There seems to be alot of boys with saxo syndrome here. My saxo is faster than anything on the road type bollocks. The civic is the better car all round. I have had a Jordan and own a VTi I have had VTS and VTR saxos and in nearly every way my honda's have been the much better cars.
Just to smooth out a few creases with Honda fanboys incorrectly arse chatting here... The Saxo VTS is a tiny bit quicker then a VTI off the mark from 0-60 but... the VTI has the upperhand on top speed. You need to look at parkers guys - VTS 0-60 7.5s top speed 125. VTi 0-60 7.9s top speed 130 (B16A2) VTi 0-60 8.0s top speed 140 (B18C) I rest my case...
@djseant1 ... ive seen vtr's that are quicker than 1.4 civics my friend! and my vts engined 205 xs is a bit quicker than vts's, and i know for a fact itll run circles around a 1.4 civic!
i have a sax vtr and a vti civic. both fun cars. saxo is fun when bmw's and taxi drivers think oh saxo lets shoot off at traffic lights and then end up eating dust also fun on countyr roads. but the build quality is admitily awful. civic is way more comfy and strong even when lowered and you do feel that bit more upper class when driving the civic. cant really compare speed seen as the saxo has 1.6 90bhp and my civic has 1.6 160bhp but saxo has fun low end torque and civic is great hi up rmp
first, saxo is the entry model of citroen, for the money it costs, nothing can beat it... second, get u a 400gt, a type41 or a veyron and say again french dont build quality... best and fastest cars in the world...
the chassis is made in italy, french and italian brands tolds everybody anyday how to make a chassis, btw why there are no vw etc etc in rally? after that, a saxo cost 3000euros, add 3000euro you got a saxo turbo, for 6000e, and you smoke everything on the roads from 0 to 200km/h... and on moutain roads, maybe an impreza or evo can follow you, nothin else...that make the saxo better, a 6000e car burning 60 000e cars on acceleration and corner speed...
people that like motorsport, from rc cars to acrobatic planes races...
rally, roads, may be different but a car is a car...and u can do rallies on the road, saxo being modified will up to 12000€ for 300+whp, so i dont think you can do that with other cars, dont forget vti is 160bhp, vts is 120, try 160 in the vts or take a 106gti, same thing but vmax is slightly highter. difference between saxo/civis is the services price+the vts engine can handle 300000km easy
There are no VW or Honda Civics in rally championships because they are competing in the touring car championships! Don't tell us that French & Italians make good decent chassis because they bloody well don't. Ive had 4 Fiats before I had my Seat Leon. The chassis strength & build quality on all of them might as well be made from a floppy pancake! I did drive my dads old Scenic before but I now drive his Citroen Xsara Picasso. The cornering on Shitroens is like a stack of cars on the roof...
... Its fine telling everyone that french & Italians make good chassis but thats only occasionally, they don't ALWAYS make a good chassis on everything they make... you only have to have previously owned 4 Fiats & still drive French cars to know that what you say is a load of crap! TheVtieg6 is right to say that Citroens fall apart because they do! Our Picassos a typical example of French build! Clutch bearings always go & gearboxes always miss a shift crunching! Ive been in a Saxo = same story
peugeot is in the tcc's too, and in wrx and in 24h le mans and on some others competitions, after that take ferrari, lamborghini, maserati, fiat, lancia, alfa romeo, citroen, hommel, venturi, renault, alpine... u got cars to do everything: race, go buy bread sunday morning...with a little 205gti, i take ur leon everywhere exept on highway if u got more than 160hp, if u got less i take u everywhere...citroen is done for cruising, not racemode,even rolls royce build these cars with citroen dampers
I wouldn't trade any VAG in for anything French built. I'm sticking to trusty old VAG I'm never buying any car that starts with the "F" word. Fiat, French, Ford. Ive had a taste of them all & they are shite
Ferrari starts with F and its perfect auto, vag... cars makes me laugh, need 180bhp to beat a 130bhp french car... get stuck to your toys, i get stuck with real thing, real power, real horses... stuck to that video : 160bhp vs 118bph... who win? 118 real bhp french car...everything's said...
Its not all about 118Bhp cars beating 160Bhp cars or 130Bhp cars leveling with 180Bhp cars. You call a Saxo a real thing with real power? Its a cramped little kids "toy" that weighs fuck all! Its built from recycled Indian/Chinese takeaway cartons thats the only reson why its quick. Its got no real horse power! 1. Some of us need 4 doors 2. Some of us like a big useful boot 3. Most of us prefer to survive after a crash. You can't get any of those 3 things out of a Saxo. I mean com'on...
its about 118 french bhp stock car, in front of a 160bhp other car until the 4th gear...knowing that the PSA cars are "straped" at exhaust and intake, you can easily get an extra 30bhp with about 1000€ without modifying the engine...on a 1.6 atmo... personaly i dont like the saxo design but its built from the pug 106 that i really like so i would say : its a little city car for 5 people with a hatch where you can put ur travel bags, a great engine to pass the 300 000kms and unbeatable frame
You can easily get an extra 30bhp from any engine without modifying the engine its-self. You can do it with T/Diesels even. "Its a city car for 5 people" yeah but thats with 2 adults in the front & 3 little kids in the back. You cannot fit 5 full adults & their luggage in a Saxo! My Leon can just about squeeze 5 adults in & its a bigger car ffs! So I don't think a cramped little Saxo is going to hold 5 adults & their travel bags somehow, Maybe in dreamland. But not in the real word.
with T/D? what you will make is only change the max value of the turbo pressure coded in the eprom of the car, so you got ur turbo spinning faster, btw u can do that on all turbos engines... not even D, and why injection turbo car owner dont do that? cuz they know modifying only that param will ruin the engine, its a jacky boy customisation from companies to take you 400/600 euros, nothing more nothing less, if you want ur engine to pass 200k km, dont do that for sure...
on most cars, the ratio is 100 euros = 1 more real reliable horsepower...
5 people not 2meters people not 5 americans i agree, but already done several time for little city travels, if everyone got 1bag, its possible, if u go with 3bags/person nope, city car remember... not travel/highway car in a leon we could fit 6 poeple...a saxo is a real pleasure to drive and it weigth nothing, on a mountain road the saxo smoke the leon, on highway the leon smoke the saxo, different cars for different jobs
@1ns4ne1d10t you again? if you hate french cars so much why do you keep watching videos of them? go back to revving mummy's shitty VAG diseasel on your drive.
@JTV84 You mean the "shitty" remapped 'Diseasel' which runs 280lb/ft and laughs at Honda Civic VTi 1.8 B18C's and 1.6 VTi B16A2's, Saxo VTS's, and any V6 2.5 ST24 to an MGZT 190? With fuel prices going up I know which one I'd rather have. With a diseasal at least you can drive how you want without panicking about fuel consumption dropping like a fly all the time. In anycase hows your Shitroen? Broken down yet? Or have you been waiting for the AA ever since we last spoke...
@1ns4ne1d10t if you must know, my shitroen is still going strong at 153000 miles with a nice 145lb/ft and 90% of that available all the way from 1800rpm to 7250rpm, just remind us how wide your power band is and how much of that peak torque is left after it's been through your ridiculously high ratio'd gearbox?
@JTV84 145lb/ft!? Is that some kind of a joke? An electric mobility scooter has more power then that. Can I remind you that your power is only on full tap after 3,500/4,000 revs not 2,000-7,250 because a petrol has hotter weaker exhaust gasses then a Diesel which increases power towards its maximum Bhp once the valves have all opened out. Try and throw yours in a low gear and overtake me, you will soon find out how my high ratio gearbox and short powerband leaves you going in reverse. Lol
@1ns4ne1d10t so are you an expert on citroen engines now? i just stated a FACT, that i have at least 120lb/ft from below 2000rpm to over 7000rpm. yes my peak horsepower comes at over 6000rpm because power is a product of torque and revs. and what's this shit about valves? they have the same duration and lift at any revs unless you have VTEC or similar.
@JTV84 I know a darn site more about engines and mechanical works then you will ever try to guess right in your lifetime chum(p) so I wouldn't even bother trying to talk me down with the shit chatting. Petrols lift at 2,000 - 3,500 and lift higher from from 3,500 - 6,000 because of stronger exhaust gas flow. If its a Vtec it has 3 cam lobes. It will lift from 2,000 - 3,500 - lift higher from 3,500 - 5,500 then break out in Vtec from 5,500 - 8,000 if its a VTi or 7,000 if its a Sport.
@1ns4ne1d10t and say for instance your car is geared twice as high as mine in a given gear, the effect of the torque in that gear will be halved, so you would have the equivalent of 140lb/ft, at least until you run out of steam at 4000rpm :-P
@JTV84 Go and annoy a driver in a CDTI 150 Astra or a TDI 150 Leon and watch how you won't keep up with its backside when it hits boost. Its called torque power its something French cars don't have. You can go to as many revs as you like in your shed, you won't catch a TDI on its boost. I can assure you the 4,000 revs and high gearage will never allow you to catch up and pass. The Diesels will disappear and leave you burning out your engine at 6,000 revs wondering where the hell its run off to.
@1ns4ne1d10t you're commenting on a video of two 1600cc petrol hatchbacks, nobody cares about your diesel. if you're so proud why don't you take it to the drag strip and post some videos of you beating standard NA petrol cars in your tuned up turbocharged diesel. then when you've proved what a big man you are down the straights try taking some corners.
@JTV84 Most of the time I don't annoy NA petrol cars because I'm not sad enough to do that. I have a life so I leave them alone. Its them that come up and try to drag me out because they all think "Its just a diesel". Mine slaps them right round the chops really hard where they don't expect it. The confusion on their face as to why a 1.9 diesel just beat them is epic. I'm very good chucking mine round an A-road, the heavy nose requires a bit of extra skill, but learn and you will be surprised.
@JTV84 Nope I don't even drink shandy to be honest, I drink diet coke a lot of the time when I go to the pub. Its because beer kills braincells. If it means I will end up anything like you then I am more then obliged to stay well away from it. Northerners are all neandathols thats why you lot own crap cars.
@JTV84 I know what they are even if I did make a mistake, besides I am using a touch screen phone (Something far too technologically advanced and revolutionary for Northerners) so this makes spelling mistakes far greater in probability. Did that cross your mind? Probably not...
Shitroen or Citroen - that is the only genuine spelling confusion I have these days. I'm not sure which one of those two is actually the correct name for the French-based company? Hmmmm I wonder...
@JTV84 You are so funny I quite like you. You are comedy its almost epic. Thing is no one will ever take advice off someone who owns a French car seriously. Its not a good example to set trying to out talk someone who knows a thing or two about motors against someone who clearly doesn't. What do you do all day eat bananas and swing on trees? Its usually what monkeys do. On the other hand you are also good fun to take the mickey out of... I like to have a laugh every so often.
@JTV84 Well why don't you learn something out of the information I kindly provided for you. That way you can turn a negative into a positive so seel free to copy from my example: Monkey see monkey do...
well i own both of them yep thats right! my civic vti has done 107K miles, and is 1995 model, my saxo vts, 62K miles, made in 1999 and despite the age and mileage my civic rinses it every time.
I have given keys to my dad/mates on many occasions and once the saxo caned ass, but that was purely down to shifting.. Cant say the saxo has been problem free like the civic either
In a Vtec you have to hit 5000rpm before the second camshaft kicks in, so therefore for the majority of the accelerating your doing, you would be only using 8 valves (therefore you won't be harnessing all 160bhp until you hit the "VTEC moment".
If a decent driver (who knew the VTEC system were to drive both cars, the Honda would be more likely to win, however foot to the floor to the limiter, shift, foot to the floor to the limiter, (EG Chav/Noob driving) the VTS would cream it all day.
@danhoare11 it uses 16 valves all the time, the VTEC cam lobe only holds the valves open longer, its actuated by an oil spool valve that opens and then lets a locking pin lock the 3 cam lobes together in the same position and thus uses the power cam instead of the economy cams.
@tenevmotorsport man a race on a highway is over when the cars reach 100% of their max speed and thats why the race takes part on hightway! dummy dummy :P
i own a civic and am yet to be beaten by a saxo vts or vtr, i'm not going to say they are shit cos for the money they are fun to drive apparently. but having said that it seems to be every chav and his hat that drives one. oh and hardcore aaron the jordan has a full leather interior which gives your car a little bit more of an advantage.
I love Honda's. But I gotta say the VTS is about the same pace. It just has better power per weoght ratio with the VTS. The civic is more fun to drive tho. All the way up to 8,200rpm..weeee :-) And as a rule, I hate french cars. Its well known they break easily.
lol i have a clio regularly serviced.... fucked diff and gearbox... electrics have minds ov their own... starter decided to commit suicide... and creaks like a whore... once its fixed im selling it and gettin another civic
FACTS vts is 1.6 16valve and produces 120 hp.......the vti is 1.6 16v and produces 160hp or an import produces 170hp....citreon is shocking. the only reason you beat a jordan is if he has a full car and ur on ur own or it ain't a jordan or a vti. a true vti with just you and him would hand your ass to you all day long. that is a fact. not opinion. got it
So why when i race vti's in my vts do i win??? I don't win all the time but i've beat most vti's i've raced. I beat a jordan the other night, but there is a black vti that always beats me so I don't know there about even in my humble opinion!
haha, check book speeds etc vts just edges the vti to 60. but not by the margin here the vti driver is just abit slow of the mark. yes i own a vts lol vtec looks like a portable toilet on wheels.
hmm could be a coupe or a sedan vti..it doesnt say..so in that case saxo wins cause its lighter But i would definately go for a civic..they might need some set up to handle good but they are wayyyyyy more reliable!
at the end of the day theres gonna be loads more civic h8ers than saxo h8ers on this page because almost everyone owns a saxo, this saxo is defo modified if u saxo owners do ur research ur find out the civic has a better 1/4 mile, 0-60mph time, 0-100mph time and 22bhp more in power to weight, FACT, THE SAXO IS A BETTER CAR IN HANDLING AND IS ABOUT 80KG LIGHTER, BUT THIS IS A STRAIGHT LINE SO THE SAXO IS MODDED OR THE CIVIC IS KNACKERED.
No doubt about it the civic is a faster car in a straight line, Although personally i'd prefer the saxo on most trackdays being the lighter of the two.
I really dont understand why you all come on here insulting each other over a car race.
The guy driving the civic pulls of in the wrong gear and fucks up a gear change hence why the saxo was made to look faster when in fact it isnt.
this driver in the civic is shit! if u pull off wen your below 5500 rpm it wont get anywhere! and sort the gear changes out there shit! shouldnt loose to a vts
lol loads of comments from muppets on this, for a start the power difference between the cars means fuck all, the civic is heavy and the saxo is light, theres also gearing and many other factors, the vts is slightly quicker but not by much.fact.
saxo vts: 7.7 sec 0-100 km/h that is pretty good for "only" 120 hp..the weight is about 930kg..but i must say, the vti driver doesn't use his motor in right way ;)
Indeed the vti driver needs to do some studying...Firstly he doesn't shift right,secondly he starts on 2nd gear,its obvious that vti has an advantage at high rpm,there's no point stepping on it below 5.000...
wot the fuck is it with the honda driver?? my friends both have the vti with the b16a engine an they both wipe the shit all over saxo vts's. this guy needs to go to driving school, i mean wots up with the gear change?? RETARD!!
this is the portuguese version of saxo. The saxo cup, with 1.6 cc and 120 bhp stock. THe civic is a 1.6 cc with 160 bhp stock. This is saxo has many mods though and is quite fast until it hits 5th gear, at around 180 km/h.
a 5branch? u mean a 4branch. are you another chav who thinks a bit of shiny metal is the only way to make a car faster? that civic needs a vtec controller! and its actually shocking how many saxo's are faster than the vti's, but at the end of the day, its a french peice of shit that is made of cardboard. my mates civic sir with lsd ripped so many vts's off
no offence guys but non of you seem to know much about these cars. Non of you have even mentioned the fact that the saxo turns out over 15 bhp/ton more that the civic and has a lower drag factor as well adding to its likelyhood of winning a drag race to say about 100mph after which mr vti will probably screech into to the lead to a top speed only marginally higher.
adriandavis3 u obviously dont hav a clue about these cars either, check it out: saxo vts 117bhp, 0-60 8.2, 0-100 24.3, 115bhp/ton, 1/4 mile 16.4, honda civic vti 160bhp, 0-60 7.3, 0-100 21.2, 148bhp/ton, 1/4 mile 15.08, saxo vts top speed: 127mph, civic vti top speed: 132mph, either that civic is knackered or that saxo is tuned, adriandavis4 u really r a plonker, and if anyone thinks those stats r wrong trust me they r NOT.
nah m8 they hav a maximum output of 118.6bhp, 0-60mph times do vary from 7.6 to 8.6 seconds but ive seen numerous tests they vary but usually they end up at around 8.2 seconds, ive been in both cars before and the civic is quicker i reckon this saxo is tuned, theres a 3 second difference to 100mph which is a lot (in standard form) in racing terms, so my guess would be that this saxo is pushing 145 maybe 150bhp to beat this civic in a staight line.
lol your the idiot, for a start the vts is 120bhp and is 7.5 to 60. they are very close cars in terms of speed but the saxo driver in this video is obv better hense why he won everytime.
I think u should do ur research before calling me an idiot the max output for a saxo vts is 118.6 bhp and the 0-60mph time 8.2 secs, ur the idiot plus the 3 second gap to a 100mph, manafacturers most of the time put there bhp statistics to the nearest straight figures, just like the mg zr 105 which is said to have 105 bhp when it only has 103.8 bhp, do ur research asshole.
another think they no it all motorhead get a fuckin life man, more like citroens official bullshit figures, book figures alot of the time are wrong on performance stats, ive seen loads of tests on the saxo vts so dont lecture me dickhead,
max output: 118.6 ps (118.0 bhp) (87.2 kW) @6600RPM
u also didnt read what i said about manafacturers keeping there bhp stats most of the time to straight figures, and another thing first of all u said 7.5 was the 0-60 time for the saxo then u say 7.6 (WTF) if ur so clever get it right, ur obv a person that doesnt no a thing about cars, and this is about 2 cars and the civic is faster end of.
lol, i said 7.5 to round it off as 0.1 is almost not important, and the fact i know about 3 people with vts's and have had them all pull times alot less than 8 secs, ur just a civic gimp that bums vtec.
u no what i thought ud say that caus ur such an immature shit, i dont own either the civic or the saxo, wow 3 of ur mates own saxos just goes to show what a common piece of crap they are, fuckin grow up there not quick cars, using the same old excuse MY MATES HAVE GOT UNDER 8 SECS IN THERE VTS (LOL) I KNEW UD SAY THAT ASWELL, probably with some engine mods but not standard, i suppose ur like 8 years old and watched to many fast and furious movies (lol).
guitaradam what u on about the civic doesnt kick in till 5600rpm they had to both change gear a couple of times so y did the civic not go flying by then i think u mean game over for civic dunno what it is but people can not see that the saxo is a fast car for its engine
The DOHC vtec on the VTi's means that initially from a stand still their acceleration isn't as quick as some cars, as the VTEC doesn't kick in until 5600rpm - thats why you can see the saxo pulling away to start with. As soon as civic hits its power band, game-over to Saxo. SOHC civic has faster inital acceleration
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the vti loses cause it's a stock vti vs a tuned vts saxo..drop 4 JE high comp pistons and type r cams in that vti and then bye bye saxo..i agree..v tech rules!
I have a civic 1.8 vti and believe me i have smoked saxo's and left them for shit, I wish i recorded the race i had with steve he couldnt believe his car lost against a 1.8 VTI!!!!, the guys who say Civic VTI are slow are just jelous!!, VTEC RULZZ BABY!!
the VTI is not standard,any brain cells would tell you its not,listen to it and the VTS has better low 2 mid range power were as a VTI are dead before the VTEC and thats a fact,1.6 VTI's are nippy not fast, the type R is a fast car!
You're both idiots. Both cars are crap, and you should be arrested for racing on public roads. It's knobs like you that make insurance premiums so high, and result in people with proper cars having to pay more. They're both slow. Get proper cars and grow up.
No but ive heard lots of people say their isn't a faster 1.6 than the VTI and that sort of thing but thats not the first vid ive seen of a 1.6 saxo beating one.
Iv raced many saxo's in my civic 1.4I, my civic has catback exhaust system and also a custom made induction kit, iv blown saxo's apart, for this saxo to beat the VTI clearly shows its not standard. Civics Rule, they dont break like the french, Nice Race by da way lol
89 BHP STD plus cat back 115 Max plus induction 120 maximum HP you will have... Standard VTR you will beat, VTS put out 120 Std so you aint catching it. A vtr 99 onwards is 99bhp std with the same exhaust and induction kit as most have you are in the same boat.
About105 tru say but trus me iv beaten afew vts's, just remember its not always da car, da drivers makes a diff, my mate had a vts pushin 145 break and he had me in 1st but 2nd n 3rd i had him and im only drivin a 1.4,i rate saxo's as dey r nippy but iv also driven a vti and dey r quicker, if you wanna mod a vts up then pitch up against a civic SIR2,, SIR2 will destroy a vts/vti , abou105 wat ya drivin, u seem 2 no ur shit
I drive an 03 Focus ST, its stripped down to 1000kg, its no type R killer granted but im just waiting till i can afford insurance on one of the new STs
my vtr with cams, 4-2-1 manifold, chipped, s/s exhaust, viper air filter struggles to keep up with my mates standard civic vti, so im guessin that vts has had work done to it
There seems to be alot of boys with saxo syndrome here. My saxo is faster than anything on the road type bollocks. The civic is the better car all round. I have had a Jordan and own a VTi I have had VTS and VTR saxos and in nearly every way my honda's have been the much better cars.
megaman2000 8 months ago
Just to smooth out a few creases with Honda fanboys incorrectly arse chatting here... The Saxo VTS is a tiny bit quicker then a VTI off the mark from 0-60 but... the VTI has the upperhand on top speed. You need to look at parkers guys - VTS 0-60 7.5s top speed 125. VTi 0-60 7.9s top speed 130 (B16A2) VTi 0-60 8.0s top speed 140 (B18C) I rest my case...
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
Ofc the vti will win stock vs stock... It as extra 40 HP ...
basueira 1 year ago
Seriously people a VTI would beat a VTS, and thats all there is to it!!!!
gaaahhhhh 1 year ago
i know a wtr would win against a 1.4 civic read the original comment!
djseant1 1 year ago
No vtec crossover so doubt its a vti! Thje civic done well for a 1.4!
djseant1 1 year ago
@djseant1 ... ive seen vtr's that are quicker than 1.4 civics my friend! and my vts engined 205 xs is a bit quicker than vts's, and i know for a fact itll run circles around a 1.4 civic!
stiggywiggywoo 1 year ago
@stiggywiggywoo la VTI c'est un 1.6L mais tu n'y connais rien c'est pas ta faute ;)
cycyetriri 1 year ago
o cup quando ve ke vai ser autropassado trava
azeiteiros do caralho
vtec power!
pedroalextiago 1 year ago
i have a sax vtr and a vti civic. both fun cars. saxo is fun when bmw's and taxi drivers think oh saxo lets shoot off at traffic lights and then end up eating dust also fun on countyr roads. but the build quality is admitily awful. civic is way more comfy and strong even when lowered and you do feel that bit more upper class when driving the civic. cant really compare speed seen as the saxo has 1.6 90bhp and my civic has 1.6 160bhp but saxo has fun low end torque and civic is great hi up rmp
256001 2 years ago
vts is a beast!!
french shit my ass.
try drive one
gooniegoogoo23 2 years ago
il say it again SAXO's are SHIT
oldboi1 2 years ago
saxo's are french tho lol no build quality at all lol fuck off
oldboi1 2 years ago
first, saxo is the entry model of citroen, for the money it costs, nothing can beat it... second, get u a 400gt, a type41 or a veyron and say again french dont build quality... best and fastest cars in the world...
quik4ever 2 years ago
veyron german lol
256001 2 years ago
veyron french: built in france, french brand...end of storie
quik4ever 2 years ago
quik4ever
The Veyron might be French but the engine is from Germany
But i dont understand how that can make a Saxo look good? lol
TheVtieg6 2 years ago
Bugatti stays French even if you buy chineese tires...
quik4ever 2 years ago
quik4ever
Not when the chassis was based on a VW concept
But that still doesnt make the Saxo any better.
TheVtieg6 2 years ago
the chassis is made in italy, french and italian brands tolds everybody anyday how to make a chassis, btw why there are no vw etc etc in rally? after that, a saxo cost 3000euros, add 3000euro you got a saxo turbo, for 6000e, and you smoke everything on the roads from 0 to 200km/h... and on moutain roads, maybe an impreza or evo can follow you, nothin else...that make the saxo better, a 6000e car burning 60 000e cars on acceleration and corner speed...
quik4ever 2 years ago 2
quik4ever
Who gives a shit about rally?
Were talking about road cars cus rally cars are completely different.
Im not doubting Saxos are quick cus i know they are but there not as quick as Civic VTIs.
Your point about Saxo being modified to beat other cars applies to everycar
Difference between the Saxo and Civic is the Civic wont fall apart.
Yes
TheVtieg6 2 years ago
"Who gives a shit about rally?"
people that like motorsport, from rc cars to acrobatic planes races...
rally, roads, may be different but a car is a car...and u can do rallies on the road, saxo being modified will up to 12000€ for 300+whp, so i dont think you can do that with other cars, dont forget vti is 160bhp, vts is 120, try 160 in the vts or take a 106gti, same thing but vmax is slightly highter. difference between saxo/civis is the services price+the vts engine can handle 300000km easy
quik4ever 2 years ago 2
@quik4ever are you telling me that the citroen engine can take more than the honda engine!
megaman2000 1 year ago
There are no VW or Honda Civics in rally championships because they are competing in the touring car championships! Don't tell us that French & Italians make good decent chassis because they bloody well don't. Ive had 4 Fiats before I had my Seat Leon. The chassis strength & build quality on all of them might as well be made from a floppy pancake! I did drive my dads old Scenic before but I now drive his Citroen Xsara Picasso. The cornering on Shitroens is like a stack of cars on the roof...
1ns4ne1d10t 2 years ago
... Its fine telling everyone that french & Italians make good chassis but thats only occasionally, they don't ALWAYS make a good chassis on everything they make... you only have to have previously owned 4 Fiats & still drive French cars to know that what you say is a load of crap! TheVtieg6 is right to say that Citroens fall apart because they do! Our Picassos a typical example of French build! Clutch bearings always go & gearboxes always miss a shift crunching! Ive been in a Saxo = same story
1ns4ne1d10t 2 years ago
peugeot is in the tcc's too, and in wrx and in 24h le mans and on some others competitions, after that take ferrari, lamborghini, maserati, fiat, lancia, alfa romeo, citroen, hommel, venturi, renault, alpine... u got cars to do everything: race, go buy bread sunday morning...with a little 205gti, i take ur leon everywhere exept on highway if u got more than 160hp, if u got less i take u everywhere...citroen is done for cruising, not racemode,even rolls royce build these cars with citroen dampers
quik4ever 2 years ago
I wouldn't trade any VAG in for anything French built. I'm sticking to trusty old VAG I'm never buying any car that starts with the "F" word. Fiat, French, Ford. Ive had a taste of them all & they are shite
1ns4ne1d10t 2 years ago
Ferrari starts with F and its perfect auto, vag... cars makes me laugh, need 180bhp to beat a 130bhp french car... get stuck to your toys, i get stuck with real thing, real power, real horses... stuck to that video : 160bhp vs 118bph... who win? 118 real bhp french car...everything's said...
quik4ever 2 years ago
Its not all about 118Bhp cars beating 160Bhp cars or 130Bhp cars leveling with 180Bhp cars. You call a Saxo a real thing with real power? Its a cramped little kids "toy" that weighs fuck all! Its built from recycled Indian/Chinese takeaway cartons thats the only reson why its quick. Its got no real horse power! 1. Some of us need 4 doors 2. Some of us like a big useful boot 3. Most of us prefer to survive after a crash. You can't get any of those 3 things out of a Saxo. I mean com'on...
1ns4ne1d10t 2 years ago
its about 118 french bhp stock car, in front of a 160bhp other car until the 4th gear...knowing that the PSA cars are "straped" at exhaust and intake, you can easily get an extra 30bhp with about 1000€ without modifying the engine...on a 1.6 atmo... personaly i dont like the saxo design but its built from the pug 106 that i really like so i would say : its a little city car for 5 people with a hatch where you can put ur travel bags, a great engine to pass the 300 000kms and unbeatable frame
quik4ever 2 years ago
You can easily get an extra 30bhp from any engine without modifying the engine its-self. You can do it with T/Diesels even. "Its a city car for 5 people" yeah but thats with 2 adults in the front & 3 little kids in the back. You cannot fit 5 full adults & their luggage in a Saxo! My Leon can just about squeeze 5 adults in & its a bigger car ffs! So I don't think a cramped little Saxo is going to hold 5 adults & their travel bags somehow, Maybe in dreamland. But not in the real word.
1ns4ne1d10t 2 years ago
with T/D? what you will make is only change the max value of the turbo pressure coded in the eprom of the car, so you got ur turbo spinning faster, btw u can do that on all turbos engines... not even D, and why injection turbo car owner dont do that? cuz they know modifying only that param will ruin the engine, its a jacky boy customisation from companies to take you 400/600 euros, nothing more nothing less, if you want ur engine to pass 200k km, dont do that for sure...
quik4ever 2 years ago
on most cars, the ratio is 100 euros = 1 more real reliable horsepower...
5 people not 2meters people not 5 americans i agree, but already done several time for little city travels, if everyone got 1bag, its possible, if u go with 3bags/person nope, city car remember... not travel/highway car in a leon we could fit 6 poeple...a saxo is a real pleasure to drive and it weigth nothing, on a mountain road the saxo smoke the leon, on highway the leon smoke the saxo, different cars for different jobs
quik4ever 2 years ago
@1ns4ne1d10t you again? if you hate french cars so much why do you keep watching videos of them? go back to revving mummy's shitty VAG diseasel on your drive.
JTV84 11 months ago
@JTV84 You mean the "shitty" remapped 'Diseasel' which runs 280lb/ft and laughs at Honda Civic VTi 1.8 B18C's and 1.6 VTi B16A2's, Saxo VTS's, and any V6 2.5 ST24 to an MGZT 190? With fuel prices going up I know which one I'd rather have. With a diseasal at least you can drive how you want without panicking about fuel consumption dropping like a fly all the time. In anycase hows your Shitroen? Broken down yet? Or have you been waiting for the AA ever since we last spoke...
1ns4ne1d10t 11 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t if you must know, my shitroen is still going strong at 153000 miles with a nice 145lb/ft and 90% of that available all the way from 1800rpm to 7250rpm, just remind us how wide your power band is and how much of that peak torque is left after it's been through your ridiculously high ratio'd gearbox?
JTV84 10 months ago
@JTV84 145lb/ft!? Is that some kind of a joke? An electric mobility scooter has more power then that. Can I remind you that your power is only on full tap after 3,500/4,000 revs not 2,000-7,250 because a petrol has hotter weaker exhaust gasses then a Diesel which increases power towards its maximum Bhp once the valves have all opened out. Try and throw yours in a low gear and overtake me, you will soon find out how my high ratio gearbox and short powerband leaves you going in reverse. Lol
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t so are you an expert on citroen engines now? i just stated a FACT, that i have at least 120lb/ft from below 2000rpm to over 7000rpm. yes my peak horsepower comes at over 6000rpm because power is a product of torque and revs. and what's this shit about valves? they have the same duration and lift at any revs unless you have VTEC or similar.
JTV84 10 months ago
@JTV84 I know a darn site more about engines and mechanical works then you will ever try to guess right in your lifetime chum(p) so I wouldn't even bother trying to talk me down with the shit chatting. Petrols lift at 2,000 - 3,500 and lift higher from from 3,500 - 6,000 because of stronger exhaust gas flow. If its a Vtec it has 3 cam lobes. It will lift from 2,000 - 3,500 - lift higher from 3,500 - 5,500 then break out in Vtec from 5,500 - 8,000 if its a VTi or 7,000 if its a Sport.
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t and say for instance your car is geared twice as high as mine in a given gear, the effect of the torque in that gear will be halved, so you would have the equivalent of 140lb/ft, at least until you run out of steam at 4000rpm :-P
JTV84 10 months ago
@JTV84 Go and annoy a driver in a CDTI 150 Astra or a TDI 150 Leon and watch how you won't keep up with its backside when it hits boost. Its called torque power its something French cars don't have. You can go to as many revs as you like in your shed, you won't catch a TDI on its boost. I can assure you the 4,000 revs and high gearage will never allow you to catch up and pass. The Diesels will disappear and leave you burning out your engine at 6,000 revs wondering where the hell its run off to.
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t you're commenting on a video of two 1600cc petrol hatchbacks, nobody cares about your diesel. if you're so proud why don't you take it to the drag strip and post some videos of you beating standard NA petrol cars in your tuned up turbocharged diesel. then when you've proved what a big man you are down the straights try taking some corners.
JTV84 10 months ago
@JTV84 Most of the time I don't annoy NA petrol cars because I'm not sad enough to do that. I have a life so I leave them alone. Its them that come up and try to drag me out because they all think "Its just a diesel". Mine slaps them right round the chops really hard where they don't expect it. The confusion on their face as to why a 1.9 diesel just beat them is epic. I'm very good chucking mine round an A-road, the heavy nose requires a bit of extra skill, but learn and you will be surprised.
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t good for you. it's a shame you're a southern shandy drinker so i'll probably never see you out on the roads
JTV84 10 months ago
@JTV84 Nope I don't even drink shandy to be honest, I drink diet coke a lot of the time when I go to the pub. Its because beer kills braincells. If it means I will end up anything like you then I am more then obliged to stay well away from it. Northerners are all neandathols thats why you lot own crap cars.
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t well that diet coke must be killing your brain cells if you can't even spell neanderthal
JTV84 10 months ago
@JTV84 I know what they are even if I did make a mistake, besides I am using a touch screen phone (Something far too technologically advanced and revolutionary for Northerners) so this makes spelling mistakes far greater in probability. Did that cross your mind? Probably not...
Shitroen or Citroen - that is the only genuine spelling confusion I have these days. I'm not sure which one of those two is actually the correct name for the French-based company? Hmmmm I wonder...
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@JTV84 You are so funny I quite like you. You are comedy its almost epic. Thing is no one will ever take advice off someone who owns a French car seriously. Its not a good example to set trying to out talk someone who knows a thing or two about motors against someone who clearly doesn't. What do you do all day eat bananas and swing on trees? Its usually what monkeys do. On the other hand you are also good fun to take the mickey out of... I like to have a laugh every so often.
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t funny how you know so much and yet you have to resort to babbling on about monkeys, i think your user name describes you quite well.
JTV84 10 months ago
@JTV84 Well why don't you learn something out of the information I kindly provided for you. That way you can turn a negative into a positive so seel free to copy from my example: Monkey see monkey do...
1ns4ne1d10t 10 months ago
@quik4ever it's italian.....
megaman2000 1 year ago
Well i thought that was a great race!! I like the way the the civic keeps in the vts streamline ha ha.
Clio sport is the best hot hatch for money though!!
vertine11 2 years ago
your VTI is died...
or the VTS isn't stock... and learn to shift man !!
bad vidéo that don't say the true...
polexracingteam 3 years ago
I own a vts and i can say it pisses on vti all day long, raced a vti and also a jordan and hey none of them beat me
s9olo 3 years ago
Stock for stock a VTI will trash it.
rehmant 3 years ago 8
well i own both of them yep thats right! my civic vti has done 107K miles, and is 1995 model, my saxo vts, 62K miles, made in 1999 and despite the age and mileage my civic rinses it every time.
I have given keys to my dad/mates on many occasions and once the saxo caned ass, but that was purely down to shifting.. Cant say the saxo has been problem free like the civic either
stuntcrazy8 2 years ago
nice... now get rid of the saxo n put the money into the civic lol
d0g0k 2 years ago
vtec geçeceği zaman neden hep arkadaşım frene basıyor ki acaba
mkaya90 3 years ago
In a Vtec you have to hit 5000rpm before the second camshaft kicks in, so therefore for the majority of the accelerating your doing, you would be only using 8 valves (therefore you won't be harnessing all 160bhp until you hit the "VTEC moment".
If a decent driver (who knew the VTEC system were to drive both cars, the Honda would be more likely to win, however foot to the floor to the limiter, shift, foot to the floor to the limiter, (EG Chav/Noob driving) the VTS would cream it all day.
danhoare11 3 years ago
the vtec engines run on 16 valves all the time,
vtec engines have 3 lobes on each cam for each cylinder, and the 3rd cam (which is larger and longer) is only activated when vtec is engaged.
The technology of turning on the other 2 valves was last used in the 1983 honda cbr400 ( a ledgendary bike!!!)
stuntcrazy8 2 years ago
@danhoare11 it uses 16 valves all the time, the VTEC cam lobe only holds the valves open longer, its actuated by an oil spool valve that opens and then lets a locking pin lock the 3 cam lobes together in the same position and thus uses the power cam instead of the economy cams.
megaman2000 1 year ago
lol you see in both races citroen was braking when the honda was reaching...
when you start a race you must finish it,you cant just press the breaks and end it that way!
vts gayness! >:(
tsontaboy 3 years ago 4
@tsontaboy can you tell me how long will be a "RACE" on a highway LOL you dummy
tenevmotorsport 1 year ago
@tenevmotorsport man a race on a highway is over when the cars reach 100% of their max speed and thats why the race takes part on hightway! dummy dummy :P
tsontaboy 11 months ago
@tsontaboy Bullshit
tenevmotorsport 11 months ago
i own a civic and am yet to be beaten by a saxo vts or vtr, i'm not going to say they are shit cos for the money they are fun to drive apparently. but having said that it seems to be every chav and his hat that drives one. oh and hardcore aaron the jordan has a full leather interior which gives your car a little bit more of an advantage.
B4leno 3 years ago
nice video! xD W
Kooleman 3 years ago
I love Honda's. But I gotta say the VTS is about the same pace. It just has better power per weoght ratio with the VTS. The civic is more fun to drive tho. All the way up to 8,200rpm..weeee :-) And as a rule, I hate french cars. Its well known they break easily.
GTAP08 3 years ago 3
french cars=unbreakable when services done... people talk too much to say shit... more than 1000kg=no fun...
venturi
bugatti
french rules...
quik4ever 3 years ago
lol i have a clio regularly serviced.... fucked diff and gearbox... electrics have minds ov their own... starter decided to commit suicide... and creaks like a whore... once its fixed im selling it and gettin another civic
d0g0k 2 years ago
i do think that saxo is tuned upo to around 150 bhp i can match a 185bhp glanza turbo in my leon tdi!!
i leave vts for dead and beat the jordan civic but not by as much as that saxo its been tweaked for sure
strugers111111 3 years ago
ganda lata,o cup quando vai ser mamado trava,lololol
manel444 3 years ago
FACTS vts is 1.6 16valve and produces 120 hp.......the vti is 1.6 16v and produces 160hp or an import produces 170hp....citreon is shocking. the only reason you beat a jordan is if he has a full car and ur on ur own or it ain't a jordan or a vti. a true vti with just you and him would hand your ass to you all day long. that is a fact. not opinion. got it
tophermonkey 3 years ago 2
So why when i race vti's in my vts do i win??? I don't win all the time but i've beat most vti's i've raced. I beat a jordan the other night, but there is a black vti that always beats me so I don't know there about even in my humble opinion!
hardcoreaaron 3 years ago
la civic intanto era una sesta serie, niente a che vedere con la serie precedente.
alexxx44 3 years ago
o saxo para kuando o honda o ta a passar...
amok111 4 years ago
saxo tokatlamış :D
FuRkAn1325 4 years ago
saxos are smaller compared to civics
peeman112 4 years ago
da civic driver is shit
ImmzVtec 4 years ago
one sugar in mine thanks.......
thicky7ern 4 years ago
haha, check book speeds etc vts just edges the vti to 60. but not by the margin here the vti driver is just abit slow of the mark. yes i own a vts lol vtec looks like a portable toilet on wheels.
aran2k7 4 years ago
hmm could be a coupe or a sedan vti..it doesnt say..so in that case saxo wins cause its lighter But i would definately go for a civic..they might need some set up to handle good but they are wayyyyyy more reliable!
panoulis20 4 years ago
vts destroys all.
numba1drummab01 4 years ago
this vts was No way! racing a Vti dohc! if it was saxo would be left behind eating dust
ozzie786 4 years ago
No it wouldn't, vts's beat vti's all the time.
hardcoreaaron 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAH do they Helll, dream on, that aint happenin, sorry to say,
ozzie786 3 years ago
well watever the saxo won so THAT vts is faster than THAT civic.
a10plane 4 years ago
at the end of the day theres gonna be loads more civic h8ers than saxo h8ers on this page because almost everyone owns a saxo, this saxo is defo modified if u saxo owners do ur research ur find out the civic has a better 1/4 mile, 0-60mph time, 0-100mph time and 22bhp more in power to weight, FACT, THE SAXO IS A BETTER CAR IN HANDLING AND IS ABOUT 80KG LIGHTER, BUT THIS IS A STRAIGHT LINE SO THE SAXO IS MODDED OR THE CIVIC IS KNACKERED.
freshjive818 4 years ago
Haha so ein blödsinn!!
Sind ja nicht die drehzahlen vom vti. unter 4000 tut sich eh nichts beim vti. und das waren sicher keine 4000. sonst nüsse chance für den saxo.
buelentsaglam 4 years ago
No doubt about it the civic is a faster car in a straight line, Although personally i'd prefer the saxo on most trackdays being the lighter of the two.
I really dont understand why you all come on here insulting each other over a car race.
The guy driving the civic pulls of in the wrong gear and fucks up a gear change hence why the saxo was made to look faster when in fact it isnt.
wils35 4 years ago
this driver in the civic is shit! if u pull off wen your below 5500 rpm it wont get anywhere! and sort the gear changes out there shit! shouldnt loose to a vts
civicmike01 4 years ago
its all about the VTS !!
olen123 4 years ago
the VTS is the faster car dickheads . deal with it.
murphyovbolton 4 years ago
no its not the civics are quicker just a shit driver
jason21jburg 4 years ago
vts ftw
vtsrobbo 4 years ago
freshjive818 is a nob, saxo ftw
dannystoneyman 4 years ago
another civic has been owned..
up the saxo lol..
Sax-p is the place to be..
98silvervts 4 years ago
bloody japs sax p is the shizzle ma nizzle!
bob1234123412341234 4 years ago
lol loads of comments from muppets on this, for a start the power difference between the cars means fuck all, the civic is heavy and the saxo is light, theres also gearing and many other factors, the vts is slightly quicker but not by much.fact.
b0t13 4 years ago
agreed.
djrem 4 years ago
saxo vts: 7.7 sec 0-100 km/h that is pretty good for "only" 120 hp..the weight is about 930kg..but i must say, the vti driver doesn't use his motor in right way ;)
MaximRussian1 4 years ago
Indeed the vti driver needs to do some studying...Firstly he doesn't shift right,secondly he starts on 2nd gear,its obvious that vti has an advantage at high rpm,there's no point stepping on it below 5.000...
jimvtecgreece 4 years ago
jap crap got owned end of.
JoNnY0702 4 years ago
wot the fuck is it with the honda driver?? my friends both have the vti with the b16a engine an they both wipe the shit all over saxo vts's. this guy needs to go to driving school, i mean wots up with the gear change?? RETARD!!
cubankingo 4 years ago
its not much of a race, the vts ruins it tbh.
thekopistop 4 years ago
he even had the advantage of the drag behind the vts and still couldnt get it hahaha saxo rules ;)
fivelighters 4 years ago
ither way civics corsa nova's anythin better than a fukin saxo they allways spotty teens drivin em init gay civic all the way !!
oldboi1 4 years ago
this is the portuguese version of saxo. The saxo cup, with 1.6 cc and 120 bhp stock. THe civic is a 1.6 cc with 160 bhp stock. This is saxo has many mods though and is quite fast until it hits 5th gear, at around 180 km/h.
cadaveresquisito 4 years ago
What an asshole. You can even make out the Reg on the shitroen saxo, if the police gave a toss they could have him, but the don't.
JakeCop 4 years ago
a 5branch? u mean a 4branch. are you another chav who thinks a bit of shiny metal is the only way to make a car faster? that civic needs a vtec controller! and its actually shocking how many saxo's are faster than the vti's, but at the end of the day, its a french peice of shit that is made of cardboard. my mates civic sir with lsd ripped so many vts's off
trialsride 4 years ago
saxo`s are a pile of shit, they aint fast, they`re crap!!
billyjo767676 4 years ago
u nob head freshjive818
jordjam 4 years ago
also the civic has a maximum output of 162.2bhp @ 7,600rpm. max torque is 150.3NM. 145.4NM of torque for the saxo.
freshjive818 4 years ago
whats the insurance group on a vti
jordjam 4 years ago
i think its insurance group 16.
freshjive818 4 years ago
thats a shit civic,if it had a 5branch and a staight through the civic would have won
bludyblade 4 years ago
iki kalkıstada saxo civic yaklasmaya baslayınca frene baslıyo ;) vti her turlu alır.. ayrıca standart denıyo saxoyada pek ole gorunmuyor.
DESTEKTER 4 years ago
flat out the honda wud have won! the saxo is just lighter!
bluehef101 4 years ago 2
no offence guys but non of you seem to know much about these cars. Non of you have even mentioned the fact that the saxo turns out over 15 bhp/ton more that the civic and has a lower drag factor as well adding to its likelyhood of winning a drag race to say about 100mph after which mr vti will probably screech into to the lead to a top speed only marginally higher.
adriandavis3 4 years ago
adriandavis3 u obviously dont hav a clue about these cars either, check it out: saxo vts 117bhp, 0-60 8.2, 0-100 24.3, 115bhp/ton, 1/4 mile 16.4, honda civic vti 160bhp, 0-60 7.3, 0-100 21.2, 148bhp/ton, 1/4 mile 15.08, saxo vts top speed: 127mph, civic vti top speed: 132mph, either that civic is knackered or that saxo is tuned, adriandavis4 u really r a plonker, and if anyone thinks those stats r wrong trust me they r NOT.
freshjive818 4 years ago
vts have 130bhp p/ton 0to60 7.6
jordjam 4 years ago
nah m8 they hav a maximum output of 118.6bhp, 0-60mph times do vary from 7.6 to 8.6 seconds but ive seen numerous tests they vary but usually they end up at around 8.2 seconds, ive been in both cars before and the civic is quicker i reckon this saxo is tuned, theres a 3 second difference to 100mph which is a lot (in standard form) in racing terms, so my guess would be that this saxo is pushing 145 maybe 150bhp to beat this civic in a staight line.
freshjive818 4 years ago
fresh your a cock!! fuck off!
punkindrublic2008 3 years ago
only an immature saxo owner would say that, u no im right thats why ur so pissed!!!!!! get a fuckin life!!!!!!
freshjive818 3 years ago
lol your the idiot, for a start the vts is 120bhp and is 7.5 to 60. they are very close cars in terms of speed but the saxo driver in this video is obv better hense why he won everytime.
b0t13 4 years ago
I think u should do ur research before calling me an idiot the max output for a saxo vts is 118.6 bhp and the 0-60mph time 8.2 secs, ur the idiot plus the 3 second gap to a 100mph, manafacturers most of the time put there bhp statistics to the nearest straight figures, just like the mg zr 105 which is said to have 105 bhp when it only has 103.8 bhp, do ur research asshole.
freshjive818 4 years ago
VALVES: 16
POWER: 120bhp
TORQUE: 107 lb-ft
STANDARD TRANSMISSION: 5-speed manual
MAXIMUM SPEED: 127mph
0-60: 7.6 seconds
AVERAGE FUEL ECONOMY: 33mpg
official book figures. dick.
b0t13 4 years ago
another think they no it all motorhead get a fuckin life man, more like citroens official bullshit figures, book figures alot of the time are wrong on performance stats, ive seen loads of tests on the saxo vts so dont lecture me dickhead,
max output: 118.6 ps (118.0 bhp) (87.2 kW) @6600RPM
max torque: 145.0nm (107 bft) (14.kgm) @5200rpm
specific torque 91.37 nm/litre
0-60mph: 8.2 secs
1/4 mile: 16.20 secs
top speed: 205 kmh
power to weight: 125.13bhp/ton
freshjive818 4 years ago
u also didnt read what i said about manafacturers keeping there bhp stats most of the time to straight figures, and another thing first of all u said 7.5 was the 0-60 time for the saxo then u say 7.6 (WTF) if ur so clever get it right, ur obv a person that doesnt no a thing about cars, and this is about 2 cars and the civic is faster end of.
freshjive818 4 years ago
lol, i said 7.5 to round it off as 0.1 is almost not important, and the fact i know about 3 people with vts's and have had them all pull times alot less than 8 secs, ur just a civic gimp that bums vtec.
b0t13 4 years ago
u no what i thought ud say that caus ur such an immature shit, i dont own either the civic or the saxo, wow 3 of ur mates own saxos just goes to show what a common piece of crap they are, fuckin grow up there not quick cars, using the same old excuse MY MATES HAVE GOT UNDER 8 SECS IN THERE VTS (LOL) I KNEW UD SAY THAT ASWELL, probably with some engine mods but not standard, i suppose ur like 8 years old and watched to many fast and furious movies (lol).
freshjive818 4 years ago
I have to agree with what he is saying, alot of saxo drivers do think because the car is red its a ferrari, also the new c2 vts are just as crap
jason21jburg 4 years ago 2
OMG! How is that vts takin that vti out, its deffinatly the driver!
ozzie786 4 years ago
ne derlerse desinler hondalarda güç yere aktarılırken bu kadar kaybolursa sonucun bu olması kaçınılmaz...
sadece 13-59 kısayla 120hp ile 160hp ye boy boy koyabilirsiniz ;)
brkkksln 4 years ago
vtec ha
smokin182s4fun 4 years ago
i loose my faith in the old civics when i see this, i mean wtf how can a vts beat a vti? this is criminal lol
radioxxflyer 4 years ago
stock vtec berbat sürücü sonuç gayet normal....
attractive35 4 years ago
guitaradam what u on about the civic doesnt kick in till 5600rpm they had to both change gear a couple of times so y did the civic not go flying by then i think u mean game over for civic dunno what it is but people can not see that the saxo is a fast car for its engine
john22xx 4 years ago
kım ne derse desın vtec fln yalan saxo ya devam :):):):)
schakalllll 4 years ago
Bad start 4 honda...the rider is pussy dude...
MainVuper 4 years ago
saxo vts saxo vts saxo vts chammppeeennnn..
thicky7ern 4 years ago
The DOHC vtec on the VTi's means that initially from a stand still their acceleration isn't as quick as some cars, as the VTEC doesn't kick in until 5600rpm - thats why you can see the saxo pulling away to start with. As soon as civic hits its power band, game-over to Saxo. SOHC civic has faster inital acceleration
guitaradam2000 4 years ago
Ya biraz yavaş al type r ı nasıl alıyorsun bende vti var standart chip bile yok deneyelim istersen bence sen hiç vti a denk gelmedin
tolgahammer 4 years ago
kardes ankaradamısın??gercı ankarada olsan arabayı bılırsın cunku pek v tec bırakmadımda o acıdan;)
fthmrtcn 4 years ago
bendede VTS war v-tec lerı zaten alıorum bırakın v tecı o gun type r aldım arkadaslar :D:D:D 06 FT 610 aksını ıdda eden warsa ben burdayım:))) ayrıca arabam orjınaldır chıp bıle yoktur
fthmrtcn 4 years ago
the vti loses cause it's a stock vti vs a tuned vts saxo..drop 4 JE high comp pistons and type r cams in that vti and then bye bye saxo..i agree..v tech rules!
panoulis20 4 years ago
Or let the VTEC kick in and bye bye Saxo.
GrunkaLunka007 4 years ago
I have a civic 1.8 vti and believe me i have smoked saxo's and left them for shit, I wish i recorded the race i had with steve he couldnt believe his car lost against a 1.8 VTI!!!!, the guys who say Civic VTI are slow are just jelous!!, VTEC RULZZ BABY!!
GIANNALONI 4 years ago
i raced a vti the other day in my sax an beat it quite easily =] especially from a standin start.
SaxoVtsRacer 4 years ago
106 gti mı civic vti mı??
aslcenk86 4 years ago
vide izmirden sanırım aracları tanıyamadım kımlerın acaba
SelcukRS 4 years ago
francoise versus japanese? must be jocking right?
LOLOL honda up your ass´s
hallikkillah 4 years ago
the VTI is not standard,any brain cells would tell you its not,listen to it and the VTS has better low 2 mid range power were as a VTI are dead before the VTEC and thats a fact,1.6 VTI's are nippy not fast, the type R is a fast car!
230720 4 years ago
You're both idiots. Both cars are crap, and you should be arrested for racing on public roads. It's knobs like you that make insurance premiums so high, and result in people with proper cars having to pay more. They're both slow. Get proper cars and grow up.
Pookeyhead2830 4 years ago
saxo is just lighter than the civic. Thats why there so quick.
Think an EG vti would have it no probs
MiRaGeUKUK 4 years ago
dude are you serious are you shifting at 5500rpm or what that saxo has like 120bhp the vti should smoke it easy!
jeryjohn 4 years ago
civic vti is better but the driver is a noob
arkaitzzzzzzz 4 years ago
la saxo torche la civic et comme il faut
knopflerbest 4 years ago
for those that say civic are crap,I just say crap is the size of your brains...
b18c4 4 years ago
Yes but the saxo cant rev to over 8000rpm can they, And the pedals on saxos are spaced for girls to drive.
pcplum500 4 years ago
ax for ever
blackwicked 4 years ago
People do bang on a lot about the VTI on a few forums, I think they are a little over rated
PAULABCDEFG12 4 years ago
Have you got one?
nasiocivic 4 years ago
No but ive heard lots of people say their isn't a faster 1.6 than the VTI and that sort of thing but thats not the first vid ive seen of a 1.6 saxo beating one.
PAULABCDEFG12 4 years ago
once you own one you'll agree! civics have the best 1.6l engines in the world! B16A2 the terminator
100bhp per litre NA
jeryjohn 4 years ago
Iv raced many saxo's in my civic 1.4I, my civic has catback exhaust system and also a custom made induction kit, iv blown saxo's apart, for this saxo to beat the VTI clearly shows its not standard. Civics Rule, they dont break like the french, Nice Race by da way lol
KamiB786 4 years ago
89 BHP STD plus cat back 115 Max plus induction 120 maximum HP you will have... Standard VTR you will beat, VTS put out 120 Std so you aint catching it. A vtr 99 onwards is 99bhp std with the same exhaust and induction kit as most have you are in the same boat.
abou105 4 years ago
About105 tru say but trus me iv beaten afew vts's, just remember its not always da car, da drivers makes a diff, my mate had a vts pushin 145 break and he had me in 1st but 2nd n 3rd i had him and im only drivin a 1.4,i rate saxo's as dey r nippy but iv also driven a vti and dey r quicker, if you wanna mod a vts up then pitch up against a civic SIR2,, SIR2 will destroy a vts/vti , abou105 wat ya drivin, u seem 2 no ur shit
KamiB786 4 years ago
I drive an 03 Focus ST, its stripped down to 1000kg, its no type R killer granted but im just waiting till i can afford insurance on one of the new STs
abou105 4 years ago
the civic is stream linig to get faster....CIVICS ARE CRAP!
Deadjammy 4 years ago
SAxo was really beaten on the end, when the saxo driver saw that the civic was about to own him, he put the brakes on...
Another thing this Saxo Cup isn´t standard, but modified.If was standard would be be beaten even more easily.
xor12 4 years ago
standard vs standard their 0-60's, 0-100's and top speeds are near identical
Daniels2002 4 years ago
it's impossible to compare french car with japan's car.the civic is the best in 16000cm3 category
ngougui 4 years ago
haha , hondas cant win even against small european 100 bhp cars.
bigblockz06 4 years ago
nah vts very fast standard
ackrite18 5 years ago
my vtr with cams, 4-2-1 manifold, chipped, s/s exhaust, viper air filter struggles to keep up with my mates standard civic vti, so im guessin that vts has had work done to it
99franklin 5 years ago
the civic vti is faster in every way in standard form
MAZAFARABADI 5 years ago
All wrong.
1,6 VTI though 40 HP more in stock is