what type of fabric should I use? i dont know please tell me :D how tall is this shit gonna be? double the size of my hip to my toes? or just to my foot?
I am officially highly annoyed that my sewing machine is 1000 miles away in ARKANSAS (mom convinced me to leave it and buy a new one but I can't find the one I want anymore) and the rave I want to go to is in a week.
hay so i was making a pattern for 60" pants and all i did was draw a straight line from the crotch to the end of the 30" mark, so it looks kinda like half a giant triangle....is this a bad way to do that or am I doing it right?
I went to home ec. senior year....they tried to teach us how to make regular pants....didn't sit and explain it like she's doing - the right way - they gave us a piece of paper with lots of terminology and no explanations on any of it....needless to say, they turned out terrible.
Hey thanks this was really useful. I was actually trying to make samurai pants and I thought it might work. And it did! This was also my first time sawing anything, so Im really thankful for your help. Your amazing thank you thank you thank you!
@ustvar I would use a nice breathing fabric, like cotton or something else that is durable and soft, instead of the one she used. That fabric is actually kind of delicate if it is the one I think it is. I think it is a type of microfiber.
@ustvar Cotton may be boring, but you are always able to add your own style to it. As for lycra fabric, it's a very comfortable fabric and it is stretchy! It is thin, durable, and breaths. Great for rave pants since you will be moving around so much! ^_^ They make cotton lycra mix fabrics too.
@spitwod1 hammer pants had a low crotch and tappered inwards at the ankle.... phat pants have a high crotch and get wide at the bottom.... two completely different kinds of pants in looks and fit. I dont see where you got hammer pants from -_-
i have been reading peoples comments and your is so dumb look the fabric is how you measure so depending what size you are is depending how much fabric you buy and you can use what ever kind of fabric you want
Not necessarily. Phat Pants are Kandy Kid raver clothing, basically just for looks. Rave pants can actually be anything, as long as you can move around in it well.
lol, you are awesome! thank you so much, I made a pair and now I am sellin them to all my friends and people I dont even know. Oh ya.. you are awesome not cuz deh, vid, but you are funny, witty, AND beautiful!! keep up the good worx!
i was not able to see the fabric clearly. I wanted to see what you were doing when you sewed the two legs together, but all of the fabric seemed blended together. Would you be able to do a video where you do a closeup of the pants instead of showing you talking into the camera?
something tough.. but comfortable. that way you dont like scratch your legs or something when dancing, and also you dont rip ur pants off during a rave, cuz that'd b so fuckin embarrassing..
hey.. i never thought it`s that easy to make a pair of pants ( i used to work 2 years with sewing and embrodery machines..)
oh. .and ...
An ideea for customizing the pants.. you can go to an Autometic embrodery center.. and order an unique model with unique thread(for thows who don`t know.. there are threads that are reflecting the light in the dark(can`t remember the word)
great tutorial! the beutiful thing about rave pants is that they are completely unisex! so you dont have to change anything to make them male or female, only color and maybe the textile of choise!=)
I define shuffle pants as this: what ever you where while shuffling.
The point i was trying to make is phats aren't shuffling pants in the sense that you ONLY where them for shuffling, they are rave pants which may be worn while shuffling.
ah ok. yes i agree phats are not ONLY to be worn whilst shuffling, you could wear them for everyday life, as long as its not like to work or something, and its a good way to be identified as a raver xD only problem is you should know how to dance in them before wearing. otherwise you're just going to make a fool of yourself. anyway i agree that phats arent the only pants you could wear either. you can wear any baggy pants you have, which in my opinion looks best... but really just any pant works
ok hi im 12 years old, i only want the raving pants for shuffling hardstyle. Like WTF :) ok i get some of it but im pretty sure that if i tried id fail and i dont even have a sewing machine >.> could i try doing old school sewing like with fingers? i found this helpful but if im gonna try do it, im gonna ask my mum for help Thanx :) i showed my mum these vids :D thanks once again
A note if you're trying to sew the pants with a machine. She has a serger that binds the edges as she sews. If you don't have a serger and have a domestic machine that's usually bigger, you'll want to sew the seam just like she does but when you're done open the flaps and sew them down as if your making two-four more seams. It helps to reinforce them and keep them from splitting as well as giving a detail on the outside.
Keep in mind that every good seamstress failed more than once.
What kind of fabric did you use? What do you think is the best cotton/poly (or other) that would stand up to wear and tear in clubs and also not heat up a lot. I have a pair of UFOs, and the first thing I noticed was how thin and light the fabric is, and it feels a little like vinyl blend, like a windbreaker almost. Wondering if there's a reason for that or if it's just personal preference.
i loved this video. i just got a sewing machine. i made a pair of pants by hand...it took forever i mean they came out alright but now that i have a sewing machine i think i can do better...i think your vid will really help although...what kind of stitch should i use?
Best way to do anything if you just have a domestic sewing machine, zigzag stitch over the edges to lock loose threads and prevent fraying. Then use a straight stitch for the seams.
i loved this video. i just got a sewing machine. i made a pair of pants by hand...it took forever i mean they came out alright but now that i have a sewing machine i think i can do better...i think your vid will really help although...what kind of stitch should i use?
And thr saddest thing is she didnt die of age... Mosquitoes took her life away
o0oSupaDupaFlyo0o 1 week ago
T.T my grandma is a pro at sewing but she passed away before i could even ask her to make one.....nooooo
o0oSupaDupaFlyo0o 1 week ago
what type of fabric ??
jacobwaples 2 weeks ago
This is old, this is good.
pampers1919 2 weeks ago
where can you get the pattern for these pants?
AfroPunkprincess 1 month ago
@AfroPunkprincess Check her other vid. It tells yu how to make the pattern.
TheShadowFreak3010 1 month ago
@TheShadowFreak3010 shows yu**
TheShadowFreak3010 1 month ago
@TheShadowFreak3010 I saw ir litterally 2 seconds after I posted this comment...I felt dumb.>_<
AfroPunkprincess 1 month ago
@AfroPunkprincess Lol
TheShadowFreak3010 1 month ago
shuffling brought me here.
cara28mel 1 month ago
is there hd lookings
KevinCMustDie 1 month ago
what kind of fabric is this?
Necro280 1 month ago
240p we meet again...
thekronosproject 3 months ago 2
where the fuck do i get this material this whole tutorial is use less without it. omfg.
girwch 4 months ago
and how thin is it gonna be? thin as silk or rough?
TheNirwch 4 months ago
what type of fabric should I use? i dont know please tell me :D how tall is this shit gonna be? double the size of my hip to my toes? or just to my foot?
TheNirwch 4 months ago
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TheNirwch 4 months ago
it's 911 right now...the vid ends at 9:11 .....PARTYY AT MY HOUSE!! XD
dkozy26 4 months ago
September 11..we will never forget.
KenovaTheFox 4 months ago
your video is false advertiseing. I never found a single god dam pattern in any of the videos. If i missed it let me know.
TheBabylonDragon 5 months ago
@TheBabylonDragon Indeed you missed it. In another video she shows how to draw the pattern from scratch.
AdamTheGuitarHero 3 months ago
Never mind just found the pattern video! =DDDD!
thanks! PLurr!
seal339 5 months ago
where did you get your pattern from?
seal339 5 months ago
@seal339 She made it. Check out her pattern tutorial
LilGunner030 5 months ago
@TheMadmonkey21 You sir are a pervert
Jinglebombgirl 7 months ago
@TheMadmonkey21
..its the internet budd...
i think its time for you to get a girlfriend.
nuff' said.
YourVagHasTeeth 8 months ago 6
I am officially highly annoyed that my sewing machine is 1000 miles away in ARKANSAS (mom convinced me to leave it and buy a new one but I can't find the one I want anymore) and the rave I want to go to is in a week.
hamstergirl591 9 months ago
Nice vid, dislike your camera voice (sounds so unattural D':), but helps me make a pair of phats so you getch mai good rating. >:3
BronzeOrwin 11 months ago
She wins todays "Dat Ass" Award.
TheSoundGodz 11 months ago 2
i love how she says crotch all formal and classy-like xD
iJ3NN1 11 months ago 2
shit i cant sew i was gonna put reflector tape on oversized jeans i wanna know how to do that
8atk 1 year ago
Whats the fabric?
HSShockers 1 year ago
what fabric is it jean fabric or like leather
SuperShuffleTruffle 1 year ago
@SuperShuffleTruffle im pretty sure its kind of like a nylon fabric not positive on that
Gin132456 1 year ago
why she say peace n not PLUR??
nahuhbitch 1 year ago
can you guys help me please i dont know what the fabric is supposed to be made out of. like what is the fabric?
TheFaceMelterz 1 year ago
Hey~
How do you fold the fabric exactly? I'm a bit confused by it.
ChibiPandaa 1 year ago
i dont undre stand what you did when you folded the fabrick..and can you just like use difrent peac sepret like cut it out sepret
tam999x 1 year ago
@tam999x nvm i figred it out
tam999x 1 year ago
i like it when she pokes her pants and says like this bit like ur croch
blake10001 1 year ago
hay so i was making a pattern for 60" pants and all i did was draw a straight line from the crotch to the end of the 30" mark, so it looks kinda like half a giant triangle....is this a bad way to do that or am I doing it right?
PLURxMonkey 1 year ago
lol you are fun! wish you would do more :-D
Sweetpickledhearts 1 year ago
why don't they teach kids how to make raverpants these days in school? I would have had a whole closet full of these buddies by now lol!
graphite412 1 year ago 72
@graphite412
I went to home ec. senior year....they tried to teach us how to make regular pants....didn't sit and explain it like she's doing - the right way - they gave us a piece of paper with lots of terminology and no explanations on any of it....needless to say, they turned out terrible.
Yoherz 11 months ago
@graphite412
i made a pair of phat pants in my fashion design & merchandising class! ;D
NadiaNarcotics 3 months ago
what pants do you start out with.?
ohaimraddx 1 year ago
what kind of fabric do you use?
flyhighrover 1 year ago
Whats the size of the fabric?
Mabuu29 1 year ago
right side out.
mastermind14150 1 year ago
Hey thanks this was really useful. I was actually trying to make samurai pants and I thought it might work. And it did! This was also my first time sawing anything, so Im really thankful for your help. Your amazing thank you thank you thank you!
bellamaxbookworm 1 year ago
i made my own imma post it as a video response!
SmartHardstyle 1 year ago
what fabric is that?
ustvar 1 year ago
@ustvar I would use a nice breathing fabric, like cotton or something else that is durable and soft, instead of the one she used. That fabric is actually kind of delicate if it is the one I think it is. I think it is a type of microfiber.
catalinaam 1 year ago
@catalinaam thank you for replay. But cotton is so boring (or just for me). What do you think about lycra fabric?
ustvar 1 year ago
@ustvar Cotton may be boring, but you are always able to add your own style to it. As for lycra fabric, it's a very comfortable fabric and it is stretchy! It is thin, durable, and breaths. Great for rave pants since you will be moving around so much! ^_^ They make cotton lycra mix fabrics too.
catalinaam 1 year ago
where can i get the damn pattern
thunderhorse1000 1 year ago
appreciate you showing us and all but it honestly sounds like you're sooo lost...
yeahhkgb 1 year ago
u touched ur pussy lol i am getting my phat pants from strage days clothign they have ggod ones ther
mhcshufflecrew 1 year ago 2
i got 10 of them and they all add up to $1000
yumyum1100 1 year ago
their so expensive. i have a pair on phat pants for shufflin but i need another. 180$ for a pair.... ill try this
xHardStyL3x 1 year ago
when did mc hammer pants go back in style , fuck missed the memo
spitwod1 2 years ago
@spitwod1 theirs parachute pants complete oppasite
Dawg54bc 1 year ago
@spitwod1 hammer pants had a low crotch and tappered inwards at the ankle.... phat pants have a high crotch and get wide at the bottom.... two completely different kinds of pants in looks and fit. I dont see where you got hammer pants from -_-
thunderhorse1000 1 year ago
what type of fabric should i use?
RightHandManX666 2 years ago 2
@RightHandManX666 Demin
Dawg54bc 1 year ago
wow im going to need to get my mom, shes a sewing master so yay, i can't do this on my own XD
RightHandManX666 2 years ago
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jesus christ why cant u guys just buy the damn pair of pants instead?
HSDominate 2 years ago
b/c they are really expensive
VisualKeiGirl09 2 years ago
by em for me =)
jmxrawr 2 years ago
no, they cost waaaaaaaaay tooo much for us poor folk
dcd1248 2 years ago
I have bought T-Former Ones, but I want to make some orbit ones for $50 tops, not buy them for $150
hardStyleMati 2 years ago
very typical, the vid. ends in 9:11...
isaiahkanda 2 years ago 44
OMG, and 911 IS STILL A CONSPIRACY
counterstrikekid42 2 years ago
@isaiahkanda SO?
shellbarbie 6 months ago
what fabric u use???
nazaEVILS400 2 years ago
Looks like a silk or polyester. Don't hold me to it though.
savagesnowball 2 years ago
a really light material lol
VisualKeiGirl09 2 years ago
these measurements give no room for hips or booty... :/
rainbowqtbabe 2 years ago
lol ur obsessed with ur crotch rofl
thedragonslayerking 2 years ago
Nothing wrong with that.
savagesnowball 2 years ago 2
its like what nice sheets are made of like bed sheets this was actually really helpful
jooohf 2 years ago
Nice ass, mind raving that inside my phat?
rangerbx 2 years ago 2
hey, i think i may have missed the detail but what kind of fabric did you use for this?
and what kind of fabric would be best for this?
o0tripped0o 2 years ago
not helping at allllll
what type of fabric did she use?
what is the size of the fabric?
kalCubeMaster 2 years ago
i have been reading peoples comments and your is so dumb look the fabric is how you measure so depending what size you are is depending how much fabric you buy and you can use what ever kind of fabric you want
ilovesteve7 2 years ago
so want kinda of fabric do u use for this?
originalwarprincess 2 years ago
so by fabric, is this something we could buy at michaels or do we have to buy it specifically from your store?
MrSandman98 2 years ago
lol as you can see this is the crotch
00crazyguyz00 2 years ago
lol
jlewi168 2 years ago
you have a nice ass
schextreme22851 2 years ago
Women i dun understand a shit u r saying
kit99999999 2 years ago
"O'... well.. hello again" haha, nice one^^
keyblademasterchief 2 years ago 2
thank you!!!!!
w8w0wissweet 2 years ago
okay..... is raver pants phat pants???? plz tell me
w8w0wissweet 2 years ago
Phat pants are pants used by "Shufflerz".
Shufflerz are Ravers who Mostly Favor Hardstyle Techno, and do a style of Dance called the "Melbourne shuffle"
Dzyroth808 2 years ago 2
that damnce has my name in it and ianever heard of it
DemonLlama25 2 years ago
that is exacly what what shuffling is
MHSJshuffle 2 years ago
yepp
JinxtheWitch 2 years ago
yeah there same thing
Blake99xboxlive 2 years ago
Not necessarily. Phat Pants are Kandy Kid raver clothing, basically just for looks. Rave pants can actually be anything, as long as you can move around in it well.
SevenLivelySins 2 years ago
so exactly what kind of materials fabric .etc
kysean3126 2 years ago
What Fabric are most phat pants made of/ and what one should i use?
HardstyleSrb 2 years ago
something called denim
MasterKenth 2 years ago
Hmm sounds rare and mystic >.>
shineswe123 2 years ago 2
some sort of lightweight polyester
hchavens 2 years ago
most rave pahts are made of A mix of denum and polyester that allows air to flow and its light wait so you dont sweeat your balls off
DarksideShuffle 2 years ago
I've never seen a pair made out of denim that looked even remotely danceable
hchavens 2 years ago
My bad was readin comments and i ment to say cotton instead of denum my bad bro, their usually 2/3 polyester 1/3 cotton, my mistake xD
DarksideShuffle 2 years ago
that makes more sense :]
hchavens 2 years ago
Where can I get the pattern?
HiddenFromSight 2 years ago
u mean reflectors?
Xiia0Sn00pY 2 years ago
no, the patern for cutting out the fabric.
HiddenFromSight 2 years ago
erm just search up google..or heatwave..they will show the way on how to cut the pants to make phats
Xiia0Sn00pY 2 years ago
Raver pants were gold in 90s
those were good times
Igotnuts 2 years ago
grazie dio è.è
matte5543shuffler 2 years ago
just curious
was looking to make some phat pants using fury material.
is there anything ineeda do differently.???.
thnx
~thumper
thatbaykid 2 years ago
yea, put REALLY FLASHY AND REFLECTIVE MATERIAL ON THE OUTSIDE, thats about it :D
jazkat1 2 years ago 3
hey mate ure 13? because i checked ur profile, but im from perth and i have no clue where to get reflective shit, i only know where to get the pants.
but i need the materials
thx
Cao999 2 years ago
alternategear(dot)com
REVLANCER 2 years ago
What kind of fabric is best?
AceOfRoyalty 2 years ago
hehe i have that belt x]
xXHuNnYXBeAnXx 2 years ago
I love how you're talking to us like idiots XD
TokioHotelProduction 2 years ago 3
wow damn it takes me forever to sew. This helped me understand a bit more thanks.
sarahcbear 2 years ago
hmmm so..all I need now is reflectors..thx for uploadin this vid!!
MephistoMun 2 years ago
lol, you are awesome! thank you so much, I made a pair and now I am sellin them to all my friends and people I dont even know. Oh ya.. you are awesome not cuz deh, vid, but you are funny, witty, AND beautiful!! keep up the good worx!
vampiricHaru 2 years ago 13
@vampiricHaru thats so cool! how much do you sell them for?
boredmann666 1 year ago
@vampiricHaru Kiss ass much
stealthlead 1 year ago
is...is that quilter's cotton?
xdeliriumgirlx 2 years ago
its the cotton poyester stuff, if im not decieved.
vampiricHaru 2 years ago 2
your pretty and pretty good hahahaha
can i have a private lesson lmao =P
well im stuck here in the USA so this video has given me another hobby to mix with my others thank you =]
motocrosser 3 years ago
what kind of fabric should i use
bcnr33skyline187 3 years ago
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Focking hypies
guypp20 3 years ago
stoupid cnat spel?
zidanetribal00042 3 years ago 7
lol
jammedfinga 3 years ago
umm big difference between hippies and ravers dude
motocrosser 3 years ago 3
i was not able to see the fabric clearly. I wanted to see what you were doing when you sewed the two legs together, but all of the fabric seemed blended together. Would you be able to do a video where you do a closeup of the pants instead of showing you talking into the camera?
lindsayrogers 3 years ago
I have worn raver pants in black vinyl red stitching 42inch around bottoms that were custom made and black leather dress pants with
a 32 inch bottom welt pockets
and would like to go bigger like 36inch bottoms.
wsdasda 3 years ago
...i love you.
jkjk. but yeah... n e suggestions on fabric?
tkblanc 3 years ago
something tough.. but comfortable. that way you dont like scratch your legs or something when dancing, and also you dont rip ur pants off during a rave, cuz that'd b so fuckin embarrassing..
swgeek63092 3 years ago
or the start of a new trend but thats why i dont where tripp s while dancing haha
jessewhite666 2 years ago
hey.. i never thought it`s that easy to make a pair of pants ( i used to work 2 years with sewing and embrodery machines..)
oh. .and ...
An ideea for customizing the pants.. you can go to an Autometic embrodery center.. and order an unique model with unique thread(for thows who don`t know.. there are threads that are reflecting the light in the dark(can`t remember the word)
Sry for my bad english... :)
Satanro666 3 years ago
would u rather spend 200 dollars? or make ur own for about 20 but use alot of thread :o
RedRoost80 3 years ago 5
i dont feel like sewing,,,,never got to touch a needle and thread,,,but the phat pants for shuffle costs 200 dollar they say.kiss my hiney!
drystzz 3 years ago
Yeah, no. They aren't unisex necessarily. There are especially skinny and girlie phat pants for females
collinm14 3 years ago
great tutorial! the beutiful thing about rave pants is that they are completely unisex! so you dont have to change anything to make them male or female, only color and maybe the textile of choise!=)
DawnInBlood 3 years ago
wat diffrents raver pants n shuffle phatz...?
CDA9406 3 years ago
6there the same
limezy2 3 years ago
well for one phats arent "shuffling" pants, they are just rave pants, a type of thing people wear at raves......
flank123 3 years ago
.. then define shuffling pants. because sounds to me like you're just making stuff up now
swgeek63092 3 years ago
I define shuffle pants as this: what ever you where while shuffling.
The point i was trying to make is phats aren't shuffling pants in the sense that you ONLY where them for shuffling, they are rave pants which may be worn while shuffling.
flank123 3 years ago 3
ah ok. yes i agree phats are not ONLY to be worn whilst shuffling, you could wear them for everyday life, as long as its not like to work or something, and its a good way to be identified as a raver xD only problem is you should know how to dance in them before wearing. otherwise you're just going to make a fool of yourself. anyway i agree that phats arent the only pants you could wear either. you can wear any baggy pants you have, which in my opinion looks best... but really just any pant works
swgeek63092 3 years ago
Thanks for the tips :3
GimpyThePirate17 3 years ago
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She's pretty hot
JohnBlayze 3 years ago 2
ok hi im 12 years old, i only want the raving pants for shuffling hardstyle. Like WTF :) ok i get some of it but im pretty sure that if i tried id fail and i dont even have a sewing machine >.> could i try doing old school sewing like with fingers? i found this helpful but if im gonna try do it, im gonna ask my mum for help Thanx :) i showed my mum these vids :D thanks once again
flare1236 3 years ago
A note if you're trying to sew the pants with a machine. She has a serger that binds the edges as she sews. If you don't have a serger and have a domestic machine that's usually bigger, you'll want to sew the seam just like she does but when you're done open the flaps and sew them down as if your making two-four more seams. It helps to reinforce them and keep them from splitting as well as giving a detail on the outside.
Keep in mind that every good seamstress failed more than once.
kissiebooashes 3 years ago
Hey Im 13 I also want to try them.
HBSfromMsia 3 years ago
Guys, it's spelt "sewing" not "sowing". God.
leekymkween 3 years ago 2
thnx alot :D now my mom can get started :D
btw what kind of material u use? ( the pants )
ADFHOOLIGANS 3 years ago
Thats interesting and all but how about i just send u some money to make da pants :)? + im not good at sowing or warever u know.
3dwin27 3 years ago
wanna make me a pair? I tried, and failed lol
KnifeKills 3 years ago
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boringggggggggggggggg.......
sabrok87 3 years ago
Thank you for explaining.. it was very helpful !
skyaglow 3 years ago 2
i dont know who the hell is going to fit in those pants.. :P
Putlta 3 years ago
What kind of fabric did you use? What do you think is the best cotton/poly (or other) that would stand up to wear and tear in clubs and also not heat up a lot. I have a pair of UFOs, and the first thing I noticed was how thin and light the fabric is, and it feels a little like vinyl blend, like a windbreaker almost. Wondering if there's a reason for that or if it's just personal preference.
dizzydreamaway 3 years ago 3
They using TC (cotton polyester mix)
Splosch 3 years ago
????????????????
ruzama1995 3 years ago
interesting yet confusing and...well i wont even bother...sowings not my thing.
HungryHamster09 3 years ago
so how do we make this again?
Aaracha 3 years ago
I swear to god, the way she speaks, it sounds as if she wasn't sure what she was saying, she sounded very unsure of the info she was giving us.
lol.
ximortal 3 years ago
This chick sucks at giving direction.
kris4jeff 3 years ago
your cool but i hate gingers....im sorry
shingtzun 3 years ago
For some reason it sounds funny when she says pants.
RPSBob 3 years ago
she pointed at her crotch!
paintballingguy 3 years ago
OMG we're all going to die because she pointed there!!! Cyber molestation!!!!!!!!!!
jess2621musicfreak 3 years ago
Yeah, crotch..
It's ok tho, she has a nice one.
paintballingguy 3 years ago
Fabric
sinx10 3 years ago 2
Well done.
witchdiva 3 years ago
you're cute
harcore116 3 years ago 4
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Yup, untill she gets closer to the camera, then you can tell that the years of drugs have already taken toll..
paintballingguy 3 years ago
i loved this video. i just got a sewing machine. i made a pair of pants by hand...it took forever i mean they came out alright but now that i have a sewing machine i think i can do better...i think your vid will really help although...what kind of stitch should i use?
udipanda 4 years ago
Best way to do anything if you just have a domestic sewing machine, zigzag stitch over the edges to lock loose threads and prevent fraying. Then use a straight stitch for the seams.
dizzydreamaway 3 years ago
i loved this video. i just got a sewing machine. i made a pair of pants by hand...it took forever i mean they came out alright but now that i have a sewing machine i think i can do better...i think your vid will really help although...what kind of stitch should i use?
udipanda 4 years ago