lol who told you that tomatoes cannot be money in anarchist society?? Anarchists/Voluntarists believe that creation , use (or no creation, no use) of money is your own individual choice or absence of it (free market). You're free to do what fits you best, and let others do the same (unless it violates the no-violence principle). Money in anarchy is a medium of exchange, tomatoes are money just like gold is. you don't want to use gold - don't, use tomatoes instead - that's what an anarchy is.
I do not know how to make axes but I need one in order to make my home. No one will tell me because then they lose their trade. I can make spears but no axe-maker will trade me his secrets for a spear as they're too easy to make. I can't give him a surplus of spears as he has no need for that, it is still not worth it for him. If only I could save a portion of the value of each spear I sell and then offer the axe-maker this aggregate value after a year so that he can get what he does need.
What if you are a lowly downtrodden worker and you have no surplus to trade, no social or economic mobility? You think if only there was some way that I could get some sheep with nothing and then compensate the trust that was put in me. Jack is terrible at business but he has plenty of wealth. If I could somehow have him put value into me then I could grow my own farm with that and make us both better off.
What if you needed to trade your sheep for wood but the nearest quality wood was in Lebanon hundreds of miles away? You know the desert stretch between is treacherous and you will likely lose most of the sheep you've worked so hard to raise. Your ancestors died making that same journey. You started to think wouldn't it be better if I could trade my sheep here for something that represented their value, then give the Lebanese this so that they could buy local sheep and factor out the risk.
As this was all happening climates could change and did. Now there was no water. Now we had to build irrigation canals that swept through entire regions and needed regular maintenance. Now who was going to control this? Whoever did was going to have some degree of power over the others. Now people started showing this man obeisance.
I think you need to learn more about early human history and economics. This only feels like a problem because most people don't understand money properly; imo it seems like you don't. There was never a time in the whole of human history where you could put a single human anywhere and he could survive for a lifetime. We didn't used to grow our own food, other people used to grow our food; other people caught our animals and herded our sheep.
You can still live the way you describe if you so choose. I do grow my own food. I use a cloth towel, not a disposable napkin. I walk or ride a bike where possible. I make a lot of my own stuff, down to furniture, herbal medicines, etc. I have some rainwater tanks that DO give me free water!
I see money as way to measure value for trade purposes. However I do really hate floating exchange rates! It like constantly changing the length of a metre - impossible to accurately measure anything!
A stable money system, over time, experiences DEFLATION. Which means you need less money to buy the same things that cost more years ago. So in a way, a free market system DOES decrease your dependence on money and you don't have to give up the many conveniences it allows.
I'd also like to point out that in an anarchic society, people would be able to choose not to use money. If enough people with enough knowledge got together, they could produce such a society.
I agree with most of what you're saying, however I think the fastest way to a better standard of living is a stable currency in a free market. Over time, as people save, interest rates go down and big businesses can borrow more to expand and lower their production costs. As production costs lower, the supply of those goods goes up, and the price eventually goes down.
As technology advances, and it would do so faster in a free market, more things are more affordable to more people.
The value of fiat money changes, but not a true medium of exchange. Gold has value in it's use as exchange. Money is just a representation of value. That cucumber takes work to till the soil, plant it, water it, etc. You even said that you aren't suggesting we go back to living very primitively. But the only way for society to grow like we have is to have division of labor. With division of labor comes exchange. Exchange historically evolves from barter to using mediums of exchange. Money.
yes, there is a wind blowing thru town...keep watching a great deception is coming and will seemly answer man's anguish, please bro keep your post and hold high your lamp..
You only told half of the point money is use like tomates in the old you have tomates i have water your thirsy i'm hungry we trade them to get what we don't have and it a fair trade you have some water now i have food we gain out of a loss same as money it only use is to trade it for the water and i can buy the tomates so all cost is the vaule of something to us at that time
Well that is not entirely true. There is always a cost
Life was "Cheaper" back then but in today's modern age the wealth has been stolen so it just seems everything is more expensive
However thanks to OIL & technology/science, man hours are used more efficiently. You now live BETTER THAN THE KINGS OF OLD!!!
However fluoride in our water, toxic food additives, illegal taxes on our labor, air pollution, industrial pollution. ALL OF THIS IS ILLEGAL and can be stopped.
Wow you really are stupid. Have you ever learned nothing is free. Nothing is free. NOTHING. I bet you have loved all the adds for corn syrup on tv look at the facts before you run your mouth.
@schweitzer2004 You missed his point apparently. It was a wants and needs demonstration. We think we need something like a cell phone, but in reality you don't really need it. Its just how spoiled people in society are these days.
No, the cucumber doesn't grow for free. Someone buys land, plants the seed, cultivates and waters it. Then they bring it to the store so YOU can buy it. It's not some sort of plot to get your money.
And there were orphans years ago. In fact, they went into prostitution or starved to death because there were no charities.
Gold has value because people WANT it. You are not making sense here.
actually most people who lived on tribes were medicine men and medicine women they used herbs to cure their ailments, in the Western culture their is oh so little emphasis put on herbal medicine to cure ailments. many indigenous people lived well into their 80s and 90s long before Columbus and European diseases/sicknesses.
the concept of money, is against nature, and against our creator...the concept of money, finance, banking, etc. will see its crisis soon enough, and the natural laws of life/our creator will do a great cleansing of the Earth and those who are left, will not be worrying about money, finance, and banking, but surviving...
How can you say people were having better healthcare and living in general before? People did not even spect to make it past 40 years old, and that was normal! Yes, that was a lot better...
I wish i could post one of comedy central's South Park episodes as a response; i love that episode about margarita's and the economy.
Time is money, and money is time or, at least it's suppose to be. It is intended to be an object representing services, be it farming, transporting water or hair cuts. If you think about it like this, nothing in life is free because everything requires a payment in time spent.
Protean, I really like your views, few people still think like that these days, I thought I was a freak or something for thinking this way about money and consumerism, and the merits of having closer ties with nature and our natural roots
Anarchy in itself is un-sustainable. Anarchy by its purest definition means everyone is truly equal, no one individual or group has dominance over another. As soon as one person or group either has more resources, or enforces physical dominance over another through the use of violence, you re-enter a hierarchical state and step out of the realms of anarchy.
@Richy0326 No it doesn't. By it's pure definition, anarchy means without rule. In anarchy not everyone is equal, because not everyone is good at everything. In an anarchic society there would still be wealth differences, but at least you'd rise or fall on YOUR OWN merits, unlike the tyrannical statist system.
...-ppl assigned different values to the myriad things being bartered for a desired good causing some to pay more for the same good. Currency created a level of fairness in the market & took power from the producer & gave it to the ppl.
[Opportunity Costs] As opportunity costs rise people find ways to increase the efficiency of production to lower their opportunity costs. Currency is a unit of exchange & costs are subjective: desire for currency developed out of the complications arising from the bartering system...
You've made some great movies there, proteanview. You seem to have great issues against monetarism, polytricks and bad dichotonomies. Have you heard of Technocracy, Inc.? I do engourage clever people to get familiar with it. A non-political fact-finding group. A technological societey: No money, no politicians, no poverty and much more can happen. There is no ideology in it - just pure science. How many ideologies ever achieved what they seeked?
I s'pose living in tribes would be great, but how long would it last? Until one of us got sick or so and spread the sickness around the tribe killing everyone..
This is the same critique Marx makes. Great points. Labor should be the think we pay attention to as a element of the things we produce, not the fake value attached to things. read Das Capital for more on this.
living in tribes wasn't that bad, people sharing, giving, working together. most people are too selfish and self centered to ever want to live on a tribe, then you have to think of those who, can't stand the natural world, and want to get away from insects, plants, and animals, and those who hate hunting and hate camping. LOL. people are so used to this lifestyle of air conditioning, indoor plumbing, buying food in stores, how ignorant they are, that lifestyle will come to an end, in the future.
everything has a price, even if its not a price of money. there is a cost for our time, cost for our energy, cost for our care...nothing is free. if it isn't money based on cost, it is cost based on someone's care, respect, time, etc. there will always be a cost...as long as people care for themselves and put down someone else. the vital rule and law of life is ignored reciprocity. being such life is off balance and things and the costs of food, clothing, shelter, etc. will get much worse.
In ancient days there was not as much 'free' time if we did all our own work. Then people made slaves and servants. That made many things free for those that had others work for them. Sacrifice for one thing or the other.
Tribes had rules and structure where much worked . Though there was still health care, fast transportation, and many things of today unavailable.
True what you say to many things here. Though we always will have to give one kind of thing to get another for survival.
I like what you are saying. I just think things are too complicated anymore to go to a simplistic view. I have a small farm. I rarely get any help even in my garden. People love to get the produce from it, but do not like to share in the labor of it. Thus, I use tractors to till plant and weed. I have to pay for fuel. I have to pay for chemicals to kill the weeds in the hay fields that i use to feed the livestock. If i didn't the neighbor farmers would sue me over contamination of their crops.
Ideally, self sufficiency must be the key, but unfortunately at the end of the day; the masses seem to be most satisfied with making life EASY. If this means quashing the quality of lives of some "meek, far-away" person, then it appears socially acceptable. It's distressing, yes it's corrupt, but I fear it's true.
Nasty terminal diseases existed way before "pollution". Heart diseases and cancer have been around as long as humanity has. Just because primitive tribal people weren't able to identify cancer back then, doesn't mean they didn't exist. If civilisation isn't your thing, get rid of your house and computer and go to Somalia, I hear it's good this time of year.
unfortunately, the monetary system had been infiltrated by those who have no remorse toward human beings. their plan is to gain the most power. and they print the money, therefore they don't need it. and they can print as much money as they want, controlling the inflation and deflation of the money supply. it has become one of their greatest tools of controlling the masses. IMF and the Fed have created a system to put people in DEBT. debt = slavery. it has become all about gaining power.
anything that is considered to have value in a market is called quasi-money.. this can be crops, oil, food, ANYTHING of value.. and people used to TRADE items instead of using cash.. but the reason why the idea of money started through the exchange of precious metals was because of the convenience of having coins and paper become the medium of exchange. e.g.. traders did not want to carry 100 barrels of oil to make a purchase of a 2000 cattle. using silver or gold coins was more efficient.
You are actually asking if we need money? You ask "why don't we barter?". You also repeat the falsehood that food is free.
Money is the tool that allows the ever expanding division of labour to continue. It what gives us computers and phones and all the wonders of the modern world. Money evolved out of barter to fix the problem of needing a double coincidence of wants in trade. In effect money is barter. Adopting barter generally now would result in the collapse of civilisation & starvation.
But money isn't direct acquisition of goods. When you buy at item of food, you're paying not only for the person who grew it and supplied it, you're paying for the person at the check out, the person who owns the store, the person who drove the food to the store, etc. until you've paid (at least) ten people making a five cent piece of fruit cost a dollar just so everybody involved can also afford to eat. Just because it's hard to eradicate doesn't make it a logical practice.
Why is direct acquisition better? I don't see the advantage. It is nice to make some of your own furniture or grow a few vegetables but if you want to exploit the economies of scale that comes with the division of labour people need to specialise. It is about efficiency. Is the grape picker meant to drive and load the truck, stomp the grapes ferment them,bottle them and all the other jobs besides? Are all the workers to be paid in wine? How will they buy from people who don't like wine?
And money is a perfectly logical practice if are starting point is the very limiting effects of barter trade and the need for a alternative. As a spontaneous solution it is both elegant and practical. Our vineyard workers paid in wine would buy something that most people will accept - Gold silver, rare animal bones ect. Over time that good/s becomes the medium and measure of value. That allows workers to specialise driving down costs allowing us all to have more and live in greater numbers.
I disagree with one thing. Medicine back then was not necessarily worse than today. People had intensive knowledge of which plants healed which diseases, before the rise of Western medicine. Some of it was very advanced also. Look at TCM or Ayurveda. I read also that when the white man arrived in 'uncivilized' Africa, they found tribes who gave each other vaccines when this was still something being developed in Europe.
There's a lot of truth in what you say... I haven't heard those specific examples, but I would not be surprised, and I would expect that tribal Europeans probably had a lot of similar traditional medicine, now sadly lost forever. A lot of tribal societies today still demonstrate far better health than their Westernised neighbours. And of course, they look after members of their tribe who are sick... Americans would find this idea far too 'socialist'!
Plants are grown for free but the act of harvesting them for use will cost time and labor. Things weren't free in a state of nature but today money is not used as simply a medium of exchange. It is worshipped as the end result of the economic process.
i think what he ment was free as in no money required. but you are right nothing is free because you have to do something to get what ever it is you want.
Hunting and growing don't cost anything? Thats not true. They cost time. All currency does is give a value to the amount of time you are willing to give to something and when someone takes your money, what they are doing is taking time equivalent to the amount they took divided by the amount you make.
the thing is I prefer to do my Job to which I am good at and make money for food and other stuff. I don't know how to make all those things right, but I know how to do my job right. + How would for example a scientist do his job of creating new technologies for going into outer space or experimenting with particles if he has to grow his own food? he can't, he has to buy it! and who will make it for him? Others who work "for him" making him food and something to wear.Hope u read this.
Gold is a valuable resource, it is a good conductor and a heavy metal. We can use any scarce commodity as the money standard (preferably the one you cant grow or cheaply make). Obviously gold is only valuable because of socialization. If the government would put a cap on printing the monetary currency, then there would not be any need to back it up with any gold or diamond standards.
Currency is not backed up by anything these days. But I find this to be a good thing because Currency is backed up by objects that exist in a country a house a car, land and other stuff, why would it also need another backup, like gold? + Only a VERY small portion of gold is used as a conductor in electronics, most of it is valued by its beauty, just like it was thousands of years ago, we haven't grown that much...
Its not backed up by objects, since the price of the house or a vehicle will be dependent on the economic value of the dollar. Just look at the housing crisis, where people lost their homes due to artificially instilled mortgage interest rates. Excessive printing of currency will result in devaluation of various products and real estate. The important thing is to set a printing cap on the U.S currency production. This can be insured by introducing a collateral scarce resource as a value standard
5*! Great vid. I seems to me, that people "pay" more attention to their wants rather than their needs.For example, next time you are at the "supermarket", separate your groceries into "needs"(fruits veggies and staple products) and "wants"(potato chips, frozen pizza and other convenience products). Ring the "needs" through first. You'll see that your needs don't cost that much.
Money itself doesn't have value, no. It's used as a medium of exchange--it's effectively "worth" something because the things you're selling and the things you're buying are worth something. And it's certainly easier to deal with this intermediary that everyone wants than to try to find someone who has exactly what you want and desires exactly what you have.
Everything that seems "free" in principle costs something because resources are finite and we have a large population. Without...
...some means of regulation, we can't trust humanity to adequately deal with the problem of limited resources. E.g. there is only so much fertile land. So you can divide the land between people officially designated as farmers, or you can have a governing body control the fertile lands and direct workers on how to farm, and take the food, and ration it between farmers and non-farmers. (Most farming nowadays is done the latter way; the governing body is typically a corporation. In the case of...
...some communist countries, however, it was their federal government. It's still essentially the same thing--a way of regulating the fertile land.)
The number of trees and the amount of wood is limited, so you need some way of regulating how much wood is cut--and someone to ensure the trees are regrown. Fresh water is finite, and water takes effort and usable energy (another finite resource) to purify.
In the end, money--an intermediary that you can use to get what you want--is a way of...
...compensating all the individuals and all the governing bodies involved in providing you with water, shelter, food, etc. for their work and the resources they expended. I think it's fair that either stuff costs money, or is free but is rationed in a very limited way (and is "paid for" by taxes).
As sustenance farming--there are too many people. We don't have the fertile land and resources (and infrastructure) necessary for everyone to farm for themselves, etc.
Funny you say that because I've thought of that many times: How can we use barter instead of dollars? It's not possible because of technology and industry.
I'm not defending money or attacking the idea of non-monetary way of life, however, I wanted to make the simple point that you're conflating "free" with not costing/requiring money. And, you seem to dismiss that perhaps, say, a walk costs more to some people, than paying for a car, for insurance, for good roads etc (sounds ironic I know). I suppose it comes down to whether you want a more complicated world, or one more simpler and primitive--not which one is "free" or "not free"
Currency per se' is not the problem. Because even in the barter system, what you are bartering is a form of currency.
It's the fact that paper money around the world value does not match what it buys. The culprit.....inflation - which is a scam created by the wealthy.
Very good video. I've been saying this for YEARS. I'm only 19, recently turned, I've been probably (almost preaching) this since I was about 12. Everyone I meet who does have a true love for money, and thinks of it as a necessity or even a natural product of life, I tell them everything you have just said. One thing that makes me laugh but also die a little inside is when religion uses money as the almost catalyst for faith. "Let us pray to god for good wealth and fortune" - That.
What kind of experience do you have growing vegetables? I have grown tomatoes, aloe vera, and potatoes.
The hardest job is preparing poor soil to be fertile. When you are done (assuming you needed to do much to the soil..) you can literally put the seeds down and start watering as needed. You might have to fight off a few bugs now and then. Putting carnivorous insects in your garden can be helpful.
Working is a part of life in my opinion. I feel getting things on my own is "free".
I think the concept of money was brought about to make bartering more efficient by having a "universal" (whether that means for a country, continent, etc.) thing to represent value.
To be fair to the "Sick and needy", surely we are all sick. You leave the house, you have your lungs polluted by cars, factories etc. You are needy, you have to use money because it is forced upon us by the constant circle. IF (Example) we all as a world decided to ditch money forever, it would work and it would make the world a much better place. That is why such plans to exterminate poverty etc aren't possible. It's inevitable. You are just as (forcefully) needy as anyone else.
Another thought, I've seen many people who have no money live truly happy lives, I think it's because they are constantly challenged by their own situation.
You're right... we don't need money to live. However the perceived value gives us things like advanced medicine, nice cars, the internet and computers like the one you use to make your videos. These things require a group effort that couldn't be achieved without money. You can't make and barter these things. It's takes allot of people and time and effort to make them possible. That's where money comes in. What we don't need it the federal reserve. =)
If I had the power, I would REVERSE my family going over in ww2 to fight and rescue those worthless bastards as the war heroes my family are. It was a MISTAKE to go. And here we are. WHAT DID I WIN? I won - being a CRIMINAL, who 'deserves' the same 'victor's justice' put on defeated Germany ON ME! The countries who FOUGHT GERMANY, are now the SAME as Germany. We helped spread communism, destroyed the ONLY ADVANCED PEOPLE in Europe to make room for? What you have NOW, shit Europe w Muslim pools
the proper definition of money (in the absence of a state who decrees and violently enforces that no money but its own is valid) is "the most marketable commodity."
money will always exist as long as there is more than one person living in the world.
barter requires double coincidences of need (i can only get X if i have Y if i find someone who has X and needs Y). these are very uncommon and make for a very low standard of living.
you can't make money go away. it's way too natural.
The reason Jews FORBID YOU to study ww1 in school, is because, they don't STAR IN IT and it wont CONTROL YOU. Thus, you have no need to know. Fortunately, this is youtube. There are many excellent videos about the POLITICS of WW1, the Balfour Agreement, The Treaty of Versailles, the 'stab in the back', on and on. So sick of the Zionist world religion. I will never join. You cant make me.
Oh and how civilized were the modern advanced ( in 1940s) industrial Germans that actively supported or turned a blind eye to the use of advanced industrial power to exterminate millions of Europeans..
WW2 is PROPAGANDA. What really happened is a topic that puts OLD MEN IN PRISON. It is religion. It has 6 million Sons of God. It has high priests, and temples. It has heretics burned for lack of faith. YES! My God, I JUST EXPLAINED, that that I fully understand, the WILD RELIGIOUS WRATH OF FUNDAMENTALISM you are about to display, now that you know I am a HERETIC OF YOUR FAITH. It is called war TWO <- 2 <- why? SECOND HALF of WW1, WW1 is the war that happened. WW1 explains EVERYTHING
I've worked for a barter company. They still use their own form of currency.
Because at the end of the day too many people are involved in the process of creating any given product. It's just not viable to say "i made this, so give me this"
It's been this way for much longer than modern civilization and is likely to get more complicated over time.
The only way to change that...is to basically create a micro system of complete minimalistic living.
what im tryng to say it that man made money always gonna change and in the position we are its just gonna go worst, thanks to president Nixon, yeah if you dont know look it up. But 'God' elements such as silver ,gold always gonna be the same or very predictable
I agree,, silver is the answer many would say gold, but iwll tell you why not gold, even tho gold have always been more expensive , but silver is al most gone just 5% is avaiable and its use in industrial purposes that means that the price gonna be crazy up and maybe have more value than gold
If someone's parents died, they had a community of people ready to raise them. The nuclear family was non existent, you had the tribal family there ready to support you and raise you.
Hunting and Gathering = A way of making a living.
Tribalism = A social organization that provides for all it's members and provides really human security and human wealth.
I'm not interested in hunting and gathering and i doubt many others are either.
Tribalism, however, can be practiced in apartments, lol.
If you were growing your food. This still happens today.
If you're NOT depending solely on food you grow, then when your crops fail, you just move on, like all animals, including humans before most of them became civilized.
Famine is the product of civilization and intensive agriculture.
Read Pulitzer prize winning anthropologist and evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond's essay "The worst mistake in the history of the human race"
Proteanview...Global money-noncompliance is the answer. Money is almost valueless today. It's people who make it's value, it's people who can also make it valueless by not using it. It's breaking the addiction to it that must be done. We are on youtube and face book as Global non- compliance look us up you may be surprised at the number of people wanting to do this, and growing each day.
very well put, most people are just so unaware of a lot of the things you mentioned in this video like aspartame, I think it's what really holds people back.
I like alot of your videos man, but this is just silly. Even though we have to deal with pollution and obesity, we don't have to worry about contaminated water, starvation, and foreign invasion, which are much worse.
Money is just a way of storing work performed. Just like we learned to preserve food for winter, money allows us to store work performed for the future.
The advent of money lending, or usury, causes much of the ideas behind 'money is evil'. Without usury, large works projects would not be possible to small collectives. Usury allowed us to remove the kings as the sole creators of large works.
Don't use that paper towel to dry your hands! Silly.
You don't belong here. Is there a philosophertube? Because your eloquent talks remind me a bit of Eric Hoffer (hopefully that comparison doesn't offend).
I'm very pleased to have stumbled upon this. It's an interesting analysis of the "Matrix".
Yes. Humanity developed civilization because we looked at having to live day-by-day hand-to-mouth resources and decided that division of labor was better. Those who could hunt would hunt and trade to those who were better at sewing. And rivers weren't exactly always clean, guess where the waste generated in early early man went.
What a strange opinion, especially when most historians claim Civilization developed due to the introduction of farming ( grains & animals) which made surpluses that needed controlling by Masters and produced by Servants . Replacing the all work together for hunting gathering everyone plays an equal part to group success that had been the way of life before.
You should model your people after the Jews. They do not sit around begging for handouts, they have pulled themselves up through hard work. I will never pay for your healthcare.
It's true that these things used to be free, but only if you don't put any value on human exertion. I think money is a good way to measure value. A big problem comes when money does not represent anything tangible. I 100% agree that gold is over valued. Aside from a few industrial applications, gold is useless to humans.
I t has a small chance in working under a TINY population. Certainly not any country on Earth would work under anarchy. And it would be very easily turned into despotism.
I mean we pay taxes so sidewalks and bike lanes (OK pedaling) are maintained and the shoe industry makes high status but low quality products with purposeful planned obsolescence as well as wearing out your cheap socks and loose sticked pants and underwear.
Oh and we must have the right colone to not offend by smell and hair products to look good or umbrellas n overcoats to protect us from the weather
There's a old British show called good neighbors that explored the comic theme of a couple trying to be self sufficient in a modern world, very funny but intelligent
The point is we are engulfed in a technologically supported society and nothing you can do can really escape it, it won't let you or you end up still on the grid by trading with people who are
Even if you decided to walk down the street perfectly decent in a potato sack and a pair of leather moccasins you would be arrested
Niggers aren't the problem or a Zion occupied government, it's globalism and the divides that split it's resistance .
I don't think anyone really realizes how close white nationalism and liberal progressiveness are on many issues.
If you substitute the word white with citizen you are speaking paleo conservative and if you replace citizen with individual you are talking liberal but not libertarian because they play both sides of the fence, their social libs but the ultimate big money types.
The cucumber isn't "free". It costs water, it takes time for someone to cultivate it and it needs some space to grow. All of these costs something. There was *never* this paradisiac "once upon a time when everything was free" because any relation is about power. Once there was no government but there was serfdom or slavery. And also there was always someone to tell "whom to hate". If not the media, then the church or the prince. Walking is still free, btw.
I saw an annotation that said apartment-dwellers can't grow food, funny thing though, a lot of apartments include electricity as an incentive to get you to move there, grow-lights aren't that expensive, and tomatoes, which you talked about, are easy to grow, so they could, provided the electric bill is paid, grow a lot of food cheaply.
People in apartments can grow at least some of their own food so suppliments what they buy at the store. Look up container gardens. It's really not hard to grow food indoors. You can use buckets, totes or any other container that's at least six inches deep. It all depends on how much effort folks want to put into growing their own food. You can even make your own compost using worms and they sell containers for that. Again it all depends on just how much effort people want to put into it.
Ignorant on so many levels.
BobbyW3363 5 months ago
You are so right! Love your videos.
panabal 6 months ago
lol who told you that tomatoes cannot be money in anarchist society?? Anarchists/Voluntarists believe that creation , use (or no creation, no use) of money is your own individual choice or absence of it (free market). You're free to do what fits you best, and let others do the same (unless it violates the no-violence principle). Money in anarchy is a medium of exchange, tomatoes are money just like gold is. you don't want to use gold - don't, use tomatoes instead - that's what an anarchy is.
alennna 7 months ago
I do not know how to make axes but I need one in order to make my home. No one will tell me because then they lose their trade. I can make spears but no axe-maker will trade me his secrets for a spear as they're too easy to make. I can't give him a surplus of spears as he has no need for that, it is still not worth it for him. If only I could save a portion of the value of each spear I sell and then offer the axe-maker this aggregate value after a year so that he can get what he does need.
curzmg 9 months ago
What if you are a lowly downtrodden worker and you have no surplus to trade, no social or economic mobility? You think if only there was some way that I could get some sheep with nothing and then compensate the trust that was put in me. Jack is terrible at business but he has plenty of wealth. If I could somehow have him put value into me then I could grow my own farm with that and make us both better off.
curzmg 9 months ago
What if you needed to trade your sheep for wood but the nearest quality wood was in Lebanon hundreds of miles away? You know the desert stretch between is treacherous and you will likely lose most of the sheep you've worked so hard to raise. Your ancestors died making that same journey. You started to think wouldn't it be better if I could trade my sheep here for something that represented their value, then give the Lebanese this so that they could buy local sheep and factor out the risk.
curzmg 9 months ago
As this was all happening climates could change and did. Now there was no water. Now we had to build irrigation canals that swept through entire regions and needed regular maintenance. Now who was going to control this? Whoever did was going to have some degree of power over the others. Now people started showing this man obeisance.
curzmg 9 months ago
I think you need to learn more about early human history and economics. This only feels like a problem because most people don't understand money properly; imo it seems like you don't. There was never a time in the whole of human history where you could put a single human anywhere and he could survive for a lifetime. We didn't used to grow our own food, other people used to grow our food; other people caught our animals and herded our sheep.
curzmg 9 months ago
Prophetess Silvia Browne predicts that the world will be on some kind of bartering-system by the end of the 2020's.
mythmanjay 1 year ago
You can still live the way you describe if you so choose. I do grow my own food. I use a cloth towel, not a disposable napkin. I walk or ride a bike where possible. I make a lot of my own stuff, down to furniture, herbal medicines, etc. I have some rainwater tanks that DO give me free water!
I see money as way to measure value for trade purposes. However I do really hate floating exchange rates! It like constantly changing the length of a metre - impossible to accurately measure anything!
sukumvit 1 year ago
Currency has become something we are way to used to, the only type of trade system we 'should' be using is bartering.
MazorKuziaki 1 year ago
I've heard this question asked before ... "Why do you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on?" - Vasais friend of Alex Collier
rubyspirit2 1 year ago
A stable money system, over time, experiences DEFLATION. Which means you need less money to buy the same things that cost more years ago. So in a way, a free market system DOES decrease your dependence on money and you don't have to give up the many conveniences it allows.
I'd also like to point out that in an anarchic society, people would be able to choose not to use money. If enough people with enough knowledge got together, they could produce such a society.
andrewh817 1 year ago
I agree with most of what you're saying, however I think the fastest way to a better standard of living is a stable currency in a free market. Over time, as people save, interest rates go down and big businesses can borrow more to expand and lower their production costs. As production costs lower, the supply of those goods goes up, and the price eventually goes down.
As technology advances, and it would do so faster in a free market, more things are more affordable to more people.
andrewh817 1 year ago
The value of fiat money changes, but not a true medium of exchange. Gold has value in it's use as exchange. Money is just a representation of value. That cucumber takes work to till the soil, plant it, water it, etc. You even said that you aren't suggesting we go back to living very primitively. But the only way for society to grow like we have is to have division of labor. With division of labor comes exchange. Exchange historically evolves from barter to using mediums of exchange. Money.
masonkiller666 1 year ago
yes, there is a wind blowing thru town...keep watching a great deception is coming and will seemly answer man's anguish, please bro keep your post and hold high your lamp..
rolling422 1 year ago
an intelligent observation and clear comment thanks....
4swzb 1 year ago
You only told half of the point money is use like tomates in the old you have tomates i have water your thirsy i'm hungry we trade them to get what we don't have and it a fair trade you have some water now i have food we gain out of a loss same as money it only use is to trade it for the water and i can buy the tomates so all cost is the vaule of something to us at that time
so really what with the vid
stroyteller1 1 year ago
Nice Vid. Let me control the money supply and I can rule the world.
meikagirl 1 year ago
Well that is not entirely true. There is always a cost
Life was "Cheaper" back then but in today's modern age the wealth has been stolen so it just seems everything is more expensive
However thanks to OIL & technology/science, man hours are used more efficiently. You now live BETTER THAN THE KINGS OF OLD!!!
However fluoride in our water, toxic food additives, illegal taxes on our labor, air pollution, industrial pollution. ALL OF THIS IS ILLEGAL and can be stopped.
6evorev6 1 year ago
of gad, you don't belive in the aspertain consperacy do you\?
celestialsalamander 1 year ago
Wow you really are stupid. Have you ever learned nothing is free. Nothing is free. NOTHING. I bet you have loved all the adds for corn syrup on tv look at the facts before you run your mouth.
schweitzer2004 1 year ago
@schweitzer2004 You missed his point apparently. It was a wants and needs demonstration. We think we need something like a cell phone, but in reality you don't really need it. Its just how spoiled people in society are these days.
SuperFifthwheel 1 year ago
No, the cucumber doesn't grow for free. Someone buys land, plants the seed, cultivates and waters it. Then they bring it to the store so YOU can buy it. It's not some sort of plot to get your money.
And there were orphans years ago. In fact, they went into prostitution or starved to death because there were no charities.
Gold has value because people WANT it. You are not making sense here.
bellesansbete 1 year ago
Girl, that is a hair DONT
GayRepublicanPatriot 2 years ago
Money is the root of all evil.
But money itself is not evil.
tHecOmMeNtErSrEtUrN 2 years ago
actually most people who lived on tribes were medicine men and medicine women they used herbs to cure their ailments, in the Western culture their is oh so little emphasis put on herbal medicine to cure ailments. many indigenous people lived well into their 80s and 90s long before Columbus and European diseases/sicknesses.
prettylyricsmarie 2 years ago
the concept of money, is against nature, and against our creator...the concept of money, finance, banking, etc. will see its crisis soon enough, and the natural laws of life/our creator will do a great cleansing of the Earth and those who are left, will not be worrying about money, finance, and banking, but surviving...
prettylyricsmarie 2 years ago
if everyone just helped out everyone without money the world woud be great, but then again that will never happen
yankeepunk3000 2 years ago
You need urgently economic classes.
How can you say people were having better healthcare and living in general before? People did not even spect to make it past 40 years old, and that was normal! Yes, that was a lot better...
hugolp 2 years ago
I wish i could post one of comedy central's South Park episodes as a response; i love that episode about margarita's and the economy.
Time is money, and money is time or, at least it's suppose to be. It is intended to be an object representing services, be it farming, transporting water or hair cuts. If you think about it like this, nothing in life is free because everything requires a payment in time spent.
GKCanman 2 years ago
Protean, I really like your views, few people still think like that these days, I thought I was a freak or something for thinking this way about money and consumerism, and the merits of having closer ties with nature and our natural roots
shitonMOHAMMAD 2 years ago
BECHTEL is truly the epitomy of evil.
shitonMOHAMMAD 2 years ago
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bhstwo 2 years ago
Anarchy in itself is un-sustainable. Anarchy by its purest definition means everyone is truly equal, no one individual or group has dominance over another. As soon as one person or group either has more resources, or enforces physical dominance over another through the use of violence, you re-enter a hierarchical state and step out of the realms of anarchy.
Richy0326 2 years ago
@Richy0326 No it doesn't. By it's pure definition, anarchy means without rule. In anarchy not everyone is equal, because not everyone is good at everything. In an anarchic society there would still be wealth differences, but at least you'd rise or fall on YOUR OWN merits, unlike the tyrannical statist system.
andrewh817 1 year ago
...-ppl assigned different values to the myriad things being bartered for a desired good causing some to pay more for the same good. Currency created a level of fairness in the market & took power from the producer & gave it to the ppl.
*This is basic economics.
tay142387 2 years ago
[Opportunity Costs] As opportunity costs rise people find ways to increase the efficiency of production to lower their opportunity costs. Currency is a unit of exchange & costs are subjective: desire for currency developed out of the complications arising from the bartering system...
tay142387 2 years ago
You've made some great movies there, proteanview. You seem to have great issues against monetarism, polytricks and bad dichotonomies. Have you heard of Technocracy, Inc.? I do engourage clever people to get familiar with it. A non-political fact-finding group. A technological societey: No money, no politicians, no poverty and much more can happen. There is no ideology in it - just pure science. How many ideologies ever achieved what they seeked?
RSFO 2 years ago
encourage*
RSFO 2 years ago
I s'pose living in tribes would be great, but how long would it last? Until one of us got sick or so and spread the sickness around the tribe killing everyone..
jon0376 2 years ago
all this was before blacks were freed right?
nothadnotbad 2 years ago
This is the same critique Marx makes. Great points. Labor should be the think we pay attention to as a element of the things we produce, not the fake value attached to things. read Das Capital for more on this.
snapcase55 2 years ago
thats why we should all turn amish!!
zmae22 2 years ago
living in tribes wasn't that bad, people sharing, giving, working together. most people are too selfish and self centered to ever want to live on a tribe, then you have to think of those who, can't stand the natural world, and want to get away from insects, plants, and animals, and those who hate hunting and hate camping. LOL. people are so used to this lifestyle of air conditioning, indoor plumbing, buying food in stores, how ignorant they are, that lifestyle will come to an end, in the future.
prettylyricsmarie 2 years ago
everything has a price, even if its not a price of money. there is a cost for our time, cost for our energy, cost for our care...nothing is free. if it isn't money based on cost, it is cost based on someone's care, respect, time, etc. there will always be a cost...as long as people care for themselves and put down someone else. the vital rule and law of life is ignored reciprocity. being such life is off balance and things and the costs of food, clothing, shelter, etc. will get much worse.
prettylyricsmarie 2 years ago
i've never thought of that before.
respect.
ccskate 2 years ago
Life expectancy was lower in the pre-industrial age.
AminCad 2 years ago
that's an invalid arguement.
ccskate 2 years ago
????
AminCad 2 years ago
faved :)
sweetelesue 2 years ago
In ancient days there was not as much 'free' time if we did all our own work. Then people made slaves and servants. That made many things free for those that had others work for them. Sacrifice for one thing or the other.
Tribes had rules and structure where much worked . Though there was still health care, fast transportation, and many things of today unavailable.
True what you say to many things here. Though we always will have to give one kind of thing to get another for survival.
Chamelionroses 2 years ago
I like what you are saying. I just think things are too complicated anymore to go to a simplistic view. I have a small farm. I rarely get any help even in my garden. People love to get the produce from it, but do not like to share in the labor of it. Thus, I use tractors to till plant and weed. I have to pay for fuel. I have to pay for chemicals to kill the weeds in the hay fields that i use to feed the livestock. If i didn't the neighbor farmers would sue me over contamination of their crops.
johnnyoregon 2 years ago
By all means, ignore the haters. I appreciate what you're sharing with us...
SatiricalThylacine 2 years ago
lol niggerfaggot
you don't know shit about history
YutubeBlows 2 years ago
Extremely well said! Thanks for the friend invite! Subscribed!
DWest174 2 years ago
Thank you kindly for your wonderful and loving message!
It is very inpiring to hear such positive thoughts!
may love surround you
theTRUTHprincess 2 years ago
Ideally, self sufficiency must be the key, but unfortunately at the end of the day; the masses seem to be most satisfied with making life EASY. If this means quashing the quality of lives of some "meek, far-away" person, then it appears socially acceptable. It's distressing, yes it's corrupt, but I fear it's true.
TheLankyDan 2 years ago
Nasty terminal diseases existed way before "pollution". Heart diseases and cancer have been around as long as humanity has. Just because primitive tribal people weren't able to identify cancer back then, doesn't mean they didn't exist. If civilisation isn't your thing, get rid of your house and computer and go to Somalia, I hear it's good this time of year.
TiradeFaction 2 years ago
unfortunately, the monetary system had been infiltrated by those who have no remorse toward human beings. their plan is to gain the most power. and they print the money, therefore they don't need it. and they can print as much money as they want, controlling the inflation and deflation of the money supply. it has become one of their greatest tools of controlling the masses. IMF and the Fed have created a system to put people in DEBT. debt = slavery. it has become all about gaining power.
larry89 2 years ago
anything that is considered to have value in a market is called quasi-money.. this can be crops, oil, food, ANYTHING of value.. and people used to TRADE items instead of using cash.. but the reason why the idea of money started through the exchange of precious metals was because of the convenience of having coins and paper become the medium of exchange. e.g.. traders did not want to carry 100 barrels of oil to make a purchase of a 2000 cattle. using silver or gold coins was more efficient.
larry89 2 years ago
Check the avarage length of life :O.
Yes, value is ascribed to things in order to organise cooperation between people.
It is a convenction. Things do not naturally come with a value.
The value of gold is that it's rare and it's commonly accepted in trade.
If you were out to buy an IPod you would not like to carry 100kg of patatoes to pay for it.
Right now it changed to a state where currency itself is a product. You can trade it and export it (like USA does).
MarcinP2 2 years ago
food is free if you grow your own
radiantfluxify 2 years ago
everything that deals with necessities for survival should be free through self reliance. but i guess everyone relies on corporations nowadays.
larry89 2 years ago
You are actually asking if we need money? You ask "why don't we barter?". You also repeat the falsehood that food is free.
Money is the tool that allows the ever expanding division of labour to continue. It what gives us computers and phones and all the wonders of the modern world. Money evolved out of barter to fix the problem of needing a double coincidence of wants in trade. In effect money is barter. Adopting barter generally now would result in the collapse of civilisation & starvation.
Malthus0 2 years ago
But money isn't direct acquisition of goods. When you buy at item of food, you're paying not only for the person who grew it and supplied it, you're paying for the person at the check out, the person who owns the store, the person who drove the food to the store, etc. until you've paid (at least) ten people making a five cent piece of fruit cost a dollar just so everybody involved can also afford to eat. Just because it's hard to eradicate doesn't make it a logical practice.
sikboi75 2 years ago
Why is direct acquisition better? I don't see the advantage. It is nice to make some of your own furniture or grow a few vegetables but if you want to exploit the economies of scale that comes with the division of labour people need to specialise. It is about efficiency. Is the grape picker meant to drive and load the truck, stomp the grapes ferment them,bottle them and all the other jobs besides? Are all the workers to be paid in wine? How will they buy from people who don't like wine?
Malthus0 2 years ago
And money is a perfectly logical practice if are starting point is the very limiting effects of barter trade and the need for a alternative. As a spontaneous solution it is both elegant and practical. Our vineyard workers paid in wine would buy something that most people will accept - Gold silver, rare animal bones ect. Over time that good/s becomes the medium and measure of value. That allows workers to specialise driving down costs allowing us all to have more and live in greater numbers.
Malthus0 2 years ago
I disagree with one thing. Medicine back then was not necessarily worse than today. People had intensive knowledge of which plants healed which diseases, before the rise of Western medicine. Some of it was very advanced also. Look at TCM or Ayurveda. I read also that when the white man arrived in 'uncivilized' Africa, they found tribes who gave each other vaccines when this was still something being developed in Europe.
seamus2k8 2 years ago
There's a lot of truth in what you say... I haven't heard those specific examples, but I would not be surprised, and I would expect that tribal Europeans probably had a lot of similar traditional medicine, now sadly lost forever. A lot of tribal societies today still demonstrate far better health than their Westernised neighbours. And of course, they look after members of their tribe who are sick... Americans would find this idea far too 'socialist'!
dogblessamerica 2 years ago
By the way, the Botswana government are trying to 'civilise' the indigenous and ancient San people, and the effect on their health is disastrous.
dogblessamerica 2 years ago
Plants are grown for free but the act of harvesting them for use will cost time and labor. Things weren't free in a state of nature but today money is not used as simply a medium of exchange. It is worshipped as the end result of the economic process.
SiriusLupis 2 years ago
i think what he ment was free as in no money required. but you are right nothing is free because you have to do something to get what ever it is you want.
bloodysnotrag 2 years ago
And people died at 30.
abynorml29 2 years ago
Hunting and growing don't cost anything? Thats not true. They cost time. All currency does is give a value to the amount of time you are willing to give to something and when someone takes your money, what they are doing is taking time equivalent to the amount they took divided by the amount you make.
dimensionwarped 2 years ago
the thing is I prefer to do my Job to which I am good at and make money for food and other stuff. I don't know how to make all those things right, but I know how to do my job right. + How would for example a scientist do his job of creating new technologies for going into outer space or experimenting with particles if he has to grow his own food? he can't, he has to buy it! and who will make it for him? Others who work "for him" making him food and something to wear.Hope u read this.
bv90andy 2 years ago
Gold is a valuable resource, it is a good conductor and a heavy metal. We can use any scarce commodity as the money standard (preferably the one you cant grow or cheaply make). Obviously gold is only valuable because of socialization. If the government would put a cap on printing the monetary currency, then there would not be any need to back it up with any gold or diamond standards.
andron333 2 years ago
Currency is not backed up by anything these days. But I find this to be a good thing because Currency is backed up by objects that exist in a country a house a car, land and other stuff, why would it also need another backup, like gold? + Only a VERY small portion of gold is used as a conductor in electronics, most of it is valued by its beauty, just like it was thousands of years ago, we haven't grown that much...
bv90andy 2 years ago
Its not backed up by objects, since the price of the house or a vehicle will be dependent on the economic value of the dollar. Just look at the housing crisis, where people lost their homes due to artificially instilled mortgage interest rates. Excessive printing of currency will result in devaluation of various products and real estate. The important thing is to set a printing cap on the U.S currency production. This can be insured by introducing a collateral scarce resource as a value standard
andron333 2 years ago
5*! Great vid. I seems to me, that people "pay" more attention to their wants rather than their needs.For example, next time you are at the "supermarket", separate your groceries into "needs"(fruits veggies and staple products) and "wants"(potato chips, frozen pizza and other convenience products). Ring the "needs" through first. You'll see that your needs don't cost that much.
every3600years 2 years ago
I like where these videos are going and the thought processes behind them. Keep up the great work!
CurtmanZ 2 years ago
Money itself doesn't have value, no. It's used as a medium of exchange--it's effectively "worth" something because the things you're selling and the things you're buying are worth something. And it's certainly easier to deal with this intermediary that everyone wants than to try to find someone who has exactly what you want and desires exactly what you have.
Everything that seems "free" in principle costs something because resources are finite and we have a large population. Without...
schrodingasdawg 2 years ago
...some means of regulation, we can't trust humanity to adequately deal with the problem of limited resources. E.g. there is only so much fertile land. So you can divide the land between people officially designated as farmers, or you can have a governing body control the fertile lands and direct workers on how to farm, and take the food, and ration it between farmers and non-farmers. (Most farming nowadays is done the latter way; the governing body is typically a corporation. In the case of...
schrodingasdawg 2 years ago
...some communist countries, however, it was their federal government. It's still essentially the same thing--a way of regulating the fertile land.)
The number of trees and the amount of wood is limited, so you need some way of regulating how much wood is cut--and someone to ensure the trees are regrown. Fresh water is finite, and water takes effort and usable energy (another finite resource) to purify.
In the end, money--an intermediary that you can use to get what you want--is a way of...
schrodingasdawg 2 years ago
...compensating all the individuals and all the governing bodies involved in providing you with water, shelter, food, etc. for their work and the resources they expended. I think it's fair that either stuff costs money, or is free but is rationed in a very limited way (and is "paid for" by taxes).
As sustenance farming--there are too many people. We don't have the fertile land and resources (and infrastructure) necessary for everyone to farm for themselves, etc.
schrodingasdawg 2 years ago
i agree. my biggest problem with society is the entire concept of currency
JthulhuOne 2 years ago
Very well put ,the one who prints the paper( money) has to convince the buyer of the paper (money) it has value?
Great topic Does the paper have value?
What has value?
How long can you live without money is it that important?
How long can you live without food?------10 days?
How long can you live without water?-------7 Days?
How long can you live without AIR?---------4-minutes!
Is money important for LIFE?
Keep up the great intellect.
sealhunter5 2 years ago
Funny you say that because I've thought of that many times: How can we use barter instead of dollars? It's not possible because of technology and industry.
IllIIllIIIlIIIlI 2 years ago
I'm not defending money or attacking the idea of non-monetary way of life, however, I wanted to make the simple point that you're conflating "free" with not costing/requiring money. And, you seem to dismiss that perhaps, say, a walk costs more to some people, than paying for a car, for insurance, for good roads etc (sounds ironic I know). I suppose it comes down to whether you want a more complicated world, or one more simpler and primitive--not which one is "free" or "not free"
UnhealthySalad 2 years ago
If a road is important to you, than you will see that it gets built. If not than you will just drive on dirt like they do in rural areas.
The free market developed roads be fore the state did and the only people paying were people who actually wanted the road their.
It used to be legal to make your own currency, but no that takes a little power away from the Federal Reserve.
OutdoorsBlackMan 2 years ago
Currency per se' is not the problem. Because even in the barter system, what you are bartering is a form of currency.
It's the fact that paper money around the world value does not match what it buys. The culprit.....inflation - which is a scam created by the wealthy.
brrtown 2 years ago
Very good video. I've been saying this for YEARS. I'm only 19, recently turned, I've been probably (almost preaching) this since I was about 12. Everyone I meet who does have a true love for money, and thinks of it as a necessity or even a natural product of life, I tell them everything you have just said. One thing that makes me laugh but also die a little inside is when religion uses money as the almost catalyst for faith. "Let us pray to god for good wealth and fortune" - That.
angelxsid 2 years ago
There was no heart disease because most people died of infections, plague, and the like before they had a chance to get heart disease.
Growing food is not "free" - it costs a minimum of 12 hours a day 6 days a week of hard physical labor. That's not free.
If you don't pay property taxes to a government you have to shoot off invaders yourself, that's dangerous work.
Modern technology and the specialization of labor aren't the problem - fiat usury is the problem.
CarryANationIII 2 years ago
What kind of experience do you have growing vegetables? I have grown tomatoes, aloe vera, and potatoes.
The hardest job is preparing poor soil to be fertile. When you are done (assuming you needed to do much to the soil..) you can literally put the seeds down and start watering as needed. You might have to fight off a few bugs now and then. Putting carnivorous insects in your garden can be helpful.
Working is a part of life in my opinion. I feel getting things on my own is "free".
OutdoorsBlackMan 2 years ago
I think the concept of money was brought about to make bartering more efficient by having a "universal" (whether that means for a country, continent, etc.) thing to represent value.
jjmblue7 2 years ago
Be very very careful, those at the "Top" don't want us to be independent.
They want willfully stupid people.
They want sick and needy people.
They want good "consumers"
They want people who are so in debt, that they MUST be an obedient worker, so as to not get behind.
So walk in lock step, stay preoccupied with TV shows like The Simpsons & Walker Texas Ranger.
Or else you will end up like Randy Weaver @ Ruby Ridge.
gmcmudder1 2 years ago
To be fair to the "Sick and needy", surely we are all sick. You leave the house, you have your lungs polluted by cars, factories etc. You are needy, you have to use money because it is forced upon us by the constant circle. IF (Example) we all as a world decided to ditch money forever, it would work and it would make the world a much better place. That is why such plans to exterminate poverty etc aren't possible. It's inevitable. You are just as (forcefully) needy as anyone else.
angelxsid 2 years ago
Awesome, I would thrive on a little farm.
Another thought, I've seen many people who have no money live truly happy lives, I think it's because they are constantly challenged by their own situation.
Anjimom 2 years ago
You're right... we don't need money to live. However the perceived value gives us things like advanced medicine, nice cars, the internet and computers like the one you use to make your videos. These things require a group effort that couldn't be achieved without money. You can't make and barter these things. It's takes allot of people and time and effort to make them possible. That's where money comes in. What we don't need it the federal reserve. =)
Papachair 2 years ago
If I had the power, I would REVERSE my family going over in ww2 to fight and rescue those worthless bastards as the war heroes my family are. It was a MISTAKE to go. And here we are. WHAT DID I WIN? I won - being a CRIMINAL, who 'deserves' the same 'victor's justice' put on defeated Germany ON ME! The countries who FOUGHT GERMANY, are now the SAME as Germany. We helped spread communism, destroyed the ONLY ADVANCED PEOPLE in Europe to make room for? What you have NOW, shit Europe w Muslim pools
punished4honesty 2 years ago
the proper definition of money (in the absence of a state who decrees and violently enforces that no money but its own is valid) is "the most marketable commodity."
money will always exist as long as there is more than one person living in the world.
barter requires double coincidences of need (i can only get X if i have Y if i find someone who has X and needs Y). these are very uncommon and make for a very low standard of living.
you can't make money go away. it's way too natural.
mihaiguy 2 years ago
The reason Jews FORBID YOU to study ww1 in school, is because, they don't STAR IN IT and it wont CONTROL YOU. Thus, you have no need to know. Fortunately, this is youtube. There are many excellent videos about the POLITICS of WW1, the Balfour Agreement, The Treaty of Versailles, the 'stab in the back', on and on. So sick of the Zionist world religion. I will never join. You cant make me.
punished4honesty 2 years ago
Oh and how civilized were the modern advanced ( in 1940s) industrial Germans that actively supported or turned a blind eye to the use of advanced industrial power to exterminate millions of Europeans..
dickyco2 2 years ago
WW2 is PROPAGANDA. What really happened is a topic that puts OLD MEN IN PRISON. It is religion. It has 6 million Sons of God. It has high priests, and temples. It has heretics burned for lack of faith. YES! My God, I JUST EXPLAINED, that that I fully understand, the WILD RELIGIOUS WRATH OF FUNDAMENTALISM you are about to display, now that you know I am a HERETIC OF YOUR FAITH. It is called war TWO <- 2 <- why? SECOND HALF of WW1, WW1 is the war that happened. WW1 explains EVERYTHING
punished4honesty 2 years ago
I love your hair... :)
samuelbeccaria 2 years ago
Going all the way IS true Anarchy
mitchrix31 2 years ago
I've worked for a barter company. They still use their own form of currency.
Because at the end of the day too many people are involved in the process of creating any given product. It's just not viable to say "i made this, so give me this"
It's been this way for much longer than modern civilization and is likely to get more complicated over time.
The only way to change that...is to basically create a micro system of complete minimalistic living.
These communities exist...go find one.
staticbb 2 years ago
Huzzah!
Claybird121 2 years ago
what im tryng to say it that man made money always gonna change and in the position we are its just gonna go worst, thanks to president Nixon, yeah if you dont know look it up. But 'God' elements such as silver ,gold always gonna be the same or very predictable
tecomatero 2 years ago
I agree,, silver is the answer many would say gold, but iwll tell you why not gold, even tho gold have always been more expensive , but silver is al most gone just 5% is avaiable and its use in industrial purposes that means that the price gonna be crazy up and maybe have more value than gold
tecomatero 2 years ago
nicely put....
mohammadmurtaza 2 years ago
we didn't have orphans??
lcd3782 2 years ago
If someone's parents died, they had a community of people ready to raise them. The nuclear family was non existent, you had the tribal family there ready to support you and raise you.
Hunting and Gathering = A way of making a living.
Tribalism = A social organization that provides for all it's members and provides really human security and human wealth.
I'm not interested in hunting and gathering and i doubt many others are either.
Tribalism, however, can be practiced in apartments, lol.
Claybird121 2 years ago
and if your crops failed you and your children starved
crawma 2 years ago
If you were growing your food. This still happens today.
If you're NOT depending solely on food you grow, then when your crops fail, you just move on, like all animals, including humans before most of them became civilized.
Famine is the product of civilization and intensive agriculture.
Read Pulitzer prize winning anthropologist and evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond's essay "The worst mistake in the history of the human race"
YOU need the history lesson, not Proteanview.
Claybird121 2 years ago
this guy needs to go back to school and take history again
crawma 2 years ago
wrong the water was not clean dysntery and cholera killed millions every year ,there was also no antibiotics no doctors no nurses no freedom
crawma 2 years ago
You think he's referring to civilized people, but just a few hundred or thousands of years ago.
He's referring to non civilized people that still exist and ALL humans before 11,000 years ago.
Disease is worse among the civilized, disease is worse among farmers.
Fact.
Claybird121 2 years ago
Do you know how to boil water?
Nothing that can give you an illness will live when you do that.
OutdoorsBlackMan 2 years ago
Man, there are so many nutjobs on YT. Hilarious!
vertigate 2 years ago
Proteanview...Global money-noncompliance is the answer. Money is almost valueless today. It's people who make it's value, it's people who can also make it valueless by not using it. It's breaking the addiction to it that must be done. We are on youtube and face book as Global non- compliance look us up you may be surprised at the number of people wanting to do this, and growing each day.
toominds 2 years ago
Gold-Water paradox. I'd take gold.
iamthebeast666 2 years ago
See the blog "zerocurrency", there is a guy who's been living without money for 10 years. An interesting subject.
Unfortunately with the population we have I don't think society could function without money.
tybrady64 2 years ago
another great video
2deluxe58 2 years ago
Here's some other things we didn't have. If another tribe stole our hunting grounds, there was no one to stop them and we would starve.
If one of us got sick and it was something serious, there was no medicine, so he would die.
If dad got injured hunting, there was no one to help out and the family would starve.
In any case, the next tribe, if they were even friendly was 10 miles or more away and likely couldn't help with anything.
Brandt761 2 years ago
very well put, most people are just so unaware of a lot of the things you mentioned in this video like aspartame, I think it's what really holds people back.
Anyways, really intelligent video.
TheJamesPope 2 years ago
I like alot of your videos man, but this is just silly. Even though we have to deal with pollution and obesity, we don't have to worry about contaminated water, starvation, and foreign invasion, which are much worse.
illuminati800 2 years ago 2
go blacks!
itrubsthelotion3 2 years ago
Everything we do costs us a Jewish Kosher tax too :-)
illuminati800 2 years ago
Could you explain what you mean when you write in one of the many textboxes, "Anarchy is for wimps"?
lolchristians 2 years ago
okay, okay, we get it, we're cogs in the machine... lol
EbonyAbraxas 2 years ago
life expectancy of a white american male in 1850AD was 38 years, despite the absence of heart disease, diabetes, high fructose corn syrup
oilshock05 2 years ago
Money is just a way of storing work performed. Just like we learned to preserve food for winter, money allows us to store work performed for the future.
The advent of money lending, or usury, causes much of the ideas behind 'money is evil'. Without usury, large works projects would not be possible to small collectives. Usury allowed us to remove the kings as the sole creators of large works.
Money is just stored work, just like beef jerky!
Revyloution 2 years ago
Ed,
Don't use that paper towel to dry your hands! Silly.
You don't belong here. Is there a philosophertube? Because your eloquent talks remind me a bit of Eric Hoffer (hopefully that comparison doesn't offend).
I'm very pleased to have stumbled upon this. It's an interesting analysis of the "Matrix".
More should be watching you.
Thank you, I appreciate your contributions.
882me 2 years ago
AMEN, proteanview you are exactly right.
emeraldflame126 2 years ago
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JurkoffJay 2 years ago
Yes. Humanity developed civilization because we looked at having to live day-by-day hand-to-mouth resources and decided that division of labor was better. Those who could hunt would hunt and trade to those who were better at sewing. And rivers weren't exactly always clean, guess where the waste generated in early early man went.
jarod2828 2 years ago
What a strange opinion, especially when most historians claim Civilization developed due to the introduction of farming ( grains & animals) which made surpluses that needed controlling by Masters and produced by Servants . Replacing the all work together for hunting gathering everyone plays an equal part to group success that had been the way of life before.
dickyco2 2 years ago
Well after farming developed, what happened? It freed people up to pursue other occupations.
jarod2828 2 years ago
o,o..
DannyAndDorian 2 years ago
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pyaaaaar 2 years ago
Awesome stuff dude.
truthchannel 2 years ago
I don't see a paper towel commercial in your immediate future :)
NLPNVC 2 years ago
Yes I agree, food is needed for life.
Why would you post this as "Town Hall THIS"?
1oct1 2 years ago
You should model your people after the Jews. They do not sit around begging for handouts, they have pulled themselves up through hard work. I will never pay for your healthcare.
eshymanagement 2 years ago
Instead of this video go do video ask yours black brothers start to work and stop to crime.
alexei3333 2 years ago
It's true that these things used to be free, but only if you don't put any value on human exertion. I think money is a good way to measure value. A big problem comes when money does not represent anything tangible. I 100% agree that gold is over valued. Aside from a few industrial applications, gold is useless to humans.
mmsayre 2 years ago
We weren't more healthy in the past. Stuff like diabetes has always been with is. We can manage it now.
koaftder 2 years ago
I swear you had previous video supporting anarchy. Anarchy is retarded.
captainquirk24 2 years ago
Anarchy can be a good thing. I don't think it would ever work in the modern day though....
Bzdi138 2 years ago
I t has a small chance in working under a TINY population. Certainly not any country on Earth would work under anarchy. And it would be very easily turned into despotism.
captainquirk24 2 years ago
What makes you say that?
OutdoorsBlackMan 2 years ago
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AreYouConcerned 2 years ago
Is walking really free ?
I mean we pay taxes so sidewalks and bike lanes (OK pedaling) are maintained and the shoe industry makes high status but low quality products with purposeful planned obsolescence as well as wearing out your cheap socks and loose sticked pants and underwear.
Oh and we must have the right colone to not offend by smell and hair products to look good or umbrellas n overcoats to protect us from the weather
I'm sorry is that silly ?
Curas1 2 years ago
Well, if we consider that to leave the house one has to wear clothes or face the long arm of the law, then no, not even walking is free.
Popeinpink 2 years ago
There's a old British show called good neighbors that explored the comic theme of a couple trying to be self sufficient in a modern world, very funny but intelligent
The point is we are engulfed in a technologically supported society and nothing you can do can really escape it, it won't let you or you end up still on the grid by trading with people who are
Even if you decided to walk down the street perfectly decent in a potato sack and a pair of leather moccasins you would be arrested
Curas1 2 years ago
Niggers aren't the problem or a Zion occupied government, it's globalism and the divides that split it's resistance .
I don't think anyone really realizes how close white nationalism and liberal progressiveness are on many issues.
If you substitute the word white with citizen you are speaking paleo conservative and if you replace citizen with individual you are talking liberal but not libertarian because they play both sides of the fence, their social libs but the ultimate big money types.
Curas1 2 years ago
Oh and my apologies to Protean for saying the N word on his board
Curas1 2 years ago
Such mindless Utopian dribble. To paraphrase Planes Trains and Automobiles, it makes it so much more interesting when you have a point.
hejustleft 2 years ago
The cucumber isn't "free". It costs water, it takes time for someone to cultivate it and it needs some space to grow. All of these costs something. There was *never* this paradisiac "once upon a time when everything was free" because any relation is about power. Once there was no government but there was serfdom or slavery. And also there was always someone to tell "whom to hate". If not the media, then the church or the prince. Walking is still free, btw.
Popeinpink 2 years ago
I saw an annotation that said apartment-dwellers can't grow food, funny thing though, a lot of apartments include electricity as an incentive to get you to move there, grow-lights aren't that expensive, and tomatoes, which you talked about, are easy to grow, so they could, provided the electric bill is paid, grow a lot of food cheaply.
iTellYouNoLie 2 years ago
People in apartments can grow at least some of their own food so suppliments what they buy at the store. Look up container gardens. It's really not hard to grow food indoors. You can use buckets, totes or any other container that's at least six inches deep. It all depends on how much effort folks want to put into growing their own food. You can even make your own compost using worms and they sell containers for that. Again it all depends on just how much effort people want to put into it.
mamacass1972 2 years ago
Venus Project etc.
InfiniteGXT 2 years ago
I'd take the gold---I might starve but at least I'll die rich.
MustafaPresents 2 years ago
And no epidemic diseases either! And we were all much healthier!
themajikat 2 years ago
Agreed
SpicyHam 2 years ago
@spicy why do you agree? you ready to ditch your money and chuck spears?!? this dude is a slick as obama and hates jews as much. SIN!
herpesstud 2 years ago