One of the worst films I've ever seen in my life. Only good bit is when Tom Waits turns up for two minutes. Tony Scott has the odd good movie like True Romance and Crimson Tide, but his track record is far spottier than Ridley's. Not that Ridley Scott doesn't have some stinkers in his resume, but after all, he made Blade Runner and Alien. Enough said.
@TulseLuper I'm amazed that he did True Romance; I didn't realise. Like two completely different film-makers. Yes, in my opinion Ridley Scott also has a spotty career with extreme highs and lows. I am eternally baffled by the respect given to Gladiator and Black Hawk Down. The former was like an extended Xena: Warrior Princess and the latter was like a particularly tasteless first-person shooter; it completely avoided looking at the 'enemy' as human.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Black Hawk Down also avoided looking any soldiers as humans. There were just a bunch of uninteresting faceless beings. Instead of having a few leads carying the film and fletching them out on the script level, he had a bunch of young actors, never having enough time in the sun to care about them when they die. You didn't care about any of them and as such the movie was basically noise and explosion.
@skinwalkerxxx Hmm, I kind of disagree. Go back to my analogy of the first-person shooter: the 'good guys' do have some characterisation, however paltry and stereotyped, whereas the baddie hordes are strictly cookie-cutter. In BHD, for example, there is Tom Sizemore's macho Lieutenant Colonel, the green and anxious Ewan MacGregor (terrible Yank accent) and the slick Delta sniper guys - there are no equivalent baddies at all; they are like the zombies in Resident Evil.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Well the baddies were written that way because maybe you were not meant to empatizes with them as it's about a group of soldiers in a state of siege. But all i'm saying is I never connected with anybody on the heroes side either. Even those you mentioned did not have enough face time to really care about them. Maybe it would have been cliche, but it needed a strong hero with charisma leading the way. Or three of them.
I like Tony, but Ridley is clearly more gifted. Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, American Gangster etc. Fave Tony films though ?... Enemy of the State and Deja Vu...
This was the first movie I ever walked out of, & there still hasn't been many since. That's how much I hated this shite.
ardbastard1 1 month ago
probably one of the worst movies ever made
yellowwasp09 4 months ago
One of the worst films I've ever seen in my life. Only good bit is when Tom Waits turns up for two minutes. Tony Scott has the odd good movie like True Romance and Crimson Tide, but his track record is far spottier than Ridley's. Not that Ridley Scott doesn't have some stinkers in his resume, but after all, he made Blade Runner and Alien. Enough said.
TulseLuper 1 year ago
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FrogmortonHotchkiss 1 year ago
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FrogmortonHotchkiss 1 year ago
@TulseLuper I'm amazed that he did True Romance; I didn't realise. Like two completely different film-makers. Yes, in my opinion Ridley Scott also has a spotty career with extreme highs and lows. I am eternally baffled by the respect given to Gladiator and Black Hawk Down. The former was like an extended Xena: Warrior Princess and the latter was like a particularly tasteless first-person shooter; it completely avoided looking at the 'enemy' as human.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 1 year ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Black Hawk Down also avoided looking any soldiers as humans. There were just a bunch of uninteresting faceless beings. Instead of having a few leads carying the film and fletching them out on the script level, he had a bunch of young actors, never having enough time in the sun to care about them when they die. You didn't care about any of them and as such the movie was basically noise and explosion.
skinwalkerxxx 1 year ago
@skinwalkerxxx Hmm, I kind of disagree. Go back to my analogy of the first-person shooter: the 'good guys' do have some characterisation, however paltry and stereotyped, whereas the baddie hordes are strictly cookie-cutter. In BHD, for example, there is Tom Sizemore's macho Lieutenant Colonel, the green and anxious Ewan MacGregor (terrible Yank accent) and the slick Delta sniper guys - there are no equivalent baddies at all; they are like the zombies in Resident Evil.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 1 year ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Well the baddies were written that way because maybe you were not meant to empatizes with them as it's about a group of soldiers in a state of siege. But all i'm saying is I never connected with anybody on the heroes side either. Even those you mentioned did not have enough face time to really care about them. Maybe it would have been cliche, but it needed a strong hero with charisma leading the way. Or three of them.
skinwalkerxxx 1 year ago
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TulseLuper 1 year ago
I like Tony, but Ridley is clearly more gifted. Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, American Gangster etc. Fave Tony films though ?... Enemy of the State and Deja Vu...
DannyBoy777 1 year ago
@DannyBoy777 Crimson Tide!
TheScrewball1982 7 months ago
i prefer tony scott. true romace, man on fire
ryedog87 2 years ago