for fossil fuels, but none of them are ready for prime time yet. Forcing a conversion now only makes energy more expensive for all, a great disservice to those among us with the least.
mlnorman1973 2 months ago
@Sumwun23
My point is that it's not READY. It's not scalable and wasting billions trying to pretend that it is is taking money from research that should be done to make it so while gutting our economy.
When do you think we're going to run out of gas? I think it's pretty clear that's not going to be anytime soon.
Orion
OrionXIII 2 months ago
@Sumwun23
If oil really is running out, then why do you need politics and billions and billions of other people's money to get green energy? Won't the dwindling supplies raise prices, until alternative power becomes competitive? Will the oil- and electric companies just complacently close shop when the oil starts to run out, or will they diversify on their own into alternative power sources in preparation for that eventuality? Will car companies still sell gasoline-powered cars, -
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PanzerDivisionBOM 1 month ago
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- even when there is no affordable gasoline left, or will they diversify so as to remain competitive?
These things will happen, unbidden, when the technology is there and the time is right. And in the meantime, the subsidies will just make sure that the last bit of oil power is being burnt to create vastly less energy-intense "green" power - the figure I've heard is that each tank of ethanol fuel currently takes more than 2 tanks of gasoline to produce.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 month ago
I was the 1337 view! I feel so honored.
TheWarOwl 4 months ago
Why is this so wavery? It makes me feel sick...
GreetingsEarthling 4 months ago
When ever I see a product advertised as green., I figure there is something wrong with it and look else where.. I don't think I'm alone..
xtronics 4 months ago 5
@xtronics You are not.
I go a step further and write to the company telling them I ACTIVELY avoid purchasing products with the Green Bullsh!t label attached.
mwolfod 4 months ago 2
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ishyesh 4 months ago
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ishyesh 4 months ago
When the President announced the US would be training people for Green Jobs I was happy! I teach plumbing, especially the newer technologies that conserve water and energy. Also, I wanted to see if, by teaching 'the trades' to our young men who weren't going to college, we might provide another viable career path. Alas, that wasn't what the feds had in mind at all, not at all. It was all electrical, and expensive; we'll have to wait for another drought find money to train Green Plumbers
pipedream09 4 months ago
RAAAAAAAACIST!!!! how dare you the mock WON's vision of a perfect sociali... er...i mean green..yeah that's it...GREEN america!
deprived56501 4 months ago
LMAO
classic
CallousD 4 months ago
Brilliant.
AistonJ 4 months ago
Great job.
ExZonie 4 months ago