Wow a pretty girl who understands my cause. The reason the second amendment is the most important because it is vital to own guns to defend the first amendment and all the others the 2nd amendment should also be used to prevent abuse of the first. If the government comes to take my guns I will first blow the brains out of the fellow that came to take my guns then go out the back with my guns.
Wow, your school lets you memorize this, I wish I went to your school. If you mention the word gun in my school, you get expelled and maybe even investigated by the police. Damn Liberals.
I'm doing a persuasive speech for school on why gun laws are strict, and in some ways nonsensical. (For example, bombs being easier to get legally than machine guns, via government regulation.)
Your presentation of Heston's speech is very inspirational. Thank you.
japan didn't invade because they knew the U.S. had a high rate of gun ownership. "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Isoroku Yamamoto (Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy)
The one and only purpose of a gun is to kill. How do you intend to create a better world by killing? And please, don't give me that "protecting" bullshit.
If you ask me, the only thing that can create a better world is the truth, and the truth in this case is that if there were no guns in the world then nobody would ever get killed by one. But please, do tell me how you intend to make the world better and safer by pointing guns.
Paddis, you're exactly the type of pussy that ends up watching their family get raped because you are too selfish to arm yourself and defend yours.
Sorry, but "protecting" isn't bullshit. Twice in my life has a gun protected me from harm. If you don't want to own a gun. Fine. Enjoy your false sense of security. But don't tell me I don't have the right to defend myself or my family.
For every gun crime there are thousands of people owning and using guns properly. Safely.
I love it when people judge me on the internet. =)
I don't quite understand how I'm selfish when I don't want to harm others, which is what I'd do with my gun. I have never in my life been attacked, and guess what? I've never had a gun either.
Using a gun properly is using it to harm others since that is the reason you have a gun, right? Well is that's the case, how can it be safe?
you are the same dumbfuck pacifist that would have let hitler take over the world and commit genocide on multiple millions more. guns have SAVED more lives than they've taken, you IGNORANT dumbfuck!!
you stupid limp dick moron?? do you think terrorists, murderers, rapists, mafia lords, gangsters, thieves and every other cum stain on society are going to stop using guns because they are outlawed? how fucking STUPID can you be? maybe it will be your daughter or mother getting raped in her house with no way to defend herself next time and then you will think differently. move your fucking asses to england if you dont' like it here.dumbass and braindead is what you are.
I love to read these comments, it's quite funny to see how upset people can get on the internet.
What I'm saying is simply that if there are no guns in the world, nobody would ever have to be killed by one. What's so hard to understand about that?
The problem now becomes that you can't say anything to prove that I'm wrong, because I'm simply not - it's impossible. Just like you wouldn't be able to "defend" yourself with one, no one would be able to attack you with one.
if there was no HIV people wouldn't die from aids....if there were no cars people wouldn't die from car wrecks. if there was no smoking people wouldn't die from cancer. what you are saying makes very little sense?? would you prefer they use knives? if not knives, then rocks? no rocks?...sticks then? murderers are going to kill no matter what.
A knife is not as lethal as a gun, and it's purpose is not only to harm other beings. You can use a gun, a stick and a rock for all kinds of things but you can only use a gun to harm others or for sports.
Of course people are going to kill each other no matter what, even if you'd remove all guns. The problem that I have however is that people praise guns as if they're good things. I don't see people praising HIV or cancer.
of course they are...but i'm pretty sure the gun helps.
think about how much the crime rate would be reduced if handguns (not hunting weapons) were outlawed. when the convenience of guns is removed from society, the willingness to kill becomes less and less (as do gun-related accidents.)
OMG you are a pussy ass europissan SWEDE!! maybe a swastika carved on your forehead or in your ass cheek would make you a little stronger proponent for guns!!
Hi Emmaline: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot, Bush. Do you believe that by having a gun in your home, that you are equipped to defend against a government gone bad. There are many controls in place in Western countries,
that corruption that is evident in non-Western countries is not likely to happen. You are much more likely to be hit by a bullet in the USA than Canada; I wonder why? I own a
Para 1911, and a Mossberg 500 12 G, but do not have them with me as I drive to work.
In Canada, one of the biggest "control" keeping a government from falling into corruption is the fact that there are roughly 2.5 million people like you as a responsible a firearms owner. For a "government gone bad" to come into fruition, it has to have a complete and total monopoly on lethal force, so as to be able to coerce the population into doing it's bidding, through force if necessary. You owning a gun, challenges that notion and thus keeps the government in check.
The irony is you don't have to USE your gun for it to be effective. HAVING it sends a strong enough message and like the millions of licensed Canadian gun owners - you having a gun doesn't necessarily mean you will go out to use it to inflict harm with it. In the US, just as in Canada, the overwhelming majority of gun owners are just like you and me - safe, responsible, and law abiding. It's the slim minority and sensationalist news media that create a false impression otherwise.
In a militar country that has more prisons than schools, there should be availability to bear arms upon the circunstances like living in Alaska, however, they rather built more schools and motivate children to read than opening the huge business of wepons that is already tageted in the Army. People should be granted to rather learn the history of weapondry. Things such as : Where the Novel Prize come from? How gangs emerged in USA, what make children become gansters? Who owns the gans?
Wow, I cannot believe you are Canadian, I initially assumed you must be from somewhere in the deep South. As much as I accept your right to your opinion, you may find that they will change as you mature.
Well I have to say that I resent your comment here. Both as a gun owner and as a person who lives in the south. If you want to talk about stereotypes you sound like the typical anti gun liberal who just assumes that all gun owners and people from the south are just a bunch or uneducated idiots. I find that most British and Canadian people are very annoying. You people had your gun rights taken away so all you do now is just run your mouth about America because we still have that right.
In 1938, Nazi Germany implemented gun control measures made it illegal for Jews to own firearms.
We all know what happened within 7 years.
So long as there is a Second Amendment in the US Bill of Rights, widespread, government sponsored genocide against it's own people will never be a reality.
There's a reason why I and so many other Canadians find ourselves living in the States (but still retain our citizenship to mooch off the Canadian welfare and health care systems, without paying taxes).
Good riddance. Do you really believe that gun control was the reason the Jewish people were unable to defend themselves against the world's strongest military. I live in Calgary. there are 100,000 American's here who have fled the USA for a safer place to live. Thats 10% of the city's population.
Until recently people left Canada because there were more opportunities for a better living in the US. Also until recently Americans came to Alberta because of the low taxes and booming economy. You should know Alberta has a vibrant gun culture and has one of the most relaxed attitude towards guns in the country. Look at your single LTATT, it probably lets you do things unthinkable in Ontario or Quebec. Compared to some neighborhoods in Toronto, Alberta (Calgary especially) is very safe too.
Great job, smart girl with alot of common sense that truly understands what Charleton said, God rest his soul. thanx for the reinforcement of faith in our young students.
i don´t defend criminals, but have guns and kill each other. Hell, even children had killed other children or themselves for having guns at home. Those were accidents?
I don´t undestand why americans love people that are murders in all the extension of the word.
Gun control? Violence... That´s control.
You should ask a columbian´s student what he thinks about this.
It´s easier when you are pointing with a gun but difficult when you are on the other side of the canon
Thank you for posting this video. I hope people will realize how important it is to keep this amendment as a part of the American Constitution and to make sure the liberals don't take it away. Again, thank you.
She is a wonder and a delight to see and hear common sense, intelligent thinking in the younger generations like this! this world is under attack and its NOT politics anymore. we even allowed a President to be elected, who clearly has HATE for our freedoms/Americans and is doing everything to stop us!! SO I say "watch closely now, for the hour is getting late"
Wilma, wilma wilma...thanks for demonstrating, "pathetic" and "scenile" for the youtube viewers, you are the voice of the hopeless, the scared and the stupid. Hold that banner high, my friend, hold it high! hahaha
this is the biggest batch of garbage I've ever seen dumped freely on the collective conscience. Again, my best friend growing up, was shot because someone left the gun out on the counter...so a 12 girl dying is worth your safety?
sonofashemale: You are a confirmed liar. Go spew your lies elswhere. Everyone has the God given right to self defense...(even freak-side shows like you) Who will protect you when some thug wants to inflict violence on you or your loved one? The Police? Watch: 911 without a gun. Fill your head with some facts you perv..Watch: 2a For today for the usa. You simpleton liar..you remind me of Obama and the other Democrats who LIE ..LIE..LIE. Google: Obameter (6 lies thus far) Obama is a Marxist!
So what? thats not anybody fault. It was an accident i am sure but even if it wasent anything can kill you.
And yes a girl dying is worth my safety. haha! what do i care? lots of bad ugly shit happens in cars..you gunna start walking idiot? Sorry. The cops have guns so so should you. Criminals arent going to not get guns because your little friend dies.
So stop endangering me with your ignorant unamerican and stupid "ideas". weenie.
Good thing for you, you are behind a computer, pretty brave... it was the fault of the gun salesmen for leaving a deadly weapon out on a counter and idiots like you who take guns so casually. Real men fight with fists/hand to hand, but for someone who throws insults at people from behind the computer and someone who would probably never say something like this to anyone's face, you probably prefer to shoot from afar. Like a little coward. Go back to your metal band little pussy, :-)
Nah, i can fight like a motherfucker. and i dont even own a gun!
hahaha!
And until you ARE a man, dont run around defining what men do or dont do. asshole.
Trust me. But either way, i know i am right.
BTW- Your lying about your story. Get away from guns or you'll deserve if you get shot. THATS WHY WE HAVE THEM AND A SECOND AMENDMENT!! Simple as that, your in America asshole, now shut up.
and BTW - wouldn't that make you feel better if I was lying? So you can feel better about making such a stupid comment? I assure you, I'm not. Also, thankfully for the first amendment, I can say whatever the fuck I want! God sees everything mother fucker and mocking the dead isn't a great idea... You're worthless, brainless and alone. Have fun going nowhere in life fast.
nu407: I am Jewish you arrogant-stupid racist jerk. JPFO...visit learn and then go fuck yourself trouble maker. Not all of US jews are in favor of being disarmed AGAIN...You make me sick you racist swine. Also, what makes you think that anyone who wants to protect the Constitution which includes the Bill of Rights is 'extreme right wing"? Wow, did you get that verbage directly from the Nazi propagand book or what?
@wilma789a- Well you're one dumb jew then. You're one pathetic, ill-informed, delusional madman. I definitely want a gun with crazy folks like you out there. I want guns outta reach of idiots like you.
In your case, your biggest weapon is your STUPIDITY & Ignorance and you'ren't doing a good job using it. Now spare me the embarassment of being seen arguing with your insignificant-self.
You're a jew after all, you should know about Marxism and Communism.
nu407: Aside from the name calling do you have a point to make? Why don't you tell me what Jews should know about Marxism & Communism. I refer people to videos and websites that are factual; I mention laws like HR45 (proposed by ex-Convict-ex Black Panther racist-Bob Rush D-IL) that are unlawful and attack our liberties. You? You sling insults at anyone with a different opinion. So far, you have no valid argument. So, educate me..lets hear your facts on whatever it is that you disagree with.
@wilma789a-Educate you? No.. you're too old and delusional, way too deep in your imaginary crazed world. I would have probably lost my "cool guy" card.
2nd, you're the one calling people all kind of names . If you have short term memory, read your previous comments and compare'em to mine.
I showed class and confidence by examining and describing the kinda of individual you're then counter all your nonsense .
JEWS INVENTED MARXISM AND COMMUNISM. LOOK IT UP THEN CALL ME A RACIST, IDIOT
adadanks: aren't you glad your forefathers were content giving the king blowjobs instead of wanting more freedom? You might be an American. Go fuck yourself and mind your own business. YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN you swine. Freedom and courage is something you will never know. May you choke to death on your next sip of tea and crumpets you socialist cock sucker. :)
As a conservative, I would say that YOU are the reason we shouldn't have guns. For someone who is so for the bill of rights you seem to have quite a problem with adadanks' freedom of speech...hm? Please stop making all conservatives look bad with your stupidity, you are the reason we've lost control of the Washington!
The reason we lost was because republicans tried to win looking like democrats. And republicans lost their way. I do not want a republican to look and sound like a democrat. I want a republican to sound like a republican act like Reagan. That is why we lost.
So u telling me that rights change according with time? What will happen when someone decides, that freedom of speech and liberty of the press are dangerous? When you try to cancel a right, because is a different time, you are practiccally comdemning the rest of to the same fate.
Wilma is a closet liberal who can't spell, how sad. Another non-conservative trait...illiteracy.
Luisetb, the reason we lost is because our party has resorted to fear tactics and nonsensical tirades against our worthy competition in the liberal party. If we evolve and get out of the Regan era, the conservatives of tomorrow will have relevance in a changing world. Guns don't help anyone, my best friend growing up shot herself by reaching for a gun that someone had left out. She was 8.
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"Evil Empire" is a Reagan quote demonizing Russia, it was tied to W's "Evil" quotes, like the cold war is tied to McCarthy and the "Red Scare", which is tied to the same rhetoric used against gun control advocates and liberals being called pinko commies etc. It's all tied together, this "culteral" nightmare. This "creation" of "enemy combatants" to incite fear and hostility. C'mon labor, why are you pretending not to get this? It's the same rhetoric Heston & the nra espouse to. Poor girl.
Oh BTW, tomitstube, this discussion is about guns. It has nothing to do with Bush, Cheney, alternative fuels, the 2nd Iraq War or whatever nonsense you want to bring up. Please, stick to the topic.
Fact is, everyone loves to bash "evil white people," but it's only in the U.S. that I've found myself truly equal and part of that equality arises from me being able to bear arms (so long as I abide by the laws) -- just like the "white man". No other country offers that sort of Citizenship.
You're admonishing me for subjects you brought up?! Seriously?!
Europeans are smart not to provide Muslims arms. It's insane enough that the Netherlands has, and England is contemplating a moratorium of satire on Islam, and by Christians no less. I've never heard anything so ridiculous.
You're talking about Muslims rising up against Christian oppression and want those governments to provide them with arms? Insanity!
Woah, woah, woah. Where did I suggest Muslims should rise up against non-existent "Christian oppression"? The "Europeans are smart not to provide Muslims arms"? Wow -- that sounds kinda racist. It's cool for non-Muslims to be armed, right? Shouldn't someone's right to bear arms be based on citizenship, their ability to abide by the laws and customs of the nation?
I've never, ever considered sowing insurrection against the United States.
Oh ya... Tomitstube, another thing -- I've actually lived in a 3rd world country and I have a first hand account of what its like to live in a socialist environment: it SUCKS. My family has only flourished and NOT STARVED thanks to the U.S. Finally, I would've supported the Iraq War more if it actually had anything do with terrorists. Not disputing Saddam Hussein was a psycho, but we've bred terrorists since that country's invasion.
well fig, i guess you would have a better perspective on things living in a mulsim country. i've lived in asia and europe and have spent time in canada and central america, so who's got the better perspective? btw what muslim country is socialist? none i've heard of, they're biggest problems are theocratic. I live in a major city too, so you ain't got nothin on me there either. I went to a conservative college. i actually got penalized grade wise for opposition to right wing rhetoric.
Did I say I was from a Muslim country? For the record, India has a large Muslim population and has only recently instituted capitalistic reforms. Same thing with Bangladesh. A lot of Muslim countries have strict theocracies or autocracies, but their economic policies are often socialist (like Iraq under Hussein). Also lived/been to Asia, Europe, Canada, and Central America. I'll take USA.
I'm honestly sorry you're penalized fr your grades; that's a restriction on your 1st amendment rights.
Oh yeah, also lots of Eastern European countries have large Muslim populations (some formerly socialist). The Europeans try to ethnically cleanse us every now and then (it's usually Jewish people). It's not like the Iraq War -- they specifically hunt us down. And of course, it's not like Muslims in those European countries could rise up and defend themselves -- because, even if a firearm licensing system exists (unlikely), they're usually categorically denied. So, we get to die and be raped.
Yeah, I guess it's touchy for Muslims in Europe. Apparently Islam doesn't like irony. Shooting Theo Van Gogh 6 times, and pinning a 5 page note to his chest tends to get people riled up. Socialist or not, they have free speech, and it would seem Muslims are trying force theocratic dogma. Not gonna happen. If Muslims continue to force this issue it will not bode well for them. What is their problem? Fatwa is nothing more than a mafia hit job. Either assimilate or stay where they're at.
Oh wow. Are you seriously comparing me to fanatics?! What -- you think I believe fatwas are legitimate? You think I don't believe making fun of Muslims is totally everyone's right? I mean, I do believe in all the Amendments. It is someone's 1st Amendment right to mock and satire.
Seriously, how many Muslims do you think are psycho? Do you just see a brown guy, figure if he's not Hispanic/Latino, that he'll probably strap a bomb to his chest?
BTW, an inanimate object cannot do harm or good. That's why it's *inanimate*. The National Crime Survey indicates there are at least 80,000 legitimate defensive uses of firearms annually; all other scientific studies show even more. Cars, another inanimate object, kill more people than guns. That's not including deaths due to urban sprawl and pollution. Yet, are you railing against cars? I'd love to email you scientific citations, so plz private msg me sometime.
Finally, let me spell out rebelling against the government, since you don't understand. First, it is an absolute last measure when ALL else has failed.
Second, the U.S. military is extremely dependent on maintaining a supply chain (turns out to be true for any good military). Not easy to do when you're in "enemy" territory. Third, parts of the U.S. military would go rogue. Fourth, you'll be dealing with AT LEAST 30 million armed citizens. Iraq, Vietnam, Korea don't have those numbers.
LOL I not going to argue this uprising scenario. It sounds like a sequel to Red Dawn. Citizens had picnics watching the Civil War start. Your speculating on this clear cut "good vs evil" thing that so many gun people do, it just don't work that way.
Tomitstube, I can tell you're being cornered. I never claimed a "good vs evil" thing, so I'm not sure where you got that from. I'm readily aware the world and reality is in shades of gray. That reality, that rationale should tell you immediately not to irrationally fear inanimate objects.
Obviously, a civilian uprising is speculation and I'd very much like to keep it that way. You still have not countered the overwhelming proof of defensive uses of firearms annually.
oh puleeze, i'm being cornered?! i am merely trying to put a cap on this conversation because your end of it is deteriorating. defensive uses of firearms? against other firearms? are you getting the idiocy of these studies? scientific???? what, did they try guns vs. guns, then guns vs. marshmallows, then determine guns are good for defense? i guess the 20,000 gun deaths a year are a figment of everyones imagination. how much is the nra paying you?
When I say scientific studies I mean they're in mainstream scientific journals. These, by their very nature, are neutrally funded. Do you know what the scientific method is and how academic publishing works? Please, dispute the UofM study I posted. Here's another study: "The Impact of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Ban..." by Koper and Roth at the University of Pennsylvania; they found: "no evidence of reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations."
Figgypower, Dont waste your time with tomitstube, he, she, or it does not care about facts and probably thing Bush owns the oil companies and Fahrenheit 911 was a documentary.
You're showing your true colors Figgy, Michigan is a "liberal" University? Why, because it's public? "Gun shows don't increase homicides or suicides". LOL, what an inane study! Someone contemplating murder or suicide is gonna stop by a gun show to window shop? You say "guns don't contribute to suicide/homicide". Duh!!! Guns are the best tool for carrying out suicide/homicide. Focus Figgy, guns are tools for death. Admit the obvious and quit playing games with irrelevant studies.
WOW! You are complete moron if you don't take Michigan for a "liberal" university. Not because it's a public institution, but because of the specific academic environment it's fostered. Go ahead and ask around. It's also a really good university. Go ahead and look up its rankings. I would gladly look them up for you, but YT refuses to allow me to link to it. Also, I WENT TO UofM for a few years. I can't debate a moron.
Aww... tomitstube has learned how to use mortality statistics. In that SAME YEAR there were 47,894 people who died from cars; THAT'S MORE TOTAL AND MORE PER CAPITA DEATHS. That does not include deaths from asthma due to care pollution, or obesity result from cars' urban sprawl. Using your line of logic, we must BAN CARS IMMEDIATELY!! I mean clearly, blaming an inanimate object will solve problems.
well Fig, looks like we've hit a nerve with the gun mortality reality. there's really no arguing those kinds of numbers is there? just the price of doing business Figgy? 30,000 people a year have to die so you and frank can shoot paper cut outs?
you're comparing guns to cars?! c'mon Figgy where's the logic in that? knives, cars provide benefits in everyday life. guns just kill.
pollution and obesity?! LOL i've been saying alternative fuel for years, way ahead of the game there.
Ahead of the curve? If you actually read any of the scientific studies, you'd know alternative fuels are often LESS efficient than gasoline. That means you BURN more alternative fuel.
Most gun mortality is in big cities with strict gun control, which are always counter productive. Look at Chicago and its homicide rate, especially firearm homicides. Look at Chicago's gun control. Same thing with LA, New York, and on and on. And for millions of Americans, guns are very practical.
Figgy, you are wrong again. The rural south's where most people die by guns - per population. White rednecks who love geezus, fried chicken and guns. Guns have no practical use, what a nutty thing to say. They don't get you to work, they don't tuck you in, they don't pay the bills (unless you're the gun manufacturer or the nra). They have one purpose and that's to end life. All those European countrys COMBINED have less gun deaths per year. It's OBVIOUS, gun control saves lives.
Obviously, Europe has lower gun deaths per year, because their culture is devoid of a simple concept like the right of self-defense. For example, you can and will get prosecuted in the UK for hitting someone who is trying to rob your house. Again, I would provide direct links to cases, but YT will not let me.
But, you know what, this is going nowhere and I clearly cannot continue a logical discussion with a RACIST. Have fun lying, nutbag.
Oh yeah, feel free to check ANY European country's violent crime rate -- it's almost always WAY above the U.S. For example, in the UK, the violent knife crime alone (278+ per capita) exceeds US violent gun (91 per capita) and knife crime combined (122 per capita).
Frankl, you're right. I'm just going to ignore this video and move on. People like you keep America free and keep alive the ideal that is America. I'm glad there's people like you to counterbalance the racist, anti-gun, nutbags.
LOL so you're gonna call me a racist and run? ya know if you're gonna call me a racist, you could at least quote me correctly and in context with what i said. I'll quote you correctly, "it's not like Muslims in those European countries could rise up and defend themselves". I notice you chose to ignore my remarks about rednecks. maybe you should move on... another ridiculous statement by you, "obviously EU has lower gun deaths.. they're devoid of the right of self defense".
Hey Frank, got any more Freud quotes? Did you know Freud prescribed cocaine to a friend who was addicted to morphine? LOL, he became addicted to morphine AND cocaine, then died from overdose. Hilarious!!
Tom, you seem to be implying that the majority (or at least a significantly large minority) of gun crimes are committed with legally purchased weaponry. This cannot be further from the truth, as almost all gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. If you criminalize the possession of guns, you do nothing to curb the use of illegal guns, and actually put up a block for law-abiding citizens to purchase defensive weapons of their own.
laborwage, dissention is a word, look it up. Seriously, you need an elaboration of causation for crime? So you live under a rock? Poverty, jobs, discrimnination, lack of good education-schools, you're familiar with how tax codes work and how gated rich neighborhoods get all the amenities while the poor virtually get nothing? What is "where does it all end"? At what point do you and the nra say enough is enough? Ever? Is it like nuclear proliferation? Is 280 million guns not enough?
Dissension is a word, Dissention is not. So all of those factors you listed are correlated to crime, but none have been shown to cause crime. As a matter of fact, Sowell has pointed out that the most important causes of crime are probably endemic cultural factors. Also, it is by no means clear that racial discrimination is at all evident to a significant degree in the U.S. workforce (Economic Facts and Fallacies, Sowell). It is also not at all clear that more guns cause more crime.
Also, nuclear proliferation, many game theorists have pointed out, has resulted in a DECREASE in armed conflict, because of the concept of mutually assured destruction. And your assertion elsewhere that most gun crimes are commited by rednecks in the country is completely false, as the majority of crime in general occurs in the inner cities at the hands of young, black males mostly involved in drug related altrecations. The causes of which are not certain but the fact still stands.
lol, According to my Websters Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, it's dissension, also dissention. I guess you can argue with Webster. You're paraphrasing Thomas Sowell, who is in the minority with his causation of crime theory. He actually says blacks were better off before civil rights. He cites marriage-divorce records as proof. Conservatives are quacks no matter their skin color. According to you two, rich affluent neighborhoods should be rife with crime since poverty isn't a factor.
I'll take your word for the dissention/dissension thing. As for Thomas Sowell having the minority opinion, of course he does when you compare him to sociologists, most of whom are the lughing stock of the scientific community due to their disregard for the scientific method and their rampant politicization of science. Blacks were not better off before civil rights and he never says this. What he does say is that the gains made by blacks on all categories were radically slowed, and some
reversed in the wake not of civil rights legislation (which he wholeheartedly supports) but of the social programs of the 60s. Economists are in general consensus that the incentives and constraints of welfare policies are not conducive to curbing poverty, and are in fact supportive of crime and illegitemacy increases. And as far as the prediction that the rich should be causing as much crime as the poor; it happens to be that the same cultural factors that predispose a people to crime
About Sowell's cultural cause you gleefully state. Sowell cites "geography" as causation for defining cultural success, but changes his mind when it comes to geography (or environment) when relating to causation for crime. It's a contradiction. This would include all environmental causation Sowell dismisses.
The stats on gun deaths in the rural south are part of a study relating to death per population. Per 1000 people, or something similar, the rural south is the most deadly by gun.
Please point me in the direction of this study you cite, I would like to read it. And can you rephrase your point on geography? I'm not quite sure what you mean. Thanks.
About Sowell - In "Race & Culture, Migrations & Culture, Conquests & Culture", he outlines fallacies of racial genetics for why one culture dominates another. "Geography" is a cause of his. This is supported by J. Diamonds "Guns, Steel, & Germs", book and documentary. The problem is Sowell abandons this rationale in favor of political theory when describing the same scenario domestically. i.e. a cultural cause over the environment (geography) cause. It's a politicized contradiction.
Sowell makes the point that geography can be a factor in cultural development. That is, based on geography and the ecoonomic consequences of it, some peoples develop a culture more conducive to dilligence and peace and less conducive to sloth and conflict, because in stable areas, productive efforts and delayed gratification are rewarded. In the U.S. today, those groups that have inhereted a culture that was developed in the scottish highlands lag behind other groups. Where is the contradiction
LOL Exactly!! Who would benefit from a race to annhilate the planet?! Apparently you didn't read into my sarcasm. You don't think it's just a little insane to take the planet to the brink of self destruction over ideology? We can blow you up 20 times, well we can blow you up 30 times... meanwhile millions of people starve and die of aides... Gawd bless our guns... yeehaw!!! And people wonder why we've fallen off our pedestal. I was serious when I voted for change.
Nobody is as bad as Bush.....Except every other Puppet president excepting The possibility of JFK who actually tried to fight the real reasons behind the bullshit and was killed for it.
In the last hundred years or so we've had 1 "half way decent" president. (JFK). No I'm not a Liberal....I'm a Constitutionalist and JFK regardless of his previous policies proved that he actually cared about this country.
If you're fighting God and guns then you're not worthy of being called American.
Tom, I'm not sure I see your point. Certainly no rational thinker would advocate war and an arms race as a valid alternative use of resources. But the reality is such that often times, detterence is neccesary. And although you seem to be a mindful individual intent on helping the less fortunate, there are many people in this world that prefer to murder, conquer and enslave; something that would certainly result for most of the world had the soviet union not been contained when it was.
Believe me, I'm a realist, I know bad things happen to good people. I know tyranny exists and I have no problem scouring the planet to kill the last member of the Taliban. It's this invented "evil doer", "axis of evil", "evil empire", "carrot and stick", bullshit that I hope has run it's course. When will Americans wake up and realize the only way reagan conservatism, domestic or foreign, makes any sense, is by creating an enemy? "murder, conquer, enslave"? Who you talking about? Us?
I think we are speaking about two different things. I was reffering to the situation towards the end of the cold war. You seem to be talking about the current situation, or at least the circumstances of the George W era.
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no, we're talking about the same thing. why are you justifying extrodinary waste to accomplish nothing? we didn't contain the soviet union, it imploded from over reaching. it's history repeating itself, rome, greece, germany, russia... the real hero in all this is gorbachev and bush senior who finally put an end to this ridiculous pissing contest. mainly because neither country could afford the cold war anymore. so who is going to end this ridiculous escalation with domestic guns?
What do you mean imploded from overreaching? Perhaps part of the implosion was the difficulty with maintaining the arms race with such an ineffective economic system. Thus, it would indeed have been the arms race that helped end the cold war, would it not?
As for the insane neo-con ideology of nuclear proliferation leading to disarmament, Reagan squandered billions of dollars and tripled the national deficit. It was the begining of our current economic predicament. It was actually Bush Sr. who ended Reagan's utterly insane build up to threaten the "evil empire". And it was neo-cons who made Bush Sr. pay for doing the right thing with Gorbachev. It's the same ridiculous political dogma in regards to proliferation of domestic weapons.
There is a considerable number of historians who suggest that it was Reagan's buildup of military that led to the demise of the soviet union, but I am not sure of this. And certainly I do not support the defecit spending of Reagan or any politician for that matter.
Yes, there is some consensus the Soviet Union, in trying to match Reagan's insane nuclear spending, made itself irreversibly broke, then crumbled from financial ruin.
Of course, they will tell that's what they were planning all along. Umm, yeah right. It was a race to see who would go broke first?! And everyone else thought it was a race to annihilate the planet.
frank, you crack me up. fake quotes from freud? lol. actually thanks, i just watched a documentary on freud, interesting fellow. but seriously, during W W I frued noticed man has another primary need besides sex. and that's to destroy himself. The book is called "Beyond the Pleasure Principle". guess that's where guns and wars come in, just following your basic primevil instincts frank?
Now, about Vietnam: the Chinese only supplied weapons and marginal training, just as the U.S. has done for many other regional wars. No one calls those regional wars, wars with the U.S. The fact is the Vietnamese people fought and died for their cause. There were no Chinese casualties to speak of.
The Civil War was a war of human subjugation, so no wonder the North had superiority in numbers and ideology. And ideology is critical to winning wars. Also, what's your excuse for Korea?
First of all, Red Dawn was a terrible movie (personal opinion) that had to do with a What-If Cold War Russian invasion. It was not about revolting against the U.S. government, as the gov't leads the assault with the citizenry, so "Red Dawn fantasy" is a misnomer.
Iraq is hardly mission accomplished. Many have simply dug into the rugged terrain of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where we are still pursuing them today. It'll take more than just guns and bombs; we must destroy their ideology.
The concept spoke of is actually older than firearms. Possession of weapons for self-defense has been the bench mark of a free person for over 2,000 years. Around 300 BC, Aristotle drew the proverbial line in the sand and stated A man with a sword is a Citizen, a man without a sword is a Subject. Some 200 years ago, the founders of America reiterated the same with the 2nd Amendment. The only thing that has changed in 2000 years has been the technology.
the last 3000 years have been nothing but one war after the other, multiple wars going on every minute of every day. there's your need and reason for weaponry, it's not some fundamental freedom in a civil society, you're idealizing an inanimate object. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", is another cliche. aren't you tired of the bloodshed? if not, then keep your society armed to the teeth.
In the last 100 years there have been more people killed by their own government than all the wars combined for the same period (6 million jews alone in Germany and Stalin was worse), but government is a necessary evil, so is the right of self-defense. People who want to ban guns really want a world without conflict but that is never going to happen. Without weapons to defend ones self we simply revert back to the law of the jungle and only the strong survive.
the revolutionary war ended in 1783, the constitution ratified in 1788 and the bill of rights 1791. There was no "long after" for the 2nd amendment. If complete governments and countries toppled to Hitler and Stalin, how is it armed citizens could have stopped them? They tried and failed. There is no basis to this argument. That whole "law of the jungle" without weapons is just bizzarre.
One of Americas founders, Patrick Henry stated Give me liberty or death in that statement he illustrated that freedom was more important than life itself. Death is inevitable, liberty is not. Another founder, Ben Franklin explained that those who would give up their liberty for safety deserve neither
You're like this "hit and run" debater for the NRA. Start so many fires they can't put them all out. Stop being a tool for the NRA. The NRA is an invention of gun makers who's real purpose is to make money. They don't care how many people die. Their product has one use and that's to end life.
Of course Hitler and Stalin subjugated armed populaces. You live in a Red Dawn fantasy. If Japan wasn't an armed populace, why did we atom bomb a 1/4 million unknowing, unarmed civilians?
The NRA is at least 1/3 Democrat. I know you'd love to stereotype, but...
Also, just like some people like to shoot bows and arrows (an item originally designed to kill things) as a sport, many people shoot guns at paper targets as a sport. You need breath control, good hand-eye coordination, etc.
If you review history, Japan was bombed because of it's suicidal tendency (even children were being trained in the final days) and unwillingness to forfeit (which is somewhat understandable).
So the nra is 2/3 conservative, pretty much what I was saying. People who backed Bush expanding government intrusion on civil liberty. Sounds like the gun lobby, i.e. nra, is only concerned about gun rights, not individual rights. Go figure, you'd think they were just lobbiest for gun manufacturers. Unlike (sarcasm) fiscal neo-cons who haven't balanced a national budget in well, NEVER! Somehow "tax and spend" Bill Clinton did.
Yes bow and arrow kills. Yes targets are practice.
Actually, only 1/3 of the NRA identifies itself as conservative or "Republican". The other 1/3 1)purposefully chose not to identify either way (most likely moderates), 2)libertarian (about 12%), 3)do not consider politics. When the USA PATRIOT Act was being passed, the NRA actually voiced its disgust. This is because the NRA membership reflected its disgust to the leadership. I agree that modern neo-cons have absolutely failed to balance the budget but that is irrelevant to this discussion.
i don't think your numbers reflect the nra's voting record or contributions. it's clearly a republican animal. the patriot act is a republican animal too. what people say on some questionaire is phooey, and more than likely padded to look more inclusive than it really is. it's what they do, the nra, it's all propaganda. it's this obsession with a gun, this blown up idealism that a gun represents freedom. it's an inanimate object that does more harm than good. it's blood money.
Tomitstube, as much as you criticize frankl for being a mouthpiece, you are definitely an anti-gun propagandist. Even when given facts, you conveniently ignore them. The NRA does NOT vote pro-Republican, it votes pro-gun, which often (but not always) aligns with many Republicans. They are most often NOT concerned with other, non-gun related, political issues. They do NOT lobby for Republican causes or Republican political issues. They only care about preserving gun rights.
you pretty much reiterated what I've said. let's sum this up shall we? "i ignore nra 'facts'". yes! the nra doesn't care about anything but guns. yes! the nra almost always gives money to pro gun republicans. yes! there by directly supporting the consevative agenda. yes! the nra is a gun business. yes! I am a mouthpiece against the insanity of guns representing freedom. yes! i am a mouthpiece for gun control. yes! i am a mouthpiece for common sense. yes!
I think YouTube doesn't like any HTML at all. Here's a peer-reviewed scientific study, with NO pro-gun funding, from a liberal university: "Gun shows do not increase homicides or suicides" at the University of Michigan. You need to search their main site as YT won't let me post the direct link. I have tons of independent scientific studies showing guns have overall beneficial effects and/or do not contribute to homicide/suicide. How many real facts are you willing to ignore?
Oh and feel free to private msg me with your email address, as the offer for you is still open. I will email the citations of actualy scientific studies that have been peer-reviewed and feature no funding from ANY pro-gun organization. There are very few studies that show guns are detrimental. A larger number of studies show pro-gun effects.
Clearly, this is a discussion that's going nowhere. When you're ready to look at the scientific evidence or think rationally, you let me know.
Wow! It's clear now... Figgy works for the nra or has a vested interest in the sale of guns. Put those fires out eh Figgy? We can't have dissention with 'merica's gun worship. Kinda like dick and dubya lying about the reasons to invade Iraq. MUST SQUASH DISSENTION!! Bringing out the "tons" of LOL "scientific studies showing guns have overall beneficial effects". I didn't know guns were nutritious! [ guns = death ] C'mon guys you know it's true, why is it so hard to admit the obvious?
Tomitstube, I'm Muslim -- I was NEVER ok with the invasion of Iraq. Gee... can you imagine why? I support guns because they save more lives than kill, they enable my citizenship unlike any other country, they assure my safety when I visit unsafe parts of Detroit and other shady places, they're an important part of America's culture, and finally because I enjoy the shooting sports. My offer is still open, if you even know what peer-reviewed, independent study is.
one other thing figgy. bad neighborhoods and crime are symptoms of larger societal problems which gun lobbies and conservatives in general like to ignore. as with guns, their solutions are simple minded and futile. buy a gun - build more jails. they can't be bothered with deeper issues. everything is black/white, right/wrong, good evil...
guns only add to the problem, it's just common sense. mortality rates don't lie, it's glaring fact that you want to ignore and/or rationalize.
Your quotes of Patrick Henry and Ben Franklin are so out of context it's laughable. They're speaking about liberty, not shooting uzis or concealed weapons. In fact Franklin is more in tune with what Bush did after 9-11. Wire tapping, holding people with out a lawyer or due process, ignoring the Geneva convention against torture of prisoners, silencing domestic dissention... it's about sacrificing civil liberty for propaganda. Funny how gun owners as a whole had no problem with this shit.
Wow a pretty girl who understands my cause. The reason the second amendment is the most important because it is vital to own guns to defend the first amendment and all the others the 2nd amendment should also be used to prevent abuse of the first. If the government comes to take my guns I will first blow the brains out of the fellow that came to take my guns then go out the back with my guns.
112Wv 2 years ago
"white guys"?? lol, what a self racist. 0:28
Timb0NZ 2 years ago
Smart girl.
I agree ++++
pittsky 2 years ago
We have more deaths with drunk driving then with guns. If you do not think its true
just ask Ted Kennday Oh I forgot he is dead but you can ask someone in the Kennday family if they will admit to it.
Ted Kendays Car Had Kill More People Then My Gun.
Captb55806 2 years ago
Wow, your school lets you memorize this, I wish I went to your school. If you mention the word gun in my school, you get expelled and maybe even investigated by the police. Damn Liberals.
xgmb45 2 years ago
You are full of win.
I'm doing a persuasive speech for school on why gun laws are strict, and in some ways nonsensical. (For example, bombs being easier to get legally than machine guns, via government regulation.)
Your presentation of Heston's speech is very inspirational. Thank you.
lamarbrog 2 years ago
i'm likin the crap about the "redcoats."
i guess heston didn't realize that our homeland hasn't been invaded for nearly 200 years...obsolete much?
grovecityfan 2 years ago
japan didn't invade because they knew the U.S. had a high rate of gun ownership. "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Isoroku Yamamoto (Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy)
Timb0NZ 2 years ago
RIP Charlton Heston, we need more young smart people like you that are willing to speak of what is right.
god bless.
Zaugger 2 years ago
One right is not more important than another.
ThomasCBrannan 2 years ago
The one and only purpose of a gun is to kill. How do you intend to create a better world by killing? And please, don't give me that "protecting" bullshit.
If you ask me, the only thing that can create a better world is the truth, and the truth in this case is that if there were no guns in the world then nobody would ever get killed by one. But please, do tell me how you intend to make the world better and safer by pointing guns.
Paddis92 2 years ago
Paddis, you're exactly the type of pussy that ends up watching their family get raped because you are too selfish to arm yourself and defend yours.
Sorry, but "protecting" isn't bullshit. Twice in my life has a gun protected me from harm. If you don't want to own a gun. Fine. Enjoy your false sense of security. But don't tell me I don't have the right to defend myself or my family.
For every gun crime there are thousands of people owning and using guns properly. Safely.
CyberData4 2 years ago
I love it when people judge me on the internet. =)
I don't quite understand how I'm selfish when I don't want to harm others, which is what I'd do with my gun. I have never in my life been attacked, and guess what? I've never had a gun either.
Using a gun properly is using it to harm others since that is the reason you have a gun, right? Well is that's the case, how can it be safe?
Paddis92 2 years ago
you are the same dumbfuck pacifist that would have let hitler take over the world and commit genocide on multiple millions more. guns have SAVED more lives than they've taken, you IGNORANT dumbfuck!!
CattleRanche 2 years ago
What abt retarded drivers, kitchen knives, rocks, falling debris, water,
nitinsharma1000 2 years ago
you stupid limp dick moron?? do you think terrorists, murderers, rapists, mafia lords, gangsters, thieves and every other cum stain on society are going to stop using guns because they are outlawed? how fucking STUPID can you be? maybe it will be your daughter or mother getting raped in her house with no way to defend herself next time and then you will think differently. move your fucking asses to england if you dont' like it here.dumbass and braindead is what you are.
CattleRanche 2 years ago
I love to read these comments, it's quite funny to see how upset people can get on the internet.
What I'm saying is simply that if there are no guns in the world, nobody would ever have to be killed by one. What's so hard to understand about that?
The problem now becomes that you can't say anything to prove that I'm wrong, because I'm simply not - it's impossible. Just like you wouldn't be able to "defend" yourself with one, no one would be able to attack you with one.
Paddis92 2 years ago
if there was no HIV people wouldn't die from aids....if there were no cars people wouldn't die from car wrecks. if there was no smoking people wouldn't die from cancer. what you are saying makes very little sense?? would you prefer they use knives? if not knives, then rocks? no rocks?...sticks then? murderers are going to kill no matter what.
CattleRanche 2 years ago
A knife is not as lethal as a gun, and it's purpose is not only to harm other beings. You can use a gun, a stick and a rock for all kinds of things but you can only use a gun to harm others or for sports.
Of course people are going to kill each other no matter what, even if you'd remove all guns. The problem that I have however is that people praise guns as if they're good things. I don't see people praising HIV or cancer.
Paddis92 2 years ago
of course they are...but i'm pretty sure the gun helps.
think about how much the crime rate would be reduced if handguns (not hunting weapons) were outlawed. when the convenience of guns is removed from society, the willingness to kill becomes less and less (as do gun-related accidents.)
grovecityfan 2 years ago
OMG you are a pussy ass europissan SWEDE!! maybe a swastika carved on your forehead or in your ass cheek would make you a little stronger proponent for guns!!
CattleRanche 2 years ago
Bravo! Keep up the awesome work. Thank you for your patriotism.
maejena 2 years ago 2
Hi Emmaline: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot, Bush. Do you believe that by having a gun in your home, that you are equipped to defend against a government gone bad. There are many controls in place in Western countries,
that corruption that is evident in non-Western countries is not likely to happen. You are much more likely to be hit by a bullet in the USA than Canada; I wonder why? I own a
Para 1911, and a Mossberg 500 12 G, but do not have them with me as I drive to work.
bloomfir 2 years ago
In Canada, one of the biggest "control" keeping a government from falling into corruption is the fact that there are roughly 2.5 million people like you as a responsible a firearms owner. For a "government gone bad" to come into fruition, it has to have a complete and total monopoly on lethal force, so as to be able to coerce the population into doing it's bidding, through force if necessary. You owning a gun, challenges that notion and thus keeps the government in check.
nck1572 2 years ago
The irony is you don't have to USE your gun for it to be effective. HAVING it sends a strong enough message and like the millions of licensed Canadian gun owners - you having a gun doesn't necessarily mean you will go out to use it to inflict harm with it. In the US, just as in Canada, the overwhelming majority of gun owners are just like you and me - safe, responsible, and law abiding. It's the slim minority and sensationalist news media that create a false impression otherwise.
nck1572 2 years ago
In a militar country that has more prisons than schools, there should be availability to bear arms upon the circunstances like living in Alaska, however, they rather built more schools and motivate children to read than opening the huge business of wepons that is already tageted in the Army. People should be granted to rather learn the history of weapondry. Things such as : Where the Novel Prize come from? How gangs emerged in USA, what make children become gansters? Who owns the gans?
Harikrishnalove 2 years ago
the second defends the first!
Warbirdguy1 2 years ago 3
Wow, I cannot believe you are Canadian, I initially assumed you must be from somewhere in the deep South. As much as I accept your right to your opinion, you may find that they will change as you mature.
oodnac 2 years ago
Well I have to say that I resent your comment here. Both as a gun owner and as a person who lives in the south. If you want to talk about stereotypes you sound like the typical anti gun liberal who just assumes that all gun owners and people from the south are just a bunch or uneducated idiots. I find that most British and Canadian people are very annoying. You people had your gun rights taken away so all you do now is just run your mouth about America because we still have that right.
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oodnac 2 years ago
thank the good lord for this young lady parents should be proud of her i know i am
527174464ds 2 years ago
Its good to see there are still great conservatives out there that still believe in the constitution and bill of rights. Great Job! Great speech!
volksjager8 2 years ago
In 1938, Nazi Germany implemented gun control measures made it illegal for Jews to own firearms.
We all know what happened within 7 years.
So long as there is a Second Amendment in the US Bill of Rights, widespread, government sponsored genocide against it's own people will never be a reality.
There's a reason why I and so many other Canadians find ourselves living in the States (but still retain our citizenship to mooch off the Canadian welfare and health care systems, without paying taxes).
nck1572 2 years ago
Good riddance. Do you really believe that gun control was the reason the Jewish people were unable to defend themselves against the world's strongest military. I live in Calgary. there are 100,000 American's here who have fled the USA for a safer place to live. Thats 10% of the city's population.
bloomfir 2 years ago
Until recently people left Canada because there were more opportunities for a better living in the US. Also until recently Americans came to Alberta because of the low taxes and booming economy. You should know Alberta has a vibrant gun culture and has one of the most relaxed attitude towards guns in the country. Look at your single LTATT, it probably lets you do things unthinkable in Ontario or Quebec. Compared to some neighborhoods in Toronto, Alberta (Calgary especially) is very safe too.
nck1572 2 years ago
Great job, smart girl with alot of common sense that truly understands what Charleton said, God rest his soul. thanx for the reinforcement of faith in our young students.
bearfootlover71 2 years ago
Great,
If guns kill people then pens misspell words.
highonbeingnormal 2 years ago 3
fuckable bitch, and she knows it
termiblaster 2 years ago
i don´t defend criminals, but have guns and kill each other. Hell, even children had killed other children or themselves for having guns at home. Those were accidents?
I don´t undestand why americans love people that are murders in all the extension of the word.
Gun control? Violence... That´s control.
You should ask a columbian´s student what he thinks about this.
It´s easier when you are pointing with a gun but difficult when you are on the other side of the canon
warmecanic 2 years ago
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TucksAndSkis 2 years ago
Your pretty, Your Smart, You represent the smart young women coming up in America.
But most of all You're right. I'm proud of ya. Good to know there is youth that are thinking of what I thought they cared less about.
They're future ! 5 stars
Snowman374th 2 years ago 2
Thank God for young people like this.
Without the 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment wouldn't last very long.
paintman79 2 years ago 2
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What a moron,well she's an American, what can you expect.
They have all the guns & they have all the gun related crime,as I said morons.
neocontrash 2 years ago
you are a moron
lti12 2 years ago
EXCELLENT! I applaud your choice of speech and your delivery. I truly hope you believe in the speech you are giving!
mag2b 2 years ago
great to see non- liberal youth
hitler42088 2 years ago 2
Great to see that the younger generation still have some common sense! Great speech!
ImForwardlook 2 years ago 5
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mayitpleasethecourt 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this video. I hope people will realize how important it is to keep this amendment as a part of the American Constitution and to make sure the liberals don't take it away. Again, thank you.
samtaekwondo123 2 years ago 3
She is a wonder and a delight to see and hear common sense, intelligent thinking in the younger generations like this! this world is under attack and its NOT politics anymore. we even allowed a President to be elected, who clearly has HATE for our freedoms/Americans and is doing everything to stop us!! SO I say "watch closely now, for the hour is getting late"
beyondalohas 2 years ago 2
It was embarrassing to have that decrepit old fart as the pres of the NRA.
ladySEGOVIA 2 years ago
Wilma, wilma wilma...thanks for demonstrating, "pathetic" and "scenile" for the youtube viewers, you are the voice of the hopeless, the scared and the stupid. Hold that banner high, my friend, hold it high! hahaha
sonofsemele 2 years ago
@wilma789a-
SURE, No Guns for Negroes
We all can agree with that right...
No salvation for the goyims. Hell to the infidels Allah blah blah, all crazy people sound alike, UTTER NONSENSE AND BULLCRAP.
GUngs should be kept away from IDIOTS, that's my arguments. Specially old ones
ASSEZ pute de conard, va te faire enculer putain de merde
nu407 2 years ago
this is the biggest batch of garbage I've ever seen dumped freely on the collective conscience. Again, my best friend growing up, was shot because someone left the gun out on the counter...so a 12 girl dying is worth your safety?
sonofsemele 2 years ago
sonofashemale: You are a confirmed liar. Go spew your lies elswhere. Everyone has the God given right to self defense...(even freak-side shows like you) Who will protect you when some thug wants to inflict violence on you or your loved one? The Police? Watch: 911 without a gun. Fill your head with some facts you perv..Watch: 2a For today for the usa. You simpleton liar..you remind me of Obama and the other Democrats who LIE ..LIE..LIE. Google: Obameter (6 lies thus far) Obama is a Marxist!
wilma789a 2 years ago
Are hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of peoples lives, property, and safety less important than your experience?
jubeigh13 2 years ago
So what? thats not anybody fault. It was an accident i am sure but even if it wasent anything can kill you.
And yes a girl dying is worth my safety. haha! what do i care? lots of bad ugly shit happens in cars..you gunna start walking idiot? Sorry. The cops have guns so so should you. Criminals arent going to not get guns because your little friend dies.
So stop endangering me with your ignorant unamerican and stupid "ideas". weenie.
blastingcaps 2 years ago 2
Good thing for you, you are behind a computer, pretty brave... it was the fault of the gun salesmen for leaving a deadly weapon out on a counter and idiots like you who take guns so casually. Real men fight with fists/hand to hand, but for someone who throws insults at people from behind the computer and someone who would probably never say something like this to anyone's face, you probably prefer to shoot from afar. Like a little coward. Go back to your metal band little pussy, :-)
sonofsemele 2 years ago
Nah, i can fight like a motherfucker. and i dont even own a gun!
hahaha!
And until you ARE a man, dont run around defining what men do or dont do. asshole.
Trust me. But either way, i know i am right.
BTW- Your lying about your story. Get away from guns or you'll deserve if you get shot. THATS WHY WE HAVE THEM AND A SECOND AMENDMENT!! Simple as that, your in America asshole, now shut up.
blastingcaps 2 years ago 3
1. I'm sure you can! Hahaha
2. Good one. What does that even mean?
3. I feel stupider from having talked to you.
and BTW - wouldn't that make you feel better if I was lying? So you can feel better about making such a stupid comment? I assure you, I'm not. Also, thankfully for the first amendment, I can say whatever the fuck I want! God sees everything mother fucker and mocking the dead isn't a great idea... You're worthless, brainless and alone. Have fun going nowhere in life fast.
sonofsemele 2 years ago
Great post...a rapist worst nightmare. Bravo to you brave girl!
wilma789a 2 years ago
Pandering STALKER. I wanna see what your wife looks like. Not the one with last name of : .JPG
I bet you have thought of raping or have actually had done it in your life before, you craze right wing NUT!.
nu407 2 years ago
I don't think you gonna happy when you find out that that girl is actually JEWISh. I know what you extreme right wing think of 'em.
nu407 2 years ago
nu407: I am Jewish you arrogant-stupid racist jerk. JPFO...visit learn and then go fuck yourself trouble maker. Not all of US jews are in favor of being disarmed AGAIN...You make me sick you racist swine. Also, what makes you think that anyone who wants to protect the Constitution which includes the Bill of Rights is 'extreme right wing"? Wow, did you get that verbage directly from the Nazi propagand book or what?
wilma789a 2 years ago
@wilma789a- Well you're one dumb jew then. You're one pathetic, ill-informed, delusional madman. I definitely want a gun with crazy folks like you out there. I want guns outta reach of idiots like you.
In your case, your biggest weapon is your STUPIDITY & Ignorance and you'ren't doing a good job using it. Now spare me the embarassment of being seen arguing with your insignificant-self.
You're a jew after all, you should know about Marxism and Communism.
nu407 2 years ago
nu407: Aside from the name calling do you have a point to make? Why don't you tell me what Jews should know about Marxism & Communism. I refer people to videos and websites that are factual; I mention laws like HR45 (proposed by ex-Convict-ex Black Panther racist-Bob Rush D-IL) that are unlawful and attack our liberties. You? You sling insults at anyone with a different opinion. So far, you have no valid argument. So, educate me..lets hear your facts on whatever it is that you disagree with.
wilma789a 2 years ago
@wilma789a-Educate you? No.. you're too old and delusional, way too deep in your imaginary crazed world. I would have probably lost my "cool guy" card.
2nd, you're the one calling people all kind of names . If you have short term memory, read your previous comments and compare'em to mine.
I showed class and confidence by examining and describing the kinda of individual you're then counter all your nonsense .
JEWS INVENTED MARXISM AND COMMUNISM. LOOK IT UP THEN CALL ME A RACIST, IDIOT
nu407 2 years ago
The Police in England do not carry guns.
There's no need due to the fact that English people dont shoot each other (most of the time)
Put your efforts into something worth talking about.
The Second Amendment isnt as it was when first written. It was valid, but now its just a gun law which kills people.
Grow up kid, look at the other nations around the world who dont use guns.
adadanks 2 years ago
adadanks: aren't you glad your forefathers were content giving the king blowjobs instead of wanting more freedom? You might be an American. Go fuck yourself and mind your own business. YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN you swine. Freedom and courage is something you will never know. May you choke to death on your next sip of tea and crumpets you socialist cock sucker. :)
wilma789a 2 years ago
As a conservative, I would say that YOU are the reason we shouldn't have guns. For someone who is so for the bill of rights you seem to have quite a problem with adadanks' freedom of speech...hm? Please stop making all conservatives look bad with your stupidity, you are the reason we've lost control of the Washington!
sonofsemele 2 years ago 3
Sonofashemale: You are a liar, fake, phoney and a fraud. Now, go play dress up with daddy.
wilma789a 2 years ago
The reason we lost was because republicans tried to win looking like democrats. And republicans lost their way. I do not want a republican to look and sound like a democrat. I want a republican to sound like a republican act like Reagan. That is why we lost.
luisetb 2 years ago
You mean before reagan there was no such thing as republican or conservative?
nu407 2 years ago
So u telling me that rights change according with time? What will happen when someone decides, that freedom of speech and liberty of the press are dangerous? When you try to cancel a right, because is a different time, you are practiccally comdemning the rest of to the same fate.
luisetb 2 years ago
Wilma is a closet liberal who can't spell, how sad. Another non-conservative trait...illiteracy.
Luisetb, the reason we lost is because our party has resorted to fear tactics and nonsensical tirades against our worthy competition in the liberal party. If we evolve and get out of the Regan era, the conservatives of tomorrow will have relevance in a changing world. Guns don't help anyone, my best friend growing up shot herself by reaching for a gun that someone had left out. She was 8.
sonofsemele 2 years ago
Seldom have I heard such stupidity.
Guns kill people, thats all they ever do.
America has one of the highest rates gun related death rates in the world.
adadanks 2 years ago
The right to arms... the right from which all our freedoms are derived.
igloo4345 2 years ago
*****
leitermann 2 years ago
This girl is pretty sharp!
An excellent speaker and presenter.
She doesn't even need a teleprompter like that boob Obama...
fignonlost 2 years ago
from my cold dead hands you dam dirty apes!
LAgarza666 2 years ago
I love my guns!
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RetardedAdult 2 years ago
Wow, seriously cute! And smart too. :)
928sniper 2 years ago
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"Evil Empire" is a Reagan quote demonizing Russia, it was tied to W's "Evil" quotes, like the cold war is tied to McCarthy and the "Red Scare", which is tied to the same rhetoric used against gun control advocates and liberals being called pinko commies etc. It's all tied together, this "culteral" nightmare. This "creation" of "enemy combatants" to incite fear and hostility. C'mon labor, why are you pretending not to get this? It's the same rhetoric Heston & the nra espouse to. Poor girl.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Oh BTW, tomitstube, this discussion is about guns. It has nothing to do with Bush, Cheney, alternative fuels, the 2nd Iraq War or whatever nonsense you want to bring up. Please, stick to the topic.
Fact is, everyone loves to bash "evil white people," but it's only in the U.S. that I've found myself truly equal and part of that equality arises from me being able to bear arms (so long as I abide by the laws) -- just like the "white man". No other country offers that sort of Citizenship.
figgypower 2 years ago
You're admonishing me for subjects you brought up?! Seriously?!
Europeans are smart not to provide Muslims arms. It's insane enough that the Netherlands has, and England is contemplating a moratorium of satire on Islam, and by Christians no less. I've never heard anything so ridiculous.
You're talking about Muslims rising up against Christian oppression and want those governments to provide them with arms? Insanity!
tomitstube 2 years ago
Woah, woah, woah. Where did I suggest Muslims should rise up against non-existent "Christian oppression"? The "Europeans are smart not to provide Muslims arms"? Wow -- that sounds kinda racist. It's cool for non-Muslims to be armed, right? Shouldn't someone's right to bear arms be based on citizenship, their ability to abide by the laws and customs of the nation?
I've never, ever considered sowing insurrection against the United States.
Wow... so truth is you're an anti-gun and racist.
figgypower 2 years ago
Oh ya... Tomitstube, another thing -- I've actually lived in a 3rd world country and I have a first hand account of what its like to live in a socialist environment: it SUCKS. My family has only flourished and NOT STARVED thanks to the U.S. Finally, I would've supported the Iraq War more if it actually had anything do with terrorists. Not disputing Saddam Hussein was a psycho, but we've bred terrorists since that country's invasion.
figgypower 2 years ago
well fig, i guess you would have a better perspective on things living in a mulsim country. i've lived in asia and europe and have spent time in canada and central america, so who's got the better perspective? btw what muslim country is socialist? none i've heard of, they're biggest problems are theocratic. I live in a major city too, so you ain't got nothin on me there either. I went to a conservative college. i actually got penalized grade wise for opposition to right wing rhetoric.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Did I say I was from a Muslim country? For the record, India has a large Muslim population and has only recently instituted capitalistic reforms. Same thing with Bangladesh. A lot of Muslim countries have strict theocracies or autocracies, but their economic policies are often socialist (like Iraq under Hussein). Also lived/been to Asia, Europe, Canada, and Central America. I'll take USA.
I'm honestly sorry you're penalized fr your grades; that's a restriction on your 1st amendment rights.
figgypower 2 years ago
Oh yeah, also lots of Eastern European countries have large Muslim populations (some formerly socialist). The Europeans try to ethnically cleanse us every now and then (it's usually Jewish people). It's not like the Iraq War -- they specifically hunt us down. And of course, it's not like Muslims in those European countries could rise up and defend themselves -- because, even if a firearm licensing system exists (unlikely), they're usually categorically denied. So, we get to die and be raped.
figgypower 2 years ago
Yeah, I guess it's touchy for Muslims in Europe. Apparently Islam doesn't like irony. Shooting Theo Van Gogh 6 times, and pinning a 5 page note to his chest tends to get people riled up. Socialist or not, they have free speech, and it would seem Muslims are trying force theocratic dogma. Not gonna happen. If Muslims continue to force this issue it will not bode well for them. What is their problem? Fatwa is nothing more than a mafia hit job. Either assimilate or stay where they're at.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Oh wow. Are you seriously comparing me to fanatics?! What -- you think I believe fatwas are legitimate? You think I don't believe making fun of Muslims is totally everyone's right? I mean, I do believe in all the Amendments. It is someone's 1st Amendment right to mock and satire.
Seriously, how many Muslims do you think are psycho? Do you just see a brown guy, figure if he's not Hispanic/Latino, that he'll probably strap a bomb to his chest?
figgypower 2 years ago
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A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity Sigmund Freud
frankl1955 2 years ago
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity Sigmund Freud
frankl1955 2 years ago
BTW, an inanimate object cannot do harm or good. That's why it's *inanimate*. The National Crime Survey indicates there are at least 80,000 legitimate defensive uses of firearms annually; all other scientific studies show even more. Cars, another inanimate object, kill more people than guns. That's not including deaths due to urban sprawl and pollution. Yet, are you railing against cars? I'd love to email you scientific citations, so plz private msg me sometime.
figgypower 2 years ago
Finally, let me spell out rebelling against the government, since you don't understand. First, it is an absolute last measure when ALL else has failed.
Second, the U.S. military is extremely dependent on maintaining a supply chain (turns out to be true for any good military). Not easy to do when you're in "enemy" territory. Third, parts of the U.S. military would go rogue. Fourth, you'll be dealing with AT LEAST 30 million armed citizens. Iraq, Vietnam, Korea don't have those numbers.
figgypower 2 years ago
LOL I not going to argue this uprising scenario. It sounds like a sequel to Red Dawn. Citizens had picnics watching the Civil War start. Your speculating on this clear cut "good vs evil" thing that so many gun people do, it just don't work that way.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Tomitstube, I can tell you're being cornered. I never claimed a "good vs evil" thing, so I'm not sure where you got that from. I'm readily aware the world and reality is in shades of gray. That reality, that rationale should tell you immediately not to irrationally fear inanimate objects.
Obviously, a civilian uprising is speculation and I'd very much like to keep it that way. You still have not countered the overwhelming proof of defensive uses of firearms annually.
figgypower 2 years ago
oh puleeze, i'm being cornered?! i am merely trying to put a cap on this conversation because your end of it is deteriorating. defensive uses of firearms? against other firearms? are you getting the idiocy of these studies? scientific???? what, did they try guns vs. guns, then guns vs. marshmallows, then determine guns are good for defense? i guess the 20,000 gun deaths a year are a figment of everyones imagination. how much is the nra paying you?
tomitstube 2 years ago
When I say scientific studies I mean they're in mainstream scientific journals. These, by their very nature, are neutrally funded. Do you know what the scientific method is and how academic publishing works? Please, dispute the UofM study I posted. Here's another study: "The Impact of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Ban..." by Koper and Roth at the University of Pennsylvania; they found: "no evidence of reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations."
figgypower 2 years ago
Figgypower, Dont waste your time with tomitstube, he, she, or it does not care about facts and probably thing Bush owns the oil companies and Fahrenheit 911 was a documentary.
frankl1955 2 years ago
You're showing your true colors Figgy, Michigan is a "liberal" University? Why, because it's public? "Gun shows don't increase homicides or suicides". LOL, what an inane study! Someone contemplating murder or suicide is gonna stop by a gun show to window shop? You say "guns don't contribute to suicide/homicide". Duh!!! Guns are the best tool for carrying out suicide/homicide. Focus Figgy, guns are tools for death. Admit the obvious and quit playing games with irrelevant studies.
tomitstube 2 years ago
WOW! You are complete moron if you don't take Michigan for a "liberal" university. Not because it's a public institution, but because of the specific academic environment it's fostered. Go ahead and ask around. It's also a really good university. Go ahead and look up its rankings. I would gladly look them up for you, but YT refuses to allow me to link to it. Also, I WENT TO UofM for a few years. I can't debate a moron.
figgypower 2 years ago
If you want to play smoke and mirrors with inane research data, fine. Here's some facts to stick in your research pipe...
2005 gun violence statistics: All Fact...
12,352 homicides
17,002 suicides
789 unintentional shootings
221 undetermined
= 30, 694 gun deaths in one year, 2005.
Only in America. Thanks nra and supporters. The top award for hypocricy is yours... again.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Aww... tomitstube has learned how to use mortality statistics. In that SAME YEAR there were 47,894 people who died from cars; THAT'S MORE TOTAL AND MORE PER CAPITA DEATHS. That does not include deaths from asthma due to care pollution, or obesity result from cars' urban sprawl. Using your line of logic, we must BAN CARS IMMEDIATELY!! I mean clearly, blaming an inanimate object will solve problems.
figgypower 2 years ago
well Fig, looks like we've hit a nerve with the gun mortality reality. there's really no arguing those kinds of numbers is there? just the price of doing business Figgy? 30,000 people a year have to die so you and frank can shoot paper cut outs?
you're comparing guns to cars?! c'mon Figgy where's the logic in that? knives, cars provide benefits in everyday life. guns just kill.
pollution and obesity?! LOL i've been saying alternative fuel for years, way ahead of the game there.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Ahead of the curve? If you actually read any of the scientific studies, you'd know alternative fuels are often LESS efficient than gasoline. That means you BURN more alternative fuel.
Most gun mortality is in big cities with strict gun control, which are always counter productive. Look at Chicago and its homicide rate, especially firearm homicides. Look at Chicago's gun control. Same thing with LA, New York, and on and on. And for millions of Americans, guns are very practical.
figgypower 2 years ago
Figgy, you are wrong again. The rural south's where most people die by guns - per population. White rednecks who love geezus, fried chicken and guns. Guns have no practical use, what a nutty thing to say. They don't get you to work, they don't tuck you in, they don't pay the bills (unless you're the gun manufacturer or the nra). They have one purpose and that's to end life. All those European countrys COMBINED have less gun deaths per year. It's OBVIOUS, gun control saves lives.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Obviously, Europe has lower gun deaths per year, because their culture is devoid of a simple concept like the right of self-defense. For example, you can and will get prosecuted in the UK for hitting someone who is trying to rob your house. Again, I would provide direct links to cases, but YT will not let me.
But, you know what, this is going nowhere and I clearly cannot continue a logical discussion with a RACIST. Have fun lying, nutbag.
figgypower 2 years ago
Oh yeah, feel free to check ANY European country's violent crime rate -- it's almost always WAY above the U.S. For example, in the UK, the violent knife crime alone (278+ per capita) exceeds US violent gun (91 per capita) and knife crime combined (122 per capita).
figgypower 2 years ago 2
Figgy, I know this tomitstube or at least his, hers, or its ilk. Your wasting your time. Laugh at him, her, or it and move on.
frankl1955 2 years ago 2
Frankl, you're right. I'm just going to ignore this video and move on. People like you keep America free and keep alive the ideal that is America. I'm glad there's people like you to counterbalance the racist, anti-gun, nutbags.
figgypower 2 years ago
LOL so you're gonna call me a racist and run? ya know if you're gonna call me a racist, you could at least quote me correctly and in context with what i said. I'll quote you correctly, "it's not like Muslims in those European countries could rise up and defend themselves". I notice you chose to ignore my remarks about rednecks. maybe you should move on... another ridiculous statement by you, "obviously EU has lower gun deaths.. they're devoid of the right of self defense".
tomitstube 2 years ago
Hey Frank, got any more Freud quotes? Did you know Freud prescribed cocaine to a friend who was addicted to morphine? LOL, he became addicted to morphine AND cocaine, then died from overdose. Hilarious!!
tomitstube 2 years ago
How bout this Figgy, Europe has substantially less gun deaths per year... uhh, because they have less guns?! Too obvious?
So long Figgy, your mocked indignation is hilarious.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Tom, you seem to be implying that the majority (or at least a significantly large minority) of gun crimes are committed with legally purchased weaponry. This cannot be further from the truth, as almost all gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. If you criminalize the possession of guns, you do nothing to curb the use of illegal guns, and actually put up a block for law-abiding citizens to purchase defensive weapons of their own.
laborwage 2 years ago 3
laborwage, dissention is a word, look it up. Seriously, you need an elaboration of causation for crime? So you live under a rock? Poverty, jobs, discrimnination, lack of good education-schools, you're familiar with how tax codes work and how gated rich neighborhoods get all the amenities while the poor virtually get nothing? What is "where does it all end"? At what point do you and the nra say enough is enough? Ever? Is it like nuclear proliferation? Is 280 million guns not enough?
tomitstube 2 years ago
Dissension is a word, Dissention is not. So all of those factors you listed are correlated to crime, but none have been shown to cause crime. As a matter of fact, Sowell has pointed out that the most important causes of crime are probably endemic cultural factors. Also, it is by no means clear that racial discrimination is at all evident to a significant degree in the U.S. workforce (Economic Facts and Fallacies, Sowell). It is also not at all clear that more guns cause more crime.
laborwage 2 years ago 2
Also, nuclear proliferation, many game theorists have pointed out, has resulted in a DECREASE in armed conflict, because of the concept of mutually assured destruction. And your assertion elsewhere that most gun crimes are commited by rednecks in the country is completely false, as the majority of crime in general occurs in the inner cities at the hands of young, black males mostly involved in drug related altrecations. The causes of which are not certain but the fact still stands.
laborwage 2 years ago 2
lol, According to my Websters Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, it's dissension, also dissention. I guess you can argue with Webster. You're paraphrasing Thomas Sowell, who is in the minority with his causation of crime theory. He actually says blacks were better off before civil rights. He cites marriage-divorce records as proof. Conservatives are quacks no matter their skin color. According to you two, rich affluent neighborhoods should be rife with crime since poverty isn't a factor.
tomitstube 2 years ago
I'll take your word for the dissention/dissension thing. As for Thomas Sowell having the minority opinion, of course he does when you compare him to sociologists, most of whom are the lughing stock of the scientific community due to their disregard for the scientific method and their rampant politicization of science. Blacks were not better off before civil rights and he never says this. What he does say is that the gains made by blacks on all categories were radically slowed, and some
laborwage 2 years ago 2
reversed in the wake not of civil rights legislation (which he wholeheartedly supports) but of the social programs of the 60s. Economists are in general consensus that the incentives and constraints of welfare policies are not conducive to curbing poverty, and are in fact supportive of crime and illegitemacy increases. And as far as the prediction that the rich should be causing as much crime as the poor; it happens to be that the same cultural factors that predispose a people to crime
laborwage 2 years ago 2
also predispose them to poverty. That is, a cracker culture of low priorities on steady work, high propensities to violence, and so forth.
laborwage 2 years ago
About Sowell's cultural cause you gleefully state. Sowell cites "geography" as causation for defining cultural success, but changes his mind when it comes to geography (or environment) when relating to causation for crime. It's a contradiction. This would include all environmental causation Sowell dismisses.
The stats on gun deaths in the rural south are part of a study relating to death per population. Per 1000 people, or something similar, the rural south is the most deadly by gun.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Please point me in the direction of this study you cite, I would like to read it. And can you rephrase your point on geography? I'm not quite sure what you mean. Thanks.
laborwage 2 years ago
I will have to get back with you on the population study with gun fatalities as I don't remember the source, only the finding.
tomitstube 2 years ago
About Sowell - In "Race & Culture, Migrations & Culture, Conquests & Culture", he outlines fallacies of racial genetics for why one culture dominates another. "Geography" is a cause of his. This is supported by J. Diamonds "Guns, Steel, & Germs", book and documentary. The problem is Sowell abandons this rationale in favor of political theory when describing the same scenario domestically. i.e. a cultural cause over the environment (geography) cause. It's a politicized contradiction.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Sowell makes the point that geography can be a factor in cultural development. That is, based on geography and the ecoonomic consequences of it, some peoples develop a culture more conducive to dilligence and peace and less conducive to sloth and conflict, because in stable areas, productive efforts and delayed gratification are rewarded. In the U.S. today, those groups that have inhereted a culture that was developed in the scottish highlands lag behind other groups. Where is the contradiction
laborwage 2 years ago 2
LOL Exactly!! Who would benefit from a race to annhilate the planet?! Apparently you didn't read into my sarcasm. You don't think it's just a little insane to take the planet to the brink of self destruction over ideology? We can blow you up 20 times, well we can blow you up 30 times... meanwhile millions of people starve and die of aides... Gawd bless our guns... yeehaw!!! And people wonder why we've fallen off our pedestal. I was serious when I voted for change.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Seriously uninformed if you voted for Obama. He's a puppet the same as Bush was.
You idiots so eager to make history you insured that we'd have more of the same.
Thanks for voting!
wastedwhiteguy6978 2 years ago
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nobody's as bad as bush, except well reagan, but you're quite welcome. anything i can do to annoy the gawd, guns and goober demographic.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Nobody is as bad as Bush.....Except every other Puppet president excepting The possibility of JFK who actually tried to fight the real reasons behind the bullshit and was killed for it.
In the last hundred years or so we've had 1 "half way decent" president. (JFK). No I'm not a Liberal....I'm a Constitutionalist and JFK regardless of his previous policies proved that he actually cared about this country.
If you're fighting God and guns then you're not worthy of being called American.
wastedwhiteguy6978 2 years ago
Tom, I'm not sure I see your point. Certainly no rational thinker would advocate war and an arms race as a valid alternative use of resources. But the reality is such that often times, detterence is neccesary. And although you seem to be a mindful individual intent on helping the less fortunate, there are many people in this world that prefer to murder, conquer and enslave; something that would certainly result for most of the world had the soviet union not been contained when it was.
laborwage 2 years ago 3
Believe me, I'm a realist, I know bad things happen to good people. I know tyranny exists and I have no problem scouring the planet to kill the last member of the Taliban. It's this invented "evil doer", "axis of evil", "evil empire", "carrot and stick", bullshit that I hope has run it's course. When will Americans wake up and realize the only way reagan conservatism, domestic or foreign, makes any sense, is by creating an enemy? "murder, conquer, enslave"? Who you talking about? Us?
tomitstube 2 years ago
I think we are speaking about two different things. I was reffering to the situation towards the end of the cold war. You seem to be talking about the current situation, or at least the circumstances of the George W era.
laborwage 2 years ago 2
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no, we're talking about the same thing. why are you justifying extrodinary waste to accomplish nothing? we didn't contain the soviet union, it imploded from over reaching. it's history repeating itself, rome, greece, germany, russia... the real hero in all this is gorbachev and bush senior who finally put an end to this ridiculous pissing contest. mainly because neither country could afford the cold war anymore. so who is going to end this ridiculous escalation with domestic guns?
tomitstube 2 years ago
What do you mean imploded from overreaching? Perhaps part of the implosion was the difficulty with maintaining the arms race with such an ineffective economic system. Thus, it would indeed have been the arms race that helped end the cold war, would it not?
laborwage 2 years ago 3
As for the insane neo-con ideology of nuclear proliferation leading to disarmament, Reagan squandered billions of dollars and tripled the national deficit. It was the begining of our current economic predicament. It was actually Bush Sr. who ended Reagan's utterly insane build up to threaten the "evil empire". And it was neo-cons who made Bush Sr. pay for doing the right thing with Gorbachev. It's the same ridiculous political dogma in regards to proliferation of domestic weapons.
tomitstube 2 years ago
There is a considerable number of historians who suggest that it was Reagan's buildup of military that led to the demise of the soviet union, but I am not sure of this. And certainly I do not support the defecit spending of Reagan or any politician for that matter.
laborwage 2 years ago 3
Yes, there is some consensus the Soviet Union, in trying to match Reagan's insane nuclear spending, made itself irreversibly broke, then crumbled from financial ruin.
Of course, they will tell that's what they were planning all along. Umm, yeah right. It was a race to see who would go broke first?! And everyone else thought it was a race to annihilate the planet.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Why would people think it was a race to annihalate the planet? Who would benefit from that?
laborwage 2 years ago
Figgypower According Sigmund Freud, tomitstube is an adolescent or a really dumb adult, dont waste your time.
frankl1955 2 years ago
frank, you crack me up. fake quotes from freud? lol. actually thanks, i just watched a documentary on freud, interesting fellow. but seriously, during W W I frued noticed man has another primary need besides sex. and that's to destroy himself. The book is called "Beyond the Pleasure Principle". guess that's where guns and wars come in, just following your basic primevil instincts frank?
tomitstube 2 years ago
Now, about Vietnam: the Chinese only supplied weapons and marginal training, just as the U.S. has done for many other regional wars. No one calls those regional wars, wars with the U.S. The fact is the Vietnamese people fought and died for their cause. There were no Chinese casualties to speak of.
The Civil War was a war of human subjugation, so no wonder the North had superiority in numbers and ideology. And ideology is critical to winning wars. Also, what's your excuse for Korea?
figgypower 2 years ago
First of all, Red Dawn was a terrible movie (personal opinion) that had to do with a What-If Cold War Russian invasion. It was not about revolting against the U.S. government, as the gov't leads the assault with the citizenry, so "Red Dawn fantasy" is a misnomer.
Iraq is hardly mission accomplished. Many have simply dug into the rugged terrain of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where we are still pursuing them today. It'll take more than just guns and bombs; we must destroy their ideology.
figgypower 2 years ago
The concept spoke of is actually older than firearms. Possession of weapons for self-defense has been the bench mark of a free person for over 2,000 years. Around 300 BC, Aristotle drew the proverbial line in the sand and stated A man with a sword is a Citizen, a man without a sword is a Subject. Some 200 years ago, the founders of America reiterated the same with the 2nd Amendment. The only thing that has changed in 2000 years has been the technology.
frankl1955 2 years ago
the last 3000 years have been nothing but one war after the other, multiple wars going on every minute of every day. there's your need and reason for weaponry, it's not some fundamental freedom in a civil society, you're idealizing an inanimate object. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", is another cliche. aren't you tired of the bloodshed? if not, then keep your society armed to the teeth.
tomitstube 2 years ago
In the last 100 years there have been more people killed by their own government than all the wars combined for the same period (6 million jews alone in Germany and Stalin was worse), but government is a necessary evil, so is the right of self-defense. People who want to ban guns really want a world without conflict but that is never going to happen. Without weapons to defend ones self we simply revert back to the law of the jungle and only the strong survive.
frankl1955 2 years ago
the revolutionary war ended in 1783, the constitution ratified in 1788 and the bill of rights 1791. There was no "long after" for the 2nd amendment. If complete governments and countries toppled to Hitler and Stalin, how is it armed citizens could have stopped them? They tried and failed. There is no basis to this argument. That whole "law of the jungle" without weapons is just bizzarre.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Hitler never subjugated an armed populace and Japan was warned not to try.
As Admiral Yamamoto put it: You cannot invade the mainland United States, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.
frankl1955 2 years ago
One of Americas founders, Patrick Henry stated Give me liberty or death in that statement he illustrated that freedom was more important than life itself. Death is inevitable, liberty is not. Another founder, Ben Franklin explained that those who would give up their liberty for safety deserve neither
frankl1955 2 years ago
You're like this "hit and run" debater for the NRA. Start so many fires they can't put them all out. Stop being a tool for the NRA. The NRA is an invention of gun makers who's real purpose is to make money. They don't care how many people die. Their product has one use and that's to end life.
Of course Hitler and Stalin subjugated armed populaces. You live in a Red Dawn fantasy. If Japan wasn't an armed populace, why did we atom bomb a 1/4 million unknowing, unarmed civilians?
tomitstube 2 years ago
The NRA is at least 1/3 Democrat. I know you'd love to stereotype, but...
Also, just like some people like to shoot bows and arrows (an item originally designed to kill things) as a sport, many people shoot guns at paper targets as a sport. You need breath control, good hand-eye coordination, etc.
If you review history, Japan was bombed because of it's suicidal tendency (even children were being trained in the final days) and unwillingness to forfeit (which is somewhat understandable).
figgypower 2 years ago
So the nra is 2/3 conservative, pretty much what I was saying. People who backed Bush expanding government intrusion on civil liberty. Sounds like the gun lobby, i.e. nra, is only concerned about gun rights, not individual rights. Go figure, you'd think they were just lobbiest for gun manufacturers. Unlike (sarcasm) fiscal neo-cons who haven't balanced a national budget in well, NEVER! Somehow "tax and spend" Bill Clinton did.
Yes bow and arrow kills. Yes targets are practice.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Actually, only 1/3 of the NRA identifies itself as conservative or "Republican". The other 1/3 1)purposefully chose not to identify either way (most likely moderates), 2)libertarian (about 12%), 3)do not consider politics. When the USA PATRIOT Act was being passed, the NRA actually voiced its disgust. This is because the NRA membership reflected its disgust to the leadership. I agree that modern neo-cons have absolutely failed to balance the budget but that is irrelevant to this discussion.
figgypower 2 years ago
i don't think your numbers reflect the nra's voting record or contributions. it's clearly a republican animal. the patriot act is a republican animal too. what people say on some questionaire is phooey, and more than likely padded to look more inclusive than it really is. it's what they do, the nra, it's all propaganda. it's this obsession with a gun, this blown up idealism that a gun represents freedom. it's an inanimate object that does more harm than good. it's blood money.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Tomitstube, as much as you criticize frankl for being a mouthpiece, you are definitely an anti-gun propagandist. Even when given facts, you conveniently ignore them. The NRA does NOT vote pro-Republican, it votes pro-gun, which often (but not always) aligns with many Republicans. They are most often NOT concerned with other, non-gun related, political issues. They do NOT lobby for Republican causes or Republican political issues. They only care about preserving gun rights.
figgypower 2 years ago
you pretty much reiterated what I've said. let's sum this up shall we? "i ignore nra 'facts'". yes! the nra doesn't care about anything but guns. yes! the nra almost always gives money to pro gun republicans. yes! there by directly supporting the consevative agenda. yes! the nra is a gun business. yes! I am a mouthpiece against the insanity of guns representing freedom. yes! i am a mouthpiece for gun control. yes! i am a mouthpiece for common sense. yes!
tomitstube 2 years ago
I think YouTube doesn't like any HTML at all. Here's a peer-reviewed scientific study, with NO pro-gun funding, from a liberal university: "Gun shows do not increase homicides or suicides" at the University of Michigan. You need to search their main site as YT won't let me post the direct link. I have tons of independent scientific studies showing guns have overall beneficial effects and/or do not contribute to homicide/suicide. How many real facts are you willing to ignore?
figgypower 2 years ago
Oh and feel free to private msg me with your email address, as the offer for you is still open. I will email the citations of actualy scientific studies that have been peer-reviewed and feature no funding from ANY pro-gun organization. There are very few studies that show guns are detrimental. A larger number of studies show pro-gun effects.
Clearly, this is a discussion that's going nowhere. When you're ready to look at the scientific evidence or think rationally, you let me know.
figgypower 2 years ago
Wow! It's clear now... Figgy works for the nra or has a vested interest in the sale of guns. Put those fires out eh Figgy? We can't have dissention with 'merica's gun worship. Kinda like dick and dubya lying about the reasons to invade Iraq. MUST SQUASH DISSENTION!! Bringing out the "tons" of LOL "scientific studies showing guns have overall beneficial effects". I didn't know guns were nutritious! [ guns = death ] C'mon guys you know it's true, why is it so hard to admit the obvious?
tomitstube 2 years ago
Tomitstube, I'm Muslim -- I was NEVER ok with the invasion of Iraq. Gee... can you imagine why? I support guns because they save more lives than kill, they enable my citizenship unlike any other country, they assure my safety when I visit unsafe parts of Detroit and other shady places, they're an important part of America's culture, and finally because I enjoy the shooting sports. My offer is still open, if you even know what peer-reviewed, independent study is.
figgypower 2 years ago
one other thing figgy. bad neighborhoods and crime are symptoms of larger societal problems which gun lobbies and conservatives in general like to ignore. as with guns, their solutions are simple minded and futile. buy a gun - build more jails. they can't be bothered with deeper issues. everything is black/white, right/wrong, good evil...
guns only add to the problem, it's just common sense. mortality rates don't lie, it's glaring fact that you want to ignore and/or rationalize.
tomitstube 2 years ago
Tom, if you could elaborate on the deeper issues of crime causation, that would be for the best. I am interested to hear what these issues are.
laborwage 2 years ago
Wow, that's not even a response. What is dissention? I thought the word was dissent...
laborwage 2 years ago
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Tomitstube, Now I understand, its not your lack of understanding, its your lack of reason. I believe its called Bush Derangement Syndrome.
frankl1955 2 years ago
Your quotes of Patrick Henry and Ben Franklin are so out of context it's laughable. They're speaking about liberty, not shooting uzis or concealed weapons. In fact Franklin is more in tune with what Bush did after 9-11. Wire tapping, holding people with out a lawyer or due process, ignoring the Geneva convention against torture of prisoners, silencing domestic dissention... it's about sacrificing civil liberty for propaganda. Funny how gun owners as a whole had no problem with this shit.
tomitstube 2 years ago