"Pro-Life" Pharmacist Denies Bleeding Girl Her Medication, "Suspects" an Abortion

[TheJcanno8]

Fire the pharmacist. She shouldn't be in that profession.

[MetalIsEvolution]

If you are not willing to fill perscriptions for some one no matter the circumstances or based on your biases; get another fucking job!

[TheAnnafisher]

Go DAVID PAKMAN!

[dangerics]

@belowthepovertyline I don't see where anyone anywhere insinuated this was "an epidemic crisis of global proportions." But I guess your point is that if it's not "an epidemic crisis of global proportions" then this woman's health, the threat to her life etc. are not important. "Slow news day?" Wow. You really don't give a fuck, do you?

[TheJcanno8]

@belowthepovertyline  Even one is too many.

[PALOMITA694]

LAWSUIT!

[FlamebergeDuster]

I wish I were a guy now.

[ihateneveen]

Yeah, I am sure competent pro-choice abortion doctors have never left women bleeding to death after a botched abortion. EVER.

[yoyohodown98]

WOW thank you David pakman love your views and points

[XenFayed]

If you can't do your job then you shouldn't have it.

[gamesmaster35]

This is plain ridiculous..I might have a problem with violence in video games or sex in movies (I don't but let's say I did).If I work for GameStop or FYE I don't have the right not to sell Fallout3 or Saw4 just because I have a personal problem.People need to grow up.Life isn't like Burger King you don't always get to have it your way.You are there to DO A JOB.Can't handle that?Quit!

[TheJcanno8]

I mean hypothetically, if I was at the Pharmacy to fill a scrip for say, birth control, and the pharmacist told me that he/she wouldn't fill it because they were a devout Catholic, my response would be "That's nice, but since I'm not Catholic, that doesn't apply to me. Now fill the prescription." After all, I'm the customer. Their job is to serve me, not the other way around.

[kamikrazi123]

Seriously, fuck ideologies, makes me so damn ashamed.

That said, I don't believe in rights to abortion. Sex a biological function to reproduce offspring and we as humans are sorta abusing that system that nature intended. Of course, special cases of rape or birth complications should be given the choice to abort, but other than that, I really don't think people should go around getting pregnant then aborting. (I'm a hard atheist liberal so don't label me with ideological biases)

[Gooberlicious54]

Just more proof that religion is poison.

[megamarsvin]

Stories like this make me glad I live in a relatively enlightened country, despite all the crap we deal with here this would never be accepted by anyone, not even our priesthood.

A pharmacist gets to decide what medicine my doctor is allowed to prescribe me? How insane is that?

[jhartist123]

I'm 100% against abortion but surely if this pharmacist had the drug already in his pharmacy it must be used for benefit in some way or he would never have ordered it. Unless he knew the physician was an abortion doctor.

[BrightonContrarian10]

The pharmacist should be struck off and never work in any job even slightly related to medicine and go to prison.

[justlilyanne]

This pharmacist needs to lose her job and license.

[kd1s]

I'm sorry but pharmacists are part of the health care system and as such should not be able to refuse service to someone because they disagree with their sexual orientation, or whether the pharmacist believes they've done something morally wrong to require those drugs.

Policy should be any pharmacists who wears their faith on their sleeve like that should be out looking for a job post haste because under the policy I propose, they'd be terminated.

[OhZoneFan]

OHMY! "Pro-life" really means pro-unborn while babies, preferably not poor unborn white babies. Other than that pro-lifers usually are pro-death penalty, pro-gun and pro-war(even when it means innocent pregnant women die), and anti-health regulation. In other words, complete hypocritical morons. Or "Morans" if you are one of them. lulz

[TRauck1506]

I almost can't believe this! Pharmacist should not have the right to do this! Religious nuts! They wonder why people stop going to church! I don't really agree with abortion in 90% of occasions, but I also don't believe in allowing parents to kill their children by taking them to McDonalds every day. If I suggested that there be a law set in place that holds parents responsible for children under 15 that have a body fat over 30%, everyone on the right would freak out! This country, I swear!

[pegshuman]

This medication can be used in many circumstances. And just because the scrip came from a Planned Parenthood does not mean that she had an abortion. PP does whole woman care and she could have had a miscarriage and needed this med for bleeding.

[tombrady87]

So now pharmacists judge jury and exicutioner? Thats bullflop. It should be up the the doctor not the pharmacist.

[hellsbellstollforyou]

I am tired of christians shoving their beliefs down our throats. They have always been trying to change others by either lying or by fear. I say by fear because of all the people the church killed during the burning times. If you claim to be a christian you have a lot of blood on your hands and it is not just jesus's blood.

[crunkkitkat]

@hellsbellstollforyou  I agree with you completely.

[PlaymateMama]

Did she not have an abortion? Yes, she did. This was a drug to complete a chemical abortion. She had the right to say no. How can you call this "anti-choice"? It's anti-choice as long as it's the choice YOU want.

[KennBurch]

@PlaymateMama If she had had an abortion, it had already been completed by then(and we don't know if the woman had had one). A pharmacist NEVER has the right to deny a patient potentially life-saving medicine. Being against abortion does NOT mean you have the right to make a woman you think MAY have had an abortion bleed to death. NO PHARMACIST has the right to do that in the name of "conscience".

[PlaymateMama]

@KennBurch First of all, the woman DID NOT DIE. Second, YOU have no right to FORCE a doctor, a pharmacist or anyone else to participate in an abortion...any part of it.

All in all, I'm sad that she wasn't in a hospital to have it done. I really don't know the stats (I won't pull the famous YouTube trait of making them up!), but it seems so dangerous to do this on your own. I've heard a lot of horror stories.

[diasent]

@PlaymateMama A Pharmacist's job is to fill prescriptions. Filling a prescription does not constitute as taking part of an abortion. Pharmacists shouldn't even consider whats going on before handing out the pill. he only thing that should be going through there mind is "Is this a valid prescription?" and "Here are your meds" Anything else, they are not doing their job. This woman should be fired and Walgreens should be sued.

[drugsarebad90]

@PlaymateMama We have no way of knowing whether the girl had an abortion let alone a self performed one. An abortion isn't the only thing that can cause uterine bleeding.

[PlaymateMama]

@drugsarebad90 Very true. However, the use of the specific drug they are talking about is only used post-childbirth and post-abortion. Since we know that Planned Parenthood is not in the business of delivering (live at least) babies, I think it's safe to assume she had aborted. I *believe* I also read it in a news story, but I don't want to say "I read it somewhere" and not cite my source! I hate that!

When I said "doing it on her own" I mean by prescribed pills, not "self preformed".

[TheJcanno8]

@PlaymateMama So you think that she deserves to bleed to death if she had an abortion. I mean, that i what you're saying, basically.

I understand that a pharmacist may have strong religious convictions and beliefs. And while I respect that, I don't see why he or she should have the right to impose those views on others who don't think the same way.

[MClown69]

I bet the pharmacist was a teabagger....

[MemorysMystic]

pharmacists take the hypocratic oath... therefore they can refuse to administer/distribute treatments that will kill/harm.

[KennBurch]

@MemorysMystic the Oath ALSO says "first, do no harm". Denying the woman the medicine DID harm, and, even if the woman had had an abortion(which has not been established)denying her the medicine wouldn't undo it.

[elnegrobembon]

i'm pro-life (or against abortion or however you want to label it), and even i'm agianst this..

[ravenbh]

This just goes to show you. You need to get to know your pharmacist as intimately as you know your doctor. I am lucky I have got to the same local grocery store pharmacy for years (Family Thrift Center in Rapid city SD) I know without a doubt my scripts will be filled as the doctor described. I know they leave the medical opinions to the doctor and only interject when there might be a complication. May be old skool but for me its the only school

[GypsyMofakka]

I thought forcing your religious beliefs on others was unconstitutional.

[disrxt]

As a Walmart cashier I think it's immoral to feed high fructose corn syrup to children. Do I have the right to refuse to ring up products that contain it if I think it will be served to a child? PS God told me it was bad for them, it's not like I just made this shit up.

[Graham6762]

Down with this gun grabbing jew, down with the new world order.

[island4diver]

@Graham6762 I'm more concerned about right wing corporatists who are pro second amendment to get to con working people to vote against their interests. Once done, the rich conservatives grab guns to oppress brown and black people and prevent us from unionizing. Think South Carolina's handgun ban (1902-1965) was written by bleeding heart liberals? No. It was all about keeping blacks and poor whites from standing up to the Klan and company hired anti-union thugs.

[KennBurch]

@Graham6762 UH...what the hell are you talking about? This thread isn't even ABOUT gun control. And what's your problem with "jews"?

Hitler lost....deal with it.

[rockofarnett]

I have to agree and disagree, I'm Pro-Life but to refuse a med. that may save her life is wrong because as a Pro-Life Activist i believe in all human life and that mean this women. But a Pharmacist should have the right to refuse to fill a med. because if they have any suspicion that this medication may in fact harm her. So this Pharmacist is in the wrong whether or not she had an abortion and as a Pro-Life Pharmacist she should have filled the Script. and gave her resources to turn to.

[bananas1and2]

@rockofarnett It is never the pharmacist's job to refuse to fill a medication based on their own opinion. It is the patient's doctor's decision whether or not a medication is right for the patient. The pharmacist's job is to fill the prescription, no matter what they believe.

[PlaymateMama]

@bananas1and2 Not in Idaho.

[Omegax9000]

wtf is pro life? there is no such thing

[MidweekPolitics]

@Omegax9000 Hence the quotes around "pro-life"

[Omegax9000]

@MidweekPolitics why do ppl even use the term it makes no sense

[PumpingSmashkins]

@Omegax9000 You're confused; there's no such thing as "pro-choice."

[Omegax9000]

@PumpingSmashkins No I am not confused, thanks anyways.

[KennBurch]

@PumpingSmashkins Yes there is. It means you fight for the right of women to make the choice in this matter. It doesn't mean anything else. And it does NOT mean trying to get women who didn't want to have abortions to have them. No "pro-choice" person EVER does that.

[PumpingSmashkins]

@KennBurch "It doesn't mean anything else." It doesn't mean anything at all, b/c everyone is "pro-choice" since everybody likes choices and freedom. However, everybody also recognizes that there have to be limits on them as well. So what does that make everybody: "pro-choice" or "anti-choice?" It makes them both, and therefore neither. It's just a goofy euphemism. "Pro-life" is, too, but was only coined b/c the other side played the game that would otherwise have them labeled "anti-choice"

[SpitfireOFatj]

@Omegax9000 It's derived from the "Life Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness" in the Declaration.

The Right Wing glommed onto the word to imply a link between government and religion when they recruited the evangelicals who never used to vote. They are now trying to make out like government IS religion and the Constitution is a Holy document. Keep in mind, they're claiming that only Republicans can lead America on the true path.

It's really sick.

[SpitfireOFatj]

I wonder how many anti-abortionists ran out to become pharmacists just to do this.

[samiam2088]

This law is a perversion of individual liberty

[47f0]

This law is wrong. Pharmacists are not licensed to practice medicine. They are licensed to dispense medication prescribed by a physician - period. Withholding medication against doctors orders is tantamount to practicing medicine without a license, and should carry criminal consequences.

[SentimentOfGuilt]

I think people should just call them anti-choice, like David has in this video. The indirect actions of pro-life legislation are certainly not pro-life.

[GigaBoost]

Conscience clause? I just saw an episode of Boston Legal about that, some catholic doctor denying a raped girl emergency contraception.

Morning after pill is NOT an abortion, it simply prevents conception/fertilization from happening.

[samiam2088]

@GigaBoost The problem is that emergency contraception prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus, Catholics believe that life begins at conception. The emergency birth control pill can expel a fertilized egg, but not one that has already attached to the uterine lining. No one can ever really know whether the egg has been fertilized or not, so some doctors take the choice upon themselves to decide if you get pregnant or not.

[GigaBoost]

@samiam2088 But that's just flat out silly, on every level. How in the world is a newly fertilized egg counted as a human being? That's silly.

[LanceMurtagh]

@GigaBoost

You're silly.

[marcus5554]

What a ridiculous and ignorant law shame on you Idaho.

[dannyhulse]

Not to offend any Pharmacist's out there, but,

YOU ARE NOT DOCTORS!!! So that clause in Idaho is completely and utterly moronic.

It's like letting a store clerk refuse to sell you pork because he is a Fundamentalist Jew.

[nvieira100]

@dannyhulse Besides which, the "clause" does NOT allow pharmacists to refuse ANY drugs, with the exception of contraceptives and the morning after pill. This woman needs to bring a lawsuit against this so called "pharmacist", and punative damages should be in the millions so that this "so called pharmacist" has something to think about for her entire life, while she tries unsuccessfully to dig herself out of the hell pit she jumped into with both feet ! Pro-"life" my ass!

[kazooga1234]

the pharmacist is an idiot and if she already had an abortion the parasite is dead let it go and i want to do what FOX news says to when i hear things like that and then blame FOX

[kazooga1234]

im am calm now and want to say i am surprised i got 2 thumbs up on a comment i wrote when extremely pissed off the bible doesnt say anything about abortions however in one part of the bible it does talk about drinking poison to have a miscarage so wouldnt taking a pill to have an abortion exactly the samething not to mention that if the bible says miscarages are okay that an abortion is just a wanted miscarage that is done in a safer way and god made everything so didnt it also make abortions

[DonSSanders]

Your medical care should NEVER be at the whim of an individual pharmacist unless the pharmacist has good reason to believe that the medical care you're receiving poses an actual threat to your life. That pharmacist needs to be fired, have her licence revoked, and (if the girl suffered serious harm) be personally liable for a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

[xadam2dudex]

@DonSSanders the pharmacist has no right to do anything but dispense drugs legally written by a doctor..if they can't fulfill that duty then they should not be working at that job...like a soldier on the battle field deciding to say I am a pacifist

[nvieira100]

@DonSSanders Even if the girl didn't suffer serious harm, this bitch of a "pharmacist" needs to be personally liable for a multi-million dollar lawsuit for PUTTING THE GIRL'S LIFE IN DANGER and for causing EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. I'd love to meet this bitch on the street one day -->"Yeah, I'm pro-life too so I'm won't kill ya. I'll just permanently damage you. Then you can think about what a hell ho you are for the rest of your waste of a life."

[diasent]

@DonSSanders most prescriptions (like kolonopin) pose a serious threat to your life. All mind altering medications have serious side effects that with the wrong combination, will either kill you or cause you to kill yourself.