I noticed that. =/ It seems that whoever ordered the removing of the College Conspiracy video doesn't want people to know the harsh truth about our notoriously terrible college system.
I wish that documentary would have came out a decade ago, it would have been very helpful. it's amazing the world we live in that we need to place ourselves in debt in order to succeed in life. in my opinion, college is only required for those who want to practice medicine.
I agree how the silly corporatist policies enforced by employers need to be reformed. But at the moment, a bachelors degree is absolutely imperative for decent employment.
It all depends.. Remember, you do not always have to get employed by someone..
Bottom line, you HAVE to get outside learning and creativity outside of the school system and you must have an alternative financial backup plan which means...
No liabilities and for heavens sakes some investments or at least savings.
EVERYONE has to go to college before they can start a working career. 50 years ago you could get a great job straight out of college. Now it's made so you have to go to both high school AND college before an employer will even consider you.
Oh just deal with the crappy neglectful system. No one should argue and fight against it. BULLSH*T! Why in the world are these employers should do that? Are they insane?
Remember how the use to deny people in their businesses if they were "colored" and how we found out it was BULLSH*T and we fought against it!
Why should we all even do this? Let us all seek an alternative method of education and create our own companies that hire the alternative system of learning!
Well those "salaries" were much higher in REAL value many years and decades ago yet tuition costs were a lot lower... I mean seriously why should those tuition prices rise while the service gets poorer?
You tell me that they have to pay those "bloated" salaries. For what? Now it seems you are even begining to realize how flawed this system really is. This is problem. They monopolize the entire education system and expect us to deal with crap service. Time to ditch it!
That's a load of crap. Companies are cutting costs, somebody with some experience (in a particular job they are applying for) has more of a chance getting a job with a low salary requirement opposed to somebody with a bachelors, no experience and a higher salary requirement due to their debt obligations or what have you.
People don't realize that there is actually a lot you could without going to college. For example if you want to own a restaurant don't go to school for that. You will learn and attain a lot more by working in one.
@youngdones the problem is, a degree isn't a guarantee. So a lot of grads end up working menial minimum wage jobs despite their nice, shiny, new and overpriced degree. I know a girl who has a masters degree and works at coffee bean. I know a guy who has a BA and works at Barnes and noble. I know a guy that never went to college and he makes 130k annually working at discount tire. College is bullshit.
@Cyrus992 People with only high school diplomas are frowned upon by much of society. Even if they have extremely well-paying jobs. You are seen as less-intelligent and lower class.
Okay, after all the talent, support from many, & imagination I have. do people have to push me around just because I dont have a piece of paper? What is the point of all of this?
People like you are what is concerning our society. You just accept the norms of this world & hardly question the flaws in our society
There was a time where people used to push people around when they were "colored" or African-American. Just like the whole "college label," it is a sham too
@Cyrus992 Regardless of what you think about the flaws in our society, the fact of the matter is that most employers demand that you have at least a bachelors degree from a university before they consider hiring you. In many cases a BA isn't enough and now you need a masters or doctorate in order to get a job. Otherwise you'll be forced to work menial blue-collar jobs making minimum wage for the rest of your life.
Well if you are right (This does apply to some careers,) we all need to create a SERIOUS and MAJOR reform movement against the system. Let us all create our own education alternative, ditch the system and let this corruption die and collapse!
Remember the days of segregation and how unncessary it was? Boycotts were made and real changes were done. Since many like me have the education and imagination but do not have the "label," we DESERVE to be treated better!
I am a 3rd year undergrad studying business, I was going to later get an MBA degree but I decided not to immediately. I would however go to culinary school and run a small pastry business.
It may seem upside down and unfair, but when people spend their money on something or somebody they want to know they are getting their money's worth. If you do your research online you can find symptoms cures and diagnostic procedures, but even if you were allowed to use that knowledge by law, people would be hessitant to pay for your advice.
I believe there is something called resume inflation, that trend will probably let up with lower unemployment and as baby boomers retire.
60 years ago a person could get a great job straight out of high school. Today, a BA is the new minimum required benchmark for employment. Otherwise you'll be working menial minimum-wage jobs for the rest of your life.
@youngdones Actually, last year in april McDonalds was hiring, and were about 40,000 applicants. Out of the 40,000, McDonalds only hired people with a BA. That's what a BA will get you these days.
We need to remove the unncessary requirements & standards limiting the fliexibility we can pursue to acheive our dreams & drive up costs
We need to ditch the system that makes education stressful through huge lecture classes, constant note taking, memorizing useless facts & long work
We need to judge people's education by how the suceed in the future & what they do in the real world instead of useless degrees & grades. SUBSCRIBE
Kinda reminds me of this analogy: If you buy beer at a store a day after your 21st birthday and they ask you for your ID and you don't have it because you never bothered getting, don't go blaming the DMV about it.
I'm over trying to discuss this subject with you. You haven't really supported your views all too well (thought there was like, one point I did agree with) so yeah. What garbage LOL.
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You are part of the reason the system is flawed. When you go to college it is not to get a piece of paper: what you are getting is the proof that you are knowledgable. For you, your degree would be the certainty that employers would recognize your ability to creatively plan cities. You haven't gone to college and look where you are: sitting on your ass ranting by yourself. Instead, you could be going to an affordable, creative college and setting yourself up for happiness. I'm not trying to be
@Cyrus992 Good point, but some employment requires a degree in order to promote when time and experience play through. Perfect examples would be anything in supervision/civil servant positions. Education--yes, but is college for EVERYONE---NO.
It won't happen. Sorry but the world is heading towards a rich and poor society so expect the poor to be either riding the bus or walking while the rich get to drive.
It really is true that people can do things without all the arbitrary regulation and bullshit. The government rules hold people down.
Why is it necessary to go to college for six or seven years to get a masters in teaching just to teach algebra to some teenagers? You could have almost any highschool graduate who has done advanced math do that. Why the waste of time and money going to college?
There is so much shit like that, it is so fucking ridiculous!
@undeadpresident LOL! Way to exaggerate! All you need is a Bachelors and a teaching certificate to teach highschool; a master's is for teaching college level courses. It's odd how people get so mad about how it's a "waste of time and money" to be WHAT THEY WANT TO BE! No one's forcing you to be a doctor or to start your own business.
But then again, I'm not surprised by your answer. I'm sure you love being the third keyholder of your local Taco Bell. LOL!
@Cyrus992 It's funny how undead president is focuses on only the teaching career. Some people want to be artists (meaning their degress mean absolutely nothing) but if they aren't skilled, they don't get clients or potential careers (in TV).
If this is about money, then I can understand why college isn't very economical. I think THAT'S what you should be ranting about--college being expensive; NOT because you think it's pointless. If you think you're "open-minded" btw, you are far from it.
@Cyrus992 I thought your video was a discussion about the documentary "College Conspiracy: Amazing or Flawed?" Too bad it was all one-sided. I am a film student... meaning my degree is worthless (I use this account for things that are too "unprofessional" to be done on my main one LOL). College was affordable for me and thanks to my college fund, all I got to pay for was books and parking.
I'm currently interning at Warner Brothers and thanks to the connections I've made, I got the job.
@Cyrus992 Well, I officially start in January, but whatever. If it weren't for school, it would have taken me much longer to get my foot through the door, especially because in my industry it's not only about skill, but who you know. Those connections I made in my classes were valuable.
I'm disappointed there was no real discussion on the documentary here, and I admit I was a total ass myself. I don't know what you choose to do with your life, but as long as you love doing it, that's great.
Look I understand it benefits some, but for many the system and the process is very stressful and neglecting, Due to the lmited fliexibility with so many regulations and standards, people HAVE TO pursue college because it is required to get a degree in some fields.
We want people to be educated, but has to be more fliexibility in how people want to learn instead being saddled by unnecessary requirements and a teaching style that many find tiresome and endless.
"Due to the lmited fliexibility with so many regulations and standards, people HAVE TO pursue college because it is required to get a degree in some fields."
Sounds like your problem isn't about colleges then. From that statement, you just make college sound like an inconvenient requirement for certain jobs. You should be getting mad at the jobs for asking for a degree instead of whining about how college is a waste of time.
Please do some research into the NIA before you go public claiming you wish you were part of a video that is used to attract victims into a stock pump and dump scam. The NIA video which you refer to has many valid points but it was designed with alterior motives and some of the facts are outright misleading and false. I like your passion however. Best of luck.
There are a lot of intelligent people who are successful without college degrees as well. The documentary mentions them, but not really glorifies them... unless they are farmers. LOL. There are pros and cons for everything, but this documentary spatted bullcrap that idiots absorb as FACT, not realizing that at the very end, it was a giant advertisement for the NIA, which uses it's own sources are "reliable" sources.
Conspiracy theories are garbage, which is why hippies and hobos believe them.
It disregards state colleges that don't have as high tuition. Also, it talks about inflation, which is what the whole documentary is focused about: NOT necessarily college, but INFLATION! Some jobs REQUIRE a degree to even be qualified!
Also, I don't know about you guys, but I want a physician with a DOCTORATE doing surgury and prescribing me medicine then some moron who learned crap from wikipedia, since the documentary recommends internet training.
EVERYONE who is a music, theatre, and film major knows their degrees are nothing more than a piece of paper. They go to school for safe critique, to make connections with people, and build a portfolio and resume. They don't need a degree to get into the creative industries because those companies don't care if you've got a degree or not--they look at your SKILLS AND TALENT.
The documentary is garbage because it mostly talks about colleges with very high tuition fees (over $25,000 a year).
@supermonet True, but there are still a minority of college students like me who are serious at school and plan to go on to a graduate degree, whilst those who come to party usually leave after they get their bachelor's and thus ensure that their lavish lifestyles will be backed by their parents. I feel that this new mentality of the "party" college-goer is making bachelor's degrees worthless, whilst those who are serious about school must prove that by going on and at least getting a master's.
The only reason why teens out of high school go to a university, is to party, party, party, and meet new friends. But its pretty heavy price to pay just for that. what a shame.
for anyone who cares, this is my theory: 1) Yes, worthless degrees do exist 2) if you think your smart enough to go to school, wouldn't you invest half a day to search the job market to see what kind of chance you have of getting a job when you graduate first? 3) if you have a passion for what you go to school for and you get something of value (skill) that's in demand then paying back tuition shouldn't be that difficult. yes, I have been to college twice
They don't finish, therefore do not qualify for a job, and then are left with a financial burden. They put themselves into that situation. No one else. . .
1) Don't bash people because you went to college and got a worthless degree. No one send you to school with a gun to your head.
2) Don't blame employers' prerequisites just because you are not qualified.
I am on the fence on this whole college BS. I agree that in certain conditions it is usless, but can also say that there are times where it is in fact beneficial. Those that are "hundereds of thousands of dollars" in debt are all the jack wagons that go away to school and party hard.
i would have learned more if i didn't go to college when it comes to computer science, and then go into mobile development applications.. how? learning on your own, you can get there, take software certifications which don't require college degrees to take, and which are very valuable when looking for a job. Instead i took courses in humanities, psychology along with the degree, which i never found the point.. hope this helps.
Yeah! I see what you mean. Yet a lot of people are brainwashed to believe that a college degree will always make you more intelligent and deliver you a higher salary.
The truth is if we learn by doing more exciting group projects, going more interactive with the class, and working on concepts that help us a lot other than long lecture classes and cramming up for things that conflicts us minds, we most certainly do much better.
what do you think of Mike Reynolds' earthship concept? I'm in Florida and think it would be huge here. Regulations and codes prohibit them from building.
How many college drop outs do you know are doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, etc... ? You should consider switching from an "uncollege movement" to an anti inflation movement so people who need a college degree to pursue a certain career can afford it.
College is a scam so don't go, you can become a skilled surgeon via internet training, look at the articles NIA wrote since they're reliable sources, lol farmers, buy silver, ZOMG INFLATION, and Join NIA you SHEEP!
It was a giant advertisement at the end. It was alright at first, but then to turned to crap toward the end.
@MrSupernova111 No it's not. I went to a state university. College is a pyramid scheme with some most rude and two-faced professors ever. Not worth it unless you are great at math and can manage to learn engineering or accounting.
Dude. National Inflation Association (the makers of that video) is a 'pump and dump' scam. Google it. They gain the trust of suckers like you, get you to go to their website, buy their penny stock recommendations, drive the price of those stocks, then they sell them and screw you. Hey, BTW. I just won the lottery and need a checking account to deposit it into. Can you give me your account number? (i.e. you're not intelligent which is why your SAT score sucks.)
@Cyrus992 Cyrus, I hope you are just messing with me because now I'm starting to just feel bad. I don't want your account number. You seem like a nice kid, so here's a rule, or algorithm, to follow in life: 1) identify what is conservative (e.g. Tea Party, libertarian, Republican, Evangelical, etc.) and 2) stay far away from it. By definition, conservative believe the individual (i.e. themselves) is more important than anything else (i.e. you). They will rob you blind and think you deserve it.
I am sorry, one by one please. Did I tell you I am a "Tea Party, libertarian, Republican, Evangelical?" I dont think I did. I just told you I do not enjoy many actions the Koch Brothers are doing.
I think it's a wonderful thing that you have so much faith in young people like ourselves and the people coming up behind us. I feel the same way that you do and I hope that we can grow into a society that isn't based on consumerism, gas guzzling transportation, etc. Good for you to bring these ideas to the forefront and start educating your peers!
Why it is a pleasure hearing from people like you.
I will try to remain optomistic and continue to spread these ideas. Please help me if you can
Somehow however many of the people in their late teens early 20s cannot wake up and be alerted to what is going on.. Many just try to ignore me as much as they can and just continue to drive around, go out, consume so much gasoline, and be in social isolation within their friends because we lack neighborhood town centers to socialize
The documentary has some good points, college tuition is spiraling out of control and a lot of students don't have the means to pay them. THAT SAID, many employers today grew up at the peak of the industrial age and still consider a bachelors to be worth something. Many jobs today won't even look at a persons resume unless they have this supposedly "worthless" piece of paper. The key to success has and always will be networking, experience and intelligence
The College Conspiracy video is flawed and blissfully disregards major concerns. I feel sorry for you. You seem to think that you should be allowed every caprice...that you shouldn't have to be "bogged down" by the academic system's structure. Do you think employers will happily espouse your worldview? Highly doubtful. You cannot neglect demands in academia; you cannot neglect demands in the workforce. Your video, and the College Conspiracy video, are solipsistic, libertarian nonsense.
Should we borrow money and pay interest on a system that makes stressful to learn concepts through lectures and complicated standards and assignments? Oh please...
Should we even consider at a time when the job market is bleak especially the jobs that graduates demand while there are investment opportunties in precious metals? Come on.. bring it on!
@Cyrus992 Many students receive full financial aid. These students do not need to "borrow money and pay interest." I personally receive a respectable amount of grants and scholarships. By whose standards are university requirements "complicated standards and assignments"? I thoroughly enjoy my academic curriculum, with its papers, rigorous reading assignments, exams. I know many others with analogous viewpoints. I love what I learn. If you despise the university system, then don't go.
Well that is good for you that you enjoy the system..
Some however like me would like to learn how to design towns with long lecture classes, endless assignments, stressful tests, and tons of unncessary requirements that will barely help them...
The insane system does not want not offer an alternative where I can learn and practice drawing that helps me a lot, socialize heavily, don't deal with long and stressfulk work, and get some work experience.
@Cyrus992 I think you meant to say "Some however like me *wouldn't* like to design towns with...requirements that will barely help them."
Anyways, you seem to espouse a Utilitarian view of education: that going to college is fruitful only for its perceived utility, especially economically. I find that position flawed and highly suspect. For an excellent classical defense of the "liberal arts" curriculum, read Sir Henry Cardinal Newman's "The Idea of a University."
@Cyrus992 There's more to education that just getting a job at the end. Yes, many private universities are overly expensive. But many public universities offer affordable, excellent education; by attending one, you can acquire a fantastic education without going $50,000 into debt.
Altogether, education is intrinsically valuable. It allows you to broaden your horizons and learn from scholars who have dedicated their lives to their fields, in a beneficial community of knowledge.
Excuse me.. Did you read my last comment above... ??
Are you aware that it is "system" and the "way" it works is also problamatic? Even if it was affordable, it still have no desire to go. People dislike the way colleges/grades school deals with their students.
@Cyrus992 It's probably pointless to keep discussing this with you, but here I am nonetheless...
Anyways, you seem like a rebel without a cause, a common worldview among the young. What exactly about the system and its workings is problematic to you? There are certainly problems in academia; having problems does not negate the value of a university education. You say that you dislike grades. Fair enough. Throughout life, however, you will be "graded" (ie, raises in the workplace, etc).
Let us take one example.. If I want to learn how to design towns.. I would love to do more presentations, drawing, practicing, and group projects... instead endless note-taking in large lecture classes, studing and cramming up stuff and not really using them in the real world..
I hope you understand that people like to learn differently from the norm...
@Cyrus992 Well, I am not an Urban Development major, but I would imagine that "presentations, drawing, practicing, and group projects" are a vital aspect of coursework, especially in seminars. Some people dislike lecture courses (I like them, pending that the material is interesting), but seminars are a lot smaller--usually under twenty students--and contain the kind of stuff you want. I recently had a seminar on American poetry; it had both group and individual projects.
I see and thanks for getting my point. Well what I dislike is heavily required and regulated monopolized across the system. Just like the Montgomery Bus Boycott, we will boycott the system, ditch the control, and people will be educated and wont go to the nasty requirements, stress, and debt load these institutions deliver.
@Cyrus992 Once again, I don't think you even know what you're fighting against. Your analogy to the Montgomery Bus Boycott is offensive, as I don't see how inanely dismissing coursework requirements is comparable to fighting racial segregation. The best way to buck the system is to engage with it and institute positive change. Bitching on YouTube about "unfair" course requirements isn't going to do a goddamn thing.
You're too recalcitrant to reason with; I'm wasting my time.
People should not take a history class when it has very little to do with their major, delivers them so much stress and extra work, and wastes their money... Even they classes they need can be wasteful as well..
@Cyrus992 The purpose of a university, as opposed to a trade school, which fosters a specialized skill set, is to provide a well-rounded, liberal arts education. I'm an English and philosophy major, but I've taken courses in biology, chemistry, economics, etc. I think these courses are vital. They're not useless.
If you are really averse to receiving a well-rounded education, then go to a trade school. Don't bemoan universities for doing what they were created to do.
@tyler9225 tyler you are living in a delusion the same employers you are referring to will no longer hire you degree or no the reality is we must create our own means of wealth
This video is FLAWED. I personally think it was a gold and silver ad. But you cant just bash college. Its not for everyone, but its a sucess for others. For others who want it.
its a scam by jonathan lebed..hes trying to brainwash people himself for personal enrichment...go get a job make 40k a year right now if you think college is a conspiracy...colleges dont demand anything..EMPLOYERS DO..its almost impossible, without connections, to get a good paying job without a degree.. do NOT believe the BS
Well I am aware of the NIA scam.. if you see my newer video.
Exactly however what jobs? A lot of the jobs that require a degree have too many applicants! Why should you spend so much money possibly around $200K including interest for a promise that is such a mirage! I mean it is not just NIA, but Celente, Schiff, and many others have been telling us to avoid this trap!
@Cyrus992 i need you to calm down for a bit a let me explain because youve already been misled by the nia...majority of college students get grants or scholarships and average debt is 24k fro college students...but the recession is making it harder for states to give out money because of budgets...trust me...unless you have connections a degree will help secure your life...the debt is outrageous and statistics are tweaked..only 30% of the nation have some type of degree
Let us just say NIA's points were exaggerated. However, why should go with a system that makes learning so uncomfortable through large lecture classes, unncessary testing, homework, and standards? I mean the system goes "against" me and is not quite flexible.
Also there is wasted time of low real world skills recieved and I miss out on helpful spare time activities and work. Besides, there is a major collapse ahead, so I should prepare
@Cyrus992 theres def no collapse ahead anytime soon but i agree theres pointless classes and stuff you have to take even though you want a certain career..thats how colleges make their money..but that doesn't mean college isn't needed...and college does prepare you the best for the real world as far as responsibilty and developing new habits...as far flexibility you have to make sacrifices to reach your goal...no matter what you do in life college or not youll always have to make sacrifices
Well if it does benefit me.. I learn and grow more efficiently without it.
What you do mean there is no major collapse ahead? There is a high chance of that arriving! Do you really believe that this financial turmoil will turn around soon and more people will have money put in their savings and use it to borrow more for homes? It is very difficult to see that happening with the major currency devaluations happening.
You probobly must be mislead by the mainstream media
@Cyrus992 you must be brainwashed...wish i could wait until 20 years later to tell you that people with degrees still have a higher salary and are better financially than most without..but i wont even care by that time...ill have my degree and a life
Well lots of people tell me I am smart and I find myself to be bright.
Why should deal with a system that does not fit my size where the SAT's and AP classes do not reveal that and goes against me? I should be educated in a rough and neglectful way.
@Cyrus992 who am i to say you cant do that...im sure you can..im not trying to make you doubt yourself.. the point of a degree is so people can have proof that you are educated enough for a job..but you wont have that credibility...it sucks but thats how it is..not to say you wont be successful...but if this college conspiracy thing actually makes more people stop going or make their decision on going to college then they are in for a rude awakening when its too late to pursue college
Well love to grow my minds and get educated as much a I can with all my heart. Even through my spare time activities like youtube, silver trading, etc.. expands possibilities.
However not everyone is the same. They don't like to deal with these unnecessary and stresssful lecture classes, standards, long homework projects, memorizing, requirements, etc.. many which will barely help them or necessary in the real world. The system needs to be more flexible more exciting.
The film is based on a flawed assumption: that all students pay full tuition out of pocket. The vast majority of intelligent students get scholarships and/or grants to offset costs. Almost none of them need hundreds of thousands in loans to get through college.
Even if College is free and financially safe, in terms of the education/standards (depending on your major) and its valuable time consumed still makes it a true bust and rip-off.
Through its insane and unnecessary requirements, standards, boring long lectures, and useful information and real-world skills that are dismessed by them makes this whole system of SAT, ACT, Collegeboard crap a total SHAM!!
have you heard of the rulers of the world, that control more than just the college even the media, music, wars, famines, history, etc. if these people actually had a heart, they would help the world, instead of contaminate and destroy it. Its really evil thinking how much people are hurting in the world.. and i wish i could do more for them.. all i can do is support people that are trying there best to change this world in positive way. so thanks for the video. BLESSINGS!
great video.it depends on what degree you do. some degrees are too theoretical and so you could learn a lot of the stuff at home by yourself. However, practical degrees that require a lab and specialist equipment can't be done at home. The real problem is the lack of statistics showing the percentages of students employed after graduation, their earnings and whether or not the job was a graduate job. also statistics showing number of jobs available vs number of college graduates in each subject
Diplomas aren't recognized internationally. I know an ob/gyn in France who'd love to work in another country but her medical certification is not transferrable abroad. It's more important to be able to speak at least two languages with full fluency and to be prepared to relocate internationally. Stay mobile and flexible. Debt-free. No criminal record of any kind. I've had to relocate several times. It's painful and scary but very broadening.
Can I use myself as an example? I work as a Graphic Designer in a decent company on a good wage. I never went to college or Uni. I worked my way up from the ground floor, literally.
I have a co-worker who earns £2 less an hour than me because I've been there longer; more experience. He has a massive Uni debt which he'll be paying off for years.
A degree's not required. Hard work, perseverence and experience are worth much more than a bit of paper.
Honestly, i agree with you on the SAT score thing. Some people can cram a crap load of information into their brain before the test and get a proficient or higher, but probably after a month or two they wouldn't remember the information that they crammed into their brain. It's the same thing with homework scores. Homework is the biggest thing in California that reflects upon your grade (in most classes). Kids who are generally lazy, and don't do homework are normally the smartest of the class.
@Turb0Turt13 (continued) But the ones that do the homework, etc. may learn something but they might not quite exactly get it, or they are stupid and they are doing the homework because its the only way their grade can stay at a stable C- or Higher. The School system in California is a load of bullshit. First of all they put the students at the bottom of the budget, so we are getting the worst possible resources to expand our education. We are getting horrible teachers,
Oh yeah! The system is dysfunctional and neglectful.
SAT's need to be abolished where more brighter people can be reflected better.
Students also need practice when it comes to assignments, but they don't necessarily need homework because many people cheat, are too stressful, and many times does not help.
That documentary seemed okay to me until the last two minutes, when the guy speaks unscripted and his English is terrible. That being said, I lectured at universities in France last Autumn and told the students to drop out! The hierarchy hated it, as well as my using web bot as an icebreaker for a law/economics/English lecture series. Is it true some businesses in the US won't hire if you're in debt? I am hearing this but am not sure it's true.
@Cyrus992 I'd look for work teaching English in another country. Just be careful. I almost accepted a job for an oil company in China, some months near Turkey and the rest of the year in Beijing, and they were being very stingy with the airfare, so I said no. TESOL has a jobs listing email service for free. The USA is a sinking ship. We're all in a lot of trouble but I'd say experience abroad is the way to go. They really need native speakers and degrees are not needed.
Are you telling me that other parts of world could hire me because I speak English? Tell me how I can get the jobs?
Honestly if most colleges private or public were a business without getting any subsidies and regulations, they would lose a lot of money and their stock price would be zero.
@Cyrus992 Start looking on FUSAC and with TESOL. Just type these in. They are free and online. I can guide you beyond that but I do charge. I give great service, but I've just given you your best start for free. You don't know your worth, I do. Trust me. You have value. You are needed. Period.
@Cyrus992 No, you must relocate. I have a consulting service and I charge a lot, but I have a lot up for free here on YT. You might start with WORKING IN FRANCE ...
Also, exercise integrety. A creative generalist who'spassionate about a field is a natural inventor/designer, but detailed design needs to be handled by competent, ethical professionals. Like you, I am obsessed with sustainable development. I'm exporing the conceptual design of a special building as a side project (secret), but I can only work on high level design (except where I specialize). At most, I could present a concept and gain funding. The end design is up to professional consultants.
Cyrus992: just do it. I have an engineering education, but I'm doing design work outside of my field (not as a licensed engineer, but as a designer). Legally, you can not be payed for consulting... but you can be an entrepreneur! Work on your ideas, LEARN what you need to learn, and present your ideas to engineering firms. At the very least, you'll find out what you're doing wrong. If you show potential, you might just earn a scholarship to an environmental design, urban planner, etc program.
Study independently online or reading alone, continue to practice, and then with the profits in the silver market, create a firm and designs to stand out in the real world..
You can have as much imagination as you want but without an education or a means to do it, it doesn't matter. I can say I wants a city completely run by walruses but that doesn't mean it can happen. And is all of this to look better for girls? You're showing off for them? I'm really confused by that whole part...
That girl parts is to supposed to tackle down on how irrelevant and overrrated people like Justin Bieber are gettting all extra attention who will help them in the real world and instead they can give all of their support and flirts to me who is young, more attractive, and could make a better impact on their lives.
It about time where many our mindsets are focused into more rellevant people and ideas.
Thanks for the video exposing the truth about our seriously flawed education system. I hope more people will watch. :-)
MultiPBW 2 weeks ago
where is the college conspiracy video at? it's not on youtube anymore...
MichaelKhanTV 1 month ago
@MichaelKhanTV
It appears motherf*cking Pepperdine University took it down for copyright violations. Bullsh*t!
I will make a video about this soon!
Cyrus992 1 month ago
@MichaelKhanTV
I noticed that. =/ It seems that whoever ordered the removing of the College Conspiracy video doesn't want people to know the harsh truth about our notoriously terrible college system.
MultiPBW 2 weeks ago
I wish that documentary would have came out a decade ago, it would have been very helpful. it's amazing the world we live in that we need to place ourselves in debt in order to succeed in life. in my opinion, college is only required for those who want to practice medicine.
m2diggs 1 month ago
I agree how the silly corporatist policies enforced by employers need to be reformed. But at the moment, a bachelors degree is absolutely imperative for decent employment.
youngdones 1 month ago
@youngdones
It all depends.. Remember, you do not always have to get employed by someone..
Bottom line, you HAVE to get outside learning and creativity outside of the school system and you must have an alternative financial backup plan which means...
No liabilities and for heavens sakes some investments or at least savings.
I hope you can agree with that..
See my videos by the way.
Cyrus992 1 month ago
EVERYONE has to go to college before they can start a working career. 50 years ago you could get a great job straight out of college. Now it's made so you have to go to both high school AND college before an employer will even consider you.
youngdones 1 month ago
@youngdones
Oh just deal with the crappy neglectful system. No one should argue and fight against it. BULLSH*T! Why in the world are these employers should do that? Are they insane?
Remember how the use to deny people in their businesses if they were "colored" and how we found out it was BULLSH*T and we fought against it!
Why should we all even do this? Let us all seek an alternative method of education and create our own companies that hire the alternative system of learning!
Cyrus992 1 month ago
@Cyrus992 I believe this is called "corporatism". Look it up.
youngdones 1 month ago
Jobs requiring bachelors degrees and greater offer high salaries because of the enormous debt you have to pay back to the school you went to.
College tuition is astronomically expensive because they have to pay the professors and other faculty members their bloated salaries.
youngdones 1 month ago
@youngdones
Well those "salaries" were much higher in REAL value many years and decades ago yet tuition costs were a lot lower... I mean seriously why should those tuition prices rise while the service gets poorer?
You tell me that they have to pay those "bloated" salaries. For what? Now it seems you are even begining to realize how flawed this system really is. This is problem. They monopolize the entire education system and expect us to deal with crap service. Time to ditch it!
Cyrus992 1 month ago
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You're not smart for the reason that you put up the hypothetical of building the best designed towns. lol.
arenor 1 month ago
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arenor 1 month ago
Most employers require you to have a minimum of a bachelors degree before they even interview you.
A BA is absolutely imperative before you can begin a working career. In fact, in many cases it is actually required by law.
youngdones 1 month ago
@youngdones
Required by law? Come on! This is insane! Why is this even necessary?
Why can't you get you get alternative forms of education without getting into debt and dealing with the neglect of the college system?
Even if you are right, we need to create a movement. Ditch the system and create the alternative through boycotts!
Cyrus992 1 month ago 2
@youngdones
That's a load of crap. Companies are cutting costs, somebody with some experience (in a particular job they are applying for) has more of a chance getting a job with a low salary requirement opposed to somebody with a bachelors, no experience and a higher salary requirement due to their debt obligations or what have you.
xAmericansovereignty 1 month ago
You have to have a BA to work at McDonalds?
youngdones 1 month ago
@youngdones
I do not have a BA or any college degree and I work at Macy's.
Cyrus992 1 month ago
People don't realize that there is actually a lot you could without going to college. For example if you want to own a restaurant don't go to school for that. You will learn and attain a lot more by working in one.
stina10593 1 month ago 2
@youngdones the problem is, a degree isn't a guarantee. So a lot of grads end up working menial minimum wage jobs despite their nice, shiny, new and overpriced degree. I know a girl who has a masters degree and works at coffee bean. I know a guy who has a BA and works at Barnes and noble. I know a guy that never went to college and he makes 130k annually working at discount tire. College is bullshit.
JSS0986 2 months ago
@JSS0986
Tell me about it...
The problem is that the "labels" mislead the people as if you are labeled with a BA means you are more qualified/intelligent.
We need stop judging people around by useless labels and statistics.
Cyrus992 2 months ago 2
@Cyrus992 People with only high school diplomas are frowned upon by much of society. Even if they have extremely well-paying jobs. You are seen as less-intelligent and lower class.
youngdones 1 month ago
@youngdones
Okay, after all the talent, support from many, & imagination I have. do people have to push me around just because I dont have a piece of paper? What is the point of all of this?
People like you are what is concerning our society. You just accept the norms of this world & hardly question the flaws in our society
There was a time where people used to push people around when they were "colored" or African-American. Just like the whole "college label," it is a sham too
Cyrus992 1 month ago
@Cyrus992 Regardless of what you think about the flaws in our society, the fact of the matter is that most employers demand that you have at least a bachelors degree from a university before they consider hiring you. In many cases a BA isn't enough and now you need a masters or doctorate in order to get a job. Otherwise you'll be forced to work menial blue-collar jobs making minimum wage for the rest of your life.
youngdones 1 month ago
@youngdones
Well if you are right (This does apply to some careers,) we all need to create a SERIOUS and MAJOR reform movement against the system. Let us all create our own education alternative, ditch the system and let this corruption die and collapse!
Remember the days of segregation and how unncessary it was? Boycotts were made and real changes were done. Since many like me have the education and imagination but do not have the "label," we DESERVE to be treated better!
Cyrus992 1 month ago
I am a 3rd year undergrad studying business, I was going to later get an MBA degree but I decided not to immediately. I would however go to culinary school and run a small pastry business.
mycreativityrules 2 months ago
It may seem upside down and unfair, but when people spend their money on something or somebody they want to know they are getting their money's worth. If you do your research online you can find symptoms cures and diagnostic procedures, but even if you were allowed to use that knowledge by law, people would be hessitant to pay for your advice.
I believe there is something called resume inflation, that trend will probably let up with lower unemployment and as baby boomers retire.
thoughtchallenge 2 months ago
Pretty soon a job working the window at McDonalds will require a college degree. A degree is the prerequisite for EVERYTHING nowadays.
A college degree is an often unnecessary litmus test for employers.
youngdones 2 months ago
@youngdones
Oh really? Why does it have be a requirement? What is so necessary about the degree? Why do people have to be so gullible into buiying this junk?
Who says we can get education without all the crap requirements? We need alternatives!
If you do not respond, you look like a spammer!
Cyrus992 2 months ago 2
@Cyrus992 Most employers demand a bachelors degree MINIMUM in order to even get a job interview.
youngdones 2 months ago
60 years ago a person could get a great job straight out of high school. Today, a BA is the new minimum required benchmark for employment. Otherwise you'll be working menial minimum-wage jobs for the rest of your life.
youngdones 2 months ago
@youngdones I have a master's degree most employers don't give a crap about it.
dutytocareforothers 1 month ago
@youngdones Actually, last year in april McDonalds was hiring, and were about 40,000 applicants. Out of the 40,000, McDonalds only hired people with a BA. That's what a BA will get you these days.
Pecker6914 1 month ago
We need to be pro-education NOT pro system
We need to remove the unncessary requirements & standards limiting the fliexibility we can pursue to acheive our dreams & drive up costs
We need to ditch the system that makes education stressful through huge lecture classes, constant note taking, memorizing useless facts & long work
We need to judge people's education by how the suceed in the future & what they do in the real world instead of useless degrees & grades. SUBSCRIBE
Cyrus992 3 months ago 17
@Cyrus992
Kinda reminds me of this analogy: If you buy beer at a store a day after your 21st birthday and they ask you for your ID and you don't have it because you never bothered getting, don't go blaming the DMV about it.
I'm over trying to discuss this subject with you. You haven't really supported your views all too well (thought there was like, one point I did agree with) so yeah. What garbage LOL.
Ronnyman 4 months ago
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You are part of the reason the system is flawed. When you go to college it is not to get a piece of paper: what you are getting is the proof that you are knowledgable. For you, your degree would be the certainty that employers would recognize your ability to creatively plan cities. You haven't gone to college and look where you are: sitting on your ass ranting by yourself. Instead, you could be going to an affordable, creative college and setting yourself up for happiness. I'm not trying to be
thief224 4 months ago
@thief224
Lets see here:
-I learn faster and better w/o college
-I save time w/o college
-I save lots of money to invest w/o college
-I dont deal with stresss and frustration of testing and unecessary requirememts w/o college
-Many students drop out
-They will really really lose their value when the global currency crisis arrives.
Now why in the world should I bother?
Cyrus992 4 months ago 25
@Cyrus992 Good point, but some employment requires a degree in order to promote when time and experience play through. Perfect examples would be anything in supervision/civil servant positions. Education--yes, but is college for EVERYONE---NO.
Direx230 1 month ago
It won't happen. Sorry but the world is heading towards a rich and poor society so expect the poor to be either riding the bus or walking while the rich get to drive.
vfIskullangel 5 months ago
It really is true that people can do things without all the arbitrary regulation and bullshit. The government rules hold people down.
Why is it necessary to go to college for six or seven years to get a masters in teaching just to teach algebra to some teenagers? You could have almost any highschool graduate who has done advanced math do that. Why the waste of time and money going to college?
There is so much shit like that, it is so fucking ridiculous!
undeadpresident 5 months ago
@undeadpresident LOL! Way to exaggerate! All you need is a Bachelors and a teaching certificate to teach highschool; a master's is for teaching college level courses. It's odd how people get so mad about how it's a "waste of time and money" to be WHAT THEY WANT TO BE! No one's forcing you to be a doctor or to start your own business.
But then again, I'm not surprised by your answer. I'm sure you love being the third keyholder of your local Taco Bell. LOL!
Ronnyman 4 months ago
@Ronnyman my point is that you don't need to go to college and run yourself into debt for 5 years to be able to teach math. It's not efficient.
undeadpresident 4 months ago
@undeadpresident
Amen to you bro!
It is insane the place unnecesary requirements that limits on how flexible we want to be!
We the people need to rise up, boycott the system, find alternatives, and let the private and public system collapse!
Cyrus992 4 months ago
@Cyrus992 It's funny how undead president is focuses on only the teaching career. Some people want to be artists (meaning their degress mean absolutely nothing) but if they aren't skilled, they don't get clients or potential careers (in TV).
If this is about money, then I can understand why college isn't very economical. I think THAT'S what you should be ranting about--college being expensive; NOT because you think it's pointless. If you think you're "open-minded" btw, you are far from it.
Ronnyman 4 months ago
@Cyrus992 I thought your video was a discussion about the documentary "College Conspiracy: Amazing or Flawed?" Too bad it was all one-sided. I am a film student... meaning my degree is worthless (I use this account for things that are too "unprofessional" to be done on my main one LOL). College was affordable for me and thanks to my college fund, all I got to pay for was books and parking.
I'm currently interning at Warner Brothers and thanks to the connections I've made, I got the job.
Ronnyman 4 months ago
@Cyrus992 Well, I officially start in January, but whatever. If it weren't for school, it would have taken me much longer to get my foot through the door, especially because in my industry it's not only about skill, but who you know. Those connections I made in my classes were valuable.
I'm disappointed there was no real discussion on the documentary here, and I admit I was a total ass myself. I don't know what you choose to do with your life, but as long as you love doing it, that's great.
Ronnyman 4 months ago
@Ronnyman
Look I understand it benefits some, but for many the system and the process is very stressful and neglecting, Due to the lmited fliexibility with so many regulations and standards, people HAVE TO pursue college because it is required to get a degree in some fields.
We want people to be educated, but has to be more fliexibility in how people want to learn instead being saddled by unnecessary requirements and a teaching style that many find tiresome and endless.
Cyrus992 4 months ago
@Cyrus992
"Due to the lmited fliexibility with so many regulations and standards, people HAVE TO pursue college because it is required to get a degree in some fields."
Sounds like your problem isn't about colleges then. From that statement, you just make college sound like an inconvenient requirement for certain jobs. You should be getting mad at the jobs for asking for a degree instead of whining about how college is a waste of time.
Ronnyman 4 months ago
Please do some research into the NIA before you go public claiming you wish you were part of a video that is used to attract victims into a stock pump and dump scam. The NIA video which you refer to has many valid points but it was designed with alterior motives and some of the facts are outright misleading and false. I like your passion however. Best of luck.
MrSupernova111 5 months ago
Dude, I really love your speech!!!
I 100% agree about what you said. When you are going to start a movement???
alexakabestofthebest 5 months ago 2
@alexakabestofthebest
Thank you so much!! I appreciate your comment...
Yes I desperately want to start a movement.. Please help me!! I just need more fans and funds..
Cyrus992 5 months ago
@Cyrus992
I heard there is one in NY...there is a movement going on in Wall street...
Students are protesting
alexakabestofthebest 5 months ago
@alexakabestofthebest Right now: facebook.com/groups/285345564844205/
devinrhode4 3 months ago
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44 people did not get into college.
limetv3 5 months ago 5
There are a lot of intelligent people who are successful without college degrees as well. The documentary mentions them, but not really glorifies them... unless they are farmers. LOL. There are pros and cons for everything, but this documentary spatted bullcrap that idiots absorb as FACT, not realizing that at the very end, it was a giant advertisement for the NIA, which uses it's own sources are "reliable" sources.
Conspiracy theories are garbage, which is why hippies and hobos believe them.
Ronnyman 5 months ago
It disregards state colleges that don't have as high tuition. Also, it talks about inflation, which is what the whole documentary is focused about: NOT necessarily college, but INFLATION! Some jobs REQUIRE a degree to even be qualified!
Also, I don't know about you guys, but I want a physician with a DOCTORATE doing surgury and prescribing me medicine then some moron who learned crap from wikipedia, since the documentary recommends internet training.
Ronnyman 5 months ago
EVERYONE who is a music, theatre, and film major knows their degrees are nothing more than a piece of paper. They go to school for safe critique, to make connections with people, and build a portfolio and resume. They don't need a degree to get into the creative industries because those companies don't care if you've got a degree or not--they look at your SKILLS AND TALENT.
The documentary is garbage because it mostly talks about colleges with very high tuition fees (over $25,000 a year).
Ronnyman 5 months ago
@supermonet True, but there are still a minority of college students like me who are serious at school and plan to go on to a graduate degree, whilst those who come to party usually leave after they get their bachelor's and thus ensure that their lavish lifestyles will be backed by their parents. I feel that this new mentality of the "party" college-goer is making bachelor's degrees worthless, whilst those who are serious about school must prove that by going on and at least getting a master's.
Haygirl345 5 months ago
The only reason why teens out of high school go to a university, is to party, party, party, and meet new friends. But its pretty heavy price to pay just for that. what a shame.
supermonet12 5 months ago
for anyone who cares, this is my theory: 1) Yes, worthless degrees do exist 2) if you think your smart enough to go to school, wouldn't you invest half a day to search the job market to see what kind of chance you have of getting a job when you graduate first? 3) if you have a passion for what you go to school for and you get something of value (skill) that's in demand then paying back tuition shouldn't be that difficult. yes, I have been to college twice
agentwoofy 5 months ago
They don't finish, therefore do not qualify for a job, and then are left with a financial burden. They put themselves into that situation. No one else. . .
higheddy89 5 months ago
1) Don't bash people because you went to college and got a worthless degree. No one send you to school with a gun to your head.
2) Don't blame employers' prerequisites just because you are not qualified.
I am on the fence on this whole college BS. I agree that in certain conditions it is usless, but can also say that there are times where it is in fact beneficial. Those that are "hundereds of thousands of dollars" in debt are all the jack wagons that go away to school and party hard.
higheddy89 5 months ago
i would have learned more if i didn't go to college when it comes to computer science, and then go into mobile development applications.. how? learning on your own, you can get there, take software certifications which don't require college degrees to take, and which are very valuable when looking for a job. Instead i took courses in humanities, psychology along with the degree, which i never found the point.. hope this helps.
juan1974mendez 6 months ago
@juan1974mendez
Yeah! I see what you mean. Yet a lot of people are brainwashed to believe that a college degree will always make you more intelligent and deliver you a higher salary.
The truth is if we learn by doing more exciting group projects, going more interactive with the class, and working on concepts that help us a lot other than long lecture classes and cramming up for things that conflicts us minds, we most certainly do much better.
I hope I can succed by learning on my own!
Cyrus992 6 months ago
what do you think of Mike Reynolds' earthship concept? I'm in Florida and think it would be huge here. Regulations and codes prohibit them from building.
MrDevilsadvocate696 6 months ago
@MrDevilsadvocate696
Please tell me more about it.
I want to hear from you.
Cyrus992 6 months ago
Im part of the uncollege movement. :) would love to connect with you. Your ideas are brilliant. Agree 100%
bellavie92 6 months ago
@bellavie92
Thank you. Love to hear from people like you. Please stay tuned.
Cyrus992 6 months ago
@bellavie92
How many college drop outs do you know are doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, etc... ? You should consider switching from an "uncollege movement" to an anti inflation movement so people who need a college degree to pursue a certain career can afford it.
MrSupernova111 5 months ago
College Conspiracy in a nutshell:
College is a scam so don't go, you can become a skilled surgeon via internet training, look at the articles NIA wrote since they're reliable sources, lol farmers, buy silver, ZOMG INFLATION, and Join NIA you SHEEP!
It was a giant advertisement at the end. It was alright at first, but then to turned to crap toward the end.
Ronnyman 6 months ago
I think College Conspiracy is an excellent documentary.
dutytocareforothers 6 months ago
@dutytocareforothers
Its a scam. And there are many facts manipulated to serve NIAs agenda. Google Jonathan Lebed and see.
MrSupernova111 5 months ago
@MrSupernova111 No it's not. I went to a state university. College is a pyramid scheme with some most rude and two-faced professors ever. Not worth it unless you are great at math and can manage to learn engineering or accounting.
dutytocareforothers 5 months ago
Dude. National Inflation Association (the makers of that video) is a 'pump and dump' scam. Google it. They gain the trust of suckers like you, get you to go to their website, buy their penny stock recommendations, drive the price of those stocks, then they sell them and screw you. Hey, BTW. I just won the lottery and need a checking account to deposit it into. Can you give me your account number? (i.e. you're not intelligent which is why your SAT score sucks.)
TheAntiKoch 6 months ago
@TheAntiKoch
I am aware of NIA. See my note at 2:01!
May I ask why do you want my account number. I can give you my address possibly.
Thanks for agreeing with me on the SAT. According to your name, are you agianst the Koch Brothers? I am totally against many of their influences!
Cyrus992 6 months ago
@Cyrus992 Cyrus, I hope you are just messing with me because now I'm starting to just feel bad. I don't want your account number. You seem like a nice kid, so here's a rule, or algorithm, to follow in life: 1) identify what is conservative (e.g. Tea Party, libertarian, Republican, Evangelical, etc.) and 2) stay far away from it. By definition, conservative believe the individual (i.e. themselves) is more important than anything else (i.e. you). They will rob you blind and think you deserve it.
TheAntiKoch 6 months ago
@TheAntiKoch
I am sorry, one by one please. Did I tell you I am a "Tea Party, libertarian, Republican, Evangelical?" I dont think I did. I just told you I do not enjoy many actions the Koch Brothers are doing.
Cyrus992 6 months ago
"I was just disappointed that I wasn't in that film." Lol.
theRecONcile 6 months ago
@theRecONcile
They wanted to interview me, but all of a sudden they told me they had to catch a flight.
Just imagine if I was in the film! Total Blockbuster!
Cyrus992 6 months ago
@Cyrus992
You should consider yourself lucky to not be part of the scam that is the NIA.
MrSupernova111 5 months ago
Nice vid
cubanboy740 6 months ago
I think it's a wonderful thing that you have so much faith in young people like ourselves and the people coming up behind us. I feel the same way that you do and I hope that we can grow into a society that isn't based on consumerism, gas guzzling transportation, etc. Good for you to bring these ideas to the forefront and start educating your peers!
cjoye09 7 months ago
@cjoye09
Why it is a pleasure hearing from people like you.
I will try to remain optomistic and continue to spread these ideas. Please help me if you can
Somehow however many of the people in their late teens early 20s cannot wake up and be alerted to what is going on.. Many just try to ignore me as much as they can and just continue to drive around, go out, consume so much gasoline, and be in social isolation within their friends because we lack neighborhood town centers to socialize
Cyrus992 7 months ago
@cjoye09 I dream of such a society. T-T
mazadiablo 6 months ago
I also agree with everything you covered.
arms96 7 months ago
Yooo. Are you Iranian?
arms96 7 months ago
@arms96
Yeah.. how did you know. I was born here by the way..
Cyrus992 7 months ago
@Cyrus992 Your username, and you look like one of us! And I was also born here. Good video.
arms96 7 months ago
@arms96
Thank you. Please stay tuned..
Have you also though that Persians are more open-thinking and creative than the norm?
Cyrus992 7 months ago
@Cyrus992 That has came across my mind many times!
arms96 7 months ago
With ya hundred percent of the way. College really is a scam peoples ! don't get brainwashed by the media !
rusty9191 7 months ago
hell yea!!! I been ready
nawside11389 7 months ago
Great video, I agree with you on all parts. Thanks for sharing.
sporky69 7 months ago
The documentary has some good points, college tuition is spiraling out of control and a lot of students don't have the means to pay them. THAT SAID, many employers today grew up at the peak of the industrial age and still consider a bachelors to be worth something. Many jobs today won't even look at a persons resume unless they have this supposedly "worthless" piece of paper. The key to success has and always will be networking, experience and intelligence
ppeng001 7 months ago
@ppeng001
Thank you..
At least some of you actually listen..
Cyrus992 7 months ago
The College Conspiracy video is flawed and blissfully disregards major concerns. I feel sorry for you. You seem to think that you should be allowed every caprice...that you shouldn't have to be "bogged down" by the academic system's structure. Do you think employers will happily espouse your worldview? Highly doubtful. You cannot neglect demands in academia; you cannot neglect demands in the workforce. Your video, and the College Conspiracy video, are solipsistic, libertarian nonsense.
tyler9225 8 months ago
@tyler9225
So what is your suggestion?
Should we borrow money and pay interest on a system that makes stressful to learn concepts through lectures and complicated standards and assignments? Oh please...
Should we even consider at a time when the job market is bleak especially the jobs that graduates demand while there are investment opportunties in precious metals? Come on.. bring it on!
Cyrus992 8 months ago 2
@Cyrus992 Many students receive full financial aid. These students do not need to "borrow money and pay interest." I personally receive a respectable amount of grants and scholarships. By whose standards are university requirements "complicated standards and assignments"? I thoroughly enjoy my academic curriculum, with its papers, rigorous reading assignments, exams. I know many others with analogous viewpoints. I love what I learn. If you despise the university system, then don't go.
tyler9225 8 months ago
@tyler9225
Well that is good for you that you enjoy the system..
Some however like me would like to learn how to design towns with long lecture classes, endless assignments, stressful tests, and tons of unncessary requirements that will barely help them...
The insane system does not want not offer an alternative where I can learn and practice drawing that helps me a lot, socialize heavily, don't deal with long and stressfulk work, and get some work experience.
Cyrus992 7 months ago 2
@Cyrus992 I think you meant to say "Some however like me *wouldn't* like to design towns with...requirements that will barely help them."
Anyways, you seem to espouse a Utilitarian view of education: that going to college is fruitful only for its perceived utility, especially economically. I find that position flawed and highly suspect. For an excellent classical defense of the "liberal arts" curriculum, read Sir Henry Cardinal Newman's "The Idea of a University."
tyler9225 7 months ago
@Cyrus992 There's more to education that just getting a job at the end. Yes, many private universities are overly expensive. But many public universities offer affordable, excellent education; by attending one, you can acquire a fantastic education without going $50,000 into debt.
Altogether, education is intrinsically valuable. It allows you to broaden your horizons and learn from scholars who have dedicated their lives to their fields, in a beneficial community of knowledge.
tyler9225 7 months ago
@tyler9225
Excuse me.. Did you read my last comment above... ??
Are you aware that it is "system" and the "way" it works is also problamatic? Even if it was affordable, it still have no desire to go. People dislike the way colleges/grades school deals with their students.
Cyrus992 7 months ago 2
@Cyrus992 It's probably pointless to keep discussing this with you, but here I am nonetheless...
Anyways, you seem like a rebel without a cause, a common worldview among the young. What exactly about the system and its workings is problematic to you? There are certainly problems in academia; having problems does not negate the value of a university education. You say that you dislike grades. Fair enough. Throughout life, however, you will be "graded" (ie, raises in the workplace, etc).
tyler9225 7 months ago
@tyler9225
Let us take one example.. If I want to learn how to design towns.. I would love to do more presentations, drawing, practicing, and group projects... instead endless note-taking in large lecture classes, studing and cramming up stuff and not really using them in the real world..
I hope you understand that people like to learn differently from the norm...
Cyrus992 7 months ago
@Cyrus992 Well, I am not an Urban Development major, but I would imagine that "presentations, drawing, practicing, and group projects" are a vital aspect of coursework, especially in seminars. Some people dislike lecture courses (I like them, pending that the material is interesting), but seminars are a lot smaller--usually under twenty students--and contain the kind of stuff you want. I recently had a seminar on American poetry; it had both group and individual projects.
tyler9225 7 months ago
@tyler9225
I see and thanks for getting my point. Well what I dislike is heavily required and regulated monopolized across the system. Just like the Montgomery Bus Boycott, we will boycott the system, ditch the control, and people will be educated and wont go to the nasty requirements, stress, and debt load these institutions deliver.
It is showtime!
Cyrus992 7 months ago
@Cyrus992 Once again, I don't think you even know what you're fighting against. Your analogy to the Montgomery Bus Boycott is offensive, as I don't see how inanely dismissing coursework requirements is comparable to fighting racial segregation. The best way to buck the system is to engage with it and institute positive change. Bitching on YouTube about "unfair" course requirements isn't going to do a goddamn thing.
You're too recalcitrant to reason with; I'm wasting my time.
-Tyler
tyler9225 7 months ago
@tyler9225
It is fair and simple..
People should not take a history class when it has very little to do with their major, delivers them so much stress and extra work, and wastes their money... Even they classes they need can be wasteful as well..
I hope you at least get that....
Cyrus992 7 months ago
@Cyrus992 The purpose of a university, as opposed to a trade school, which fosters a specialized skill set, is to provide a well-rounded, liberal arts education. I'm an English and philosophy major, but I've taken courses in biology, chemistry, economics, etc. I think these courses are vital. They're not useless.
If you are really averse to receiving a well-rounded education, then go to a trade school. Don't bemoan universities for doing what they were created to do.
tyler9225 7 months ago
@tyler9225 tyler you are living in a delusion the same employers you are referring to will no longer hire you degree or no the reality is we must create our own means of wealth
azureminded1 7 months ago
@azureminded1 How am I living in a delusion?
tyler9225 7 months ago
This video is FLAWED. I personally think it was a gold and silver ad. But you cant just bash college. Its not for everyone, but its a sucess for others. For others who want it.
itsniquenique45 8 months ago
@itsniquenique45 That's what I thought also. The longest commercial I have ever seen.
chinguidinsky 7 months ago
@Deadmemories9207
Tell me about it!
The Challenges from my high school woke me up to this mess.
Cyrus992 8 months ago
its a scam by jonathan lebed..hes trying to brainwash people himself for personal enrichment...go get a job make 40k a year right now if you think college is a conspiracy...colleges dont demand anything..EMPLOYERS DO..its almost impossible, without connections, to get a good paying job without a degree.. do NOT believe the BS
markuseraccount 8 months ago
@markuseraccount
Well I am aware of the NIA scam.. if you see my newer video.
Exactly however what jobs? A lot of the jobs that require a degree have too many applicants! Why should you spend so much money possibly around $200K including interest for a promise that is such a mirage! I mean it is not just NIA, but Celente, Schiff, and many others have been telling us to avoid this trap!
Cyrus992 8 months ago
@Cyrus992 i need you to calm down for a bit a let me explain because youve already been misled by the nia...majority of college students get grants or scholarships and average debt is 24k fro college students...but the recession is making it harder for states to give out money because of budgets...trust me...unless you have connections a degree will help secure your life...the debt is outrageous and statistics are tweaked..only 30% of the nation have some type of degree
markuseraccount 8 months ago
@markuseraccount
Okay, one topic at a time please.
Let us just say NIA's points were exaggerated. However, why should go with a system that makes learning so uncomfortable through large lecture classes, unncessary testing, homework, and standards? I mean the system goes "against" me and is not quite flexible.
Also there is wasted time of low real world skills recieved and I miss out on helpful spare time activities and work. Besides, there is a major collapse ahead, so I should prepare
Cyrus992 8 months ago
@Cyrus992 theres def no collapse ahead anytime soon but i agree theres pointless classes and stuff you have to take even though you want a certain career..thats how colleges make their money..but that doesn't mean college isn't needed...and college does prepare you the best for the real world as far as responsibilty and developing new habits...as far flexibility you have to make sacrifices to reach your goal...no matter what you do in life college or not youll always have to make sacrifices
markuseraccount 8 months ago
@markuseraccount
Well if it does benefit me.. I learn and grow more efficiently without it.
What you do mean there is no major collapse ahead? There is a high chance of that arriving! Do you really believe that this financial turmoil will turn around soon and more people will have money put in their savings and use it to borrow more for homes? It is very difficult to see that happening with the major currency devaluations happening.
You probobly must be mislead by the mainstream media
Cyrus992 8 months ago
@Cyrus992 you must be brainwashed...wish i could wait until 20 years later to tell you that people with degrees still have a higher salary and are better financially than most without..but i wont even care by that time...ill have my degree and a life
markuseraccount 8 months ago
@markuseraccount
Well lots of people tell me I am smart and I find myself to be bright.
Why should deal with a system that does not fit my size where the SAT's and AP classes do not reveal that and goes against me? I should be educated in a rough and neglectful way.
Cyrus992 8 months ago
@Cyrus992 who am i to say you cant do that...im sure you can..im not trying to make you doubt yourself.. the point of a degree is so people can have proof that you are educated enough for a job..but you wont have that credibility...it sucks but thats how it is..not to say you wont be successful...but if this college conspiracy thing actually makes more people stop going or make their decision on going to college then they are in for a rude awakening when its too late to pursue college
markuseraccount 8 months ago
@markuseraccount
Well love to grow my minds and get educated as much a I can with all my heart. Even through my spare time activities like youtube, silver trading, etc.. expands possibilities.
However not everyone is the same. They don't like to deal with these unnecessary and stresssful lecture classes, standards, long homework projects, memorizing, requirements, etc.. many which will barely help them or necessary in the real world. The system needs to be more flexible more exciting.
Cyrus992 8 months ago
@Deadmemories9207
Oh I see.. So do you believe the Silver sector is quite profitable?
I mean it does lower my risk and most likely will outperform the silver commodity ETF itself.
Cyrus992 8 months ago
The film is based on a flawed assumption: that all students pay full tuition out of pocket. The vast majority of intelligent students get scholarships and/or grants to offset costs. Almost none of them need hundreds of thousands in loans to get through college.
jrahib1 9 months ago
@jrahib1
Even if College is free and financially safe, in terms of the education/standards (depending on your major) and its valuable time consumed still makes it a true bust and rip-off.
Through its insane and unnecessary requirements, standards, boring long lectures, and useful information and real-world skills that are dismessed by them makes this whole system of SAT, ACT, Collegeboard crap a total SHAM!!
Wake up to the truth!!
Cyrus992 9 months ago
have you heard of the rulers of the world, that control more than just the college even the media, music, wars, famines, history, etc. if these people actually had a heart, they would help the world, instead of contaminate and destroy it. Its really evil thinking how much people are hurting in the world.. and i wish i could do more for them.. all i can do is support people that are trying there best to change this world in positive way. so thanks for the video. BLESSINGS!
Gubbible 9 months ago
great video.it depends on what degree you do. some degrees are too theoretical and so you could learn a lot of the stuff at home by yourself. However, practical degrees that require a lab and specialist equipment can't be done at home. The real problem is the lack of statistics showing the percentages of students employed after graduation, their earnings and whether or not the job was a graduate job. also statistics showing number of jobs available vs number of college graduates in each subject
7mm7king 9 months ago
There's so many BS courses that are not related to the degree that one is pursuing.
jimbobubbadj 9 months ago
Diplomas aren't recognized internationally. I know an ob/gyn in France who'd love to work in another country but her medical certification is not transferrable abroad. It's more important to be able to speak at least two languages with full fluency and to be prepared to relocate internationally. Stay mobile and flexible. Debt-free. No criminal record of any kind. I've had to relocate several times. It's painful and scary but very broadening.
slobomotion 9 months ago
@slobomotion
I have and will do my best to take your advice. Thank you.
Cyrus992 9 months ago
nice stuff, I have seen the film too, I am looking for other reviews on this film, if you have any please post them there: goo.gl / L2R8v
openconversation 9 months ago
@openconversation
I will do my best.
Cyrus992 9 months ago
nice video
TheUglyPaperBagMan 9 months ago
@TheUglyPaperBagMan
Thank you for watching.
Please stay tuned for more and spread my channel.
Cyrus992 9 months ago
Can I use myself as an example? I work as a Graphic Designer in a decent company on a good wage. I never went to college or Uni. I worked my way up from the ground floor, literally.
I have a co-worker who earns £2 less an hour than me because I've been there longer; more experience. He has a massive Uni debt which he'll be paying off for years.
A degree's not required. Hard work, perseverence and experience are worth much more than a bit of paper.
A graduate still has to learn how to do the job.
MrWineDrinker 9 months ago
@MrWineDrinker ...and a little bit of luck also helps getting a foot in the door, but once you're in, work hard and good things will happen.
MrWineDrinker 9 months ago
So come to the UK you would love it in an Urban Design collage. and it is only(!) £9,000 a year...
felixdov 9 months ago
@felixdov
Still too costly.. I might think about it tough..
Cyrus992 9 months ago
@felixdov College or collage?
slobomotion 9 months ago
@slobomotion
Can you tell that I never went to college, or collage for that matter... dohhh!
felixdov 9 months ago
Honestly, i agree with you on the SAT score thing. Some people can cram a crap load of information into their brain before the test and get a proficient or higher, but probably after a month or two they wouldn't remember the information that they crammed into their brain. It's the same thing with homework scores. Homework is the biggest thing in California that reflects upon your grade (in most classes). Kids who are generally lazy, and don't do homework are normally the smartest of the class.
Turb0Turt13 9 months ago
@Turb0Turt13 (continued) But the ones that do the homework, etc. may learn something but they might not quite exactly get it, or they are stupid and they are doing the homework because its the only way their grade can stay at a stable C- or Higher. The School system in California is a load of bullshit. First of all they put the students at the bottom of the budget, so we are getting the worst possible resources to expand our education. We are getting horrible teachers,
Turb0Turt13 9 months ago
@Turb0Turt13 Or we have horrible teachers that still have their jobs... That's all i really have to say for now. Let me know how you think.
Turb0Turt13 9 months ago
@Turb0Turt13
Oh yeah! The system is dysfunctional and neglectful.
SAT's need to be abolished where more brighter people can be reflected better.
Students also need practice when it comes to assignments, but they don't necessarily need homework because many people cheat, are too stressful, and many times does not help.
Cyrus992 9 months ago
That documentary seemed okay to me until the last two minutes, when the guy speaks unscripted and his English is terrible. That being said, I lectured at universities in France last Autumn and told the students to drop out! The hierarchy hated it, as well as my using web bot as an icebreaker for a law/economics/English lecture series. Is it true some businesses in the US won't hire if you're in debt? I am hearing this but am not sure it's true.
slobomotion 9 months ago
@slobomotion
Tell me about it.. Some want college degree no matter how much in debt you are and how much valuable time is wasted...
You tell me.. What should we do?
Cyrus992 9 months ago
@Cyrus992 I'd look for work teaching English in another country. Just be careful. I almost accepted a job for an oil company in China, some months near Turkey and the rest of the year in Beijing, and they were being very stingy with the airfare, so I said no. TESOL has a jobs listing email service for free. The USA is a sinking ship. We're all in a lot of trouble but I'd say experience abroad is the way to go. They really need native speakers and degrees are not needed.
slobomotion 9 months ago
@slobomotion
Are you telling me that other parts of world could hire me because I speak English? Tell me how I can get the jobs?
Honestly if most colleges private or public were a business without getting any subsidies and regulations, they would lose a lot of money and their stock price would be zero.
Cyrus992 9 months ago
@Cyrus992 Start looking on FUSAC and with TESOL. Just type these in. They are free and online. I can guide you beyond that but I do charge. I give great service, but I've just given you your best start for free. You don't know your worth, I do. Trust me. You have value. You are needed. Period.
slobomotion 9 months ago
@slobomotion
Really and this is all free? Can I make a living from this at the comfort of my own home?
Cyrus992 9 months ago
@Cyrus992 No, you must relocate. I have a consulting service and I charge a lot, but I have a lot up for free here on YT. You might start with WORKING IN FRANCE ...
slobomotion 9 months ago
Great video
jchahine 9 months ago
@jchahine
Thank you. Please subscribe and spread my channnel.
Cyrus992 9 months ago
Also, exercise integrety. A creative generalist who'spassionate about a field is a natural inventor/designer, but detailed design needs to be handled by competent, ethical professionals. Like you, I am obsessed with sustainable development. I'm exporing the conceptual design of a special building as a side project (secret), but I can only work on high level design (except where I specialize). At most, I could present a concept and gain funding. The end design is up to professional consultants.
Fjaertorslovaark 9 months ago
Cyrus992: just do it. I have an engineering education, but I'm doing design work outside of my field (not as a licensed engineer, but as a designer). Legally, you can not be payed for consulting... but you can be an entrepreneur! Work on your ideas, LEARN what you need to learn, and present your ideas to engineering firms. At the very least, you'll find out what you're doing wrong. If you show potential, you might just earn a scholarship to an environmental design, urban planner, etc program.
Fjaertorslovaark 9 months ago
@Fjaertorslovaark
Okay here is what I am and will do:
Study independently online or reading alone, continue to practice, and then with the profits in the silver market, create a firm and designs to stand out in the real world..
Anything else please?
Cyrus992 9 months ago
You can have as much imagination as you want but without an education or a means to do it, it doesn't matter. I can say I wants a city completely run by walruses but that doesn't mean it can happen. And is all of this to look better for girls? You're showing off for them? I'm really confused by that whole part...
Joeboyoo 9 months ago
@Joeboyoo
That girl parts is to supposed to tackle down on how irrelevant and overrrated people like Justin Bieber are gettting all extra attention who will help them in the real world and instead they can give all of their support and flirts to me who is young, more attractive, and could make a better impact on their lives.
It about time where many our mindsets are focused into more rellevant people and ideas.
Cyrus992 9 months ago
that video is a stock pumpers dream
hwy9nightkid 9 months ago
Young people lack only one thing ... only one thing ... experience.
Just get out there and do it AND KEEP doing it until you wake up and realize you are experienced! :)
captvanhalen 9 months ago