Why do creationists feel the need to explain Noah's Flood with naturalistic causes when they can easily attribute it to God's power? Why does a completely baseless "hydroplate theory" even need to be devised when God could have easily made the water appear from nothing? Its because creationists are yearning for some scientific credibility and understand that a global flood is almost impossible. Why can't they just concede with God's "magic" and call it a day?
@carlsm95 Creationists don't see the the flood as an impossibility at all, as scientist christians, they just simply want to describe every detail (every word) of the book of Genesis, it has nothing to do with "butting heads" with secular scientists in a petty debate, creationists are scientists who love researching EVERY word of genesis in a logical way for the same reasons that ufo believers research ancient advanced technology. Everyone has passions, stop picking on us creationists.
@carlsm95 Everything in the bible is 100% tied with physics & metaphysics; real christians must take every word seriously because this about Jesus Christ (not a mere hobby). So if Jesus said God made the flood by controlling nature with complex meticulous ways on the earth & if He explains the moral reasons for them (& they do accurately explain geology without fail) then when a christian encounters documented details in genesis, then there is no real reason to randomly renounce Jesus.
"...gets the majority of it's funding from government"
i challenge you to provide evidence to back this claim. Also, the QUICKEST way to fame and fortune for a scientist would be to overturn any well -established theory
"When an equally qualified scientist detracts, then they is shunned and kick out of the "circle."
Evidence to back this bullshit? go ahead and point me to this shitfarce of a movie expelled. dare you
@legion1a You mean government high school science book. The same could be said bout Darwinism. "Scientists" stick to that idea much like Christians stick to their beliefs'. I see them as one and the same.
@LeonardSecond I think you need to look into the politics of current science. Peer reviewed means nothing. When scientific study gets the majority of it's funding from government, i find it a little bias. When an equally qualified scientist detracts, then they is shunned and kick out of the "circle." . It's been this way for centuries, the detractors tend to win. The world was once flat, remember.
again... refer to the previous comment re: fucking idiot part
the world was never flat no matter what the christian bible implies on over 40 occassions. Also, hypocrite much? The scientists that spoke out about heliocentrism were persecuted. you cannot have it both ways unless that's what you mean by the "detractors tend to win" and if by "winning" you mean thrown in jail for heresy
Just 1 major problem with that little hypothesis. The water under those pressures would have been very hot and the water that didn't get ejected that high (as not all of it possibly could) would have been so hot as to boil the surronding animals where they stood.
It's sad that people feel the need to fabricate some "scientific" explanation for the flood.
It's an insult to their idea of "God".
If they desire to believe God made a flood, they should just go ahead and believe he made the water **poof** into existence, flood everything, then **poof** out of existence a few days later.
He's God, right? He made 17 gazillion times as much stuff from zilch in the Creation a few years earlier, right?
Why this sudden need for "science"? Has he lost his touch?
@nesokretep Think about what you're saying, and how illogical it sounds. You make it sound ridiculous how God made everything, but u seem prepared to accept that everything came into existence out of NOTHING, which is really the only alternative u have.
Can u honestly not see how foolish your supposition sounds?
And for that matter, I wasn't even saying that there isn't a "God."
I was saying that, according to the simple, literal intreprtation of the Bible, GOD made everything go -*poof*- into existence out of NOTHING merely by deciding he wanted it to, so he could do the same with the flood if that's how he works.
So, either way, "everything came into existence out of nothing" as you say.
You have not really proposed an alternative to that.
@nesokretep I did propose an alternative. There is a difference between everything creating itself out of nothing, and God creating. Yes, either way it comes out of nothing, but it needs a creator to come into existence in the first place. And thinking out of our human paradigm mindest, God does not have a beginning or an end, He is self-existant.
And all the evidence points to a global flood. I'll send u a private message u links on this
@HullSerb Same old tired argument. Reductio ad absurdum. That's why I gave up debating creationist, as it serves no purpose. Besides, it's much more fun to pretend to be a creationist and make shit up to frustrate the reality based community.
This is utterly moronic. You only find liquid water at depths of about 1/2 mile or less. Any deeper than that and it is in the form of vapour because of the temperature. This nut is talking about an entire global ocean of liquid water at a depth of 10 miles. That's way deeper than parts of the crust itself.
The dynamics of that wouldn't be a crack in the crust...however dramatic...it would blow the entire darn surface of the earth into outer space.
I honestly don't know if evos are right or wrong. The question I have for theistic christian evolutionists is this. If Macro Evolution is true, then why do I need Jesus? If I don't need my sins forgiven, then what the heck do I need Jesus for? If Macro is true, then why do I need my 'sins forgiven'? I'm 100% serious, just so you know.
@gregrutz I'm not too sure where you get your info from. 71 percent of the earth's surface is under water as we speak. Of the remaining 29 percent, almost all is covered in water deposited sediments. I did say 'almost' all. Hmmmmm......sounds to me like the whole world was under water at one time or another.
I want to say that if there was a global flood and it was either all sea water or Fresh water the fish species that relied on either would be killed pretty quickly. This also means all predators would die of starvation. All rivers and seas would either be ALL salt or ALL fresh so we would not find any variation in water. Next fact is that all the plant can not survive submersion would die so we would not have any different species except those who could. Can you explain all these?
How about all of us evolutionists & creationists deal with Q&A instead of stupid insults & dumb arguments?
Q: How did plant life survive all this destruction or being drown for an extended period of time? Why aren't fossils all jumbled together instead of layered?
I'm a dumb creationist so I 'copied' this from haydenstag. I think it's a GREAT question. ANYONE GOT AN ANSWER?
Also the fellow in this video claims the force of the water equaled ten billion hydrogen bombs - it peeled off layers of the earth and carved the Grand Canyon yet left his boat intact. How is it that a wooden ark withstood this? Granted, he may be talking off the cuff when it comes to the figures but the idea still raises some serious questions. Noah's Ark disaster shelters anyone?
Unless the answer is 'miracles' then of course we have no reason to take pause.
@haydenstag Hi. I don't have a problem with this. The force of the water would not continue once the ark was afloat & I'm sure you know how freakin huge it was, yes?
Also, you've got God protecting them & preventing the animals from eating each other. So clearly, without divine intervention, this obviously would've been impossible. Isn't that the point? Still waiting for someone to answer your excellent questions
The size of the ark is big respective of our size. However, the sheer force needed to carve out a canyon and push holes through mountains would decimate even our steel constructed boats let alone a wooden box such as the ark.
If you are going to argue for the had of god protecting the boat or preventing animals from eating each other you might as well say god put a protective bubble around the plant life to allow them to survive the flood.
@haydenstag bubble around the plant life? Well, I guess that's one way God could've preserved it. I don't find it hard to believe that God 'could've' flooded the earth.
Nor do I see creationists saying that the water 'carved' out a canyon, unless they're referring to the water shooting up from below. Then that's fine. The boat would not have been hit by 'that' water.
Besides... don't you know? God posted indestructible impenetrable angels around the ark until it was afloat... : )
@haydenstag Considering the miracle of "divine protection". Would it not have been simpler just to wack the wicked? Supposededly this is an omnipotent deity? SInce animals, and certainly plants can't sin against god, why not just poof all humans (minus Noah et al, of course) back into dust? What, Moses got his plagues, but Noah got stiffed? Was Jevoah waiting to "level up". What achievement was unlocked with this many kills?
I agree with you 100%. The story makes no sense in this way (among others). But I think at level 10 Yahweh gets cloudkill and since he was still only around level 5 at this time the best he could muster was conjure water.
@haydenstag So if Jesus could raise the dead? LEVEL 80 CLERIC! I'll settle for the water into wine and loaves and fishes bit. Makes trips shopping that much shorter, neh?
@haydenstag Plant life? It just grew back after flood, just like if you destory a piece of land now, and then expose it to favourable conditions, such as sunlight and rain, the same plants will grow back again. That's just logic
As for the animals eating each other, Noah built rooms in the ark, so they would not have eaten each other.
@HullSerb You are comparing razing a lot of land to the mythical destruction of Earth - that's almost comical. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? This mythical flood had water pressure powerful enough to carve mountains, cause continental drift, extinguish lifeforms globally, and turn living creatures into fossils - yet it doesn't annihilate plant life or shatter the laughable 'design' of the ark.
I know the truth behind the animals, God put them into hibernation.
@HullSerb The plant life question. Always that, till you look at what the geological and fossil record says and consider the meaning. The chemical processes involved in all these formations directly contradict a global flood per a literal reading of Genesis. Local flood over much time? Sure. The data supports that. A global 1 year flood that created the entire fossil record and sedimentry deposits? No effing way.
@johnthreesixteen316 What flood? And you can't even get your own bible facts right, animal didn't eat animals until the first SIN. the apple, talking snake thing.
@Lightmane321 Hello friend. Plants would survive from seeds and roots. There are many, many fossil beds around the world which show fossils jumbled together. These are called 'out of place fossils."
@johnthreesixteen316 The fossils are layered like this, In the bottom layer of rock are shell fossils, above that is a layer with shells and fish fossils, above that is a layer with shells, fish and amphibians fossils, above that is a layer with shells, fish, amphibian and reptile fossils, above that is a layer with shells, fish, amphibian, reptile fossils and dinosaur fossils SEE a Pattern? There are no human fossils found in any of these layers. No dating methods used
@gregrutz Hello friend. Thanks for the comment. I do see the pattern. We find fossils in the same order they would be in if there was a flood.......sea life at the bottom for the most part and then land creatures above. To let the truth be known, we find many, many places around the world where different varieties of creatures are mixed together including dinosaurs bones in the same layers as human bones. Unfortunately, you don't hear about that very often.
@johnthreesixteen316 Look again. Floods don't sort fossils. Floods don't make distinct layers of different kinds of rock. We don't find trilobite fossils with dinosaur fossils, We don't find bunny fossils mixed with dinosaur fossils. We don't find humans with dinosaurs. There was no global flood, ask the Chinese, they didn't die in a flood.
@gregrutz Actually we do find dinos and humans together all over the place. I have an interesting fossil in my Tyndall stone fireplace. This stone is supposed to be 450 million years old, yet I have egg shell in it.
@johnthreesixteen316 No, they even figured out what dinosaurs made the ''human'' footprints. Debunked. All creationist crap has been debunked. Keep trying.
Tell me why dinosaurs stopped making fossils 65 million years ago.
@gregrutz Hello my friend. Dinosaurs made the 'human' footprints? Were these dinosaurs wearing human Halloween costumes? The dinosaurs died 4500 years ago along with everything else in the fossil record. The deluge of Noah can't be compared to any flood we see in modern times.
@gregrutz Noah's flood was really a deluge of unimaginable size. The water contained under the earth's crust was brought to the surface. The face of the earth we see today is completely different.
@gregrutz Hey friend. Here is something interesting for you regarding the Chinese......the Chinese word for boat (chuan) is the combination of 2 words........8 + mouth. 8 people were saved on that ark. Sounds to me like the Chinese remember the deluge of Noah.
@gregrutz My friend....many human remains have been found with dinosaur remains. We find human remains and human artifacts in coal too. Any evidence which contradicts the geologic column order is usually 'covered up'.
@gregrutz I didn't say anything about evolution. Science proves micro-evolution is occuring, but macro-evolution has no science to back it. Completely faith based. By the way, I dig fossils every year. Last summer in Waterton Park I found 3 small tree stumps in a big boulder with marine shells. Explain that one.
@johnthreesixteen316 Glad you accept m. Evolution happens. It was proven 150 years ago. All science supports Evolution, faith is for religion which is made up.
@gregrutz Hello friend. I accept micro-evolution....not macro-evolution. Cats may vary in colour and size but they will always be cats. Actually, the Book of Genesis describes micro-evolution......"after its kind."
@gregrutz Apes make apes.....correct! Humans are still apes? I don't think so my friend. Remember Genesis says that "God created each creature after its own kind." We are not the ape kind. If we were apes we should be able to mate with them and produce offspring. We can't. No, I didn't try!
@gregrutz I already read this post of yours. That didn't answer my question, otherwise I wouldn't of asked it. How then will Dogs ever evolve into anything other then dogs? If you say they won't because they can't, then you're a creationist. That's what creationists say. That's micro evolution.
@Lightmane321 You don't understand how evolution works. It does not say dogs will ever be anything but a dog. If they evolve wings they won't be birds, they will still be dogs with wings.
Birds are still dinosaurs! Humans are still mammals
@gregrutz Since you keep answering my question glibly, let me just say then that you're a creationist, for you've admitted twice now that dogs will ALWAYS be dogs. That's exactly what creationists teach. Welcome to the club. Good to have you. Hope we humans get wings one day too. Oh and evos don't teach that we 'came from monkeys'. Get your facts straight.
@gregrutz why is it that when people don't like what the other guy is saying, they always resort to bullshit tactics like 'No, dumb shit' or 'read a science book ID-iot'
Are you trying to compensate for something you're lacking?
You said that dogs will never evolve into non-dogs because they can't. So you agree with creationists. Welcome to the club.
@gregrutz so you don't agree with it then? you don't agree that we 'came from monkeys' but you wanted me to watch a video called 'we came from monkeys' why?
to show me that we did come from monkeys, or that we didn't?
If there's anything I can do to 'get down' to your level of communication, just let me know.
@gregrutz Science supports micro-evolution, not macro-evolution. Life didn't come from a single cell. All life was put here in it's complete and whole state.
@johnthreesixteen316 Hi John. Thanks for that. Tell me something. Can you overcome the arguments of an evolutionist who says that science backs evolution 100% with FACTS & backs creationism with 0% evidence? Evos say that creationists are pseudo-scientists who lie & distort the truth because they have an agenda. I have a friend who's looking to see if there's anyone out there who can beat him with scientific data that proves he's wrong. Would that be you?
@Lightmane321 Hello friend. Science only backs micro-evolution, not macro-evolution. Look at Darwin's finches. Some had small beaks and some had larger beaks. They were all still finches. Proof of variation within each 'kind' of creature. Doesn't prove "Goo to you" or "monkey to man". That never happened. Remember one thing.....we are dealing with people who deny their Creator.
@johnthreesixteen316 No. Most scientists are evolutionists & say that you're completely wrong. They say that science backs macro 100%. I'm asking if you can show scientific evidence that proves that macro is wrong. Many evolutionists are also christian, so you're wrong again in saying that they deny their creator. No, they don't. Ken Miller is a devoted Catholic as one example.
Now. Can you defeat my evolutionist friend in a debate by providing him scientific evidence that he won't easily be able to overcome or not? So far, he's destroyed every creationist that's argued with him. Do you have scientific data to back up your claims or should I look elsewhere to find someone who can defeat him & thus convert him? Thanks
@johnthreesixteen316 I'm sorry I bothered talking to you. Your arguments are lame. You've failed to answer my main question. I will look to see if there's any creationist scientist out there who has sound arguments that clearly refute macro evolution. All theistic evolutionists who are christian believe in evolution & the bible.
@Lightmane321 Hello again friend. I have a very interesting fossil digging story I experienced many years ago. I don't have enough room here to tell the story. If you are interested I can send you a message describing what happened.
@johnthreesixteen316 Yawn. Trying to change the subject. That's how I know that you're just parroting what you've been told. The point of having a brain, a mind, is the using of it . Are you prepared to discuss the subject matter at hand: the evidence in the Earth's Crust that directly contradicts the Genesis Flood? Yes or No?
2 Peter 3 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they WILLING ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished."
@kiwichristian2009 Was there a Global Flood? Short answer? Yes. Next question please. 5 For this they WILLING ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished."
@NorthForkFisherman Yes, a flood made the mountains. Psalm 104.....6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment; The waters were standing above the mountains. 7 At Your rebuke they fled, At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away. 8 The mountains rose; the valleys sank down To the place which You established for them. But, the biblical flood was no ordinary flood. It came with crust and mantle crushing trauma. Genesis 7:11....... "the fountains of the great deep were opened up."
@johnthreesixteen316 Thank you for standing for the truth,it is heartbreaking to see all those who have be come spiritually insane,but God nailed their thoughts and words just as He said it would be.
@CBALLEN Christ says He knocks on our doors.....Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
Makes perfect sense to anyone not brainwashed from birth by humanistic proponents of the LIE of evolution. It takes too much FAITH to believe everything in the universe, our galaxy, our solar system, our Earth and moon ALL HAPPENED BY SHEER ACCIDENT! Somebody had to DESIGN IT.
@4freespeech I agree 100 percent! Romans 1: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
@4freespeech Amen. Everything and every one has a creator. Ok, maybe there WAS a "big bang", what caused that big bang? Answer: Jesus Christ! There has never been any evidence proven to support evolution. At the same time, no evidence has ever disproven anything in the Word Of God.
@kiwichristian2009 Proof of evolution: MSU Lenski LTEE(Among 27k other papers and examples freely available thru AAAS). Falsification of a literal reading of the bible: The Earth itself. Even cursory examination of the rock layers shows this.
@4freespeech What does evolution, a biological science, have to do with geology in any way, shape, or form? Answer: NOTHING. It is what it is regardless of what you might wish. Over 300 feet of desert salt in Texas and 3100 feet under Michigan. No flood. No way.
71 percent of the earth's surface is currently under water. 75% of the remaining 29 percent is covered in water deposited sediments which are riddled with fossils. Sounds like a global flood to me.
@gregrutz The only rocks Noah's flood would have produced are the sedimentary layers which are water deposits. Some deposits are several miles thick. Most of the earth is covered in sediments.
@johnthreesixteen316 You don't understand do you? A great many of these seidments are of aeolian origin. The existance of many kinds of carbonate, caliches, and anhydrate formations specifically preclude a global flood.Then you start looking at details and see just how many more things show that a global flood never did happen. Sorry, just cold hard science.
@NorthForkFisherman I don't think it would be possible for 'wind' based sediments to bury billions of creatures so rapidly as to preserve them like we see in the fossil record.
@johnthreesixteen316 Woosh! That's the sound of the argument going right over your head. I did not say "ALL", I said many. Indeed, you can find many places where these dryland deposits are overlain with maritime sediments. My hometown of Detroit is one place where you can see this same pattern.
@NorthForkFisherman Hello friend. Woosh! That's funny! Nothing went over my head. I don't think you will find too many fossils in anything other that water born sediments. A global flood is the only thing which can account for the massive amount of fossils around this world.
@johnthreesixteen316 Ashfall Fossil Beds State Historical Park, Royal Nebraska. La Brea and McKittrick Tarpits. Like I said Whoosh! And this is not entirely about fossils. It's about the sedimentary deposits and the conditions in which they form.
@johnthreesixteen316 Agreed that it's a small part. However, fossils such as the classic protoceratops vs velociraptor from Mongolia was found in collasped dune deposits. Oviraptors found hunched over her clutch of eggs. But why the preoccupation with fossils? They are important as far as evolution goes, but have nothing to do with modern geology. And again, it's the composition of the sediments themselves that is key.
@gregrutz You are right. Any flood we have experienced won't do that. The flood of Noah was something completely different to anything we have ever seen. It was a worldwide deluge which completely erased the face of the earth. New continents and mountain ranges came as a result.
21 distinct layers of different kinds of rock, 5000 feet deep. Some from deserts, 350 feet of wind blown sand, now sandstone. With desert animal fossils in it.
The water came from the fountains of the deep as the bible states. Michael Wysession, a seismologist, found a massive water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least as big as the Arctic Ocean in the earths mantle. This is just more evidence that the word of God is true.
How do you figure that proves this true? According to this,the waters were emptied,so obviously they weren't if there is an underground ocean beneath Asia. Did God decide to magically create an Ocean sized pocket under Asia after the flood?
The creationists don't know what to invent to justify their claims.
Yes, there is water inside the earth's structure, but to say that this water has spurted out 5000 years ago to completely recover th earth as high as the top of mountains is a completely ridiclulous idea.
A convenient oversimplification to suit your needs. There is not a 100% liquid reservoir in the mantle. The rocks in this chunk of Asia are just saturated with water.
This is utterly different from what the hydroplate theory states.
Noah's crappy wooden boat withstood all of this? How did plant life survive all this destruction or being drown for an extended period of time? Why aren't fossils all jumbled together instead of layered?
Because that is what the devil wants you to believe. Haha just kidding. Its because these people were wrong, there was never a global flood, they just want to believe that jesus loves them.
Just silly. Water that shoots up 20 miles (32 kilometers) into the athmosphere at the velocity described would just evaporate into space and not come back to earth to cover the planet. And continental drift did not happen as described in this dumb ass video.
If a 10 km thick continent is 2.7 times as dense as water it will shoot this water from the vents 27 km up, or 17 km above the earth. Since the kinetic energy at the earth's surface of this jet will be equal to the GPE at 17 km, solving for velocity gives 2080 km/hr. But it will turn to steam before this happens and will expand 850X in volume. Since it is constrained in a vent it's velocity will increase 850X, 40X the escape velocity of earth. It leaves earth as steam and never comes back.
99.9% of all species on earth are extinct. so if they all lives here before the flood that would have to be a massive amt of animals covering everything. probably enought o cover the earth 2 times over. even if all of these animals existed in the 6000 yrs u claim the earth existed for it would be littered with so many animals that look almost the same to completely different. too many animals for earth to be that young. its a very good theory, now your talking like someone who doesnt read bible
I have read so many comment and videos posted by people who don't believe in God (atheist and evolutionists) and they all make fun and call names of those who do believe. It makes me certain there is a spiritual element going on because of the way they treat others.
well, and this is NOT directed towards all creationists, the reason y we usually resort to insuts is because of all the lies, or just the plain ignorance of peeps, especially if they go "its only a thoery", which is just so stupid it isnt funny
You are absolutely correct about that. They seem extremely defensive if anyone has the gall to challenge their evolution theory. The bible describes them quite well in saying "they were willfully ignorant" of the truth and only "the fool believes there is no God". I feel sorry for them. One day they will all know the truth. Hopefully it will come before they take their last breath on earth because then it will be too late for them.
The only thing I regret about god being real is I won't be able to brag about how you were wrong after we die. Oh well, I'm just happy that I live my life for me, and not for Jesus.
I try to restrain from calling creationists idiots, but do you realize that what you promote is so extravagant that it leads people to treat you that way?
When people see a clown, they automatically laugh, that's the effect you make to them.
I have seen so many outright lies from creationists, so much dishonesty, that it's hard to feel any respect for them.
I know you are sincere in your faith, but you are very blind too; I try to open your eyes, for your own good.
How was the water contained? Rock, at least the rock which makes up the earth's crust, doesn't float. The water would have been forced to the surface long before Noah's time, or Adam's time for that matter.
Even a mile deep, the earth is boiling hot, and thus the reservoir of water would be superheated. Further heat would be added by the energy of the water falling from above the atmosphere. As with the vapor canopy model, Noah would have been poached.
Do you need to believe that God created the earth (with this subterranean water bellow the crust) in order for the hydro plate theory to hold any water(pun intended).Short answer would be yes. If this was how it was original created it would also prevent friction between the earths crust and the mantel(with the water acting as lucubration) meaning little if any heat or magma until the breaking up of the crust or "fountains of the great deep".
Maybe Extraterrestrials told Noah to build an ark but he thought that it was God. Then the Extraterrestrials erected a force field around the ark so that it wouldn't break apart and transported water into the ark for all of the animals.
That's probably along the lines of what the people who made fun of Noah said. Jesus said 'As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man.
Since retiring from the military in 1980, Dr. Brown has been the Director of the Center for Scientific Creation and has worked full time in research, writing, and speaking on origins. My two cents: I am not sure how any of this makes Walt an authority in geology. h t t p : / / w w w . creationscience . com / onlinebook /
Why do creationists feel the need to explain Noah's Flood with naturalistic causes when they can easily attribute it to God's power? Why does a completely baseless "hydroplate theory" even need to be devised when God could have easily made the water appear from nothing? Its because creationists are yearning for some scientific credibility and understand that a global flood is almost impossible. Why can't they just concede with God's "magic" and call it a day?
carlsm95 1 month ago
@carlsm95 Creationists don't see the the flood as an impossibility at all, as scientist christians, they just simply want to describe every detail (every word) of the book of Genesis, it has nothing to do with "butting heads" with secular scientists in a petty debate, creationists are scientists who love researching EVERY word of genesis in a logical way for the same reasons that ufo believers research ancient advanced technology. Everyone has passions, stop picking on us creationists.
starsheild7 5 days ago
@carlsm95 Everything in the bible is 100% tied with physics & metaphysics; real christians must take every word seriously because this about Jesus Christ (not a mere hobby). So if Jesus said God made the flood by controlling nature with complex meticulous ways on the earth & if He explains the moral reasons for them (& they do accurately explain geology without fail) then when a christian encounters documented details in genesis, then there is no real reason to randomly renounce Jesus.
starsheild7 5 days ago
"Peer reviewed means nothing"
you sir, are a fucking idiot
"...gets the majority of it's funding from government"
i challenge you to provide evidence to back this claim. Also, the QUICKEST way to fame and fortune for a scientist would be to overturn any well -established theory
"When an equally qualified scientist detracts, then they is shunned and kick out of the "circle."
Evidence to back this bullshit? go ahead and point me to this shitfarce of a movie expelled. dare you
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
this crap has been debunked decades ago, why is it that people are still uploading it?!
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
"Center for Scientific Creation"?
HA!
That's enough to make you laugh!
That would be like having "The German Jewish Nazi Party"!
I read the comments here, and there really are people stupid enough to believe this line of crap!
If you are really so far out of touch with reality that you believe this is even possible, you need to get a High School Science book and read it.
Sad!
legion1a 10 months ago 2
@legion1a You mean government high school science book. The same could be said bout Darwinism. "Scientists" stick to that idea much like Christians stick to their beliefs'. I see them as one and the same.
asleeperj 7 months ago
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@asleeperj
In that case you are stupid.
legion1a 7 months ago
@asleeperj " I see them as one and the same."
then you need to open your eyes and educate yourself, because you're ignorant and a conspiracy theorist. it's embarrassing
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
@LeonardSecond I think you need to look into the politics of current science. Peer reviewed means nothing. When scientific study gets the majority of it's funding from government, i find it a little bias. When an equally qualified scientist detracts, then they is shunned and kick out of the "circle." . It's been this way for centuries, the detractors tend to win. The world was once flat, remember.
asleeperj 7 months ago
@asleeperj "The world was once flat, remember."
again... refer to the previous comment re: fucking idiot part
the world was never flat no matter what the christian bible implies on over 40 occassions. Also, hypocrite much? The scientists that spoke out about heliocentrism were persecuted. you cannot have it both ways unless that's what you mean by the "detractors tend to win" and if by "winning" you mean thrown in jail for heresy
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
Just 1 major problem with that little hypothesis. The water under those pressures would have been very hot and the water that didn't get ejected that high (as not all of it possibly could) would have been so hot as to boil the surronding animals where they stood.
lautz73 1 year ago
You would have though something like a global flood would have left SOME evidence?!?
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz ah, it did.
junglemike72 1 year ago
@junglemike72 So what is the name of the flood mud layer with all the dead bodies in it?
gregrutz 1 year ago
It's sad that people feel the need to fabricate some "scientific" explanation for the flood.
It's an insult to their idea of "God".
If they desire to believe God made a flood, they should just go ahead and believe he made the water **poof** into existence, flood everything, then **poof** out of existence a few days later.
He's God, right? He made 17 gazillion times as much stuff from zilch in the Creation a few years earlier, right?
Why this sudden need for "science"? Has he lost his touch?
nesokretep 1 year ago
@nesokretep Think about what you're saying, and how illogical it sounds. You make it sound ridiculous how God made everything, but u seem prepared to accept that everything came into existence out of NOTHING, which is really the only alternative u have.
Can u honestly not see how foolish your supposition sounds?
HullSerb 1 year ago
@HullSerb -- How did God come into existence?
And for that matter, I wasn't even saying that there isn't a "God."
I was saying that, according to the simple, literal intreprtation of the Bible, GOD made everything go -*poof*- into existence out of NOTHING merely by deciding he wanted it to, so he could do the same with the flood if that's how he works.
So, either way, "everything came into existence out of nothing" as you say.
You have not really proposed an alternative to that.
nesokretep 1 year ago
@nesokretep I did propose an alternative. There is a difference between everything creating itself out of nothing, and God creating. Yes, either way it comes out of nothing, but it needs a creator to come into existence in the first place. And thinking out of our human paradigm mindest, God does not have a beginning or an end, He is self-existant.
And all the evidence points to a global flood. I'll send u a private message u links on this
HullSerb 1 year ago
@HullSerb Same old tired argument. Reductio ad absurdum. That's why I gave up debating creationist, as it serves no purpose. Besides, it's much more fun to pretend to be a creationist and make shit up to frustrate the reality based community.
haydenstag 1 year ago
This is utterly moronic. You only find liquid water at depths of about 1/2 mile or less. Any deeper than that and it is in the form of vapour because of the temperature. This nut is talking about an entire global ocean of liquid water at a depth of 10 miles. That's way deeper than parts of the crust itself.
The dynamics of that wouldn't be a crack in the crust...however dramatic...it would blow the entire darn surface of the earth into outer space.
alfapint 1 year ago
There is no such thing as 'scientific creation'
Science does not use the supernatural.
And there is no evidence for a global flood, no mud layer with all the fossils mixed together.
gregrutz 1 year ago
How the fuck does he know the mountains were only 9000 feet high, was he there?
gregrutz 1 year ago
Amazing the crap this guy can make up when no evidence is needed.
gregrutz 1 year ago
I honestly don't know if evos are right or wrong. The question I have for theistic christian evolutionists is this. If Macro Evolution is true, then why do I need Jesus? If I don't need my sins forgiven, then what the heck do I need Jesus for? If Macro is true, then why do I need my 'sins forgiven'? I'm 100% serious, just so you know.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
10 Billion nuclear bombs, but not enough to sink an Ark. OK, sure.
gregrutz 1 year ago
Scientific Creation?!? Science supports evolution and geology shows there was no global flood.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I'm not too sure where you get your info from. 71 percent of the earth's surface is under water as we speak. Of the remaining 29 percent, almost all is covered in water deposited sediments. I did say 'almost' all. Hmmmmm......sounds to me like the whole world was under water at one time or another.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Under water, yes, what does that have to do with a magical flood?
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Give me an example, please.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
I want to say that if there was a global flood and it was either all sea water or Fresh water the fish species that relied on either would be killed pretty quickly. This also means all predators would die of starvation. All rivers and seas would either be ALL salt or ALL fresh so we would not find any variation in water. Next fact is that all the plant can not survive submersion would die so we would not have any different species except those who could. Can you explain all these?
Snazzydog333 1 year ago
How about all of us evolutionists & creationists deal with Q&A instead of stupid insults & dumb arguments?
Q: How did plant life survive all this destruction or being drown for an extended period of time? Why aren't fossils all jumbled together instead of layered?
I'm a dumb creationist so I 'copied' this from haydenstag. I think it's a GREAT question. ANYONE GOT AN ANSWER?
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321
Also the fellow in this video claims the force of the water equaled ten billion hydrogen bombs - it peeled off layers of the earth and carved the Grand Canyon yet left his boat intact. How is it that a wooden ark withstood this? Granted, he may be talking off the cuff when it comes to the figures but the idea still raises some serious questions. Noah's Ark disaster shelters anyone?
Unless the answer is 'miracles' then of course we have no reason to take pause.
haydenstag 1 year ago
@haydenstag Hi. I don't have a problem with this. The force of the water would not continue once the ark was afloat & I'm sure you know how freakin huge it was, yes?
Also, you've got God protecting them & preventing the animals from eating each other. So clearly, without divine intervention, this obviously would've been impossible. Isn't that the point? Still waiting for someone to answer your excellent questions
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321
The size of the ark is big respective of our size. However, the sheer force needed to carve out a canyon and push holes through mountains would decimate even our steel constructed boats let alone a wooden box such as the ark.
If you are going to argue for the had of god protecting the boat or preventing animals from eating each other you might as well say god put a protective bubble around the plant life to allow them to survive the flood.
haydenstag 1 year ago
@haydenstag bubble around the plant life? Well, I guess that's one way God could've preserved it. I don't find it hard to believe that God 'could've' flooded the earth.
Nor do I see creationists saying that the water 'carved' out a canyon, unless they're referring to the water shooting up from below. Then that's fine. The boat would not have been hit by 'that' water.
Besides... don't you know? God posted indestructible impenetrable angels around the ark until it was afloat... : )
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@haydenstag Considering the miracle of "divine protection". Would it not have been simpler just to wack the wicked? Supposededly this is an omnipotent deity? SInce animals, and certainly plants can't sin against god, why not just poof all humans (minus Noah et al, of course) back into dust? What, Moses got his plagues, but Noah got stiffed? Was Jevoah waiting to "level up". What achievement was unlocked with this many kills?
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman
I agree with you 100%. The story makes no sense in this way (among others). But I think at level 10 Yahweh gets cloudkill and since he was still only around level 5 at this time the best he could muster was conjure water.
haydenstag 1 year ago
@haydenstag So if Jesus could raise the dead? LEVEL 80 CLERIC! I'll settle for the water into wine and loaves and fishes bit. Makes trips shopping that much shorter, neh?
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@haydenstag Plant life? It just grew back after flood, just like if you destory a piece of land now, and then expose it to favourable conditions, such as sunlight and rain, the same plants will grow back again. That's just logic
As for the animals eating each other, Noah built rooms in the ark, so they would not have eaten each other.
So what's your next objection?
HullSerb 1 year ago
@HullSerb You are comparing razing a lot of land to the mythical destruction of Earth - that's almost comical. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? This mythical flood had water pressure powerful enough to carve mountains, cause continental drift, extinguish lifeforms globally, and turn living creatures into fossils - yet it doesn't annihilate plant life or shatter the laughable 'design' of the ark.
I know the truth behind the animals, God put them into hibernation.
haydenstag 1 year ago
@HullSerb The plant life question. Always that, till you look at what the geological and fossil record says and consider the meaning. The chemical processes involved in all these formations directly contradict a global flood per a literal reading of Genesis. Local flood over much time? Sure. The data supports that. A global 1 year flood that created the entire fossil record and sedimentry deposits? No effing way.
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago
@HullSerb " It just grew back after flood"
HOW!? all the seeds would have drowned! DUH! There wouldn't be ANY seeds to germinate save for possibly coconuts or mangroves
"That's just logic"
no, it makes no fucking sense whatsoever
"so they would not have eaten each other"
and after they got off the boat? what then!? and HOW did the marsupials get back to NZ and australia?
"what's your next objection?"
how did 8 people care for that many animals in the dark? and clean the waste?
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
@Lightmane321 Hello friend. Animals didn't eat other animals until after the flood.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 why did you just tell me this?
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Hello. I'm sorry. I meant the comment to go to haydenstag.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 What flood? And you can't even get your own bible facts right, animal didn't eat animals until the first SIN. the apple, talking snake thing.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Actually, meat wasn't eaten at all until AFTER the flood.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 There is no evidence for what you claim.
There is no evodence for a global flood, geologists found that out over 200 years ago.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Hello friend. Plants would survive from seeds and roots. There are many, many fossil beds around the world which show fossils jumbled together. These are called 'out of place fossils."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hello friend. Thanks for the comment. I do see the pattern. We find fossils in the same order they would be in if there was a flood.......sea life at the bottom for the most part and then land creatures above. To let the truth be known, we find many, many places around the world where different varieties of creatures are mixed together including dinosaurs bones in the same layers as human bones. Unfortunately, you don't hear about that very often.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Look again. Floods don't sort fossils. Floods don't make distinct layers of different kinds of rock. We don't find trilobite fossils with dinosaur fossils, We don't find bunny fossils mixed with dinosaur fossils. We don't find humans with dinosaurs. There was no global flood, ask the Chinese, they didn't die in a flood.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Actually we do find dinos and humans together all over the place. I have an interesting fossil in my Tyndall stone fireplace. This stone is supposed to be 450 million years old, yet I have egg shell in it.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 You can win a Nobel prize, show the world where these human and dinosaur fossils are mixed together.
Creationist would have proven evolution wrong a long time ago is such fossils existed, but they fail.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Google it my friend. Human footprints have been found alongside dino footprints also.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 No, they even figured out what dinosaurs made the ''human'' footprints. Debunked. All creationist crap has been debunked. Keep trying.
Tell me why dinosaurs stopped making fossils 65 million years ago.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hello my friend. Dinosaurs made the 'human' footprints? Were these dinosaurs wearing human Halloween costumes? The dinosaurs died 4500 years ago along with everything else in the fossil record. The deluge of Noah can't be compared to any flood we see in modern times.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 ''really a delugo of inimaginable size'' WOW
All that and not leave a trace of evidence, amazing!!!!!
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Noah's flood was really a deluge of unimaginable size. The water contained under the earth's crust was brought to the surface. The face of the earth we see today is completely different.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 In the northern USA, all the land is shaped by glaciers, from about 10,000 years ago. How does that fit in your story.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hey friend. Here is something interesting for you regarding the Chinese......the Chinese word for boat (chuan) is the combination of 2 words........8 + mouth. 8 people were saved on that ark. Sounds to me like the Chinese remember the deluge of Noah.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 The Chinese remember the last 10,000 years, and lots of river floods. And they didn't die in a flood. Unbroken history, get it?
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz My friend....many human remains have been found with dinosaur remains. We find human remains and human artifacts in coal too. Any evidence which contradicts the geologic column order is usually 'covered up'.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
Good thing they cover it up! Or you could prove evolution wrong.
Too bad Creationists don't dig fossils!
IDiots.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I didn't say anything about evolution. Science proves micro-evolution is occuring, but macro-evolution has no science to back it. Completely faith based. By the way, I dig fossils every year. Last summer in Waterton Park I found 3 small tree stumps in a big boulder with marine shells. Explain that one.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Glad you accept m. Evolution happens. It was proven 150 years ago. All science supports Evolution, faith is for religion which is made up.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hello friend. I accept micro-evolution....not macro-evolution. Cats may vary in colour and size but they will always be cats. Actually, the Book of Genesis describes micro-evolution......"after its kind."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Cats make cats. They always will, you can't grow out of your ancestry.
Apes make apes.
That is why humans are still apes.
and all apes are still primates.
and all primates are still mammals
and all mammals are still tetrapods.
Do you still have 4 limbs?
Watch Dogs don't make non dogs on my home page.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Apes make apes.....correct! Humans are still apes? I don't think so my friend. Remember Genesis says that "God created each creature after its own kind." We are not the ape kind. If we were apes we should be able to mate with them and produce offspring. We can't. No, I didn't try!
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Are you a tetrapod? [4 limbs]
Are you a mammal?
We are a species of ape, so are chimps. Species can't interbreed, by definition of species.
Watch Dogs don't make non dogs on my home page.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz No, but I enjoy playing Tetris. Does that count? ; )
Seriously, if Dogs will NEVER make non-dogs, then how will dogs EVER evolve into a non-dog (ie: Macro Evolution)???
You believe everything evolved from a protein molecule that formed in a primordial slime. Question... HOW?
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Dogs will never make non dogs. You can't grow out of you ancestory.
That is why humans are still apes.
and all apes are still primates
and all primate are still mammals
and all mammals are still tetrapods.
Do you have four limbs?
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I already read this post of yours. That didn't answer my question, otherwise I wouldn't of asked it. How then will Dogs ever evolve into anything other then dogs? If you say they won't because they can't, then you're a creationist. That's what creationists say. That's micro evolution.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 You don't understand how evolution works. It does not say dogs will ever be anything but a dog. If they evolve wings they won't be birds, they will still be dogs with wings.
Birds are still dinosaurs! Humans are still mammals
Watch turns out we really did come from monkeys
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Since you keep answering my question glibly, let me just say then that you're a creationist, for you've admitted twice now that dogs will ALWAYS be dogs. That's exactly what creationists teach. Welcome to the club. Good to have you. Hope we humans get wings one day too. Oh and evos don't teach that we 'came from monkeys'. Get your facts straight.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 NO , dumb shit. You don't get it.
Humans are humans, but they are still primates, still apes, still mammals.
We are still monkeys, we didn't come from them.
Read a science book ID-iot.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz why is it that when people don't like what the other guy is saying, they always resort to bullshit tactics like 'No, dumb shit' or 'read a science book ID-iot'
Are you trying to compensate for something you're lacking?
You said that dogs will never evolve into non-dogs because they can't. So you agree with creationists. Welcome to the club.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 NO, dumb shit. Just because you are too stupid to understand evolution does not mean I agree with creationists.
Evolution says you can't grow out of your ancestry.
A wolf will alway be a canine, so dogs will alway be canine.
Humans will always be apes.
Apes will always be primates.
Creationists will alway be stupid, brainwashed IDiots.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz but everything evolved from a protein molecule, right? just checking.
You said 'Creationists will alway be stupid, brainwashed IDiots.'
Well.... it still SOUNDS like you're a creationist... I'm just sayin'
Lightmane321 1 year ago
I've had evos that were easy to debate, but this guy takes the cake. ; )
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 You have no debate, you are too stupid to debate.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Just wanted to let 'cha know that your incessant need to refer to others as stupid & idiots only shows what you really are.
You say dogs can only give birth to dogs & can't ever evolve into a non-dog
Creationists say that dogs can only give birth to dogs & can't ever evolve into a non-dog
You said that we came from monkeys & then turned right around & said that we didn't.
What did you want to call me again? I just keep showing what you're saying.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Learn what evolution is and you won't sound so silly.
We didn't come from monkeys, we are classified as apes/ monkey/ primate/mammal/etc.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 NO i am not a creationist. Creationist are brainwashed.
go read you outdated book about the flat earth.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz You said, and I quote, "watch turns out we really did COME FROM monkeys" Then you just now said, & I quote, "we DIDN'T COME from them"
I'm sorry... did you call 'me', an ID-iot? Just checking
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321
''turns out we did come from monkeys'' is a title to a video, not a fact.
Fuck YOU>
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz so you don't agree with it then? you don't agree that we 'came from monkeys' but you wanted me to watch a video called 'we came from monkeys' why?
to show me that we did come from monkeys, or that we didn't?
If there's anything I can do to 'get down' to your level of communication, just let me know.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 I will type slow so you will understand.
You missed the point of the video.
We did not evolve from modern monkeys, evolution is not a ladder.
Humans, chimps and modern monkeys came from a branch on the tree of life, called 'old world monkey'
All humans are 'Great Apes'
all apes are classified as monkeys
all monkeys are still primates
all primates are still mammals
all mammals are still tetrapods.
So YES we are apes/monkey/tetrapods.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Thank you SO MUCH for typing SLOWER. That really helped. Glad you clarified everything.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
"I" won't sound silly? OK... got it. ; )
Lightmane321 1 year ago
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gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Science supports micro-evolution, not macro-evolution. Life didn't come from a single cell. All life was put here in it's complete and whole state.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Science supports Evolution.
There is no mic and mac. Life evolved over Billions of years.
99% of all species that ever lived on the earth are extinct.
Those fossils you found are of animals and plants the don't exist today, they evolved into modern species.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Science has also seen macro evolution happen.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Really? Where?
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Hi John. Thanks for that. Tell me something. Can you overcome the arguments of an evolutionist who says that science backs evolution 100% with FACTS & backs creationism with 0% evidence? Evos say that creationists are pseudo-scientists who lie & distort the truth because they have an agenda. I have a friend who's looking to see if there's anyone out there who can beat him with scientific data that proves he's wrong. Would that be you?
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Hello friend. Science only backs micro-evolution, not macro-evolution. Look at Darwin's finches. Some had small beaks and some had larger beaks. They were all still finches. Proof of variation within each 'kind' of creature. Doesn't prove "Goo to you" or "monkey to man". That never happened. Remember one thing.....we are dealing with people who deny their Creator.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 No. Most scientists are evolutionists & say that you're completely wrong. They say that science backs macro 100%. I'm asking if you can show scientific evidence that proves that macro is wrong. Many evolutionists are also christian, so you're wrong again in saying that they deny their creator. No, they don't. Ken Miller is a devoted Catholic as one example.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
Now. Can you defeat my evolutionist friend in a debate by providing him scientific evidence that he won't easily be able to overcome or not? So far, he's destroyed every creationist that's argued with him. Do you have scientific data to back up your claims or should I look elsewhere to find someone who can defeat him & thus convert him? Thanks
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Here is a question for your evolutionist friend who 'destroys' creationists......Name ONE message which DID NOT come from a mind?
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Ken Miller needs to read his bible if he is a Catholic. You can't believe in evolution and the bible at the same time.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 I'm sorry I bothered talking to you. Your arguments are lame. You've failed to answer my main question. I will look to see if there's any creationist scientist out there who has sound arguments that clearly refute macro evolution. All theistic evolutionists who are christian believe in evolution & the bible.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 Hello again friend. I have a very interesting fossil digging story I experienced many years ago. I don't have enough room here to tell the story. If you are interested I can send you a message describing what happened.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 The fossils are jumbled together.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Wrong, there are no bunny fossils buried with the dinosaurs, not one. Read a science book before you say any more stupid shit.
gregrutz 1 year ago
All DNA is filled with vast amounts of information and messages. Question.....name ONE message which DID NOT come from a mind?
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Yawn. Trying to change the subject. That's how I know that you're just parroting what you've been told. The point of having a brain, a mind, is the using of it . Are you prepared to discuss the subject matter at hand: the evidence in the Earth's Crust that directly contradicts the Genesis Flood? Yes or No?
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
Messages? So you think DNA is like a fortune cookie? FYI it doesn't contain 'information' and it's not a 'code'. Metaphor and analogy.
haydenstag 1 year ago
2 Peter 3 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they WILLING ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
Of course there was! Archeology PROVES this!
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
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@kiwichristian2009 Was there a Global Flood? Short answer? Yes. Next question please. 5 For this they WILLING ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
Was there a Global Flood? Short answer? NO. Next question please.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman Yes, a flood made the mountains. Psalm 104.....6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment; The waters were standing above the mountains. 7 At Your rebuke they fled, At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away. 8 The mountains rose; the valleys sank down To the place which You established for them. But, the biblical flood was no ordinary flood. It came with crust and mantle crushing trauma. Genesis 7:11....... "the fountains of the great deep were opened up."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Thank you for standing for the truth,it is heartbreaking to see all those who have be come spiritually insane,but God nailed their thoughts and words just as He said it would be.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Christ says He knocks on our doors.....Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
WTF is 'scientific creation' ?
What Flood?
A Flood made mountains?
The Coconino Sandstone in the Grand Canyon is 300 feet of desert, wind blown sand.
gregrutz 1 year ago
Makes perfect sense to anyone not brainwashed from birth by humanistic proponents of the LIE of evolution. It takes too much FAITH to believe everything in the universe, our galaxy, our solar system, our Earth and moon ALL HAPPENED BY SHEER ACCIDENT! Somebody had to DESIGN IT.
4freespeech 2 years ago
@4freespeech This video doesn't make sense to anyone that has read a science book. A Geology book would do. One on plate tectonics would work.
No one says anything happened by sheer accident.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@4freespeech I agree 100 percent! Romans 1: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@4freespeech Amen. Everything and every one has a creator. Ok, maybe there WAS a "big bang", what caused that big bang? Answer: Jesus Christ! There has never been any evidence proven to support evolution. At the same time, no evidence has ever disproven anything in the Word Of God.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 Proof of evolution: MSU Lenski LTEE(Among 27k other papers and examples freely available thru AAAS). Falsification of a literal reading of the bible: The Earth itself. Even cursory examination of the rock layers shows this.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009
You are too funny. Keep up the trolling in the name of gawd.
haydenstag 1 year ago
@4freespeech What does evolution, a biological science, have to do with geology in any way, shape, or form? Answer: NOTHING. It is what it is regardless of what you might wish. Over 300 feet of desert salt in Texas and 3100 feet under Michigan. No flood. No way.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
There are so many things wrong with this video I don't even know where to start.
goonodeath 2 years ago 2
71 percent of the earth's surface is currently under water. 75% of the remaining 29 percent is covered in water deposited sediments which are riddled with fossils. Sounds like a global flood to me.
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
No, no it really doesn't.
goonodeath 2 years ago
The earth is covered with distinct layers of different kinds of rock in random order, with different fossils in each layer. Floods don't do that.
Stay in school, read a science book.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz The only rocks Noah's flood would have produced are the sedimentary layers which are water deposits. Some deposits are several miles thick. Most of the earth is covered in sediments.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
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@johnthreesixteen316
One more time, I will type slow for you>>>>>
The earth is covered with DISTINCT Layers of DIFFERENT kinds of rock in random order.
FLOODS DON'T DO THAT !
gregrutz 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 You don't understand do you? A great many of these seidments are of aeolian origin. The existance of many kinds of carbonate, caliches, and anhydrate formations specifically preclude a global flood.Then you start looking at details and see just how many more things show that a global flood never did happen. Sorry, just cold hard science.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman I don't think it would be possible for 'wind' based sediments to bury billions of creatures so rapidly as to preserve them like we see in the fossil record.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Woosh! That's the sound of the argument going right over your head. I did not say "ALL", I said many. Indeed, you can find many places where these dryland deposits are overlain with maritime sediments. My hometown of Detroit is one place where you can see this same pattern.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman Hello friend. Woosh! That's funny! Nothing went over my head. I don't think you will find too many fossils in anything other that water born sediments. A global flood is the only thing which can account for the massive amount of fossils around this world.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Ashfall Fossil Beds State Historical Park, Royal Nebraska. La Brea and McKittrick Tarpits. Like I said Whoosh! And this is not entirely about fossils. It's about the sedimentary deposits and the conditions in which they form.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman That is a small bit of the whole picture. 99 percent of our fossils come from sedimentary rock.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Agreed that it's a small part. However, fossils such as the classic protoceratops vs velociraptor from Mongolia was found in collasped dune deposits. Oviraptors found hunched over her clutch of eggs. But why the preoccupation with fossils? They are important as far as evolution goes, but have nothing to do with modern geology. And again, it's the composition of the sediments themselves that is key.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@gregrutz You are right. Any flood we have experienced won't do that. The flood of Noah was something completely different to anything we have ever seen. It was a worldwide deluge which completely erased the face of the earth. New continents and mountain ranges came as a result.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
You have never been to the Grand Canyon have you.
21 distinct layers of different kinds of rock, 5000 feet deep. Some from deserts, 350 feet of wind blown sand, now sandstone. With desert animal fossils in it.
Google Coconino Sandstone.
FLoods don't do that.
gregrutz 1 year ago
Centre for pretending bronze aged story book is true, is nothing to do with science!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago 3
That's amazing to see how all those who talk sense are systematically rated negatively.
In this type of thread, being rated negatively is a proof of intelligence and clear-sightedness.
hunchbacked 2 years ago
The water came from the fountains of the deep as the bible states. Michael Wysession, a seismologist, found a massive water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least as big as the Arctic Ocean in the earths mantle. This is just more evidence that the word of God is true.
IamTruth21 3 years ago
How do you figure that proves this true? According to this,the waters were emptied,so obviously they weren't if there is an underground ocean beneath Asia. Did God decide to magically create an Ocean sized pocket under Asia after the flood?
Aaron518 3 years ago
The creationists don't know what to invent to justify their claims.
Yes, there is water inside the earth's structure, but to say that this water has spurted out 5000 years ago to completely recover th earth as high as the top of mountains is a completely ridiclulous idea.
hunchbacked 2 years ago
A convenient oversimplification to suit your needs. There is not a 100% liquid reservoir in the mantle. The rocks in this chunk of Asia are just saturated with water.
This is utterly different from what the hydroplate theory states.
p0rtaccio 2 years ago
Noah's crappy wooden boat withstood all of this? How did plant life survive all this destruction or being drown for an extended period of time? Why aren't fossils all jumbled together instead of layered?
haydenstag 3 years ago
Because that is what the devil wants you to believe. Haha just kidding. Its because these people were wrong, there was never a global flood, they just want to believe that jesus loves them.
goonodeath 2 years ago
@haydenstag Yes it did, and it has been found in turkey.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009
Oh yeah, bigfoot and Elvis were inside it too.
haydenstag 1 year ago
Oh my sides. Please...stop...
haydenstag 3 years ago
Just silly. Water that shoots up 20 miles (32 kilometers) into the athmosphere at the velocity described would just evaporate into space and not come back to earth to cover the planet. And continental drift did not happen as described in this dumb ass video.
Meskiagkasher 3 years ago
If a 10 km thick continent is 2.7 times as dense as water it will shoot this water from the vents 27 km up, or 17 km above the earth. Since the kinetic energy at the earth's surface of this jet will be equal to the GPE at 17 km, solving for velocity gives 2080 km/hr. But it will turn to steam before this happens and will expand 850X in volume. Since it is constrained in a vent it's velocity will increase 850X, 40X the escape velocity of earth. It leaves earth as steam and never comes back.
DiggityDogg56 3 years ago
99.9% of all species on earth are extinct. so if they all lives here before the flood that would have to be a massive amt of animals covering everything. probably enought o cover the earth 2 times over. even if all of these animals existed in the 6000 yrs u claim the earth existed for it would be littered with so many animals that look almost the same to completely different. too many animals for earth to be that young. its a very good theory, now your talking like someone who doesnt read bible
ragnar336 3 years ago
I have read so many comment and videos posted by people who don't believe in God (atheist and evolutionists) and they all make fun and call names of those who do believe. It makes me certain there is a spiritual element going on because of the way they treat others.
trooperdog99 4 years ago 2
well, and this is NOT directed towards all creationists, the reason y we usually resort to insuts is because of all the lies, or just the plain ignorance of peeps, especially if they go "its only a thoery", which is just so stupid it isnt funny
lordbyrne 3 years ago
True. Always remember, that no matter how many people mock at you, the reward will get even bigger. Sustain your beliefs. God bless.
Quinctius 3 years ago 2
That's beautiful and religious, so keep it out of a video that's claiming (wrongly) to be scientific.
AuthenticPunkDance 3 years ago
That is so true.
aladon1965 3 years ago
aladon aren't you pending approval?
hypocrite!
McMonster65 3 years ago
You are absolutely correct about that. They seem extremely defensive if anyone has the gall to challenge their evolution theory. The bible describes them quite well in saying "they were willfully ignorant" of the truth and only "the fool believes there is no God". I feel sorry for them. One day they will all know the truth. Hopefully it will come before they take their last breath on earth because then it will be too late for them.
DT4FBB 3 years ago
Do you really believe what you are saying, DT4FBB?
I'm a christian myself, but not a fundamentalist.
Fundamentalists are running after chimeras.
Making science with religion is a total heresy, a pure nonsense.
Why are American christians so deluded?
Stop calling yourselves born again christians, you are born again fundamentalists instead.
hunchbacked 2 years ago 6
The only thing I regret about god being real is I won't be able to brag about how you were wrong after we die. Oh well, I'm just happy that I live my life for me, and not for Jesus.
goonodeath 2 years ago
I try to restrain from calling creationists idiots, but do you realize that what you promote is so extravagant that it leads people to treat you that way?
When people see a clown, they automatically laugh, that's the effect you make to them.
I have seen so many outright lies from creationists, so much dishonesty, that it's hard to feel any respect for them.
I know you are sincere in your faith, but you are very blind too; I try to open your eyes, for your own good.
hunchbacked 2 years ago 7
why this is retarded
How was the water contained? Rock, at least the rock which makes up the earth's crust, doesn't float. The water would have been forced to the surface long before Noah's time, or Adam's time for that matter.
Even a mile deep, the earth is boiling hot, and thus the reservoir of water would be superheated. Further heat would be added by the energy of the water falling from above the atmosphere. As with the vapor canopy model, Noah would have been poached.
badmudda 4 years ago
any theory a creationist comes up with,WILL have an explaination at talkorigins(dot)com
badmudda 4 years ago
How was the water contained?
Do you need to believe that God created the earth (with this subterranean water bellow the crust) in order for the hydro plate theory to hold any water(pun intended).Short answer would be yes. If this was how it was original created it would also prevent friction between the earths crust and the mantel(with the water acting as lucubration) meaning little if any heat or magma until the breaking up of the crust or "fountains of the great deep".
ThisJustAwsome1 3 years ago
Maybe Extraterrestrials told Noah to build an ark but he thought that it was God. Then the Extraterrestrials erected a force field around the ark so that it wouldn't break apart and transported water into the ark for all of the animals.
Roger5462 4 years ago
That's probably along the lines of what the people who made fun of Noah said. Jesus said 'As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man.
trooperdog99 4 years ago
The Skeptic's Dictionary said that the "Noah's Ark Documentary" was just a hoax.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 4 years ago
Since retiring from the military in 1980, Dr. Brown has been the Director of the Center for Scientific Creation and has worked full time in research, writing, and speaking on origins. My two cents: I am not sure how any of this makes Walt an authority in geology. h t t p : / / w w w . creationscience . com / onlinebook /
messiahjonz 4 years ago