actually jordan made pippen to be his dream teammate to have, a teammate who can guard, block, assist, drive, create plays etc.. Pippen is more all-around than jordan too
come on my dude you know pippen WAS NOT a more complete player than JORDAN. MJ won the defensive player of the year award AND the scoring title in the same year! how much more complete can you get than that?
When MJ left in 93 the team acquired Kukoc. Bulls lost MJ but they got a 6'11" forward. They were pretty good w/o MJ. But if MJ stayed and Pippen left they could have won the championship with Kukoc taking Scottie's place.
@23fann Normally I don't comment on this kind of stuff, but you're wrong. Toni might have been able to replace 80% of what Pippen brought to the table offensively, but Pip's greatest contributions were arguably on the defensive end. He was the best help and one-on-one defender the Bulls had, and having Pippen allowed Jordan to focus on scoring. Kukoc's lead Chicago to the East's worst record in his lone season as the team's best player. Toni Kukoc wasn't half the player that Scottie Pippen was.
@Elgin22Baylor You're right, Pippen was a better player than Kukoc defensively. But the Bulls could have still won it all with what they had. Mj could have adjusted to the situation and figured out a way to win. Pippen's numbers were not that great in the playoffs and MJ was the best one on one defender on that team not Pippen. Pippen might have been more effective against bigger guys but against quicker players MJ was far more effective. .
people keep talking if pip was never on the bulls they wouldnt of won...there is no way to know cuz if pip wasnt on the bulls that means they would of had to get another player to replace him and who knows maybe that teams would have had success...u just cant take a player off a team for argument sake and say they wouldnt win cuz u can do dat with most players even role players..take kobe off da lakers and they dont win da title last year but da same can b said 4 gasol,bynum,odom,fisher
if t-mac was never injured..he will b the best in the game today..and i love lebron..so stfu and understand what he is trying to say..he knos more basketball than any1 commenting on this video.
Pippen is who came in...when he started rolling so did the team...he was the piece they needed...remember basketball is a TEAM sport Jordan was not the Bulls neither was Pippen but together they were the BEST duo in the NBA along with Stockton/Malone
@Bubu990 yo player my starting five would be Michael Jordan,Scottie Pippen,Dennis Rodman Reggie Miller and Hakeem Olajuwon....show me what you got,,,in my opinion my five will destroy any five ever that can be assemble.
Yes Jordan made Pippen a better player, but the Bulls would not have won anything if it was just MJ and there was no Pippen.....just look @ the first 5-6 years of MJ's career.
@SFO14 fair call.... lets just say together they were unstoppable.... and a real pleasure to watch for all bball fans around the world.... as a bball fan i feel fortunate to have watched some of those games in high school, when i understood the game a little better, and now i appriciate what they did..... the how that they put on...
@BAE51C very true....I'd say they're the reason I got into basketball in the first place. I was in 7th grade @ the beginning of the 1st 3peat and got to watch them throughout the 90's, fun time for basketball. I miss 90's bball
@SFO14 not just the fun time, 90's was the best time. Bulls to me then was the perfect team. you got the Jordan, and Pippen duo, and if that wasnt enough, you also had the most entertaining man in the NBA, Dennis Rodman. its the time when air jordan's came out, basketball was everywhere.. space jam.. just glad to witness all of that.
forget d.wade, forget kevin durant or cp3... forget everybody that u know is or atleast was highly underrated, Scottie Pippen was the most underrated player everr in the historyof basketball
Of course Jordan wouldn't have won without Scottie just like Kobe wouldn't have won without Shaq or wouldn't have won without Gasol. Everybody needs another player to take the pressure off. That doesn't detract from their Greatness. Before Pippen was on the Bulls, Jordan was scoring 63 points on Boston and losing the game. Pippen was an unbelievable asset and I don't know of anybody sleeping on Scottie. Jordan and Pippen were the best duo in basketball.
MJ would never admit it directly because of pride, but he knows he would not have done it without Scottie, he just won't say it openly. At Pippen's jersey retirement in Chicago, Jordan said that Pippen pushed him in practice to be the best Michael Jordan like no one ever did before. I think Pippen and MJ brought out the best in one another... Let's see if Lebron and Wade can reproduce that this season.
I agree...on both counts...MJ without a DOUBT...the greatest ever...but...without Scottie...no rings...or at LEAST not six...maybe one...eventually...
bulls cannot win the championship without pippen,enough said....................one player cannot win any chip,even though mj was batman,he needed robin.
@ArmandoXIII yow mi don,how the faggot thing drop in,i simply made a comment,and you are going to attach some form of gay connotation to it,mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,i wonder if ants is in your milk?anyway batman and robin work together,and so did jordan and pippen,not superman and batman ok,so just leave my analogy alone,and focus on the meaning of what i said,and never u ever u bring gay to my thing ok,i can only spell women,and i would prefer u say something about that,so we could chat.
Superman and Batman work together all the time dumbass, and they are a great duo too. Your analogy is gay because Robin fucking sucks ass, Pippen was not a sidekick, he was a superhero on it's own, so shut the fuck up already.
@ArmandoXIII u are fasinated with gays...... ok then,now i know where your alliance is,bossman u are getting upset like a bitch,come on mr.happyman,go easy,i said it already,i am saying it again,mj was batman,and pippen was robin,they work together in the batman sequel,not superman ok,and another thing was batman and robin your favourite super heroes growning up,or when u got big,u idolize someone from the sitcom Queer as folk?
Without Jordan there would be no Scottie. Jordan molded his game to help him win. Why can't people see that? Scottie didn't have a heart, desire or will before getting with Jordan. Jordan put that in Pip so that he could help him win. NO TEAM has ever won a title without a 1,2 punch. Period. So i don't see what the big deal is.
He's right. See the 91 Finals, where Jordan basically can't handle Magic in the post, and then they switch and put Scottie on him and then the series is done from that point on.
I love how Tracy is backing up Scottie Pippen but he leaves the Raptors and Vince Carter because he didnt want to be the Scottie Pippen and let Carter be the Jordan now look at both of them if he had stayed Raptors would've been champions 3 times by now and the great chemistry between them especially since their cousins they have the same grandma
@celeb1011 A few things on that. T-Mac had a right to not want to be second fiddle to Vince, as he is the more well rounded player and playmaker. Vince is awesome for 3 and half quarters and then just flat out sucks in the clutch. For that reason alone they would've never won 3 championships. Maybe had Grant Hill not gotten injured in his prime. He would've been likely to get 1 or 2 with him.
Being from Chicago and watched almost every game since the Jordan's arrival, I hate to say it, but Jordan would have won without Pippen. One reason! Jordan made every player around him look like a hall of famer. I think they could have put anyone who was in average player in the 80's & 90's in the small forward and Jordan would had made him great. 80 & 90's players would much more decipline than todays players. Kukoc would have been the piece in the later stages. Sorry, my opinion.
People need to realize that yes Mj would not have won without Pip but at the same time, you could replace Pip with a few diffrent Stars in the league and got the same results.(ex. Malone, Olajuwan Shaq). Kinda like the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. I just dont think the same can be said for Pippen.
@str8duval Further from the truth lol Duval...U need to do your research and stop flowing with the crowd. I can tell ur not educated on basketball or scottie pippen. Here's what you should do. Trace kobe bryant's, Tmac's, Vince Carter, Lebron James' careers and tell me what you come up with. Those guys all looked up to pip. Hence Tmac's Video. Listen look for Scottie Pippen's power and grace, ultimate defender but most importantly look for his retirement ceremony.
@djfine100 Actually I'v followed Pips whole career and all those players you just named looked up to Jordan as well so whats your point. And TMAC says in this Video that Mj is goat.
@str8duval Look also on Jordans induction speech he admitted it himself even in his tribute to pippen. also on youtube look for washington wizards vs portland trailblazers...pippen vs jordan for the first time. Pip owned jordan. they won by 20 points. Pippen was the glue that held the bulls together and all the other teams. He led the bulls without jordan to east finals game 7 and the ref also said he shouldnt have made the call he made that would have sent them to the finals yrs later.
@djfine100 MJ admited the obvous that he needed Pippen to win. Everyone needs . He in no way said Pip was better. Also Pippen had much better team when they met and Mj was near 40. Your not useing that as proof are you? And Bulls lost in the second round not the ECF. Do your reserch..
@str8duval Pip also led the blazers to game 7 of the west finals and lost by 5 to the lakers because shaq was dominating the paint. reason being they were up by 16 and sabonis fouled out and shaq handled the mis match. While that was going on jordan didnt even make the playoffs with the wizards. wizards fired jordan! Also before pip on the bulls jordan and the bulls got swept every yr by the pistons. Pips stats are better than jordans in bulls history as well leading the way with most 3s made
@djfine100 Put any 40yr old on a team full of scrubs and yound guy that will happen ever time. No one really expected much from the Wiz anyway. I understand Pip is your boy and all but u really should do some research. the Bull were never swept by the Pistons, Pippen does not have better over all stats then Mj and MJ's impacted on a team is much greater. sorry
@str8duval and pip used to shoot 3s from anywhere on the court even over half court thats why lebron and bryant shoot threes that long now. Phil said he was the ball handler for the bulls and made jordan and the team look good. he also played sg, sf and pg a role player while jordan was only a sg. He looks better playing too better skills he was just humble. but we could argue this all day...just watch the videos. Thanks
@djfine100 And Mj didnt shoot from all over. lol.. you have learn how b ball works to understand. The Bulls never really had a true playmaker at the pg position. Paxon, BJ, and Kerr were bascally jump shooters. The best play makers where MJ and Pip. MJ was the the first option(and maybe the second too) to score so it only made sence to have Pip handle the ball alot. Also MJ played the pg full time in i belive in 88 for half a season as well as small forward on the Wiz.
Everyone knows that, MJ himself said it, Scottie's said it, it's clearly understood that Mike would have never won a championship if he didn't have another legit great player next to him. No one has ever won a championship by themselves with scrubs and no one ever will, there's just too much talent in teams for one talented guy to beat them all in 7-game series.
Scottie's a top 50 player of all-time and, in my eyes, the best defensive perimeter player ever, plus Chicago had good role players.
ofcourse he wouldnt have won without pippen. That makes no sense. Thats like saying shaq would have won withou kobe, or magic without kareem, or isiah without lambeer. You cant have a great team without a proper supporting cast. But not to confuse the issue, Scottie was great. Top 15 player of all time.
without pippen who is gonna guard the heavy scorers or pgs??...damn sure jordan wasnt guard gary payton mark jackson shawn kemp derek harper penny hardaway tim hardaway without pippen jordan kouldnt do it...pippen almost did it without jordan got snubbed n da second round and still didnt get mvp of the league wtf??
@TimothyE You're Right Timothy Pippen did do all the dirty work and made Jordan look good and with his assists he made Jordan score alot of points. I agree Jordans scoring looks good on paper but in reality Pippen is a much better player. Look at this Vid. Pippen vs Jordan in the Washington Wizards vs Portland T. Blazers Game.
I agree. It is a team game and Jordan could not do it alone. Jordan had (at one point) Craig Hodges, John Paxson, and Steve Kerr, three of the best three point shooters ever. He also had 3 centers that were not great, but could play their part and fill the middle. Also, he had Scottie Pippen! Scottie was an All Star and on the defensive team. Not to mention there was Rodman at one point, best rebounder. And a good power Forward in Grant. It's a team game
jordan is the greatest of all time, but without pippen, they won't make it. this thing goes to all NBA champions teams, none of them had only 1superstar, they all had 2 or more.
Jordan was the greatest of all time...but Scottie Pippen, in my opinion, was one of the greatest also...I don't know if the Bulls would've lost without Scottie, but I woouldn't be surprised if they had.
People notice and value a good player majorly by his ability to finish a play. When he finishes beautifully, and does spectacular finishes, people start remember him and then he becomes great and then the greatest. But in my opinion, people don't value enough those who allow for those great finishes to happen. For a player like Jordan to finish with a slam dunk, he needed someone to open up the way for him...he needed someone to keep the defenders off his back and out of his way...
Kobe bryant looked up to pippen hence his hairstyles and number in high school (number 33). bryant now if u watch him closely he has pippens style but he cant convert much of what he wants to because he doesnt have the height. bryants skills r much like pippens and even now he is starting to play like pippen in his career facilitating and getting the team involved sharing the ball. also take a look at the portland trailblazers vs lakers 2000 playoffs games 4 - 7 in particular. Thanks
Kobe himself said he loved Magic the fav player, but he learn the most from Jordan because they are similar.
And Kobe also Penny's fan. I don't know about Scottie, I don't think they have any connection. I only know Pippen argue with Mark Jackson about Kobe or Jordan who is the greatest.
@fifa1688 Watch Kobe closely, he copies pippen even with his wife lol Kobe said magic is his fav. player but he doesnt like him...He said that because if you look at an earlier interview pippen said magic was his fav player....But pippen is bryants fav...U just have to study the two. watch pippen's and bryants interviews the raising of the eyebrows the licking of the lips, the calm composure and the dribbling especially. watch pippens vids..power and grace and ultimate defender.
@fifa1688 retirement cer. phila and everybody said pip is the greatest. he made jordan looked good...watch this clip fifa...wizards vs trailblazers (trailblazers went to the west finals game 7 with pip wizards didnt...in this clip jordan playng against pip for the first time...blazers won by 20...pip man handled jordan. watch
Continued: And at that time jordan got fired from the wizards of course like his old bulls didnt get very far now did he? Jordan credits pippen for the wins in his inductioon speech and he had no choice. pippen is an all round player best in the game and defender. He was complete jordan wasnt. pippen did all the background work and made jordan look good. his stats are all round jordan was known for his scoring courtesy of scottie pippen.
Pippen also benefited from MJ. MJ left Bulls for one season, the Bulls went down to a team had less than 50% winning rate. Pippen also admitted in interview that he was under pressure and he though he was much more comfortable when he was second rule not the leader, and he wanted Jordan back.
Pippen an all around player because he could defend taller player. But MJ was the most effecient player of history, not only a scorer.
Hey T-Mac, watch scottie pippen's retirement ceremony, scottie pippen power and grace and ultimate defender. also washington wizards vs portland trail blazers scottie vs michael. Pippen to me is the greatest player to ever play the game...Led the bulls to 6 nba championships and jordan got the credit. remember before pippen jordan and the bulls got swept every yr by the pistons. pippen without jordan led the bulls to game 7 of the east finals and game 7 (portland t.blazers) against the lakers.
I love Pippen, but MJ still the leader, the ship will eventually lost direction if it doesn't have a leader. Also Mj was a player can score in any situation but Pippen couldn't. Pippen was great but he was suitable for a second player for sure. You can't say the team can without the leader but can't win without second player. The truth is any champ need a complete team. And no champ can win a title without a strong leader, Jordan was the strong leader. Pip a great player but not a leader.
By the way, it's not fair most credits for the leader, but it is normal that most credits goes for the leader.
It doesn't mean a champ team can win with only one super star, it only means that the leader, the motivation of any champ team, indeed gets most credits. It's not strange at all because if you don't have a man with strong will to win and great skills to convince teammates, then you get no rings in any good sports league.
Pip is great player but thats not enough to lead a team.
You just listen to what T-Mac says, this guy talk nothing about leadership, nothing about the desire to win. If you listen what Jordan or Kobe talk, they always show ambition and agression that T-Mac will never have. Thats the difference between a great player and a normal start player.
Pippen is between a great player and a star. He is aggressive, but his aggresion and ambition couldn't last without a leader. Thats the reason Pippen needs Michael Jordan.
And the reason MJ needs Pip is so simple. It's just like you want to success in a business you need to have many helper. A champ team need many support, but all surround the center, the leader. Without a great leader, a team will be a race car with no enough oil, will stop in the road eventually.
A strong leader can attract good players, just watch how Kobe win, he looks lucky he got Gasol and Phil, but only winner attract winner, a winner is a man most desirable to win!
@fifa1688 Watch Pippen Ultimate defender...pippen according to phil and jordan was a luxury. he is a one man wrecking crew. bryant confessed that defense wins games and thats what pip had along with the skills his skills are superior to jordans. But besides the offense he brought the bulls won because of his defense on the big players like magic, mark jackson etc. u have to do ur research and ull come up with the answers.
@fifa1688 All the hype that was on jordan was because he came into the league with acrobatic dr j skills and they were amazed at the rookie. and when big players came like pip and rodman, paxon etc they focused on jordan more when they were winning. jordan was a role player...pippen did the back ground work like pg, sg steals outside shooting he holds the record in bulls history with most three pointers made but yet jordan was the offensive player. please lol
@fifa1688 pippen did that but look at the other categories he filled across the board n he played d night in and out ...jordan and phil said it themselfs pippen kan score 30 a game if he wanted to but he rather get his team involved and do other things besides score...wit and without shaq did kobe lead his teams in i think it was 6 or 7 major catagories on his team and still take em to da playoffs kobe barely took his team to da 8th seed after shaq left pippen had 50+ win and playoff 2nd rd
yeah, Pippen did great job after MJ left. At that point, he is a better team player and leader than Kobe Bryant.
But Lakers needed to rebuild themselves after Shaq left, and bulls didn't need to. They were still a great team, and they played together for years.
Bulls in 1993 didn't have good record(only 57 wins), but they did better than 1992 in playoffs. If MJ never left, I bet Bulls could still have 62+ wins in 1994 and won another ring.
@fifa1688 wat did they have to rebuild they lost shaq n maybe one or two others and im sorry but 57 wins after loosing the best player in the nba is still pretty good to me
yeah but not 57 wins in 1994. also 1995 is different story, and then MJ came back, improved the Bulls in that season. Lakers did need rebuild, and they didn't have Phil Jackson in that season.
@djfine100 jordan wasnt a role player but pippen did do all the dirty werk and background shit that jordan kouldnt do...pippen defense was superb and his passing was better than jordan overall jordan had the points but im sorry if u gave pippen dat many shots im pretty sure he average more a game....plus pippen was humble...my eye pippen was a better player overall but in the books jordan was a better scorer but if u really watched the games and basketball itself u see pippen was a better player
pippen got short changed that year w/out michael and really thought he could've won the following year if mj didn't come back. but watev...i'm w t-mac. pippen is dope and mj couldn't do it w/out him
MJ maybe couldn't win without Pippen, but could Magic win without Jabbar or Worthy? Could Bird win without Mchale? Could Olajuwon win without Drexler? Could Shaq win without Kobe? Could Kobe win without Gasol?
Come on! It's a stupid comment!! What kind of player can win without support? You tell me?
Only if the league sucks, then a team can win a ring with only one super star!
@fifa1688 you're such a puppet. Essentially you're saying that a team needs two superstars to win? Let's go back to the 2004 Summer Olympics, where the U.S. lost in the semi-finals to Argentina.
Argentina superstar: Manu Ginobili
United States superstars:
Tim Duncan, Lamar Odom, Emeka Okafor, Carmelo Anthony, Carlos Boozer, Richard Jefferson,Shawn Marion, Amar'e Stoudemire, LeBron James, Allen Iverson, Stephon Marbury, Dwyane Wade.
without Jordan The Bulls Won 55 games and lost in the Eastern Conference Finals... Scottie won All Star Game MVP, And was second in regular season MVP voting...
Scottie = Gasol
Kobe Is Great And All, But U Seen Homie Without Gasol...
Back to the whole MJ couldn't have won one w/out Pippen, his second three-peat team w/ Ron Harper (avereaged over 20ppg multiple times in his carrer), Dennis Rodman (pound for pound the greatest rebounder of all time), Toni Kukoc (first European player to show that type of skill), and big bodies like Luke and co. plus they had one of my favorite spot of shooters, Steve Kerr, although I'd take Paxson over Kerr anyday.
We can only speculate what players MJ would have had around him if Scottie wasn't there. I still feel that Jordan would have squeezed out a title or two even without Pip. The guy rules his era. I like this vid b/c T-Mac is sticking up for Scottie who his almost the exact same player as himself. Durant, McGrady, Pippen, all 6'7" - 6'9" can shoot, defend (still waiting Durant), have handles, rebounds, great passers....
T-Mac is not all right. MJ and Scottie can be liken to a piece of cake with icing. Michael Jordan is the cake while Scottie is the icing. You can eat either one of the two separately but taste perfectly when eaten together. Take away the icing, the cake would still be perfect and satisfy you. Take away the cake, icing will only give you momentary sweetness but will never feed you. Team needs cake more than the icing. Sorry folks I am eating cake as of this moment, LOL.
Micheal Jordan is definitely the greatest of all time but Pippen is probably the best fit for a team player of all time. Pippen would fit in well with any team in his prime. Same could not said for Jordan, it would be like having Melo and AI together it doesn't really work but, Pippen would work because it would be like having Billups and Kenyon Martin in one package playing with Melo. On certain teams Jordan would not be able to meet his full potential but Pippen can on any team.
I don't think that people understand that MJ's style of play would not fit anywhere, and he was fortunate to have a player like Pippen who could be dominant without having to shoot 20 times a game. I would just like to quote Bulls asst. coach, Tex Winter... "It's often said Jordan needed Pippen and Pippen needed Jordan. I'm not sure Jordan didn't need Pippen more than Pippen needed Jordan."
i agree,michael is the best player of all time no doubt but he the bulls would not do it withouth scottie who in my opinion is the 2nd best all round player of all time.
Thats true if you take Pippen off and Rodman Jordan wouldint be wat he is today is the best player ever but the bulls dont get enough credit for putting Micheal on the Map like that!!
The Bulls would still have won a ring witout Scottie, maybe not six but they still would have won. Phil Jackson has won 10 rings. He would have coached them to one even without Pippen.
im sick of all this fake mj fans talkin about mj winning by himself that's bullshit they dont know nothin and i doubt they actually saw him play, basketball is a team game
when mj left the bulls, scottie took over and they won 55 games but ended only to second round. but when MJ returned to the game, they were the champion again.
T Mac should have stayed with the Raptors to see what kind of duo he and VC could have made, might have been equal to Jordan and Pippen. Back in those days before he left for Orlando, he played madd defense, Scottie Pippen like defense. He took the pressure off VC and VC would have taken the pressure off him if he stayed. I live in Toronto, so I was fortunate to watch all the games via cable, and I honestly thought the Raptors had something special in both of them.
Anyone that says those Bulls teams win without Pip don't know dick about Ball. Scottie was the most versatile defender of his generation, and took so much pressure off MJ, he was their point forward and primary ball handler, there is NO Bulls dynasty without Pip...period!
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there is no Bulls dynasty without MJ!
And there is no Bulls dynasty or even one champion without Michael Jordan.
The team spent 3 or 4 years to make it complete, if you took any start player from it and no other player can fit the hole, then it surely will weaken.
It's not about Pippen, it's about a team, if the Bulls was built around Pippen not MJ, then it would never be a champ team because Pip was not the guy in the center, not the most ambitious player at all!
@BarstoolBlues33 Scottie was a way better player than Odom EVER was? Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Scottie was weak both mentally and physically coming onto the Bulls. Odom was more productive his first 2 years in the league. Jordan influence Scottie and helped change his mentality and his game to make him competitive. Without Jordan, Scottie Pippen as we know him wouldn't have existed. He would have been just another guy laughing and giggling on a team.
Oh you're one of those, Michael Jordan Made Scottie Pippen people. One of those that believes Pippen had no drive and motivation...yeah walking on to Central Arkansas as the ball boy and coming out of college as the 5th pick...yeah he wasn't motivated. Also everyone has someone that helps them along. Moses Malone was the one who instilled Barkley with a bit of work ethic...did he make him now to? I'm so tired of this horse shit. You're obviously a Laker fanboy too by your page.
Because only a fool would basically bring up a players two first seasons to prove to someone else that...well he had a better first two seasons, so he wasn't better then he EVER was...lol why even take the time to argue that? Because you are a laker fan. Face it, Scottie Pippen at his best is far, FAR superior player than Odom. Scottie Pippen was a legitimate superstar in his prime...Lamar Odom at his best wasn't even good enough to be an all star and is a career role player.
@NBAGOATS Nah, sorry dude...you are an idiot. No way Odom is better than Scottie. Scottie is a no doubt hall of famer and Odom is definitely not a hall of famer. Simple as that.
@NBAGOATS How can someone goes from being a welder to a gym manager to top 5 NBA draft pick get traded to play with a young star an upcoming superstar in Michael Jordan be known as weak mentally and physically.The man had a desire to succeed and make it to the nba as a young boy,when he made it he did whatever he needed to do to improve playing ball even way after practices of the bulls team with Mike.How many teammates had IT like mike had It just one,from MJ mouth Pip made me the best player.
@dpistons149@dpistons149 You have lost your fucking mind bro. Are you fucking serious? With all due respect to Lamar Odom..Scottie Pippen was the MVP of the league the year Mike left you cluck! Wtf are you saying? The Bulls team might have made it to the finals if it wasn't for a bunk ass call the year after Mike retired. He was the MVP!!! Lamar Odom has never even been discussed in MVP talks. Before you make some stupid ass comments just know what you are saying.
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Every champ team needs one help player. It's true but also you can't win any title without Jabbar, without Machale, without Kobe or Shaq, without Gasol, without Joe Dumars or Rodman, without KG or Ray, without Drexler or Dream.. the list will go on.
And T-Mac, you win no playoffs series, what do you know about win a champ?
@SkipyOnline You're right...To me he's the best to ever play the game...he just hid in jordans shadow. when jordan left u saw the real pippen...imagine if he was somebody like jordan who liked the spotlight? he'd be amazing beyond words, no one could pass him in our generation. and the little that he did he influenced kobe, tmac, vince carter with the jumping over people and dunking etc. humble.
@djfine100 hey man, Pippen is not the man like Jordan or Kobe, he is not so aggressive, and not that ambitious.
Come on, if a man don't even want to under spitlight, how could he be a leader? Pippen is skilled, aggressive defender, great offense player, all around player, I don't deny, his dunk in game is one of the best in history.
But hey man you can't imagine he has another personality. If you have a mind like Donald Trump, you can be another Donald Trump. It's all about a man's mind!
@SkipyOnline nothing really. scottie was great and all but jordan the best player of all time, did have some supporting cast besides pippen who would probably disagree with you. there were always other key players who stepped up. without pippen they still were a better team then utah, san antonio. whoever.plus with that empty spot in the roster by pippens absence there wouldve been another player to fill the spot. who knows who that wouldve been and how he wouldve done.
@dpistons149 You have lost your fucking mind bro. Are you fucking serious? With all due respect to Lamar Odom..Scottie Pippen was the MVP of the league the year Mike left you cluck! Wtf are you saying? The Bulls team might have made it to the finals if it wasn't for a bunk ass call the year after Mike retired. He was the MVP!!! Lamar Odom has never even been discussed in MVP talks. Before you make some stupid ass comments just know what you are saying.
@Gibster777 Stfu retard .When Pippen came into the league he was soft and no better than Odom.If Jordan hadnt taken him under his wing he wouldnt be the player he was in the 90s.
@Gibster777 If pippen never played with Jordan do u really think he would be as good as he was in 1994.NOO He wouldnt u dumbfuck.He learned so much from jordan and even said that at his hall of fame speech. Try and understand people comments before u make a ass out of yourself.
@dpistons149 I say yes look at scottie career way back in high school the man had destiny how many other players played with jordan and none was as great a player as scottie without scottie, jordan would of been allen iverson, no other teamnate to raise the bar of competition the way scottie did for michael.even michael said scottie was one of two players that played him great defesively.michael on offense on game days was to easy on everyone defense because he had the best defense in practice.
@dpistons149 LOL you are an idiot! LMAO I am born and raised in Chicago. Michael Jordan is by and far the greatest player to ever play the game, you moron! Of course he makes those around him better..but you are an idiot if you think the Bulls would have 3 peaked without Scottie. How many Bulls games have you watched, dimwit? Don't question what I am saying about the Bulls. Don't say Scottie learned from Jordan. Great players learn from everyone. Comparing Scottie to Lamar? Lol, please stop.
@Gibster777 lol I dont give a shit where you are from or how much basketball knowledge you think you have!!!Scottie pippen at the start of his career was soft and not player he was in the 90s.Pippen would be a very good player if he never played with Jordan but not a hall of famer.Jordan made Pippen a much better player than he ever would have been.
@Gibster777 lol ur so full of shit man.You probably never even saw Jordan play with the bulls live.In my opinion pippen would have been a good player without MJ,but he wouldnt have been a hall of famer.So you shut ur mouth Gibster77,thats my opinion deal with it.
Removing Pippen from the team removes your best defensive player, THE PG FROM YOUR TEAM...as ran the offense, and a 20pt player. Really in 94 when they won 55 games compared to 57 in 93 they could have actually won more if Pippen didn't miss 10 games at the beginning of that 94 season (which they went 4-6 in). Though in 93 a lot of people don't know but Pippen played that entire season with a serious ankle injury. Thats why his stats and efficiency went down from 92.
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Im all for the jordan pippen duo... but jordan could have won without pip!!! maybe not 6 but he still would have got some... There were still ample scoring options for him to get by!!! Tracy says pip took them to 2nd round!! Meaning switch out pip with MJ and they got a shot in the finals!!!
It was an MJ and Pippen show. Those in Chi know that. When it came down to contracts MJ stood up for Scottie and Phil.He said no Scottie no Phil No MJ nooo money for Riensdorf...What happened? more rings baby more rings. Greatest tandem ever
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Not only is T Mac right, but people forget that for about 4-5 years during the early/mid/ 90's Pippen was the best "all around" basketball player in the NBA, even when compared to Jordan. Mike no doubt had the better body of work in the long run and was certainly a better scorer, but Scottie was the best overall during that period. Anybody that doesnt believe that didn't follow basketball during that period
finally somebody said it dont get me wrong i love jordan to death he is the greatest but scottie was the glue to that bulls team he held all the pieces together their wouldnt be 6 championships in da chi if scottie wasnt on that team
people just dont realize scotties greatness. Scottie the way the small foward position was drated. Everybody had to have a small foward in the image of scottie.
actually jordan made pippen to be his dream teammate to have, a teammate who can guard, block, assist, drive, create plays etc.. Pippen is more all-around than jordan too
Devega33 3 months ago
@Devega33
come on my dude you know pippen WAS NOT a more complete player than JORDAN. MJ won the defensive player of the year award AND the scoring title in the same year! how much more complete can you get than that?
ndogg1337 2 months ago
fact is, if theres no mj theres no scottie.. mj pushed pippen and helped shape him a lot..
joblagz 4 months ago
When MJ left in 93 the team acquired Kukoc. Bulls lost MJ but they got a 6'11" forward. They were pretty good w/o MJ. But if MJ stayed and Pippen left they could have won the championship with Kukoc taking Scottie's place.
23fann 5 months ago
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Elgin22Baylor 4 months ago
@23fann Normally I don't comment on this kind of stuff, but you're wrong. Toni might have been able to replace 80% of what Pippen brought to the table offensively, but Pip's greatest contributions were arguably on the defensive end. He was the best help and one-on-one defender the Bulls had, and having Pippen allowed Jordan to focus on scoring. Kukoc's lead Chicago to the East's worst record in his lone season as the team's best player. Toni Kukoc wasn't half the player that Scottie Pippen was.
Elgin22Baylor 4 months ago
@Elgin22Baylor You're right, Pippen was a better player than Kukoc defensively. But the Bulls could have still won it all with what they had. Mj could have adjusted to the situation and figured out a way to win. Pippen's numbers were not that great in the playoffs and MJ was the best one on one defender on that team not Pippen. Pippen might have been more effective against bigger guys but against quicker players MJ was far more effective. .
23fann 4 months ago
people keep talking if pip was never on the bulls they wouldnt of won...there is no way to know cuz if pip wasnt on the bulls that means they would of had to get another player to replace him and who knows maybe that teams would have had success...u just cant take a player off a team for argument sake and say they wouldnt win cuz u can do dat with most players even role players..take kobe off da lakers and they dont win da title last year but da same can b said 4 gasol,bynum,odom,fisher
CHITOWN1987 8 months ago
if t-mac was never injured..he will b the best in the game today..and i love lebron..so stfu and understand what he is trying to say..he knos more basketball than any1 commenting on this video.
slikplaya 8 months ago
t-who??? XD
chris06g 8 months ago
T-Mac had Yao and they still sucked.
jungle10ful 8 months ago
T-Mac evidently understands the game.
upabittoolate 9 months ago
100% agree with T-Mac
Loudmouf84 9 months ago 2
"man no man.....NOO......NOOOO"
gotta love him
kobebballin 9 months ago
Pippen is who came in...when he started rolling so did the team...he was the piece they needed...remember basketball is a TEAM sport Jordan was not the Bulls neither was Pippen but together they were the BEST duo in the NBA along with Stockton/Malone
cUnNyrYdAh 9 months ago
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NBAGOATS 6 months ago
and we see how much tmac knows about winning
tommybrown187 11 months ago
If someone asks me to choose an ideal all time starting 5 I always choose MJ and Scottie. Because I can't imagine them not together
Bubu990 1 year ago
@Bubu990 yo player my starting five would be Michael Jordan,Scottie Pippen,Dennis Rodman Reggie Miller and Hakeem Olajuwon....show me what you got,,,in my opinion my five will destroy any five ever that can be assemble.
Trinimanfreddy 4 months ago
@Trinimanfreddy mine 'd be Magic - MJ - Scottie - Duncan - Olajuwon ....not so different
Bubu990 4 months ago
Yes Jordan made Pippen a better player, but the Bulls would not have won anything if it was just MJ and there was no Pippen.....just look @ the first 5-6 years of MJ's career.
SFO14 1 year ago
@SFO14 pip made jordan a better player as well...... fact.
BAE51C 11 months ago
@BAE51C In a different way...MJ pushed Pip to be the best he could possibly be, Pip brought the leader out of MJ
SFO14 11 months ago
@BAE51C In a different way...MJ pushed Pip to be the best he could possibly be, Pip brought the leader out of MJ
SFO14 11 months ago
@SFO14 fair call.... lets just say together they were unstoppable.... and a real pleasure to watch for all bball fans around the world.... as a bball fan i feel fortunate to have watched some of those games in high school, when i understood the game a little better, and now i appriciate what they did..... the how that they put on...
BAE51C 11 months ago
@BAE51C very true....I'd say they're the reason I got into basketball in the first place. I was in 7th grade @ the beginning of the 1st 3peat and got to watch them throughout the 90's, fun time for basketball. I miss 90's bball
SFO14 11 months ago
@SFO14 not just the fun time, 90's was the best time. Bulls to me then was the perfect team. you got the Jordan, and Pippen duo, and if that wasnt enough, you also had the most entertaining man in the NBA, Dennis Rodman. its the time when air jordan's came out, basketball was everywhere.. space jam.. just glad to witness all of that.
missionpupa 8 months ago
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NBAGOATS 6 months ago
smart t-mac is smart
MagicGonza91 1 year ago
without SCOTTIE
Gr4ee2nCr0ak 1 year ago
scottie pippen is like lamar odon in l.a
oOoPlayCeeoOo 1 year ago
forget d.wade, forget kevin durant or cp3... forget everybody that u know is or atleast was highly underrated, Scottie Pippen was the most underrated player everr in the historyof basketball
MiamiWadeCounty1 1 year ago 2
Of course Jordan wouldn't have won without Scottie just like Kobe wouldn't have won without Shaq or wouldn't have won without Gasol. Everybody needs another player to take the pressure off. That doesn't detract from their Greatness. Before Pippen was on the Bulls, Jordan was scoring 63 points on Boston and losing the game. Pippen was an unbelievable asset and I don't know of anybody sleeping on Scottie. Jordan and Pippen were the best duo in basketball.
truchampz 1 year ago
t mac was on his game that day take scottie off the bulls
GreatkingAlexander 1 year ago
MJ would never admit it directly because of pride, but he knows he would not have done it without Scottie, he just won't say it openly. At Pippen's jersey retirement in Chicago, Jordan said that Pippen pushed him in practice to be the best Michael Jordan like no one ever did before. I think Pippen and MJ brought out the best in one another... Let's see if Lebron and Wade can reproduce that this season.
Sputnik1in1957 1 year ago
I agree...on both counts...MJ without a DOUBT...the greatest ever...but...without Scottie...no rings...or at LEAST not six...maybe one...eventually...
maulman100 1 year ago
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Morczas 1 year ago
t-mac on weed :-)
Morczas 1 year ago 17
bulls cannot win the championship without pippen,enough said....................one player cannot win any chip,even though mj was batman,he needed robin.
lenny3717 1 year ago
@lenny3717
That's a gay analogy, Michael was Superman, Scottie was Batman, there, much better.
ArmandoXIII 1 year ago
@ArmandoXIII yow mi don,how the faggot thing drop in,i simply made a comment,and you are going to attach some form of gay connotation to it,mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,i wonder if ants is in your milk?anyway batman and robin work together,and so did jordan and pippen,not superman and batman ok,so just leave my analogy alone,and focus on the meaning of what i said,and never u ever u bring gay to my thing ok,i can only spell women,and i would prefer u say something about that,so we could chat.
lenny3717 1 year ago
@lenny3717
Superman and Batman work together all the time dumbass, and they are a great duo too. Your analogy is gay because Robin fucking sucks ass, Pippen was not a sidekick, he was a superhero on it's own, so shut the fuck up already.
ArmandoXIII 1 year ago
@ArmandoXIII u are fasinated with gays...... ok then,now i know where your alliance is,bossman u are getting upset like a bitch,come on mr.happyman,go easy,i said it already,i am saying it again,mj was batman,and pippen was robin,they work together in the batman sequel,not superman ok,and another thing was batman and robin your favourite super heroes growning up,or when u got big,u idolize someone from the sitcom Queer as folk?
lenny3717 1 year ago
Without Scottie, Mike doesn't win shit, who are these retards saying he wins championships without Scottie? T Mac got it right.
ArmandoXIII 1 year ago
@ArmandoXIII I think Michael fights his way to 1 or 2, but there's no effing way he does 2 three-peats without Scottie.
aidanday 1 year ago
Without Jordan there would be no Scottie. Jordan molded his game to help him win. Why can't people see that? Scottie didn't have a heart, desire or will before getting with Jordan. Jordan put that in Pip so that he could help him win. NO TEAM has ever won a title without a 1,2 punch. Period. So i don't see what the big deal is.
NBAGOATS 1 year ago
He's right. See the 91 Finals, where Jordan basically can't handle Magic in the post, and then they switch and put Scottie on him and then the series is done from that point on.
rashb 1 year ago
I love how Tracy is backing up Scottie Pippen but he leaves the Raptors and Vince Carter because he didnt want to be the Scottie Pippen and let Carter be the Jordan now look at both of them if he had stayed Raptors would've been champions 3 times by now and the great chemistry between them especially since their cousins they have the same grandma
celeb1011 1 year ago
@celeb1011 A few things on that. T-Mac had a right to not want to be second fiddle to Vince, as he is the more well rounded player and playmaker. Vince is awesome for 3 and half quarters and then just flat out sucks in the clutch. For that reason alone they would've never won 3 championships. Maybe had Grant Hill not gotten injured in his prime. He would've been likely to get 1 or 2 with him.
T-mac gets it right on this vid backing Pip.
rashb 1 year ago
@celeb1011 - They had Doug Christie on that team too - when he was in the prime of his career. Oh well.
listen2this 1 year ago
Being from Chicago and watched almost every game since the Jordan's arrival, I hate to say it, but Jordan would have won without Pippen. One reason! Jordan made every player around him look like a hall of famer. I think they could have put anyone who was in average player in the 80's & 90's in the small forward and Jordan would had made him great. 80 & 90's players would much more decipline than todays players. Kukoc would have been the piece in the later stages. Sorry, my opinion.
hushg2000 1 year ago
@hushg2000 Pippen was a great player
5javi5 1 year ago
People need to realize that yes Mj would not have won without Pip but at the same time, you could replace Pip with a few diffrent Stars in the league and got the same results.(ex. Malone, Olajuwan Shaq). Kinda like the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. I just dont think the same can be said for Pippen.
str8duval 1 year ago
@str8duval Further from the truth lol Duval...U need to do your research and stop flowing with the crowd. I can tell ur not educated on basketball or scottie pippen. Here's what you should do. Trace kobe bryant's, Tmac's, Vince Carter, Lebron James' careers and tell me what you come up with. Those guys all looked up to pip. Hence Tmac's Video. Listen look for Scottie Pippen's power and grace, ultimate defender but most importantly look for his retirement ceremony.
djfine100 1 year ago
@djfine100 Actually I'v followed Pips whole career and all those players you just named looked up to Jordan as well so whats your point. And TMAC says in this Video that Mj is goat.
str8duval 1 year ago
@str8duval Look also on Jordans induction speech he admitted it himself even in his tribute to pippen. also on youtube look for washington wizards vs portland trailblazers...pippen vs jordan for the first time. Pip owned jordan. they won by 20 points. Pippen was the glue that held the bulls together and all the other teams. He led the bulls without jordan to east finals game 7 and the ref also said he shouldnt have made the call he made that would have sent them to the finals yrs later.
djfine100 1 year ago
@djfine100 MJ admited the obvous that he needed Pippen to win. Everyone needs . He in no way said Pip was better. Also Pippen had much better team when they met and Mj was near 40. Your not useing that as proof are you? And Bulls lost in the second round not the ECF. Do your reserch..
str8duval 1 year ago
@str8duval Pip also led the blazers to game 7 of the west finals and lost by 5 to the lakers because shaq was dominating the paint. reason being they were up by 16 and sabonis fouled out and shaq handled the mis match. While that was going on jordan didnt even make the playoffs with the wizards. wizards fired jordan! Also before pip on the bulls jordan and the bulls got swept every yr by the pistons. Pips stats are better than jordans in bulls history as well leading the way with most 3s made
djfine100 1 year ago
@djfine100 Put any 40yr old on a team full of scrubs and yound guy that will happen ever time. No one really expected much from the Wiz anyway. I understand Pip is your boy and all but u really should do some research. the Bull were never swept by the Pistons, Pippen does not have better over all stats then Mj and MJ's impacted on a team is much greater. sorry
str8duval 1 year ago
@str8duval and pip used to shoot 3s from anywhere on the court even over half court thats why lebron and bryant shoot threes that long now. Phil said he was the ball handler for the bulls and made jordan and the team look good. he also played sg, sf and pg a role player while jordan was only a sg. He looks better playing too better skills he was just humble. but we could argue this all day...just watch the videos. Thanks
djfine100 1 year ago
@djfine100 And Mj didnt shoot from all over. lol.. you have learn how b ball works to understand. The Bulls never really had a true playmaker at the pg position. Paxon, BJ, and Kerr were bascally jump shooters. The best play makers where MJ and Pip. MJ was the the first option(and maybe the second too) to score so it only made sence to have Pip handle the ball alot. Also MJ played the pg full time in i belive in 88 for half a season as well as small forward on the Wiz.
str8duval 1 year ago
Everyone knows that, MJ himself said it, Scottie's said it, it's clearly understood that Mike would have never won a championship if he didn't have another legit great player next to him. No one has ever won a championship by themselves with scrubs and no one ever will, there's just too much talent in teams for one talented guy to beat them all in 7-game series.
Scottie's a top 50 player of all-time and, in my eyes, the best defensive perimeter player ever, plus Chicago had good role players.
XxSayrosxX 1 year ago
ofcourse he wouldnt have won without pippen. That makes no sense. Thats like saying shaq would have won withou kobe, or magic without kareem, or isiah without lambeer. You cant have a great team without a proper supporting cast. But not to confuse the issue, Scottie was great. Top 15 player of all time.
saroshk7784 1 year ago
without pippen who is gonna guard the heavy scorers or pgs??...damn sure jordan wasnt guard gary payton mark jackson shawn kemp derek harper penny hardaway tim hardaway without pippen jordan kouldnt do it...pippen almost did it without jordan got snubbed n da second round and still didnt get mvp of the league wtf??
TimothyE 1 year ago
@TimothyE You're Right Timothy Pippen did do all the dirty work and made Jordan look good and with his assists he made Jordan score alot of points. I agree Jordans scoring looks good on paper but in reality Pippen is a much better player. Look at this Vid. Pippen vs Jordan in the Washington Wizards vs Portland T. Blazers Game.
djfine100 1 year ago
I agree. It is a team game and Jordan could not do it alone. Jordan had (at one point) Craig Hodges, John Paxson, and Steve Kerr, three of the best three point shooters ever. He also had 3 centers that were not great, but could play their part and fill the middle. Also, he had Scottie Pippen! Scottie was an All Star and on the defensive team. Not to mention there was Rodman at one point, best rebounder. And a good power Forward in Grant. It's a team game
AnthonyGF 1 year ago
jordan is the greatest of all time, but without pippen, they won't make it. this thing goes to all NBA champions teams, none of them had only 1superstar, they all had 2 or more.
RanKarat 1 year ago
Jordan was the greatest of all time...but Scottie Pippen, in my opinion, was one of the greatest also...I don't know if the Bulls would've lost without Scottie, but I woouldn't be surprised if they had.
WorldOfSnakes 1 year ago
People notice and value a good player majorly by his ability to finish a play. When he finishes beautifully, and does spectacular finishes, people start remember him and then he becomes great and then the greatest. But in my opinion, people don't value enough those who allow for those great finishes to happen. For a player like Jordan to finish with a slam dunk, he needed someone to open up the way for him...he needed someone to keep the defenders off his back and out of his way...
WorldOfSnakes 1 year ago
Kobe bryant looked up to pippen hence his hairstyles and number in high school (number 33). bryant now if u watch him closely he has pippens style but he cant convert much of what he wants to because he doesnt have the height. bryants skills r much like pippens and even now he is starting to play like pippen in his career facilitating and getting the team involved sharing the ball. also take a look at the portland trailblazers vs lakers 2000 playoffs games 4 - 7 in particular. Thanks
djfine100 1 year ago
Kobe himself said he loved Magic the fav player, but he learn the most from Jordan because they are similar.
And Kobe also Penny's fan. I don't know about Scottie, I don't think they have any connection. I only know Pippen argue with Mark Jackson about Kobe or Jordan who is the greatest.
fifa1688 1 year ago
@fifa1688 Watch Kobe closely, he copies pippen even with his wife lol Kobe said magic is his fav. player but he doesnt like him...He said that because if you look at an earlier interview pippen said magic was his fav player....But pippen is bryants fav...U just have to study the two. watch pippen's and bryants interviews the raising of the eyebrows the licking of the lips, the calm composure and the dribbling especially. watch pippens vids..power and grace and ultimate defender.
djfine100 1 year ago
@fifa1688 retirement cer. phila and everybody said pip is the greatest. he made jordan looked good...watch this clip fifa...wizards vs trailblazers (trailblazers went to the west finals game 7 with pip wizards didnt...in this clip jordan playng against pip for the first time...blazers won by 20...pip man handled jordan. watch
djfine100 1 year ago
Continued: And at that time jordan got fired from the wizards of course like his old bulls didnt get very far now did he? Jordan credits pippen for the wins in his inductioon speech and he had no choice. pippen is an all round player best in the game and defender. He was complete jordan wasnt. pippen did all the background work and made jordan look good. his stats are all round jordan was known for his scoring courtesy of scottie pippen.
djfine100 1 year ago
Pippen also benefited from MJ. MJ left Bulls for one season, the Bulls went down to a team had less than 50% winning rate. Pippen also admitted in interview that he was under pressure and he though he was much more comfortable when he was second rule not the leader, and he wanted Jordan back.
Pippen an all around player because he could defend taller player. But MJ was the most effecient player of history, not only a scorer.
fifa1688 1 year ago
Hey T-Mac, watch scottie pippen's retirement ceremony, scottie pippen power and grace and ultimate defender. also washington wizards vs portland trail blazers scottie vs michael. Pippen to me is the greatest player to ever play the game...Led the bulls to 6 nba championships and jordan got the credit. remember before pippen jordan and the bulls got swept every yr by the pistons. pippen without jordan led the bulls to game 7 of the east finals and game 7 (portland t.blazers) against the lakers.
djfine100 1 year ago
I love Pippen, but MJ still the leader, the ship will eventually lost direction if it doesn't have a leader. Also Mj was a player can score in any situation but Pippen couldn't. Pippen was great but he was suitable for a second player for sure. You can't say the team can without the leader but can't win without second player. The truth is any champ need a complete team. And no champ can win a title without a strong leader, Jordan was the strong leader. Pip a great player but not a leader.
fifa1688 1 year ago
By the way, it's not fair most credits for the leader, but it is normal that most credits goes for the leader.
It doesn't mean a champ team can win with only one super star, it only means that the leader, the motivation of any champ team, indeed gets most credits. It's not strange at all because if you don't have a man with strong will to win and great skills to convince teammates, then you get no rings in any good sports league.
Pip is great player but thats not enough to lead a team.
fifa1688 1 year ago
You just listen to what T-Mac says, this guy talk nothing about leadership, nothing about the desire to win. If you listen what Jordan or Kobe talk, they always show ambition and agression that T-Mac will never have. Thats the difference between a great player and a normal start player.
Pippen is between a great player and a star. He is aggressive, but his aggresion and ambition couldn't last without a leader. Thats the reason Pippen needs Michael Jordan.
fifa1688 1 year ago
And the reason MJ needs Pip is so simple. It's just like you want to success in a business you need to have many helper. A champ team need many support, but all surround the center, the leader. Without a great leader, a team will be a race car with no enough oil, will stop in the road eventually.
A strong leader can attract good players, just watch how Kobe win, he looks lucky he got Gasol and Phil, but only winner attract winner, a winner is a man most desirable to win!
fifa1688 1 year ago
@fifa1688 Watch Pippen Ultimate defender...pippen according to phil and jordan was a luxury. he is a one man wrecking crew. bryant confessed that defense wins games and thats what pip had along with the skills his skills are superior to jordans. But besides the offense he brought the bulls won because of his defense on the big players like magic, mark jackson etc. u have to do ur research and ull come up with the answers.
djfine100 1 year ago
@fifa1688 All the hype that was on jordan was because he came into the league with acrobatic dr j skills and they were amazed at the rookie. and when big players came like pip and rodman, paxon etc they focused on jordan more when they were winning. jordan was a role player...pippen did the back ground work like pg, sg steals outside shooting he holds the record in bulls history with most three pointers made but yet jordan was the offensive player. please lol
djfine100 1 year ago
Kobe also had 30 ppg when he was with Shaq. Pippen had 22 ppg in his best season. No proof shows Pip is the same good offense player with Jordan.
I like Pippen a lot before, stop hype Pip let me don't like him.
MJ was a role player? It's simply no sense, anyone can say it's a lie.
fifa1688 1 year ago
@fifa1688 pippen did that but look at the other categories he filled across the board n he played d night in and out ...jordan and phil said it themselfs pippen kan score 30 a game if he wanted to but he rather get his team involved and do other things besides score...wit and without shaq did kobe lead his teams in i think it was 6 or 7 major catagories on his team and still take em to da playoffs kobe barely took his team to da 8th seed after shaq left pippen had 50+ win and playoff 2nd rd
TimothyE 1 year ago
yeah, Pippen did great job after MJ left. At that point, he is a better team player and leader than Kobe Bryant.
But Lakers needed to rebuild themselves after Shaq left, and bulls didn't need to. They were still a great team, and they played together for years.
Bulls in 1993 didn't have good record(only 57 wins), but they did better than 1992 in playoffs. If MJ never left, I bet Bulls could still have 62+ wins in 1994 and won another ring.
fifa1688 1 year ago
@fifa1688 wat did they have to rebuild they lost shaq n maybe one or two others and im sorry but 57 wins after loosing the best player in the nba is still pretty good to me
TimothyE 1 year ago
yeah but not 57 wins in 1994. also 1995 is different story, and then MJ came back, improved the Bulls in that season. Lakers did need rebuild, and they didn't have Phil Jackson in that season.
fifa1688 1 year ago
@djfine100 jordan wasnt a role player but pippen did do all the dirty werk and background shit that jordan kouldnt do...pippen defense was superb and his passing was better than jordan overall jordan had the points but im sorry if u gave pippen dat many shots im pretty sure he average more a game....plus pippen was humble...my eye pippen was a better player overall but in the books jordan was a better scorer but if u really watched the games and basketball itself u see pippen was a better player
TimothyE 1 year ago
@djfine100 that couldnt be further from the truth. Pip is great no doubt but in no way was he ever on MJ's level.
str8duval 1 year ago
pippen got short changed that year w/out michael and really thought he could've won the following year if mj didn't come back. but watev...i'm w t-mac. pippen is dope and mj couldn't do it w/out him
21bbc 1 year ago
MJ maybe couldn't win without Pippen, but could Magic win without Jabbar or Worthy? Could Bird win without Mchale? Could Olajuwon win without Drexler? Could Shaq win without Kobe? Could Kobe win without Gasol?
Come on! It's a stupid comment!! What kind of player can win without support? You tell me?
Only if the league sucks, then a team can win a ring with only one super star!
You guys talk about no sense.
fifa1688 1 year ago
@fifa1688 you're such a puppet. Essentially you're saying that a team needs two superstars to win? Let's go back to the 2004 Summer Olympics, where the U.S. lost in the semi-finals to Argentina.
Argentina superstar: Manu Ginobili
United States superstars:
Tim Duncan, Lamar Odom, Emeka Okafor, Carmelo Anthony, Carlos Boozer, Richard Jefferson,Shawn Marion, Amar'e Stoudemire, LeBron James, Allen Iverson, Stephon Marbury, Dwyane Wade.
HA!
21bbc 1 year ago
did I ever say a team need 2 super star to win? I only said a team need not only one super star, the team must be complete enough to win a ring.
USA lost because the league went down since 1998, there's no doubt the NBA is not so invicible anymore.
I typed so many words, and you still misunderstood, it's your attitude problem. It's not so hard to understand.
fifa1688 1 year ago
without Jordan The Bulls Won 55 games and lost in the Eastern Conference Finals... Scottie won All Star Game MVP, And was second in regular season MVP voting...
Scottie = Gasol
Kobe Is Great And All, But U Seen Homie Without Gasol...
LaReyAfro 1 year ago
Back to the whole MJ couldn't have won one w/out Pippen, his second three-peat team w/ Ron Harper (avereaged over 20ppg multiple times in his carrer), Dennis Rodman (pound for pound the greatest rebounder of all time), Toni Kukoc (first European player to show that type of skill), and big bodies like Luke and co. plus they had one of my favorite spot of shooters, Steve Kerr, although I'd take Paxson over Kerr anyday.
larrybird3323 1 year ago
We can only speculate what players MJ would have had around him if Scottie wasn't there. I still feel that Jordan would have squeezed out a title or two even without Pip. The guy rules his era. I like this vid b/c T-Mac is sticking up for Scottie who his almost the exact same player as himself. Durant, McGrady, Pippen, all 6'7" - 6'9" can shoot, defend (still waiting Durant), have handles, rebounds, great passers....
larrybird3323 1 year ago
T-Mac is not all right. MJ and Scottie can be liken to a piece of cake with icing. Michael Jordan is the cake while Scottie is the icing. You can eat either one of the two separately but taste perfectly when eaten together. Take away the icing, the cake would still be perfect and satisfy you. Take away the cake, icing will only give you momentary sweetness but will never feed you. Team needs cake more than the icing. Sorry folks I am eating cake as of this moment, LOL.
mjdbest 1 year ago
Micheal Jordan is definitely the greatest of all time but Pippen is probably the best fit for a team player of all time. Pippen would fit in well with any team in his prime. Same could not said for Jordan, it would be like having Melo and AI together it doesn't really work but, Pippen would work because it would be like having Billups and Kenyon Martin in one package playing with Melo. On certain teams Jordan would not be able to meet his full potential but Pippen can on any team.
wontontonton 1 year ago
@wontontonton
WELL SAID!
I don't think that people understand that MJ's style of play would not fit anywhere, and he was fortunate to have a player like Pippen who could be dominant without having to shoot 20 times a game. I would just like to quote Bulls asst. coach, Tex Winter... "It's often said Jordan needed Pippen and Pippen needed Jordan. I'm not sure Jordan didn't need Pippen more than Pippen needed Jordan."
professorlip 1 year ago
i agree,michael is the best player of all time no doubt but he the bulls would not do it withouth scottie who in my opinion is the 2nd best all round player of all time.
kane0406 1 year ago
Magic johnson said in an interview one time "It takes two stars to win a championship". I think that says it all
kc718201 1 year ago
Thats true if you take Pippen off and Rodman Jordan wouldint be wat he is today is the best player ever but the bulls dont get enough credit for putting Micheal on the Map like that!!
MrBigmike801 1 year ago
i like how t-mac speaks his mind
jasel29 1 year ago
You take Mcgrady off any team they will get out the first round.
dldowell1122 1 year ago
The Bulls would still have won a ring witout Scottie, maybe not six but they still would have won. Phil Jackson has won 10 rings. He would have coached them to one even without Pippen.
joeyd430 1 year ago
im sick of all this fake mj fans talkin about mj winning by himself that's bullshit they dont know nothin and i doubt they actually saw him play, basketball is a team game
8cali94 1 year ago 9
big ups tmac atleast your with me
NooneEverReallyDiez 1 year ago 4
Jordan without Pippen is like no kool aid and sugar :*(
biggirlfromnyc 2 years ago 6
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biggirlfromnyc 2 years ago
T, you are 100% right...not very eloquent, but right.
davidjaames 2 years ago
That's right, don' take scottie off the bulls.
when mj left the bulls, scottie took over and they won 55 games but ended only to second round. but when MJ returned to the game, they were the champion again.
Mj is a champion caliber type.
tmz888 2 years ago
T Mac should have stayed with the Raptors to see what kind of duo he and VC could have made, might have been equal to Jordan and Pippen. Back in those days before he left for Orlando, he played madd defense, Scottie Pippen like defense. He took the pressure off VC and VC would have taken the pressure off him if he stayed. I live in Toronto, so I was fortunate to watch all the games via cable, and I honestly thought the Raptors had something special in both of them.
2Greezy2Envy 2 years ago 2
Anyone that says those Bulls teams win without Pip don't know dick about Ball. Scottie was the most versatile defender of his generation, and took so much pressure off MJ, he was their point forward and primary ball handler, there is NO Bulls dynasty without Pip...period!
jubesjr 2 years ago 9
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there is no Bulls dynasty without MJ!
Domini478 2 years ago
And there is no Bulls dynasty or even one champion without Michael Jordan.
The team spent 3 or 4 years to make it complete, if you took any start player from it and no other player can fit the hole, then it surely will weaken.
It's not about Pippen, it's about a team, if the Bulls was built around Pippen not MJ, then it would never be a champ team because Pip was not the guy in the center, not the most ambitious player at all!
fifa1688 1 year ago
@jubesjr take jordan away from pippen u have a lamar odom who plays better defense
dpistons149 1 year ago
@dpistons149
Scottie Pippen was a way better player than Odom ever was, you don't now what you are talking about.
BarstoolBlues33 1 year ago 18
@BarstoolBlues33 Scottie was a way better player than Odom EVER was? Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Scottie was weak both mentally and physically coming onto the Bulls. Odom was more productive his first 2 years in the league. Jordan influence Scottie and helped change his mentality and his game to make him competitive. Without Jordan, Scottie Pippen as we know him wouldn't have existed. He would have been just another guy laughing and giggling on a team.
NBAGOATS 6 months ago
@NBAGOATS
Oh you're one of those, Michael Jordan Made Scottie Pippen people. One of those that believes Pippen had no drive and motivation...yeah walking on to Central Arkansas as the ball boy and coming out of college as the 5th pick...yeah he wasn't motivated. Also everyone has someone that helps them along. Moses Malone was the one who instilled Barkley with a bit of work ethic...did he make him now to? I'm so tired of this horse shit. You're obviously a Laker fanboy too by your page.
BarstoolBlues33 6 months ago
@NBAGOATS
Because only a fool would basically bring up a players two first seasons to prove to someone else that...well he had a better first two seasons, so he wasn't better then he EVER was...lol why even take the time to argue that? Because you are a laker fan. Face it, Scottie Pippen at his best is far, FAR superior player than Odom. Scottie Pippen was a legitimate superstar in his prime...Lamar Odom at his best wasn't even good enough to be an all star and is a career role player.
BarstoolBlues33 6 months ago
@NBAGOATS Nah, sorry dude...you are an idiot. No way Odom is better than Scottie. Scottie is a no doubt hall of famer and Odom is definitely not a hall of famer. Simple as that.
thegrudge 4 months ago
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NBAGOATS 4 months ago
@thegrudge Pippen is a HOF player because of MJ. Simple as that.
NBAGOATS 4 months ago
@NBAGOATS How can someone goes from being a welder to a gym manager to top 5 NBA draft pick get traded to play with a young star an upcoming superstar in Michael Jordan be known as weak mentally and physically.The man had a desire to succeed and make it to the nba as a young boy,when he made it he did whatever he needed to do to improve playing ball even way after practices of the bulls team with Mike.How many teammates had IT like mike had It just one,from MJ mouth Pip made me the best player.
Trinimanfreddy 4 months ago
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@dpistons149 @dpistons149 You have lost your fucking mind bro. Are you fucking serious? With all due respect to Lamar Odom..Scottie Pippen was the MVP of the league the year Mike left you cluck! Wtf are you saying? The Bulls team might have made it to the finals if it wasn't for a bunk ass call the year after Mike retired. He was the MVP!!! Lamar Odom has never even been discussed in MVP talks. Before you make some stupid ass comments just know what you are saying.
Gibster777 1 year ago
Take pippen away from the bulls & Jordan wins NOTHING..Sorry but it's the truth.Scotties been short changed on credit for yrs!!!
SkipyOnline 2 years ago 28
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Domini478 2 years ago
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Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Domini478 2 years ago
@SkipyOnline Pippen was a key-factor!
Imiskoubria 1 year ago
Every champ team needs one help player. It's true but also you can't win any title without Jabbar, without Machale, without Kobe or Shaq, without Gasol, without Joe Dumars or Rodman, without KG or Ray, without Drexler or Dream.. the list will go on.
And T-Mac, you win no playoffs series, what do you know about win a champ?
fifa1688 1 year ago
@SkipyOnline You're right...To me he's the best to ever play the game...he just hid in jordans shadow. when jordan left u saw the real pippen...imagine if he was somebody like jordan who liked the spotlight? he'd be amazing beyond words, no one could pass him in our generation. and the little that he did he influenced kobe, tmac, vince carter with the jumping over people and dunking etc. humble.
djfine100 1 year ago
@djfine100 hey man, Pippen is not the man like Jordan or Kobe, he is not so aggressive, and not that ambitious.
Come on, if a man don't even want to under spitlight, how could he be a leader? Pippen is skilled, aggressive defender, great offense player, all around player, I don't deny, his dunk in game is one of the best in history.
But hey man you can't imagine he has another personality. If you have a mind like Donald Trump, you can be another Donald Trump. It's all about a man's mind!
fifa1688 1 year ago
@SkipyOnline nothing really. scottie was great and all but jordan the best player of all time, did have some supporting cast besides pippen who would probably disagree with you. there were always other key players who stepped up. without pippen they still were a better team then utah, san antonio. whoever.plus with that empty spot in the roster by pippens absence there wouldve been another player to fill the spot. who knows who that wouldve been and how he wouldve done.
blazedstranger 1 year ago
@SkipyOnline lol take jordan away from pippen u have a lamar odom who plays better defense
dpistons149 1 year ago
@dpistons149 You have lost your fucking mind bro. Are you fucking serious? With all due respect to Lamar Odom..Scottie Pippen was the MVP of the league the year Mike left you cluck! Wtf are you saying? The Bulls team might have made it to the finals if it wasn't for a bunk ass call the year after Mike retired. He was the MVP!!! Lamar Odom has never even been discussed in MVP talks. Before you make some stupid ass comments just know what you are saying.
Gibster777 1 year ago
@Gibster777 Stfu retard .When Pippen came into the league he was soft and no better than Odom.If Jordan hadnt taken him under his wing he wouldnt be the player he was in the 90s.
dpistons149 1 year ago
@Gibster777 If pippen never played with Jordan do u really think he would be as good as he was in 1994.NOO He wouldnt u dumbfuck.He learned so much from jordan and even said that at his hall of fame speech. Try and understand people comments before u make a ass out of yourself.
dpistons149 1 year ago
@dpistons149 I say yes look at scottie career way back in high school the man had destiny how many other players played with jordan and none was as great a player as scottie without scottie, jordan would of been allen iverson, no other teamnate to raise the bar of competition the way scottie did for michael.even michael said scottie was one of two players that played him great defesively.michael on offense on game days was to easy on everyone defense because he had the best defense in practice.
Trinimanfreddy 10 months ago 5
@dpistons149 LOL you are an idiot! LMAO I am born and raised in Chicago. Michael Jordan is by and far the greatest player to ever play the game, you moron! Of course he makes those around him better..but you are an idiot if you think the Bulls would have 3 peaked without Scottie. How many Bulls games have you watched, dimwit? Don't question what I am saying about the Bulls. Don't say Scottie learned from Jordan. Great players learn from everyone. Comparing Scottie to Lamar? Lol, please stop.
Gibster777 4 months ago
@Gibster777 lol I dont give a shit where you are from or how much basketball knowledge you think you have!!!Scottie pippen at the start of his career was soft and not player he was in the 90s.Pippen would be a very good player if he never played with Jordan but not a hall of famer.Jordan made Pippen a much better player than he ever would have been.
dpistons149 3 months ago
@Gibster777 lol ur so full of shit man.You probably never even saw Jordan play with the bulls live.In my opinion pippen would have been a good player without MJ,but he wouldnt have been a hall of famer.So you shut ur mouth Gibster77,thats my opinion deal with it.
dpistons149 3 months ago
Removing Pippen from the team removes your best defensive player, THE PG FROM YOUR TEAM...as ran the offense, and a 20pt player. Really in 94 when they won 55 games compared to 57 in 93 they could have actually won more if Pippen didn't miss 10 games at the beginning of that 94 season (which they went 4-6 in). Though in 93 a lot of people don't know but Pippen played that entire season with a serious ankle injury. Thats why his stats and efficiency went down from 92.
smoke117 2 years ago 6
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smoke117 2 years ago
Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Domini478 2 years ago
Im all for the jordan pippen duo... but jordan could have won without pip!!! maybe not 6 but he still would have got some... There were still ample scoring options for him to get by!!! Tracy says pip took them to 2nd round!! Meaning switch out pip with MJ and they got a shot in the finals!!!
SuperSpeakonit 2 years ago
It was an MJ and Pippen show. Those in Chi know that. When it came down to contracts MJ stood up for Scottie and Phil.He said no Scottie no Phil No MJ nooo money for Riensdorf...What happened? more rings baby more rings. Greatest tandem ever
FilthyFletch 2 years ago 2
too bad phil was overrated.
thettruest 2 years ago
lemme say this..tmac's body is like pippen's, agility and size, he would have to stay healthy to get the rockets a ring.
ivanchunghk 2 years ago 2
AGree wit my boy
rpjac49 2 years ago
Every great team has multiple great players. No crap. Without Scottie, no 6 rings.
Look at the 80's 49ers..
Montana, Rice etc.
thesportsdude09 2 years ago 2
I'm a Larry fan myself, but I still think the best one two punch in basketball ever belongs to Pippen & Jordan.
A2THEANDREW23 2 years ago 2
I agree with everyone on here. I'm the biggest MJ fan, but without Pip there's no Bulls Dynasty.
mawriz 2 years ago 3
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Dude, Scottie had Phil that why he did good..without Phil, Scottie wasn't shit!!...avg 12 points a game! MJ was the best defender on the team with 9 all NBA defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year in 1988...there
Domini478 2 years ago
Not only is T Mac right, but people forget that for about 4-5 years during the early/mid/ 90's Pippen was the best "all around" basketball player in the NBA, even when compared to Jordan. Mike no doubt had the better body of work in the long run and was certainly a better scorer, but Scottie was the best overall during that period. Anybody that doesnt believe that didn't follow basketball during that period
robgilhan 2 years ago 6
noooo man noooo lol.
Blackie212 2 years ago 3
tmac even looks like scottie
NelleNelMusic 2 years ago 2
finally somebody said it dont get me wrong i love jordan to death he is the greatest but scottie was the glue to that bulls team he held all the pieces together their wouldnt be 6 championships in da chi if scottie wasnt on that team
tayenasty 2 years ago 2
its simple basketball just like any other sports but golf, is a team sports.
G00DFELLAZ 2 years ago
t mac is right about it, mj is the greatest , but take scottie out of bulls ,mj wouldnt have won 6 titles ,
kglin 2 years ago 6
So true! Scottie was the right-hand man that helped MJ become the King.
ksmall82 2 years ago 3
scottie is a HOF player of course mike would not have won as many championsips its a team sport
thereemix 2 years ago 4
people just dont realize scotties greatness. Scottie the way the small foward position was drated. Everybody had to have a small foward in the image of scottie.
tradeup1 2 years ago 3
T-Mac is a smart player..he knows it takes a team to win not a player.
JuniorShamonTelecast 2 years ago
i agree....MJ's the G.O.A.T but Scottie was the icing on the cake to that Bulls Team
bronbronface 2 years ago 2
either way, scottie and mj was the best 1,2 punch
ChrisSchwanrez 2 years ago 3
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happinessisgreat 2 years ago
It would have been too much even for the goat.
dmshoes 2 years ago
you take T-mac off the rockets and they go to the second round!
7witch 2 years ago 22
@7witch that's stupid, I accidentally voted up and I'm sorry for that because tmac is tryin the most to get to the seconf round of the po
LithuanianMC 1 year ago
@7witch and save $20million dollars.
wontontonton 1 year ago
@7witch they played the Portland Trailblazers.
If houston played the blazers in his prior attempts.. he would have DEFINITELY made it through to the second round.
If the Rockets without Tmac would have played the Utah Jazz.. they would have gotten their shit tossed. end of story.
xkrnxballarx 1 year ago