Excavating The Empty Tomb (beyond a reasonable doubt) PART 7

[shrikechan]

I MUST read that book :)

[1n354a]

Stumbled across this series - quite an impressive body of work! Thanks for putting this together.

[O2BSoLucky]

I always thought that, according to the bible, it was wrong to 'spill things on the floor'.

Pretty girl giving good foot - yeah I see how it went down ;-)

[TruthSurge]

@O2BSoLucky Seems there was a lot of spilling substances on the floor and ground in the bible. :)

[pythor2]

Sorry but I have to be skeptical even though I'm atheist and I would rather not care if I hadn't stumbled on this vid but, which passage exactly says "far-flung glory" or is it implied from Mark 14:9?

[DarkEmergence]

@pythor2 I think he meant it's implied, in that Jesus promised the woman she would be remembered throughout the world, in other words "far flung glory".

[pythor2]

@DarkEmergence Okay. I kinda already thought that because it does make more sense to think this implication actually took place, whereas the story in Mark actually took place would look more random.

[perichoresis7]

Awesome. I am going to read this book. But I still think it is very plausible to see the Odyssey/Mark connection as a literary move to emphasize real events in a culture's context, and not necessarily a confirmation that Mark was drawing on fiction to compose a work of fiction. Fascinating stuff though and a stinkin' good series.

[TruthSurge]

@perichoresis7 thanks. just wait till you get to parts 8, 9a and 9b.  it'll blow your mind.

[karlbuttler]

Well we know this story a cart full of Horseshit,right from the beginning, what normal healthy woman is going to fall at a mans feet and wash them and put oil/ointment on them???

[TruthSurge]

@karlbuttler No American woman, THAT'S for sure. :)

[seleroan]

I've heard that Judas Iscariot can be translated as "treacherous Jew".

[TruthSurge]

@seleroan No doubt in my mind that Judas was meant as a symbol for all Jews. It was created by the anti-semitic mind of Mark and the Judas part = Judah (jews) and the Iscariot is just a slight morph of Sicarri who were "treacherous" jews that would murder Roman guards stationed in Jerusalem by running up to them and stabbing them secretly and then walking off. So, yeah, you could call it that!

[2eelShmeal]

Manhole

[TruthSurge]

@2eelShmeal oh cmon man.... slackin off! a homey can't get an adjective to go along wit dat? gooey? slimy? A lil sump sump?

[2eelShmeal]

@TruthSurge Meat Curtains.

[TruthSurge]

@2eelShmeal  oh man..... gnarly.

[KT45]

Interesting parallel! I never knew any of this info. Thanks for sharing!!!

[TruthSurge]

@KT45 thank ya.

[FelidaTheG33k]

Silly subscription box. I didn't see this video until I realized you uploaded part 8. Loved this part, on to 8 now. :-)

[TruthSurge]

@FelidaTheG33k Yeah, I noticed you hadn't commented so I figured you were busy, on vacation, etc. hehehe BUT now I know it was YT's stellar programming (as usual). Happened to me too. I was like, I KNOW this vid should be here, went to Claire's channel and yup, it was but no subs. YT sucks. thank ya!

[2eelShmeal]

2:42 Jesus is like "Hug mah foot bitch"

[TruthSurge]

@2eelShmeal hehe

[2eelShmeal]

Hey...mah name is.... mah name iss... maah name is... Shaaady

[TruthSurge]

@2eelShmeal yeah, i thought of putting that in. but... i didn't. :( hehe

[lungay009]

John's Gospel tells us that this woman was Mary, the sister of Martha and Lazurus.

It was normal courtesy in Judea to apoint a servant to wash the feet of guests and anoint their head before reclining at the table.

Eurycleia is a myth name (nurse of Odysseus)

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 "John's Gospel tells us that this woman was Mary, the sister of Martha and Lazurus."

The idea is that Mark wrote fiction and the later gospelers embellished that same fiction (expanded it by adding "details" which were also just fiction).

Mark was written before John and so John had the benefit of having Mark and Matthew's version at his disposal when writing his although most of it is quite different.

No idea what your last pt means. myth name? what is that?

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge "No idea what your last pt means. myth name? what is that?"

You said in Greek, Eurycleia means FAR-FLUNG GLORY, I'm telling you, Eurycleia in Greek or any other language has no meaning. It's a mythical name.

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 So, you're telling me that the wiki article is wrong and MacDonald's book is wrong? Where then do you think they came up with the Eury cleia means "broad fame," while Anti cleia means "anti-fame." ? Did they just pull that out of their asses? Or could the Greek root for the "cleia" part be Strong's 2811. kleos kleh'-os from a shorter form of 2564; renown (as if being called):--glory.

?

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge At this point and time I'm under the assumption something is not right about how they got the meaning for the name. I did a search and found the Wiki article is the only source that carries that statement. Don't know what the MacDonald's book is.

And for what it's worth, Eurycleia is not a name given to Greek girls, it was only used in the Odyssey.

By the way, who came to the conclusion the Gospel of Mark was written first and how?

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 Eurycleia or Eury kleos or kleia.  As you say, it is a made up name but then ALL old names are made up. Israel = Isra El. Samuel = Samu El. Ezeki El. Dani El. Notice anything peculiar? ALL those names were "made up" by appending the name of their GOD at the end of their names. Al Caida, Al Jazeer, Al this and Al that. ? Notice anything peculiar about all those? The AL part comes from their god's name, Allah. Same with eury kleos. the kleos part = "fame" in Greek

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge From Wikipedia: (Greek: κλέος) Kleos is the Greek word often translated to "renown", or "glory". It is RELATED to the word "to hear" and carries the IMPLIED meaning of what others hear about you. A Greek hero earns kleos through accomplishing great deeds. Kleos is invariably transferred from father to son; the son is responsible for carrying on and building upon the "glory" of the father.

So the kleos part in Eurycleia does not = fame, if anything it = her name being Eurycleia

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 I have no idea how to respond to that. ?

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge Eurycleia's name meaning "broad fame," and Anticleia meaning "anti-fame, is stated in Wikipedia like that as you pointed out.

What I posted is not only in Wikipedia but can be found elsewhere also.

I'm very suspicious how your interpretation for Eurycleia's name got in Wikipedia, being it can't be found anywhere else.

I would accept Eurycleia's name means "broad fame" if only I could read it somewhere else too besides Wikipedia alone.

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 HAHA wow. So you are thinking that I typed that into wikipedia? So, instead of agreeing that the very root word kleos and it's forms form the last part of her name and that you already know (or should) that anti means OPPOSITE, why on earth would you need to see it anywhere else?

Here. Strong's Greek lexicon. and in fact, the search result for kleos:

eliyah (d o t) com/cgi-bin/strongs (d o t) cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=­kleos

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 So, from Strong's lexicon you can put this to rest.

Eury (from eurus meaning wide see Strong's G2149) and kleia (from kleos meaning fame).

Perhaps you need to inquire with someone who can explain it better than this because this is the best I know. ?

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge This is what you link said: 2811. kleos kleh'-os from a shorter form of 2564; renown (as if being called):--glory.

What my Wikipedia link said was: (Greek: κλέος) Kleos is the Greek word often translated to "renown", or "glory". It is RELATED to the word "to hear" and carries the IMPLIED meaning of what others hear about you. A Greek hero earns kleos through accomplishing great deeds.

Again, your link said: renown (AS IF being called):--glory.

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 Have you been able to find any websites or resources that claim the name "Eurycleia" does NOT mean or DID NOT mean "broad fame" during Homer's or Mark's day?

[sebbuku]

@TruthSurge google books search for "Eurycleia fame": broad fame, far flung fame, wide fame and so on. Lots of essays and books on the Odyssey that confirm it.

[TruthSurge]

@sebbuku But why are you telling me? I was the one trying to convince the OTHER person who clearly wouldn't avail themselves of a simple Google search to find out what I was saying was true. I even post the Greek words from which Eurycleia was made and they seemed hell-bent on rejecting it. ? You should make this reply to lungay009. :)

[sebbuku]

@TruthSurge When I saw that he wouldn't even respond to your question, I took it that he wasn't really interested in bringing any arguments to the discussion. I was just trying to show that my research confirmed your claims. There are surely many other people like me that go through all the comments to look at any pro- and con-arguments. Take it as a kind of pseudo-peer-reviewing :)

[TruthSurge]

@sebbuku sure, but by responding to me it made it seem as if you were telling ME that I should go do those searches. that's all. haha and by replying to me, lungay will never see what you wrote. :( but thanks for chiming in! Always good to see some confirmation of what I'm saying.

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 "By the way, who came to the conclusion the Gospel of Mark was written first and how?"

the who = almost every Biblical scholar who's studied the issue honestly. The how part is by studying everything that can be known about it. I did a 4 part series on dating the gospel of Mark that might be of interest to you. Dating The New Testament. just search that and you'll find it on YT. thank ya!

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 MacDonald's book - The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark.

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge Ah, that MacDonald's book.

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 ref Eurycleia's name.... from the wiki article on her...

"Eurycleia's name means "broad fame," while Anticleia means "anti-fame." The tension between the meanings of Eurycleia's name and Anticleia's name reflects the tension between the two pillars of Odysseus' life. He was born to Anticleia, a noble woman, but was nursed (and essentially raised) by Eurycleia, a lower class maid."

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 lungay009.... you keep removing yer comments so how can I reply???

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge Typing errors, is there a way to edit?

[TruthSurge]

@lungay009 I guess just reply to your reply with the fix? or delete and do a whole new post but it seemed the post you did was totally gone and not the same.

[lungay009]

@TruthSurge I don't know how to delete it.

[realbojay]

@TeesByTruthSurge

Haha great, can't wait! Your vids are really the shizzle lol.

By the way, i find it rather sad what religious people put up with.. their ancient ignorant slave driving piss stained (etc) religious ancestors had all kinds of freebies and miracles, from healing the blind, over talking donkeys and bushes to water-to-wine parties and MUCH more. Nowadays they have to be happy about Jesus on dogs' butts and toasts. Seriously, Yahweh&Zombie Dude became pretty lazy in their old days :P

[realbojay]

@TeesByTruthSurge

Awesome, i didn't think that was possible, but you got me even more anxious haha :)

[Blackerer]

@TeesByTruthSurge ok, its not like im going to stop watching your videos :). cheers.

[AussieNaturalist]

As I always try to view everything with scepticism and objectivity I still wasnt totally convinced that the author of Mark DID plagiarise Homer, BUT NOW I have no doubt what so ever. Brilliant presentation of the argument.

[TruthSurge]

@AussieNaturalist thanks. the next 2 vids (or 3 if the last goes over 15 min) should pretty much seal the deal for anyone willing to view them all. And the thing is, I haven't even presented ALL of the parallels. There are many from the Iliad in the last part of mark I won't even cover. It's really an open and shut case, IMO.

[ahmnatheist]

THIS GUY IS AN IDOT. YOUR DICIEVED BY SATIN! <-- sorry. Was trying to summon my old Christian self. Although I can spell properly, even when I believed. It's hard to write in all caps and mis-spell on purpose when I know better. Lol. Love these. Thank you.

[TruthSurge]

@ahmnatheist ya had me going there for a few words. :) thanks!

[0gods]

I remember in your introduction of the series that you clearly explained the origin of the ideas that you are presenting. It was also clear that this series was not only about Mark as a fiction writer, but also about how you as a story teller and videographer were going to present information that you feel strongly about. I have enjoyed seeing you play with presentation style throughout the series--each video has been engaging and informative. Cheers.

[TruthSurge]

@0gods Well, I just thought I'd better jump in and explicitly say in the vid about MacDonald. But yeah, people will assume things and accuse me of things and I'm just trying to present what I believe and people SHOULD assume that most of it comes from the reading of more learned people than I. :) thank ya!

[realbojay]

@TruthSurge

Ah you explain that better anyway.. serious authors lack the wit to keep one interested.. and the colorful pictures make it even more interesting :D

However you are not only parroting his stuff but showing it from your perspective with detailed explanations.. This is exactly what we want to see, don't put yourself down too much :P

Great vid yet again, keep em coming!

What comes after the 2-3 vids with parallels? Ok don't spill the beans, just tell me if there is more to come :D

[Blackerer]

@TeesByTruthSurge im not dismissing them at all, im just saying that i like the parallels in part 7 much more convincing than parallels + inversions in part 6.

[xdassinx]

Here's something creator/writer of the TV show Babylon 5 J. Michael Straczynski said during the DVD commentary of episode "Signs and Portents"

"And there is a lot of Biblical structure in the course of the show. There's also myth and literature from other areas. But, I find the Bible a good source of material for literature and for story telling."

If B5 becomes or influences a religion 100 years from now it would complete the circle.

[DeletedDelusion]

Awesome video.

[rozeboosje]

Oh this was GOOD

[lotanddaughters]

It's a good thing that bossman103 promised to remain silent 'til the end, because the parallels just keep piling up!

Mark = plagiarist

Jesus = dick sucker

[TruthSurge]

@CovertFrog thanks!

[yeshuahfullofit]

"Please sir, I want some more". -- Oliver Twist ; )

[TruthSurge]

@yeshuahfullofit I never read that story. Too busy playing guitar and doing other things I guess. Seems like a sad story though. oh, thank ya! hehe

[cosmicskydaddy1]

I see almost no rebuttal in the comments or response from Christians/fundamentalists on this series so far.

[AtheistCitizen]

so the wife's from Andra?

[TruthSurge]

@AtheistCitizen no idea what that means. :(

[ModernDeism]

excellent as usual - made a playlist for your series on my channel. i am sure it will be quite beneficial to many.

[CarpetShark2010]

Interesting verses just before those mentioned: Mark 14:6-7: “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me." .. sooo, Jesus knew he was not going to be eternal? .. sooo, one can postpone helping the poor when focusing on Jesus?

[GoblinXXX]

Get to da choppa!

[Blackerer]

wow, this one is much more compelling than the polyphemus/legion story, which had really weak connections. im surprised that you would find this one flimsier than that one. even before you got to the clues. but the second one...damn...

[TruthSurge]

@Blackerer well, the flimsy part was in reference to a woman anointing a recognized stranger and supposedly spilling a liquid. so, to my brain, that IS a flimsy parallel since the act of anointing someone would have been ubiquitous or widespread for a thousand or more years. But anyway, the fact it transitions to the enemies and Mark's woman gains what Homer's woman's name meant.... pretty strong to me. :)

[Blackerer]

@TruthSurge yes, i agree. but still, these two episode have actors that are much more similar. inversion of a motif is great, but to really connect two stories based on it, then it has to be really strong and well defined. for example, if jesus named legion, like oddysseus created "nobody", and then it would lead to some silly situation, then i would be compelled.

[SEThatered]

The bible is currently not available to read due to the copyright claim from Homer.

Please note: Repeat incidents of copyright infringement will result in permanent mistrust of bible.

Please delete any passages of which you do not own the necessary rights, and refrain from including infringing passages.

[farvision]

@SEThatered The latest news is that Jesus has filed false DMCA claims against TruthSurge for posting this video series and has dropped TruthSurge's docs into Egyptian hyeroglyphics. How he obtained them 1990 years ago is a miracle. In any case, he is warning "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Gospel of Matthew 10:34). TruthSurge, I suggest you talk to DPRjones pronto!

[TruthSurge]

@SEThatered :)  No wonder it's the best selling book of all time. It owes a lot to some OTHER books.

[rozeboosje]

@SEThatered ROFL

[KrokrX]

Nicely structured argument, and presented in your usual inimitable style - excellent work.

[TruthSurge]

@KrokrX ooooh, I didn't know I even had a style. HEHEHEH thanks.

[drunkenroundtable]

I've been fascinated by this series, even though I thought your examples were pretty thin. But the very end of this video convinced me.

[TruthSurge]

@drunkenroundtable thank ya. Just keep in mind that what I'm showing is still not ALL of the evidence. Even after my next 2 vids there are even MORE parallels to be discussed. Some from the Iliad I am not even covering.

[TruthSurge]

@pakleglia Eurycleia Franklin was NOT Jewish. But I'm almost certain Urethra Franklin was Jewish. Very close to Uriah, Jethro, etc.

[TruthSurge]

@pakleglia dummy.... that's URETHRA Franklin.  Everyone knows that.

[th30r3m]

Great stuff. Keep them coming !

[TruthSurge]

@th30r3m thank ya

[eLWicholo]

i did not understand the last point?? How is the name a clue? some one answer??

[TruthSurge]

@eLWicholo You see, Mark KNEW the story by Homer (the Eurycleia scene where she washes Odysseus) and when Mark wrote HIS copy of the scene, he didn't really copy it that closely but it informed his scene in small ways, possibly from memory rather than a reading of the text. And Mark KNEW what Eurycleia's name meant in Greek (since he read and wrote in Greek) and so he made HIS story say that his woman would become famous or get far-flung glory (which is what Eurycleia means in Greek).

[eLWicholo]

@TruthSurge Oh I see, nicely done, very good work

[bonnie43uk]

This is like watching the last 10 minutes of Columbo, .. just when the murderer thinks he's gotten away with his crime, good ol scruffy Lieutenant Columbo stops by the door on his way out, turns and says, .. "Oh, by the way . . ."

These series are great, well done for giving Mr McDonald a heads up, .. Maybe Mark shoulda taken a leaf out of your own book, .. honesty is always the best policy. I salute you Mr Truthsurge.

[TruthSurge]

@bonnie43uk hehehe yeah, this one was like oh that's not a strong parallel. BANG! hahahha don't call my bluff, biotch! I got a few aces up my sleeve. I fully intended (it was already written into the script) to give MacDonald's book a plug at the END but I suppose the end was too far off so I decided to move the plug to now since some people thought it was my discovery. not. thank ya.

[cosmicskydaddy1]

Well, you have a lot of evidence here, but I can tell you Jesus will soon return!!! (He's my gardener,he's taking a tree out of my yard Saturday for $80 and a six pack of Corona.) Good job TS.

[TruthSurge]

@cosmicskydaddy1 why, that's RACISM! :) thank ya. I got maybe 2 more vids on this section b4 I move on to the next. ALL of this to basically show that the very foundation of orthodox Christianity (Mark) was simply a story that never happened. just wow.

[MacNutz2]

@TruthSurge Jesus, Peter, Thomas, more meaningful character names from them dang Greeks.

[TruthSurge]

@MacNutz2 yeah, it's funny. In the Greek mss of the NT, Jesus isn't Jesus, he's Iesous. ee ay soos. AHHAHAH why do Christians call him Jesus when his name is apparently Iesous????

[xdassinx]

Jesus: But Dad, I don't want to be born yet!

God::Sigh: We've already been through this Jesus. You have to go down there and die a painful death so I can forgive those morons for stuff I set them up to do in the first place.

Jesus: It sucks down there now. Can't we wait till I can cruise Galilee in a bad ass speed boat instead of some crappy sail boat.

God: So help me me Jesus.. Tell you what. What if I make your life like that Odysseus guy from the Homer story.

Jesus: Well OK I guess.

[TruthSurge]

@xdassinx HAHAHAHAHA reminds me of that vid I did where God beats Jesus 14,000 to 0 in chess. hehee daaaaad.... Yeah, that's it! God DOES exist! He just made it all to SEEM like it was born out of previous myths! So that way, it tests the TRUE believers. Ya gotta have 100% faith, not 99.9999% faith!

[thruthem]

Homer Simson drank wine in those days? jk

Is there room in your next vid for mention of similar parallels between Jesus/Judas & Joseph/Judah, both were taken to Egypt, betrayed & falsely accused, one for 30, the other for 40 pieces of silver, both had miracle births, loved best by their fathers, began work @ age 30, both returned to their father...

[TruthSurge]

@thruthem heck, you've made a good case in the comments! hahah yes, I'm convinced that Joseph (OT Joseph) is one input to the Jesus character of the gospels. And yes, there is a betrayal in that story as well which would have fed nicely into the Jesus tale w/o even using Homer. but it won't be in my next vid or even this series likely. It is something to consider tho so I won't say it won't be. In fact, I might touch on that at some point because it does seem to be fertile ground for copying

[jolulipa]

I didn't see that one coming.... Eurycleia.

[TruthSurge]

@jolulipa yeah, I saved the best part for last!

[calmreason]

This is a great series - I think you should talk to the researcher as I think you do his word proud. He might promote you in the book, since I'd have never have heard of him otherwise.

[TruthSurge]

@calmreason well, I did talk to him on the phone for 15 or 20 minutes. I needed some images for my final parallel that I was having trouble finding online. so he sent me his powerpoint presentation on it. But nah,he's not really interested in me. He's a busy chap and he kind of doesn't want atheists using his work to denounce the Bible but ironically, it's HIS work that is doing the denouncing. I'm just the messenger. :)

[JamesThWilliams]

I'm so dissilusioned.;)

[TruthSurge]

@JamesThWilliams hehe suuuure you are. have a tissue.

[nishbrown]

Mark wasn't ripped off from Homer.

Mark IS Homer!!

*Dun dun dun!!!*

[TruthSurge]

@nishbrown WHOAH! Now THERE'S a theory! I'm gonna go check this idea out! haha

[TruthSurge]

@nishbrown I actually considered putting the dramatic chipmunk (prairie dog) music after the revelation of Eurycleia's name. DUH DUH DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH hahahha but I decided naaaaaaa. that would have been funny and even put the prairie dog in doing his turn/stare.

[razrX]

@nishbrown LOLOL taking out the mask...

[TheCrankyAtheist]

@nishbrown *tears off rubber mask* "And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling... uh... I got nothing."

[chucka59]

Awesome!!! I love how you ended this part :)



[TruthSurge]

@chucka59 with the fighting cats and Terminator? or the name thing? hehehehhe thanks!

[practicalmagic9]

do we get "eureka!" from "eureklea"?

[furQuil]

@practicalmagic9 No, it is from Archimedes.

[TruthSurge]

@practicalmagic9 eureka is also from greek (heureka) and I think heuristics comes from it but not sure they are related. eureka means "i found it!" but not really sure that they are related as the actual Greek I THINK is heureka, not eureka. good notice though.

[eat666shit]

@TruthSurge they are related indeed. heureka=eureka why? english transition of greek alphabet to the english

example ΟΜΗΡΟΣ->HOMER

ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ->HERAKLES->HERCULES

btw, heuristics (method of solving problems through guess,or common sense) derives from the very same word ,heurika.

[TruthSurge]

@eat666shit Yeah, I went to etymonline to see what they had on it. But the question wasn't if heureka was eureka. It was whether eureka was related to Eurycleia. I don't see a connection between those 2.

[eat666shit]

@TruthSurge ...And truly,there isn't any etymological relation between the name and the verb in the past tense.

till next time TS :D

[TruthSurge]

@eat666shit I have no idea other than to say that Eurycleia and heureka look similar but that's all I know. I'll say that you know more than I about Greek etymologies. :)

[eat666shit]

@TruthSurge hehe eureka! we will call it "argument from nationality". ( jumping out of the bathtub and running naked on the streets,not included).

[TruthSurge]

@eat666shit I can see how you misunderstood me because I wasn't very clear. I wrote "eureka is also from greek (heureka) and I think heuristics comes from it but not sure they are related."

It sounds as if i mean that eureka and heureka were not related but I meant that Eurycleia and eureka are probably not related.

[eat666shit]

@practicalmagic9 Nope,ΕΥΡΗΚΑ!= I found it! uttered by archimedes after he discovered the properties of a body while it is sunk in the water (that it would displace water of equal volume) ΕΥΡΥΚΛΕΙΑ= as TS said,far flung(reaching)glory. I hope you can see the greek characters.

[practicalmagic9]

@eat666shit thank you, truthsurge and eat666shit!i am very thankful for the discussion about this!

[zeistermeist]

Interesting, very interesting....... !!!

[TempleOfInanna2]

Thank you TruthSurge for providing this information. Very well researched and presented!

[TruthSurge]

@TempleOfInanna2 ya, I'm having big fun. :)  Can't wait for the big smack down in my final Homer/Mark vid! hahahahhaha

[rich2rock]

What are the chances that so many of these writings are near exact of the previous story? Hmmmm.

[TruthSurge]

@rich2rock I'd say .0000000000000001% HAHHAHAHA

[ozmoroid]

I'm convinced. I need some embedded code in my browser that automatically up-thumbs and favorites all TruthSurge vids as soon as I click on 'em. It's a no-brainer. Looking forward to the next vids.

[TruthSurge]

@ozmoroid Well, you and me both. There is a point beyond which the mind says "okay, there's no way in hell all of that could line up if Mark was simply recording history." and I simply have to follow the most LOGICAL and simplest explanation. Mark, a gentile believer raised in Rome, familiar with both Greek and Roman culture, used the most common story of his day to help him write his own.

[TruthSurge]

@ozmoroid yeah, just write yerself some FireFox add-on to click the like button IF the username = TruthSurge hehehehehe like/fav/donate $20 each vid DOH

[rich2rock]

@ozmoroid Damn, now that is a good complement coming from an excellent youtuber yourself, oz.

[ozmoroid]

@rich2rock Surge was one of the first channels I sub'd to when I joined Youtube. He's a classic.

[rich2rock]

@ozmoroid Yes, I would say he is a great artist as well. And now he is doing some friggin' awesome new level videos. Hopefully you will have a new one soon as well? I am subbed to your channel also.

[tiger695]

Wow... That was Incredible. Both clues in this video are On Point. The Second Clue got me good. Wonderful Video

[TruthSurge]

@tiger695 thank ya. Yep. The power of a good parallel is in not only its chronology but it's unusual details and this parallel has ALL of that. Unusual that a historical retelling would CONTINUE along the same narrative lines as the FICTIONAL story of Homer AND that the woman in Mark's story would gain the meaning of the woman's name in Homer's story. No way is that a coincidence.

[tyendanega]

Loving this series! Thanks for the illumination, and I have put Mr. (Dr.?) MacDonald's book in my Amazon wishlist.

[TruthSurge]

@tyendanega thanks.  yes, you will not be disappointed.

[rriverstone1]

great creepy, spine tingling, suspenseful music. damn! NAILED it!

[TruthSurge]

@rriverstone1 thanks! Yeah, I am hunting some different sounds in omnisphere and just knocking out a bunch of stuff fast.

[Moontanman]

Great videos Truthsurge, i can't wait for the next one....

[TruthSurge]

@Moontanman thank ya

[Moontanman]

@TruthSurge I really enjoy your videos, hard to find the combination of factual information and a compelling story free of the emotional baggage surrounding these myths, always a pleasure to listen to you explain the facts, also evidently all i need to be a successful author is find some else successful to vaguely copy, lol So much of what we think is unique is just variations on a theme already thought of by someone else

[TruthSurge]

@Moontanman "evidently all i need to be a successful author is find some else successful to vaguely copy, lol"

That's more true than you might think. I MIGHT even claim that there's pretty much NO story (novel, play, movie, etc) that has no precedents in older works or even some deliberate borrowing. why reinvent the wheel? just grab some good structures/plots/ideas from hits and then rework and rename them! then when people notice, just claim you didn't know about the others. heheh

[Moontanman]

@TruthSurge I mostly write poetry anyway, a novel is just a dream but i do see your point, if you look close many great novels do seem to have similar plots and twists on those themes.

[TruthSurge]

@Moontanman yeah, I think someone said there were about 30 diff plot themes so that and millions of stories.... you do the math. :) hehehe

[MacNutz2]

@TruthSurge humans have been telling the same basic stories, over and over, since the invention of fire. ::):):)

[TruthSurge]

@MacNutz2 once upon a time.... or it was a daaark and stormy night... heheh all I need is a campfire! hmmmm let me get my matches.

[MacNutz2]

@TruthSurge humans have been telling the same basic stories, over and over, since the invention of fire. ::):):)

[adrenacrumb]

It's obvious Satan went back in time and gave these parallels to the Greeks.

[CrudOMatic]

@adrenacrumb

♫ Satan's time machine ♫

♫ We copied everything ♫

♫ or so it seems ♫

[TruthSurge]

@CrudOMatic Yes, that wily, sneaky serpent did it again and inserted what he knew Jesus would eventually do into old ancient stories so it would APPEAR as if the Christians copied. That's pretty sneaky of him.

[TruthSurge]

@adrenacrumb :)  Now, Justin...

[IFUCKINGLOVEYOUTOO]

Not first?

[TruthSurge]

@IFUCKINGLOVEYOUTOO  sucks to be 2nd. :( hehe

[PeyoteIguana]

FIRST, to watch this epic series entry