everybody should stop debaing whos better, there both amazing its annoying seeing this argument everytime i wanna watch some beatles! writing and alone and together they are brilliant so lets stop this bullsh*&!
@djpiccalo: I personally like John more than Paul, because he could wrote more nightmarish, out-the-world, psychedelic, surrealistic songs than Paul could.
if you ask me both song writers where amazingly talented! they both wrote seperate classics and also working together and a lot of them.John was more of an experimenter with some of the psychdellic stuff where as Paul normally played it safe with some cool piano stuff and aucustic guitars.Helter Skelter and REvoulution are two seperate songs that are amazing in there own right.
it was Johns band cause he started it but if it wasnt for the two of theres seperate personalites and collabriation we wouldnt have so many classic hits
whos disputing who was the leader? it was lennon's band, he put it together. i think its all a matter of opinion on whos better aswell, what about strawberry fields forever, lucy in the sky with diamonds, and a day in the life? all lennon's songs.(apart from the ''i woke up, got outta bed' bit in a day in the life')
Thanks, geofree1984. Ringo, indeed! They DID need each other and were semi-floundering until they got Ringo to solidify the band in '62. I grew up with them but didn't see a show until McCartney's in 1990. He wasn't in his best voice on that tour if you use "Tripping the Fantastic" as your guide, but in 2002, when I saw him next, he was really strong; my wife was weeping because she didn't think she'd ever get to experience something that could even begin to touch what the Fabs did together.
There is no doubt at all that Paul was the main musical force. He was also that in terms of production as well. A lot of the time George Martin didn't really have to do the things he did because Paul McCartney was around and could have done them equally well. The only thing he couldn't do was to put symbols to chords: he couldn't write music. But he could most certainly tell an arranger how to do it, just by singing a part[...] But most of the ideas came from Paul.--Beatles engineer Norman Smith
You just cited the opinion of two individuals, both of which were know to have (ESPECIALLY Emerick) worked with Paul after the breakup and after John died, therefore they would be more inclined to acknowledge him as the leader. Anyway, what is their testimony compared to that of the other three Beatles, including (as you stated) Paul himself? As I've said, Paul and John were both EXTREMELY talented, but John was the leader.
Furthermore,when Paul did start leading the Beatles in the last two years or so of their existence,he was domineering to the point of abusiveness and was a major cause of their split.George Harrison stated in 1972 that he wouldn't mind working with Lennon or Starr, but couldn't see himself working with McCartney ever again because he severely limited his musical contributions to the Beatles.Indeed, Harrison guest performed the lead guitar on Lennon's "How do you Sleep".
'Abusiveness'sounds very harsh to me, and unless it comes directly from one of the mouths of those people who worked with Paul, I'd refrain from using it.
My point is: When I see some idiot writing that John was the UNDISPUTED leader of The Beatles, it kind of annoys me, because, as I've demonstrated, both engineers, at least to some extent, dispute it, which makes the claim rather pointless.
George's input on 'How do you sleep' is, of course, well documented, and his 1972 comment(I don't know your source)should be viewed in the light of their on-going legal dispute with Paul at that time.
But already the next year, John, George and Ringo ended up suing Allen Klein, which made their attitude towards Paul somewhat more pleasant.
Paul WANTED to sue Allen Klein, but had to sue the other three to get out of his contract, which funnily makes him the only Beatle NOT to sue Klein.
"When I see some idiot writing that John was the UNDISPUTED leader of the Beatles, it kind of annoys me."
First,don't call me an idiot,that's beneath you,and secondly,in one of your posts you stated that "There is no doubt that Paul was the main musical force."
Well,I have demonstrated that I have doubts about this,and much more importantly that others have doubted this such as the other three Beatles (Paul included).Does that make YOU an idiot? Anyway,I'm probably all done here, so peace out.
I haven't seen YOU claim John was the undisputed anything. I have seen OTHER people using those exact words -- and it's fine, if they actually bother to do any research beforehand, and not just keep repeating old myths and popular belief.
I'm also a Lennon-fan(even bought the Plastic Ono Band DVD)-- though not in the religious sense, like some people frequenting here -- but I get the feeling that some fans don't even bother reading Lennon's own interviews, kind of fearing what they may find.
Whithout John's singing the songs lose all meaning. (I do love paul though)
And the Beatles aren't about who's the leader, The Beatles will always be the greatest band ever beacause of the combination of two musical geniuses John Lennon and Paul McCartney (plus the great talent of george and ringo biensur!)
I agree with everything you said, but JOHN was undeniably (despite whatever Sir Paul says) the leader of the Beatles. Just type in "leader of the Beatles" on Google and you'll see. Anyway, you're right, John and Paul were both musical geniuses, but without John the Beatles would never have benn founded and the rock world will still be in the Elvis stage.
"just type in 'leader of the beatles' on google and you'll see."
Yeah, that's a valid argument. You say the Beatles never would have made it without John, but I doubt they would have made it without Paul either. Both of them were vital to the sound of the band. Besides, there were other people who were not in the band but very key in the rise and success of the Beatles such as George Martin, Brian Epstein and Neil Aspinall.
The Beatles were a perfect storm of all the right peoeple.
Yeah you're right, without Paul the Beatles would have lacked the optimistic storytelling songwriter that Paul was, which balanced the more cynical and introspective John when they wrote songs together. I'm just saying that John was the leader and without him the Beatles wouldn't have been founded and we would be in the Elvis stage.
I do Not agree! I think you know what means "Lennon/Mccartney"? Most of the beatles' music was made by both of them and whitout paul, the beatles wouldn't have exited. The beatles = John + Paul (and of course george and ringo) and not John alone! Alone, he would never had any success.
I didn't say that John was the Beatles, that would be lunacy. Paul composed such classics as "Yesterday" and "Eleanor Rigby" and "The Long and Winding Road". I just think that Lennon wrote their greatest songs. He wrote (by himself) "Strawberry Fields", "In My Life" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". I know they were Lennon-McCartney, but by the time they wrote the really great music, they were mostly writing songs independently. "A Day in the Life" is one example of a late Lennon-Macca collaboration.
Firstly, when has Sir Paul claimed to be the leader of The Beatles?
In 'Many Years From Now' he claims to have enjoyed being number two.
He uses a riding analogy: The first rider has to open the gates, and those that follow can just ride through(or something like that...)
But it remains a fact that both Norman Smith and Geoff Emerick, The Beatles' engineers(N.S. 1962-1965; G.E. 1966-1969), have stated that while they were working with The Beatles, Paul was very much the one in charge.
Give me a break, you must be another delusional Macca fan. There is NO doubt that Paul was extremely talented vocally, lyrically and musically. However, please, some things are sacred and we musn't change them because we like certain individuals. JOHN was the leader, his image was ALWAYS the leader, Pete Best (ex-Beatle before they were big) said that John was ALWAYS the leader, George Harrison and Ringo Starr have both said that John was ALWAYS the leader etc. etc.
[Paul] was also clearly the most interested in how the recording sounded. Though he didn't raise his voice like the lead singer did, I had the distinct impression that he was the leader of the group. When he spoke, the others listened intently and invaribly nodded their heads in agreement, and before each take, he was the one urging them on to give it their all.
(continues): Looking back on it now, it's funny how most people thought of John Lennon[...]as the leader of The Beatles. It might have been his band in the beginning, and he might have assumed the leadership role in their press conferences and public appearances, but throughout all the years I would work with them, it always seemed to me that Paul McCartney, the soft-spoken bass player, was the real leader of the group, and that nothing got done unless he approved of it.
(continues): It's obvious that Paul saw a vacancy in leadership after Brian died, and he stepped in. Perhaps that ultimately led to the band's breakup, but the fact of the matter is that someone had to. Surely Ringo and George Harrison couldn't, and[...]John simply wasn't capable of it at that point in his life. As I see it, Paul saved the band. Sure, he made mistakes, but he kept[The Beatles] going at a time when they could have easily crumbled. I reckon he deserves a lot of credit for that.
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John was not a leader of the Beatles. The songs and videos prove that. As John said Paul would come in with 10 completed songs and say lets record. John said give me a couple of days and let me write some. John was lazy bastard. Proof of this comes from his 1975-1980 output wich is zero. Love John but a leader of the Beatles,wash your mouth with soap. Happy new year...and war is not over. Ed
You shouldn't let personal opinion shadow the facts. During '75 to '80 Lennon was fathering a child and dealing with other personal battles including dealing with the success of the Beatles! I'm not trying to change your opinion but the Beatles were a dynamic phenomenon with a very high synergy. All the archives seem to show Lennon as the instigator and he probably lead the band with his outspoken views and pure genious!....
...Paul was a cool commercial composer and this may be the reason for thinking he was more active in the band than Lennon. Lennon probably cared less for what people thought of him whereas McCartney manipulated peoples opinions carefully. Take care,
Well what is really funny or sad is there are many people who hate or do not like Beatles music. Now we can agree to disagree but at least we have ears. As Beateles fans we should laugh, enjoy it all, at least we can. Lennon vs McCartney is ultimately silly.I'm just glad I love them all. Yeah, we will never know what the hell happaned. I'm just glad it all happened. Ed
the beatles are the best group of music from around the world and history, who does not like a song from them? only fools and stupid and ignorant
luislennon96rock 1 year ago 3
((°J°))
nosirisx 1 year ago 4
(((^_^)))= Paul
///o-o\\\=John
<3<3<3<3<3
bubblegumicecream00 1 year ago 3
everybody should stop debaing whos better, there both amazing its annoying seeing this argument everytime i wanna watch some beatles! writing and alone and together they are brilliant so lets stop this bullsh*&!
djpiccalo 1 year ago 16
@djpiccalo: I personally like John more than Paul, because he could wrote more nightmarish, out-the-world, psychedelic, surrealistic songs than Paul could.
VideoUploaderTester 1 year ago
if you ask me both song writers where amazingly talented! they both wrote seperate classics and also working together and a lot of them.John was more of an experimenter with some of the psychdellic stuff where as Paul normally played it safe with some cool piano stuff and aucustic guitars.Helter Skelter and REvoulution are two seperate songs that are amazing in there own right.
JakesHouseProduction 2 years ago
it was Johns band cause he started it but if it wasnt for the two of theres seperate personalites and collabriation we wouldnt have so many classic hits
JakesHouseProduction 2 years ago 6
@JakesHouseProduction That's the unique thing about them: the band belonged to the person who wrote the song ;)
SirPwn4lot 1 year ago
really not feelin the crappy keyboard sounds over strawberry fields forever,
kurtcobain1 2 years ago
Arent you tired disputing who was (is) a leader-Macca or John??
Macca wrote the greatest songs ob Beatle-wrote by himself without Lennon-Yesterday, Let it be, All my loving etc.
John was official leader as he could spoke quite well in press-conference and shows.
It*s pity some ppl underestimate Macca. But he*s the greatest songwritter.
katrin2801 2 years ago
whos disputing who was the leader? it was lennon's band, he put it together. i think its all a matter of opinion on whos better aswell, what about strawberry fields forever, lucy in the sky with diamonds, and a day in the life? all lennon's songs.(apart from the ''i woke up, got outta bed' bit in a day in the life')
kurtcobain1 2 years ago
you fail
Montefusco1 2 years ago
ahhaha shallow, i know, but pauls hair :D cackle.
good version but I don't know..don't like him singing John's song... it doesn't work for him (:
but I love paul
kiisings88 2 years ago
JOHN + PAUL EQUALS MAGIC..
gregfarleyeverst69 2 years ago 19
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I agree...
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JOHNS MUSIC WILL NEVER DIE
jba2323 2 years ago 2
(((o-o)))
A poorly made John Lennon.
TheWhatWasThatShow 2 years ago
FANTASTIC!
BeatlesFan6270 2 years ago
If there is a lip reader out there, can you tell me what Paul is saying at 6:04 to 6:05?
koontzman123 2 years ago
John's spirit will never die.
sandydennisfan 2 years ago 5
yes never
ouneouneouneoune 2 years ago
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AerisetLux 2 years ago
/// o-o \\\
penumbrasoledad 2 years ago 2
john!
kiisings88 2 years ago
RIP JOHN LENNON YOU WILL LIVE FOREVER
raetyn1234 2 years ago 5
/// o-o \\\ john lennon R.I.P
Beatles801 3 years ago
WOW!
RyahSure 3 years ago
Thanks, geofree1984. Ringo, indeed! They DID need each other and were semi-floundering until they got Ringo to solidify the band in '62. I grew up with them but didn't see a show until McCartney's in 1990. He wasn't in his best voice on that tour if you use "Tripping the Fantastic" as your guide, but in 2002, when I saw him next, he was really strong; my wife was weeping because she didn't think she'd ever get to experience something that could even begin to touch what the Fabs did together.
mightyBRB 3 years ago
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good stuff paul, i guess he started thinkin' 'bout that ol' instant karma
geofree1984 3 years ago
Macca at his best. His voice was still strong in 1990.
musicthumbs 3 years ago
Forget the "leaders" stuff. Two brilliant but different writers, not to mention vocalists: how did ONE BAND manage to have that much talent?
If you want to give John the edge, well, OK.
I think it was critic Robert Christgau who wrote, "The Beatles broke up because three of them thought they were a genius, but only one of them was."
mightyBRB 3 years ago
RINGO
geofree1984 3 years ago
my british idol
mikehi93lal 3 years ago
I disagree with John being 100% the leader.Paul was the leader from 66-70.
JshC77 3 years ago 2
john was allways the leader but paul was in controll when john was really messed up on drugs.
googlelyfgjhtr 3 years ago
But according to many Beatle Websites he took control of the Beatles and they all felt just a little uncomfortable around him!
joyboy10 3 years ago
are u musicians ...can u comment on this...
robboseventy2 3 years ago
I think the way YouTube works, anyone can comment on anything (as long as comments are allowed).
Avebury 3 years ago
There is no doubt at all that Paul was the main musical force. He was also that in terms of production as well. A lot of the time George Martin didn't really have to do the things he did because Paul McCartney was around and could have done them equally well. The only thing he couldn't do was to put symbols to chords: he couldn't write music. But he could most certainly tell an arranger how to do it, just by singing a part[...] But most of the ideas came from Paul.--Beatles engineer Norman Smith
AlbertCunning 3 years ago
You just cited the opinion of two individuals, both of which were know to have (ESPECIALLY Emerick) worked with Paul after the breakup and after John died, therefore they would be more inclined to acknowledge him as the leader. Anyway, what is their testimony compared to that of the other three Beatles, including (as you stated) Paul himself? As I've said, Paul and John were both EXTREMELY talented, but John was the leader.
Samprasisthebest 3 years ago
Furthermore,when Paul did start leading the Beatles in the last two years or so of their existence,he was domineering to the point of abusiveness and was a major cause of their split.George Harrison stated in 1972 that he wouldn't mind working with Lennon or Starr, but couldn't see himself working with McCartney ever again because he severely limited his musical contributions to the Beatles.Indeed, Harrison guest performed the lead guitar on Lennon's "How do you Sleep".
Samprasisthebest 3 years ago
'Abusiveness'sounds very harsh to me, and unless it comes directly from one of the mouths of those people who worked with Paul, I'd refrain from using it.
My point is: When I see some idiot writing that John was the UNDISPUTED leader of The Beatles, it kind of annoys me, because, as I've demonstrated, both engineers, at least to some extent, dispute it, which makes the claim rather pointless.
John was definitely A leader of The Beatles.
THE leader?
Well, it depends on the time and place.
AlbertCunning 3 years ago
George's input on 'How do you sleep' is, of course, well documented, and his 1972 comment(I don't know your source)should be viewed in the light of their on-going legal dispute with Paul at that time.
But already the next year, John, George and Ringo ended up suing Allen Klein, which made their attitude towards Paul somewhat more pleasant.
Paul WANTED to sue Allen Klein, but had to sue the other three to get out of his contract, which funnily makes him the only Beatle NOT to sue Klein.
AlbertCunning 3 years ago
"When I see some idiot writing that John was the UNDISPUTED leader of the Beatles, it kind of annoys me."
First,don't call me an idiot,that's beneath you,and secondly,in one of your posts you stated that "There is no doubt that Paul was the main musical force."
Well,I have demonstrated that I have doubts about this,and much more importantly that others have doubted this such as the other three Beatles (Paul included).Does that make YOU an idiot? Anyway,I'm probably all done here, so peace out.
Samprasisthebest 3 years ago
I haven't seen YOU claim John was the undisputed anything. I have seen OTHER people using those exact words -- and it's fine, if they actually bother to do any research beforehand, and not just keep repeating old myths and popular belief.
I'm also a Lennon-fan(even bought the Plastic Ono Band DVD)-- though not in the religious sense, like some people frequenting here -- but I get the feeling that some fans don't even bother reading Lennon's own interviews, kind of fearing what they may find.
AlbertCunning 3 years ago
most of the songs came from jhon it was johns idea to xome to america
woode699 3 years ago
Whithout John's singing the songs lose all meaning. (I do love paul though)
And the Beatles aren't about who's the leader, The Beatles will always be the greatest band ever beacause of the combination of two musical geniuses John Lennon and Paul McCartney (plus the great talent of george and ringo biensur!)
indiecutie 3 years ago
I agree with everything you said, but JOHN was undeniably (despite whatever Sir Paul says) the leader of the Beatles. Just type in "leader of the Beatles" on Google and you'll see. Anyway, you're right, John and Paul were both musical geniuses, but without John the Beatles would never have benn founded and the rock world will still be in the Elvis stage.
Samprasisthebest 3 years ago
"just type in 'leader of the beatles' on google and you'll see."
Yeah, that's a valid argument. You say the Beatles never would have made it without John, but I doubt they would have made it without Paul either. Both of them were vital to the sound of the band. Besides, there were other people who were not in the band but very key in the rise and success of the Beatles such as George Martin, Brian Epstein and Neil Aspinall.
The Beatles were a perfect storm of all the right peoeple.
JEVICofthaMC 3 years ago
Yeah you're right, without Paul the Beatles would have lacked the optimistic storytelling songwriter that Paul was, which balanced the more cynical and introspective John when they wrote songs together. I'm just saying that John was the leader and without him the Beatles wouldn't have been founded and we would be in the Elvis stage.
Samprasisthebest 3 years ago
you're right. But my fav was and is John.
koontzman123 2 years ago
I do Not agree! I think you know what means "Lennon/Mccartney"? Most of the beatles' music was made by both of them and whitout paul, the beatles wouldn't have exited. The beatles = John + Paul (and of course george and ringo) and not John alone! Alone, he would never had any success.
letosvet1 3 years ago
I didn't say that John was the Beatles, that would be lunacy. Paul composed such classics as "Yesterday" and "Eleanor Rigby" and "The Long and Winding Road". I just think that Lennon wrote their greatest songs. He wrote (by himself) "Strawberry Fields", "In My Life" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". I know they were Lennon-McCartney, but by the time they wrote the really great music, they were mostly writing songs independently. "A Day in the Life" is one example of a late Lennon-Macca collaboration.
Samprasisthebest 3 years ago
Firstly, when has Sir Paul claimed to be the leader of The Beatles?
In 'Many Years From Now' he claims to have enjoyed being number two.
He uses a riding analogy: The first rider has to open the gates, and those that follow can just ride through(or something like that...)
But it remains a fact that both Norman Smith and Geoff Emerick, The Beatles' engineers(N.S. 1962-1965; G.E. 1966-1969), have stated that while they were working with The Beatles, Paul was very much the one in charge.
AlbertCunning 3 years ago
Give me a break, you must be another delusional Macca fan. There is NO doubt that Paul was extremely talented vocally, lyrically and musically. However, please, some things are sacred and we musn't change them because we like certain individuals. JOHN was the leader, his image was ALWAYS the leader, Pete Best (ex-Beatle before they were big) said that John was ALWAYS the leader, George Harrison and Ringo Starr have both said that John was ALWAYS the leader etc. etc.
Samprasisthebest 3 years ago
Geoff Emerick('Here, There and Everywhere'):
[Paul] was also clearly the most interested in how the recording sounded. Though he didn't raise his voice like the lead singer did, I had the distinct impression that he was the leader of the group. When he spoke, the others listened intently and invaribly nodded their heads in agreement, and before each take, he was the one urging them on to give it their all.
AlbertCunning 3 years ago
(continues): Looking back on it now, it's funny how most people thought of John Lennon[...]as the leader of The Beatles. It might have been his band in the beginning, and he might have assumed the leadership role in their press conferences and public appearances, but throughout all the years I would work with them, it always seemed to me that Paul McCartney, the soft-spoken bass player, was the real leader of the group, and that nothing got done unless he approved of it.
AlbertCunning 3 years ago 2
(continues): It's obvious that Paul saw a vacancy in leadership after Brian died, and he stepped in. Perhaps that ultimately led to the band's breakup, but the fact of the matter is that someone had to. Surely Ringo and George Harrison couldn't, and[...]John simply wasn't capable of it at that point in his life. As I see it, Paul saved the band. Sure, he made mistakes, but he kept[The Beatles] going at a time when they could have easily crumbled. I reckon he deserves a lot of credit for that.
AlbertCunning 3 years ago 3
@AlbertCunning, even george harrison complained about how paul always wanted things his way.
likechemistry 1 year ago
nice ,but i like the originals.
4DoggyPals 4 years ago
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John was not a leader of the Beatles. The songs and videos prove that. As John said Paul would come in with 10 completed songs and say lets record. John said give me a couple of days and let me write some. John was lazy bastard. Proof of this comes from his 1975-1980 output wich is zero. Love John but a leader of the Beatles,wash your mouth with soap. Happy new year...and war is not over. Ed
BonelessSausage 4 years ago
You shouldn't let personal opinion shadow the facts. During '75 to '80 Lennon was fathering a child and dealing with other personal battles including dealing with the success of the Beatles! I'm not trying to change your opinion but the Beatles were a dynamic phenomenon with a very high synergy. All the archives seem to show Lennon as the instigator and he probably lead the band with his outspoken views and pure genious!....
guitarcrazy76 4 years ago
...Paul was a cool commercial composer and this may be the reason for thinking he was more active in the band than Lennon. Lennon probably cared less for what people thought of him whereas McCartney manipulated peoples opinions carefully. Take care,
Stephen
guitarcrazy76 4 years ago
Well what is really funny or sad is there are many people who hate or do not like Beatles music. Now we can agree to disagree but at least we have ears. As Beateles fans we should laugh, enjoy it all, at least we can. Lennon vs McCartney is ultimately silly.I'm just glad I love them all. Yeah, we will never know what the hell happaned. I'm just glad it all happened. Ed
BonelessSausage 4 years ago 3
The Beatles was Johns band. Anybody who says different is a dick.
wanderer1955 4 years ago
Maraaavilhosooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
22set85 4 years ago 3