What do you really think about Easy Goer? You,rscarbro, have agreed and stated that Beyer was correct on stating that "Easy Goer was the fastest and best two and three yr old since Secretariat, and Easy Goer was faster than Slew,Bid,Affirmed at the ages of two and three." You also said it was trainer error by his then young 36 yr old trainer, and rider error in one race,the Preakness. So what do you really feel? Agree or not?
I mention that Andy Beyer still states "Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and that Easy Goer ran faster and better than Slew,Bid and Affirmed at two and three years of age."
So now you are changing disagreeing with the Marylander Andy Beyer on stating that "Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat, and Easy Goer was faster and better at two and three years of age than Slew,Affirmed,Bid." You don't agree with the west coast Californian Bill Christine's article, "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelms Day's patience" and Day "made 3 big mistakes".
Bill Christine was a west coast Californian. Jay Hovdey was a west coast californian. Edwin Pope was a southerner. Dave Joseph was a southerner. Andy Beyer is a Marylander. Tom LaMarra was a midwestern and southwesterner.
The whole point was to say that according to Andy Beyer&many other experts, "Easy Goer was the fastest two&three year old since Secretariat,&faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid at the ages of two &three,by how fast his many races were."&that many experts cite&see the obvious on Day's bad riding,there is always going to be differing opinions on rides.Christine,Crist,Pope,Moran,Watchmaker,etc.Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown"&he writes about Day's "deliberate,passive,start,stop,patient."
I have listed all of these Christine articles Paul Moran,Crist citing that EG had legit excuses in both the Derby(track he spun his wheels over and didn't handle at all)&Preakness(bad ride).Edwin Pope-"Day cost EG a full head of steam down the backstretch,he put out the fire of a splendid champ in full flame with his repeated "I gave him a breather around the far turns in both races,start &stop,start&stop"Many all time greats would lose by a nose and neck when given breathers on far turns vsSS
The bottom line is through Beyer's words himself,and his speed numbers,etc, "Easy Goer was probably the fastest horse since Secretariat(not as fast), and he was faster at two and three years old than Seattle Slew,Affirmed,Bid." That is saying alot about him. You are misinterpreting some of his speed figures anyway. YOU THINK that because Groovy ran back to back beyers of 133,132 and General Assembly ran a 130, that makes them two the fastest horse since SEC?&Faster than Slew,Aff,Bid??
@EASYGOER4LIFE My mistake my good man but he was hit 8 times in the Belmont not six. Blow the screen up full size & look real close. Besides I believe it was Steve Haskins that said a jockey need not to hit his horse more than 7 times to get him to his Max. speed. and will try to find that article.
@rscarbro100 I've watched the Belmont of Easy Goer's thousands of times on my high def tv, he was hit 6 times all left handed , not 8, and was hand ridden the whole last furlong effortlessly coasting in. Doesn't mean he would have ran faster than maybe 2:25.2, no horse was coming close to 2:24 flat. Exactly, I said Crist said EG had legitamite excuses in the Derby(spinning his wheels on a track he hated) and Preakness(bad ride).
@rscarbro100 Not&never would say Easy Goer,even with his many,many amazing performances, was as great and fast as Secretariat.My main point was simply to state that even Andy Beyer stated Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,&faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid at two and three. And that many experts noted Day's bad riding costing the horse twice. Heck, it probably doesn't mean much,but Day called his Preakness ride,"total rider error"&his Classic ride,"not my best ride."
There also is some question to some of the Beyers for Easy Goer. For instance, in Ray Paulick's book, he has Easy Goer's Belmont at 126. He also has Easy Goer's Whitney at 122, Travers at 124, Suburban at 122,Classic at 124, even his SLOW Jockey Club Gold Cup at 122 because the track was extremely slow. Sounds to me like EG beyered these amazing beyers on SLOW tracks and fast tracks. "While the tracks were fast,they were NOT freaky,souped up.Easy Goer ran faster than Slew,Aff,Bid at 2,3."
Use all have to remember phar laps heart was huge allowing him to push more oxygen into his muscles at full sprint, which in turn made it possible for him to stay at that speed for a longer time.
@bbmtge There is no hope for her my good man.She digs herself into a deeper hole with every post. I would be totally ashamed for writing such bullshit. She will not quit form being a complete dumb little asshole. Can'y wait for her next post. I am laughing before she does. Do they make a pill to stop one from laughing so hard? If they do I will take one today.(smile)
Here is the facts. Jacola the little 3 yr;, old filly was the best in 1938 not Seabiscuit or War Admiral. She kicked Seabiscuits ass 2 weeks before the match race breaking the Laurel Park race course in 1:37 flat. Seabiscuit finished 2 lengths back. You heard it right a 1:37 flat for a mile. How slow can a stake horse go. She beat older horses 4 times in one month. She was the champ. Why people make more out of a horse than what they really are I will never know. The excitement I guess.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Secretariat ran a 2:24 Belmont Stakes that still stands. He was in a class all by himself. He set the standards in which all other horses are measured. Not Phar Lap. Give me a break ;Bias' little Aussie. I guess Evans is the only thing Aussies have right now and he is only a bike rider. Guess he was better than Lance Armstrong hear you to tell it. You people are sick and totally unbelievable nuts.
@rscarbro100 LOL so you are saying that horses like jorrocks, makybe diva, carbine, phar lap, SUNLINE, kingston rule who by the way was a son of secretariat, strawberry road, peter pan and so many others cant compare to secretariat when he doesnt even hold the world record for a 1 1/2 all out! he only holds it on dirt! and aussie horse holds it on sand and i think its kelso who holds it on turf!
secretariat never won 14 races in a row. never raced over 1 1/2 miles but phar lap did all of that!
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Who told you Secretariat was 'All Out' in the Belmont? Another lie. Kelso does not hold it on turf either. Its a horse named The Hawkster done at Sanita Anita race track the same track he broke Fiddle Isle record of 2:23 flat. A track that is slightly downhill as well. Red Smith said if asked by Turcotte he would have broken that record. He won the Belmont by a hand ride without raising a sweat as quoted by Bloodhorse editor Kent Hollingsworth & many others. Cont.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing His fractions in the Belmont were slow compared to his workout times in 'MUD'. 45 2/5, 1:09 1/5 & 1:34 flat for the mile. Belmont time was 46 1/5, 1:09 4/5 and 1:34 1/5. And you want to say he was 'All Out'. Give me a break. He had faster fractions in the Marlboro Cup victory setting a World Record. running the 3/4 mile in 1:09 2/5 and 1:33 flat passing the 1 mile post. You have no idea how fast this horse was. Cont.
@rscarbro100 you do know that woodcock wasnt phar laps trainer!
also, i laugh at the fact that you say nothing about secretariat only racing over 1 1/2 mile ONCE and phar lap racing over 1 1/2 miles like 8 times and only lost once which was where he carried 10.10 stone, secretariat was to much of a little speed horse to handle distances. ALSO you say i know nothing about hrose racing when you obviously dont know that Phar Lap had a shattered hoof in the agua!
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Who was Phar Lap trainer? I do not hate the horse Phar Lap. Its the other way around you hate Secretariat. His record show nothing that he could have ran with Secretariat period. What running at long distances many times have anything to do with being the best? I do not care like you were a horse came from. If Secretariat came form Australia or the moon it makes no difference to me. Phar Lap record clearly show he was not capable of running a 1 1/2 mile race in 2:24
@rscarbro100 who said i hated secretariat? if i hated him then why would i make 2 videos with him in them and one dedicated to him? YOU hate Phar Lap, you have a history of dragging him down! And who are you to say he could not have run with secretariat? Phar Lap carried heavier weight in his 12 furlong races then secretariat, secretariat carried cookies compared to Phar Laps bricks! Secretariat could clearly not run with Phar Lap at anything over 12f, because he wasnt built for distances!
@rscarbro100 oh and also, Phar Laps trainer was Harry Telford!
You know why Phar Lap was made to carry rediculous weights? Because he was the best! Tommy made the owners confront the racing association about the weights, and they told them if they tried to drop the races then they would make sure that phar lap would never race again! Tommy cared for that horse more then any strapper has ever cared for any horse, he was with phar lap for his final breath! He left his wife to be with Phar Lap!
Ingredients of some of them include arsenic, strychnine, belladonna, cocaine and caffeine - poisonous in large amounts but used to give horses an extra edge in the days before swabbing. The article was written by James Duncan April 24, 2008. Now how about that my good lady. Cheating is bad you know and Aussies don't like to tell the whole story do they? Other than the 67 kg. he never carried more weight than Kelso & lost that race. Arcaro said Big Red was best.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Eddie Arcaro was at Auga in 1933 and watched Phar Lap and it is well documented he said Secretariat was the fastest horse he ever seen and rated him the best he ever seen. He seen Phar Lap, rode Whirlaway, Citation, Kelso and other great horses. The 'Master' knew who the best was. I listen to him and other knowledgeable horseman not the johnnycomelatelys. Phar Lap could not hold his record at Auga for 1 year before a donkie horse like Gallant Sir broke it. Cont.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Phar Lap's trainer gave the horse tonics that contained arsenic, strychnine, belladonna, cocaine and caffeine. The article says those ingredients were given to horses in small quantities in the past, as stimulants, before a race.Source Independant Sunday written by Kathy Marks dated 25 april, 2008. The diary can be found at Museum Victoria. Go & read the diary lady if you not to scared to find the 'Truth'.This is what asshole Woodcock did to his horse. What a shame.
@rscarbro100 oh and also, continuing, phar lap raced in more races, won more races, had a longer winning streak, carried heavier weights, raced more years, and was never whipped once, unlike secretariat!
i know you are to much of a secretariat fan to realise that he wasnt the best, and i also know that you have a history of hating on phar lap, so why is that? because you really know that he was a better horse than secretariat? phar lap raced on tougher surfaces an secretariat had walks in parks
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Don't tell me it was Harry Telford. Woodcock was the stand in trainer. Telford made up the fomula and orderd Woodcock to give it to him. Its all on record. So don;t tell me Woodcock was not his trainer. Why won't you comment about giving him those stimulants to help him perform & go faster. No horse can run on a damaged hoof without killing the pain with morphine. If you know anything you would have known that. You know in your heart Phar Lap was no Big Red. jealous Aussie.
@rscarbro100 LOL woodcock was MADE to give it to him! the only reason telford made woodcock give it to phar lap is because woodcock is the only one he would let near his food and water!
LOL you do know that phar lap was big red 1st right? and for good reason! being 17 1/2 hands tall and THE BEST! your just jealous because phar lap was strong enough to carry the weights he did and run with injury and the 1st time secretariat did that he came 3RD! and phar lap came 1ST!he nevr had the whip either
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Listen at you little 'KID'. Sure Phar Lap was big and of course he should have handle more weight but he could not handle 67 kg. He should have being that big. With all the dope he took he should have handle 80 kgs. You know why Secretariat came in 3rd to Angle Light a horse he beat 3 times before & beat his ass by 12 lenghts in the Derby a track record that still stands. A record that even a donkey like Gallant Sir could not beat but did beat Phar Lap record. Holy Cow.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing LOL Phar Lap only could manage a 2:02 4/5 for a 1 1/4 mile being a older horse matured. Pegasus still a 3 yr. old ran the Derby clay track in 1:59 2/5 taking the long route. Was a 1:59 flat at the 1 1/4 post in the Belmont. DRF clockers clocked him in 1:57 4/5 pullng up in the M.C. Let me see here. WOW, thats 5 full seconds or 25 lenghts better than Phar Lap at Auga. I'm laughing in the floor. Have you got any common sense at all? No wonder Arcaro said Big Red faster.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I am glad you admiitted Woodcock giving him that 'DOPE' Now you know why Phar Lap won his races. I guess he was the best of all time 'Dopped Up' horse. Congratulations. BTW Man 0' War was 1st Big Red and BTW Secretariat was the prettiest Big Red. Please don't be jealous of that too.
@rscarbro100 LOL phar lap was 17 1/2 hands of pure perfecion and beauty! secretariat was like what 15 hands of scrappy build?
phar lap was big red and red terror, and he won races before telford even started "dopping" him up, infact he was hardly ever "dopped up"
dont be jealous just because phar lap was better then your little nag!
also if you think man o war was so great, ruffians slowest races were still faster then man o wars fastest =P phar lap raced distances, secretariat didnt
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him." Richard Stone Reeves said Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned thoroughbred have have ever seen. Only 2 horses Secretariat & Affirmed has been in the same class as Buckpasser. Injuries of the hoof is usually caused by poor conformation and have warts on their face like Phar Lap. I'm laughing in the floor.
@rscarbro100 you do know that by calling me "bias" you call yourself it too, you think your special amercan horses are the best because you obviously are one, and you call aussies disgusting? wow, go check out your own country because australia had and has horses that make your lot look like nags with no direction on how to run but in a circle
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I am simply telling the truth my good lady. There is nothing Bias about telling the truth. Secretariat got the record he is the fastest horse of all time. Breaking world records tells the measure of the horse and winning the Belmont without raising a sweat measures his stamina like no other horse. You or anyone cannot deny it. Remember his recod still stands. No horse on dirt has came within 9 lengths of him. No horse ever in history and that only half of the story.
@rscarbro100 breaking the world record? HAH! you want the fastest horse? FASHION! she still holds the world record for 4 MILES! in which it was a match race where she beat the great boston! infact, she beat him twice! she went indefeated in her first 23 starts, a record that is still untouched! and with a record that hardly any can match of 36: 32-4-0! and she always raced at 2-4miles! that is greatness! and i think they are already saying that BLACK CAVIAR is the fastest horse ever!
@RuffianQueenOfRacing You gotta be kidding. I just can't believe you. A horse name Fashion who ran back in the 1830's. Do you know how long it took Fashion to run that 4 mile race? Right, 7 minutes and 32 1/2 seconds. Are you embarrass now? The Pony Express horses that carried the mail in the wild west ran it faster than that I believe. You have just blown my mind with this post. I just cannot get over it. WOW, Can anyone keep from laughing after reading this. Are you a comedian by trade?
@rscarbro100 7 minutes and 32 1/2 seconds for 6kms? thats like a minute after a car traveling 6ks going 100km p/hr!
no comment on how EVERY horse person/expert and so on are all saying that Black Caviar is the fastest horse they have ever seen? not one mention of secretariat there! looks like hes been forgotton by who actually is important =P
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Lets see here now. Black Caviar ran the Darley T. J. Smith Stakes on grass carrying 124 lbs in 1:08. 71 and you say all the experts said she was the fastest horse they have ever seen? Were they drunk? Do they know the world record for that distance on grass? In case you don't know its 1:06.82. She never set a worl record so how can they say she is the fastest they ever seen. I guess they never seen them other horses that were faster. Holy Cow lady or are you a little girl?
@rscarbro100 WOW! you ARE stupid! you go to say that black caviar ran 6 furlongs in 1:08.71 and then you go to say secretariat running long distances? WOW! you arnt just stupid you are pathetic!
black caviars fastest 6 furlong so far is 1:07.36, ALSO black caviar NEVER ran in this so called "darley t.j smith stakes"! she ran in the "T.J Smith Stakes" but no darley! you are def stupid!
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I will forgive you for calling me stupid. I know now that you are a little girl & will treat you as such. Please type in 2011 Darley J.C. Smith Stakes youtube. Don't be surprised to see Black Caviar winning this race with Hay List 2nd & Triple Honour coming in 3rd. Maybe you will think twice before you call some one stupid again. I am very sorry to embarrass you again.Like I said before stay with me and you will learn something.(smile)
@rscarbro100 oh so now its the darley j.c smith stakes? WOW she never ran in that so caled race! and also, canter is a word many people on youtube use, ask 65guitargirl she even has me a friend on facebook, she knows who i am and knows this is my only account! ALSO are you to stupid and blind to see that black caviar was slowed to a canter in the lightning AND the newmarket which is where she ran 1:07.36! if you think i am whoever this evyn is then you truly are a sore little stupid child
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Did you go to that youtube race called Darley J.C. Smith Stakes uploaded by BCworldchampions dated June 29, 2011? Darley is written all over them gates. Better call these people and tell them how stupid they are. Can you read? Do you know how to go to this race I just posted? Yes not and your calling me stupid. You are Evyn. You jump from horse to horse trying to compare horses with Secretariat. Evyn did the same thing. Go to that race & tell me the name of it stupid.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing You are the 'Canter' woman. You can have many accounts here as you like using different user names. How stupid you think people are? Not as stupid as you of course. Who will be the next horse you find to compare to Secretariat Evyn. We all know who you are so go ahead and admit it. You lose again.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Look what we have here!!! It is the Queen of chickenshit, the LIAR, the fantasy moron, the flip-flop artist, the irrational idiot, the ass who so afraid of her own shadow she has multipple youtube names to try and fool others...BUT...most important, she is the BIPOLAR LIAR!!! She even responds to the name evyn. The exact same M.O. and asinine BS.
Tell me about the track at Belmont in 1973!!! Can't wait you putrified LYING ASS!!!
@bbmtge oh and look what we have over there, it couldnt be rscarbro with another account could it? oh yeah it could!
and why would i not "respond" to be calling whoever this evyn is when i am cleary not them, you just think that because more then one person has the guts to stand up to you and not take your shit then they are the same person, which is really sad and quite pathetic, so why dont you go on living your life rscarbro/bbmtge and a whole lot of other youtube names you are nothing to me
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Anyone in this world that has an ounce of sense can easily tell me & bbmtge are two different persons the way we write out post. You & Evyn post exactly the same. Use the very same points of view & use the same words you just do not find in other posts. Any idiot detective can find you. You fail miserably masking your identity. Please tell me the name of that race were I told you to go. What are you scared of. Go ahead & say it. Darley J.C. Smith Stakes. right?
@RuffianQueenOfRacing On Man 0' War video you jumped from him to Count Fleet, them to Dr. Fager and then Kelso to compare them to Secretariat. No one could figure out which horse was your favorite. Here you do the same. Its Phar Lap, then its Fashion and now its Black Caviar. All eased to a Cantor and so many other signs Same with Eddie Arcaro. Will not believe Eddie & must ask him when you get to heaven just like what Slew101 said. It goes on & on like the energizer bunny. Congratulations Evyn.
@rscarbro100 ive never even heard of dr fager or count fleet!
ALSO are you too stupid to realise that black caviar IS A MARE!? i think she is the best mare,ruffian the best filly which is she is called by many the queen of racing!
im sorry for the fact that you are the one using multiple accounts, that you are the one with the problem that 2 people or more than 2 people share the same opinions, you said i was like "evyn" because i said canter, does that mean the race announcers are evyn too?
@RuffianQueenOfRacing In most cases a thoroughred race horse is not called a mare until she is over 4 yrs. of age little girl. You know exactly what I was taling about. You are grasping at anything. Everyone can see who the stupid one is. You know about Fashion who raced in the early 1830's and you want everyone to believe you know nothing about Count Fleet #5 & Fager # 6 voted by Bloodhorse best of all time and you want us to believe you know somethng about horse racing. Pleaseeeeeee
@rscarbro100 and black caviar is 5, so she is a mare!
ALSO i dont pay attention to american horses that much because australian horses actually race in races with real weights, and against competition, not little show ponies that run a circle against horses that are allowence and handicap horses!
and sorry for the fact that i am also more interested in americas past horses because they are a thousand times better then the crap they have today!
@RuffianQueenOfRacing You cannot count or you do not have any idea when Black Caviar was foaled. Again you show your ignorance.She was foaled 18 Aug., 2006 and will not be 5 yrs. until 18th of Aug., 2011. Have you already crawed under a rug to hide by now? I would if I made stupid statements like you. Name me those weights Australian horses carry and those so called competition horses. Your lack of knowdedge is sour to say the least. I'm still laughing when you say Black Caviar is 5. Hehehe
@rscarbro100 so does that mean i can laugh because you said a filly is not a mare until she is over 4 years of age, when black caviar is over 4 years of age and only 12 days until she is 5! Jorrocks carried weights like 65-70 kgs from 2-6 miles and raced until he was 27, just for an example, oh and also makybe diva, carrying the heaviest weight for a female for 2 miles
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I did not say a filly is a mare. You said Black Caviar was 5 yrs. old did you not? Now you know after I taught you that a horse is over 4 yrs. is a mare. You say Black Caviar was 5 yrs. old. Admit you are wrong. Now you go jump to another horse Evyn like you normally do. I thought we were talking about Black Caviar. Black Caviar never raced more than a 6 furlong race. What a sissy mare. You cannot laugh at your teacher littler girl. Stay with me & you will learn. Hehehe
@RuffianQueenOfRacing You did it again. Jarrocks complete racing record is unknown. His last raced at the age of 19 far as any record shows.. Started at 5 yrs. of age in 1838. Didn't race again until 1840. Was first used as a 'Stock' horse. He died at the age of 27. Where in the hell do you get he race until he was 27? Please go back to school and learn to read. Pleaseeeeeeeee. Again, can't wait for you next post. I am laughing myself to death. Your killing me.
@rscarbro100 jorrocks was 95: 65-22 but his 3rd are unknown!
have you heard of an american horse always racing from 2-6 miles? carrying weights from 65-70kgs? even racing until they were 19? holding the record for most wins in one season? i havnt! america has ponies compared australias horses!
a sissy horse? black caviar is a sprinter not a distance horse! just because all of americas sprint horses are slow ass!
you think im evyn? you are stupid, i know who i am not you, so grow up a little
@RuffianQueenOfRacing How can you honestly debate the great racing thoroughbreds and you know nothing about the greatest race horses ever to run on this planet like Man 0' War, Count Fleet, Citation, Kelso, Dr. Fager, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Affirmed and many more who set all the world records. Amercian thoroughbreds set all the standards. Secretariat is 'THE' standard for all other horses. Its a fact so live with it. If you know nothing about these horses what are you doing here?
why would i need to know anything about those horses when this video has NOTHING to do with them? so i believe you should ask yourself what you are doing here little one
@RuffianQueenOfRacing This was your quote in a earlier post. phar lap was a champion with weights, and he was fast with weights, he would have beaten secretariat if he carried the same tiny weight as he did! End of quote. You mwere the one that drw first blood. This is why I am on here because you Aussies say Phar Lap was better just because he carried more weight in a few of his races and when he did carry that 10 stones he lost miserably. He did not ever run a WR carring any kind of weights.
@rscarbro100 Phar Lap as a 3 yr. old ran 20 races. Lost 5 races in a row carring 100 to 104 bs. Won next 4 races carrying 117 to 122 lbs. Lost next 2 races carrying 104 to 122 lbs. Won next 9 races carring 111 to 122 lbs. Only 3 of them were 122 lbs and the rest were well below that and finally he won the last race as a 3 yr. old carring 131 lbs. WOW, what a weight carrying 3 yr. old he was. What a joke. Do you want me to post those little weights he carried as a 4 yr. old?
@RuffianQueenOfRacing At Auga Phar Lap carried only 129 lbs. If he ran against Secretariat as a 3 yr. old his weight is 126 and Secretariat 117lbs. If Secretariat carried 126 Phar Lap weight suppose to be 135 lbs. So Secretariat running the K.Y. Derby at 126 lbs is 5 lbs better than Phar Lap running at Auga carring 129 lbs. That mature Phar could only mange a 2:02 4/5 time on a hard surface track. The Derby Clay track is much slower tha Auga fast track.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing In the Marlboro Cup Secretariat carried 124 lbs. Riva Ridge carried 126. Daily Racing Forum said Secretariat was 7 lbs better. Ran a time in 1:57 4/5 pulling up at the 1 1/4 post. 9 lbs is the correct weight for age difference. It is easy to see Secretariat could have carried 136 lbs and beat Phar Lap at any distance with Phar Lap carrying only 129 lbs.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing 12 of those 20 races as a 3 yr. old Phar Lap carried 100 to 116 lbs. That weight allowance horses carry in America. Thats right allowance horses which are not even stake horses and you want to say Secretariat carried tiny weights.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing How do you like this. 4 yr. old well matured Phar Lap carrying 123 lbs lost to 8 yr. old grandpa Amountis carrying 126 lbs. in a mile race on grass in a time of 1:38 flat. That time is what American allowance horses run on a dirt track with one turn. Dr. Fager WR carrying 134 lbs same age as Phar Lap when he ran his mile against Amountis set the WR in 1:32 1/5. Since you don't know the Dr. I guess you did not know that.Please don't compare Aussies horses against Americans.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing A real 4 yr. old thoroughbred mature racing horse does not run a 1:38 flat mile carrying 123 feather weights.. Barn ponies and donkies do. Donkies are not thoroughbreds And furthermore if your Australian horses do not look like a show horse then your horses are ugly than hell just like a donkey. Secretariat was a 'Stake' horse who could run a 12 clip with 'EASE' for a 1 1/2 mile distance on dirt. Still no horse in history as came within 1 4/5 seconds of him. Hehehe
@rscarbro100 the only good looking horse america has ever had was Ruffian, and they raced her to death, along with many other promising fillies!
auzzie horses actually look like horses, black caviar, makybe diva, sunline, talk about beautiful horses, talk about horses that actually look like horses!
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him." Renowned horse painter Richard Stone Reeves said, "Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned Thoroughbred I have ever seen." Only two horses, Secretariat and Affirmed, have since been "in a class with Buckpasser". Eddie Arcaro said he was the prettiest horse he ever seen, Seen all since Phar Lap. Hehehe
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Your not only jealous of Secretariat being the fastest and best race horse of all time your so bad your even jealous of his unbelievble looks. Any sane person knows Secretriat is the most perfect looking horse of all times. Ask your own Tom smith. Hehehe He is incredible is he not? Hehehe
@rscarbro100 There are many factors to take into account when assessing a throughbred's greatness: speed, stamina, durability, versatility, courage, and to meet and vanquish the best competion available. Secretariat and Phar Lap were both great horses, each claiming to have been the greatest of all time. You do not honour their memory by denigrating either. A ture lover of the thoroughbred would never do that.
@SvendBosanvovski Eddie Arcaro knew all the factors you take into account when assessing a thoroughbred.. Just look at the horses he raced and rode. Whirlaway, Citation, Assualt, Kelso, Nashua, Bold Ruler and many more.He was a Agua when Phar Lap raced. He clearly said Secretariat was the fastest and best he ever seen. If you want reference I have them my friend. Who to have better known than the 'Master'? Kelso carried much weight many times yet Arcaro said Secretariat the better.
@rscarbro100 Yes, he sure did, and its a matter of record that he expressed the view that Phar lap was the greatest horse he'd seen. Whether that was before he saw Secretariat. I would think that Secretariat's win in the Belmont was the greatest single performance of any horse, anywhere. It still gives you goosebumps watching it after almost 40 years. To have run 2m 24 is simply unbelievable. No horse has got near that time in the intervening period.
@SvendBosanvovski Maybe you need to debate Laura Hillenbrand. Quote: Phar Lap. Thanks to our peculiar tendency to attribute every virtue to those who meet untimely deaths, the surest route to unqualified acclaim is to live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse. In 1932 an Australian racehorse named Phar Lap did just that, setting an American speed record for winning an overblown reputation. It took him only two minutes, two and 4/5ths seconds, and he didn't even do it in America.Cont.
@rscarbro100 I am aware of that remark and place no store in it at all. To suggest Phar Lap had an over blown reputation displays a real lack of knowledge of his ability - it an Americo centric view. She is an unmitigated champion of Sea Biscuit - and good luck to her. He was a great horse, too. But you won't get far countering opinion of one writer with another.
@SvendBosanvovski Laura was the author of Sea Biscuit and other books she written. Believe she knew and read a lot about Phar Lap and is very aware of his ocean trip, bad hoof and all. Maybe she can give you more insight about the matter. Much more than me I'm sure.
@rscarbro100 I have her two award winning books. There are two very good book on Phar Lap written in the part of the world, and you seem like the sort of fellow who would like to have then in your collection. Graham Putt: "Phar Lap - the Untold Story" and Armstong & Thompson's : "Phar Lap". The first mentioned goes into the strength of the Agua Caliente field and compares Phar Lap with Equipoise, the US champion of the time. I found it very absorbing.
@rscarbro100 All due respect to Ms Hillenbrand - a very fine writer on the subject of the American throughbred - would know very little about the Australian racing is not an authority on Phar Lap. My mother, who was coincidentally born the same day as Phar Lap, sat on his back when she was 3. Her father, a battling owner trainer, was best mates with Jimmy Pike, the jockey who rode him during the famous Flemington onslaught in 1930. That was when Phar Lap was at his unbeatable best.
@SvendBosanvovski And not knockibng Count Fleet but a fact he won by 25 lengths in the Belmont to who? They were not even stakes horses he beat. Its on record they were allowance horses and what was Hoodwink? don't believe he was even a claimer who Man 0' War beat by 100 lengths in whom many said Hoodwink quit by the time they got halfway through the race. Search the horses Phar Lap beat in the 1930 AJC Plate race and tell me what substance they were.
@rscarbro100 I have all that. You are teaching me nothing. Phar Lap beat a number af outstanding horses with contemptuous ease. When he was beaten folloing his AJC Derby win it was in shoerter at the beginning of a campaign. Horses back then didn't have the luxury of dedicated private course as the Sheik has today. They got fit on the track in lead up raced to their main target. Pahr lap win from 6.5 f to 2.25 miles against top class horses. You tell me any US champion that managed that.
@SvendBosanvovski My good lady the competition Phar Lap beat in Australia was nowhere the horses that ran here in this country. All the horses he race at Agua were not the top horses American had to offer and the ones he raced against at Agua had a lot to be desired. Check their record if you can find it. If you knew anything about American racing they do not run 2.25 miles here. Name me the outstanding horses Phar Lap beat & their record of the horses they beat.
@rscarbro100 As pointed our below, Graham Putt gave detailed consideration to the whole of the Agua Cliente field in his book and convincingly shows that a number of the starters were competitive at the highest level. The US champion Equipoise was injured and couldn't compete, but horses he just managed to beat lined up against Phar Lap and looked very ordinary indeed. I know you don't run 2.25 miles races there. Kingston Rule was US bred and won a 2 miler here.
@rscarbro100 I knew an old bloke who saw him win the 1930 AJC Plate, displaying the same arrogance Secretariat did in the Belmont 40 years later. He cleared out by 30 lens being eased finally to win by 10, breaking the Australiasia record for 2.25 miles by 6.5 secs (could have 12). Expert clockers swore he broke every course record at Randwick from a 7f on. To suggest that his continuing fame rests on his early death is, frankly, laughable. He was a national hero before he left these shores.
@SvendBosanvovski This is the 1st I ever heard this story from old Bloke. Never mention in is biography. Wonder why? I hear stoires like this from all the MOW, Count Fleet, Citation, The Bid and many more who claim they were faster than Secretariat because they were 'Eased', Pulled up and if really wanted to could have beaten Secretariat records. That just don't cut the grade my friend. Its very easy to say Secretariat could as well and he proved it by experts timing him much faster.
@rscarbro100 Do a bit of research and view the press reports of the time - they should be accessible on Trove -rather than dismissing what people of that gneration recall. They had no electronic timers in those days, or indeed, photo finish camera. The timining was done by hand, and the two or three official timers compared times and concurred before a record was recognised. At his peak, Phar Lap broke records nearly every time he stepped out without being tested.
@SvendBosanvovski And it is on record he was timed much faster 'Pulling Up[ in the Belmont, Marlboro Cup and the Man 0' War race by private clockers of the Daily Racing Forum. And clockers timed him in his workouts breaking records pulling up & thats on record. Tall tales has been told by many but there is no record of it whether its true or not.. No doubt some are true but most if searched you find are not true and are strecth a bit ike most tall tales are.
@rscarbro100 Tall tales? Phar lap was the most scrutised champion of the Australian turf becuase of his fame. 10 million people switched on to either watch or hear the broadcasts of his races. In your zeal to denigrate his achievements, you choose to dismiss every claim made for him as fiction. Read the books I have recommended, do some sound research and you will alter your view.
@SvendBosanvovski The Barbaro fans claim he was the best ever. I am speechless. He had only 5 races before winning the Derby. Hate what happen to him. They say he was great because he did not race 5 weeks before the Derby. & won by 8 lengths. Guess they forgot about Secretariat who did not race for 6 wks. coming off a serious illness & had only 4 workouts in 2 wks. & still broke WR taking the long route and timed 'Pulling Up' the 1 1/4 mile in 1:57 4/5. Source DRF. How about that Barbaro fans.
@rscarbro100 I am not qualified to compare the US greats, but I know a great champion when I see one. Secretariat, Man O'War and Citation lay claims to having been the greatest. The only other contenders in my book were Sea Bird, Ribot and Phar Lap. Oh by the way, a great Kiwi mare died this week - Horlicks. She ran 2400m in 2m 22.2 secs in Japan on turf, then a world record. That's about 10 lens quicker than Secretariat, even with his run up start. Yeah, times are deceptive.
@SvendBosanvovski Maybe you need to know just as much about Secretariat as you do Phar Lap before you can make a comparison my good lady.Far as Horlocks goes he ran on a track so fast that the experts never made a big deal out of it. They knew the reason why he ran that time just as well why The Hawskster ran that 2:22 4/5 on a turf track that Bill Christine said was running 3 seconds faster than usual at Santa Anita a track that is slighty downhill and super fast. Its on record.
@rscarbro100 Who's confused? I'm a he, and Horlicks was a she. Everyone in racing here knows about Secretariat. Two recent books and a movie. My point about Horlicks time, if you had read my posting carefully, is that she never got near that in Australia and New Zealand. Times are deceptive. Santa Anita has a long, variable run up, as you know, which wins a horse a big flying start. That's why the times are exceptionally fast there.
@SvendBosanvovski Another example about fast track & great times. Easy Goer ran the Gotham in 1:32 2/5 1 second off the Great Doctor's record. I wonder why. Yes he was a fast horse. Bill Finely said that track was extroardinary fast and Steven Crist called it a 'Spectaculary' fast track. And even Easy Goer trainer said he doubted the time because the track was running so fast. Its all on record. Put Secretariat on a Santa Anita or that Japan track and see what happens. Possibly taken flight.
@rscarbro100 Yes, tracks can be super fast if allowed to dry. Some have downhill sections. Your Jockey's Rules allow a run up from the chute to the timer not permitted in OZ. Horlick never ran a time that fast in Australia or New Zealand. The world record on turf is now held by a horse that set it at at the same track. Deep Impact's 2 mile turf record was also set on a fast Japanese track. When Makybe Diva raced there she couldn't handle the hardness of the track.
@rscarbro100 He said, she said??Well,the man himself, ANDY BEYER, SAID himself, in regards to Easy Goer's tracks in the Gotham,Belmont,Travers,Whitney,Champagne,Suburban,etc, BEYER said this: "While the tracks were fast,they were absolutely NOT,NOT freaky,souped up kind of fast,and from a speed-performance standpoint,Easy Goer ran faster and better than Affirmed,Seattle Slew,Alydar,Spectacular Bid did." Crist also said EG could be mentioned up there w/Citation,Man O'War,Secretariat in some cases
@EASYGOER4LIFE Beyer was talking about the Easy Goer Belmont not being souped up not the other races. He said the track was about the usual fast and if you read a little further down the page he said it was running about 1 to 2 ticks faster than usual.The highest speed rating he ever gave Easy Goer in any of his races was a 124. The Gotham was 118. Wonder why only a 118? The damm track was burning so damm fast and you know what Miller said about that Whitney track. The fastest he ever seen.
@rscarbro100 LOL! What article are you talking about? The Beyer article I am referring to is completely different,it was in the Schenectedy Gazette via the Washington Post. There were also some snippets in his book beyer on speed in reference to Easy Goer being the fastest two year old of the 80's,90's,2000's.
@rscarbro100 In a different article from what you are reading, Beyer talks about Easy Goer's overall performannces at two years old,three yrs old,&in his few starts at four. Not only does Beyer state that "Easy Goer was the fastest two year old of the 80's,90's,2000's,but faster&better,at both two&three years old, than Affirmed,Seattle Slew,Alydar and Bid."Also in Easy Goer's Belmont, he was hit SIX(6) times and was hand ridden the entire final furlong,maybe he runs 2:25.2,but not no 2:24,no way
@EASYGOER4LIFE I really don't understand what your saying about Day having baby hands. Just count how many times he was whipped in the Derby, Preakness, Belmont and Breeders races. If you call that baby hands I hate to see if he had monster hands. Crist gave no excues for the Breeders race. He said The Easy had a straight shot at S.S. in the strecth hitting him 17 times and did not get to him with S.S. not once hit with the whip. Now what jockey had the baby hands there?
@rscarbro100 LOL! You yourself have called Day's riding awful. Baby hands is specifically this: Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown", and he describes Day's riding as "deliberate,passive," Day calls his own riding on Easy Goer "absolute rider error".Day also used his start and stop,start and stop,start and stop,"I gave him breathers around the far turn in both races."Funny, Crist also said EG had legitamite excuse in the Derby(a track he spun his wheels over) and Preakness(bad ride)
@EASYGOER4LIFE Only in the Preakness it was rider error my good man. No rider error in the Derby its was The Easy did not like the muddy track, No rider error in the breeders cup either. Giving a horse a breather is not rider error. How would you or anyone know if he did not give him a breather he would have won. Horses don't go all out from start to finish.And just what race did he stop and start so much my good man?
@rscarbro100 LOL! I didn't say that simply giving a horse a breather was a mistake. Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown", there is a lot talked about Pat Day's "deliberate,passive,overly patient" riding and it costing his mounts many times.All you have to do is watch the start and stop,start and stop,start and stop,start and stop rides in both the Preakness nostril loss in 1:53.4 and Classic loss by a desperate neck.
@rscarbro100 You yourself have called some of Day's rides(plural) on Easy Goer very bad, mainly in the Preakness and Classic by a nostril and desperate neck. No doubt that S.S deserves A LOT of credit for being another great horse who could take full advantage,even if the margins were by a nostril in 1:53.4 and neck in Classic. There were many experts who stated the obvious about Day's riding-Joe Drape's book,Edwin Pope,Bill Christine,Paul Moran,Crist,etc.
@EASYGOER4LIFE I watched the Easy Goer Belmont just as many times myself my good man. The one I watched is more clear than the rest. Its the one posted by sasasasaoo. Were on 2 occassion were Day hit him 2 times fairly quick with a ong high hit and 2 low hits. Look at that video my friend but it does not make any difference. He did not slow down one bit after the whipping quit and very easy to see. Do you think if he hit him some more he would had run faster?
@rscarbro100 I have my high def tv and have watched it thousands of times. Day hit him exactly, six times, all left handed, and he actually opened up and ran much better being hand ridden the whole last furlong. He ran better while being hand ridden than being hit, he easily could have went faster in the Belmont whether hit or not, he seemed to open up even more being hand ridden the whole last furlong
@EASYGOER4LIFE Day and his trainer agreed only in the Preakness there was rider error and not the other races in which the trainer said other factors were the reasons but not Day riding. did you see the photo finish in the Preakness? S.S. won by a long nose and The Easy head was not cocked when they crossed the finish line. Thats a fact. The Easy was fast but clearly S.S. was just as fast to the 1 1/4 mile.
@rscarbro100 Here is the quote posted by Christine sounds of silence. "Pat and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness," McGaughey said. "But in the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened."
There were two points in the Classic that hurt Easy Goer, McGaughey said. The horse tried to lug in shortly after the start and had trouble negotiating the far turn, when Easy Goer was trying to cut into Sunday Silence's lead. End of quote
@rscarbro100 You want Christine articles to read?? Here are a few: Read Bill Christine's article titled, "Maybe It's Time Easy Goer Gets a Different Rider" from Nov. 8, 1989, where he talks about Day's start and stop,start and stop riding and gets quotes from trainers on the riding and his awful ankles. Also read Bill Christine's article,"Valenzuela's aggressive riding Overwhelms Day's Patience" and talks about all of Day's many mistakes. Read Paul Moran's article, Too long a wait for rematch."
@EASYGOER4LIFE It is clear by now that Sunday Silence may not be much better than Easy Goer at 1 1/4 miles, but he is better. This is what Christine said in that article 'Maybe its time Easy Goer to get a different rider. The reason for the title of the article was that some die-hard fans still think The Easy would do better if Day was not on his back. It was not Chrisitne view that The Eaasy should have a different rider. He said S.S. was the better at 1 1/4. Read the whole article.
@rscarbro100 LOL! You read the whole article as well. "It is the right time for his trainer to find out if less mistakes will be made with a different jockey. Day's ride was A LOT like the one HE GAVE Forty Niner in the 1988 Derby. Day was PUZZLED and STOPPED and STARTED with Forty Niner and their surge in the stretch also left them a neck short. He then goes on to say,FOR AN OBJECTIVE opinion on Day's riding&he quotes Thad Ackel and "Day's patience" and "how can a great horse have his ankles."
@EASYGOER4LIFE Your reading into that artilce as if to say Chrisitne really believed Easy Goer was the better horse & Day was the reason he lost. He was simply saying its time to see if Day was the reason and its time to see if less mistakes will be made with a different jockey. He cleary himself said S.S. was the better horse. You yourself are saying Easy Goer was the best & the reason he lost was because of Day's bad riding. Christine did not.
@rscarbro100 LOL! I just explained"ed BOTH articles&CLEARLY I just said I wasn't quoting whether the Californian Christine stated who he thought was better!Just like the other article where Christine states "Valenzuela's aggressiveness Overwhelms Day's patience"&Day made 3 mistakes,I could care less who he felt was better.NEVER said EG was the best,for the millionth time I have repeated that,and if I wanted expert'sopinions stating EG was better,than thereisCrist,Moran,Finley,Hirsch for that
@rscarbro100 Once again,quoting TWO of the Californian Bill Christine's articles on Day's riding, and the other "Valenzuela's aggressive riding overwhelming Day's patient riding" and "Day making 3 mistakes" is NOT at all to view his opinion on which horse was better, it is for his own quotes on Day's riding. If I wanted to quote expert's who thought Easy Goer was better, than I would have quoted Crist,Moran,Finley,Joe Hirsch-the dean-for those opinions.
@rscarbro100 Whoever talked about whether the Californian Bill Christine's opinions of who was better.I only quoted TWO articles of him talking about Day's riding,not who he felt was better.If you wanted quotes on experts of who's opinion it was that Easy Goer was better,than I can quote Crist,Paul Moran,Joe Hirsch-the dean for that.After you are done reading the WHOLE article,you should then read Bill Christine's article on June 5,1989,"Valenzuela's aggressive riding overwhelms Day's patience."
@EASYGOER4LIFE All the writers who blamed Day were most all New Yorkers and we all know they hated S.S. Are you a New Yorker? Even Cassidy said after the Belmont that New York won. They were bias than hell & couldn't accept nothing else but to blame someone for The Easy losses even though his trainer said the Preakness race was the only one were Day made a mistake.Your reading and posting all the articles made by New Yorkers and Easy Goer was a New Yorker. What credibility can you put in that?
@rscarbro100 LOL!I am from KY. Bill Christine was a CALIFORNIAN and he had TWO articles on Day's riding, the other "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelming Day's patient riding" and "Day making 3 mistakes". Edwin Pope was a southerner from Miami! Crist is NY but even he stated EG had legitamite excuses in the Derby(spinning his wheels),Preakness(bad ride). Jay Hovdey,a Californian,compared EG-SS to the 1960 Yankees losing to the Pirates in a series,outscoring them 55-27.
@rscarbro100 LOL! Who cares about the boring idiot Cassidy?Bill Christine was a west coast Californian and had TWO articles on Day's riding,"Valenzuela's aggressive riding overwhelming Day's patience" and "Day made 3 mistakes". Jay Hovdey also was a Californian west coast whom I just mentioned. Edwin Pope was a southerner.Day said himself it was "total rider error". Christine and Hovdey from west,Pope from south. You must be a NY also b/c you have been on here for years calling Day's rides awful
@EASYGOER4LIFE And you will not accept that Easy Goer Gotham was not a 'spectaculary fast track. Here is Crist other quote after stating it was a 'Spectaculary fast track. Quote: On the basis of the extraordinarily fast times of the early races on the Aqueduct card, Easy Goer figured to run the mile in about 1:33 Even the horses that raced before him posted exraodinary fast times. It was the speedy scourching barn burning track the reason Easy Goer got a 118 speed figure.
@rscarbro100 That's fine and dandy.No other 3 YEAR OLD in the history of the sport ran a faster mile than Easy Goer and only Secretariat ever ran a faster Belmont Stakes, &plenty of them were run over very fast tracks. The four year old Dr. Fager's track was "spectacularly fast that day at Arlington Park" and .If the other horses races before him running from 1:36-1:38 times are "extraordinary" than that is ok with me.A 118figure?THAT 118 is the FASTEST Derby prep ever,along withBellamy Road's
@rscarbro100 And NOT only was that "shitty" 118 speed figure the fastest DERBY PREP race of all time,along with Bellamy Road's, but funny how Easy Goer ran a 122 speed figure running as SLOW as can be in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. And in Ray Paulick's book, he has his Belmont at 126, his Travers at 124,Classic at 12,Whitney a 122,Suburban a 122,and his two year old figures the best in over 35 years also. Amazing huh?
@EASYGOER4LIFE You quote Edwin Pope on Day's bad riding but in that same article here is what Andy Beyer said. Quote: But Andrew Beyer of the Washington Post wrote of Sunday Silence's performance: "The ability to out-kick a rival and the fortitude to outfight him--these are qualities that help define one horse's superiority over another. Moreover, Sunday Silence has scored his important victories in every corner of the country, Cont.
@rscarbro100 You quote Bill Finley on the Gotham and don't quote what he also wrote "Easy Goer going BEYOND MERE BRILLIANCE and capable of running far faster, in only his second start as a three year old." Oh back to Andy Beyer?? Big deal, ANDY BEYER stated "EASY GOER was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and Easy Goer was better and faster at two and three years old than Seattle Slew,Affirmed,Bid."
@rscarbro100 Oh my Edwin Pope, yeah the southerner, that is right. Andy Beyer? Yeah, Beyer the Marylander. Bill Christine?the Californian. Jay Hovdey the californian. Tom LaMarra and Dave Joseph southwestern and midwesterners. But Andy Beyer again? ANDY BEYER still says "EASY GOER was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid,etc." What's the matter, you don't think Beyer was right on this point? You agreed on other videos on this.
@EASYGOER4LIFE Easy Goer was one hell of a horse. Sometimes he ran well and sometimes he didn't. He was not consistent. Why I really don't know. Some days you couldn't get him to go if you kicked his ass and some days he was like lightning. Maybe Day was the problem but truly I don't think he was in all his races. The Easy ran great at the Woodard in mud but not in the Derby. Go figure. I am having a lot of fun with you & hope your not mad at me. I love K,Y, All my mom's people are from there.
@rscarbro100 I am having fun too! Where are you from??...Well consistent, I think he was? Why you ask? In his "bad races",EG got beat by two lengths&a little over a length,both over a peanut buttery Churchill track(I think his trainer said he hated one track,Churchill Downs only),&his one other "bad race" was in the Met Mile where Ray Paulick wrote in his book that EG was "lame for the Met Mile race". Easy Goer ran the other 17 of his 20 races brilliantly,14 brilliant wins,losses by nose,neck
@EASYGOER4LIFE West By God Virginia my good man. I used to go to old Kentuck many times. To old to travel much these days. Talk to many cousins there. Mom & Day got married in K.Y. I think you picked on hell of a winner in the Big Easy good buddy and I am not really a Pat Day fan either.I love to give these Aussies hell here on youtube. Phar Lap was a great horse but in no way IMO is close as good as Secretariat, Easy Goer and more.
@rscarbro100 West Virginia, good for you my man.Secretariat was the greatest horse of all time, I got to see Secretariat at Claiborne Farm a few times, a masterpiece of a horse. I got to see Easy Goer at Claiborne Farm also before he passed away so young. Bold Ruler,Secretariat and Easy Goer shared the same number 1 stall in the number 1 barn at Claiborne Farm.
@EASYGOER4LIFE Your right, they shared the same stall. Never got the chance to see any of those great horses and glad to hear you did. I bet that was something else. I really like Secretariat and the others as well. Man 0' War, Kelso, Secretariat & The Easy were the best of having stamina and speed. Were a few very good other ones too. The Dr., The Bid and Slew had nowhere the stamina the big 4 had. I dont know were they claim Slew as being a super fast hrose. His record does not show that.
@EASYGOER4LIFE while Easy Goer has never won an important race outside of his New York home base.
"There is nothing fluky about Sunday Silence's 3-to-1 edge in his meetings with Easy Goer. By a slim margin, he is the superior athlete.End of quote. He clearly said her S.S. was the superior horse. I guess you forgot to post this when you talked about Andy Beyer other comment on Easy Goer.
@rscarbro100 ANDY BEYER STILL SAYS, "EASY GOER is the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat, and Easy Goer ran better and faster than Slew,Affirmed and Bid did." Beyer still says this. So what's your point. EVERY "expert" is contradictory in their words?????
@EASYGOER4LIFE Guess Andy did say that but the point is he said Easy Goer was better and faster than Slew and the Bid, he did not say better than S.S. He said S.S. was the superior horse did he not? Right, every expert is contradictory in their words and that goes for some contradictory words for Pay Day does it not? Were can I find that post Andy made about the Easy is the fastest 2 and 3 yr. old since Secretariat.
@rscarbro100 Well if your point is that many of these "experts" and "jockeys" can be and are contradictory in what they say, than you are right and that is true. It is in an article in 1989 in the Schenedecty Gazette via the Washington Post where all of his articles come through. I believe it can be seen online, if not I have it at home. Also, mainly on Easy Goer being the fastest "two year old" part, that is in his book "Beyer on Speed".
@rscarbro100 Also, in your own opinion, did Easy Goer run the fastest races and performances since Secretariat? In your opinion, did Easy Goer run better and faster in his performances at 2 and 3 yrs. old than Slew, Affirmed and Bid? Specifically at the ages of 2 and 3 yrs old, I believe I agree with Beyer,and believe IMO he did. Easy Goer's 2 &3 yr old races were "faster&better" than these horses. Would you agree?
@rscarbro100 Also even if Bill Finley said the track was also very fast, he also wrote, "In an effort so BRILLIANT, it will never be forgotten by any who witnessed it,Easy Goer WENT BEYOND MERE BRILLIANCE, one fifth of a second off Dr. Fager's world record. Easy Goer did it SO EFFORTLESSLY that he appeared capable of running FAR FASTER(which he did), a startling thought considering he is in his second start as a three year old& well away from his prime." Ran 9f gallop out in 1:45.4 also
@EASYGOER4LIFE You mention in one post Easy Goer won 4 different times beating older horses. Chrisitne Quote in article titled Breeder Cup is shaping up. Quote: Despite a handicap division that is one of the weakest in years, and a crop of 3-year-olds that has been neither deep nor consistent, the Breeders' Cup is expected to have an exciting race Saturday when the $3-million Classic is run at Gulfstream Park.End of quote. Maybe we see why now he won all them 4 races with older horses.
@rscarbro100 I mention what? I mentioned that no other horse has ever done that Belmont,Whitney,Travers,Woodward&Jockey Club Gold Cup. And only Easy Goer,Kelso and Slew O'Gold have ever even won the Whitney,Woodward and Jockey Club Gold in the same year, but Easy Goer was the only three year old, the other two were older horses. I mention that Crist wrote Easy Goer's campaign after that historic run, "was closing in on a 3 year old campaign worthy of Secretariat."
@rscarbro100 And in Bill Christine's article from June 5,1989 on the Preakness titled, "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelms Day's patience", I am not quoting Christine on who he thought was better, just like the other article,I am quoting Christine on Day's riding."Day made 3 mistakes to lose the race by a nose,while Valenzuela made two correct moves to win by a nose." If you wanted quotes of expert's opinions of feeling that Easy Goer was better,than there is Crist,Moran,Finley,Joe Hirsch
@rscarbro100 After we get expert's opinions on Day's bad riding, and even Christine saying himself &talking about Day's start and stop riding,and Day making 3 mistakes and his patience riding being overwhelmed by aggressive riding, we get to this: You must not agree with Andy Beyer stating that "from a speed-performance standpoint, Easy Goer was a faster two and three year old than Slew,Affirmed,Bid, and the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat."
@rscarbro100 LOL!Facts now? Fact-Day cocking his head was just one of many mistakes and errors in the Preakness. Fact- Easy Goer had the LEAD with his head straight, then cocked his head and lost the lead to look back at S.S>, then when he straightened his head back he re gained the lead and galloped out far in front. But the head cocking was just one of many errors. Even McGaughey said horses run faster with their head straight.
@EASYGOER4LIFE If Secretariat ran the pace of a Easy Goer in the Belmont and hit 13 times or more in the strecth that timer would have stopped way before it reached the 2:24 time.As you know the great Red Smith said if asked by Turcotte he would have broken Fiddle Isle record of 2:23 flat set at Santa Anita on grass in 1970. Yelp, there is that Santa Anita track again the one The Bid, The Hawkster set their WR on. Its that damm fast burining track. The dry hard surface at Auga is even more fast.
@SvendBosanvovski I hope you get the drift my friend and to mention they say Citation beat older horses before the T.C. A quick check will tell you the old horses he beat were sub-par when he done that. Old Armed was the horse of the yr. in 1947. Never won a major race in 1948. He was the only old horse of substance from prior yrs. but clearly wash-up by the time he raced Citation. The same with Sir Barton. Hollie Hudges said he was washed-up by the time MOW beat him sore hoofs & all.
@rscarbro100 When great Aussie miler, Shannon, raced in the US he set a world record about two second faster than he ran here; Tobin Bronze gave weight a just lost to Zip Pocket "world record" holder for 6f in '68, TB was a stayer! Phar Lap won the Agua Caliente as an aged horse, past his best. He had been off his oats and had a hoof injury. Yet, he dropped to last, raced 4 wide in a small field, carried top weight, set a new US record for the distance, and never got out of first gear.
@SvendBosanvovski ] Wikipedia: A horse’s skeletal system adapts to the exercise they are receiving. Because the skeletal system does not reach full maturity until the horse is at least four years of age, young racehorses often suffer multiple injuries. A horse at 5 is at his peak not a aged horse. Some horses reach maturity at 4 and some 5 yrs. of age. So Phar Lap was not a aged horse when he ran at Agua. Larger fields you run slower times. Smaller fields you run faster times. Cont.
@rscarbro100 Phar Lap was 5 years and 10 months when he raced in the Augua Caliente, officially 6 by the northern hemiphere breeding calender, which makes him an aged horse by definition. Leaving that aside, as is the case for human athletes, a horses peak ability occurs early in their lives - usually at about 4. The wear and tear of performance dulls a throughbreds speed and aceleration. This is apparent by examining the average age of group 1 winners - usually won by 3 and 4 years olds.
@SvendBosanvovski The hoof injury was not so bad that they could not race him. Seems to me he had no trouble with the hoof. It is over exaggerated and carrying 129 lbs for a 5 yr. old is not really top weight.Daily Racing Forum Charles Hatton a 45 yr. veteran seen the likes of Man 0' War and said the tracks nowadays is perhaps 'ONE' second fater. That article was wrriten in 1974 the last one he wrote and also said Secretariat was the horse of the century.
@rscarbro100 Combine all the disabilities he was asked to overcome, including the phenomenal trip over by steamship, change of diet, switching to a dirt surface. He gave 9 to 29 llb to every other horse in the field. That's top weight, isn't it? Impossible to quantify how much faster tracks are - its enough to say they are faster, and comparing times an odious exercise if used to discredit past champions.
@SvendBosanvovski Wikipedia: Amounis had to compete as a seven and eight-year-old, against Phar Lap in great form. End of quote Amounis was 8 at the time he beat Phar Lap in great form with no ocean trip, bad hoof or any other obstacles you claim he had at Auga. Amounis carried more weight against Phar Lap as well. Maybe so much for the age issue. Don't believe anyone ever heard of Reveille Boy until he race against Phar Lap. So much for the competition he ran against. Cont.
umm.. Phar Lap was bought into Australia, raced and trained. but he was foaled in New Zealand
AustralianWolf11 1 month ago
Corrs* the music was by the Corrs, not currs
TheChallengeU 3 months ago
I think all the greats have totally ripped fronts....look at these two...their fronts look like stone.
Kostly 3 months ago
What do you really think about Easy Goer? You,rscarbro, have agreed and stated that Beyer was correct on stating that "Easy Goer was the fastest and best two and three yr old since Secretariat, and Easy Goer was faster than Slew,Bid,Affirmed at the ages of two and three." You also said it was trainer error by his then young 36 yr old trainer, and rider error in one race,the Preakness. So what do you really feel? Agree or not?
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
I mention that Andy Beyer still states "Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and that Easy Goer ran faster and better than Slew,Bid and Affirmed at two and three years of age."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
So now you are changing disagreeing with the Marylander Andy Beyer on stating that "Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat, and Easy Goer was faster and better at two and three years of age than Slew,Affirmed,Bid." You don't agree with the west coast Californian Bill Christine's article, "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelms Day's patience" and Day "made 3 big mistakes".
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago 2
Bill Christine was a west coast Californian. Jay Hovdey was a west coast californian. Edwin Pope was a southerner. Dave Joseph was a southerner. Andy Beyer is a Marylander. Tom LaMarra was a midwestern and southwesterner.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
The whole point was to say that according to Andy Beyer&many other experts, "Easy Goer was the fastest two&three year old since Secretariat,&faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid at the ages of two &three,by how fast his many races were."&that many experts cite&see the obvious on Day's bad riding,there is always going to be differing opinions on rides.Christine,Crist,Pope,Moran,Watchmaker,etc.Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown"&he writes about Day's "deliberate,passive,start,stop,patient."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
I have listed all of these Christine articles Paul Moran,Crist citing that EG had legit excuses in both the Derby(track he spun his wheels over and didn't handle at all)&Preakness(bad ride).Edwin Pope-"Day cost EG a full head of steam down the backstretch,he put out the fire of a splendid champ in full flame with his repeated "I gave him a breather around the far turns in both races,start &stop,start&stop"Many all time greats would lose by a nose and neck when given breathers on far turns vsSS
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
The bottom line is through Beyer's words himself,and his speed numbers,etc, "Easy Goer was probably the fastest horse since Secretariat(not as fast), and he was faster at two and three years old than Seattle Slew,Affirmed,Bid." That is saying alot about him. You are misinterpreting some of his speed figures anyway. YOU THINK that because Groovy ran back to back beyers of 133,132 and General Assembly ran a 130, that makes them two the fastest horse since SEC?&Faster than Slew,Aff,Bid??
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE My mistake my good man but he was hit 8 times in the Belmont not six. Blow the screen up full size & look real close. Besides I believe it was Steve Haskins that said a jockey need not to hit his horse more than 7 times to get him to his Max. speed. and will try to find that article.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I've watched the Belmont of Easy Goer's thousands of times on my high def tv, he was hit 6 times all left handed , not 8, and was hand ridden the whole last furlong effortlessly coasting in. Doesn't mean he would have ran faster than maybe 2:25.2, no horse was coming close to 2:24 flat. Exactly, I said Crist said EG had legitamite excuses in the Derby(spinning his wheels on a track he hated) and Preakness(bad ride).
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Not&never would say Easy Goer,even with his many,many amazing performances, was as great and fast as Secretariat.My main point was simply to state that even Andy Beyer stated Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,&faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid at two and three. And that many experts noted Day's bad riding costing the horse twice. Heck, it probably doesn't mean much,but Day called his Preakness ride,"total rider error"&his Classic ride,"not my best ride."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
There also is some question to some of the Beyers for Easy Goer. For instance, in Ray Paulick's book, he has Easy Goer's Belmont at 126. He also has Easy Goer's Whitney at 122, Travers at 124, Suburban at 122,Classic at 124, even his SLOW Jockey Club Gold Cup at 122 because the track was extremely slow. Sounds to me like EG beyered these amazing beyers on SLOW tracks and fast tracks. "While the tracks were fast,they were NOT freaky,souped up.Easy Goer ran faster than Slew,Aff,Bid at 2,3."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
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SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
Use all have to remember phar laps heart was huge allowing him to push more oxygen into his muscles at full sprint, which in turn made it possible for him to stay at that speed for a longer time.
cryingmushroom47 5 months ago
"I've never even heard of Dr. Fager"!!! What a complete loser.
bbmtge 5 months ago
@bbmtge There is no hope for her my good man.She digs herself into a deeper hole with every post. I would be totally ashamed for writing such bullshit. She will not quit form being a complete dumb little asshole. Can'y wait for her next post. I am laughing before she does. Do they make a pill to stop one from laughing so hard? If they do I will take one today.(smile)
rscarbro100 5 months ago
Here is the facts. Jacola the little 3 yr;, old filly was the best in 1938 not Seabiscuit or War Admiral. She kicked Seabiscuits ass 2 weeks before the match race breaking the Laurel Park race course in 1:37 flat. Seabiscuit finished 2 lengths back. You heard it right a 1:37 flat for a mile. How slow can a stake horse go. She beat older horses 4 times in one month. She was the champ. Why people make more out of a horse than what they really are I will never know. The excitement I guess.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
Phar Lap is actually a New Zealand horse, not Australian.
He was born in Timaru, south Island, New Zealand.
brenda888ful 6 months ago
@brenda888ful new zealand didnt want him, australia took him in, all new zealand did was barely get him through his 1st year
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Secretariat ran a 2:24 Belmont Stakes that still stands. He was in a class all by himself. He set the standards in which all other horses are measured. Not Phar Lap. Give me a break ;Bias' little Aussie. I guess Evans is the only thing Aussies have right now and he is only a bike rider. Guess he was better than Lance Armstrong hear you to tell it. You people are sick and totally unbelievable nuts.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL so you are saying that horses like jorrocks, makybe diva, carbine, phar lap, SUNLINE, kingston rule who by the way was a son of secretariat, strawberry road, peter pan and so many others cant compare to secretariat when he doesnt even hold the world record for a 1 1/2 all out! he only holds it on dirt! and aussie horse holds it on sand and i think its kelso who holds it on turf!
secretariat never won 14 races in a row. never raced over 1 1/2 miles but phar lap did all of that!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Who told you Secretariat was 'All Out' in the Belmont? Another lie. Kelso does not hold it on turf either. Its a horse named The Hawkster done at Sanita Anita race track the same track he broke Fiddle Isle record of 2:23 flat. A track that is slightly downhill as well. Red Smith said if asked by Turcotte he would have broken that record. He won the Belmont by a hand ride without raising a sweat as quoted by Bloodhorse editor Kent Hollingsworth & many others. Cont.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing His fractions in the Belmont were slow compared to his workout times in 'MUD'. 45 2/5, 1:09 1/5 & 1:34 flat for the mile. Belmont time was 46 1/5, 1:09 4/5 and 1:34 1/5. And you want to say he was 'All Out'. Give me a break. He had faster fractions in the Marlboro Cup victory setting a World Record. running the 3/4 mile in 1:09 2/5 and 1:33 flat passing the 1 mile post. You have no idea how fast this horse was. Cont.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 you do know that woodcock wasnt phar laps trainer!
also, i laugh at the fact that you say nothing about secretariat only racing over 1 1/2 mile ONCE and phar lap racing over 1 1/2 miles like 8 times and only lost once which was where he carried 10.10 stone, secretariat was to much of a little speed horse to handle distances. ALSO you say i know nothing about hrose racing when you obviously dont know that Phar Lap had a shattered hoof in the agua!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Who was Phar Lap trainer? I do not hate the horse Phar Lap. Its the other way around you hate Secretariat. His record show nothing that he could have ran with Secretariat period. What running at long distances many times have anything to do with being the best? I do not care like you were a horse came from. If Secretariat came form Australia or the moon it makes no difference to me. Phar Lap record clearly show he was not capable of running a 1 1/2 mile race in 2:24
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 who said i hated secretariat? if i hated him then why would i make 2 videos with him in them and one dedicated to him? YOU hate Phar Lap, you have a history of dragging him down! And who are you to say he could not have run with secretariat? Phar Lap carried heavier weight in his 12 furlong races then secretariat, secretariat carried cookies compared to Phar Laps bricks! Secretariat could clearly not run with Phar Lap at anything over 12f, because he wasnt built for distances!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 oh and also, Phar Laps trainer was Harry Telford!
You know why Phar Lap was made to carry rediculous weights? Because he was the best! Tommy made the owners confront the racing association about the weights, and they told them if they tried to drop the races then they would make sure that phar lap would never race again! Tommy cared for that horse more then any strapper has ever cared for any horse, he was with phar lap for his final breath! He left his wife to be with Phar Lap!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing
Ingredients of some of them include arsenic, strychnine, belladonna, cocaine and caffeine - poisonous in large amounts but used to give horses an extra edge in the days before swabbing. The article was written by James Duncan April 24, 2008. Now how about that my good lady. Cheating is bad you know and Aussies don't like to tell the whole story do they? Other than the 67 kg. he never carried more weight than Kelso & lost that race. Arcaro said Big Red was best.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Eddie Arcaro was at Auga in 1933 and watched Phar Lap and it is well documented he said Secretariat was the fastest horse he ever seen and rated him the best he ever seen. He seen Phar Lap, rode Whirlaway, Citation, Kelso and other great horses. The 'Master' knew who the best was. I listen to him and other knowledgeable horseman not the johnnycomelatelys. Phar Lap could not hold his record at Auga for 1 year before a donkie horse like Gallant Sir broke it. Cont.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Phar Lap's trainer gave the horse tonics that contained arsenic, strychnine, belladonna, cocaine and caffeine. The article says those ingredients were given to horses in small quantities in the past, as stimulants, before a race.Source Independant Sunday written by Kathy Marks dated 25 april, 2008. The diary can be found at Museum Victoria. Go & read the diary lady if you not to scared to find the 'Truth'.This is what asshole Woodcock did to his horse. What a shame.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 oh and also, continuing, phar lap raced in more races, won more races, had a longer winning streak, carried heavier weights, raced more years, and was never whipped once, unlike secretariat!
i know you are to much of a secretariat fan to realise that he wasnt the best, and i also know that you have a history of hating on phar lap, so why is that? because you really know that he was a better horse than secretariat? phar lap raced on tougher surfaces an secretariat had walks in parks
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Don't tell me it was Harry Telford. Woodcock was the stand in trainer. Telford made up the fomula and orderd Woodcock to give it to him. Its all on record. So don;t tell me Woodcock was not his trainer. Why won't you comment about giving him those stimulants to help him perform & go faster. No horse can run on a damaged hoof without killing the pain with morphine. If you know anything you would have known that. You know in your heart Phar Lap was no Big Red. jealous Aussie.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL woodcock was MADE to give it to him! the only reason telford made woodcock give it to phar lap is because woodcock is the only one he would let near his food and water!
LOL you do know that phar lap was big red 1st right? and for good reason! being 17 1/2 hands tall and THE BEST! your just jealous because phar lap was strong enough to carry the weights he did and run with injury and the 1st time secretariat did that he came 3RD! and phar lap came 1ST!he nevr had the whip either
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Listen at you little 'KID'. Sure Phar Lap was big and of course he should have handle more weight but he could not handle 67 kg. He should have being that big. With all the dope he took he should have handle 80 kgs. You know why Secretariat came in 3rd to Angle Light a horse he beat 3 times before & beat his ass by 12 lenghts in the Derby a track record that still stands. A record that even a donkey like Gallant Sir could not beat but did beat Phar Lap record. Holy Cow.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing LOL Phar Lap only could manage a 2:02 4/5 for a 1 1/4 mile being a older horse matured. Pegasus still a 3 yr. old ran the Derby clay track in 1:59 2/5 taking the long route. Was a 1:59 flat at the 1 1/4 post in the Belmont. DRF clockers clocked him in 1:57 4/5 pullng up in the M.C. Let me see here. WOW, thats 5 full seconds or 25 lenghts better than Phar Lap at Auga. I'm laughing in the floor. Have you got any common sense at all? No wonder Arcaro said Big Red faster.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I am glad you admiitted Woodcock giving him that 'DOPE' Now you know why Phar Lap won his races. I guess he was the best of all time 'Dopped Up' horse. Congratulations. BTW Man 0' War was 1st Big Red and BTW Secretariat was the prettiest Big Red. Please don't be jealous of that too.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL phar lap was 17 1/2 hands of pure perfecion and beauty! secretariat was like what 15 hands of scrappy build?
phar lap was big red and red terror, and he won races before telford even started "dopping" him up, infact he was hardly ever "dopped up"
dont be jealous just because phar lap was better then your little nag!
also if you think man o war was so great, ruffians slowest races were still faster then man o wars fastest =P phar lap raced distances, secretariat didnt
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him." Richard Stone Reeves said Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned thoroughbred have have ever seen. Only 2 horses Secretariat & Affirmed has been in the same class as Buckpasser. Injuries of the hoof is usually caused by poor conformation and have warts on their face like Phar Lap. I'm laughing in the floor.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 you do know that by calling me "bias" you call yourself it too, you think your special amercan horses are the best because you obviously are one, and you call aussies disgusting? wow, go check out your own country because australia had and has horses that make your lot look like nags with no direction on how to run but in a circle
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I am simply telling the truth my good lady. There is nothing Bias about telling the truth. Secretariat got the record he is the fastest horse of all time. Breaking world records tells the measure of the horse and winning the Belmont without raising a sweat measures his stamina like no other horse. You or anyone cannot deny it. Remember his recod still stands. No horse on dirt has came within 9 lengths of him. No horse ever in history and that only half of the story.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 breaking the world record? HAH! you want the fastest horse? FASHION! she still holds the world record for 4 MILES! in which it was a match race where she beat the great boston! infact, she beat him twice! she went indefeated in her first 23 starts, a record that is still untouched! and with a record that hardly any can match of 36: 32-4-0! and she always raced at 2-4miles! that is greatness! and i think they are already saying that BLACK CAVIAR is the fastest horse ever!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing You gotta be kidding. I just can't believe you. A horse name Fashion who ran back in the 1830's. Do you know how long it took Fashion to run that 4 mile race? Right, 7 minutes and 32 1/2 seconds. Are you embarrass now? The Pony Express horses that carried the mail in the wild west ran it faster than that I believe. You have just blown my mind with this post. I just cannot get over it. WOW, Can anyone keep from laughing after reading this. Are you a comedian by trade?
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 7 minutes and 32 1/2 seconds for 6kms? thats like a minute after a car traveling 6ks going 100km p/hr!
no comment on how EVERY horse person/expert and so on are all saying that Black Caviar is the fastest horse they have ever seen? not one mention of secretariat there! looks like hes been forgotton by who actually is important =P
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Lets see here now. Black Caviar ran the Darley T. J. Smith Stakes on grass carrying 124 lbs in 1:08. 71 and you say all the experts said she was the fastest horse they have ever seen? Were they drunk? Do they know the world record for that distance on grass? In case you don't know its 1:06.82. She never set a worl record so how can they say she is the fastest they ever seen. I guess they never seen them other horses that were faster. Holy Cow lady or are you a little girl?
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 WOW! you ARE stupid! you go to say that black caviar ran 6 furlongs in 1:08.71 and then you go to say secretariat running long distances? WOW! you arnt just stupid you are pathetic!
black caviars fastest 6 furlong so far is 1:07.36, ALSO black caviar NEVER ran in this so called "darley t.j smith stakes"! she ran in the "T.J Smith Stakes" but no darley! you are def stupid!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I will forgive you for calling me stupid. I know now that you are a little girl & will treat you as such. Please type in 2011 Darley J.C. Smith Stakes youtube. Don't be surprised to see Black Caviar winning this race with Hay List 2nd & Triple Honour coming in 3rd. Maybe you will think twice before you call some one stupid again. I am very sorry to embarrass you again.Like I said before stay with me and you will learn something.(smile)
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@rscarbro100 oh so now its the darley j.c smith stakes? WOW she never ran in that so caled race! and also, canter is a word many people on youtube use, ask 65guitargirl she even has me a friend on facebook, she knows who i am and knows this is my only account! ALSO are you to stupid and blind to see that black caviar was slowed to a canter in the lightning AND the newmarket which is where she ran 1:07.36! if you think i am whoever this evyn is then you truly are a sore little stupid child
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Did you go to that youtube race called Darley J.C. Smith Stakes uploaded by BCworldchampions dated June 29, 2011? Darley is written all over them gates. Better call these people and tell them how stupid they are. Can you read? Do you know how to go to this race I just posted? Yes not and your calling me stupid. You are Evyn. You jump from horse to horse trying to compare horses with Secretariat. Evyn did the same thing. Go to that race & tell me the name of it stupid.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
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@RuffianQueenOfRacing You are the 'Canter' woman. You can have many accounts here as you like using different user names. How stupid you think people are? Not as stupid as you of course. Who will be the next horse you find to compare to Secretariat Evyn. We all know who you are so go ahead and admit it. You lose again.
rscarbro100 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Look what we have here!!! It is the Queen of chickenshit, the LIAR, the fantasy moron, the flip-flop artist, the irrational idiot, the ass who so afraid of her own shadow she has multipple youtube names to try and fool others...BUT...most important, she is the BIPOLAR LIAR!!! She even responds to the name evyn. The exact same M.O. and asinine BS.
Tell me about the track at Belmont in 1973!!! Can't wait you putrified LYING ASS!!!
bbmtge 6 months ago
@bbmtge oh and look what we have over there, it couldnt be rscarbro with another account could it? oh yeah it could!
and why would i not "respond" to be calling whoever this evyn is when i am cleary not them, you just think that because more then one person has the guts to stand up to you and not take your shit then they are the same person, which is really sad and quite pathetic, so why dont you go on living your life rscarbro/bbmtge and a whole lot of other youtube names you are nothing to me
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Anyone in this world that has an ounce of sense can easily tell me & bbmtge are two different persons the way we write out post. You & Evyn post exactly the same. Use the very same points of view & use the same words you just do not find in other posts. Any idiot detective can find you. You fail miserably masking your identity. Please tell me the name of that race were I told you to go. What are you scared of. Go ahead & say it. Darley J.C. Smith Stakes. right?
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing On Man 0' War video you jumped from him to Count Fleet, them to Dr. Fager and then Kelso to compare them to Secretariat. No one could figure out which horse was your favorite. Here you do the same. Its Phar Lap, then its Fashion and now its Black Caviar. All eased to a Cantor and so many other signs Same with Eddie Arcaro. Will not believe Eddie & must ask him when you get to heaven just like what Slew101 said. It goes on & on like the energizer bunny. Congratulations Evyn.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 ive never even heard of dr fager or count fleet!
ALSO are you too stupid to realise that black caviar IS A MARE!? i think she is the best mare,ruffian the best filly which is she is called by many the queen of racing!
im sorry for the fact that you are the one using multiple accounts, that you are the one with the problem that 2 people or more than 2 people share the same opinions, you said i was like "evyn" because i said canter, does that mean the race announcers are evyn too?
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing In most cases a thoroughred race horse is not called a mare until she is over 4 yrs. of age little girl. You know exactly what I was taling about. You are grasping at anything. Everyone can see who the stupid one is. You know about Fashion who raced in the early 1830's and you want everyone to believe you know nothing about Count Fleet #5 & Fager # 6 voted by Bloodhorse best of all time and you want us to believe you know somethng about horse racing. Pleaseeeeeee
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 and black caviar is 5, so she is a mare!
ALSO i dont pay attention to american horses that much because australian horses actually race in races with real weights, and against competition, not little show ponies that run a circle against horses that are allowence and handicap horses!
and sorry for the fact that i am also more interested in americas past horses because they are a thousand times better then the crap they have today!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing You cannot count or you do not have any idea when Black Caviar was foaled. Again you show your ignorance.She was foaled 18 Aug., 2006 and will not be 5 yrs. until 18th of Aug., 2011. Have you already crawed under a rug to hide by now? I would if I made stupid statements like you. Name me those weights Australian horses carry and those so called competition horses. Your lack of knowdedge is sour to say the least. I'm still laughing when you say Black Caviar is 5. Hehehe
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 so does that mean i can laugh because you said a filly is not a mare until she is over 4 years of age, when black caviar is over 4 years of age and only 12 days until she is 5! Jorrocks carried weights like 65-70 kgs from 2-6 miles and raced until he was 27, just for an example, oh and also makybe diva, carrying the heaviest weight for a female for 2 miles
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I did not say a filly is a mare. You said Black Caviar was 5 yrs. old did you not? Now you know after I taught you that a horse is over 4 yrs. is a mare. You say Black Caviar was 5 yrs. old. Admit you are wrong. Now you go jump to another horse Evyn like you normally do. I thought we were talking about Black Caviar. Black Caviar never raced more than a 6 furlong race. What a sissy mare. You cannot laugh at your teacher littler girl. Stay with me & you will learn. Hehehe
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing You did it again. Jarrocks complete racing record is unknown. His last raced at the age of 19 far as any record shows.. Started at 5 yrs. of age in 1838. Didn't race again until 1840. Was first used as a 'Stock' horse. He died at the age of 27. Where in the hell do you get he race until he was 27? Please go back to school and learn to read. Pleaseeeeeeeee. Again, can't wait for you next post. I am laughing myself to death. Your killing me.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 jorrocks was 95: 65-22 but his 3rd are unknown!
have you heard of an american horse always racing from 2-6 miles? carrying weights from 65-70kgs? even racing until they were 19? holding the record for most wins in one season? i havnt! america has ponies compared australias horses!
a sissy horse? black caviar is a sprinter not a distance horse! just because all of americas sprint horses are slow ass!
you think im evyn? you are stupid, i know who i am not you, so grow up a little
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing How can you honestly debate the great racing thoroughbreds and you know nothing about the greatest race horses ever to run on this planet like Man 0' War, Count Fleet, Citation, Kelso, Dr. Fager, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Affirmed and many more who set all the world records. Amercian thoroughbreds set all the standards. Secretariat is 'THE' standard for all other horses. Its a fact so live with it. If you know nothing about these horses what are you doing here?
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 man o war? slowest of them all!
why would i need to know anything about those horses when this video has NOTHING to do with them? so i believe you should ask yourself what you are doing here little one
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing This was your quote in a earlier post. phar lap was a champion with weights, and he was fast with weights, he would have beaten secretariat if he carried the same tiny weight as he did! End of quote. You mwere the one that drw first blood. This is why I am on here because you Aussies say Phar Lap was better just because he carried more weight in a few of his races and when he did carry that 10 stones he lost miserably. He did not ever run a WR carring any kind of weights.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Phar Lap as a 3 yr. old ran 20 races. Lost 5 races in a row carring 100 to 104 bs. Won next 4 races carrying 117 to 122 lbs. Lost next 2 races carrying 104 to 122 lbs. Won next 9 races carring 111 to 122 lbs. Only 3 of them were 122 lbs and the rest were well below that and finally he won the last race as a 3 yr. old carring 131 lbs. WOW, what a weight carrying 3 yr. old he was. What a joke. Do you want me to post those little weights he carried as a 4 yr. old?
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing At Auga Phar Lap carried only 129 lbs. If he ran against Secretariat as a 3 yr. old his weight is 126 and Secretariat 117lbs. If Secretariat carried 126 Phar Lap weight suppose to be 135 lbs. So Secretariat running the K.Y. Derby at 126 lbs is 5 lbs better than Phar Lap running at Auga carring 129 lbs. That mature Phar could only mange a 2:02 4/5 time on a hard surface track. The Derby Clay track is much slower tha Auga fast track.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing In the Marlboro Cup Secretariat carried 124 lbs. Riva Ridge carried 126. Daily Racing Forum said Secretariat was 7 lbs better. Ran a time in 1:57 4/5 pulling up at the 1 1/4 post. 9 lbs is the correct weight for age difference. It is easy to see Secretariat could have carried 136 lbs and beat Phar Lap at any distance with Phar Lap carrying only 129 lbs.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing 12 of those 20 races as a 3 yr. old Phar Lap carried 100 to 116 lbs. That weight allowance horses carry in America. Thats right allowance horses which are not even stake horses and you want to say Secretariat carried tiny weights.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing How do you like this. 4 yr. old well matured Phar Lap carrying 123 lbs lost to 8 yr. old grandpa Amountis carrying 126 lbs. in a mile race on grass in a time of 1:38 flat. That time is what American allowance horses run on a dirt track with one turn. Dr. Fager WR carrying 134 lbs same age as Phar Lap when he ran his mile against Amountis set the WR in 1:32 1/5. Since you don't know the Dr. I guess you did not know that.Please don't compare Aussies horses against Americans.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 australian horses will always be real horses, unlike american show ponies
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing A real 4 yr. old thoroughbred mature racing horse does not run a 1:38 flat mile carrying 123 feather weights.. Barn ponies and donkies do. Donkies are not thoroughbreds And furthermore if your Australian horses do not look like a show horse then your horses are ugly than hell just like a donkey. Secretariat was a 'Stake' horse who could run a 12 clip with 'EASE' for a 1 1/2 mile distance on dirt. Still no horse in history as came within 1 4/5 seconds of him. Hehehe
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 the only good looking horse america has ever had was Ruffian, and they raced her to death, along with many other promising fillies!
auzzie horses actually look like horses, black caviar, makybe diva, sunline, talk about beautiful horses, talk about horses that actually look like horses!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him." Renowned horse painter Richard Stone Reeves said, "Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned Thoroughbred I have ever seen." Only two horses, Secretariat and Affirmed, have since been "in a class with Buckpasser". Eddie Arcaro said he was the prettiest horse he ever seen, Seen all since Phar Lap. Hehehe
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 i repeat the only good looking horse america has ever has was Ruffian "Hehehe"
RuffianQueenOfRacing 5 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Your not only jealous of Secretariat being the fastest and best race horse of all time your so bad your even jealous of his unbelievble looks. Any sane person knows Secretriat is the most perfect looking horse of all times. Ask your own Tom smith. Hehehe He is incredible is he not? Hehehe
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 There are many factors to take into account when assessing a throughbred's greatness: speed, stamina, durability, versatility, courage, and to meet and vanquish the best competion available. Secretariat and Phar Lap were both great horses, each claiming to have been the greatest of all time. You do not honour their memory by denigrating either. A ture lover of the thoroughbred would never do that.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Eddie Arcaro knew all the factors you take into account when assessing a thoroughbred.. Just look at the horses he raced and rode. Whirlaway, Citation, Assualt, Kelso, Nashua, Bold Ruler and many more.He was a Agua when Phar Lap raced. He clearly said Secretariat was the fastest and best he ever seen. If you want reference I have them my friend. Who to have better known than the 'Master'? Kelso carried much weight many times yet Arcaro said Secretariat the better.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Yes, he sure did, and its a matter of record that he expressed the view that Phar lap was the greatest horse he'd seen. Whether that was before he saw Secretariat. I would think that Secretariat's win in the Belmont was the greatest single performance of any horse, anywhere. It still gives you goosebumps watching it after almost 40 years. To have run 2m 24 is simply unbelievable. No horse has got near that time in the intervening period.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Maybe you need to debate Laura Hillenbrand. Quote: Phar Lap. Thanks to our peculiar tendency to attribute every virtue to those who meet untimely deaths, the surest route to unqualified acclaim is to live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse. In 1932 an Australian racehorse named Phar Lap did just that, setting an American speed record for winning an overblown reputation. It took him only two minutes, two and 4/5ths seconds, and he didn't even do it in America.Cont.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I am aware of that remark and place no store in it at all. To suggest Phar Lap had an over blown reputation displays a real lack of knowledge of his ability - it an Americo centric view. She is an unmitigated champion of Sea Biscuit - and good luck to her. He was a great horse, too. But you won't get far countering opinion of one writer with another.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Laura was the author of Sea Biscuit and other books she written. Believe she knew and read a lot about Phar Lap and is very aware of his ocean trip, bad hoof and all. Maybe she can give you more insight about the matter. Much more than me I'm sure.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I have her two award winning books. There are two very good book on Phar Lap written in the part of the world, and you seem like the sort of fellow who would like to have then in your collection. Graham Putt: "Phar Lap - the Untold Story" and Armstong & Thompson's : "Phar Lap". The first mentioned goes into the strength of the Agua Caliente field and compares Phar Lap with Equipoise, the US champion of the time. I found it very absorbing.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 All due respect to Ms Hillenbrand - a very fine writer on the subject of the American throughbred - would know very little about the Australian racing is not an authority on Phar Lap. My mother, who was coincidentally born the same day as Phar Lap, sat on his back when she was 3. Her father, a battling owner trainer, was best mates with Jimmy Pike, the jockey who rode him during the famous Flemington onslaught in 1930. That was when Phar Lap was at his unbeatable best.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski And not knockibng Count Fleet but a fact he won by 25 lengths in the Belmont to who? They were not even stakes horses he beat. Its on record they were allowance horses and what was Hoodwink? don't believe he was even a claimer who Man 0' War beat by 100 lengths in whom many said Hoodwink quit by the time they got halfway through the race. Search the horses Phar Lap beat in the 1930 AJC Plate race and tell me what substance they were.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I have all that. You are teaching me nothing. Phar Lap beat a number af outstanding horses with contemptuous ease. When he was beaten folloing his AJC Derby win it was in shoerter at the beginning of a campaign. Horses back then didn't have the luxury of dedicated private course as the Sheik has today. They got fit on the track in lead up raced to their main target. Pahr lap win from 6.5 f to 2.25 miles against top class horses. You tell me any US champion that managed that.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski My good lady the competition Phar Lap beat in Australia was nowhere the horses that ran here in this country. All the horses he race at Agua were not the top horses American had to offer and the ones he raced against at Agua had a lot to be desired. Check their record if you can find it. If you knew anything about American racing they do not run 2.25 miles here. Name me the outstanding horses Phar Lap beat & their record of the horses they beat.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 As pointed our below, Graham Putt gave detailed consideration to the whole of the Agua Cliente field in his book and convincingly shows that a number of the starters were competitive at the highest level. The US champion Equipoise was injured and couldn't compete, but horses he just managed to beat lined up against Phar Lap and looked very ordinary indeed. I know you don't run 2.25 miles races there. Kingston Rule was US bred and won a 2 miler here.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I knew an old bloke who saw him win the 1930 AJC Plate, displaying the same arrogance Secretariat did in the Belmont 40 years later. He cleared out by 30 lens being eased finally to win by 10, breaking the Australiasia record for 2.25 miles by 6.5 secs (could have 12). Expert clockers swore he broke every course record at Randwick from a 7f on. To suggest that his continuing fame rests on his early death is, frankly, laughable. He was a national hero before he left these shores.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski This is the 1st I ever heard this story from old Bloke. Never mention in is biography. Wonder why? I hear stoires like this from all the MOW, Count Fleet, Citation, The Bid and many more who claim they were faster than Secretariat because they were 'Eased', Pulled up and if really wanted to could have beaten Secretariat records. That just don't cut the grade my friend. Its very easy to say Secretariat could as well and he proved it by experts timing him much faster.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Do a bit of research and view the press reports of the time - they should be accessible on Trove -rather than dismissing what people of that gneration recall. They had no electronic timers in those days, or indeed, photo finish camera. The timining was done by hand, and the two or three official timers compared times and concurred before a record was recognised. At his peak, Phar Lap broke records nearly every time he stepped out without being tested.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski And it is on record he was timed much faster 'Pulling Up[ in the Belmont, Marlboro Cup and the Man 0' War race by private clockers of the Daily Racing Forum. And clockers timed him in his workouts breaking records pulling up & thats on record. Tall tales has been told by many but there is no record of it whether its true or not.. No doubt some are true but most if searched you find are not true and are strecth a bit ike most tall tales are.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Tall tales? Phar lap was the most scrutised champion of the Australian turf becuase of his fame. 10 million people switched on to either watch or hear the broadcasts of his races. In your zeal to denigrate his achievements, you choose to dismiss every claim made for him as fiction. Read the books I have recommended, do some sound research and you will alter your view.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski The Barbaro fans claim he was the best ever. I am speechless. He had only 5 races before winning the Derby. Hate what happen to him. They say he was great because he did not race 5 weeks before the Derby. & won by 8 lengths. Guess they forgot about Secretariat who did not race for 6 wks. coming off a serious illness & had only 4 workouts in 2 wks. & still broke WR taking the long route and timed 'Pulling Up' the 1 1/4 mile in 1:57 4/5. Source DRF. How about that Barbaro fans.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I am not qualified to compare the US greats, but I know a great champion when I see one. Secretariat, Man O'War and Citation lay claims to having been the greatest. The only other contenders in my book were Sea Bird, Ribot and Phar Lap. Oh by the way, a great Kiwi mare died this week - Horlicks. She ran 2400m in 2m 22.2 secs in Japan on turf, then a world record. That's about 10 lens quicker than Secretariat, even with his run up start. Yeah, times are deceptive.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Maybe you need to know just as much about Secretariat as you do Phar Lap before you can make a comparison my good lady.Far as Horlocks goes he ran on a track so fast that the experts never made a big deal out of it. They knew the reason why he ran that time just as well why The Hawskster ran that 2:22 4/5 on a turf track that Bill Christine said was running 3 seconds faster than usual at Santa Anita a track that is slighty downhill and super fast. Its on record.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Who's confused? I'm a he, and Horlicks was a she. Everyone in racing here knows about Secretariat. Two recent books and a movie. My point about Horlicks time, if you had read my posting carefully, is that she never got near that in Australia and New Zealand. Times are deceptive. Santa Anita has a long, variable run up, as you know, which wins a horse a big flying start. That's why the times are exceptionally fast there.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Another example about fast track & great times. Easy Goer ran the Gotham in 1:32 2/5 1 second off the Great Doctor's record. I wonder why. Yes he was a fast horse. Bill Finely said that track was extroardinary fast and Steven Crist called it a 'Spectaculary' fast track. And even Easy Goer trainer said he doubted the time because the track was running so fast. Its all on record. Put Secretariat on a Santa Anita or that Japan track and see what happens. Possibly taken flight.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Yes, tracks can be super fast if allowed to dry. Some have downhill sections. Your Jockey's Rules allow a run up from the chute to the timer not permitted in OZ. Horlick never ran a time that fast in Australia or New Zealand. The world record on turf is now held by a horse that set it at at the same track. Deep Impact's 2 mile turf record was also set on a fast Japanese track. When Makybe Diva raced there she couldn't handle the hardness of the track.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 He said, she said??Well,the man himself, ANDY BEYER, SAID himself, in regards to Easy Goer's tracks in the Gotham,Belmont,Travers,Whitney,Champagne,Suburban,etc, BEYER said this: "While the tracks were fast,they were absolutely NOT,NOT freaky,souped up kind of fast,and from a speed-performance standpoint,Easy Goer ran faster and better than Affirmed,Seattle Slew,Alydar,Spectacular Bid did." Crist also said EG could be mentioned up there w/Citation,Man O'War,Secretariat in some cases
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE Beyer was talking about the Easy Goer Belmont not being souped up not the other races. He said the track was about the usual fast and if you read a little further down the page he said it was running about 1 to 2 ticks faster than usual.The highest speed rating he ever gave Easy Goer in any of his races was a 124. The Gotham was 118. Wonder why only a 118? The damm track was burning so damm fast and you know what Miller said about that Whitney track. The fastest he ever seen.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL! What article are you talking about? The Beyer article I am referring to is completely different,it was in the Schenectedy Gazette via the Washington Post. There were also some snippets in his book beyer on speed in reference to Easy Goer being the fastest two year old of the 80's,90's,2000's.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 In a different article from what you are reading, Beyer talks about Easy Goer's overall performannces at two years old,three yrs old,&in his few starts at four. Not only does Beyer state that "Easy Goer was the fastest two year old of the 80's,90's,2000's,but faster&better,at both two&three years old, than Affirmed,Seattle Slew,Alydar and Bid."Also in Easy Goer's Belmont, he was hit SIX(6) times and was hand ridden the entire final furlong,maybe he runs 2:25.2,but not no 2:24,no way
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE I really don't understand what your saying about Day having baby hands. Just count how many times he was whipped in the Derby, Preakness, Belmont and Breeders races. If you call that baby hands I hate to see if he had monster hands. Crist gave no excues for the Breeders race. He said The Easy had a straight shot at S.S. in the strecth hitting him 17 times and did not get to him with S.S. not once hit with the whip. Now what jockey had the baby hands there?
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL! You yourself have called Day's riding awful. Baby hands is specifically this: Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown", and he describes Day's riding as "deliberate,passive," Day calls his own riding on Easy Goer "absolute rider error".Day also used his start and stop,start and stop,start and stop,"I gave him breathers around the far turn in both races."Funny, Crist also said EG had legitamite excuse in the Derby(a track he spun his wheels over) and Preakness(bad ride)
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE Only in the Preakness it was rider error my good man. No rider error in the Derby its was The Easy did not like the muddy track, No rider error in the breeders cup either. Giving a horse a breather is not rider error. How would you or anyone know if he did not give him a breather he would have won. Horses don't go all out from start to finish.And just what race did he stop and start so much my good man?
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL! I didn't say that simply giving a horse a breather was a mistake. Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown", there is a lot talked about Pat Day's "deliberate,passive,overly patient" riding and it costing his mounts many times.All you have to do is watch the start and stop,start and stop,start and stop,start and stop rides in both the Preakness nostril loss in 1:53.4 and Classic loss by a desperate neck.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 You yourself have called some of Day's rides(plural) on Easy Goer very bad, mainly in the Preakness and Classic by a nostril and desperate neck. No doubt that S.S deserves A LOT of credit for being another great horse who could take full advantage,even if the margins were by a nostril in 1:53.4 and neck in Classic. There were many experts who stated the obvious about Day's riding-Joe Drape's book,Edwin Pope,Bill Christine,Paul Moran,Crist,etc.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE I watched the Easy Goer Belmont just as many times myself my good man. The one I watched is more clear than the rest. Its the one posted by sasasasaoo. Were on 2 occassion were Day hit him 2 times fairly quick with a ong high hit and 2 low hits. Look at that video my friend but it does not make any difference. He did not slow down one bit after the whipping quit and very easy to see. Do you think if he hit him some more he would had run faster?
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I have my high def tv and have watched it thousands of times. Day hit him exactly, six times, all left handed, and he actually opened up and ran much better being hand ridden the whole last furlong. He ran better while being hand ridden than being hit, he easily could have went faster in the Belmont whether hit or not, he seemed to open up even more being hand ridden the whole last furlong
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE Give this boy a whumpin' Easygoer, he's overdue!
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE Day and his trainer agreed only in the Preakness there was rider error and not the other races in which the trainer said other factors were the reasons but not Day riding. did you see the photo finish in the Preakness? S.S. won by a long nose and The Easy head was not cocked when they crossed the finish line. Thats a fact. The Easy was fast but clearly S.S. was just as fast to the 1 1/4 mile.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Here is the quote posted by Christine sounds of silence. "Pat and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness," McGaughey said. "But in the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened."
There were two points in the Classic that hurt Easy Goer, McGaughey said. The horse tried to lug in shortly after the start and had trouble negotiating the far turn, when Easy Goer was trying to cut into Sunday Silence's lead. End of quote
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 You want Christine articles to read?? Here are a few: Read Bill Christine's article titled, "Maybe It's Time Easy Goer Gets a Different Rider" from Nov. 8, 1989, where he talks about Day's start and stop,start and stop riding and gets quotes from trainers on the riding and his awful ankles. Also read Bill Christine's article,"Valenzuela's aggressive riding Overwhelms Day's Patience" and talks about all of Day's many mistakes. Read Paul Moran's article, Too long a wait for rematch."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE It is clear by now that Sunday Silence may not be much better than Easy Goer at 1 1/4 miles, but he is better. This is what Christine said in that article 'Maybe its time Easy Goer to get a different rider. The reason for the title of the article was that some die-hard fans still think The Easy would do better if Day was not on his back. It was not Chrisitne view that The Eaasy should have a different rider. He said S.S. was the better at 1 1/4. Read the whole article.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL! You read the whole article as well. "It is the right time for his trainer to find out if less mistakes will be made with a different jockey. Day's ride was A LOT like the one HE GAVE Forty Niner in the 1988 Derby. Day was PUZZLED and STOPPED and STARTED with Forty Niner and their surge in the stretch also left them a neck short. He then goes on to say,FOR AN OBJECTIVE opinion on Day's riding&he quotes Thad Ackel and "Day's patience" and "how can a great horse have his ankles."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE Your reading into that artilce as if to say Chrisitne really believed Easy Goer was the better horse & Day was the reason he lost. He was simply saying its time to see if Day was the reason and its time to see if less mistakes will be made with a different jockey. He cleary himself said S.S. was the better horse. You yourself are saying Easy Goer was the best & the reason he lost was because of Day's bad riding. Christine did not.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL! I just explained"ed BOTH articles&CLEARLY I just said I wasn't quoting whether the Californian Christine stated who he thought was better!Just like the other article where Christine states "Valenzuela's aggressiveness Overwhelms Day's patience"&Day made 3 mistakes,I could care less who he felt was better.NEVER said EG was the best,for the millionth time I have repeated that,and if I wanted expert'sopinions stating EG was better,than thereisCrist,Moran,Finley,Hirsch for that
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Once again,quoting TWO of the Californian Bill Christine's articles on Day's riding, and the other "Valenzuela's aggressive riding overwhelming Day's patient riding" and "Day making 3 mistakes" is NOT at all to view his opinion on which horse was better, it is for his own quotes on Day's riding. If I wanted to quote expert's who thought Easy Goer was better, than I would have quoted Crist,Moran,Finley,Joe Hirsch-the dean-for those opinions.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Whoever talked about whether the Californian Bill Christine's opinions of who was better.I only quoted TWO articles of him talking about Day's riding,not who he felt was better.If you wanted quotes on experts of who's opinion it was that Easy Goer was better,than I can quote Crist,Paul Moran,Joe Hirsch-the dean for that.After you are done reading the WHOLE article,you should then read Bill Christine's article on June 5,1989,"Valenzuela's aggressive riding overwhelms Day's patience."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE All the writers who blamed Day were most all New Yorkers and we all know they hated S.S. Are you a New Yorker? Even Cassidy said after the Belmont that New York won. They were bias than hell & couldn't accept nothing else but to blame someone for The Easy losses even though his trainer said the Preakness race was the only one were Day made a mistake.Your reading and posting all the articles made by New Yorkers and Easy Goer was a New Yorker. What credibility can you put in that?
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL!I am from KY. Bill Christine was a CALIFORNIAN and he had TWO articles on Day's riding, the other "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelming Day's patient riding" and "Day making 3 mistakes". Edwin Pope was a southerner from Miami! Crist is NY but even he stated EG had legitamite excuses in the Derby(spinning his wheels),Preakness(bad ride). Jay Hovdey,a Californian,compared EG-SS to the 1960 Yankees losing to the Pirates in a series,outscoring them 55-27.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL! Who cares about the boring idiot Cassidy?Bill Christine was a west coast Californian and had TWO articles on Day's riding,"Valenzuela's aggressive riding overwhelming Day's patience" and "Day made 3 mistakes". Jay Hovdey also was a Californian west coast whom I just mentioned. Edwin Pope was a southerner.Day said himself it was "total rider error". Christine and Hovdey from west,Pope from south. You must be a NY also b/c you have been on here for years calling Day's rides awful
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
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@EASYGOER4LIFE And you will not accept that Easy Goer Gotham was not a 'spectaculary fast track. Here is Crist other quote after stating it was a 'Spectaculary fast track. Quote: On the basis of the extraordinarily fast times of the early races on the Aqueduct card, Easy Goer figured to run the mile in about 1:33 Even the horses that raced before him posted exraodinary fast times. It was the speedy scourching barn burning track the reason Easy Goer got a 118 speed figure.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 That's fine and dandy.No other 3 YEAR OLD in the history of the sport ran a faster mile than Easy Goer and only Secretariat ever ran a faster Belmont Stakes, &plenty of them were run over very fast tracks. The four year old Dr. Fager's track was "spectacularly fast that day at Arlington Park" and .If the other horses races before him running from 1:36-1:38 times are "extraordinary" than that is ok with me.A 118figure?THAT 118 is the FASTEST Derby prep ever,along withBellamy Road's
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 And NOT only was that "shitty" 118 speed figure the fastest DERBY PREP race of all time,along with Bellamy Road's, but funny how Easy Goer ran a 122 speed figure running as SLOW as can be in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. And in Ray Paulick's book, he has his Belmont at 126, his Travers at 124,Classic at 12,Whitney a 122,Suburban a 122,and his two year old figures the best in over 35 years also. Amazing huh?
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago 2
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@EASYGOER4LIFE You quote Edwin Pope on Day's bad riding but in that same article here is what Andy Beyer said. Quote: But Andrew Beyer of the Washington Post wrote of Sunday Silence's performance: "The ability to out-kick a rival and the fortitude to outfight him--these are qualities that help define one horse's superiority over another. Moreover, Sunday Silence has scored his important victories in every corner of the country, Cont.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 You quote Bill Finley on the Gotham and don't quote what he also wrote "Easy Goer going BEYOND MERE BRILLIANCE and capable of running far faster, in only his second start as a three year old." Oh back to Andy Beyer?? Big deal, ANDY BEYER stated "EASY GOER was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and Easy Goer was better and faster at two and three years old than Seattle Slew,Affirmed,Bid."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago 4
@rscarbro100 Oh my Edwin Pope, yeah the southerner, that is right. Andy Beyer? Yeah, Beyer the Marylander. Bill Christine?the Californian. Jay Hovdey the californian. Tom LaMarra and Dave Joseph southwestern and midwesterners. But Andy Beyer again? ANDY BEYER still says "EASY GOER was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid,etc." What's the matter, you don't think Beyer was right on this point? You agreed on other videos on this.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago 3
@EASYGOER4LIFE Easy Goer was one hell of a horse. Sometimes he ran well and sometimes he didn't. He was not consistent. Why I really don't know. Some days you couldn't get him to go if you kicked his ass and some days he was like lightning. Maybe Day was the problem but truly I don't think he was in all his races. The Easy ran great at the Woodard in mud but not in the Derby. Go figure. I am having a lot of fun with you & hope your not mad at me. I love K,Y, All my mom's people are from there.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I am having fun too! Where are you from??...Well consistent, I think he was? Why you ask? In his "bad races",EG got beat by two lengths&a little over a length,both over a peanut buttery Churchill track(I think his trainer said he hated one track,Churchill Downs only),&his one other "bad race" was in the Met Mile where Ray Paulick wrote in his book that EG was "lame for the Met Mile race". Easy Goer ran the other 17 of his 20 races brilliantly,14 brilliant wins,losses by nose,neck
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE West By God Virginia my good man. I used to go to old Kentuck many times. To old to travel much these days. Talk to many cousins there. Mom & Day got married in K.Y. I think you picked on hell of a winner in the Big Easy good buddy and I am not really a Pat Day fan either.I love to give these Aussies hell here on youtube. Phar Lap was a great horse but in no way IMO is close as good as Secretariat, Easy Goer and more.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 West Virginia, good for you my man.Secretariat was the greatest horse of all time, I got to see Secretariat at Claiborne Farm a few times, a masterpiece of a horse. I got to see Easy Goer at Claiborne Farm also before he passed away so young. Bold Ruler,Secretariat and Easy Goer shared the same number 1 stall in the number 1 barn at Claiborne Farm.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE Your right, they shared the same stall. Never got the chance to see any of those great horses and glad to hear you did. I bet that was something else. I really like Secretariat and the others as well. Man 0' War, Kelso, Secretariat & The Easy were the best of having stamina and speed. Were a few very good other ones too. The Dr., The Bid and Slew had nowhere the stamina the big 4 had. I dont know were they claim Slew as being a super fast hrose. His record does not show that.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE My grandpa was from Olive Hill, Carter county and grandma from Greenup county. Maybe we might be cousins.(smile)
rscarbro100 5 months ago
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@EASYGOER4LIFE while Easy Goer has never won an important race outside of his New York home base.
"There is nothing fluky about Sunday Silence's 3-to-1 edge in his meetings with Easy Goer. By a slim margin, he is the superior athlete.End of quote. He clearly said her S.S. was the superior horse. I guess you forgot to post this when you talked about Andy Beyer other comment on Easy Goer.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 ANDY BEYER STILL SAYS, "EASY GOER is the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat, and Easy Goer ran better and faster than Slew,Affirmed and Bid did." Beyer still says this. So what's your point. EVERY "expert" is contradictory in their words?????
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago 3
@EASYGOER4LIFE Guess Andy did say that but the point is he said Easy Goer was better and faster than Slew and the Bid, he did not say better than S.S. He said S.S. was the superior horse did he not? Right, every expert is contradictory in their words and that goes for some contradictory words for Pay Day does it not? Were can I find that post Andy made about the Easy is the fastest 2 and 3 yr. old since Secretariat.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Well if your point is that many of these "experts" and "jockeys" can be and are contradictory in what they say, than you are right and that is true. It is in an article in 1989 in the Schenedecty Gazette via the Washington Post where all of his articles come through. I believe it can be seen online, if not I have it at home. Also, mainly on Easy Goer being the fastest "two year old" part, that is in his book "Beyer on Speed".
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Also, in your own opinion, did Easy Goer run the fastest races and performances since Secretariat? In your opinion, did Easy Goer run better and faster in his performances at 2 and 3 yrs. old than Slew, Affirmed and Bid? Specifically at the ages of 2 and 3 yrs old, I believe I agree with Beyer,and believe IMO he did. Easy Goer's 2 &3 yr old races were "faster&better" than these horses. Would you agree?
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE andy beyer said ruffian was fastest he had seen
RuffianQueenOfRacing 4 months ago
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I just read two articles in which Beyer said Ruffian was the fastest female of all time, and I would have to agree with him.
EASYGOER4LIFE 4 months ago
@rscarbro100 Also even if Bill Finley said the track was also very fast, he also wrote, "In an effort so BRILLIANT, it will never be forgotten by any who witnessed it,Easy Goer WENT BEYOND MERE BRILLIANCE, one fifth of a second off Dr. Fager's world record. Easy Goer did it SO EFFORTLESSLY that he appeared capable of running FAR FASTER(which he did), a startling thought considering he is in his second start as a three year old& well away from his prime." Ran 9f gallop out in 1:45.4 also
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago 2
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@EASYGOER4LIFE You mention in one post Easy Goer won 4 different times beating older horses. Chrisitne Quote in article titled Breeder Cup is shaping up. Quote: Despite a handicap division that is one of the weakest in years, and a crop of 3-year-olds that has been neither deep nor consistent, the Breeders' Cup is expected to have an exciting race Saturday when the $3-million Classic is run at Gulfstream Park.End of quote. Maybe we see why now he won all them 4 races with older horses.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 I mention what? I mentioned that no other horse has ever done that Belmont,Whitney,Travers,Woodward&Jockey Club Gold Cup. And only Easy Goer,Kelso and Slew O'Gold have ever even won the Whitney,Woodward and Jockey Club Gold in the same year, but Easy Goer was the only three year old, the other two were older horses. I mention that Crist wrote Easy Goer's campaign after that historic run, "was closing in on a 3 year old campaign worthy of Secretariat."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 And in Bill Christine's article from June 5,1989 on the Preakness titled, "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelms Day's patience", I am not quoting Christine on who he thought was better, just like the other article,I am quoting Christine on Day's riding."Day made 3 mistakes to lose the race by a nose,while Valenzuela made two correct moves to win by a nose." If you wanted quotes of expert's opinions of feeling that Easy Goer was better,than there is Crist,Moran,Finley,Joe Hirsch
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 After we get expert's opinions on Day's bad riding, and even Christine saying himself &talking about Day's start and stop riding,and Day making 3 mistakes and his patience riding being overwhelmed by aggressive riding, we get to this: You must not agree with Andy Beyer stating that "from a speed-performance standpoint, Easy Goer was a faster two and three year old than Slew,Affirmed,Bid, and the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat."
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 LOL!Facts now? Fact-Day cocking his head was just one of many mistakes and errors in the Preakness. Fact- Easy Goer had the LEAD with his head straight, then cocked his head and lost the lead to look back at S.S>, then when he straightened his head back he re gained the lead and galloped out far in front. But the head cocking was just one of many errors. Even McGaughey said horses run faster with their head straight.
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE If Secretariat ran the pace of a Easy Goer in the Belmont and hit 13 times or more in the strecth that timer would have stopped way before it reached the 2:24 time.As you know the great Red Smith said if asked by Turcotte he would have broken Fiddle Isle record of 2:23 flat set at Santa Anita on grass in 1970. Yelp, there is that Santa Anita track again the one The Bid, The Hawkster set their WR on. Its that damm fast burining track. The dry hard surface at Auga is even more fast.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski I hope you get the drift my friend and to mention they say Citation beat older horses before the T.C. A quick check will tell you the old horses he beat were sub-par when he done that. Old Armed was the horse of the yr. in 1947. Never won a major race in 1948. He was the only old horse of substance from prior yrs. but clearly wash-up by the time he raced Citation. The same with Sir Barton. Hollie Hudges said he was washed-up by the time MOW beat him sore hoofs & all.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
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SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 When great Aussie miler, Shannon, raced in the US he set a world record about two second faster than he ran here; Tobin Bronze gave weight a just lost to Zip Pocket "world record" holder for 6f in '68, TB was a stayer! Phar Lap won the Agua Caliente as an aged horse, past his best. He had been off his oats and had a hoof injury. Yet, he dropped to last, raced 4 wide in a small field, carried top weight, set a new US record for the distance, and never got out of first gear.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski ] Wikipedia: A horse’s skeletal system adapts to the exercise they are receiving. Because the skeletal system does not reach full maturity until the horse is at least four years of age, young racehorses often suffer multiple injuries. A horse at 5 is at his peak not a aged horse. Some horses reach maturity at 4 and some 5 yrs. of age. So Phar Lap was not a aged horse when he ran at Agua. Larger fields you run slower times. Smaller fields you run faster times. Cont.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Phar Lap was 5 years and 10 months when he raced in the Augua Caliente, officially 6 by the northern hemiphere breeding calender, which makes him an aged horse by definition. Leaving that aside, as is the case for human athletes, a horses peak ability occurs early in their lives - usually at about 4. The wear and tear of performance dulls a throughbreds speed and aceleration. This is apparent by examining the average age of group 1 winners - usually won by 3 and 4 years olds.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski The hoof injury was not so bad that they could not race him. Seems to me he had no trouble with the hoof. It is over exaggerated and carrying 129 lbs for a 5 yr. old is not really top weight.Daily Racing Forum Charles Hatton a 45 yr. veteran seen the likes of Man 0' War and said the tracks nowadays is perhaps 'ONE' second fater. That article was wrriten in 1974 the last one he wrote and also said Secretariat was the horse of the century.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Combine all the disabilities he was asked to overcome, including the phenomenal trip over by steamship, change of diet, switching to a dirt surface. He gave 9 to 29 llb to every other horse in the field. That's top weight, isn't it? Impossible to quantify how much faster tracks are - its enough to say they are faster, and comparing times an odious exercise if used to discredit past champions.
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Wikipedia: Amounis had to compete as a seven and eight-year-old, against Phar Lap in great form. End of quote Amounis was 8 at the time he beat Phar Lap in great form with no ocean trip, bad hoof or any other obstacles you claim he had at Auga. Amounis carried more weight against Phar Lap as well. Maybe so much for the age issue. Don't believe anyone ever heard of Reveille Boy until he race against Phar Lap. So much for the competition he ran against. Cont.
rscarbro100 5 months ago
@rscarbro100 Are you making a case that Amounis was a greater champion than Phar Lap?
SvendBosanvovski 5 months ago