even if the kids are still trying to please the teacher, if goes back to how they were raised. someone mustve told them of given them the impression that doing what their elders do is right and the best way to do things.
Well for the next box there should be a button in which you must push before the door can be open or get the treat. This should show if Chimpanzee or a child could learn off of what they have been shown. Doing things out of memory a dog can do that too, however doing something that needs more thinking then that is where you should focus.
I'm pretty sure that if all those kids tested were adolescents they would have questioned the first part of the see-through box and went straight for the second part. This is the way humans ultimately progress. The see and do stage of humans at childhood are acquiring the tools, and the rebellious nature of adolescence is using those tools their own way. Since chimpanzees are more primitive apes than humans, they skip the learning process and therefor were unable to progress as a species.
@italiangirl9696 not shaved really. their hair just grows like that; short and curly, and it is kept trimmed so it looks short (yes, i would know, i come from jamaica)
In a less critical environment that we raise children in these days it's perhaps not evident to see the importance of a child being able to precisely replicate a demonstrated task even when the child may be unable to understand how the task works or why the actions are necessary. Children are not expected to labour towards their upkeep these days as they may have been in the past.
I see a modern equivalent in demonstrating to my grandfather how to use electronic appliances.
What if a chimp watched another, such as its mother, do the black box, and than was had to do the black one and then the clear. Would it do as the children do and take the extra step, just because its authority figure did, or would it cut to the chase?
I think that because it is a human doing it to chimps, that they feel no need to please the person by taking the extra steps, but perhaps if ait was an authority figure, it may do the extra steps.
Humans are good linear learners they only go with a sense of direction instead of some stupid random movement so the chimp actions should not be considered more intelligent and stuff like that!
I started thinking about this for a bit and its possible that the chimp is more driven for the food, while the child is more driven by the experience. Is it possible that playing with the box is more rewarding for the child then the actual "reward" they are supposed to be striving for?
If you gave the black box to a chimp a second time, would he still do the motions to the top of the box or go straight for the door with the treat? Are the chimps seeing that the clear box has no way to get the treat through the top of the box or are they just remembering that the treat is in the door at the bottom of the box?
Well, they repeated because they understand when other tell them to do what they do, the chimps don't understand what ppl are saying and that's why they don't think they should copy the action
This reminds me of a test i did in primary school. I was asked to retype something i had just typed. I knew I could copy paste the thing but i chose to do it from scratch because that's what i thought the teacher wanted me to do, when actually she wanted to know if I could copy paste. I think maybe if adults and expectations were removed from the test in the video there may be a different result.
Seriously, I think it's because the children are aiming to please the teacher and aren't willing to take the shortcut in fear of the teacher's potential disapproval.
@pummisher Exactly! That is the human nature they are talking about. Children don't want to disappoint their parents or teachers. It's is not because we are less intelligent. We put more trust in our peers without reason.
@LethalAces000 Just think of all those stupid things we've done as children to please the adults. Just sickens me all the BS I was taught. That's part of the reason I lost respect of adults later in life. Mainly the part where I was expected to believe in God with absolutely no evidence. That really irked me and confused me when I saw all the other kids just going along with what they were told.
@pummisher exactly what i think, and im actually pretty sure of it... they dont want to come off ass being bad [aka a smart ass] i honestly think little kids are that intelligent and more.. just not on the "intellectual speaking" .. i honestly think just because something doesn't talk doesnt mean its unintelligent.. humans and any other species. because someone or something cant speak a learned language yet doesnt imply their capacity of consciousness .. but im off subject..agreed
@pummisher on a side note this also is a display of how early we are turned to zombies and are brainwashed by concepts and imaginary rules and laws . our natural freedoms have been taken from us and we teach our kids to obey every law / order of the "masses" and the "authorities" from EVERY word of their parents orders of beliefs concepts concepts concepts is what our heads are full of we are slaves of concepts . that is the difference in these actions.. but we have the ability to be free..
@LoVeInADiUniVerSe I've told people that we're just highly trained animals. Have you ever observed a wild animal unaware you're there? They're just like us. And you've seen how trained animals act in opposition to their instincts. You see how sad they appear. They seem more dangerous than the truly wild animals because they too are slaves.
@pummisher To be honest, I disagree with you. I believe it is their imaginations. Some kids may think it is magic. Others may think it is the vibrations that make the door open, in their own words.
So you're saying the false bottom is the silly belief in God which blocks us from reality which is the doorway on the side. And the realization that there is no God is the reward.
Monkey see; Monkey do, doesn't apply anymore. It's now, Human see; Human do. They should do this experience with adults. If adults copy on both boxes then my belief, that humans can't make decisions on their own regardless of outside force, will be right.... Now, I really wanna see an adult do this...
@KokoLuvLee831 agree, i'm also very curious as to how adults would react, would have to be on a broad range of people though (based on IQ, age, and possibly where they grew up)
@teequlah IQ is just a number. It's used to categorize your level of thinking in school so teachers can better understand and help your situation with education of your level. So, IQ wouldn't really have any effect to this experiment. A person could have a low IQ, but still may think/ask, "Why can't I just do it the easy way?" Where you grow up shouldn't have any effect, but how you're raised would. And age could possibly have an effect, but the chances would probably be small.
@KokoLuvLee831 interesting, i didnt know that about the "IQ" although i disagree with saying where they grew up not having an effect, but then proceed to how you're raised would. For example, war torn country vs a free minded country (well, in most cases) poverty stricken vs a rich community etc etc etc. and how isnt age a concern? learning at what age we actually do develop those logic / rational thoughts? I may be very stoned and looking into everything at a greater level, interesting topic.
@teequlah Well, war-torn/poverty stricken or free/rich, I'm sure they can figure out that they have to repeat the lady, because they are asked to. They showed poverty stricken/rich children doing the same thing. As for age; I still think maybe.
Honestly, all I want to know is if adults can/can't make decisions on their own, regardless of what other people may do or say; regardless of outside forces.
@teequlah But thinking about it; it's probably unnecessary to go into this any deeper, because they obviously didn't think this deeply about it with the children. There are multiple branches they could've done. Like comparing a child who isn't developed to a child that is. A child with a mental illness to a child who is underdeveloped. A child who is completely developed to a mentally ill child. Or another possibility.
@schlepter304 Seriously? Starving? These Africans looked a million times better than Africans in other countries. They even have a school and nice clothes. Yeah, they may still be poor, but they are doing a whole lot better than most of the other countries. And I get that it's sad that the other countries are poor and have starving people, but one little candy isn't going to make a difference. Also are these monkeys the same age as the kids? What is there mental age?
Maybe this just proves that we obey better? The children might understand that it's useless yet does it because they think they might not get the thing otherwise, like the grownup would take it away. I say they do the same thing again, but let a chimp teach a human how to do it.
How much of this is actually about the human need for ritual? or what it means to go against the status quo and the fear of being "different" for not conforming to the norm?
The kid pokes the box because kids are used to adults telling them what to do. The chimps just know because of survival instincts and not thought what other chimps tell them.
There is another issue: the chimps mature much faster then we do, and change their behavior accordingly. Also, they have different perception, and may probably spot the treat in a box. But eventually, the human heuristic behavior is unchallenged.
Well, I call that 'problem solving abilities". A chimpanzee sees through the situation and works out the solution, yet all we've been able to do is to copy others.
The experiment shows that even though it should have been obvious to the children that they didn't have to do all the steps, they still did them anyway. It doesn't prove that chimps are smarter. It shows that children more likely to follow instruction rather than use intuition. The chimps can't understand instructions, so even though they usually "monkey see monkey do" , when the clear box is shown, they see/realize they don't need all of the steps...and just open the box. listen at @3:59
Actually. I think that the chimpanzees don't understand the situation. They memorize where the food came from through her puzzle. But I'd guess that the second time they would do the test they would go straight for the sweet, nontheless of which box it was. If they couldn't find a sweet, however, they'd probably repeat the process. She should have done the black box repeatedly with a chimp before trying the transparent box
What exactly is the instruction she gives? "Get the sweet!" or "Do, what I do!" All depends on the instructions, really. If the child has the same goal as the chimp (get the sweet as quick as possible) it won't waste time either. Just another pseudo experiment that made it on tv.
@Alexper12 Chimps don't have the feeling of trust? What a naive and false simplification. Of course chimps have trust. They have a sophisticated social systems based entirely on trust. Reciprocal altruism is inherently based on trust, and when that trust is broken, the relationship is broken and the chimp that broke the trust loses standing in the tribe.
They might not trust a human because they're a different species (humans don't trust chimps either, or else they'd be in the cage with them)/
The chimpanzees seem to understand mechanics (cause and effect) but i still wonder whether they told the children whether the objective was to obtain the candy( i say that may have changed the outcome) and it would also shed more light in this case if they were to ask the views and thoughts of the children on this experiment.
@opbqdo That's not the point, did you even watch the rest of the video? By copying everything precisely we learn languages and skills that we can use for the rest of our lives.
is there any post experiment discussion where the researchers ask why they didn't they just skip the unnecessary steps? the answers to THAT would actually determine how humans learn and not what they do.
@a9fc8yt3kd1 This is a very silly experiment you're asking a human being to copy your actions, you didn't tell her get the candy as fast as possible this experiment is obviously flawed, of course shes going to repeat the process i would as well because you told me to copy you.... the chimps only wanted the candy they failed to copy the actions correctly with the clear box humans children are obviously follow orders ..
its not about trust its about the age of the children and their psychology at that age. Look at the young girls fine motor skills. They are not completely efficient. At the age of those children they are just beginning preoperational stage of development. Meaning they just started to form stable concepts and beginning to reason. Interesting test tho.
@tubedewy11 i believe that i was shown the steps, i would've done the same thing as the children because i would think that that'''s what the researchers wanted me to do... to humans, it's not just about the candy, but it's also about what others think and expect... to the chimps, it's just about the candy..
Humans are dogmatic... That's why we have a religion and that's why we assume things before we see them. That's why we have prejudice. That's why chimps are superior ;)
@eddox94 Yes. That's why we are studying them while they fuck and throw their own shit at each other? Don't get me wrong, I think they're amazing animals but to imply they are superior is hilarious.
@JustChilinStudios well besides the statement before "it appears apes cant teach other apes" I believe if they could and did they would definitely be far superior based on their logic and way of thinking, looking back to the original planet of the apes movies, they had it quite right haha.
Maybe the children think that they're only allowed to take the sticker if they do what the adult shows them to do and that it would be cheating to skip the first steps. It's normal for children to think in terms of getting rewards for doing what adults tell them to. The chimps are more goal oriented.
Another question that this brings to mind for me is, at what age do humans develop the "skip the unnecessary steps"? I can look at the box and see it is pointless, but I am older. And is there an equivalent age for chimps or do they come pre-programmed?
Very interesting vids, I would like to see what would happen if the children watched a video of how the chimpanzee solved the puzzle (with and without shortcut) instead of they watching an adult doing it.
¿Would they copy the chimpanzee thru all the steps on the dark box?
¿Would they take the shortcut as the chimpanzee did on the second box?
It's the desire to be taught. This is why chimps fail to pass down things they learn to the next generation e.g. sharpening a branch to stab and eat bushbabies. Chimps only learn by copying so there's no guarantee when one chimp does something new that this will be copied and shared. Humans have a desire to be taught and actively teach and this is why we are so good at passing down knowledge through the generations. Just look at the world around us to see how far we've come. Humans 1 Chimps 0
Couldn't it also be that the chimp only knows where the treat would be already and not that it notices the "short cut" to receive it? This experiment doesn't prove that the chimp notices the clear solid part of the box in the middle, but that it only knows where the treat is already from the first box and that the children do what they were instructed to do in the beginning of the experiment so they do it again the second time around with the clear box despite recieving the treat quicker.
...crictial thinking skill. They were told all the time to just listen to the adults. Like the narrator says,this experiment is not about how chimps learn,it's about how humans learn, so plz don't say mean things about it. This is a very good experiment.
Timesonline:"To discount the possibility that the children were trying to please the researchers, they were left alone and filmed secretly. Only a few managed to retrieve a sticker after much futile prodding."
No, the children didn't follow the given steps faithfully out of trust in the adults for the desire to please them.They were told "Do anything" (read the description) and left alone yet still stabbed on the top.It's not because they are dumber than the chimps,it's because they lack the...
For chimpanzees, survival skills are crucial. Activating the brain to get food has life and death consequences whereas for children, they know the adults will take care of them. There is neither a sense of urgency or the motivation to train the brain quickly and efficiency in order to obtain food.
this test also proves how people believe in; 9/11, monetary system, political actions, terrorism, religion, etc.
It shows just how gullible people are, and how a few people can manipulate the thinking of many people.
Oh how ironic she uses a box to do it. Metaphorically similar to the box in our living room except ours has moving pictures, dictated newscasters, and bias directors.
My comparative anatomy teacher said a similar thing as the difference between humans and other primates: the chimp will keep re-inventing the wheel. Without being able to teach and learn, there can't be forward progression. In this experiment, it comes across as beneficial to avoid the ritual (get the reward sooner). Maybe it would have helped to have one reward from the box, and Another reward for following the 'ritual' to see if the chimp follows the seemingly meaningless ritual or not.
The experiment seems flawed... maybe the children could see that the first few steps were unnecessary but were afraid of being scolded for skipping them.
kids aren't motivated the same way, chimpanzees only want the treat and they don't care about the teacher or expectations, but the kids think they have to fulfill the expectations to get the reward. Kids copy the actions much better as well. Personally i think this is not a fair test, but it is interesting indeed.
They should do this study with adults. I found myself thinking about doing the last step with the black box to get the reward, even with the ritual. My thought process was "if I don't get the reward, then there's no repercussions, and I can go through the ritual and see if it works." I found this method found out either way that the ritual was important to receiving the food or not. It maybe that we're gullible to all information as children and follow methodically, but then question as we age.
The rewards are different. A chimp is rewarded by the sweet, whether or not they follow a routine. A child is rewarded by praise for completing the routine.
Children at a young age most of the time don't have the critical skills to analyze the situation versus mindlessly following instructions. I guess most are raised that way until they are developed enough to think outside the box (no pun intended) or are told to think that way.
well...the chimp solely tries to obtain the candy to eat it, while the child might think that she should follow what the adult is telling her to do and so she followed... To not follow the instruction could be disrespectful or be seen as disobedience?
This is complete nonsense.. The fact that all the children imitated her every move is simple, its all part of the "fun and games" to these children.. They simply view her actions as something they most do in order to complete the game and obtain the prize at the end. The chimps on the other hand simply view the entire thing as a "obsticle" in their way of getting the food. So they just take the fastest way possible because they are wanting the treat the quickest way possible..
@MrBraaddd ...And the experiment is complete! You didn't realize it, but the point of this experiment on YouTube was to make you restate the conclusions of the experiment, preceded by a denunciation of "stupid scientists and their stupid conclusions!" Thank you for participating
@MrBraaddd Yup you learned the conclusion of the study. Humans have a different learning style/approach to problems than Chimps. There you go haha, plain and simple.
@christianTZM the details of the video say that the child was instructed to get the treat "any way they can" and the instructor left the room while they completed the puzzle and they still didn't go straight for the treat.
I would do the same thing the kid did, when people teach me something, i stick to what they taught me, the ape was just fucking careless, If it was a bomb it would had blown up.
It was her presence that made the kids go through all the motions with the clear box. put the kid alone in a room with the box (and a hidden camera) and i bet they'll go straight for the reward.
@christianTZM In the actual study the researchers asked the children to get the reward any way they can after demonstrating the "ritual" then left the room and waited till the children exclaimed "i've got it". At which point the researcher would enter the room and give the child a reward. The study was very thorough, but I found myself asking myself to just go for the last step to get the reward with the black box, which suggests that adults have a different learning pattern.
@sobaixu as much as chimp researchers Darwinist and others would like you to believe chimpanzees are nowhere close to intelligent as humans. They are a bit smarter than other animals such as pigs dogs etc. but humanity is much much more intelligent than apes. chimp IQ's typically max out at 30-45 the iq of a severely restarted person. humanity maxes out at around 187 nearly 6 times smarter. which in my opinion shows that we couldnt have a common ancestor as there is no ancestor with an iq close
It has nothing to do with intelligence children will trust in the adult. If the adult says that the way to get the treat is to do steps 1 2 and 3 they will do 1 2 and 3 because they trust the person administering the test. the Chimps don't trust anyone because they don't have the feeling of trust so they will skip the previous steps. I'm sure most of the kids thought it was pointless but because the adult told them to do it that way they did it
@Alexper12: This is the important difference that enables children to learn things that need complex abstract ways (with no obvious gain at first) to reaching a goal. For example Take reading, complex social interactions and rules, maths, science, in fact all cultural achievements.
Mindless imitation is stupid and trust has nothing to do with it.
It's only an advantage because most people are stupid, and such mindless imitation lets stupid people complete tasks they don't and can't understand.
What of smart people who are born into this mindless system?
It was only an accident that Einstein made it threw college and the only job he could get was as a clerk in a patent office. Was there any reward other then fame for him? NO
@Alexper12 Chimps do trust. They do have a feeling of trust. Thumbs down. Nice try, but trying isn't enough, you fail. Chimps are simply smarter than humans in this matter.
@Alexper12 this has been proven even with adults, the elevator experiment. three people walk in facing one direction into an elevator with one guy. the one guy eventually turns in the same direction as the three people. then everyone takes their hat off, the one guy takes his hat off. now one has said he has to take his hat off. automatically like a robot humans seem to imitate the whole, which represents the authority. very few would not take their hat off when the many do.
this is silly. do you people think that those chimps are even aware that the adults may expect something more? the child is unsure of what the adult wants from her because the task presented seems pointless. therefore they just do what they want them to do just to be safe. if nything this proves humans are even more intelligent because they understand how other individuals can think or react.
I have a question for the researchers. I have studied anthropology and have long been wondering why humans, as opposed to all other animals, seem to be pre disposed to BUILDING things. Animals don't make machines and houses and stuff on the level we do. Yes the make nests, etc, and basic tools for immediate needs, but why don't apes make hammers and build huts?, they obviously have the cognitive ability to figure it out. So why don't they, and why do we?
i think the kids take the long way because they werent shown the shortcut and because we are always thought to obey out orders like when your teacher says do your work you do it and dont stop until told otherwise
In our current debate of Student-Centered vs. teacher-centered methodologies in K-6 education in the U.S. and elsewhere, this research has HUGE implications! In prepping students for state wide, high stakes standardized assessments, perhaps teacher centered methods are the way to go.
the point is the children brains are smarter than adults.the brain is growing more when the people are children.the memory is fast.they get the point faster than adult and understand faster than adult.so this exam was made with children
This was a central argument in the God Delusion. Children have developed an evolutionary skill - following the directions of adults. Natural selection has killed of the children who had the non direction following trait. They were the ones who ate the poisonous berries, swam in the lake with the gators or didn't look both ways before crossing the road.
The desirable trait of following directions also predisposes children to believing anything they are told about myths, fairy tales and religion.
Humans do what they're told and are more conscious of what people think of them. While animals only do what's needed to obtain their needs.
LazyLonerLayla 3 days ago
Wait, that's not a chimpanzee, that's a black child in a yellowish dress!
kamratframjandet 3 days ago
@jackstein104 haha yea I was thinking that too but the point of this experiment was part of the fact that they took the young of both species
0ffTheAir 4 days ago
even if the kids are still trying to please the teacher, if goes back to how they were raised. someone mustve told them of given them the impression that doing what their elders do is right and the best way to do things.
yuhzt 1 week ago
Well for the next box there should be a button in which you must push before the door can be open or get the treat. This should show if Chimpanzee or a child could learn off of what they have been shown. Doing things out of memory a dog can do that too, however doing something that needs more thinking then that is where you should focus.
superscottX2011 1 week ago
I'm pretty sure that if all those kids tested were adolescents they would have questioned the first part of the see-through box and went straight for the second part. This is the way humans ultimately progress. The see and do stage of humans at childhood are acquiring the tools, and the rebellious nature of adolescence is using those tools their own way. Since chimpanzees are more primitive apes than humans, they skip the learning process and therefor were unable to progress as a species.
jackstein104 1 week ago
Why do all the kids have shaved heads?
italiangirl9696 2 weeks ago
@italiangirl9696 not shaved really. their hair just grows like that; short and curly, and it is kept trimmed so it looks short (yes, i would know, i come from jamaica)
yuhzt 1 week ago
@yuhzt Ohh okay thank you
italiangirl9696 1 week ago
In a less critical environment that we raise children in these days it's perhaps not evident to see the importance of a child being able to precisely replicate a demonstrated task even when the child may be unable to understand how the task works or why the actions are necessary. Children are not expected to labour towards their upkeep these days as they may have been in the past.
I see a modern equivalent in demonstrating to my grandfather how to use electronic appliances.
paulnz 2 weeks ago
What if a chimp watched another, such as its mother, do the black box, and than was had to do the black one and then the clear. Would it do as the children do and take the extra step, just because its authority figure did, or would it cut to the chase?
I think that because it is a human doing it to chimps, that they feel no need to please the person by taking the extra steps, but perhaps if ait was an authority figure, it may do the extra steps.
EsplodingBomb 2 weeks ago
So the bitch gives the white American kids gummy bears but the black African kids get a sticker?
spamman12123 2 weeks ago 2
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Lol... I didn't even notice that =O
gangstervural 2 weeks ago
I think you would have some different results if you weren't with them when they do it
pjn2001 2 weeks ago
Humans are good linear learners they only go with a sense of direction instead of some stupid random movement so the chimp actions should not be considered more intelligent and stuff like that!
alienkishorekumar 2 weeks ago
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alienkishorekumar 2 weeks ago
Because you don't tell the kids the only object is to get the treat. -.- they think the point is to repeat the sequence.
On the other hand, the objective for the chimp is just to get the treat.
belmany 3 weeks ago
what i wonder is do the children actualy understand that the sequence to get the treat are pointless.
RyderDarkheart 3 weeks ago
@RyderDarkheart yes
619studios 2 weeks ago
I started thinking about this for a bit and its possible that the chimp is more driven for the food, while the child is more driven by the experience. Is it possible that playing with the box is more rewarding for the child then the actual "reward" they are supposed to be striving for?
bestmarty 3 weeks ago
I think the main reason for this is that the girl is getting told to do what she shal do, and is not thinking for herself.
larsi2358 3 weeks ago
I dare her to tell the ppl in that village there blak kids are stupid
devildog1871991 3 weeks ago
Stupid bitch.kids r just doing what u tell em to do.
devildog1871991 3 weeks ago
Vsauce Army making a detour!
Romial34 3 weeks ago 48
@Romial34 LOL hell yeah
qaHs0r 1 week ago
If you gave the black box to a chimp a second time, would he still do the motions to the top of the box or go straight for the door with the treat? Are the chimps seeing that the clear box has no way to get the treat through the top of the box or are they just remembering that the treat is in the door at the bottom of the box?
stepb24 3 weeks ago 2
its part one with black kids.
ytaccmsc 3 weeks ago
Well, they repeated because they understand when other tell them to do what they do, the chimps don't understand what ppl are saying and that's why they don't think they should copy the action
mitkou123 3 weeks ago
wow,this makes me feel stupid...
MultiCool911 3 weeks ago
This reminds me of a test i did in primary school. I was asked to retype something i had just typed. I knew I could copy paste the thing but i chose to do it from scratch because that's what i thought the teacher wanted me to do, when actually she wanted to know if I could copy paste. I think maybe if adults and expectations were removed from the test in the video there may be a different result.
Overwatch93 3 weeks ago 3
Seriously, I think it's because the children are aiming to please the teacher and aren't willing to take the shortcut in fear of the teacher's potential disapproval.
pummisher 3 weeks ago 94
@pummisher Exactly! That is the human nature they are talking about. Children don't want to disappoint their parents or teachers. It's is not because we are less intelligent. We put more trust in our peers without reason.
LethalAces000 3 weeks ago
@LethalAces000 Just think of all those stupid things we've done as children to please the adults. Just sickens me all the BS I was taught. That's part of the reason I lost respect of adults later in life. Mainly the part where I was expected to believe in God with absolutely no evidence. That really irked me and confused me when I saw all the other kids just going along with what they were told.
pummisher 3 weeks ago
@pummisher exactly what i think, and im actually pretty sure of it... they dont want to come off ass being bad [aka a smart ass] i honestly think little kids are that intelligent and more.. just not on the "intellectual speaking" .. i honestly think just because something doesn't talk doesnt mean its unintelligent.. humans and any other species. because someone or something cant speak a learned language yet doesnt imply their capacity of consciousness .. but im off subject..agreed
LoVeInADiUniVerSe 3 weeks ago
@pummisher on a side note this also is a display of how early we are turned to zombies and are brainwashed by concepts and imaginary rules and laws . our natural freedoms have been taken from us and we teach our kids to obey every law / order of the "masses" and the "authorities" from EVERY word of their parents orders of beliefs concepts concepts concepts is what our heads are full of we are slaves of concepts . that is the difference in these actions.. but we have the ability to be free..
LoVeInADiUniVerSe 3 weeks ago
@LoVeInADiUniVerSe I've told people that we're just highly trained animals. Have you ever observed a wild animal unaware you're there? They're just like us. And you've seen how trained animals act in opposition to their instincts. You see how sad they appear. They seem more dangerous than the truly wild animals because they too are slaves.
pummisher 3 weeks ago
@pummisher To be honest, I disagree with you. I believe it is their imaginations. Some kids may think it is magic. Others may think it is the vibrations that make the door open, in their own words.
blockminer36 1 week ago
@blockminer36 It's possible. I remember doing things when I was a kid that didn't make sense just because an adult told me something or other.
pummisher 1 week ago
@pummisher So do I, but not at all very often. I would usually say something about it.
blockminer36 1 week ago
@pummisher yes i very well agree
shockwave16100 5 days ago
So you're saying the false bottom is the silly belief in God which blocks us from reality which is the doorway on the side. And the realization that there is no God is the reward.
//trolololing
pummisher 3 weeks ago
3:56 JESSICA IS BLACK SHE IS STUPID OF COURSE SHE WILL ACT AS A SLAVE AND DO STUPID SHIT!!!
aioria002 3 weeks ago
@aioria002 it's sad that people like you are still living in this world. you fucking closed minded racist
appple33 3 weeks ago
@aioria002 Seriously?
tomtomwolfwolf 3 weeks ago
@aioria002 yes,you're totally right about the slave thing...but did you watch part 1 ?
tyuobue26 3 weeks ago
I thought it was supposed to compare humans to cimps? Why the fuck did they use 2 chimps for? (1:09 and 1:55)
aioria002 3 weeks ago
Monkey see monkey do, is actually human see human do LOL.
Icureditwithmybrain 3 weeks ago
Ok, so this is how planet of the apes starts.
ninjacowboy 3 weeks ago
amazing
iZephyros 3 weeks ago
did anyone else burst into laughter @ 1:44 ? "next, horner and her boxes..."
teequlah 3 weeks ago
idiot ass children
lemonlimelukey 3 weeks ago
Monkey see; Monkey do, doesn't apply anymore. It's now, Human see; Human do. They should do this experience with adults. If adults copy on both boxes then my belief, that humans can't make decisions on their own regardless of outside force, will be right.... Now, I really wanna see an adult do this...
KokoLuvLee831 3 weeks ago
@KokoLuvLee831 agree, i'm also very curious as to how adults would react, would have to be on a broad range of people though (based on IQ, age, and possibly where they grew up)
teequlah 3 weeks ago
@teequlah IQ is just a number. It's used to categorize your level of thinking in school so teachers can better understand and help your situation with education of your level. So, IQ wouldn't really have any effect to this experiment. A person could have a low IQ, but still may think/ask, "Why can't I just do it the easy way?" Where you grow up shouldn't have any effect, but how you're raised would. And age could possibly have an effect, but the chances would probably be small.
KokoLuvLee831 3 weeks ago
@KokoLuvLee831 interesting, i didnt know that about the "IQ" although i disagree with saying where they grew up not having an effect, but then proceed to how you're raised would. For example, war torn country vs a free minded country (well, in most cases) poverty stricken vs a rich community etc etc etc. and how isnt age a concern? learning at what age we actually do develop those logic / rational thoughts? I may be very stoned and looking into everything at a greater level, interesting topic.
teequlah 3 weeks ago
@teequlah Well, war-torn/poverty stricken or free/rich, I'm sure they can figure out that they have to repeat the lady, because they are asked to. They showed poverty stricken/rich children doing the same thing. As for age; I still think maybe.
Honestly, all I want to know is if adults can/can't make decisions on their own, regardless of what other people may do or say; regardless of outside forces.
KokoLuvLee831 3 weeks ago
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@teequlah But thinking about it; it's probably unnecessary to go into this any deeper, because they obviously didn't think this deeply about it with the children. There are multiple branches they could've done. Like comparing a child who isn't developed to a child that is. A child with a mental illness to a child who is underdeveloped. A child who is completely developed to a mentally ill child. Or another possibility.
KokoLuvLee831 3 weeks ago
thats mea, why do the starving africans get stickers, yet the chimps get treats??
schlepter304 3 weeks ago
@schlepter304 Because if you give them treats, they'll begin to question why they aren't getting treats past that experience.
sam1is1a1person 3 weeks ago
@schlepter304 Seriously? Starving? These Africans looked a million times better than Africans in other countries. They even have a school and nice clothes. Yeah, they may still be poor, but they are doing a whole lot better than most of the other countries. And I get that it's sad that the other countries are poor and have starving people, but one little candy isn't going to make a difference. Also are these monkeys the same age as the kids? What is there mental age?
KokoLuvLee831 3 weeks ago
@KokoLuvLee831 And by 'there' I really mean 'their'.
KokoLuvLee831 3 weeks ago
@schlepter304 read the description;
** The box always contains a sticker. When the child gets the sticker, they trade that in for a food reward.
o0dazo0 3 weeks ago
More of a social reaction thrn how a human learns
schulze3 3 weeks ago
Maybe this just proves that we obey better? The children might understand that it's useless yet does it because they think they might not get the thing otherwise, like the grownup would take it away. I say they do the same thing again, but let a chimp teach a human how to do it.
Ghork0 3 weeks ago
Amazing!
ZrnSbr 1 month ago
i think it's probably cuz human looks for doing right, and not just get the sweets.
haioemma4 1 month ago
Children simply unable to think logically, don't have causality (causation).
zxfun 1 month ago
children consider the box a game, that's why they mimic the adults; they simply think it's part of the game. chimps are more practical.
De3jayw0lfy 1 month ago
if chimps were as smart as scientist say they were be were we are right now.
barucgandara141 1 month ago
How much of this is actually about the human need for ritual? or what it means to go against the status quo and the fear of being "different" for not conforming to the norm?
potentiallyklien 1 month ago
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WTF what an excuse fore human stupidity, his not dumb he is just to smart fore ass to see.
Its clear that the Chimpanzee thinks about what his doing where the human as usual is not.
These scientists are just trying to excuse human mindless execution.
WatchmenDrManhattan 1 month ago
The kid pokes the box because kids are used to adults telling them what to do. The chimps just know because of survival instincts and not thought what other chimps tell them.
NightBeaglezz 1 month ago
There is another issue: the chimps mature much faster then we do, and change their behavior accordingly. Also, they have different perception, and may probably spot the treat in a box. But eventually, the human heuristic behavior is unchallenged.
timfidotru 1 month ago
Well, I call that 'problem solving abilities". A chimpanzee sees through the situation and works out the solution, yet all we've been able to do is to copy others.
wenqiweiabcd 2 months ago
thats why he have religions and a lot of other social structures
cjch100 2 months ago
The experiment shows that even though it should have been obvious to the children that they didn't have to do all the steps, they still did them anyway. It doesn't prove that chimps are smarter. It shows that children more likely to follow instruction rather than use intuition. The chimps can't understand instructions, so even though they usually "monkey see monkey do" , when the clear box is shown, they see/realize they don't need all of the steps...and just open the box. listen at @3:59
daniboi87 2 months ago
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daniboi87 2 months ago
Actually. I think that the chimpanzees don't understand the situation. They memorize where the food came from through her puzzle. But I'd guess that the second time they would do the test they would go straight for the sweet, nontheless of which box it was. If they couldn't find a sweet, however, they'd probably repeat the process. She should have done the black box repeatedly with a chimp before trying the transparent box
sharmanti 2 months ago
What exactly is the instruction she gives? "Get the sweet!" or "Do, what I do!" All depends on the instructions, really. If the child has the same goal as the chimp (get the sweet as quick as possible) it won't waste time either. Just another pseudo experiment that made it on tv.
hrbeeli 3 months ago 3
@hrbeeli "The child is instructed to get the reward any way they can, then the experimenter leaves the room." Someone didn't read the description. :)
daniboi87 2 months ago
@daniboi87 what room is my question?
TheJockman117 2 months ago
@TheJockman117 Again...read the description "NOTE: This is a dramatic reenactment of an experiment for a TV "
daniboi87 2 months ago
@daniboi87 documentary.
daniboi87 2 months ago
@daniboi87 Haha, I guess they did a good job of finding a room to reenact it in? xD
TheJockman117 2 months ago
@Alexper12 Chimps don't have the feeling of trust? What a naive and false simplification. Of course chimps have trust. They have a sophisticated social systems based entirely on trust. Reciprocal altruism is inherently based on trust, and when that trust is broken, the relationship is broken and the chimp that broke the trust loses standing in the tribe.
They might not trust a human because they're a different species (humans don't trust chimps either, or else they'd be in the cage with them)/
quinnthology31 3 months ago
The chimpanzees seem to understand mechanics (cause and effect) but i still wonder whether they told the children whether the objective was to obtain the candy( i say that may have changed the outcome) and it would also shed more light in this case if they were to ask the views and thoughts of the children on this experiment.
zeiitgeist 3 months ago
So - to use a religious analogy.
They should skip the praying and worshipping and just skip to contributing to the collection plate.
jazzx251 3 months ago
@jazzx251 This could be interpreted to say a lot about religion, actually.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 3 months ago
@opbqdo That's not the point, did you even watch the rest of the video? By copying everything precisely we learn languages and skills that we can use for the rest of our lives.
taunton89 3 months ago
i think that first should be given the transparent box the cimpanzee :P to see if he repeats the steps or not :D
mafyaseby 3 months ago
is the chimp bleeding?
colossalko 3 months ago
is there any post experiment discussion where the researchers ask why they didn't they just skip the unnecessary steps? the answers to THAT would actually determine how humans learn and not what they do.
nizohio1 3 months ago
human go to the moon champamzee no go to the moon
mosa0564778798 3 months ago
@mosa0564778798
Maybe, but chimps went into space before humans did ... : )
a9fc8yt3kd1 3 months ago 39
@a9fc8yt3kd1 This is a very silly experiment you're asking a human being to copy your actions, you didn't tell her get the candy as fast as possible this experiment is obviously flawed, of course shes going to repeat the process i would as well because you told me to copy you.... the chimps only wanted the candy they failed to copy the actions correctly with the clear box humans children are obviously follow orders ..
logicalace2 2 months ago
human devilopping youtube champamzee no devilopping
mosa0564778798 3 months ago
the children only copy what the woman did But the chimp think and not only copying
oqbpdo 3 months ago
human see, human do :)
klamberext 3 months ago
its not about trust its about the age of the children and their psychology at that age. Look at the young girls fine motor skills. They are not completely efficient. At the age of those children they are just beginning preoperational stage of development. Meaning they just started to form stable concepts and beginning to reason. Interesting test tho.
tubedewy11 4 months ago
@tubedewy11 i believe that i was shown the steps, i would've done the same thing as the children because i would think that that'''s what the researchers wanted me to do... to humans, it's not just about the candy, but it's also about what others think and expect... to the chimps, it's just about the candy..
nizohio1 3 months ago
The chimpanzees do not look up to humans, whereas the children look up to adults, that is the significant part.
Ymgarl 4 months ago
Humans are dogmatic... That's why we have a religion and that's why we assume things before we see them. That's why we have prejudice. That's why chimps are superior ;)
eddox94 4 months ago 38
@eddox94 no, only intuitive humans would do that
itsanawesomeguy 2 months ago
@eddox94 they dont question, that's why they are inferior.
TheJockman117 2 months ago
@eddox94 we have cars. point proven
Thrallsbuddy 1 month ago
@eddox94 Do you have autism?
Please, don't answer.
MonoPrime 1 month ago
@eddox94 Yes. That's why we are studying them while they fuck and throw their own shit at each other? Don't get me wrong, I think they're amazing animals but to imply they are superior is hilarious.
Plecebo1996 1 month ago
@eddox94 Chimps are superior because we have a higher level of thinking? Because they didn't look up at the stars and wonder how they were created?
JustChilinStudios 3 weeks ago
@JustChilinStudios well besides the statement before "it appears apes cant teach other apes" I believe if they could and did they would definitely be far superior based on their logic and way of thinking, looking back to the original planet of the apes movies, they had it quite right haha.
teequlah 3 weeks ago
@eddox94 talk for yourself filthy religious.
Brust90 3 weeks ago
Ok. So you guys think you are more intelligent than these researchers... Chimpanzees are incredible. Don't be so human centric...
eddox94 4 months ago
Maybe the children think that they're only allowed to take the sticker if they do what the adult shows them to do and that it would be cheating to skip the first steps. It's normal for children to think in terms of getting rewards for doing what adults tell them to. The chimps are more goal oriented.
Primalxbeast 4 months ago
Another question that this brings to mind for me is, at what age do humans develop the "skip the unnecessary steps"? I can look at the box and see it is pointless, but I am older. And is there an equivalent age for chimps or do they come pre-programmed?
xlr84XC 4 months ago
Very interesting vids, I would like to see what would happen if the children watched a video of how the chimpanzee solved the puzzle (with and without shortcut) instead of they watching an adult doing it.
¿Would they copy the chimpanzee thru all the steps on the dark box?
¿Would they take the shortcut as the chimpanzee did on the second box?
I really have those questions in my head now...
JGBarbarian 4 months ago
Replace the box with praying, and you get how pointless religion is.
EnigmaHood 4 months ago
It's the desire to be taught. This is why chimps fail to pass down things they learn to the next generation e.g. sharpening a branch to stab and eat bushbabies. Chimps only learn by copying so there's no guarantee when one chimp does something new that this will be copied and shared. Humans have a desire to be taught and actively teach and this is why we are so good at passing down knowledge through the generations. Just look at the world around us to see how far we've come. Humans 1 Chimps 0
joannaclare22 4 months ago
Couldn't it also be that the chimp only knows where the treat would be already and not that it notices the "short cut" to receive it? This experiment doesn't prove that the chimp notices the clear solid part of the box in the middle, but that it only knows where the treat is already from the first box and that the children do what they were instructed to do in the beginning of the experiment so they do it again the second time around with the clear box despite recieving the treat quicker.
2row777 4 months ago
For child it's just a game, for a chimp it's food. End of story.
Stubbari 4 months ago
...crictial thinking skill. They were told all the time to just listen to the adults. Like the narrator says,this experiment is not about how chimps learn,it's about how humans learn, so plz don't say mean things about it. This is a very good experiment.
evolit2011 4 months ago
Timesonline:"To discount the possibility that the children were trying to please the researchers, they were left alone and filmed secretly. Only a few managed to retrieve a sticker after much futile prodding."
No, the children didn't follow the given steps faithfully out of trust in the adults for the desire to please them.They were told "Do anything" (read the description) and left alone yet still stabbed on the top.It's not because they are dumber than the chimps,it's because they lack the...
evolit2011 4 months ago
For chimpanzees, survival skills are crucial. Activating the brain to get food has life and death consequences whereas for children, they know the adults will take care of them. There is neither a sense of urgency or the motivation to train the brain quickly and efficiency in order to obtain food.
joyleng 4 months ago
this test also proves how people believe in; 9/11, monetary system, political actions, terrorism, religion, etc.
It shows just how gullible people are, and how a few people can manipulate the thinking of many people.
Oh how ironic she uses a box to do it. Metaphorically similar to the box in our living room except ours has moving pictures, dictated newscasters, and bias directors.
breakdancer100 4 months ago
My comparative anatomy teacher said a similar thing as the difference between humans and other primates: the chimp will keep re-inventing the wheel. Without being able to teach and learn, there can't be forward progression. In this experiment, it comes across as beneficial to avoid the ritual (get the reward sooner). Maybe it would have helped to have one reward from the box, and Another reward for following the 'ritual' to see if the chimp follows the seemingly meaningless ritual or not.
lucyMD5c 4 months ago
@lucyMD5c :they actually can teach an learn (xRN-fHdGzUY)
evolit2011 4 months ago
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so the US Kids get a gummybear and the starving african kids get ..... a sticker ?
btw lazy ppl FTW
CizzarGX 4 months ago
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CizzarGX 4 months ago
awww jessica looks so cute with her little dress!! :3 sitting patiently!!
Very interesting experiment!
MadCherry 4 months ago
I would smash the door off with a rock to get my reward black or clear box
RedTailedTuna 5 months ago
They should ask the kids why they did what they did instead of just speculate!
RottenSquash 5 months ago
Caesar! <3
whitewolfwithblackSP 5 months ago
The experiment seems flawed... maybe the children could see that the first few steps were unnecessary but were afraid of being scolded for skipping them.
4Gottlos 5 months ago
@4Gottlos That's the entire point of the experiment. Did you watch part 1? They mention that the children see the adult as a authority figure.
MissingSirius 5 months ago
@MissingSirius You're probably right, I shoulda watched the first one I guess.
4Gottlos 5 months ago
@4Gottlos exactly, humans actually care what others think of them so they do things by the book
Trollin4Evar 5 months ago
kids aren't motivated the same way, chimpanzees only want the treat and they don't care about the teacher or expectations, but the kids think they have to fulfill the expectations to get the reward. Kids copy the actions much better as well. Personally i think this is not a fair test, but it is interesting indeed.
csakegyvid 5 months ago
They should do this study with adults. I found myself thinking about doing the last step with the black box to get the reward, even with the ritual. My thought process was "if I don't get the reward, then there's no repercussions, and I can go through the ritual and see if it works." I found this method found out either way that the ritual was important to receiving the food or not. It maybe that we're gullible to all information as children and follow methodically, but then question as we age.
dedeen 5 months ago
The rewards are different. A chimp is rewarded by the sweet, whether or not they follow a routine. A child is rewarded by praise for completing the routine.
mrabkin1 5 months ago
@mrabkin1 i agree with u
TheJudgment123 5 months ago
This proves a lot of social theories.
tubeother 5 months ago
@tubeother Oh? Like?
Arkanj3l 5 months ago
Children at a young age most of the time don't have the critical skills to analyze the situation versus mindlessly following instructions. I guess most are raised that way until they are developed enough to think outside the box (no pun intended) or are told to think that way.
southsideStrong 5 months ago
well...the chimp solely tries to obtain the candy to eat it, while the child might think that she should follow what the adult is telling her to do and so she followed... To not follow the instruction could be disrespectful or be seen as disobedience?
kwanhui1990 5 months ago
I thought same when i saw this video.
kaur0691 5 months ago
This is complete nonsense.. The fact that all the children imitated her every move is simple, its all part of the "fun and games" to these children.. They simply view her actions as something they most do in order to complete the game and obtain the prize at the end. The chimps on the other hand simply view the entire thing as a "obsticle" in their way of getting the food. So they just take the fastest way possible because they are wanting the treat the quickest way possible..
MrBraaddd 5 months ago
@MrBraaddd ...And the experiment is complete! You didn't realize it, but the point of this experiment on YouTube was to make you restate the conclusions of the experiment, preceded by a denunciation of "stupid scientists and their stupid conclusions!" Thank you for participating
VvAnarchangelvV 5 months ago
@MrBraaddd Yup you learned the conclusion of the study. Humans have a different learning style/approach to problems than Chimps. There you go haha, plain and simple.
dedeen 5 months ago
@christianTZM the details of the video say that the child was instructed to get the treat "any way they can" and the instructor left the room while they completed the puzzle and they still didn't go straight for the treat.
BDill03 5 months ago
I would do the same thing the kid did, when people teach me something, i stick to what they taught me, the ape was just fucking careless, If it was a bomb it would had blown up.
IceYourPimpHand 5 months ago
human see do, human do . . .
ghost234346 5 months ago
It was her presence that made the kids go through all the motions with the clear box. put the kid alone in a room with the box (and a hidden camera) and i bet they'll go straight for the reward.
christianTZM 5 months ago
@christianTZM agree . . .
ghost234346 5 months ago
@christianTZM In the actual study the researchers asked the children to get the reward any way they can after demonstrating the "ritual" then left the room and waited till the children exclaimed "i've got it". At which point the researcher would enter the room and give the child a reward. The study was very thorough, but I found myself asking myself to just go for the last step to get the reward with the black box, which suggests that adults have a different learning pattern.
dedeen 5 months ago
chimp: fuck it im hungry :l
santiogo369 5 months ago
the chimps are like fuck you we want the sweet
demonssouls11 6 months ago
aaawww were stupid :( human kind failed us
jltansy 6 months ago
surely those kids need a food reward more than the chimpanzee
6Buckaroo 6 months ago
@sobaixu as much as chimp researchers Darwinist and others would like you to believe chimpanzees are nowhere close to intelligent as humans. They are a bit smarter than other animals such as pigs dogs etc. but humanity is much much more intelligent than apes. chimp IQ's typically max out at 30-45 the iq of a severely restarted person. humanity maxes out at around 187 nearly 6 times smarter. which in my opinion shows that we couldnt have a common ancestor as there is no ancestor with an iq close
Alexper12 6 months ago
@Alexper12
I don't follow your train of thought or logic AT ALL. That makes absolutely and totally no sense.
DOG21211 5 months ago
@Alexper12 severely "retarted" huh.
arisgregorian 5 months ago
It has nothing to do with intelligence children will trust in the adult. If the adult says that the way to get the treat is to do steps 1 2 and 3 they will do 1 2 and 3 because they trust the person administering the test. the Chimps don't trust anyone because they don't have the feeling of trust so they will skip the previous steps. I'm sure most of the kids thought it was pointless but because the adult told them to do it that way they did it
Alexper12 6 months ago 21
@Alexper12: This is the important difference that enables children to learn things that need complex abstract ways (with no obvious gain at first) to reaching a goal. For example Take reading, complex social interactions and rules, maths, science, in fact all cultural achievements.
albedoshader 5 months ago
@Alexper12 That is stupid.
Mindless imitation is stupid and trust has nothing to do with it.
It's only an advantage because most people are stupid, and such mindless imitation lets stupid people complete tasks they don't and can't understand.
What of smart people who are born into this mindless system?
It was only an accident that Einstein made it threw college and the only job he could get was as a clerk in a patent office. Was there any reward other then fame for him? NO
abram730 4 months ago
@Alexper12 Chimps do trust. They do have a feeling of trust. Thumbs down. Nice try, but trying isn't enough, you fail. Chimps are simply smarter than humans in this matter.
FireStormBaller 4 months ago
@Alexper12 this has been proven even with adults, the elevator experiment. three people walk in facing one direction into an elevator with one guy. the one guy eventually turns in the same direction as the three people. then everyone takes their hat off, the one guy takes his hat off. now one has said he has to take his hat off. automatically like a robot humans seem to imitate the whole, which represents the authority. very few would not take their hat off when the many do.
cubachang 3 months ago
this is silly. do you people think that those chimps are even aware that the adults may expect something more? the child is unsure of what the adult wants from her because the task presented seems pointless. therefore they just do what they want them to do just to be safe. if nything this proves humans are even more intelligent because they understand how other individuals can think or react.
nAughtAyStripp3r 6 months ago
Chimps use wallhax
SAGEBOT500 6 months ago
Now if only you could try this on a kid like tom sawyer. I bet hed go ape on that box,
jnwpse 6 months ago
I have a question for the researchers. I have studied anthropology and have long been wondering why humans, as opposed to all other animals, seem to be pre disposed to BUILDING things. Animals don't make machines and houses and stuff on the level we do. Yes the make nests, etc, and basic tools for immediate needs, but why don't apes make hammers and build huts?, they obviously have the cognitive ability to figure it out. So why don't they, and why do we?
sobaixu 6 months ago 7
?? but why chalnge a 5 years old kid with 20 years chimp ? thos kids brains still growing and we can not present human by them !
msms47 6 months ago
That just shows that chimps a cheating bastards
movielineproductions 6 months ago
i think the kids take the long way because they werent shown the shortcut and because we are always thought to obey out orders like when your teacher says do your work you do it and dont stop until told otherwise
mindo61600 6 months ago 4
In our current debate of Student-Centered vs. teacher-centered methodologies in K-6 education in the U.S. and elsewhere, this research has HUGE implications! In prepping students for state wide, high stakes standardized assessments, perhaps teacher centered methods are the way to go.
donochoajapan 7 months ago
Why dont you compare human children with baby chimps? All children - human or not - instinctively copying adults.
terekhov 7 months ago
the point is the children brains are smarter than adults.the brain is growing more when the people are children.the memory is fast.they get the point faster than adult and understand faster than adult.so this exam was made with children
spikecemildamon 7 months ago
This was a central argument in the God Delusion. Children have developed an evolutionary skill - following the directions of adults. Natural selection has killed of the children who had the non direction following trait. They were the ones who ate the poisonous berries, swam in the lake with the gators or didn't look both ways before crossing the road.
The desirable trait of following directions also predisposes children to believing anything they are told about myths, fairy tales and religion.
Snboard976 7 months ago 2