Did you ever considered if the illuminati was too hard for you to deal with. you don't know what is going on. you are not there when they are making tv. you were not there with those guys in the airplane flew into the twin towers. now I dont say illuminati exists I also do not say the illuminati doesn't exist. But think further then psychological problems. I am way beyond that(sorry for my arrogance) and I am 18 years old.
@itsmedontusee 1. The Illuminati does not exist, in the sense of a group influencing world events.
2. I am a student of Television and Mass Media.
3. I have studied the events of 9/11, and I'm convinced by the evidence that there was no nefarious "controlled demolition." Essentially it was a failure of our intelligence gathering.
4. If you listened closely, I said these are some of the reasons SOME people believe this. Never said these were "psych problems" other than faulty reasoning.
@StevenErnest Good job Steve. The internet, and especially Youtube, has become inundated with all of this 911 conspiracy crap. From "No Planers" (I guess the plane I saw hit WTC 2 from 2 blocks away was a mind implant eh?) to "WTC 7 WHAT ABOUT WTC 7?" I've gotten quite sick of it all. It's nice to find another critical thinker out there keeping the actual truth and history from being re-written. If you don't know already, you should join the James Randi Educational Forum...covers everything.
@Oz1976 Perhaps the plane you saw was actually a missile? J/K! It is very moving that you were an actual witness. My main problem with the Truthers is that they are wasting time on fantasy fears, and not dealing with the complexity of current reality.
Yes, I'm registered on the wonderful Randi Forum website. I used them as a resource when I had to debate some people here early on.
Thank you for your complimentary feedback -- I received a lot of angry and nasty comments, as have you.
@StevenErnest Quit with the multiple profiling ! You guys are a couple of fags!! Who cares if someone believes that shit or not!! Its what the government did after the fact that matters!! You cant brush off the dictatorial powers of our tyrannical govt as a conspiracy theory!! The gov lies over and over,it is your duty as an american to question everything the gov does!! That was the purpose of the constitution! Not for some pudd wackers to try and discredit the people who question gov!! IDIOTS
@Oz1976 I'm currently reading -- and strongly recommend -- Michael Shermer's latest book, "The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies -- How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths."
@Oz1976 LMAO!! Look , the little sissy is still at it! Why is it , if you dont believe any conspiracies, that you are obsessed with trolling comments on these vids! Better yet, why do you even go to watch the vid at all? Why dont you just watch vids that pertain to things you do believe in!! LMAO Its because you dont even believe in yourself!! You still never produced any evidence!! I think your just a closet conspiracy theorists!!LMAO YOU ARE FUCKEN TROLL!! Simple dj LMFAO!
@goingfor11 You're an idiot. This isn't a conspiracy video dumbass...perhaps you should watch it and LISTEN and COMPREHEND IT. Simple DJ? I'm a Network Engineer son, I told you that before when you tried this nonsense, but you're not bright enough to understand. DJing is a HOBBY, as is DEBUNKING nutcases such as yourself. The only TROLL here, is you, considering it's OBVIOUS you haven't even watched this video.
@Oz1976 And besides the alex jones discussion! Regardless if 911 was a false flag or not, you cannot deny what the result of 911 has been for americans!! Patriot act, endless wars against invisible people! TSA all down your pants, DHS spying on everyone. The list is endless, the crimes our govt has committed are endless! But we have little pussy ass bitches like you who want to push everything into the conspiracy category, exactly what the govt propagated for sheep like you to parrot!! Bitch!!
@goingfor11 You're paranoid and delusional. I'm not going to go down this road with you again on this man's video's comments. You need serious psychological help.
@Oz1976 LMFAO Down what road!! The only delusion is your proof of anything!!Your fixated on 911, but its irrelevant anymore! Kind of like you!!Your family must be embarrassed to be around such an underachiever!Your lack of accomplishments in life led you to trolling you tube videos ,preaching about things you have no answers to! Keep trolling bitch cause no one likes you, look at the trail of people who all disagree with you and your bullshit facts!! quick ! erase those comments from your page!
@goingfor11 No i didnt watch this video fag!! Its your thing!! Your such a silly little bitch!! We had 20 exchanges and you never proved your point ,never even provided any prooof!! But you had time to respond 20 times!!! DJ is a hobby!! LMFAO For little kids!! Network engineer without a proxy bitch!!! LMFAO SUCKER!! What happened to that ban you promised!! You cant debunk a 5 year old!! Your obsessed with trolling, what , you got like 5 PBS links to what, nothing!! Engineer my ass bitch!!
@Oz1976 Critical thinker!! LMFAO HAHAHAHA If you saw a plane how much critical thinking was involved dumb ass!! Why dont you waste your time slamming the banking cartells who robbed this country with the aid of our congress!! Or the government that gave all your jobs away and put us in an unfair trade and labor market against slave labor!! Must be a conspiracy right!! Just bend over fags, you seam to like it!!!
Saying something is irrational without proving it is nonsensical. This is far from fantasy, especially when claims are validated. I am not interested in conspiracies of ephemeral fantasies. I am only interested in putting my emotions and bias aside to examine my reality. Right now, I don't like what I am seeing, but I am not going to cover my eyes and hope that it disappears. If seeking information to make sense of my reality is illogical, then there is no hope for this world.
Conspiracy deniers are the ones who don't look at the information close enough. I have been on both sides of this debate, only to find out conspiracy deniers are generally uninformed or propagated. FFS, we should never think for ourselves right? LOL!
How can testimony fro m William Rodriguez not be added to the final 911 report? He gave a first hand account of explosions going off in the sub basements. If it's not too much trouble, these explanations add up... not because I want them do, but because it answers questions. /watch?v=iEuJimaumW4 - I appreciate your perspective on my appeal to reasoning.
No one that I knew her nothing about a plane until they saw it on the television. When this event first occurred, I found many footage without planes on the internet, right here on youtube. Naturally, I saved them in my favorites... recently when I check again, most of the user either closed their accounts or the video was missing.I started downloading the youtube videos to keep them for my personal records. I don't appreciate history being blatantly manipulated. I know what I saw and remembered
I can tell you from almost 19 years of personal experience with CGI and Graphic design, that the footage with the plane missing and then inserted appears genuine to me. That's what disturbs me most. It's always easier to add an object than to remove one. That video was not the only one of its kind. My sister was at Canal street in downtown Manhattan when this happened. By the time she made it home, the consensus of the people there was that was that a bomb went off.
You know, he had me at Kabbalah intro to Kabbalah and loss me at the pseudo psychological explanation as to why people some how believe in conspiracies. Saying that something is nonsensicalness doesn't mean that it actually is. Once a point is argued with a logical response and historical reference, a rebuttal is in demand. 911 was and STILL is NOT an open and shut case. When there is a division in the same scientific field, questions MUST be asked. Closing your eyes is NOT a solution.
@Melanatedone These explanations of why SOME people believe in absurd conspiracies are my own; I have since come across discussions by people more learned than myself, and they have many of the same conclusions, so I am confident I am accurate. I can see that I struck a sensitive spot with many people.
Re 911, the supposed "controlled demolition" theories ARE nonsense. The 911 Commission did not delve deep enough, into Clinton and Bush, to avoid uncomfortable conclusions of stupidity.
@StevenErnest - I respect you Steve, but can you explain to me how it is possible to admit that the 911 Commission did not dig deep enough, but their given explanation for the event is good enough to run with? My interest is not to point of beliefs, but to examine what is presented and go over the presented information using logic, evidence and history as a guide. Thus far in my perspective, the open and close case solution of the 911 commission appears more like a quick sweep beneath the rug.
@Melanatedone Yes, I agree the 911 Commission did not go far enough, but I did not say we should accept it. I basically think it was a failure of intelligence, the FBI and CIA. I do not think the Bush administration allowed it to happen. I do not accept the "controlled demolition" nonsense. It does look like Bin Laden was behind it.
The answers are more political and religious, than a supposed conspiracy.
You are not stating your ideas on 911, so I have nothing specific to respond to.
@StevenErnest - It seems like saying conspiracy is an automatic shut down from any alternative perspective. One never has to believe anything another say, but if the person saying it can also prove with evidence there claim, is it not worth an investigation? The 911 commission did not do there job, and for it, a new investigation should have been launched right away. If you think the demolition was insane, then NO plane theory will knock you off your rocker. I only ask that you take another look
@Melanatedone No Plane Theory? Seriously? Planes were seen, filmed, and photographed. Wreckage was found strewn about, as were the dismembered bodies of passengers. No planes? Really? That is absurd. And there is absolutely no evidence to support it.
@StevenErnest - The no plane theory seems a bit INSANE, yet the evidence that has come forth is nonetheless interesting. They assert that all of the planes used were computer generated. It's one thing hearing it, yet when the evidence is examined, disbelief is the only thing that takes hold. No evidence? this is only 42 secs, but 42sec that can change a persons reality. watch?v=SONqKnDFfsk
@Melanatedone That video is interesting. But what is its source? People on either side may fake footage.
Look: the vast body of evidence supports the planes being flown into the WTC. MANY witnesses saw planes, AND planes were filmed from multiple angles. We do not have the technology to "project holograms." Tons of wreckage was found: The dismembered bodies of passengers. You have yet to deal with this preponderance of evidence.
@StevenErnest - But that's the thing... it's not just a few scatter people with random ideas. Entire organizations have been setup dealing with this specific topic. Project Blue beam actually touched on the subject of Hologram. and, yes... we do have the technology. /watch?v=deoOTqT-SMI&feature=related - but if this was the reality, I would lean more towards CGI. Wreckage found where? There was wreckage in the official story. What about the first hand account from people like April Gallope?
@Melanatedone Umm, Project Blue Beam...? That NASA will be behind an anti-christ and establish a New World Order, etc...? I'm sorry, but if you are accepting those ideas, then I can no longer believe that you are capable of rational thought.
Yes, there are many sites and "organizations" ABOUT these supposed conspiracies, but it does not necessarily mean that they EXIST.
Instead of dealing with the real political and religious causes of the attacks, you are dealing with fantasy. Very sad.
@StevenErnest - As I've stated before..this isn't about what I believe.I would not like to believe that our Government would be capable of any of this.This isn't about me believing anything,this is about looking at presented evidence and using a rational and subjective outlook.I was pretty sure that what I presented was pretty rational. You told me that there is no hologram,I show u there is,you tell me there is no evidence for the no plane theory, I show you there is. I am I missing something?
@StevenErnest - I understand your perspective on conspiracies, but viewed from a different orientation... those that accept a given reality, no matter how absurd happens to be the model citizen for a corporate institution. Don't ask question, take what we give you. Keep your eyes closed and your mouth shut. Should people not challenge things that make no sense to them until they have unwaivering evidence? Should they truly be classified as having a mental disorder, Oppositional defiant disorder?
@StevenErnest - My apologies if for some reason I missed something. I thank you for pointing it out and I will take another look. One of the biggest divider amongst people happen to me miscommunication or misunderstanding. I humbly thank you again.
@Melanatedone It may seem minor, but do you see what this tells me about you? That you do not pay attention to details. You do not listen closely. You are seeing and hearing just what you want to hear -- just as you accuse the masses of people who accept the corporate media, etc. I do not intend to insult you, but I have found that some people who accept some of these conspiracies do not look closely at the information before them. And I do appreciate your comments.
@StevenErnest - Not offended, grateful. I am grateful whenever someone points out something about me. It helps me readjust myself by understanding new of foreign perspective. No, this is far from minor, especially with my background in Metaphysics. I'll have to double check the time in which I was responding, maybe that will give me a clue as to how I missed such a large chunk of your outlook. 18 hrs ago.. that would've place me at roughly 4 something in the morning. Hmmm.
Google CIA leaked doc: "Operation Northwoods" Read it: Guess what Steve! It reveals plans of our govt to ram planes into buildings to blame on Cuba. WOW!, I can read! Maybe Steve can read also. Conspiracies are real. Also tell my why nanothermate was found as paint chips unspent in dust at ground zero.
Steven, I agree that people live in their own reality tunnels. What the thinker thinks, the prover proves, am I right? The conspiracy theorist lives life viewing everything as a conspiracy. But 9/11? I'm still not sold on the official story. As I am not sold on all the conspiracy theories that have spawned from that day.
Something just doesn't sit right. Call it intuition if you will.
@doesthismakeanysense I don't see any major gaps in the official story. But: the 911 Commission did not acknowledge that the Bush administration missed intelligence data that might have indicated an attack was being planned. This appears to be due more to stupidity than any kind of "conspiracy."
We have to deal with the reasons behind terrorism -- if we waste our time chasing phantoms, history will repeat itself.
Intuition is a useful tool, but we can't base our policies on it.
I used to believe that conspiracy theories were bunkum and those who adhered to them were delusional fools. Then I thought....hang on. Let's look at the evidence.
Why don't we hold those who refute ''conspiracy'' theories to the same standard of evidence as we hold those who adhere to those theories. It is not good enought merely to dismiss people. We know that the ''weapons of mass destruction'' and the ''bay of Tonkin'' were lies. We know it. It isn't a conspiracy theory...but it used to be.
@exchangeisno Of course, there have been SOME conspiracies, such as you mention -- and Watergate, and IranContra - but there is NO EVIDENCE for most of the other ones, like JFK, 911, etc.
If people are wasting time on things like the supposed "controlled demolition" of the WTC, instead of the ACTUAL CAUSES, which are political and cultural -- REAL understanding and change can not occur.
I am not "merely dismissing people." I respect people's beliefs, but they need to present SOLID EVIDENCE.
Testimony from the civil engineers who designed and built the twin towers is pretty solid to me. If you have ever studied the mathematics required to be an engineer, you would know that men like that don't go in for ''conspiracy theories''. They are serious, educated, solid men. Video footage was removed by the FBI which would prove what had hit the Pentagon building. Why not release the film? They say the plane vapourized yet bodies were sufficiently intact for fingerprinting!
@exchangeisno Your response is typical, but go ahead, knock yourself out.
No one said the Pentagon plane was "vaporized." In fact, my opening montage even has a brief photo of a large piece of plane wreckage on the Pentagon lawn.
@StevenErnest There were two rolls royce stainless steel and platignum engines which most certainly were said to have vapourized. And the debris on the lawn was lifted and never examined by any public enquiry. I'm not a conspiracist by nature, I don't go in for wacky ideas about moon llandings being faked. But this 9/11 job was and is suspicious. Just as the several other fabrications and set up jobs for pretexts to war have been. Ignore it all you want. I did for a long time too.
I disagree with you: conspiracy theorist are VERY serious. They mean well. They are even noble: Seekers of Truth. But imo, they are misguided, chasing phantoms.
@MrCone223 No, it looks like you haven't read carefully: That publication is about the effects of technology on the world, and about possible scenarios for dealing with the future. Nothing about a NWO.
Yes: due to the internet, global communication, air travel, and multinational corporations -- a Global Civilization IS coming into being -- but it is NOT the conspiracists' "Evil"New World Order."
I challenge you to view my video on this very subject: watch?v=C0TfXUb6Hso -- and reply. : )
@StevenErnest Read former advisor to Bill Clinton; Carroll Quigley's book "Tragedy and Hope" then maybe you will wake up. By the way, America is not a democracy, it is a Republic. And yes, you have been told over and over again that it is a democracy. They are 2 very different forms of government. If you don't have time to read Quigley's book, then google: "End Game" Or "Fall of the Republic". Take Care
It is not a conspiracy, it is real and the rabbit hole goes deep. The people running this show have been doing so for many years and manipulating 3rd world countries into war. Learn a little, and you will see. America's presidents find out and learn quickly what really is happening after they are inaugurated, all their aspirations for being president are crushed.
Then they follow the true leaders and act as if they are still running for president. They may make decisions on domestic affairs like gay marriage, but most of it is to keep the eyes away from the real decisions going on. It's much like an owner of a company. No one ever sees the owner...they just deal with a manager. That manager is hired for 4 years...then another 4 years if they do well dealing with the American public, and following their agenda. Democracy is the blindfold.
It makes us feel like we have a choice. If a president feels different and starts making true changes for the best interest of its country, he may end up like JFK. I know this because most of America is going into foreclosure on their homes. A simple law or change in policy here and their would relieve this. The reason they don't...is because it is not part of the plan. The World order plan. You know what they wanted to call the New Trade Center Tower in NYC? "The One World Trade Center"
Interesting video. Unfortunately many of these "wacky" theories are indeed nonsense. nonetheless but a careful examination of available data tends to reveal a certain plausibility to a few of them.
Interesting but you actually are a conspiracy theory theorist. Ahem.
@siberianotcaucasia 2. For example, a basic understanding of history and of science makes it very clear -- to me -- that the ideas that we didn't go to the Moon or that 9/11 was "controlled demolition" is ridiculous.
I am a layperson, and studied this. The experts debunking these events made more sense to me than the conspiracy believers.
I think it is VERY important to question things, and to be skeptical. I would not call that "madness" at all. But you can take this too far, and be TOO unsure about things. You don't have to know "every truth in existence" to have a good sense of reality.
Steven, I don't think it is wise to make blanket statements of what is true or false in our realities. This is how dogma is born. I don't know what is true or real. The world that we percieve is a delusion. It is the wall of plato's cave. It is the drama of the worldly plane. Conspiracies can be as real as we allow them to be. The world is a stage..
@TheWillwillwill I am somewhat speaking in general terms here, as the vid is limited to 10 mins. But I do think I am touching on some psychological truths -- some people DO have illogical beliefs. Your Plato/delusion statement has some truth to it, but you are taking it too far.
"Conspiracies can be as real as we allow them to be."
Please explicate, that does not make sense.
Read my sidebar notes re REAL conspiracies, Watergate, IranContra, etc.
@StevenErnest "Conspiracies can be as real as we allow them to be." This applies only if we live in a multideminsional universe where individual consciousness actually helps to create reality though focused thought or intent. This is a Kabbalistic, hermetic, vedic, ETC ... concept.
@TheWillwillwill I know the concept, but I do not fully subscribe to it. There is an over-exaggerated streak to it, a la "The Secret" re us creating reality, or our own reality. Of course, there is some truth to it. But in the context of conspiracies: either Oswald DID or DID NOT kill JFK. Either the World Trade Center WAS or WASN'T leveled by controlled demolition.
You cannot just say, "it depends on individual reality," etc. Imo.
@StevenErnest Rene Descartes said “If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.” Einstein has made similar statements, as has many other great men. I am just trying to follow their advice. If that makes me mad, then I am ok with that.
Bill Cooper worked damn hard to find the truth, predicted 9/11 and was fucking murdered shortly after. He pleaded that people do their OWN research and come up with an answer. Aaron Russo went through to explain what his friends in high places had planned and what they thought, why would he have a motive to say those things, WHILE HE WAS DIEING OF CANCER, and break up friendships. These people dont care about you, the don't give one thought to the commonwealth
@khh1964 I understand Cooper also believed in UFO/Alien conspiracies, the Moon Landing "hoax," and the New World Order. If so, he cannot be taken seriously. Maybe he was on to something, or it was coincidence, but the other nonsense he promulgated canceled out his 9/11 views. Sorry.
Russo I am not familiar with; I will look into him.
@TheWillwillwill Your comment is too brief to know your exact point. The Matrix metaphor is good, as far as it goes. I have pretty much escaped societies' Matrix, but I'm still dealing with my own.
People who are chasing phantoms -- 9/11 controlled demolition, alien abduction, a Ruling Elite of "Masters" -- are trapped in Yesod, fighting their own unconscious fears. Or worse yet: they have stumbled into the Abyss.
@StevenErnest I agree it should be taken seriously. I myself dove into the abyss. It contains the infinite. It is like pandora's box. It is hard to contain, but it can be away to rapidly expand consciousness. By facing all your fears, you either are consumed by the flames or you will walk through the fire. Thus far I have been blessed. I can't say I am on the other side, but life is a struggle, one way or another. Flames don't burn in dreams.
@TheWillwillwill Yes, that is basically true re the abyss, etc. But your comments were made in the context of this vid re Conspiracies. They either DO or DO NOT exist. Many people are wasting their time on nonsensical theories, when real problems have to be dealt with. The world is complicated, multiplex. Different belief systems -- political and religious -- are coming into conflict. THAT is what must be dealt with, not silly "controlled demolition" theories.
this is retarded and i think you have a problem living with the fact your a 50 year old single loser with superman toys, so you have to read word for word quotes from the internet to explain why some ppl believe in conspiracies. yeah some conspiracies are just idiotic, shit does happen. but that doesnt mean that there is no possibility of conspiracy. i am not crazy because i think the JFK ass. was not LHO alone with a 20 year old gun. w/ evidence &pop. opinion on my side. alien consp. r loony
@pat442389 I do not say that are no conspiracies. If you were more detail-oriented, you would have read my sidebar comments:
"Yes, some conspiracies have existed:
The conspiracy to assassinate Julius Ceasar in 44 BC.
Watergate in the 1970s.
Iran Contra in the 80s.
And we recently learned that the Bush Administration lied, deceiving both Congress and the American people about the supposed "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq."
I didn't exactly say "conspiracies are all around..." I said some people THINK there are conspiracies all around. And I suggested what are their unconscious motivations.
@StevenErnest Sorry that part about conspiracies being all around fit more on your comedy video of conspiracies, which I watched before this one. Very funny btw. There sure are conspiracy youtube videos all around youtube from what I notice.
@cloaknpoke Hey, no problem. In a way, they are "all around" -- in that a lot of people believe in them. I'm glad you liked the comedy one, too. : ) Those are actual books on the subject I have, as I used to believe in some of this, mainly in the 80's.
Yes, thare are tons of conspiracy videos on here... what bothers me the most about this, is that people are wasting their time dealing with fantasy, while REALITY is what needs to be dealt with.
if we take a look at our history, the united states history, we've committed genocide, wee removed elected government leaders and we have bombed the middle east for decades. they spy on us, we create secret prison camps.
to say that the idea that our government would do this is absurd is ignorant. Our machine has more to gain from 9/11 than the terrorist would. which is debatable.
but what you will have a hard time debating is steel and concrete falling through itself with the resistance of air
@gyco7 Yes, the most intensely studied building collapse in modern history.
In every video, you can see the falling columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building, but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud -- which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed.
Read some of the engineering SCIENCE on the 911 debunking sites; the collapse is well understood.
@StevenErnest - you "believe" the collapse of those building was "intensely studied", however, no one tested for explosives. i encourage you to read the transcripts of calls from the planes and note several individuals claim that the terrorist on board had "bombs". that said, i've been in construction all my life and i can assure you that localized structural damage from impact and office fires did not cause those 3 buildings to collapse in the manner they did on Sept 11, 2001.
@ALITL8 There is no evidence of explosives. The supposed finding of thermite is suspect, and not proven.
Re the calls from the planes: in intense, chaotic situations, people frequently misreport things. People may have honestly ASSUMED that they had bombs, but that does not mean they in fact DID. You are not understanding human perception.
As I said, the collapse of the WTC has been intensely studied; the structural failure is well understood. Please do some more research.
@StevenErnest no disrespect but i have a lifetime (30+ yrs) of experience in construction not to mention that prior to pre-employment/random drug screening i was trained, licensed and certified to work in the gas and oil (hazardous materials) industry. maybe you should do a little more research ;o)
@ALITL8 They still did not find any evidence of explosives.
And you did not reply re the other info -- which has nothing to do with construction. You are clearly not very detail oriented. You just pick and choose, which is the mistake conspiracy people make.
@StevenErnest tell me what you "believe" caused those buildings to collapse and how you came to that conclusion and we'll discuss evidence for explosives, the calls from the planes and human perception.
the complete, catastrophic and near perfect symmetric failure of all supporting structure and the near free fall speed collapse is cause enough to have tested for explosives. just because the folks at NIST "say" they didnt have reason to suspect that explosives were used, means nothing! JMO
"reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." george washington's farewell address
In God We Trust
confucius say..."If you know whether a people are well governed, and if its laws are good or bad, examine the music it practices."
@zmc33 Re Kabbalah, I wouldn't form your opinion of a complex philosophical system because of the beliefs of a pop star. The Kabbalah Center that she supports is a watered-down version for the masses. They sell "Kabbalah Water," lmao.
I list the serious books on the subject in the sidebar of that vid.
i believe the pope when he says we need a new world order....and the entire political world, including anti God commies like fidel castro cry when popes die....
@theawakener7 Yes, I honestly DO think that. I essentially am an atheist: I do not believe in the supernatural creator god of the three Abrahamic faiths.
If you are implying a contradiction with my Kabbalah video, watch it again: I specifically said I use Kabbalah, and the Tree of Life diagram, as MODELS and METAPHORS.
Does that blow your mind? ; )
You might like my video: The World to Come: StevenVisions #1. Which deals directly with humanity creating a better world.
@theawakener7 Um, that is a non sequitur. Kabbalah originated as an esoteric teaching of Judaism, but as you can see in my reading list -- with my Kabbalah vid -- there are many, many books readily available on the subject.
LMAO you're kidding right? This 50-year-old nerd (probably paedophile) living in his mom's basement has as much intelligence as a fruitfly.. First of all moron, in some form or another NWO has been mentioned by almost all world leaders, most mainstream media and online newspapers like AP for one.. But let me guess.. still a conspiracy right? Second, its defies all laws of physics for the 2 towers to collapse from a fire of that magnitute, lemme guess thats also crazy talk.. I could go on forever
Your first nasty remarks simply display your lack of intelligence, common when "Truthers" have their beliefs challenged.
Of course NWO has been mentioned by many, but that does NOT prove there is a vast conspiracy behind it.
The collapse of the WTC makes perfect sense by the laws of physics. Besides the fire weakening the steal, it had MAJOR physical damage from the jet airliners being flown INTO the buildings. It is the most studied building collapse in history.
Well for one I dont even know what a "Truther" is.. Arent you contradicting yourself if you admit NWO is openly talked about and still call it a conspiracy? Have you taken any steps to find out what it is? Does it sound like a good idea in your mind? You know losing your constitutional rights and the freedom the founding fathers fought to give you? Can you prove there isnt anything hidden about it? (continued)
"Truthers" are what the people who think there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 call themselves.
Just because people TALK about a NWO, doesn't mean a conspiracy behind it actually EXISTS.
The motto on the dollar bill is incorrectly translated as "New World Order," and it is more accurately, "A New Order of the Ages" -- about the Founding Fathers belief in the Age of Enlightenment, science, and rationality being the hallmarks of the new American country.
@StevenErnest, ok... but if world leaders around the world keep saying stuff like "we feel a new world order is in need" what does that mean to you? Have they said to us what it is and what it does or has it been pretty secret?.. If the founding fathers were here to see the present state of the govenrment they would want to hang everyone for treason against its own people. They fled from a country to flee from a Govenment that we have in place today.. Dependancy not equal freedom.
Secondly lets review physics.. Galileos law of falling bodies (which applies here) calculates the time which an object will travel a certain distance in complete free fall. The tower fell in nearly freefall speed which is impossible if it was the jet fuel melting the steel beams. There is no way that the physical damage was so intense from the explosion. What would have happened if a collapse was to occur from the damage is that a section of the building would collapse. (continued)
Re the physics of the WTC collapse, there are several wonderful sites, one by Popular Mechanics, with engineers explaining the physics behind it; there is no value in the free-fall theory.
The steel beams were weakened, and the WEIGHT of the floors above could no longer be supported. The FRICTION-ENERGY of the falling material is equvalent to xxx amount of dynamite!
I will let you do your own research on this, but I'm sure you won't bother to. If you say you have, you obviously have not.
@StevenErnest, LMAO you're kidding right? Thats where you're getting your wisdom from? Popular Mechanics? They wouldnt know science or logic if it hit them in the face.. Not to mention who owns them and their bias'd agenda.. Good luck with that one. Again you're not even reading my response, I said if thats plausable then a section of the building would be the first to collapse not the entire building right away in a straight line.. I've done my research, wish I could say the same about you.
Man there no evidence that the FEDERAL BANK is a private instituut buying up property all over the world???? no fucking evidence so you say that bank is from the Goverment??? There's lack of EVIDENCE becouse THEY HIDE THE TRUTH FROM US, AND THATS WHY THERE'S A CONSPIRICY THEORY u asshole, like i fucking said before GENERALLY spoken that does move people yes your video is not complete bull shit but it comes close becouse you are generalizing every single argument out there as a ridiculous theory
you my friend are CNN-brainwashed...Islam was always a religion of peace, until the US tarnished the image of muslims through hollywood. the us sold weapons to al qaeda in the 70's to fight USSR, this is all the US's fault, or rather the Illuminati's fault. the truth is that the US is the real bad guy, i mean look at how many countries they bombed...hiroshima? SHAME ON THEM for killing innocent people! They knew that pearl harbor would happen, but the US loves false flags
Why don't you ask the Phillipinos and Chinese if they think Pearl Harbor was a "false flag" operation.
In his declaration of war against America, Hitler also ranted that the U.S. had been taken over by Freemasons and Jews and they were conspiring against him and world peace.
It's nice to see you have so much in common with such a great figure in Human History.
ask yourself what you stand for, good or evil. 'conspiracy people' look for the truth and are fighting the good fight, they dont believe anything they are told like you If there were no secrets then why the hell does the CIA exist. You think everything you read is historical fact, but don't you think they can make you believe anything IF they control the media? All they need is a couple dozens of men to do that. All you gotta do is step back and see how the world is full of shit, then RESEARCH
We do research, we just have the advantage of being able to analyze information for legitimacy while you generally look for information that is confirmatory of your beliefs.
Your political beliefs have nothing to do with something technical like say, Planes Crashing into buildings and their affect upon those structures.
yes but then how did i get these beliefs in the first place? i used to be very into politics and i used to believe everything they said on TV and did research using sources i thought were reliable. I'm just saying, people don't go with their gut anymore, they don't look at the big picture and make conclusions, instead they use a microscope and analyse situations using resources they think are reliable.
Yes mass behavior led to all kind of things even secret societies... Make a Video and explain how the American Federal Bank works & the Royal Bloodline reaching to America to every single president please make sense to me...
You answer me about the Moon??? WTF so i made some questions about important stuff but you just started about something else, you should go into Politics.
Yes, because your comment is posted in line to my responses to najahmcbryde, who said, "so wait nasa really didnt go to the moon :34??"
And you comment, "Lets say we didn't get the Whole story, thats a known fact..."
So it UNDERSTANDABLY looks like you are talking about the Moon. Hence my response.
I responded to your other comment, that YOU should make the video re the nonsense about Federal banking and Royal bloodlines. I see no evidence for that.
There was nothing in the failure of the WTC towers to withstand the crippling impact of passenger airliners, that in any way contradict the laws of physics.
Your angry and uncivil comment merely illustrates the lack of intelligence of many conspiracy believers.
Did you ever considered if the illuminati was too hard for you to deal with. you don't know what is going on. you are not there when they are making tv. you were not there with those guys in the airplane flew into the twin towers. now I dont say illuminati exists I also do not say the illuminati doesn't exist. But think further then psychological problems. I am way beyond that(sorry for my arrogance) and I am 18 years old.
itsmedontusee 11 months ago
@itsmedontusee 1. The Illuminati does not exist, in the sense of a group influencing world events.
2. I am a student of Television and Mass Media.
3. I have studied the events of 9/11, and I'm convinced by the evidence that there was no nefarious "controlled demolition." Essentially it was a failure of our intelligence gathering.
4. If you listened closely, I said these are some of the reasons SOME people believe this. Never said these were "psych problems" other than faulty reasoning.
StevenErnest 11 months ago
@StevenErnest ok that sounds credible
itsmedontusee 10 months ago
@StevenErnest Good job Steve. The internet, and especially Youtube, has become inundated with all of this 911 conspiracy crap. From "No Planers" (I guess the plane I saw hit WTC 2 from 2 blocks away was a mind implant eh?) to "WTC 7 WHAT ABOUT WTC 7?" I've gotten quite sick of it all. It's nice to find another critical thinker out there keeping the actual truth and history from being re-written. If you don't know already, you should join the James Randi Educational Forum...covers everything.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Perhaps the plane you saw was actually a missile? J/K! It is very moving that you were an actual witness. My main problem with the Truthers is that they are wasting time on fantasy fears, and not dealing with the complexity of current reality.
Yes, I'm registered on the wonderful Randi Forum website. I used them as a resource when I had to debate some people here early on.
Thank you for your complimentary feedback -- I received a lot of angry and nasty comments, as have you.
StevenErnest 8 months ago
@StevenErnest Quit with the multiple profiling ! You guys are a couple of fags!! Who cares if someone believes that shit or not!! Its what the government did after the fact that matters!! You cant brush off the dictatorial powers of our tyrannical govt as a conspiracy theory!! The gov lies over and over,it is your duty as an american to question everything the gov does!! That was the purpose of the constitution! Not for some pudd wackers to try and discredit the people who question gov!! IDIOTS
goingfor11 8 months ago
@Oz1976 I'm currently reading -- and strongly recommend -- Michael Shermer's latest book, "The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies -- How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths."
StevenErnest 8 months ago
@StevenErnest Thanks for the info, I'll take a look at it.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 LMAO!! Look , the little sissy is still at it! Why is it , if you dont believe any conspiracies, that you are obsessed with trolling comments on these vids! Better yet, why do you even go to watch the vid at all? Why dont you just watch vids that pertain to things you do believe in!! LMAO Its because you dont even believe in yourself!! You still never produced any evidence!! I think your just a closet conspiracy theorists!!LMAO YOU ARE FUCKEN TROLL!! Simple dj LMFAO!
goingfor11 8 months ago
@goingfor11 You're an idiot. This isn't a conspiracy video dumbass...perhaps you should watch it and LISTEN and COMPREHEND IT. Simple DJ? I'm a Network Engineer son, I told you that before when you tried this nonsense, but you're not bright enough to understand. DJing is a HOBBY, as is DEBUNKING nutcases such as yourself. The only TROLL here, is you, considering it's OBVIOUS you haven't even watched this video.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 And besides the alex jones discussion! Regardless if 911 was a false flag or not, you cannot deny what the result of 911 has been for americans!! Patriot act, endless wars against invisible people! TSA all down your pants, DHS spying on everyone. The list is endless, the crimes our govt has committed are endless! But we have little pussy ass bitches like you who want to push everything into the conspiracy category, exactly what the govt propagated for sheep like you to parrot!! Bitch!!
goingfor11 8 months ago
@goingfor11 You're paranoid and delusional. I'm not going to go down this road with you again on this man's video's comments. You need serious psychological help.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 LMFAO Down what road!! The only delusion is your proof of anything!!Your fixated on 911, but its irrelevant anymore! Kind of like you!!Your family must be embarrassed to be around such an underachiever!Your lack of accomplishments in life led you to trolling you tube videos ,preaching about things you have no answers to! Keep trolling bitch cause no one likes you, look at the trail of people who all disagree with you and your bullshit facts!! quick ! erase those comments from your page!
goingfor11 8 months ago
@goingfor11 No i didnt watch this video fag!! Its your thing!! Your such a silly little bitch!! We had 20 exchanges and you never proved your point ,never even provided any prooof!! But you had time to respond 20 times!!! DJ is a hobby!! LMFAO For little kids!! Network engineer without a proxy bitch!!! LMFAO SUCKER!! What happened to that ban you promised!! You cant debunk a 5 year old!! Your obsessed with trolling, what , you got like 5 PBS links to what, nothing!! Engineer my ass bitch!!
goingfor11 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Critical thinker!! LMFAO HAHAHAHA If you saw a plane how much critical thinking was involved dumb ass!! Why dont you waste your time slamming the banking cartells who robbed this country with the aid of our congress!! Or the government that gave all your jobs away and put us in an unfair trade and labor market against slave labor!! Must be a conspiracy right!! Just bend over fags, you seam to like it!!!
goingfor11 8 months ago
@goingfor11 you need to seek the immediate attention of a mental health professional.
Oz1976 8 months ago
i like conspiracy theories because sometimes theycan be fnord weird and scary..
alvicious 1 year ago
Saying something is irrational without proving it is nonsensical. This is far from fantasy, especially when claims are validated. I am not interested in conspiracies of ephemeral fantasies. I am only interested in putting my emotions and bias aside to examine my reality. Right now, I don't like what I am seeing, but I am not going to cover my eyes and hope that it disappears. If seeking information to make sense of my reality is illogical, then there is no hope for this world.
Melanatedone 1 year ago
Conspiracy deniers are the ones who don't look at the information close enough. I have been on both sides of this debate, only to find out conspiracy deniers are generally uninformed or propagated. FFS, we should never think for ourselves right? LOL!
MrCone223 1 year ago
Yes, there was a plane in my opinion. Why fake that? However, building 7 was demo'ed. Nano-thermate was found in the dust.
The "dancing Israeli's" at the George Washington Bridge admitted on a tv interview that they were sent there as Mossad agents to "document the event".
Christ, how much evidence do you want? I could go on for hours. It's called false flag.
Look up CIA release document "Operation Northwoods" where the gov would fly planes into buildings in Miami to blame Castro.
MrCone223 1 year ago
How can testimony fro m William Rodriguez not be added to the final 911 report? He gave a first hand account of explosions going off in the sub basements. If it's not too much trouble, these explanations add up... not because I want them do, but because it answers questions. /watch?v=iEuJimaumW4 - I appreciate your perspective on my appeal to reasoning.
Melanatedone 1 year ago
No one that I knew her nothing about a plane until they saw it on the television. When this event first occurred, I found many footage without planes on the internet, right here on youtube. Naturally, I saved them in my favorites... recently when I check again, most of the user either closed their accounts or the video was missing.I started downloading the youtube videos to keep them for my personal records. I don't appreciate history being blatantly manipulated. I know what I saw and remembered
Melanatedone 1 year ago
I can tell you from almost 19 years of personal experience with CGI and Graphic design, that the footage with the plane missing and then inserted appears genuine to me. That's what disturbs me most. It's always easier to add an object than to remove one. That video was not the only one of its kind. My sister was at Canal street in downtown Manhattan when this happened. By the time she made it home, the consensus of the people there was that was that a bomb went off.
Melanatedone 1 year ago
You know, he had me at Kabbalah intro to Kabbalah and loss me at the pseudo psychological explanation as to why people some how believe in conspiracies. Saying that something is nonsensicalness doesn't mean that it actually is. Once a point is argued with a logical response and historical reference, a rebuttal is in demand. 911 was and STILL is NOT an open and shut case. When there is a division in the same scientific field, questions MUST be asked. Closing your eyes is NOT a solution.
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@Melanatedone These explanations of why SOME people believe in absurd conspiracies are my own; I have since come across discussions by people more learned than myself, and they have many of the same conclusions, so I am confident I am accurate. I can see that I struck a sensitive spot with many people.
Re 911, the supposed "controlled demolition" theories ARE nonsense. The 911 Commission did not delve deep enough, into Clinton and Bush, to avoid uncomfortable conclusions of stupidity.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - I respect you Steve, but can you explain to me how it is possible to admit that the 911 Commission did not dig deep enough, but their given explanation for the event is good enough to run with? My interest is not to point of beliefs, but to examine what is presented and go over the presented information using logic, evidence and history as a guide. Thus far in my perspective, the open and close case solution of the 911 commission appears more like a quick sweep beneath the rug.
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@Melanatedone Yes, I agree the 911 Commission did not go far enough, but I did not say we should accept it. I basically think it was a failure of intelligence, the FBI and CIA. I do not think the Bush administration allowed it to happen. I do not accept the "controlled demolition" nonsense. It does look like Bin Laden was behind it.
The answers are more political and religious, than a supposed conspiracy.
You are not stating your ideas on 911, so I have nothing specific to respond to.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - It seems like saying conspiracy is an automatic shut down from any alternative perspective. One never has to believe anything another say, but if the person saying it can also prove with evidence there claim, is it not worth an investigation? The 911 commission did not do there job, and for it, a new investigation should have been launched right away. If you think the demolition was insane, then NO plane theory will knock you off your rocker. I only ask that you take another look
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@Melanatedone No Plane Theory? Seriously? Planes were seen, filmed, and photographed. Wreckage was found strewn about, as were the dismembered bodies of passengers. No planes? Really? That is absurd. And there is absolutely no evidence to support it.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - The no plane theory seems a bit INSANE, yet the evidence that has come forth is nonetheless interesting. They assert that all of the planes used were computer generated. It's one thing hearing it, yet when the evidence is examined, disbelief is the only thing that takes hold. No evidence? this is only 42 secs, but 42sec that can change a persons reality. watch?v=SONqKnDFfsk
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@Melanatedone That video is interesting. But what is its source? People on either side may fake footage.
Look: the vast body of evidence supports the planes being flown into the WTC. MANY witnesses saw planes, AND planes were filmed from multiple angles. We do not have the technology to "project holograms." Tons of wreckage was found: The dismembered bodies of passengers. You have yet to deal with this preponderance of evidence.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - But that's the thing... it's not just a few scatter people with random ideas. Entire organizations have been setup dealing with this specific topic. Project Blue beam actually touched on the subject of Hologram. and, yes... we do have the technology. /watch?v=deoOTqT-SMI&feature=related - but if this was the reality, I would lean more towards CGI. Wreckage found where? There was wreckage in the official story. What about the first hand account from people like April Gallope?
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@Melanatedone Umm, Project Blue Beam...? That NASA will be behind an anti-christ and establish a New World Order, etc...? I'm sorry, but if you are accepting those ideas, then I can no longer believe that you are capable of rational thought.
Yes, there are many sites and "organizations" ABOUT these supposed conspiracies, but it does not necessarily mean that they EXIST.
Instead of dealing with the real political and religious causes of the attacks, you are dealing with fantasy. Very sad.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - As I've stated before..this isn't about what I believe.I would not like to believe that our Government would be capable of any of this.This isn't about me believing anything,this is about looking at presented evidence and using a rational and subjective outlook.I was pretty sure that what I presented was pretty rational. You told me that there is no hologram,I show u there is,you tell me there is no evidence for the no plane theory, I show you there is. I am I missing something?
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - I understand your perspective on conspiracies, but viewed from a different orientation... those that accept a given reality, no matter how absurd happens to be the model citizen for a corporate institution. Don't ask question, take what we give you. Keep your eyes closed and your mouth shut. Should people not challenge things that make no sense to them until they have unwaivering evidence? Should they truly be classified as having a mental disorder, Oppositional defiant disorder?
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@Melanatedone Apparently you did not listen closely to my final comments, esp starting around 7:40. Please watch again from that part on:
I mention that politicians only give us partial truths, and refer to corporate interests, the messages of advertising, the agendas of institutions.
And I said:
"The motivation of conspiracy enthusiasts is laudable: They are seeking the truth. It is noble to be a Truth Seeker."
Please see the info bar below the vid.
You are only hearing what you want to.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - My apologies if for some reason I missed something. I thank you for pointing it out and I will take another look. One of the biggest divider amongst people happen to me miscommunication or misunderstanding. I humbly thank you again.
Melanatedone 1 year ago
@Melanatedone It may seem minor, but do you see what this tells me about you? That you do not pay attention to details. You do not listen closely. You are seeing and hearing just what you want to hear -- just as you accuse the masses of people who accept the corporate media, etc. I do not intend to insult you, but I have found that some people who accept some of these conspiracies do not look closely at the information before them. And I do appreciate your comments.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - Not offended, grateful. I am grateful whenever someone points out something about me. It helps me readjust myself by understanding new of foreign perspective. No, this is far from minor, especially with my background in Metaphysics. I'll have to double check the time in which I was responding, maybe that will give me a clue as to how I missed such a large chunk of your outlook. 18 hrs ago.. that would've place me at roughly 4 something in the morning. Hmmm.
Melanatedone 1 year ago
Stop exposing my illuminati family. It's suppose to be a SECRET.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y Lol, my bad.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
At best govt is a necessary evil, at worst and intolerable one.
Thomas Paine.
MrCone223 1 year ago
@MrCone223 Great quote. And Jefferson's re the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
Would only that we could get by without governments. Perhaps someday?
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Google CIA leaked doc: "Operation Northwoods" Read it: Guess what Steve! It reveals plans of our govt to ram planes into buildings to blame on Cuba. WOW!, I can read! Maybe Steve can read also. Conspiracies are real. Also tell my why nanothermate was found as paint chips unspent in dust at ground zero.
MrCone223 1 year ago
Steven, I agree that people live in their own reality tunnels. What the thinker thinks, the prover proves, am I right? The conspiracy theorist lives life viewing everything as a conspiracy. But 9/11? I'm still not sold on the official story. As I am not sold on all the conspiracy theories that have spawned from that day.
Something just doesn't sit right. Call it intuition if you will.
great video and channel my friend.
doesthismakeanysense 1 year ago
@doesthismakeanysense I don't see any major gaps in the official story. But: the 911 Commission did not acknowledge that the Bush administration missed intelligence data that might have indicated an attack was being planned. This appears to be due more to stupidity than any kind of "conspiracy."
We have to deal with the reasons behind terrorism -- if we waste our time chasing phantoms, history will repeat itself.
Intuition is a useful tool, but we can't base our policies on it.
Thanks. : )
StevenErnest 1 year ago
I used to believe that conspiracy theories were bunkum and those who adhered to them were delusional fools. Then I thought....hang on. Let's look at the evidence.
Why don't we hold those who refute ''conspiracy'' theories to the same standard of evidence as we hold those who adhere to those theories. It is not good enought merely to dismiss people. We know that the ''weapons of mass destruction'' and the ''bay of Tonkin'' were lies. We know it. It isn't a conspiracy theory...but it used to be.
exchangeisno 1 year ago
@exchangeisno Of course, there have been SOME conspiracies, such as you mention -- and Watergate, and IranContra - but there is NO EVIDENCE for most of the other ones, like JFK, 911, etc.
If people are wasting time on things like the supposed "controlled demolition" of the WTC, instead of the ACTUAL CAUSES, which are political and cultural -- REAL understanding and change can not occur.
I am not "merely dismissing people." I respect people's beliefs, but they need to present SOLID EVIDENCE.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
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exchangeisno 1 year ago
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exchangeisno 1 year ago
Testimony from the civil engineers who designed and built the twin towers is pretty solid to me. If you have ever studied the mathematics required to be an engineer, you would know that men like that don't go in for ''conspiracy theories''. They are serious, educated, solid men. Video footage was removed by the FBI which would prove what had hit the Pentagon building. Why not release the film? They say the plane vapourized yet bodies were sufficiently intact for fingerprinting!
exchangeisno 1 year ago
@exchangeisno Your response is typical, but go ahead, knock yourself out.
No one said the Pentagon plane was "vaporized." In fact, my opening montage even has a brief photo of a large piece of plane wreckage on the Pentagon lawn.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest There were two rolls royce stainless steel and platignum engines which most certainly were said to have vapourized. And the debris on the lawn was lifted and never examined by any public enquiry. I'm not a conspiracist by nature, I don't go in for wacky ideas about moon llandings being faked. But this 9/11 job was and is suspicious. Just as the several other fabrications and set up jobs for pretexts to war have been. Ignore it all you want. I did for a long time too.
exchangeisno 1 year ago
i wont be seen with him but hes right. conspiracy theorists are not serious people.
EARTH51087 1 year ago
@EARTH51087 You won't be seen with whom?
I disagree with you: conspiracy theorist are VERY serious. They mean well. They are even noble: Seekers of Truth. But imo, they are misguided, chasing phantoms.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Steve hasn't done his research.
Google "Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development" from the Rockefeller foundation. The New Order is real.
MrCone223 1 year ago
@MrCone223 No, it looks like you haven't read carefully: That publication is about the effects of technology on the world, and about possible scenarios for dealing with the future. Nothing about a NWO.
Yes: due to the internet, global communication, air travel, and multinational corporations -- a Global Civilization IS coming into being -- but it is NOT the conspiracists' "Evil"New World Order."
I challenge you to view my video on this very subject: watch?v=C0TfXUb6Hso -- and reply. : )
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@MrCone223 Three months and no reply? Typical.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Read former advisor to Bill Clinton; Carroll Quigley's book "Tragedy and Hope" then maybe you will wake up. By the way, America is not a democracy, it is a Republic. And yes, you have been told over and over again that it is a democracy. They are 2 very different forms of government. If you don't have time to read Quigley's book, then google: "End Game" Or "Fall of the Republic". Take Care
MrCone223 1 year ago
It is not a conspiracy, it is real and the rabbit hole goes deep. The people running this show have been doing so for many years and manipulating 3rd world countries into war. Learn a little, and you will see. America's presidents find out and learn quickly what really is happening after they are inaugurated, all their aspirations for being president are crushed.
SleazyE08 1 year ago
@SleazyE08 You are very misinformed, imho.
Regarding fears of a "New World Order," please watch my video:
"The World To Come: StevenVisions #1"
For an explanation of why people are having these fears.
Will you face the challenge...? ; )
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@SleazyE08 No, you didn't face the challenge.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Then they follow the true leaders and act as if they are still running for president. They may make decisions on domestic affairs like gay marriage, but most of it is to keep the eyes away from the real decisions going on. It's much like an owner of a company. No one ever sees the owner...they just deal with a manager. That manager is hired for 4 years...then another 4 years if they do well dealing with the American public, and following their agenda. Democracy is the blindfold.
SleazyE08 1 year ago
It makes us feel like we have a choice. If a president feels different and starts making true changes for the best interest of its country, he may end up like JFK. I know this because most of America is going into foreclosure on their homes. A simple law or change in policy here and their would relieve this. The reason they don't...is because it is not part of the plan. The World order plan. You know what they wanted to call the New Trade Center Tower in NYC? "The One World Trade Center"
SleazyE08 1 year ago
Interesting video. Unfortunately many of these "wacky" theories are indeed nonsense. nonetheless but a careful examination of available data tends to reveal a certain plausibility to a few of them.
Interesting but you actually are a conspiracy theory theorist. Ahem.
freebuzzard 1 year ago
@siberianotcaucasia 2. For example, a basic understanding of history and of science makes it very clear -- to me -- that the ideas that we didn't go to the Moon or that 9/11 was "controlled demolition" is ridiculous.
I am a layperson, and studied this. The experts debunking these events made more sense to me than the conspiracy believers.
Each of us has to figure out what is real.
Thanks again!
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@siberianotcaucasia 1. Thank you for your cool comment.
I think it is VERY important to question things, and to be skeptical. I would not call that "madness" at all. But you can take this too far, and be TOO unsure about things. You don't have to know "every truth in existence" to have a good sense of reality.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Steven, I don't think it is wise to make blanket statements of what is true or false in our realities. This is how dogma is born. I don't know what is true or real. The world that we percieve is a delusion. It is the wall of plato's cave. It is the drama of the worldly plane. Conspiracies can be as real as we allow them to be. The world is a stage..
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill I am somewhat speaking in general terms here, as the vid is limited to 10 mins. But I do think I am touching on some psychological truths -- some people DO have illogical beliefs. Your Plato/delusion statement has some truth to it, but you are taking it too far.
"Conspiracies can be as real as we allow them to be."
Please explicate, that does not make sense.
Read my sidebar notes re REAL conspiracies, Watergate, IranContra, etc.
Thank you for commenting, I appreciate it.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest "Conspiracies can be as real as we allow them to be." This applies only if we live in a multideminsional universe where individual consciousness actually helps to create reality though focused thought or intent. This is a Kabbalistic, hermetic, vedic, ETC ... concept.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill I know the concept, but I do not fully subscribe to it. There is an over-exaggerated streak to it, a la "The Secret" re us creating reality, or our own reality. Of course, there is some truth to it. But in the context of conspiracies: either Oswald DID or DID NOT kill JFK. Either the World Trade Center WAS or WASN'T leveled by controlled demolition.
You cannot just say, "it depends on individual reality," etc. Imo.
P.S. Are you Will-e-will on Stickam? ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest I am not so sure what is real and not real. No I am not Will-e-will...
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Of course, doubt and skepticism are healthy, and necessary.
I do not claim to have all the answers.
But to say, "I am not so sure what is real and not real..." borders on madness, imo.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Rene Descartes said “If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.” Einstein has made similar statements, as has many other great men. I am just trying to follow their advice. If that makes me mad, then I am ok with that.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
Bill Cooper worked damn hard to find the truth, predicted 9/11 and was fucking murdered shortly after. He pleaded that people do their OWN research and come up with an answer. Aaron Russo went through to explain what his friends in high places had planned and what they thought, why would he have a motive to say those things, WHILE HE WAS DIEING OF CANCER, and break up friendships. These people dont care about you, the don't give one thought to the commonwealth
khh1964 1 year ago
@khh1964 I understand Cooper also believed in UFO/Alien conspiracies, the Moon Landing "hoax," and the New World Order. If so, he cannot be taken seriously. Maybe he was on to something, or it was coincidence, but the other nonsense he promulgated canceled out his 9/11 views. Sorry.
Russo I am not familiar with; I will look into him.
Thanks for commenting.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest ...Steven? I thought you understood kabbalah. We are inside the box..i.e...the matrix.. Taking it too seriously can get you killed...
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Your comment is too brief to know your exact point. The Matrix metaphor is good, as far as it goes. I have pretty much escaped societies' Matrix, but I'm still dealing with my own.
People who are chasing phantoms -- 9/11 controlled demolition, alien abduction, a Ruling Elite of "Masters" -- are trapped in Yesod, fighting their own unconscious fears. Or worse yet: they have stumbled into the Abyss.
I think that SHOULD be taken seriously.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest I agree it should be taken seriously. I myself dove into the abyss. It contains the infinite. It is like pandora's box. It is hard to contain, but it can be away to rapidly expand consciousness. By facing all your fears, you either are consumed by the flames or you will walk through the fire. Thus far I have been blessed. I can't say I am on the other side, but life is a struggle, one way or another. Flames don't burn in dreams.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Yes, that is basically true re the abyss, etc. But your comments were made in the context of this vid re Conspiracies. They either DO or DO NOT exist. Many people are wasting their time on nonsensical theories, when real problems have to be dealt with. The world is complicated, multiplex. Different belief systems -- political and religious -- are coming into conflict. THAT is what must be dealt with, not silly "controlled demolition" theories.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest ah, a fellow Qabalist
Indeed to you my friend
doesthismakeanysense 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill If you are responding to my response from a month ago, you do no seem to have understood what I was saying.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@khh1964 ..is there someway to give someone cancer??? I am sure there is. May be it it best to shutup and do what our masters say..
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
this is retarded and i think you have a problem living with the fact your a 50 year old single loser with superman toys, so you have to read word for word quotes from the internet to explain why some ppl believe in conspiracies. yeah some conspiracies are just idiotic, shit does happen. but that doesnt mean that there is no possibility of conspiracy. i am not crazy because i think the JFK ass. was not LHO alone with a 20 year old gun. w/ evidence &pop. opinion on my side. alien consp. r loony
pat442389 1 year ago
@pat442389 It says a lot about your intelligence and psychology, when you resort to nasty personal remarks when you know nothing about me.
This entire video was written by me, I was not "quoting from the internet."
I had written it out in MS Word, and was reading it off the screen.
At one time I believed in the JFK conspiracy -- I no longer do. It is very credible and pretty obvious that Oswald did do it.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@pat442389 I do not say that are no conspiracies. If you were more detail-oriented, you would have read my sidebar comments:
"Yes, some conspiracies have existed:
The conspiracy to assassinate Julius Ceasar in 44 BC.
Watergate in the 1970s.
Iran Contra in the 80s.
And we recently learned that the Bush Administration lied, deceiving both Congress and the American people about the supposed "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq."
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@pat442389 No response? Typical.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@caileywarman043 Read it or "experience" it -- a strange choice of words.
That web site doesn't run properly on two different browsers.
Anyway, I seriously doubt that info is anything worthwhile.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Wow I really like this video..It's really amazing our conscious awareness and perceptions of ourselves and the world around us.
This is a most excellent topic for youtube and the internet as like you pointed out..conspiracies are all around.
cloaknpoke 1 year ago
@cloaknpoke Thank you very much.
I didn't exactly say "conspiracies are all around..." I said some people THINK there are conspiracies all around. And I suggested what are their unconscious motivations.
Thank you for the feedback.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Sorry that part about conspiracies being all around fit more on your comedy video of conspiracies, which I watched before this one. Very funny btw. There sure are conspiracy youtube videos all around youtube from what I notice.
cloaknpoke 1 year ago
@cloaknpoke Hey, no problem. In a way, they are "all around" -- in that a lot of people believe in them. I'm glad you liked the comedy one, too. : ) Those are actual books on the subject I have, as I used to believe in some of this, mainly in the 80's.
Yes, thare are tons of conspiracy videos on here... what bothers me the most about this, is that people are wasting their time dealing with fantasy, while REALITY is what needs to be dealt with.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest and yes it's very clear that "some people THINK there are conspiracies all around."
cloaknpoke 1 year ago
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gyco7 1 year ago
if we take a look at our history, the united states history, we've committed genocide, wee removed elected government leaders and we have bombed the middle east for decades. they spy on us, we create secret prison camps.
to say that the idea that our government would do this is absurd is ignorant. Our machine has more to gain from 9/11 than the terrorist would. which is debatable.
but what you will have a hard time debating is steel and concrete falling through itself with the resistance of air
gyco7 1 year ago
@gyco7 Yes, the U.S. committing genocide, removing elected leaders of other countries, etc., are all well documented.
Nixon's Watergate, Oliver North and Iran Contra were a KIND of conspiracy.
I am arguing against the elaborate conspiracies such as 9/11 being an "inside job." There is simply no credible evidence.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
intensely studied? let me tell you where i come from, i dont believe steel and concrete fall through themselves faster than they fall through air.
gyco7 1 year ago
@gyco7 Yes, the most intensely studied building collapse in modern history.
In every video, you can see the falling columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building, but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud -- which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed.
Read some of the engineering SCIENCE on the 911 debunking sites; the collapse is well understood.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest - you "believe" the collapse of those building was "intensely studied", however, no one tested for explosives. i encourage you to read the transcripts of calls from the planes and note several individuals claim that the terrorist on board had "bombs". that said, i've been in construction all my life and i can assure you that localized structural damage from impact and office fires did not cause those 3 buildings to collapse in the manner they did on Sept 11, 2001.
thats my opinion
ALITL8 1 year ago
@ALITL8 There is no evidence of explosives. The supposed finding of thermite is suspect, and not proven.
Re the calls from the planes: in intense, chaotic situations, people frequently misreport things. People may have honestly ASSUMED that they had bombs, but that does not mean they in fact DID. You are not understanding human perception.
As I said, the collapse of the WTC has been intensely studied; the structural failure is well understood. Please do some more research.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest no disrespect but i have a lifetime (30+ yrs) of experience in construction not to mention that prior to pre-employment/random drug screening i was trained, licensed and certified to work in the gas and oil (hazardous materials) industry. maybe you should do a little more research ;o)
ALITL8 1 year ago
@ALITL8 They still did not find any evidence of explosives.
And you did not reply re the other info -- which has nothing to do with construction. You are clearly not very detail oriented. You just pick and choose, which is the mistake conspiracy people make.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest tell me what you "believe" caused those buildings to collapse and how you came to that conclusion and we'll discuss evidence for explosives, the calls from the planes and human perception.
the complete, catastrophic and near perfect symmetric failure of all supporting structure and the near free fall speed collapse is cause enough to have tested for explosives. just because the folks at NIST "say" they didnt have reason to suspect that explosives were used, means nothing! JMO
ALITL8 1 year ago
@gyco7 No response?
StevenErnest 1 year ago
"reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." george washington's farewell address
In God We Trust
confucius say..."If you know whether a people are well governed, and if its laws are good or bad, examine the music it practices."
zmc33 1 year ago
i agree...the world is a confusing mess.....not by chance and not by God...
as for the kaballah thing...anything Madonna takes seriously i must refute. (except for peeing in the shower)
zmc33 1 year ago
@zmc33 Re Kabbalah, I wouldn't form your opinion of a complex philosophical system because of the beliefs of a pop star. The Kabbalah Center that she supports is a watered-down version for the masses. They sell "Kabbalah Water," lmao.
I list the serious books on the subject in the sidebar of that vid.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@zmc33 Vast conspiracies are not running the world, but conflicting belief systems are the cause -- political, economic, and religious beliefs.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
and i wipe my ass with the kaballah
zmc33 1 year ago
@zmc33 Fine for you, but what does Kabbalah -- which I discuss in another vid -- have to do with conspiracy theories?
StevenErnest 1 year ago
i believe the pope when he says we need a new world order....and the entire political world, including anti God commies like fidel castro cry when popes die....
zmc33 1 year ago
@zmc33 The world is so much more complicated and nuanced than that.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
hah, you're pretty clueless man :)
Samuelthemule 1 year ago
You are free to have your own opinion.
Perhaps you can make a vid showing my mistakes...?
Thanks for watching. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
This stupid fag needs a life and a haircut!
m904begley 2 years ago
Aww, did my little video upset you? Poor baby.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
@theawakener7 You're going to have to be more specific. The truth regarding what?
StevenErnest 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Yes, I honestly DO think that. I essentially am an atheist: I do not believe in the supernatural creator god of the three Abrahamic faiths.
If you are implying a contradiction with my Kabbalah video, watch it again: I specifically said I use Kabbalah, and the Tree of Life diagram, as MODELS and METAPHORS.
Does that blow your mind? ; )
You might like my video: The World to Come: StevenVisions #1. Which deals directly with humanity creating a better world.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Um, that is a non sequitur. Kabbalah originated as an esoteric teaching of Judaism, but as you can see in my reading list -- with my Kabbalah vid -- there are many, many books readily available on the subject.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
awesome
patternmachine 2 years ago
@patternmachine Thank you, I appreciate it. ^_^ This vid makes a lot of people mad, so some positive feedback is cool.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
But who is the master who makes the grass green?
hartejoseph 2 years ago
@hartejoseph Exactly. That is the point of the Robert Anton Wilson quote, "We are greater artists than we realize."
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Just follow the money!!!
falana64 2 years ago
Yes, a popular slogan of Conspiracy fans. However, reality is much more complex and nuanced than that.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
As alan moore would say the wowld is wuddaless.
hartejoseph 2 years ago
@hartejoseph Lol, that's a good impression. Yeah, he says those words in the documentary, the Mindscape of Alan Moore.
Although ironically, he uses conspiracies in some of his comics, as in Watchmen, and From Hell.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
LMAO you're kidding right? This 50-year-old nerd (probably paedophile) living in his mom's basement has as much intelligence as a fruitfly.. First of all moron, in some form or another NWO has been mentioned by almost all world leaders, most mainstream media and online newspapers like AP for one.. But let me guess.. still a conspiracy right? Second, its defies all laws of physics for the 2 towers to collapse from a fire of that magnitute, lemme guess thats also crazy talk.. I could go on forever
somedude890 2 years ago
Your first nasty remarks simply display your lack of intelligence, common when "Truthers" have their beliefs challenged.
Of course NWO has been mentioned by many, but that does NOT prove there is a vast conspiracy behind it.
The collapse of the WTC makes perfect sense by the laws of physics. Besides the fire weakening the steal, it had MAJOR physical damage from the jet airliners being flown INTO the buildings. It is the most studied building collapse in history.
Try to deal with reality.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Well for one I dont even know what a "Truther" is.. Arent you contradicting yourself if you admit NWO is openly talked about and still call it a conspiracy? Have you taken any steps to find out what it is? Does it sound like a good idea in your mind? You know losing your constitutional rights and the freedom the founding fathers fought to give you? Can you prove there isnt anything hidden about it? (continued)
somedude890 2 years ago
"Truthers" are what the people who think there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 call themselves.
Just because people TALK about a NWO, doesn't mean a conspiracy behind it actually EXISTS.
The motto on the dollar bill is incorrectly translated as "New World Order," and it is more accurately, "A New Order of the Ages" -- about the Founding Fathers belief in the Age of Enlightenment, science, and rationality being the hallmarks of the new American country.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
@StevenErnest, ok... but if world leaders around the world keep saying stuff like "we feel a new world order is in need" what does that mean to you? Have they said to us what it is and what it does or has it been pretty secret?.. If the founding fathers were here to see the present state of the govenrment they would want to hang everyone for treason against its own people. They fled from a country to flee from a Govenment that we have in place today.. Dependancy not equal freedom.
somedude890 2 years ago
Secondly lets review physics.. Galileos law of falling bodies (which applies here) calculates the time which an object will travel a certain distance in complete free fall. The tower fell in nearly freefall speed which is impossible if it was the jet fuel melting the steel beams. There is no way that the physical damage was so intense from the explosion. What would have happened if a collapse was to occur from the damage is that a section of the building would collapse. (continued)
somedude890 2 years ago
Re the physics of the WTC collapse, there are several wonderful sites, one by Popular Mechanics, with engineers explaining the physics behind it; there is no value in the free-fall theory.
The steel beams were weakened, and the WEIGHT of the floors above could no longer be supported. The FRICTION-ENERGY of the falling material is equvalent to xxx amount of dynamite!
I will let you do your own research on this, but I'm sure you won't bother to. If you say you have, you obviously have not.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
@StevenErnest, LMAO you're kidding right? Thats where you're getting your wisdom from? Popular Mechanics? They wouldnt know science or logic if it hit them in the face.. Not to mention who owns them and their bias'd agenda.. Good luck with that one. Again you're not even reading my response, I said if thats plausable then a section of the building would be the first to collapse not the entire building right away in a straight line.. I've done my research, wish I could say the same about you.
somedude890 2 years ago
If it would all come down it wouldnt have been at the speed it did. By the looks of it youre defining reality in your own ignorant mind.
somedude890 2 years ago
Man there no evidence that the FEDERAL BANK is a private instituut buying up property all over the world???? no fucking evidence so you say that bank is from the Goverment??? There's lack of EVIDENCE becouse THEY HIDE THE TRUTH FROM US, AND THATS WHY THERE'S A CONSPIRICY THEORY u asshole, like i fucking said before GENERALLY spoken that does move people yes your video is not complete bull shit but it comes close becouse you are generalizing every single argument out there as a ridiculous theory
haashond 2 years ago
talk about brainwashed..LOL This guy brain is mush.
Elusive25 2 years ago
I don't get it, are you talking to me about the maker of this video or about mine brain being washed?
haashond 2 years ago
the maker man
Elusive25 2 years ago
either way its not a correct sentence its very unclear and not relating to anything
haashond 2 years ago
you my friend are CNN-brainwashed...Islam was always a religion of peace, until the US tarnished the image of muslims through hollywood. the us sold weapons to al qaeda in the 70's to fight USSR, this is all the US's fault, or rather the Illuminati's fault. the truth is that the US is the real bad guy, i mean look at how many countries they bombed...hiroshima? SHAME ON THEM for killing innocent people! They knew that pearl harbor would happen, but the US loves false flags
BDIGITAL11 2 years ago
@BDIGITAL11
Why don't you ask the Phillipinos and Chinese if they think Pearl Harbor was a "false flag" operation.
In his declaration of war against America, Hitler also ranted that the U.S. had been taken over by Freemasons and Jews and they were conspiring against him and world peace.
It's nice to see you have so much in common with such a great figure in Human History.
flanksteak4 2 years ago
ask yourself what you stand for, good or evil. 'conspiracy people' look for the truth and are fighting the good fight, they dont believe anything they are told like you If there were no secrets then why the hell does the CIA exist. You think everything you read is historical fact, but don't you think they can make you believe anything IF they control the media? All they need is a couple dozens of men to do that. All you gotta do is step back and see how the world is full of shit, then RESEARCH
BDIGITAL11 2 years ago
@BDIGITAL11
We do research, we just have the advantage of being able to analyze information for legitimacy while you generally look for information that is confirmatory of your beliefs.
Your political beliefs have nothing to do with something technical like say, Planes Crashing into buildings and their affect upon those structures.
flanksteak4 2 years ago
yes but then how did i get these beliefs in the first place? i used to be very into politics and i used to believe everything they said on TV and did research using sources i thought were reliable. I'm just saying, people don't go with their gut anymore, they don't look at the big picture and make conclusions, instead they use a microscope and analyse situations using resources they think are reliable.
BDIGITAL11 2 years ago
Great rundown!
Nice Job!
flanksteak4 2 years ago
Thank you, I appreciate the positive feedback.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Yes mass behavior led to all kind of things even secret societies... Make a Video and explain how the American Federal Bank works & the Royal Bloodline reaching to America to every single president please make sense to me...
haashond 2 years ago
The things you are bringing up are nonsense, why don't YOU make a video.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
you have got terrible hair and i think u sound very pleased with yourself when u talk,i dont like
TheNewworldvision 2 years ago
You obviously can only aprehend surface trivialities -- I bet the video challenged your beliefs, which have no basis in reality.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
so wait nasa really didnt go to the moon :34??
najahmcbryde 2 years ago
Of course we went to the Moon... six times! But some conspiracy people actually think it was faked, like in a movie studio.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Lets say we didn't get the Whole story, thats a known fact...
haashond 2 years ago
The "Whole story" regarding...what?
We went to the Moon, six times. An historical fact. Deal with reality.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
You answer me about the Moon??? WTF so i made some questions about important stuff but you just started about something else, you should go into Politics.
haashond 2 years ago
Yes, because your comment is posted in line to my responses to najahmcbryde, who said, "so wait nasa really didnt go to the moon :34??"
And you comment, "Lets say we didn't get the Whole story, thats a known fact..."
So it UNDERSTANDABLY looks like you are talking about the Moon. Hence my response.
I responded to your other comment, that YOU should make the video re the nonsense about Federal banking and Royal bloodlines. I see no evidence for that.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
great job and excellent work
matmohair1 2 years ago
Thank you for the positive feedback, I appreciate it. This vid made a lot of people mad.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
U are such a nerd....shouldnt you know that the law of physics dosent allow the towers to fall in less is was a controlled demolition U SUCK WEIRDO!
Premadonna123 2 years ago
There was nothing in the failure of the WTC towers to withstand the crippling impact of passenger airliners, that in any way contradict the laws of physics.
Your angry and uncivil comment merely illustrates the lack of intelligence of many conspiracy believers.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Steve can you explain tower 7 for all of us conspiracy types. I am very interested in hearing your logical response thanks...
ZakRoloff 2 years ago