Why giving donations to the poor wont stop World hunger and poverty

[PvtPancake]

It doesn't matter what any of us try. If your not the top 1% you get fucked no matter what system they allow.

[SpamAnn]

@PvtPancake : not within an equal money system, since it wont have a 1% top

[SpamAnn]

@xlr8up : nothing has value or everything has. Value has many defenitions

[xlr8up]

@SpamAnn

Interesting point of view, sort of an "either or" perspective.

So how do you define value, personally, from your understanding of the word/concept/idea of the word?

[SpamAnn]

@xlr8up : life essence. And since everything is part of life, everything has the same "value". Value is what people place as "more" and since that sonly opinion, I say nothing is "more" or "less" thus everything has the same value, which removes value as an abusive judgement.

[xlr8up]

@SpamAnn

An insightful, if not observational perspective, I see the logic in your definition of Value and enjoy corresponding with elevated thinkers such as yourself.

You bring value to the conversation that forced me to think, ponder and reflect. :)

[Unistray208]

they create a useful product at a lower price then other competitors. Well, maybe not oftentimes, but not all rich people are rich from stealing from others. Just because the majority may do something does not give one the right to assume ALL do something.

I may just be a biased Republican from America, but these are my honest-to-goodness opinions (and I can't resist a good, FRIENDLY debate).

[SpamAnn]

@Unistray208 : every rich people is rich from stealing from others because the entire system is intereconnected. Thus all of us create poverty by supporting this curent money system. The real solution is to stop this system, and change it. We are working on an equal money system for this and eventually will go into politics. If you want to discuss, please visit desteni-money forums

[Unistray208]

There is definintly no excuse for the poverty that is occuring. What is needed is for everyone to band together and realize the worth of each individual person and at least give enough for one to be out of poverty.

Each person SHOULD have an equal oppurtinity - while in America this is (mostly) true, in some places it isn't.

I also believe that government is a necessary evil, and it is people themselves who should help ouy.

Also, rich people don't necessarily take from the poor - oftentimes-

[MrFloydc2]

very nice 

[VadessaGiant]

this video tugs shamelessly at heart strings but displays very poor understanding of how freemarket works, and of world history relating to hunger and poverty

[SpamAnn]

@VadessaGiant : how is that?

[GabrielZamoraMoreno]

@VadessaGiant

Free markets don't exist, and world history doesn't give any solutions to the problems we face currently - We say: Stop the detrimental story of Mankind through implementing an equal money system

[VadessaGiant]

@GabrielZamoraMoreno this so-called equal money system will be a nightmare that will make communism look like a child play, especially combined with the microchip implantation madness. technology always fails. how often has your computer crashed? how about viruses and bugs? no fucking way jose this shit ain't gonna wash, no matter how much you guys try to whitewash

the *utopian* alternative you guys offer will be a veritable nightmare

[SpamAnn]

@VadessaGiant : Our economic system already operates through machines and technology and computers. What you need is backup systems so when 1 falls out or crashes, the other takes over. Experts have to construct it in a way that it cant be abused. You only think it is utopian because your programed in this world. And this system does not want you to change. So you follow it.

[GabrielZamoraMoreno]

@VadessaGiant

The system will not be based on technology, but on people laboring and cooperating in equality to make sure everyone is equally supported - I can imagine that must be a real nightmare to someone who see themselves as superior to everyone

Why don't you offer a practical solution instead of hiding behind apparent wisdom

[j0nathanbs23]

The separation of government and economics will do wonders, or just totally obliterate government and leave economics. But equal money seems to want to fuse economics and government even tighter. Centralization doesn't work, never has. Please understand what capitalism is, American economics are fascist, the US gov subsidizes failed companies with stolen money(taxes) and then these companies in turn pay off politicians to get more stolen money. This is fascism not capitalism.

[SpamAnn]

@j0nathanbs23 : equal money is something completely different, we wont use gold, we wont use things that can "run empty", we dont use things that can create debt. So if you think about equal money, dont think about the dollars and euro's and stuff we have now, because it wont be the same. Centralization with administrations that do whats best for all, will work, because they wont have an agenda, they wont want more, or be better, they will do whats best for all.

[j0nathanbs23]

@SpamAnn The dollars and euros are fiat. No money system uses gold any longer. Your system doesn't create debt because you are not really using money in equal money, it is more like administered theft, and this is not something that is completely different. Please look to the works of people like Marx and Engels, even Jesus in the bible(Acts 2:42-45, 4:32-37, 5:4) preached things like you and desteni. This is not new at all.

[SpamAnn]

@j0nathanbs23 : nope, not theft, not money, not gold. We are working on it, not decided what will be used. You act like you know what we are talking about but you obviously dont, else you wouldnt even mention the word "theft" since it is totally not theft. i dont care if its new or not , I care for ideas that work and which will stop all abuse. system equality for all has never been used. Maybe on paper, not in actual living.

[j0nathanbs23]

@SpamAnn Lol quite the contrary, I think you have no idea what you talk of. My observations on your system is based on what is said on the destini site, I call things what they are, I don't manipulate language. Google a bit about history pertaining to the Plymouth colony and the way they governed themselves. It is one of many examples in history that shed light on how communal societies destroy production and cause starvation. The was equality ... in poverty.

[SpamAnn]

@j0nathanbs23 : research BIG, equal money income has been tested a few times and shown to be effective. What we are working on is a system where no one suffers, so also NOT that everyone suffers equaly together. The end of abuse and suffering. For all

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn wow,... I think you need to take a psychology 101 course. You seem oblivious to human behavior.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : then you should check some more of my videos

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn Your notions thus far sounds more like Utopian than realistic. It seems to be a slight variation of Zeitgeist's resource based economy. I believe they call it the "Venus Project." While it sounds wonderful, I just don't see how its workable.

I agree with your essence of your assertion,.... there is very little we can do to help anyone in poverty stricken nations. Many of them are wrong by selfish kleptomaniacs. I know I lived in Africa for two years. People really do not know!

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : it is very workable, read and research more about it and see for yourself. People let themselves be held back by thoughts such as "its utopian, it suonds to good to be true, it wont work" etc... thats what blocks creativity and movement. We can do something, start with immerging in the system so we can change it from the inside out, join us. it will take time

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn When I used the term, utopian, I am making a characterization, not an assumption its too good to be true. A utopian society can only exist if there is coercion. It always amazes me that though matter how many times this concept is used both large and small, it has never worked, but people still think that their way will work.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : we are not working on an utopian idea but things that can in reality be established. If they can set up and allow a fucked up system as it is now, then they sure could do it with the one we are proposing + it will stop many abuse and wont need to depend on it to exist. It will work.

[MrSentia]

@Pikestance Ann's Aware of "Love",& don't worry I'm working with her on other human behaviour too :D

[untunhud]

I think Karl Marx had some good ideas about how to deal with this situation.

[untunhud]

This is a great way to solve the problems of world poverty. By giving all your money to Desteni!

[SpamAnn]

@untunhud : no, then your going to starve, not have a home and not be able to direct yourself in this system.

[untunhud]

@SpamAnn

No that was silly of me. Better idea!: go to the desteni website and believe and do everything they say!

[SpamAnn]

@untunhud no thats stupid, and is the opposit of what desteni stands for

[fteoOpty64]

2.12 The current social pyramid system of elite, middle class, lower class works needs the quorum numbers in order to sustain. Yes, it has sustained itself for some time and is breaking due to overall dilution of quality-of-life of the non-elites and injustices seen all over the world.

To change the system, a large majority of middle and lower class people needs to be educated and be responsible. Now question: if only 50% of these people are responsible, will the new system work ?. I think not

[Shemassault]

We should take notice of this and open our eyes on what's going on. Recent tragedies in Haiti opened my eyes to that when celebrities and their cameras fled there to 'help' everyone where in fact it was an outlet for their popularity. Money do not solve all problems, education does.

[SpamAnn]

that why we are working on an equal money system where everyone gets monthly allowance to take care of ones bsic life needs such as food and shelter. This way no one can ever be abused through money because no one will have to do abusive or shitty jobs because of lack of money.

[SpamAnn]

join the forum where we ar ediscussing everything about it and seeing how we can start walking this effectivly in our lives and preparing ourselves with skills to influence the system

[RoterMax]

Great Video!!!!!!! Music, Pictures, Text ... everything matches!

Especially is as simple as possible and only as complicated as neccesary ... 5*

[Chrijz]

The negroes has to quit breeding like rats... many mouths to feed that way, expecting white people to feed them?! Even I (in Sweden) get extortioned into paying for them, "foreign aid", by the PC-government who takes my tax-money to feed these Africa-losers.

[SpamAnn]

People are products of their environment, and for a lot of poor people the only way to secure their future survival is through children. Also a lot of poor woman are raped. If you would be born in their shoes you would be them. The "white people" support the capitalistic system which CREATES poverty in the first way and thus CREATES a system where people will have to use means that are seen as abusive, to be able to sustain themselves.

use your brains, do some research

[leogirl777]

This children are innocent so it is not fair to call them losers. they have the same right as you and me and everyone else

[TheIdealist97]

It really bother how some people look at COMMUNISM in a narrow way, as sharing eggs and oranges. Communism is something beyond that; it's humanity based on altruistic attitudes, the willingness to give. COMMUNISM = SOCIAL JUSTICE. Please, whoever that would like to understand communism should read "THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO" which explain clearly the fundamental principle of communism (Ending Oppression), it's all about protecting the working class, the oppressed (The Proletariat).

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 And yet, Communist governments have been some of the most abusive governments that have ever existed. Communism is a beautiful theory, but it can never truly be implemented. I can't think of one instance in history when a communist government or organization has been anything but oppressive.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : this is not communism

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance Communist governments abusive? they are abusive only in your dreams. Capitalists are the oppressors and predators of human race.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Communism isn't abusive? Can you name just one communist country past and present that was not abusive or oppressive? Secondly, I do not know of any "True capitalist" countries that ever existed? What people confused with capitalism is either corporatism or nationalism (or statism). The latter is more like communism than capitalism. Gov'ts either side with Industry or they owned them outright,...Only once during the progressive era did the Gov't side with the people.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : lets not argue about such things. Look at TODAYS reality right now. Is this system abusive and requires abuse to exist? YES. Thats a fact. That capitalism does not do whats best for ALL things on the planet, is also a fact.

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn What capitalism are you talking about? What you fail to realize the problem int he world is not cause by an "ism," its cause by something else. Ask yourself, why Mexico is suddenly cracking down on Drug cartels? Why is Afghanistan economically vital to the US? Why did we really go to Iraq (we only get a fraction of oil from there)? Gov''ts are nothing more than the weapons of Multinational corporations desires. We are mere chess pieces to the ruling elites.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : without the chess pieces they cannot have their possition. So, al chess pieces have to work on a change together.

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn Unfortunately, the reality isn't a chess board in which the pieces can move themselves. Free will is only has free as we think we have choices. You can think you can choose this option, but its only an illusion. You lack the power & wealth to combat those who interest is maintaining the status quo. Your vision cannot be realized in the present political and social landscape. Marx completely underestimated the elites and so are you.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : actually we can, by standing together, standing IN the system but not off it, and eventually change it from the inside out. And I dont believe in free will. everyone gets programmed from birth. but you can de-program yourself and use the system against itself. Dont make the mistake of believing you cant do anything, thats what they want you to believe.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance I can not mention any Communist country because there isn't one, maybe I can tel' you that Cuba, China, North Korea, Laos and the former USSR are much better than any Capitalist nation. Socialism is the early stage of Communism, as Capitalism to Imperialism. U.S has surpass capitalism, imperialism and beyond, they are becoming the new Empire in 21th Century, it's unbelievable. Other Western countries are Capitalists, not democratic. Generally speaking, there has never been DEMOCRACY.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Yes we could argue that "True Communist" country as never existed. It wasn't through a lack of trying. One cannot deny that Gov't based on such a lofty dream have all turned oppressive and abusive to it's people.

Democracy & Capitalism are two mutually exclusive terms; 1 is political & the latter is economic. Moreover, W. Europe & N. A. are Welfarist states far from capitalism. I think what you mean to say is that Western Countries are oligarchies, as opposed to democratic.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance You know what, logically thinking socialism/communism is better than capitalism. In Capitalism the rich accumulate wealth, while the other portion of society is starving or dying defenselessly, and you think this's right in an era of civilization. Socialism is all about implementing human values, it's a system based on honesty and modesty, and its goal is to unite people not divide them. Solidarity and brotherhood inside and outside the country are the main principles of socialism.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 You take a very idealist approach to socialism. The reality stands in stark contrast. In every socialist country both past and present there have been a society by the have and haves not. Moreover, cruelty have been just as pervasive, Stalin, Pol Pot, Honecker, & Ceausescu just to name a few. Each of these men have oppress and abuse their own people. Principles mean very little to the evil side of human nature.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance Mmmmmmmmm, as socialism cruelty been more than that of Hiroshima and Nagazaki, as well as the cruelty that acompanied slavery? Please be realistic in your reasoning, it's not about who is right or wrong , but what is right. Socialism only emerged to safe humanity from capitalists horendous action against the masses all around the world. Wasn't slavery a form of free trade? Slavery was a key factor in profit maximization, and that was exellent, right? this was to iqual zero values.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 The atomic bombs were dropped as a result from a protracted war. It was a gov program, not a corporate one. Military technology was one thing it did well. Its easy to assume that a socialist country would be just as likely to use atomic weapons, Like other economic systems, socialism committed cruel acts against its own people (noted previously). BTW, Stalin sent millions of people to live in harsh conditions for "Mother Russia" It was voluntary servitude- thus slavery.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Free trade is NOTa form slavery. The two terms are mutually exclusive. Are you reading this stuff in a book? I just do not see how you cannot know what free trade really is???

[ViktorHansEmanuel]

@Pikestance Free trade doesn't exist. Those with money set the terms and dictate the laws.

[Pikestance]

@ViktorHansEmanuel I'd already asked if we could use terms in the proper meaning and context, then you jump in trying to start a semantics debate. I think we would both agree with the evils of corporatism which you rather sheepishly alluded to but avoided saying.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance Slaves were a form of stock, weren't they? Mostly Portuguese and and Spanish brought them out from Africa and sold them to the rest of the world, specially to the English in America. And the market when on and on until the slave revolt against their masters. This is one of vivid example of capitalism cruelty against humanity. Free market is an exchange of anything whether it a resource or service between the consumers and producers and it's driven by people own needs and desires.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Its funny that you seem to suggest that slavery began with the African Slave Trade, when it fact it was the culmination of centuries of labor practices. The entire Roman society was based on slave labor. Virtually every culture practice slavery as a legitimate form of labor, even to this day. Our modern objection to slavery is based on the refinement of our moral compass and less to do with any chosen economic system. Cont

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Previously stated, socialist countries are not less prone to using force labor. Stalin forced people to relocate to harsh living condition to propel the SU to a Mod state. Pol Pot forced 1000s of people to relocate out of cities to start over. E. Ger put up walls to prevent people from leaving the country. Regardless of the economic system, nations will do anything, including inhumane treatment of its own people to acquire & maintain control of precious resources

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : why is this discussion on going about socialism and communism and history? Whats the point? Like whats your conclusion then because you do this to get somewhere.

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn Why? Someone stated that socialism is about love of brotherhood and unity. I simply responded that history proves otherwise. I would not want to live under socialism anymore than the current corporatocracy.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance The free trade happened among the colonies, Spanish, English, Portuguese, etc. Slaves did not sell their labour because they where the merchandise; they were forced into free labour and cruel, they didn't even know were they were heading. Capitalism is all about opportunism; taking advantage of others. In other hand, socialism/comm is all about protecting all humans at all costs. Socialism is unity, while capitalism enjoy dividing people, so they can grasp them easily.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Seriously, you need to research the term free trade. Its impossible to have a discussion if you going to reinvent the meaning of terms. We need to discuss from a common framework or the debate will disintegrate to semantics. Also, I already illustrated how socialism in practice does not bring unity and it did not protect humans at all cost. Socialism does divide people, in each case, an elite class was created leading to the same social stratification founf in mixed economies.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : thats why we need a new system. Not the re-use of the old ones that did not work.

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn Yes Spam we do agree that the current system is not good. There are two questions: What system should we adopt? How best to bring about that system when the current benefactors will resist anything that will reduce their power and wealth? The last thing is to consider the current trend. The Corporate elites, Industrial military complex, and the banking industry have been increasing their power and influence. It will take long time to reverse this trend. This discussion is academic.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance thats why we are planning to get good educations, emerge ourselves in the system, form a network and change it this way. It will take long time yes.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 There several types of imperialism. Political, & economic, social/ cultural. Political involved all three. Economic is more common today as LEDCs are maniulated by MEDCs into unfavorable economic "options." Oligarchs are controlled by the Corporate elites. So Gov't policies reflect the interest of the MN corporation rather than expounding the virtues of capitalism. I think if you stop reading communist propaganda & study poli sci with an open mind, you will see this more clearly.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance Yea, you can mention any existing form of imperialism, but it doesn't matter because everything in human activity is interconnected. Money is the only force behind capitalism/imperialism. You can try harder to disguise it as implementing Democracy globally, but still a big lie. Imperialism is all about making enemies, while socialists make friends. How many countries have Cuba, China, North Korea, Laos and Viet Nam invated? And how many has USA and its alies? Unnecessary loss of life

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Seriously, please read some history: DPR Korea invaded R Korea 25-6-1950, Soviet Crushed a popular revolt in Hungary 4-3 1956, Soviet invade Bulgaria in Sept. 1945, Following a coup, Czechoslovakia. Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia, & Bulgaria are also forced to accept Soviet domination. After taking over Cuba, Castro purges the gov't of pro democratic revolutionaries (former allies of Castro), The Soviet Union also encouraged revolutions worldwide. Socialism isn't Peace

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance Please, socialism doesn't mean being naive, they fight back to defend their sovereignty, and when have imperialists stopped doing those weird and provocative things? never. If socialist nations haven't have complete peace, it has been because of capitalist dirty work, behind the enemy not in front. Look who trained Osama Bin Ladin to destroy the Soviets, and now who has been fighting him for almost nine years. It's crazy to see how the result of your own work turn back to hunt you.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 You keep using the term Capitalist,... when most countries are welfare states or oligarchies that support and his supported by corporations. The Marshal Plan was implemented AFTER Stalin created satellite states. Osama was one of MANY freedom fighters in Afghanistan to fight a Socialist invasion. The invasion took place after the afghan refused to live under soviet-led socialist rule. So much for peaceful non aggressive socialism.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : answer this: can capitlism exist without consumerism?

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn Why do I need to answer this question? The desire for goods and services exist regardless of economic system. Current systems favor corporatism, & not necessarily the consumer. Ex: The Soviet Union wanted to provide an ind source of cotton. As a result the Aral Sea has shrunk to virtually nothing displacing thousands of workers with the fishing industry and turning the region into a waste land. Such practices will never happen in a true capitalist system. Your question is an conundrum.

[ViktorHansEmanuel]

@Pikestance Demand is manipulated through subliminal messages. There is lot's of shit produced for profit. Which is a direct outflow of our current economic system.

Our current system is based upon debt. Thus supporting competition and profit. Not considering what is truly needed, and what is truly supportive. It's all about survival. And this can stop through implementing a equal money system.

[Pikestance]

@ViktorHansEmanuel "Sbliminal Message" lovely discussion, but irrelevant to what we are discussion. 2nd the "shit produced" is being produce because that is what the consumer (us) are demanding. This would be the case regardless of the system, or else you have a lack of one good and service and an excess of another. Profit is simply a greater inflow of money then an outflow. profit is used for development, improvements and savings. If we do not increase our saving the US economy will bankrupt.

[ViktorHansEmanuel]

@Pikestance In any case. We need a solution. The current situation of the world is unacceptable and this economic system is without any doubt coming to an end. A equal money system will stop profit. And instead of being based upon competition. Be based upon expression. Which will change the experience human-beings has of themselves within living extensively.

[Pikestance]

@ViktorHansEmanuel No, the value of money is based on debt, not the economy. The banks have been laughing ever since they "sold" us on the concept of fiat money. "Equal Money system" That's a good idea, let's stifle any chance of improving the human condition and see where we all end up Every attempt thus far to implement anything close to that has led to oppressive backwards totalitarian regimes.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : watch the series "the workings of our world", it shows why this system; and capitalism, cannot exist without suffering and the demand for lots of material goods/stuff.

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn I have read books view documentaries movies on economics. All of which have the knowledge to use the correct terminology. If this is where you are getting your information about economics, I suggest you seek out better research material. Thus far, every response from you and others "smells" of socialist propaganda, but you claim not to be communist???

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : I dont care about being socialist or communist or whatever other name you would like to add. I care about what will work the best for ALL on the planet without the creation of abuse.

[DarrylWThomas]

@Pikestance WHAT? Did you happen to see there's a giant oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico which singularly disproves your thesis? Come on, stateless corporatism is no "better" economic system than any other system. Capitalism is economic totalitarianism, and you will see soon that "free market'" was a hoax. Clock is ticking.

[Pikestance]

@DarrylWThomas What thesis is that? In any event, it proves my "point" that corporatism is system in which we currently live in. As far as your next statement, please read my other comments- I agree with you. Capitalism is an economic system, while Totalitarianism is a political system. Free market doesn't exist. Most countries have a "Mixed" economy,, including some socialist hold outs. All of this have been pointed out by me already. Please read all of my comments first before responding!

[DarrylWThomas]

@Pikestance Who said anything denying corporatism isn't the current economic system? And I only have to read "smells of socialism" to see where you are coming from. Are you a neoliberal hack, or what?

Socialism and communism did not go far enough. Capitalism has had its day, and you should be glad you're seeing its end.

[Pikestance]

@DarrylWThomas You can't say that capitalism is nearing its end if you believe in corporatism. Corporatism undermines the principles of capitalism. They cant both coexist. Corporatism is having its day and I seriously doubt its ending anytime soon. Lastly, I am not hacking anything. I have use reason and logic to disprove false assertions. I am only here to explain the evils og the world is caused by corp. elites financing their empires thru oligarchs in gov. Yor attempt to label is irrelevant.

[DarrylWThomas]

@Pikestance Stateless Corporatism is only the logical result of Capitalism, the inevitable outflow, but really it is what Capitalism has become.Regardless, there is a financial black hole that can't be closed that will effectively end this economic cycle. We should be discussing what will take its place instead of delving into semantics.

[Pikestance]

@DarrylWThomas Before we delve into this to deeply let us understand that Corporatism (at least in our uses, though common is incorrectly applied) is the domination of politics for benefit of business interest. Capitalism is system where the means of production of good and services is determine by the free market, NOT through gov interference. In a capitalist system govs role is limited to ensuring "fair play" Therefore Corporatism cannot be an outflow of capitalism.

[Pikestance]

@DarrylWThomas If Businesses is able to corrupt gov to so that it manipulates the market for its own good, then market cannot be free, thus a free market economy no longer exist. The World's economy went from landowners dictating public policy to Industry and banking dictating public policy. At no time was there ever a capitalist system in place for Corporatocracy to develop from. Lastly, it isn't semantics to understand the distinction between the 2 terms.

[DarrylWThomas]

@Pikestance The American "Captains of Industry" of the 19th century moved "capitalism' (which I agree has never been practiced except on a small scale) to "corporatism" and have never taken the foot off the pedal. Do you want to discuss what comes after the Crash or not?

[Pikestance]

@DarrylWThomas I assume you are referring to the current economic problem? Thus far, the power elite have manage to rescue themselves, but no the economy. The Euro is cracking! I fear the worse is yet to come for Europe. Economic crashes are like earthquakes, it isn't the initial shaking that does the most damage, its the aftershocks & secondary effects that does.

[DarrylWThomas]

@Pikestance The system is falling down a black hole. I've seen reports that bank execs on wall st. are applying for gun permits in case there's an uprising!! I agree, the worst is yet to come and will make the Great Depression seem like birthday party.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance Yes, I keep saying capitalists because that is what they are. US is the only pure capitalist nation on earth as the books state it, and the other Western countries are mixed capitalists. Why do you try to disguise things, when in reality they all are capitalists, and US is Imperialist Yankee! What is so difficult to understand, isn't capitalism about making many; and when have they stop making profit at expense of others? There is nothing to defend in regard to CAPITALISM.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 I need to contact the Libertarian Party! They've achieved their goal of creating a capitalist country. Do you really see the world in such superficial black/ white perspective? Am. may not be a welfare state on the scale of W. Europe, but its far from being a capitalist state. Imperialist Yankee? -as if the US is the only country prone to such behaviors. Its ironic that this is Socialist propaganda when they are guilt of the same sin. Your comments are funny, a must for Facebook

[SpamAnn]

Capitalism definition

An economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists.

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn Where did you get this definition? I don't know if I would call an investor a capitalist???? Bit dodgy I'll say.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : dictionary, although there are many definitions, there isnt just 1 standard. Fact is: current system is failing, we need a new one. Society based on competition will never do whats best for all.

[SpamAnn]

@Pikestance : and lets stop a useless discussion about what is what name or whatever. We can clealry see, the system right now, is not doing whats best for all. Do you agree?

[Pikestance]

@SpamAnn Yes I agree the system is not working. Its important to identify the system for what it is. Its difficult to change if you do not know the forces that will resist change. I assure they will NOT go quietly into that good night! Secondly, what system can we create that would prevent such abuse of power from happening in the future. In many proposed alternative systems, it is simply one form of abuse for another.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance You are stuck not knowing what to say, I see. And by the way, funny stuff get popularity here on You Tube not on Facebook; so I guess I am in the right spot. Please get informed, estas frito!

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 I have no idea what you are talking about??? its funny you telling me to get informed when I continuously disprove all of your strange &/or incorrect notions.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance Of course, you have no idea because you simple don't know anything about free trade. What you don't know doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Are you a consultant or something like to disprove my comments? You simply have to disagree.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Of course we DISAGREED. We DISAGREED because I believed your facts an bout communism are false. You claim the opposite. I then, DISPROVE each notion you had about communism/ socialism as false. I have no idea why you are asserting I do not know anything about free trade,... I haven't even discussed free trade, except to point out that you (or another poster) gave a terse semantic explanation of free trade. perhaps your belief of my ignorance stems from our disagreement.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance You see, Democracy would be the best system ever, because it means that in a democratic system Gov' acts as a middle man; listening to the poor as well as to the rich, but this would never happen because gov's officials are humans and will always act upon their own interests and their own prejudices, most of the time they will side with the rich/corporates. So, my conclution is that I would rather be a socialist to oppress the oppressor for the well-being and survival of human race.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Unfortunately, choosing to oppress anyone is an nonviable solution. I would rather not replace one group of oligarchs, for another group of oligarchs.

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance, look at Cuba, is prospering despite the deadly embargo imposed on them by the empire for more than 40 years. With Fidel Castro (dictator) in power Cuban people have gotten higher education, free health care, and national unity; and all this according to you and your fellow capitalists it's super bad, they need democracy just like Americans to go to Iraq and Afghanistan to FIGHT that is freedom, eh!

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 Cuba's HDI- 0.863 (51st) Life Expectancy: 78.5 (30th) per capita Income: 6,976 (95th) Literacy: 99.8 (2nd), Enrollment: 100 (1st) US HDI: 0.956 (13th) Cuba Human Development Index is fairly descent, however,it is aided by its education level which is usually good in Socialist countries. In the indicators that directly related to wealth & prosperity Cuba is very weak. BTW, Che did go to Chile & Cuba did support Angola??? I would call that fighting. Read your history NOT propaganda

[TheIdealist97]

@Pikestance There is no propaganda, absolutely not. Cuba still among the Third-world nations, isn't it? and it has been dealing with embargo for more than four decades and on top of that Cuba doesn't get any fund from IMF nor form World Bank. UN use Human Development Index to measures countries' progress, and Cuba is doing pretty good despite all the above mentioned factors. Cuba is competing with the First-world not Third-world, and it's a fact not myth. And I am not even taking China.

[Pikestance]

@TheIdealist97 "Communist Cuba" for much of its existence was financed by the Soviet Union. The HDI is used to help guide govt to focus on human development rather simply developing economically. Whether or not its doing well is a matter of relativity. Its wise to avoid China, its development is based on 'capitalist" principles.In time, its economic system will resemble Europe. Its gov is infinitely cruel however. Totalitarian gov are always connected with all socialist govts... not democracy!

[jeffmac1971]

Again it is the people and their BEHAVIOR that makes a country rich or poor. iraq could supply have the world with oil but they choose to make war and suicide bombs so they suffer. is that my fault? no.

[BellaBargilly]

not only

it is the money it ´has´ in its provision and the position it has in the world.

also relevant here is to note that natural earth resources are not equally available around the globus - let alone the fact that they are not equally available to people but are claimed as property - THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE

we are all here together

to make a difference, we have to stop existing in Fear and Stand-Up in Self-Responsibility for all as one as EQUAL

[daizee106]

I agree with this statement . Resources are not property of one or corp.

[jeffmac1971]

Look at the united arab emerates a moderate islamic state that sold billions in oil then reinvested it into green technology and modern cities. take afghanastan that sells opium harbors terrorists and childishly treats women like shit. they are poor and wartorn.

[davidpup415]

cia controls drug trade

[BellaBargilly]

money controls the cia

[Changeling9au]

Charity is the perfume which smothers the sewer of capitalism (and pretty much all the other isms, for that matter).

[jeffmac1971]

africa has corrupt presidents, kings and warlords who keep everything for thenselves. we could give them 5 billion or 50 billion anyone without a gun will never see a penny. somalia has pirates hijacking international ships. muslims slaughter innocents at will. any country with no respect for human life is doomed to collapse on itself. feeding africa only streghtens the strong while the poor suffer. stop feeding them and they might have to begin taking care of themselves. its not all our fault

[BellaBargilly]

people are corrupt everywhere

to blame is to give-away your self-power

the question that is relevant: What will it take to Stop the Cycles of Abuse?

[jeffmac1971]

i really hate to sound like a jerk but africa has been SELLING its people into slavery for over four hundred years to any european country long before america was even a thought. Africa still sells its people into slavery TODAY. i believe they are sold for $75 and resold for $350. 90000 slaves are in north africa by muslims today. africa is the rape capital of the planet. they have no food because it is unsafe to go out. africa can feed itself, but africans cannot because they prey on themselves

[LindaDillinger]

Ann - great video. Good points. Thank you for doing these.

Equal money for all from birth to death is the first step is creating equality and trust lived on this planet.

[lxvlx]

Any system can result in abuse. It is the people that need to change priorities.

[SpamAnn]

ofcourse, thats why we suggest micro chipping to stop all abuse. Not as the nwo kinda stuff think , but to be able to track down ALL abuse and no allow it.

[daizee106]

Are you suggesting communism?

[BellaBargilly]

no - we are suggesting ACTUAL equality

communism was a system of hierarchy with a ´top-point´ of control

no actual equality - let alone self-responsibility - can be found in communism

[lxvlx]

Secondly, I'm not sure that changing the system should be our first priority.

There is too much focus on a display of economic success by the ostentatious consumption of as many expensive items as possible. Including within our interests the satisfaction that comes with helping others could go a long way. We also need to broaden and deepen what it means to give. For example check out the 50% club at donorleaders dott orggg

[SpamAnn]

It is our first priority, because as long as this system will exist, abuse will exist.

[lxvlx]

The problem does still exist, but it has actually decreased. Giving *does* do good.

[SpamAnn]

no, it doesnt, the problem has just went on over the years, increasingly more the last couple of years and before.

[lxvlx]

"In the time people have done charity, poverty has only increased."

This is not true. The proportion of people unable to meet their basic physical needs is smaller today than it has been at any time in recent history.

[SpamAnn]

There are now more sex slaves then 400 years ago and ever in history. their basiv needs are not met.

[iloveterriers]

Great video SpammAnn.

[BellaBargilly]

very cool points in this video - the current cannot continue - we will not take this any longer.

a new system that will ensure equality of life can have no place for ranks or hierarchy of any kind.

the value of life is life - and life is equal in all as the air we all breathe.

[daizee106]

Free Market system is the only way to stop this abuse. You can barter for what you need most of the time. Take the government out of your daily buisness and survive if you have the will.

[BellaBargilly]

daizee106

what exist now in the world is called ´free market´ - what makes you think that people would trade when they already have what they need?

what makes you think that in barter people will suddenly care for others?

the only wy to stop abuse is to actually Stop Abuse through an Equality-System that will not allow profit. Would you ´give-up´ what you ´have´ for All to have equal?

[daizee106]

What exists is called capitolism. I agree with you about communism, as I am 100% against it. I believe in free market systems because people would not have to rely on government hand outs and grocery stores. If I have eggs and you have milk we could trade for these goods without the gov. regulating this activity. this is what I mean.

[BellaBargilly]

daizee106

there is no such thing as ´free market´

why?

because money is created and defined by man - and man is not free

man is slave to desire for power, at the same time existin inFear

´free market´ or free exchange will only be possible when man has stopped self from existing in self-interest justified through fear of survival, stop greed, abuse and cruelty and self-realize Life as equality.

then we can talk about ´free markets´...

[resolveitall]

exactly as is. very directly put Ann. excellent work!

[1GOD1JESUS]

people in poor countries need abortions, not money

[SpamAnn]

thats a really supperficial comment, you need to look into this issue more

[1GOD1JESUS]

im thinking outside the square, it is also a brilliant idea

[LindaDillinger]

A problem can't be fixed by fixing the result of the problem. It has to be addressed at the source of the problem. Investigation into why these are people poor to start with will bring a solution, which is what we are working on.

[LindaDillinger]

The implication in your statement is that poor people are the cause of poverty and that eliminating them will solve the problem. But it is not the poor that cause the problem, they are the result of the problem.

[HailRasec]

Just destroy the IMF, and the third world would be a much better place.

[BurnRoddy]

You are not seeing the whole picture, there are much higher ranks that would make another substitute as fast as you end IMF.

[ArachonidMembrain]

after reading this , i find my self wondering , ,thinking , your full of jealous hate ann are you are a raciest , using such a topic to promote race hate ,, very disappointing,this is typical zionest hate crap ...

[SpamAnn]

there is no jealousy or hate in this video, these are your own projectiong. This video is showing the abuse in the world we ALL allow. If you would be familiar with my videos you wuold know that race hate is something I would never allow.

[KellyPosey]

Awesome video, thanks.

[ouijaboy666]

finally you have something sensible to say.

[xdodo30]

Thanks for sharing Ann. We cant turn a blind eye anymore.

[alllifeequal]

Thanks Ann - Cool video.

[deliciousonionsoup]

"Nations pay the West 9 times more in debt payments than they receive in "aid" from Western countries".

This tells the whole story - that an elite in those poor countries are content to keep their own poor very poor so that they themselves can continue to be the benefiting elite in those poor countries.

The West might be exploiting but there is an elite also in each of those poor countriees that is exploting, too. Now they have to wake up! They need to stop paying the debts for a start.

[BurnRoddy]

Which sumes to me that what poor ppl are lacking more is understanding of the exploitation here exposed. Human rights violations to prevent self production in Africa is alarming. Africans get paid to threath of stealing raping and brutally murder childs of decent man that lives from yams (Discorea) in order to take all their production free.

[BurnRoddy]

This corrupted people need education to realize how better the things would be if they allowed the others to work.You can educate by creating an industry that improves everybody's lifstyle.

[IntiHehlua]

It's an amazing video. Have you read into the Rothschilds at a ll?

[GabrielZamoraM]

Do you have any Practical solutions at all?

[lxvlx]

Do you, GabrielZamoraM?