Brings it all back. In the 60s a friend and I used to stay with my Granny in Moffat, not far from Beattock, which then had a fleet of Stanier and Fairbairn 2-6-4Ts to bank heavy trains up to the summit. Sometimes the drivers would allow us into the cab for the entire trip up and back. Once, a driver jammed the reguator open with a bit of coal, and then did his football pools. Only now can this dangerous story be told!
In the first shot it takes 198 frames (7.92sec.) for the first ten coaches to pass a given point. Mk1s are 63.5ft so that's just over 80ft/sec or around 55MPH...
...and who cares when she looks this good? What a cracking sequence.
Almost seems unbelievable that this beauty was a wreck in Woodhams yard years ago, well done , superb video with a nice , different angle, i bet your feet were cold?.
Look at "Race with an A4",I think you may see my argument mate the A4 is built for pure speed not slog they look fast standing still the Duke is wonderfull but an A4 its not my uncle was a fireman and his words were"given the right road an A4 could fly"and I thinkthe video of Union Of South Africa shows this best regards
I very much doubt it. If the LMS had had a decent amount of straight track, a Princess (aka Duchess) could well have beaten Mallard's run, and were a good deal more powerful - if you could find firemen fit enough to coal them. The Duke (at 2700 dbhp) is well more powerful than the Duchesses, now that its design cockups have been sorted, and the most powerful British loco ever, other than the Garratts.
CoeurDeLoin, I agree with your point about the Duchess class having the potential to equal the A4's for top speed given the right road.
However, I think the Duchess & Duke are more evenly matched. On the 10th Oct, Duchess of Sutherland produced over 2700 DBHP on Shap hauling 625 tons. I think the Duke is more puissant above 60, due to freer steaming valve gear, but the Duchess's are more powerful below 40, due to greater tractive effort. Producing over 2500 DBHP even as low as 30 mph.
Thanks for the info - such data are not easy to come by. DBHP is just TE x speed: 2500 @ 30mph gives 31250lb of TE, well within the Duchess' capability.
Do you know about the Duke's coal and water consumption? Are they as good as a GWR 4-6-0?
71000 has got to be one of the worst draughted loco's built! Hence why it doesn't steam well and needs such an enormous fire compared to anything else.
That certainly was the case when new out of the BR shop, dubious design and failure to manufacture to drawings meant the fire didn't draw. However, in preservation the opportunity was taken to correct all this from first principles...it quite well documented on the DofG website... In its current form, it is probably one of the best draughted boiler systems you are likely to see in use!
brackers, on a test run, after most of the boiler issues had been corrected, 71000 astonished the crew, by continuing to make steam with the regulator wide open at 60 mph, accellerating uphill, with cut off @ maximum & the safety valves blowing off furiously! The boiler produced a record steaming rate for any British loco. Even with both injectors on, they couldn't maintain water level & the regulator had to be shut to protect the fusible plug! The injectors had to be redesigned to keep up!
You have easily the best steam footage I have ever seen, and I've seen A LOT of steam footage! Every frame is a work of art! Unbelieveable! Well Done!
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am not sure that a class 47, good as they are, would in fact climb Beattock or any other bank faster than 71000. When the Duke was first out and running on the N Wales Coast, the consensus of opinion seemed to be that she was stronger than a 47, especially on that horrible climb out of Holyhead, and that was from her drivers. Certainly, virtually all the cl 8Ps around have recorded power outputs well beyond the rating of a 47.
Constant power! The 47 would obviously be better. You would need a few expert and very fit firemen to maintain that sort of umph on any steam loco. Having driven 37`s, 47`s & 57`s up the bank out of Holyhead my `FIRST HAND` experince puts the 57 top, then 47 with i am sorry to say even the Duke some way near bottom! Sorry but no steam accelerates like diesel!
abbymick, how would a 47 be better? Agreed, its tractive effort from a standing start is much greater, - but I wonder if you've confused tractive effort with drawbar horsepower? A 47 develops a maximum of 2100 drawbar horsepower. The Duke, with good coal, can exceed that by a full 600 drawbar horsepower! & has already on record comfortably sustained 300 above the 47. Up Shap it would hardly be a competition!
At last, a real artistic gem, so so so beautiful and evocative, and such a great contrast to the other mass of wobbly phonecam mis-pans of trains on U-Tube. Well done. You're either a professional, or if not you should think about it!
Wow - thank you very much for such a positive comment. I'm not a professional (but thanks anyway!) - mixing business with pleasure can be dangerous (that is, of course, if you call pleasure getting up at 5 in the morning, as I did for this haha).
I've looked at this video quite a few times and its really grown on me. A Fav!
Well shot, superb location, perfect weather & an amazing steam engine. Something stirring about seeing the smoke as a manifestation of power-especially evocative in the retreating shot.
I can well understand how 71000 could completely outclass a 47 diesel & a lot of electrics.
71000 Trust have done an unbelievable job! If only there were more resources to take it to the next level with modern technology!!
Why make reference to a class 47! A 47 would no doubt climb quicker anyway but if you are that much of a `steam fan` compare to a `Gas Works Railway King` instead! The Duke would outclass for sure. Im pissed off with the `die hard` steam buff saying "mine`s better than yours ner-ner-na-ner-ner"! We all have our likes & dislikes, and i like stea, diesel and electric having driven them ALL on the main line! Back to the vid, simply AWESOME!
Thanks very much. Class 47s have their place, and I agree there shouldn't be arguments between steam/diesel and electric fans. As long as it's done with tongue in cheek it's acceptable.
Thanks very much. I had originally gone to a crossing just to the right of this location, but when a pendo came through it was apparent that the warning alarm continued while the train came through. So I moved further away to get away from the noise - it was definitely the right move and I ended up with a better spot. Funny how these things work sometimes. Cheers, David.
I clocked the Duke at 75 when it passed the cameraman here. (I was on the M74 onmy way to meeting at Carlisle. Crested the summit at 68 and then I couldn't get away. Simply awesome.
This is a truly awesome performance, and excellent shooting - especially the going away shot - but I find it difficult to believe it is doing 75mph with 13 on up Beattock. 13, mostly Mk1s and probably a lot of those with Commonwealth bogies means a tare load of close to 400 tons. OK, so this is heading south (right?) which is an easier climb, but I would have thought more like 65mph - not to say that is not an outstanding achievement.
Quite simply I was on the M74 keeping pace with the loco over the last half mile to Beattock Summit. GIve or take errors on my speedo I clocked it at 75mph.
We went over Beattock like it wasn't there David but Bellshill was different matter,the 9mile slog testing the DUKE to the max. I was on the footplate and I just cant describe the experience. I had tears in my eyes and it wasn't the smoke, LoL
wow
damusername01 2 months ago
Beautiful images, excellent choices of places! And I'm crazy about trains!!
Angelo32516 6 months ago
It´s amazing how steep the climb looks, perhaps that´s due to the lens but a lovely video none the less.
MrPnisHead 11 months ago
13 on and no rumble lump to drag around at the back. Great!
SteffanLlwyd 1 year ago
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those were the days when we had an england ..now look at us .. swamped with pakis and niggers ...fucking disgrace !
andrew1711dalmeny 1 year ago
Great Video, 5 Stars!
60103Henry 1 year ago
Brings it all back. In the 60s a friend and I used to stay with my Granny in Moffat, not far from Beattock, which then had a fleet of Stanier and Fairbairn 2-6-4Ts to bank heavy trains up to the summit. Sometimes the drivers would allow us into the cab for the entire trip up and back. Once, a driver jammed the reguator open with a bit of coal, and then did his football pools. Only now can this dangerous story be told!
travelingcompanions 1 year ago
FAB x
andygin 1 year ago
the freeze frame at 1.31 is awesome, forget the speed that it is supposed to be doing just marvel in the excellent footage
MrRobbo1968 1 year ago
I believe the phrase is "not bloody hanging about"...
keelar001 1 year ago
ABSOULUTELY BRILLIANT LOVED THE GOING AWAY SHOT..JUST BRILLIANT
Peterminator15 1 year ago
My two-pennyworth regarding speed:
In the first shot it takes 198 frames (7.92sec.) for the first ten coaches to pass a given point. Mk1s are 63.5ft so that's just over 80ft/sec or around 55MPH...
...and who cares when she looks this good? What a cracking sequence.
TimRuffle 1 year ago
Very impressive video whatever speed it was travelling at.
I was a bit intrigued by the comments about measuring with a Speedo, till I remembered that Speedos aren't just swimwear!
JimTLonW6 1 year ago
Marvellous footage, superb locations. I particularly liked the power of the locomotive captured in the 'going-away' shot.
DownGrand1967 1 year ago
Excellent video :)!
chiefchook 1 year ago
Good shots
saddamsalaugh 1 year ago
One of the best and more efficient steam loco ever built. And the best video I have ever seen about this engine !
arnoldsdina 1 year ago
What a fantastic locomotive and only one of them built and how easily she could have been lost to history had it not been for an insightful Welshman.
heightsgreen 2 years ago
What a beast !
Creepycottages 2 years ago
Its a bit of an animal when its on full thrash !
Semifastslim 2 years ago
Almost seems unbelievable that this beauty was a wreck in Woodhams yard years ago, well done , superb video with a nice , different angle, i bet your feet were cold?.
MICKTHEMERC 2 years ago
thanks for this fantastic video
hubunight
hubinight 2 years ago
Majestic!
no4472 2 years ago
what a loco 71000 is
and60007 2 years ago
Magnificent!
cogidubnus1953 2 years ago
Look at "Race with an A4",I think you may see my argument mate the A4 is built for pure speed not slog they look fast standing still the Duke is wonderfull but an A4 its not my uncle was a fireman and his words were"given the right road an A4 could fly"and I thinkthe video of Union Of South Africa shows this best regards
burnley5960 2 years ago
The duke is wonderfull but Im sure an A4 is faster pound for pound
burnley5960 2 years ago
I very much doubt it. If the LMS had had a decent amount of straight track, a Princess (aka Duchess) could well have beaten Mallard's run, and were a good deal more powerful - if you could find firemen fit enough to coal them. The Duke (at 2700 dbhp) is well more powerful than the Duchesses, now that its design cockups have been sorted, and the most powerful British loco ever, other than the Garratts.
CoeurDeLoin 2 years ago
CoeurDeLoin, I agree with your point about the Duchess class having the potential to equal the A4's for top speed given the right road.
However, I think the Duchess & Duke are more evenly matched. On the 10th Oct, Duchess of Sutherland produced over 2700 DBHP on Shap hauling 625 tons. I think the Duke is more puissant above 60, due to freer steaming valve gear, but the Duchess's are more powerful below 40, due to greater tractive effort. Producing over 2500 DBHP even as low as 30 mph.
hiyadroogs 2 years ago
Thanks for the info - such data are not easy to come by. DBHP is just TE x speed: 2500 @ 30mph gives 31250lb of TE, well within the Duchess' capability.
Do you know about the Duke's coal and water consumption? Are they as good as a GWR 4-6-0?
CoeurDeLoin 2 years ago
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hiyadroogs 2 years ago
Linesider1, an excellent piece of work. This is the best steam video I've seen. Well done and please keep posting.
LMatters1 2 years ago
Your photography on this is quite exceptional.
knausspiano 2 years ago
Spectacular video
ifindifindlay77 2 years ago
Nice video.
dreambuilders48808 2 years ago
I believe the phrase is "going like stink"?!
keelar001 2 years ago
fantastic
p40autotrain 2 years ago
stunning...
violinings 2 years ago
Nice!
GavinS1965 2 years ago
WOW!
noelist 2 years ago
Great to see clean exhaust/ great draughting. Many locomotives worked like that would be fire-throwing. What a great beastie.
SteffanLlwyd 2 years ago
71000 has got to be one of the worst draughted loco's built! Hence why it doesn't steam well and needs such an enormous fire compared to anything else.
brackers5 2 years ago
That certainly was the case when new out of the BR shop, dubious design and failure to manufacture to drawings meant the fire didn't draw. However, in preservation the opportunity was taken to correct all this from first principles...it quite well documented on the DofG website... In its current form, it is probably one of the best draughted boiler systems you are likely to see in use!
superfingers 2 years ago
well if it is, then it certainly has some issues on the boiler design. It still steams terribly is fired thin.
brackers5 2 years ago
brackers, on a test run, after most of the boiler issues had been corrected, 71000 astonished the crew, by continuing to make steam with the regulator wide open at 60 mph, accellerating uphill, with cut off @ maximum & the safety valves blowing off furiously! The boiler produced a record steaming rate for any British loco. Even with both injectors on, they couldn't maintain water level & the regulator had to be shut to protect the fusible plug! The injectors had to be redesigned to keep up!
hiyadroogs 2 years ago
You have easily the best steam footage I have ever seen, and I've seen A LOT of steam footage! Every frame is a work of art! Unbelieveable! Well Done!
StratCatGenius 3 years ago
Excellent video and shows steam power at it s best.Must have had 600 tonnes in tow as well as the gradient to contend with.
Nice camera and audio work as well.
I believe that this loco is out of action now but being down under we do not get much news.
ufn489 3 years ago
Class video. I haven't come across it before now, but this is up there with any of the best of the professional efforts.
AndreiTupolev 3 years ago
Thank you very much - I had to get up at 4.00 in the morning to see this, and I'm now very glad I did.
Linesider1 3 years ago
Fantastic video David, this HD material is fantastic to watch and listen to..thanks..5*..Bob
robmasterman 3 years ago
Thanks Bob - I enjoy the new HD element, certainly makes my older uploads look dodgy.
Linesider1 3 years ago
Onwards and upwards David..thanks..Bob
robmasterman 3 years ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am not sure that a class 47, good as they are, would in fact climb Beattock or any other bank faster than 71000. When the Duke was first out and running on the N Wales Coast, the consensus of opinion seemed to be that she was stronger than a 47, especially on that horrible climb out of Holyhead, and that was from her drivers. Certainly, virtually all the cl 8Ps around have recorded power outputs well beyond the rating of a 47.
leeky7 3 years ago
Constant power! The 47 would obviously be better. You would need a few expert and very fit firemen to maintain that sort of umph on any steam loco. Having driven 37`s, 47`s & 57`s up the bank out of Holyhead my `FIRST HAND` experince puts the 57 top, then 47 with i am sorry to say even the Duke some way near bottom! Sorry but no steam accelerates like diesel!
abbymick 3 years ago
abbymick, how would a 47 be better? Agreed, its tractive effort from a standing start is much greater, - but I wonder if you've confused tractive effort with drawbar horsepower? A 47 develops a maximum of 2100 drawbar horsepower. The Duke, with good coal, can exceed that by a full 600 drawbar horsepower! & has already on record comfortably sustained 300 above the 47. Up Shap it would hardly be a competition!
hiyadroogs 3 years ago
We all need to thank you David. This is exceptional. Thank you for all your effort.
TwertonWriter 3 years ago
And thanks for such a nice comment. Best wishes, David.
Linesider1 3 years ago
AAAA.062318Z DEC 2008 My word another fine video...Thank you for posting.......AR.
fourwayscottage 3 years ago
You're quite welcome.
Linesider1 3 years ago
At last, a real artistic gem, so so so beautiful and evocative, and such a great contrast to the other mass of wobbly phonecam mis-pans of trains on U-Tube. Well done. You're either a professional, or if not you should think about it!
manwithafunnyname 3 years ago
Wow - thank you very much for such a positive comment. I'm not a professional (but thanks anyway!) - mixing business with pleasure can be dangerous (that is, of course, if you call pleasure getting up at 5 in the morning, as I did for this haha).
Linesider1 3 years ago
Poetry in motion! Stunning photography...
Thanks for sharing this with us.
cobbybrook 3 years ago
You're welcome; thanks for such positive feedback!
Linesider1 3 years ago
I've looked at this video quite a few times and its really grown on me. A Fav!
Well shot, superb location, perfect weather & an amazing steam engine. Something stirring about seeing the smoke as a manifestation of power-especially evocative in the retreating shot.
I can well understand how 71000 could completely outclass a 47 diesel & a lot of electrics.
71000 Trust have done an unbelievable job! If only there were more resources to take it to the next level with modern technology!!
HughFromAlice 3 years ago
Thank you very much - quite an engine indeed; we'll hopefully see her back on a mainline tour again soon.
Linesider1 3 years ago
Why make reference to a class 47! A 47 would no doubt climb quicker anyway but if you are that much of a `steam fan` compare to a `Gas Works Railway King` instead! The Duke would outclass for sure. Im pissed off with the `die hard` steam buff saying "mine`s better than yours ner-ner-na-ner-ner"! We all have our likes & dislikes, and i like stea, diesel and electric having driven them ALL on the main line! Back to the vid, simply AWESOME!
abbymick 3 years ago
Thanks very much. Class 47s have their place, and I agree there shouldn't be arguments between steam/diesel and electric fans. As long as it's done with tongue in cheek it's acceptable.
Linesider1 3 years ago
No probs. Here`s waiting for Tornado next!
abbymick 3 years ago
absolutely wonderful, u did a job finding the perfect location, 5 stars! :)
TheXtremeEnthusiast 3 years ago
Thanks very much. I had originally gone to a crossing just to the right of this location, but when a pendo came through it was apparent that the warning alarm continued while the train came through. So I moved further away to get away from the noise - it was definitely the right move and I ended up with a better spot. Funny how these things work sometimes. Cheers, David.
Linesider1 3 years ago
nice move m8...no prob!
TheXtremeEnthusiast 3 years ago
good job**
TheXtremeEnthusiast 3 years ago
glorious in the cold winter air. have you seen the steam at speed series on Youtube?
sheep21 3 years ago
Thank you. No I haven't seen that series - must look it up. Cheers, David.
Linesider1 3 years ago
Thanks for all the great comments guys. Sorry I was unable to reply at the time of posting the video, but it's never too late to say thank you! :-)
Linesider1 3 years ago
No worries, I have over a thousand unread e-mails in my in box at work... It's hard to keep up!
Can you imagine a streched 71000 as a 4-8-4?
SteffanLlwyd 3 years ago
Thirteen on at 75 up-grade?! What DBHP is needed for that!!!!????
Great vid. Matches your Manor on Talerddig!
SteffanLlwyd 3 years ago
Thank you. It was indeed a fantastic performance - long live the Duke!
Linesider1 3 years ago
I'm glad I've just found you David, this is another outstanding piece of work..well done..5*
robmasterman 3 years ago
Many thanks - well worth the 5.30 wake up call I think!
Linesider1 3 years ago
I clocked the Duke at 75 when it passed the cameraman here. (I was on the M74 onmy way to meeting at Carlisle. Crested the summit at 68 and then I couldn't get away. Simply awesome.
crunchie48 3 years ago
Thank you very much for that information (and sorry for the ridiculously slow reply!!).
Linesider1 3 years ago
Could you say how you clocked 75mph?
This is a truly awesome performance, and excellent shooting - especially the going away shot - but I find it difficult to believe it is doing 75mph with 13 on up Beattock. 13, mostly Mk1s and probably a lot of those with Commonwealth bogies means a tare load of close to 400 tons. OK, so this is heading south (right?) which is an easier climb, but I would have thought more like 65mph - not to say that is not an outstanding achievement.
sofialeguan 2 years ago
Quite simply I was on the M74 keeping pace with the loco over the last half mile to Beattock Summit. GIve or take errors on my speedo I clocked it at 75mph.
crunchie48 2 years ago
Many thanks for providing that info.
Linesider1 2 years ago
We went over Beattock like it wasn't there David but Bellshill was different matter,the 9mile slog testing the DUKE to the max. I was on the footplate and I just cant describe the experience. I had tears in my eyes and it wasn't the smoke, LoL
Hugh.
RailMon 3 years ago
Very good vid.
AndrzejMastalerz 3 years ago
Wonderful stuff David.
slbury 3 years ago
Lovely stuff, enjoyed the 1st shot the most, but both were great
JBTEvans 3 years ago
A stunning video. Bravo.
hurleyfunbags 3 years ago
Excellent vid Linesider.Well done.
rab4472 3 years ago
Top notch,,, Thats just stunning
woodlandsteve 3 years ago
Ermmmm..... WOW!!!!!
Shoddy127 3 years ago
I'd stop up all night to get a shot like that.
WELL DONE!!
FernFilms 3 years ago
Beautiful. Thank you
Lainiodurrant 3 years ago
Brilliant David - well worth getting up early in the morning for. Chris
khankadet 3 years ago
Superb, thats the best yet, perfect weather, loco and location. Top work matey !
cossie matt.
sarahandmatt13 3 years ago
AWESOME!
WOW
5*
AMAZING work nice one
Owentheguitarist666 3 years ago
Great Stuff David! The Duke was certainly in fine form indeed. 2 very excellent shots.
Steam1989 3 years ago
Oh wow, just terific. Nowt else to say, really.
Tomlan2007 3 years ago
Lets not beat about the bush, that is absolutely stunning.
ralph5407 3 years ago